April 15, 2014

Study: Immigrants (Both Illegal and Legal) Favor Democrats Over Republicans, 2 to 1
— Ace

So what do you do?

GimpelÂ’s solution to all of this: There is none, at least not anytime soon. Nominating Latino candidates doesnÂ’t seem to help Republicans (Ted Cruz lost the Latino vote in his Senate race two years ago, even in deep-red Texas), nor does taking different positions on illegal immigration. The only thing to do is Â… wait.

...

Wait a generation or two for low-skilled, Democratic-voting immigrants to have kids who grow up to become middle-class independents and then youÂ’ve got a shot. In the meantime, gulp.

There is one possible solution, but it relies entirely upon external events: If something happens to discredit progressivism (such as a new recession) to make immigrant populations actually begin to doubt their preferred big government, big spending solutions, there's hope of a realignment.

But that, of course, is entirely outside our control.* It's basically hoping for a Miracle (though a dark one).

* Except, of course, for our ability to sabotage the economy by speaking badly about it and hoping for Obamacare to fail.

Progressives have long asserted that prayer doesn't work, except in the case of conservative "prayers" for a failing economy and failing Healthcare.gov, in which case "prayer" works wonders and changes the world.


Posted by: Ace at 12:40 PM | Comments (321)
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1 How about No Amnesty?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (IdOTf)

2 Say it with me:


Permanent democrat majority.


Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:41 PM (GQ8sn)

3 There is one possible solution, but it relies entirely upon external events: If something happens to discredit progressivism (such as a new recession) to make immigrant populations actually begin to doubt their preferred big government, big spending solutions, there's hope of a realignment.


The democrats' solution to that is, get this, moar free shit.

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (GQ8sn)

4 You know, all through the last recession (2008 and beyond) I couldn't believe they kept pushing amnesty and more immigration, while the unemployment rates were sky high. But they kept on pushing anyway. Now that the rates are going down, what is the chance that they will stop pushing? None. Hell, even if we have another recession, I don't see how that would stop them for pushing for amnesty and immigration.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (C+qQ0)

5 "You amnesty the shit out of them, that's the solution."



---  The RNC

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (5UteM)

6 Venezuela!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (AWmfW)

7 How about enforcing immigration laws on the books. Also, getting back to promoting assimilation.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (IdOTf)

8 Illegal immigrants insure that legal immigrants are underpaid. Make that case and see what happens. Or just deport the MFers.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 12:43 PM (oDCMR)

9 No amnesty, no immigration. What else is there?

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 12:44 PM (C+qQ0)

10

The only thing to do is Â… wait.

 

Well, yeah.  Wait and persuade.  Assimilate the immigrants.  Our belief in free markets is a successful cultural artifact.  When immigrants become truly American they will be able to think in American terms and be persuaded by experience and culture that economic freedom works better for them as it does for everyone.

 

Pandering is useless, misguided and wrong.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 12:44 PM (JtwS4)

11 Voting Dem; it's An Act Of Love.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (wNF3N)

12 This topic hits close to home with me and depresses the shit out of me. 

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (GQ8sn)

13 The solution in Texas involves alligators.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (5UteM)

14 Yeah, it's hoping for a miracle. Tightenting up immigration policy can help. If you examine other country's policies, it is really hard to get into the country unless you bring value. Degrees/experience needed, hard to fill jobs, etc. And, it's not cheap in other countries to apply. They filter in what they need.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ARS 1 - WHU 1 at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (IXrOn)

15
Well, yeah. Wait and persuade. Assimilate the immigrants.
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Oh, we've got that covered all right.

Posted by: The NEA and the Infotainment Complex at April 15, 2014 12:46 PM (78TbK)

16 It's a miracle A true blue spectacle A miracle come true We're together ,baby-I was goin' crazy 'till the miracle Came through Now you here,and my arms are around you And baby, there'll be Dancin in the streets For the miracle A true blue spectacle The miracle is you

Posted by: Barry Manilow (son of immigrants) at April 15, 2014 12:46 PM (8MjqI)

17 A new recession only means you need even bigger government. Those rich white gringos are still rich.

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2014 12:46 PM (iEoiA)

18 That figure is more like 3:1. Comprehensive immigration reform makes no sense economically, culturally or politically for the US and specifically the GOP. Why would a political party intentionally dilute its power and constituancy?

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 12:46 PM (gvWL9)

19 Natural serfs.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (AWmfW)

20 The Mexicannon, Fire it or Ride it.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (DL2i+)

21 It might be worth a shot to try Mark Levin's suggestion from a while back, and try to counter the immigration from authoritarian societies with more from the victims of Communism (Czech Republic, Ukraine, etc) who won't be so quick to buy the left's bullshit.

Posted by: I Aim to Misbehave at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (lsTVn)

22 >>If you examine other country's policies, it is really hard to get into the country unless you bring value. The UK's Labor party purposely expanded immigration to dilute conservatives. Look where that's gotten them.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (IdOTf)

23 Viva la Democrat!

Posted by: Ejército de mierda gratis at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (QM5S2)

24 how about we kick "Let It Burn" up a notch to "Thelma & Louise"?

vote for and vocally support the most outrageous leftard demonrat candidates that run in your area (unless it's solid red, of course)

those of us in shitholes like Failifornia should hold the pedal to the floor and the wheel to the cliff, just in case the assholes who put us on this path s*ber up at the last moment.

only a catastrophic failure has a hope of penetrating the st00pid of a LIV, so we have to help by making sure they get *exactly* what they say they want.

Posted by: hammer down at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (q+fqH)

25 17 A new recession only means you need even bigger government. Those rich white gringos are still rich.

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (iEoiA)


New? What's wrong with the current one?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (AWmfW)

26 What do you do? You try to win them over like you do any other voter. Convince them of your argument. Reach out to them. Make your case. But you don't have to actually "do" anything. "Something must be done" should actually never be a reason for doing something.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

27 I'm not feeling the love in this post.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (8ZskC)

28 The will be no Democrat recession in the future, only fudged numbers.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (5UteM)

29 Illegal immigrants insure that legal immigrants are underpaid. Make that case and see what happens. Or just deport the MFers.
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Come out with draconian penalties for those that hire illegals.

Call it something like the "employee protection act of 2014" and have a penalty of $1M for anyone that hires an illegal.

When the Democrats/media demagogue you claim that you are just trying to stop the rich from exploiting the poor and let the left try and spin that...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (78TbK)

30 We'll make it up on volume, my friendsh.

Posted by: John McCain at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (2OaXr)

31 The Democrat strategy is to buy votes with entitlements. Unless we can address that problem we lose.

Posted by: MTF at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (F58x4)

32 The UK's Labor party purposely expanded immigration to dilute conservatives. Look where that's gotten them. Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (IdOTf) _________ It got them a country that is essentially full blown socialist. The party may not win every election, but they got what they wanted in the long run. Democrats will too. Republicans will still eek out an election here and there. But the country will forever be changed into a progressive country.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

33 But people are in the shadows, people!

Posted by: Your Betters in the GOP at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (8ZskC)

34 OT. It is snowing in w. NC The Azaleas are about to get smacked.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (aDwsi)

35 THERE will be no Democrat recession in the future, only fudged numbers.


Fixed.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (5UteM)

36 What should we do? Let it burn, I guess. Defending the American "Way of Life" is just racism, these days. Look, the rest of the world is pretty okay with Fascism, and it isn't like we are exceptional or anything. We should just go along with it.

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (4+AaH)

37 those of us in shitholes like Failifornia should hold the pedal to the floor and the wheel to the cliff, just in case the assholes who put us on this path s*ber up at the last moment.

only a catastrophic failure has a hope of penetrating the st00pid of a LIV, so we have to help by making sure they get *exactly* what they say they want.

Posted by: hammer down at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (q+fqH)



The problem is that failure doesn't teach any lessons to them, except that evil Republicans and conservatives got in the way and caused all of that.  Nothing I've seen makes me believe they are capable of stringing together cause and effect.

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (GQ8sn)

38 Natural serfs.
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Welcome to the real new world order. You may kiss my ring.

Posted by: King Baracka I at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (78TbK)

39 @27 What goes for McConnel goes doubly for Jeb. You never trust a man with no neck!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (gvWL9)

40 28 The will be no Democrat recession in the future, only fudged numbers.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 04:48 PM (5UteM)

It's like Orwell had a hunch about what was coming.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (AWmfW)

41 You just need to get the right person in place who can drive conservatism without it being labeled as such. A leader who leads, and makes America shine.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ARS 1 - WHU 1 at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (IXrOn)

42 The solution in Texas involves alligators. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2014 04:45 PM (5UteM) Newsletter, por favor.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (Xed9r)

43 So what do you do? If you're Prog/Com, you push for more immigrants. Just as England did. Their government saw the writing on the wall, that immigrants were much more accommodating to their radical, far-left rule than the backwards natives. So they imported a new constituency.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (0HooB)

44 Of course they do. Think about where they came from and where they are. They come from countries that are either quasi-fascist or want them to be so they can be taken care of by the government. They come here looking for better and how do they think that can happen? Not by the so called freedoms we charish but by uncle sugar giving them stuff to survive. It's in their mindset...not all of course but I think a majority of them. Especially if they are here illegally. They want to be taken care of.

Posted by: bosk at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (n2K+4)

45 21 It might be worth a shot to try Mark Levin's suggestion from a while back, and try to counter the immigration from authoritarian societies with more from the victims of Communism (Czech Republic, Ukraine, etc) who won't be so quick to buy the left's bullshit. Posted by: I Aim to Misbehave at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (lsTVn) _________ That would work. But good luck ever making that happen. I can see the headlines now: "RACIST REPUBLICANS PROPOSE WHITE EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION OVER DIVERSE IMMIGRATION"

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

46 OT. It is snowing in w. NC
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GLOBAL WARMINING!!!!!

Posted by: Al Gore at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (78TbK)

47 Nothing I've seen makes me believe they are capable of stringing together cause and effect. A stupid electorate is a manageable electorate.

Posted by: Your Betters in the GOP at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (8ZskC)

48 Wow. Makes me feel even better about the big check I scratched out to the US Treasury Department today. But I'm a 5%er, so fuck me, right?

Posted by: jakeman at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (vH4YP)

49 What goes for McConnel goes doubly for Jeb.

You never trust a man with no neck fat!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (gvWL9)



Fixed.

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (GQ8sn)

50 How about a radical new plan?

How about for every new immigrant we export the worst Americans?  We could start with this guy:

"Another Biden Gaffe: Tells Boston Bombing Survivors “It Was Worth It”…"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (8MBOc)

51 2 to 1 - that's all? I would've thought it was worse than that. How was the ratio of immigrants voting against Cruz? Anybody know?

Posted by: shredded chi at April 15, 2014 12:52 PM (Zkic6)

52 My sollution is to just demonize the heck out of the Democrat party.  If we can't have thier votes, the democrats don't wont get their votes either.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2014 12:52 PM (UypUQ)

53 In that case I say we don't give an inch on amnesty. Since the entire premise (that it'll basically buy off the immigrants) is false, no reason to even travel down that road.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:52 PM (HDwDg)

54 Donde es las senoritas blanca?

Posted by: Ejército de mierda gratis at April 15, 2014 12:52 PM (QM5S2)

55 "There is one possible solution, but it relies entirely upon external events: If something happens to discredit progressivism (such as a new recession) to make immigrant populations actually begin to doubt their preferred big government, big spending solutions, there's hope of a realignment." WTF! This has happened already (TARP, Obama Care, Community Reinvestment Act-dependent housing crash, etc.) and NOTHING has changed attitude wise among the people you're referring to. And nothing will, because for the most part, they have NOTHING invested in the economy! They largely don't pay income taxes, don't own a home, are not part of the investor class and are transient in nature. They have no skin in the game so they don't give a damn!

Posted by: WVinMN at April 15, 2014 12:52 PM (4Pleu)

56 EC, #37: "The problem is that failure doesn't teach any lessons to themÂ…." Exactly. Whenever I'm tempted to say, "The worse, the better," I remember that California, Illinois and Detroit haven't gotten any less Democratic lately.

Posted by: JPS at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (A/rAc)

57 the solution is to STOP IMMIGRATION


was that really so hard?

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( landing a 777 in his vag) at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (JyjXt)

58 I have a novel idea, how 'bout we replace Congress with peeps who will fight for fiscal conservative values and an actual open marketplace In this way, we can ensure economic growth and prosperity inducing the happy native populace to reproduce It's so crazy it just might work

Posted by: ginaswo at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (VGpgb)

59 If something happens to discredit progressivism (such as a new recession) If it has never worked before, it's not going to work now.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (FcR7P)

60  Even with a "new recession," the fact that they will support Dems 2 to 1 will not change.  How could it?  Where, exactly, are the majority of immigrants going to go to get this small government message...this radical and new way of looking at the relationship between individuals and the gov't?  In the public schools?  No.  On 90% of network news?  No.  Entertainment?  No.  If they don't frequent conservative blogs, listen to conservative radio and/or watch Fox News (all of which are constantly pilloried, vilified, marginalized and maligned), they'll never be exposed to an entirely different way of thinking.  And that's what is needed.  Exposing them to an entirely different way of thinking. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (tsGZY)

61 Exactly. Whenever I'm tempted to say, "The worse, the better," I remember that California, Illinois and Detroit haven't gotten any less Democratic lately.


And thus the rest of the US.


Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (GQ8sn)

62 Study: Immigrants (Both Illegal and Legal) Favor Democrats Over Republicans, 2 to 1 So what do you do? Deportation. Can't hurt. We're already losing 2 to 1.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (CRyse)

63 Ha ha. Ace said new immigrants to doubt big government. It will never happen. Cali puts us 20%down at the start. Neo collectivism is here to stay.

Posted by: redenzo at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (WCnJW)

64

But, but...Hairy Reed said that 'No one should break the law and just walk away'.

 

That means Illegals too, right?

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (FWbLS)

65 Illegal immigrants insure that legal immigrants are underpaid. Make that case and see what happens.

The college-educated legal immigrants I have to listen to at work every day won't care.  They want more eco-fascism and more universal free shit...basically, be more like the (ethnically homogenous, cough) socialist holes they left behind.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (ZKzrr)

66 that which does not kill a country makes it weaker



Posted by: Freddy Nietzsche ( appearing as Abdullah Abdullah at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (JyjXt)

67 "Wait a generation or two for low-skilled, Democratic-voting immigrants to have kids who grow up to become middle-class independents" With progressives in charge? More like the middle class moving on down the ladder.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (6ahup)

68
Common Core 2028 - US History

1) Use the number line to show how the GOP's embrace of amnesty doomed the party to never winning the Presidency or control of Congress again.  Then, write a letter to a voter in 2014 telling them why they should bother to pull the lever for the Republicans.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (kdS6q)

69 The problem is that failure doesn't teach any lessons to them, except that evil Republicans and conservatives got in the way and caused all of that. Nothing I've seen makes me believe they are capable of stringing together cause and effect. Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (GQ8sn) Sorta like Muslims that way, aren't they? The Jews are sons of apes and pigsÂ….yet somehow capable of outwitting the sons of Mahomet at every turn.

Posted by: The Oracle [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (yz6yg)

70

You never trust a man with no neck!

 

Get off my lawn.

Posted by: The Narrator from Rocky Horror at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (JtwS4)

71 The only oppose us 2-1? If we amnesty all of them that's 10M more Republican votes!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (78TbK)

72 You know, there is another way the GOP could make inroads. They could have actual working people who have been screwed by US socialism and other working people who have gained by being non-union or independent or by having govt regs removed.

Just a thought.

They would have to associate with us proles, but it might just work.

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (ZWaLo)

73 Once they get here, they vote for the same failed policies they fled from. Much as Dems and liberals flee from Cali and vote blue in CO and ruin it and other states where the roam to. They never learn. That's kinda why they are proggies to begin with...

Posted by: Mehow at April 15, 2014 12:56 PM (EKrcs)

74 With progressives in charge? More like the middle class moving on down the ladder.
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Middle class? Where we are going we won't need a middle class.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 15, 2014 12:56 PM (78TbK)

75 This is all basically the fault of GOP primary voters.  They could have demanded that GOP candidates support lower legal immigration levels. 

Every single likely GOP candidate for 2016, even Cruz, actually supports *increasing* legal immigration, which is batshit crazy.  But since GOP voters don't punish them for it, why shouldn't they take the checks from the corporate donors who want to keep driving down wages by importing the Third World? 

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (DPMu1)

76 Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (ZKzrr Word. I used to work with a bunch of PhD educated people from the former soviet black (Georgia maybe? I forget which country.) They were crazy leftists. I'm sure if I had posited the contradiction they'd have insisted it'll work here (which makes even less sense.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (HDwDg)

77 Nation of wheelsuckers

Posted by: redenzo at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (WCnJW)

78 What do you do? You stop trying to win by Rove rules, and start offering a real alternative instead a succession of BoenerCantorRyan-bots. You convert people like Reagan did. (and Paul is trying to do) You stop being afraid of offending people and start telling the truth. We have the winning arguments. We are pro freedom, they are not. That is a very attractive message to democrats and young people alike. The do gooders are also about to get hit square in the face with the price of their noble intentions. (in the form of their now insanely expensive healthcare costs) You don't think thats going to change some minds over night? We can't win by the old rules. We have to win by creating a new base of voters. The old paradigm is over, just like network news and video stores. When it crumbles, it will do so quickly. It's coming.

Posted by: AtlasMugged at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (6MwxO)

79

Or you could actually try to reach those groups with a message of liberty, prosperity, Christianity, and community...

Also would hurt to run some spanish lingo ads detailing what dirtbags the local Democrats are.

Posted by: Sam In VA at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (Q52VH)

80 34 OT. It is snowing in w. NC  The Azaleas are about to get smacked. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 04:49 PM (aDwsi) ------ Global warming absolutely murdered my two little gardenia bushes this winter. I'm hoping I can save them.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (Zkic6)

81 Yeah, and it doesn't help that Republicans are so far out of touch with the average Joe and Jane.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 12:57 PM (o3NFc)

82 The UK's Labor party purposely expanded immigration to dilute conservatives. Look where that's gotten them. Posted by: Lizzy And look at what passes for the Tory Party in the UK. This is the Overton Window, working in favor of the Left. This is the inexorable conversion of America to a permanent Leftist nation, with all kinds of helpful government enforced collectivism. Less freedom, less liberty, fewer rights but "more equality", as determined by the rule makers. Good for the rule makers, not so good for citizens who actually prize their rights as citizens. The whole notion of "citizen" and "individual rights" is being diluted in a very calculated way. Expect a miracle. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (RFeQD)

83 Much as Dems and liberals flee from Cali and vote blue in CO and ruin it and other states where the roam to.


Posted by: Mehow at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (EKrcs)


And they are the descendants of libs that fled the Northeast for Cali and ruined it a generation (or two) ago.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (sBXOp)

84 Wait a generation or two for low-skilled, Democratic-voting immigrants to have kids who grow up to become middle-class independents and then youÂ’ve got a shot. If this were true, Venezuela would never happen.

Posted by: The Smith Family, Northern Clan at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (k2hIV)

85 Simple solution:  Photo I.D. and proof of citizenship.
 

Posted by: JimCT at April 15, 2014 12:59 PM (y7UJ1)

86 Once they get here, they vote for the same failed policies they fled from.
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If there is no negative feedback for making bad choices, people are unlikely to change their decision process.

And the entire media-government complex is currently focused on hiding the impact of the various bad decisions that the LIVs have empowered them to make.

Of course the problem is that if we rip off the bandaid the media-government complex will blame us...likely successfully.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:59 PM (78TbK)

87 A great depression won't make immigrants love the Right. It will make them *blame* the Right. It might make some flee back home but more are likely to take up arms.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 15, 2014 12:59 PM (6mYGI)

88 Sorry, but this is the fault of Republicans. They stopped advancing and advocating for conservatism a long time ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 12:59 PM (o3NFc)

89 Word.

I used to work with a bunch of PhD educated people from the former soviet black (Georgia maybe? I forget which country.)

They were crazy leftists. I'm sure if I had posited the contradiction they'd have insisted it'll work here (which makes even less sense.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (HDwDg)



To them, the US is the holy grail of prizes.  Their end goal is to turn the US' economic power toward total socialism.  No other country has our wealth or assets.  That's why they try so hard. 

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 01:00 PM (GQ8sn)

90 You could deport anyone here illegally and and take someone off the waiting list. One for one. Why in the world do we want to reward law-breaking?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 15, 2014 01:00 PM (6ahup)

91 Still waiting for a cognizable explanation as to why it is that the current laws that are on the books, you know, the ones we were told had to be passed as an acceptable compromise, are suddenly now unenforceable and racist.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 01:00 PM (Xed9r)

92 Saw a great movie this morning on how immigrants used to see the melting pot and assimiltion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048312/

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (TI3xG)

93 89
Sorry, but this is the fault of Republicans. They stopped advancing and advocating for conservatism a long time ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 04:59 PM (o3NFc)

Part of the club.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (AWmfW)

94

Once upon a time the melting  pot worked because the noobs knew  they had to bend  to the predominate culture if they wanted to thrive.

 

Now  there is no predominate culture, or at least not one that anyone is required  to see as worth aspiring to. 

 

As we blend downward, the American experiment disappears into meaninglessness. 

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (TOk1P)

95 Yeah, and it doesn't help that Republicans are so far out of touch with the average Joe and Jane.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (78TbK)

96 No straight ticket voting. You never even know anymore (unless you are really paying attention) who is really a D or an R, or an I, or a C, etc. Fake Dems running as Tea Party candidates. Fake Dems running as Conservatives. Fake GOP running as Dem. All trying to split the votes and grab the majorities. For state and city officials, it can be a headache trying to sort through them all. It is getting so dirty. Unless I'm just waking up to it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ARS 1 - WHU 1 at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (IXrOn)

97

"Big Government is grand, if you don't feel it's hand."

 

Greg Gutfeld just said this on The Five.

Heh.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 01:01 PM (FWbLS)

98 The US is pretty much the only non-socialist country in the world. There are 7 billion people on earth. 6.7B live in socialist, fasicst or communist countries. 300M live in the US. Of those 300M, 100M are die hard communists as well. So you have 6.8B vs 0.2B. No matter how you slice it, we lose in the long run.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

99

It will never happen.  Immigrants now come to our Country not because its the land of opportunity but because its the land of entitlements  when opportunity does not pan out.    

Instead of  them  being forced  to assimilate ,  we are forced to accomodate. 

 

Until entitlements are reduced and assimilation is required to survive,  immigrants will remain  2 to 1  Democrat.   

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:02 PM (m2CN7)

100 The idea that you are going to reason with an illiterate Mexican is insane. We are talking peasants with 3rd grade educations and you are going to engage them in history, economics and philosophy while Community Organizers are offering three hots and a cot? Insane. Deport illegals and fine Americans employing them harshly. If the progs whine, kick them in jewels with IRS audits, visits from the FBI, and mau-mau them daily. Basically, go full comando Obama. If they claim sanctuary city status, then audit every damned Federal welfare payment, cut off all Fed funding to their police and schools and then praise them for their support of State's Rights.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 01:02 PM (oDCMR)

101 The people who should be front and center in opposing amnesty is the Congressional Black Caucus. Their constituency is among those hardest hit by the influx of illegal labor that drives down wages at the low end. But it means they'd have to allow a division with the rest of the leftist horde.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 01:03 PM (bPxS6)

102 Once upon a time the melting pot worked because the noobs knew they had to bend to the predominate culture if they wanted to thrive. Now there is no predominate culture, or at least not one that anyone is required to see as worth aspiring to. As we blend downward, the American experiment disappears into meaninglessness. Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (TOk1P) Melting pot vs Mosaic When you can't even make one language the law, it will go south.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ARS 1 - WHU 1 at April 15, 2014 01:03 PM (IXrOn)

103 "Call it something like the "employee protection act of 2014" and have a penalty of $1M for anyone that hires an illegal. " true story. I have a hard line leftist acquaintance who left her native western EU country for LA, CA. She started out as a waiter in a bar speaking broken English while her boyfriend was a cook in some restaurant. They simply came with a tourist visa and overstayed. She was serving tables in this bar in the open even tho she was not hired legally, paid under the table, no insurance and all of that. Same for her boyfriend. I cannot believe for the life of me how she was never caught or her employer fined. However nowadays I lost all contacts with her because I could not stand her hardline leftist ideas, I saw on her FB profile she does not work any longer at the bar but she is in some office in the private sector. Don't know if she managed to get sponsorship from her new employer or still works illegally, after all she is not a neurosurgeon or some highly skilled graduated person. Sorry for you guys, legal or illegal she is going to vote Obama no matter what. For the record, I have lived in 4 different EU countries and I never heard someone doing a legitimate job illegally, unless you are a masseuse and work underground or other low low skilled jobs. The fines are terrible and god knows what happens if you get hurt and it turns out you are not working with the right papers. But she managed to do it.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 15, 2014 01:03 PM (rnV3B)

104 You know, there is another way the GOP could make inroads. They could have actual working people who have been screwed by US socialism and other working people who have gained by being non-union or independent or by having govt regs removed. Just a thought. That's a good idea, to inject a bit of reality into the political scene. It'd be nice if a few Pubbies would cite actual unemployment numbers, real inflation (especially foodstuffs), and point towards a gas price sign occasionally. I can't remember any governmental regulations being removed, tho'.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:04 PM (0HooB)

105 or slow down # of immigrants.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 15, 2014 01:04 PM (DTVYh)

106 After the Burning Times, the survivors will all be, for better or worse, Americans.  Worrying about how immigrants will vote is like worrying about the paint job on a lifeboat on the Titanic.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 15, 2014 01:04 PM (sB09V)

107 The Democrats are always going to win these sorts of contests, because it's a matter of giving out free shit to get votes, and the Democrats are always willing to give out more free shit than the Republicans.

So... we're boned.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 15, 2014 01:04 PM (I8YZX)

108 "See you on the other side, Ray." "Nice working with you, Dr. Venkman."

Posted by: Good Lt at April 15, 2014 01:05 PM (0xh/L)

109 Sorry, but this is the fault of Republicans. They stopped advancing and advocating for conservatism a long time ago. ----- Agreed. Both parties are guilty of cronyism, but it only attaches to the GOP. The GOP should abandon because it is right and just and because it may allow them to tap into voters who want to think a party is looking out for them.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:05 PM (gmeXX)

110 I think I've seen this described elsewhere....oh! that's right! It was "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

Posted by: the Butcher at April 15, 2014 01:05 PM (++HCY)

111 I don't even know if the Republican party is salvageable. If turnout is high, the Republicans will interpret their wins as approval to their compromising bullshit and can-kicking spending. If turnout is low, Republicans will believe they weren't moderate enough and need to be even more like the Democrats, socially and fiscally.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:05 PM (o3NFc)

112 Thunderdome! Two immigrants enter, one citizen leaves.

Posted by: Aunty Entity at April 15, 2014 01:06 PM (6ahup)

113 Yeah, and it doesn't help that Republicans are so far out of touch with the average Joe and Jane.

___
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (78TbK)

 

You mean Mitt Romney who counseled average Joe and Jane on a daily basis as stake president.

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:06 PM (m2CN7)

114
Democrats need 27 House Republican signatures to force vote on comprehensive immigration reform bill http://wapo.st/1n97duG  #CIR



Got a pen?

Posted by: 27 House Republicans


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 15, 2014 01:06 PM (kdS6q)

115 I'd love to make a commercial where a woman from one of those latin american hellholes talks about growing up under an oppressive communist regime and then says, "When I watch this administration pit groups against each other and use the government against its political opponents, it's like I'm back in my birth country all over again."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 01:06 PM (tIvOy)

116 LBJ and Ted Kennedy were definitely playing the long game. To be fair, didn't the immigrant wave of the 1900s to the early 1920s favor the Left?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (Ec6wH)

117 The social welfare administrative state running out of money and the ability to borrow money and hence it's a ability to redistribute "justice" to all the various Democrat party client groups isn't going to require a miracle - it's simple mathematics. But maybe the world will move to Common Core mathematics and we can borrow forever with no inflation?

Posted by: gwelf at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (nyxv/)

118 108 The Democrats are always going to win these sorts of contests, because it's a matter of giving out free shit to get votes, and the Democrats are always willing to give out more free shit than the Republicans.

So... we're boned.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (I8YZX)


Like Obamacare it's not about giving away free shit , it's about promising it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (AWmfW)

119 93 Saw a great movie this morning on how immigrants used to see the melting pot and assimiltion. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048312/ Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (TI3xG) ***** The Long Gray Line...sounds like a great movie.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (C+qQ0)

120 Their constituency is among those hardest hit by the influx of illegal labor that drives down wages at the low end. But it means they'd have to allow a division with the rest of the leftist horde. Posted by: Epobirs utterly counter to the narrative. Why do you think that EVERY DAY some mouthpiece on the Left constantly harps on Republicans being 'racist' , no matter what. It's not overdrawing the race card, or meant to persuade any hard-headed white American, but to keep every African-American in line, and voting Democrat. Get out of line, and they come down on you hard. Soviet style.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (RFeQD)

121

"Let's make sure history never forgets the name -- Enterprise."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (kdS6q)

122 What we need is a constitutional amendment that will allow legal immigration levels to be determined by popular referendum.   

Unfortunately that will never happen, but hopefully after the USA splits up along red/blue lines, the new red state nation will put something like that in their constitution, so the elites electing a new people doesn't just happen all over again.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (DPMu1)

123 The social welfare administrative state running out of money and the ability to borrow money and hence it's a ability to redistribute "justice" to all the various Democrat party client groups isn't going to require a miracle - it's simple mathematics. Posted by: gwelf at April 15, 2014 05:07 PM (nyxv/) Just wait until I popÂ….then you'll see. Soon. Real soon.

Posted by: The Chinese Real Estate Bubble [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (yz6yg)

124 wait you mean you take people from heavily taxed shit holes and they come here and you do not insist they assimilate and they recreate the heavily taxed shitholes they left? the deuce you say!!

Posted by: thunderb at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (zOTsN)

125 We have 30 Million LEGAL immigrants over the last 30 years.. That 10% of the population who did not grow up here... You just cannot assimilate that many people, on top of the Illegals.... which is at LEAST another 5%... if not 10% more... Note... the last folks who had this bad of immigration Policies... were the American Indians...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (84gbM)

126 Sean Trende has already written a piece that shows that the math in the Politico article is wishful thinking for the Dems.  Based on historical data on immigrant voting patterns, the Dems might net 20% of what the Politico article is claiming and most of that in states that are won overwhelmingly by one side or the other already.  Adding more Dem votes in California or New Jersey ain't no real big deal. 

I'm of the opinion that the Dems would rather have the issue of conservatives being able to be portrayed as assholes about Mexicans to sway mush-minded middle-of-the-road white voters, rather than actually pass immigration reform and net a few more Latino votes in states they already were going to win anyway, and have the Republicans peel off the aforementioned white voters by not being seen as "mean" about Mexicans.

But, do let's all play to stereotype and bite on the Politico article as evidence that the RINOs are all going to "sell us out."

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (uUI8H)

127 California is a good barometer. Canada is as well. Up until the mid 60s, Canada was essentially the US, with more hockey and moose. Politically it was a very conservative country. Low taxes, private health care, anyone could own a gun, etc. Then something happened in the 1960s. After 100 years of immigration almost exclusively from the British Isles and Western Europe, immigration laws were changed to actively discourage immigration from those areas and encourage immigration from Asia, Southern/Eastern Europe and Africa. And by the late 70s/early 80s, Canada had govt run health care, an effective ban on guns, some of the highest taxes in the world. It took less than 20 years to completely change teh country and it was 100% due to immigration...LEGAL immigration.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx)

128 I read the book that Roy P. Benevidez wrote. It was great. A 1980's version of The Long Gray Line. http://www.amazon.com/The-Three-Wars-Roy-Benavidez/dp/0931722586

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 01:09 PM (C+qQ0)

129 @112 The GOP cannot be saved. We have been beating back this crap since 2004! That's 10 goddamned years we have been telling the GOP we don't want this crap and still they persist. GOP is just an alternate spelling of DNC!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 01:09 PM (ZSnCv)

130 utterly counter to the narrative. Why do you think that EVERY DAY some mouthpiece on the Left constantly harps on Republicans being 'racist' , no matter what. It's not overdrawing the race card, or meant to persuade any hard-headed white American, but to keep every African-American in line, and voting Democrat. Get out of line, and they come down on you hard.

Soviet style.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 15, 2014 05:07 PM (RFeQD)


But why doesn't GOP try to fight it, Reagan style?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 01:10 PM (AWmfW)

131 Re: 101 We are talking Millennials with Grad-level educations and you are going to engage them in history, economics and philosophy while Community Organizers are offering three hots and a cot?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 01:10 PM (Ec6wH)

132 Ah, immigrants.  Mi compadres.  Come to Padre Biden.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 15, 2014 01:10 PM (xvtYZ)

133 Sorry, but this is the fault of Republicans. They stopped advancing and advocating for conservatism a long time ago. I wonder what would've happened if "sanctuary cities" had been outlawed. Or at least lost all that sweet federal money. I know that's just one method of destroying the country and Progressives of both parties have been eroding the foundation of America for nearly one hundred years, but still, I wonder.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:10 PM (0HooB)

134 Adding more Dem votes in California or New Jersey ain't no real big deal. ___________ That's true at the presidential level. Absolutely false at the congressional level. There are still 25 or so GOP members of congress from CA. Add another 1 or 2 million immigrants and that 25 shrinks to 10.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (0LHZx)

135 Seeing as we're presently IN a recession and have been for years, and nobody seems to blame the present government for it, I can't see how a "new" one would change matters any.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (zfY+H)

136 There is an alternative(longshot) to amnesty loving Boehner. His name is Winteregg. Rush was talking about this web commercial today- "Electile Dysfunction" It's reasonably funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A8kq85Umco

Posted by: naturalfake at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (0cMkb)

137 I wondered if the amnesty issue was the reason for the nearly wholesale rush to the Democratic Party; and if it wasn't there, would hispanics (who always strike me as natural conservatives on many issues) who walk away to join conservatives. But perhaps that is wishful thinking. The Democrats are training many families among the immigrant population to live off the dole; which is how they trained and transformed the nature of many african-american families decades ago. That process removed dignity and motivation from the latter who lived in poverty, and would repeat the same destructive patterns among many immigrants. It's basic human nature for any of us; that when the need to succeed is removed without consequences; then we adapt to poverty and and lack of motivation.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (s0aOC)

138 We are talking Millennials with Grad-level educations and you are going to engage them in history, economics and philosophy while Community Organizers are offering three hots and a cot? Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (Ec6wH) Grad students and illiterate peasants. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (yz6yg)

139

But, but...Hairy Reed said that 'No one should break the law and just walk away'.

 

That means Illegals too, right?

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (FWbLS)

 

When I said "break the law", I meant "defy me, my family, and Hugh Gubmint, but mostly me and mine."

Posted by: Dingy Harry Goat-Fucker at April 15, 2014 01:12 PM (o44nj)

140 But why doesn't GOP try to fight it, Reagan style?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (AWmfW)


Don't get invited to cocktail parties that way.

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at April 15, 2014 01:12 PM (M+evy)

141 Grad students and illiterate peasants. One group will roof your home. One group will occupy your basement.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 01:12 PM (Ec6wH)

142 All we need is a law that says if you came here illegally, you can never vote. The dems would then abandon amnesty. (Or ignore the law)

Posted by: Tutu at April 15, 2014 01:12 PM (WLpAT)

143 Waiting. It worked in Greece. And France. And Spain.

Posted by: OCBill at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (rFipM)

144 Close the borders, but that will never happen.

Posted by: Dan at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (COpZ4)

145 Or at least lost all that sweet federal money. That's what I would've done if I were president -- hold back federal $$ to cities and states that aided and abetted illegals.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (o3NFc)

146 Hey we just passed 17 and a half trillion not too long ago.

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (q177U)

147 But why doesn't GOP try to fight it, Reagan style?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (AWmfW)

 

Reagan style included signing an amnesty bill.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (m2CN7)

148 Maybe close the gates before we're outnumbered?

Posted by: whyme at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (l9mF2)

149 The UK's Labor party purposely expanded immigration to dilute conservatives. Look where that's gotten them. Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (IdOTf) I hope it get's them killed before it's all over.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:13 PM (bb5+k)

150

America has used up all its miracles. We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the best you can be. Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done.

Posted by: Warden at April 15, 2014 01:14 PM (HzhBE)

151

Only one solution and that solution is basicly waiting and hoping for the best???

How about making an end to immigration, legal and illegal alike? This isnt the 19th century, we dont need hordes of people to fill up empty space in a continental-sized Republic. Our immigration debate suffers severely because people on our side keep babbling about the things the cant be done (like deporting illegals). I wish somebody like Ted Cruz would tell the middle position to go f*** itself and take a chance with a radically different stand; one that could actually change the debate.

Posted by: Crimson Widow at April 15, 2014 01:14 PM (uVWEp)

152 The real problem is democracy itself. It is unsustainable as a form of government. Voting must become an earned privilege, not a right. As long as we have a universal franchise, we are doomed. Simple as that, and there is no escaping it.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (zoehZ)

153
The problem with waiting is that while we wait, another, even larger wave of illegal immigrants will have arrived, demanding amnesty.

Why not cut to the chase and give US citizenship to every citizen of Mexico? If we're going to commit national suicide, might as well do it once and for all, rather than piecemeal.

Posted by: Brown Line at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (WN9m7)

154 Why doesn't the GOP fight it? Well, first we need to decide if the GOP is either just afraid of the Democrats or if they are simply on the same side as the Democrats on these key issues.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (o3NFc)

155 147
Or at least lost all that sweet federal money.


That's what I would've done if I were president -- hold back federal $$ to cities and states that aided and abetted illegals.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (o3NFc)


If somebody with some clanking balls were elected...could they still do that?  King Fail does what he wants with EO's...so why not?

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (M+evy)

156 America has used up all its miracles. We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the best you can be. Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done. ---- That's the pessimism to expect on this board. But I don't agree with it. I still believe are best days are ahead. Now they may be way ahead, but still ahead.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (gmeXX)

157 @136  The same thing about states is true for most CDs, though.  The immigrants are going to move to neighborhoods that contain like folks.  There isn't going to be a rush of Mexicans living in areas that are not already populated with Mexicans.  So, a few CDs get more Dem than they already are.  Immigrants move to immigrant-heavy neighborhoods, particularly if they don't know the language and need job connections.

That's been the case throughout American history and it is the case today. 


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (uUI8H)

158 I believe immigrants stopped becoming conservatives when "we" decided assimilation was racist

Posted by: thunderb at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (zOTsN)

159 Horchata Futures are UP!

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (uLFS9)

160 If I showed up as an immigrant in a new country and was told I had the choice between two political parties, I'd ask what the pros and cons of each one were from my perspective.

So what I'd be told as a newly arrived Hispanic immigrant in the USA would be that there are Party D and Party R.

Party D says they'll give me all kinds of cool free shit just for asking. Because of my ethnic background, Party D will jump me to the head of the queue for government jobs, private sector jobs, promotions, and university applications. Party D impose quotas to ensure that people like me get our "fair share". Plus, Party D will excuse any bad behavior or poor life choices that I make, because I'm an "underprivileged minority".

Meanwhile, Party R expect me to work for a living and to be treated exactly the same as everyone else, with no excuses and no preferential ethnic treatment.

So I don't know about you, but me? I would pull the lever for Party D until my damn arm fell off. Just as a matter of rude realistic self-aggrandizing human behavior.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (noWW6)

161 For the record, I have lived in 4 different EU countries and I never heard someone doing a legitimate job illegally, unless you are a masseuse and work underground or other low low skilled jobs.

1) Why work when you can get a "jobseeker" or "asylum seeker" allowance?

2) I was just reading this the other day about "undocumented" people in Germany.  Seems like they do the same kind of jobs that illegal aliens do here, with the possible exception of "lawyer" (in California) and "writer for the NY Times."

http://is.gd/Ezlpnd

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (ZKzrr)

162 Voting must become an earned privilege, not a right. NO Representation without Taxation!

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (uLFS9)

163 Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 05:16 PM (noWW6)

Yeah, pretty much it.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (ZKzrr)

164 But why doesn't GOP try to fight it, Reagan style? Posted by: Temper Tantrum Would that be the Ronald Reagan who signed the 1986 immigration act that has led to California now being permanently Democrat. Ronald Reagan failed us by signing that law in 1986. It seems that some people don't get it that this invasion from South of the border has been going on for some time and has not crested yet.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (RFeQD)

165 >>The real problem is democracy itself. It is unsustainable as a form of government.

>>Voting must become an earned privilege, not a right.

Now that would be one of those dark miracles.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (sWwJZ)

166


Why not cut to the chase and give US citizenship to every citizen of Mexico? If we're going to commit national suicide, might as well do it once and for all, rather than piecemeal.

 

I'm kind of in favor of annexing northern Mexico and putting it under military governorship for the next twenty years while we clean out the cartels and reform them into first-world states. 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (tIvOy)

167 The Sunday panel on CNN wondered if the Republicans take the Senate in November will they have the "courage" to pass obamnesty and send it to obama...so that they could help their candidate in 2016. Yes, according to our betters and higher-thinkers, obama signing yet another signature piece of legislation that ruins the U.S. actually helps the R candidate in 2016.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:18 PM (o3NFc)

168 Sorry, but NONE of this shit seems important anymore, at least NOT in light of the woman in Iran who's been held in prison for the past 7 years and is now sentenced to be hanged this week - FOR BEING RAPED!!!!

Posted by: alwyr at April 15, 2014 01:18 PM (V0j3u)

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at April 15, 2014 01:18 PM (M+evy)

170 America has used up all its miracles. We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the best you can be. Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done. That's been pretty much Dennis Miller's take over the past few weeks--we're past the point of no return. Do you have your health, a spouse and/or kids you love, aspects of your existence that make you happy? That's about all you can focus on. I like bitching as much as anyone, but Ace is right about "entirely out of our control."

Posted by: jakeman at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (vH4YP)

171 Amnesty For the Ranchers!

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (FWbLS)

172 "Something must be done" should actually never be a reason for doing something.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 04:48 PM (gmeXX)




Truer words have never been spoken.  Written. Whatever.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (yh0zB)

173 But I don't agree with it. I still believe are best days are ahead. Now they may be way ahead, but still ahead. Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (gmeXX) ________ How can that be possible? There is zero evidence that the future will be any better than the past. I don't think we're going to descend into a 3rd World hell hole, either, but shit in 20 years will be a lot worse than 20 years ago.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (0LHZx)

174 My proposals: 1) Outreach to Asians. There's no reason they should vote for Democrats. They get screwed over by most of the party's programs. 2) God. 80% of the country believes in God, and the Democrats boo him. Make them the anti-God party as opposed to the anti-religion party and watch the voters run away. This is our best bet to make inroads in the black and immigrant community. God is rather popular, in spite of what Hollywood says. 3) Fund uncompromising leftist groups who don't caucus with Democrats. Get them to increase their share of their respective tribes. The Democrats are a classic barbarian horde. The various clans all hate each other. Get them to turn on the white liberal ruling class and split. 4) Focus on limiting government. The message resonates with the young people, and the less centralized the country is, the more local groups can assert control.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 15, 2014 01:20 PM (uhAkr)

175 Inter-ethnic marriages will speed up the process of integration into the middle-and upper income groups. Over time, we'll blend together like German/Italians, Irish/Polish and the rest of the population does now. At one point this was occurring within the black community, until the race-baiting industry exploded and began to preach "the joys of reverse segregation" to the black community. It is quite common to see some black students express disgust at inter-racial dating, marriage or physical contact. Inter-racial black/white couples appear to be on the decline. Couples have relayed horror stories of the unbelievable hostility they, and their children, receive from the black community. However, that is not an issue with hispanic population. As you stated; it is all about TIME.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 15, 2014 01:20 PM (s0aOC)

176 Deport illegals and fine Americans employing them harshly. If the progs whine, kick them in jewels with IRS audits, visits from the FBI, and mau-mau them daily. Basically, go full comando Obama. If they claim sanctuary city status, then audit every damned Federal welfare payment, cut off all Fed funding to their police and schools and then praise them for their support of State's Rights. Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (oDCMR) And here's Someone who at least has a clue how to fight like a Democrat. Yeah, it needs to be a cut throat solution to the problem. If we keep playing this "Marquis of Queens-berry" shit, we are gonna end up dead.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:20 PM (bb5+k)

177 I like bitching as much as anyone, but Ace is right about "entirely out of our control." ---- Where do you live? Just curious. I think those of us in TX or ND probably (on average) have a much more optimistic view of where the country is going. I sure hope we are right. If I lived in certain other parts, I'd be down to. But come to Texas and you will see the old American spirit.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:21 PM (gmeXX)

178 Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done.

Just pull up a chair out there on the sidewalk and watch the parade go by.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 15, 2014 01:22 PM (I8YZX)

179 159 @136 The same thing about states is true for most CDs, though. The immigrants are going to move to neighborhoods that contain like folks. There isn't going to be a rush of Mexicans living in areas that are not already populated with Mexicans. So, a few CDs get more Dem than they already are. Immigrants move to immigrant-heavy neighborhoods, particularly if they don't know the language and need job connections. That's been the case throughout American history and it is the case today. Posted by: trumpetdaddy at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (uUI8H) _________ But it doesn't work like that CDs aren't static. They change all the time. Say you have CD1 and CD2, each have 500K people. CD1 is 80/20 Dem, CD2 is 60/40 Rep. If 100K new people move into CD1, what will happen is the boundaries will changes and part of CD1's population will be part of CD2. And that makes CD more Democrat. Do this over time and eventually CD2 becomes 60/40 Democrat as well, even if no new Democrats actually move into present day CD2 territory.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

180 1. Mandatory e-verify. Very few illegals are "undocumented"- most have fake documents. 2. Deny highway funding to states that issue drivers licenses to illegals. 3. Visa exit system- you overstay your visa, you lose your America privileges . Start with those three. After they're in effect for a few years we'll talk.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 15, 2014 01:22 PM (SY2Kh)

181

The solution is rather simple: fix Mexico.

 

They have already begun on their own initiative by opening up their oil fields to foreign investment for the first time since the '30s. Mexico is waiting to boom. When that happens we'll probably see net migration back.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:22 PM (t06LC)

182 Doesn't help that the only big families these days are mostly in the projects.

Posted by: Madamex at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (ivf/m)

183 152 America has used up all its miracles. We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the best you can be. Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done. Posted by: Warden at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (HzhBE) It's not that we used up all our miracles. It's that we deliberately abandoned them . We were given a great gift, through struggle and sacrifice, through faith and family, through laws and a Lawgiver. But we turned our noses up at the old ways, the things that worked. We trashed them and deconstructed them and tossed them aside as easily as yesterday's garbage. Barring a miracle of God, we will not get that chance again. We have squandered our inheritance. Why would we be entrusted with so great a treasure when we treated it so casually and disdainfully the first time around.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (oMKp3)

184 perhaps if assimilation were accelerated, reasoning that is the quickest path to success and self sufficiency, conservatism would have a resurgence. That would require a conservative take over of academia

Posted by: thunderb at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

185 How can that be possible? There is zero evidence that the future will be any better than the past. I don't think we're going to descend into a 3rd World hell hole, either, but shit in 20 years will be a lot worse than 20 years ago. ---- See my comment above. I may be biased based on where I reside. Also, I subscribe to Kevin Williamson premise in his book.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (gmeXX)

186

Amnesty from Obamacare!

 

Why should Illegals be the only ones who get to break the law and get Amnesty?

 

We the taxpayers, should get to break some laws too...and demand Amnesty!

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (FWbLS)

187 "The Democrats are training many families among the immigrant population to live off the dole"

See also Heather MacDonald's essay on "Hispanic Family Values" for a primer on how incredibly fast the American welfare state absorbs those so-called "natural conservatives" once they become citizens and fully eligible for benefits.

Here in the SF Bay Area, there's a place I occasionally drive by which is a city welfare benefit office. The street outside has a big sign reading "Centro Del Servicios", in just that one language.

Every time I go by there, there is a gaggle of Hispanic girls, not a one of them old enough to be a high school graduate, there with the baby strollers, heading in to get mas servicios for themselves.

First things in the English language that immigrants learn now are the alphabet-soup welfare state acronyms. EBT. WIC. SNAP. SSI. AFDC.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 01:23 PM (noWW6)

188 You know, if the Republicans went full bore on deportations and freezing immigration for awhile, they might actually have a chance at winning more of the black vote.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at April 15, 2014 01:24 PM (crkWb)

189

Its not even reasonable accomodation for immigrants or illegals.  Its goes beyond the ridiculousness. 

 

That we even have discussions on  permitting illegals to obtain driver's licenses is absurd.   That government forms are required to be available  in  dozens of languages is ludicrous.  That  law enforcement is barred from asking resident status  is  outrageous.   Up is down and down is up.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:24 PM (m2CN7)

190 You know who could solve this? Ancient Aliens. Boy, they had a fix for everything.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 01:24 PM (Ec6wH)

191 People function primarily in terms of identity. This is especially true in a society in which the social fabric has basically disintegrated.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:24 PM (9W+0f)

192 Shit! It's almost 2:30 and I've gotten nothing done today.

Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (8c12T)

193 Barring a miracle of God, we will not get that chance again. We have squandered our inheritance. Why would we be entrusted with so great a treasure when we treated it so casually and disdainfully the first time around. Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 05:23 PM (oMKp3) ----- Doesn't your gov give you reason for hope?

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

194 Sorry, but NONE of this shit seems important anymore, at least NOT in light of the woman in Iran who's been held in prison for the past 7 years and is now sentenced to be hanged this week - FOR BEING RAPED!!!! --------------------------------- Just in case you thought I was in error, here are the details: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-to-hang-26-year-old-rape-victim/

Posted by: alwyr at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (V0j3u)

195 And in which one of the two parties is wedded to kyrocracy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (9W+0f)

196 The solution is so obvious, it truly is worthy of the description, "D'uh!"

If immigrants are voting against the GOP, then the GOP must pursue immigration policies that select for GOP-leaning immigrants. This means an end to chain immigration. It means being selective in who is allowed in. Policies like any would-be immigrants must be proficient in English. That they be ineligible for public assistance (welfare, etc.). That they be knowledgeable about the history of our country and its constitution.

It's not complicated, unless you are the kind of Republican that would rather hang yourself rather than appear to be too mean.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (IN7k+)

197 The solution is rather simple: fuck Mexico. It's a POS country. Stop trying to curry favor and establish an enforceable border.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (uLFS9)

198 Meanwhile, Party R expect me to work for a living and to be treated exactly the same as everyone else, with no excuses and no preferential ethnic treatment. So I don't know about you, but me? I would pull the lever for Party D until my damn arm fell off. Just as a matter of rude realistic self-aggrandizing human behavior. Sad but true, with emphasis on "rude." Of all the things we've lost as a nation, I miss respect the most. Think of all the things that were respected at one time, like self-sufficiency, initiative, self-respect, respect for the rule of law (and laws that make sense) and the cultural adhesion that engenders. Our enemies told us what they were going to do to us, and then they did it. We are no longer the country were once were. We were defeated culturally. All our infrastructure is intact, yet it no longer belongs to us. Our institutions, our courts and our government are no longer ours. I have no representation. I'm glad I'm old and won't be around much longer to explain to my little G'D'ette what freedom was.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (0HooB)

199 It begs the question: Why would God bestow another miracle and save the United States from itself? Is the United States, today, some special place filled with people doing His will? Look around..

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:25 PM (o3NFc)

200 We need a new country. There's no way we'll ever be treated fairly in this one again. Second look at that one-way trip to Mars?

Posted by: whoever at April 15, 2014 01:26 PM (pjMym)

201 Therefore, it is a good idea to make some attempts at "identity unification."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:26 PM (9W+0f)

202 I mean, after all, we pretty much have a golden calf for our president.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:26 PM (o3NFc)

203 Both politically and socially.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:26 PM (9W+0f)

204 121 Their constituency is among those hardest hit by the influx of illegal labor that drives down wages at the low end. But it means they'd have to allow a division with the rest of the leftist horde. Posted by: Epobirs Don't mistake the interests of their constituency as being the same as the interests of the Black Caucus. The Interests of the Black Caucus are more about being powerful and respected, and not so much with improving the lots of the people whom they represent.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (bb5+k)

205
Just put a bigger dose of love on the illegals and they will love you for life. 

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (nQjHM)

206 92 Still waiting for a cognizable explanation as to why it is that the current laws that are on the books, you know, the ones we were told had to be passed as an acceptable compromise, are suddenly now unenforceable and racist. Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (Xed9r) Because jwest's strawman says so.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (NZIlJ)

207 Specifically, people tend to think in terms of People Like Me and People Not Like Me. Democrats understand this and how to leverage it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (9W+0f)

208 See my comment above. I may be biased based on where I reside. Also, I subscribe to Kevin Williamson premise in his book. Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 05:23 PM (gmeXX) ________ Fair enough. But you're kind of living in a bubble out there. The shit will hit your fan eventually.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (0LHZx)

209 They call me the Golden Gaffe around the Clubhouse!

Posted by: Joe Biden : 2016 at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (uLFS9)

210 You know, if the Republicans went full bore on deportations and freezing immigration for awhile, they might actually have a chance at winning more of the black vote.

No they wouldn't.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (I8YZX)

211 Doesn't your gov give you reason for hope? The best my Governor can do is hold the line. I harbor no illusions that politicians will save this country.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 01:27 PM (oMKp3)

212 The Chamber Of Commerce is da debul.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 01:28 PM (thLL8)

213 Democrat politicians are always Like Everyone and/or Care About Everyone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:28 PM (9W+0f)

214 @184 A booming mexico might mitigate the invasion but mexico will never have the generous welfare state we have nor will the concentrarion of wealth be redistributed as we do. Mexico will always use the US as a check valve for its surplus population.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 01:28 PM (v6YdM)

215 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (0HooB Once again, you have expressed my sentiments.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 01:28 PM (HVff2)

216 I've said this before...I can't beat them, I will join them. Learn to work the system. If you do it right you can make a very nice living on welfare.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:29 PM (0LHZx)

217 Where do you live? Just curious. Grew up in Mass., have lived in AZ since '92. Part of the reason for my lack of hope is seeing what has happened in Arizona over the past 22 years: It was stunningly conservative when I moved here; now, it's been Californicated and immigrated into something I don't quite recognize.

Posted by: jakeman at April 15, 2014 01:29 PM (vH4YP)

218 I'm kind of in favor of annexing northern Mexico and putting it under military governorship for the next twenty years while we clean out the cartels and reform them into first-world states.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (tIvOy)

 

Who do you think you are , Putin?

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:29 PM (m2CN7)

219 202 It begs the question: Why would God bestow another miracle and save the United States from itself? Is the United States, today, some special place filled with people doing His will? Look around.. Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (o3NFc) This. And once we abandon Israel, all bets are off.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 01:29 PM (oMKp3)

220

@200

 

Mexico is a fucked country because back in the 20s they went full socialism, nationalized every thing, and began a de facto caste system with very wealthy people on top and the permanent poor on bottom.

The poor rightly said "fuck this noise" and headed north. Mexico has vast natural resources that are untapped as well as huge labor pools. If Mexico gets better, so do we. There's not much we can directly do, and fuck pandering, but if and when they get their shit together, do you think Jesus will come north where he gets paid $5 an hour for yard work or stay at home in the oilfields where he can make $50?

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (t06LC)

221 The best my Governor can do is hold the line. I harbor no illusions that politicians will save this country. ---- Oh I am under no illusion that they will either. But some times the right leader comes along at the right time for the right populace. Maybe Walker is that guy. I think this country is going to be rebuilt from the ground up in true conservative style, not the top down. The federal government will be the last thing that gets fixed. And No Mr. MM, I see no reason why shit will eventually hit my fan. It might, but I see no reason to expect it.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (gmeXX)

222 And Republican politicians are stigmatized successfully as the opposite.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (9W+0f)

223 A booming mexico might mitigate the invasion but mexico will never have the generous welfare state we have nor will the concentrarion of wealth be redistributed as we do. Mexico will always use the US as a check valve for its surplus population. Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (v6YdM) ___________ It's not just Mexico. Tehre's as much immigration, both legal and illegal from China, India and Africa as there is from Mexico. And those immigrants are as far left, maybe even moreso, than your typical Mexican arrival.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (0LHZx)

224 Wait a generation or two for low-skilled, Democratic-voting immigrants to have kids who grow up to become middle-class independents and then youÂ’ve got a shot. - I've been reading Bloodlands by Snyder lately about how Ukraine was royally fucked over by Stalin and by Hitler. He makes the point that by the time of the Holodomor in the early thirties, a new generation of young communists had come of age. The old revolutionaries had some sympathy for the victims of Stalin's crimes but the bright young commies had none. They believed in the old eggs/omelets means/ends stuff for creating a socialist utopia so whatever the cost, they were willing to have someone lese pay it. Therefore I have no faith that in a couple of generations things will be OK.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (XUKZU)

225
We heped both Al and Cliven Bundy, and we can hep you patriots with your illegal problem.  A few thousand of us cowboy patriots on the border and we can stop 'um cold. 

Posted by: Bundy Cowboy Posse at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (nQjHM)

226 If granting them amnesty made them like us, they'd be Republican already because of the 1986 Reagan amnesty. They'll never like us, they're from socialist countries and they bring that with them. We need to ignore them, and focus on the white vote. If Mitt Romney had won 3% more  whites in '12, he'd be in the Oval Office today. Politicians forget to pander to whites, if they remembered, it would be a whole other ballgame.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 15, 2014 01:30 PM (KL49F)

227 The saddest thing for me is the sense that my lifelong love affair with my country is drawing to a close . Look baby , it's not me , it's you ( 52%) . I think maybe we should start seeing other people .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (whqez)

228 "I'm kind of in favor of annexing northern Mexico and putting it under military governorship for the next twenty years while we clean out the cartels and reform them into first-world states."

Of course, what's actually happening is that Mexico is annexing the southern US, and the cartels are expanding hugely onto US soil.

I occasionally hear rumblings to the effect that LAPD Internal Affairs produced an eyes-only report for their police commission.

Saying that they had been worried about the possibility of cartel penetration of Stateside law enforcement. Only to find, when they looked, that what they had imagined to be a hypothetical future possibility was in fact a concrete present reality.

Dozens of LEOs, including many who had been fast tracked into command ranks for "diversity" purposes, turned out to have not very well concealed cartel ties.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (noWW6)

229 As an aside, there are at least three reasons why Ted Cruz doesn't really prove anything either way.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (9W+0f)

230 This. And once we abandon Israel, all bets are off. Preach it!

Posted by: Pat Buchanan at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (thLL8)

231 Ace, have you tried to explain this very simple math problem to Gabe? Lord knows we've tried to.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (Kz7Cm)

232 But she managed to do it. Posted by: fromabroad at April 15, 2014 05:03 PM (rnV3B) Dumb question. Why aren't you trying to get her fucked over by the government? For God's sake people, when the fish jump in the boat, beat them to death with an oar! So a leftist twit wants to come into our country and push her agenda? Fuck her up the ass sideways with a rusty tractor! I know one of those leftist European fucks, and if I could get him in trouble, i'd damn sure do it. The last thing we need in this nation is people from other nations with leftists bents to them. Send some anonymous tips to the right authorities, and keep doing it. Get the place where they work raided, if you have to. She's breaking the fucking law, AND she's a leftist twit? This seems like a no-brainer to me.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (bb5+k)

233 I've said this before...I can't beat them, I will join them. Learn to work the system. If you do it right you can make a very nice living on welfare.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (0LHZx)

 

You  would  let them take your character too?  If you had any in the first place that is.

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (m2CN7)

234 @182 Not necessarily.  People move all the time as you say.  What happens when a whole bunch more people move in to a CD and make the minority population even larger?  The few remaining white folks move to the burbs. 

There is a reason there are so few competitive CDs.  It is neither party's interest to have a bunch of 50/50 CDs.  Costs too much money to contest every two years.  Both parties prefer stasis and will draw CD boundaries in such a way as to keep stasis.  IAC, Trende makes the point in his article that when you break the numbers down according to actual historical data on immigrant voting patterns, in the state with the most undocumented immigrants, Nevada, Obama would have netted out another 17,000 votes.  Big whoop.  So his margin goes up a point and a half.

The Dems want the issue, not the voters.  The voters only pad the margin they've already got in these states but the issue turns moderate whites and young voters off the Republican party.  And there are a hell of a lot more already existing moderate white voters to be persuaded than any amnesty would create new Latino voters.  the issue is what they want and some on our side are more than delighted to play the part of nativist bigot and give them that issue.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (uUI8H)

235
1) Outreach to Asians. There's no reason they should vote for Democrats. They get screwed over by most of the party's programs.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (uhAkr)

Asians vote Dem for social/cultural reasons.  Increasingly Asians (a category which includes South Asians) are non-Christian and see the GOP as the Christian party.  Obama got 97% of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrant vote, even higher than his percentage among blacks.

But every single 2016 GOP presidential candidate supports *increasing* legal immigration.  Even though a majority of Americans wants it reduced. Because donor $, and GOP primary voters don't make them pay any consequence for it.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 15, 2014 01:31 PM (DPMu1)

236 do you think Jesus will come north where he gets paid $5 an hour for yard work or stay at home in the oilfields where he can make $50? Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 05:30 PM (t06LC) ________ But it's not $5 an hour. It's more like $10. And then an extra $5 from SNAP. And an extra $5 from WIC. And an extra $5 from EITC. And an extra $5 from Section 8. And an extra $10/hr he receives in getting a free education for his kid and free health care from Obamacare/Medicaid. Add all that shit up and he's making that $50/hr living here.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx)

237 Anyway, identity unification is a matter of high lighting the similarities while down playing the differences.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:32 PM (9W+0f)

238 #163

A UK movie that had illegal immigration as a major subplot was 'Dirty Pretty Things.' Starred Audrey Tatou and Chiwetal Ejiofor.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0301199/?ref_=nm_knf_i4

Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 01:33 PM (bPxS6)

239

@226

 

Most of the illegals I've seen lately are not from Mexico but el Salvador FWIW...

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:33 PM (t06LC)

240 And one doesn't have to be cynical about this. People generally respond positively to just the attempt. Because it communicates that you like them and/or care about them.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:34 PM (9W+0f)

241 Ex-father-in-law was an immigrant from Mexico when young. He was probably an illegal at the time.

He came here with children and had more children here.

Never took a handout, devout church goer.  Does not like abortion.

But considers Republicans 'for the rich.'

And Democrats 'help people.'

Won't listen to any argument to the contrary.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 01:34 PM (OZmbA)

242 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (uUI8H) _______ Every state has a finite amount of CDs. It may gain 1 or lose one every 10 years but essentially the number is fixed. When you get an extra few million people moving in and they're 80/20 new Dems, all CDs will become more Democrat. Yeah it doesn't matter if the 85/15 Dem is now 92/8. But it does matter when the 60/40 Rep is now 52/48.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:34 PM (0LHZx)

243 An Asian sees the GOP as the White party, and the White guy is standing in the way of his well-deserved promotion. To a man, all of my Asian ex-friends have gone Dem. They're more or less immune to the recession due to the selection bias of their parents' immigration.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 01:34 PM (Ec6wH)

244 It begs the question: Why would God bestow another miracle and save the United States from itself? Is the United States, today, some special place filled with people doing His will? Look around.. Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (o3NFc) The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.” Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.” Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?” He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:35 PM (yz6yg)

245 And it doesn't have to degenerate into some sort of prostitution whereby material goods are offered to people in exchange for their votes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:35 PM (9W+0f)

246 And what did happen to Sodom?

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:36 PM (o3NFc)

247 Ace, have you tried to explain this very simple math problem to Gabe? Lord knows we've tried to. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (Kz7Cm) There will be no math on this blog. Now you take all yer book larnin' and git.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:36 PM (yz6yg)

248 248 And it doesn't have to degenerate into some sort of prostitution whereby material goods are offered to people in exchange for their votes. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 05:35 PM But, it has. It is just a matter of time before the dam breaks and there is a flood.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 01:36 PM (HVff2)

249 And what did happen to Sodom? Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:36 PM (o3NFc) There wasn't one just man. That's not the case here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:37 PM (yz6yg)

250 Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 15, 2014 05:34 PM (Ec6wH) _______ I know one Asian guy who is marginally a Republican. He's US born of Indian parents. Everyone else from Asia I know (and know politically) is a Democrat. And these are all by and large, well educated, high income people. So the idea that all we have to do is get immigrants to be rich and they'll magically turn Republican is laughable. I swear that these "analysts" and "experts" have never been out in the real world or know anyone who isn't a DC insider.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:37 PM (0LHZx)

251 And what of the Tower Of Babel?

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:37 PM (o3NFc)

252 But considers Republicans 'for the rich.' And Democrats 'help people.' Won't listen to any argument to the contrary. Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 05:34 PM (OZmbA) Has he always been blind to observable reality? Or is this a more recent thing?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (yz6yg)

253 Giving Spanish speakers an option to the current leftist propaganda they get from the Spanish news stations. There is no truth getting to these people. What are they supposed to think? Dear Mr. Murdock, Don't you know anyone who speaks Spanish? The fate of the country needs them.

Posted by: petunia at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (DAcBA)

254 Of course, Democrats do both, simultaneously, while encouraging people to think in some combination of purely materialistic, purely selfish, purely imbecilic, and purely collectivistic terms.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (9W+0f)

255 in which case "prayer" works wonders and changes the world. Mooch torching Israel. Mooch torching the Constitution. Happy Passover. http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=232410

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (IXrOn)

256 I think the solution will come about on its own. Mexico had 80 years of single party rule which simply perpetuated a class segregated shit hole. I can't see millions of freedom loving capitalist individualist Americans tolerating such a thing. Unless something drastic occurs to alter the demographic trend I think secession and breakup of what's left of the Republic are in our future.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (dvRYt)

257 And what of the Tower Of Babel? Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:37 PM (o3NFc) People trying to be God. Had it coming.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:38 PM (yz6yg)

258 154 The real problem is democracy itself. It is unsustainable as a form of government. Voting must become an earned privilege, not a right. As long as we have a universal franchise, we are doomed. Simple as that, and there is no escaping it. Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (zoehZ) Don't know about "earned". Originally it was restricted to people who owned land. The thinking was that these people have an invested stake in the well being of the community/state/nation to which they belong. But yes, the 24th and 26th amendment's really fucked things up. (Eliminating the requirement to pay taxes and lowering the age.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (bb5+k)

259

@253

 

You're friends with Bobby Jindal? Cool.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (t06LC)

260 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 15, 2014 05:37 PM (yz6yg) Oh great. We're putting all our eggs in CBD's basket?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (oMKp3)

261 The new immigrants I've met from Central America and ME don't know that the Democrats are Socialists--They think they are all honest, open minded, individual freedom people. Were the GOP to actually have conservative values and advertise themselves as the Party of freedom things might change. The immigrants I've met from Russia, its satellites and Cuba think the Democrats are Communists and don't understand why people are being so stupid. Won't comment on that.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (1PVlv)

262 The question was will God save the United States.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (o3NFc)

263 Any just men left here should be looking at exit strategies. Demographics are less forgiving than God.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 15, 2014 01:39 PM (sWwJZ)

264 Demagogy is about dumbing people down to the lowest level.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:40 PM (9W+0f)

265 #239

Plus, add in that the infrastructure makes it much more pleasant to be a peasant in the US than in Mexico. Most of the Mexicans coming north are from ethnic groups at the bottom of society there. The casting of the movie 'Spanglish' was absurd in asking the audience to believe the gorgeous Spanish actress Paz Vega was a poor Mexican applying for work as a maid.

It's kind of funny that when I go into a Vallarta (Mexican themed supermarket chain in Southern CA, with really good produce, deli, and butcher departments) store, none of the shoppers look anything like the celebrities on the covers of the Spanish language magazines by the registers.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 01:40 PM (bPxS6)

266

@265

No. Statistically speaking God hates idiots.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:41 PM (t06LC)

267 Oh great. We're putting all our eggs in CBD's basket? Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2014 05:39 PM (oMKp3) Scary thought.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:41 PM (yz6yg)

268 And it can only really function when people think in purely base terms, and have nothing but purely base aspirations.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:41 PM (9W+0f)

269 Has he always been blind to observable reality? Or is this a more recent thing?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 15, 2014 05:38 PM (yz6yg)



One thing that I haven't considered is that they (he and his wife) don't speak much English, even after 35 or 40 years here, and they watch Spanish language TV and listen to Spanish radio, so their media sources are limited.


The kids (all over 35 now), however, are a mixed bag. Some quasi-conservatives. Kind of LIV in knowing what's going on except for the 'noisy' issues like gay marriage, etc.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 01:41 PM (OZmbA)

270 Any just men left here should be looking at exit strategies. Demographics are less forgiving than God. Posted by: kartoffel at April 15, 2014 05:39 PM (sWwJZ) Now THIS is theology. ^5

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:42 PM (yz6yg)

271

@268

I've been to Crystal City, Texas. Really, I've been to many nicer places in Mexico.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:42 PM (t06LC)

272 Start with those three. After they're in effect for a few years we'll talk. Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (SY2Kh) Start with nothing. Till you gain political power, you can't change the status quo.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:42 PM (bb5+k)

273 A fellow by the name of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn had a pretty good grasp of left-wing politics. I doubt that he would have been quite so sanguine about the current push for diversity as defined by our more progressive comrades both in and out of government:

"I have spent all my life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either."

We are indeed a nation of laws but when laws are applied in an arbitrary subjective manner, as they are in the U.S. today, can an American Gulag be far behind?

Posted by: PPs43 at April 15, 2014 01:42 PM (gs8t9)

274 It's kind of funny that when I go into a Vallarta (Mexican themed supermarket chain in Southern CA, with really good produce, deli, and butcher departments) store, none of the shoppers look anything like the celebrities on the covers of the Spanish language magazines by the registers. Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 05:40 PM (bPxS6) _______ When I was 12 I went to baseball camp and we had several kids from Mexico there as well. If it weren't for the accent, you'd never know which kids were Mexican and which were Americans. They were all white, some them blond. Having never seen Mexicans other than the guy who cut my lawn and the guy who served me at McDonald's it was quite a shock to see.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:44 PM (0LHZx)

275 Therefore, making some attempt to prevent Dechristianization/Atheization/Proletarianization and base identitarianism is important.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:44 PM (9W+0f)

276 I think Ace is advocating for the 'burning times' in a roundabout way:


" If something happens to discredit progressivism (such as a new recession) to make immigrant populations actually begin to doubt their preferred big government, big spending solutions, there's hope of a realignment."

Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 01:45 PM (OZmbA)

277 perhaps if assimilation were accelerated, reasoning that is the quickest path to success and self sufficiency, conservatism would have a resurgence. That would require a conservative take over of academia Posted by: thunderb at April 15, 2014 05:23 PM (zOTsN) Or just destroy the existing academia. I am seeing some good news on this front over on the Glenn Reynolds blog "Instapundit." Technology is obviating the need for expensive buildings and leftwing instructors, and we need to help it along any way we can. Texas is trying to offer a $10,000.00 degree program. We need more ideas like this. We can destroy academia by cutting their financial throat.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:45 PM (bb5+k)

278 Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (bb5+k) Cincinnati has a Communist history professor from UK who somehow has been allowed to stay for over a decade in the US. Long enough to become their grad director, and take extended leaves from teaching his classes in order to work and vote in out-of-state presidential elections. That followed by the day I witnessed his recommendation to a grad class that they should "guillotine all the republicans" and other charming sentiments. All paid for by Ohio taxpayers.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 15, 2014 01:45 PM (s0aOC)

279 274 @268 I've been to Crystal City, Texas. Really, I've been to many nicer places in Mexico. Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 05:42 PM (t06LC) _________ I'll see your Crystal City, TX and raise you a Yuma, AZ

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:45 PM (0LHZx)

280 As is talking to people about issues which are not of a purely materialistic/Nihilistic nature.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:45 PM (9W+0f)

281 Wait a generation or two for low-skilled, Democratic-voting immigrants to have kids who grow up to become middle-class independents and then youÂ’ve got a shot. In the meantime, gulp. ======== Should that all have happened following Reagan's amnesty? Did it?

Posted by: --- at April 15, 2014 01:46 PM (MMC8r)

282 Speaking of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 15, 2014 01:46 PM (XUKZU)

283 Musta sucked to be an American who lost his job because Clinton needed reelection money. It took a few years, but yeah, it does suck.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:47 PM (0HooB)

284

Ace wrote, "So what do you do?"

 

If at all possible, avoid fighting the enemy on ground of his choosing, which in this case means stop trying to pander to racial and ethnic demographic groups. Republicans cannot outpander Democrats, play off one group against another, or offer mountains of free shit. Therefore, there's nothing for it but to sell individual freedom, limited government, free market capitalism, and societal advancement by merit. Throw Martin Luther King at them, the idea where people are judged by content of character. Tell them the goal is a color-blind society.

 

The Democrats win on this partly because people want to identify with something greater than themselves. Point out that they are Americans, part of a great and ongoing experiment in human freedom, and there is nothing greater.

 

That sort of thing.

Posted by: troyriser at April 15, 2014 01:47 PM (gNlvW)

285 I'll see your Crystal City, TX and raise you a Yuma, AZ

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 05:45 PM (0LHZx)



I'll see both and raise you a south side of Chicago.

And my hole card is Detroit, MI

Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 01:47 PM (OZmbA)

286 Religion is a good way to get people's minds out of the gutter. And also to unify people behind/within a single identity.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:48 PM (9W+0f)

287 --------------------------------- Just in case you thought I was in error, here are the details: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-to-hang-26-year-old-rape-victim/ Posted by: alwyr at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (V0j3u) I have been saying since 1979 that we should have gone over there and beaten the ever loving dogshit out of those sonnofabitches, but we had Idiot/pussy Jimmy Carter fucking things up in those days. The Iran/Iraq war (Something which would not have happened had the Shah remained in power) Killed a million people. A million dead people are on your head Jimmy Carter. You are just too fucking stupid to comprehend what you did.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:48 PM (bb5+k)

288 I've been to all 4...Detroit, South Side, Crystal City and Yuma...point a gun to my head and tell me I have to spend a year in one of the 4....I pick Chicago and Detroit over Yuma and Crystal City.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:49 PM (0LHZx)

289 nood in case youre unaware

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 01:50 PM (o3NFc)

290 If Leftists are in favor of a cultural initiative, it's usually best to oppose it. They have their reasons and they're generally base, and, in fact, politically disadvantageous for Conservatism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:50 PM (9W+0f)

291 Then it'll be bye bye Mr. Moo Moo

Posted by: Sphynx at April 15, 2014 01:50 PM (OZmbA)

292 And Walla Walla, WA ain't no prize neither....I will give $1000 to anyone who can place an order for fast food in the city limits in English and receive a 100% accurate meal.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 01:50 PM (0LHZx)

293 nood

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 01:51 PM (bb5+k)

294 Of course, there's not any one, simple big thing the GOP can do. It's more like a million difficult things. The European immigrants of 100 years ago were Democrats too. They're descendants are Republicans. Why? Assimilation into society. Dump bilingual education. Offer the citizenship test in English only (as it was in 1983 when my Uruguayan mother took it.) Democrats offer two things: free stuff and rules on how to run your life. Cut the free stuff, and what's left is not very attractive. More distasteful, do what the Democrats have been doing for nearly 200 years: play racial politics. Play blacks against Hispanics and vice versa. Is there something wrong with trying to increase it's share of the white vote to offset lost Hispanic votes? Of course, you do this subtly and deny you're doing it.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 15, 2014 01:52 PM (MSrqi)

295 Here's something we can do. If you're white, start breeding again. Really, this isn't hard.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at April 15, 2014 01:52 PM (qmOgr)

296 The Democrats win on this partly because people want to identify with something greater than themselves. Point out that they are Americans, part of a great and ongoing experiment in human freedom, and there is nothing greater. That sort of thing. As the newly installed head of the Republican Party, I'd start with the economy: I'd direct every Pubbie in power to mention something about the sorry state of our economy under Dim rule every day, to the point of ignoring MFM questions (just like Dims constantly change the subject to badmouth Pubbies). Example: Wouldn't you want to make much more money than the Dims in Washington want to give you?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 01:53 PM (0HooB)

297 Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 15, 2014 05:52 PM (MSrqi) Get rid of Dual Citizenship... You are either a US Citizen, or something else... not both.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 01:54 PM (84gbM)

298

@299

 

Done. I will relay this sage advice to my wife tonight. I will see if she is also down for a mistress or two. You know, to do my part.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 15, 2014 01:54 PM (t06LC)

299 Immigrants who aren't ass holes generally do want to assimilate and to feel welcomed, not in a sycophantic, 'we-celebrate-diversity' manner, but rather in a genuinely friendly one.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:55 PM (9W+0f)

300 As such, it's probably a good idea to actually engage in that sort of thing, and to fight against the 'Nation of Immigrants With Nothing In Common' meme and mentality.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:56 PM (9W+0f)

301 Looking into ways to curtail immigration from Nonchristian countries would also be wise.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:58 PM (9W+0f)

302 //Done. I will relay this sage advice to my wife tonight. I will see if she is also down for a mistress or two. You know, to do my part.// Exactly. Get on it. And I'm serious. Of breeding age? Then breed. Every other ethnic group in the country but you gets this. "Oh, our culture is dying, our culture is dying! Hmm. Kids? Oh . . . well, we're not ready for that yet. Maybe when we're in our late 30s we'll have just one." Get on it. People think I'm joking. I'm not. And stop sending them to public schools and 4 year colleges.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at April 15, 2014 01:58 PM (qmOgr)

303 One thing we need to do is change the argument... Its not RACE.... its CULTURE. I don't care if you are Black, White, Brown, or Green... we had a distinct American culture that is disappearing because of the Multicultural Bullshit... Leave your Damn Mexican flag, in Mexico... Leave your Women Beating Islamic culture in the Mideast... We used to be a Melting Pot... now we are being fragmented into different societies... And if you don't believe me, please come to the Central Valley of California....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 01:59 PM (84gbM)

304 And, FFS, in a democracy, that should definitely be doable/on the table.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 01:59 PM (9W+0f)

305 Lets deport Mexicans to Cuba and see what happens.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 02:00 PM (oDCMR)

306 Lets deport Mexicans to Cuba and see what happens.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 02:00 PM (oDCMR)

307 But, for some reason, democracy seems to be defined as sucking cock compulsively and enthusiastically.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 02:01 PM (9W+0f)

308 "I occasionally hear rumblings to the effect that LAPD Internal Affairs produced an eyes-only report for their police commission. Saying that they had been worried about the possibility of cartel penetration of Stateside law enforcement. Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (noWW6)" Have you been following the Louisville teen riots? 200 rioting teenaged african-americans ran through downtown Louisville, tearing up stores and beating people. How this situation evolved is complicated on several levels. But, right now the city fathers are sitting on what the entire city knows: there are teen gangs somehow involved with the cartels. They moved here around eight years ago, along with a sizable number of families from Chechnya and Uzbekistan. The impact on the schools has been catastrophic. We even made honorable mention in the Homeland Security Report to the Senate.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 15, 2014 02:02 PM (s0aOC)

309 It's also a good idea to explain to people that America's prosperity is/was actually a function of Free Market Capitalism. And that a dynamic labor market and competition among employers who don't have to put up with all sorts of burdensome regulations is good for them. That Capitalism isn't about 'keeping the poor poor and the rich rich' as Leftists like to imply even though a lot of them do know better. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 15, 2014 02:07 PM (9W+0f)

310 #274

But who lives in those nicer parts of Mexico? The peasants of mostly Indian blood or those of mostly European blood?

Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 02:11 PM (bPxS6)

311 I don't understand you Americans.

ITS ALL OVER

There is nothing...   absolutely nothing you can do to save the country from becoming just another fkd up socialist state.

The US is corrupt, the government is nothing but a corrupt, crony operation that takes your money and gives it to an increasingly rich and smarter class of people who know how to Fk you out of it.

And, it is not Democrats or Republicans. They are all the same... they just activate "their" side by getting people all riled up about the other side while they rake in the $$$ millions no matter who is in charge...   i.e. Karl Rove - Soros - Podesta - Romneys, Clintons, Bushs and Kennedys, etc.

In order to keep the whole scam going, the government/fed just keeps printing worthless dollars and eventually the whole thing will collapse.

My advice - buy some land in the country, buy a lot of guns and ammo, learn how to grow vegetables and how to raise and slaughter livestock and hope you die of old age before the people from the city come to take your stuff.

Its called the Decline and Fall of an Empire.... happens all the time... over and over in history. And this time, nothing will change that.

After all, we are still the same failed humans we have always been.



Posted by: Philip James at April 15, 2014 02:19 PM (Zrs1R)

312 Let it burn.

Posted by: Buddha at April 15, 2014 02:20 PM (s/sIv)

313 #175

Far worse is "At least they're doing something!" This became a universal excuse for Obamacare among leftists who understood it would be a disaster. Ironically, the Hippocratic oath is unknown to politicians meddling in health care.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 15, 2014 02:23 PM (bPxS6)

314 More love, man!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 15, 2014 02:24 PM (7oiiw)

315 Why in Hell would you flee a place to give yourself and your family a better life and then make electoral choices in your haven country that would turn it into the country that you fled from? We should curb illegal and legal immigration. The rest of the world is just too stupid to come here.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 15, 2014 02:26 PM (0b0Kp)

316 152 America has used up all its miracles. We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the best you can be. Take good care of your family. There's really nothing else to be done. Posted by: Warden at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (HzhBE) --- Well said. Sad and true.

Posted by: whoever at April 15, 2014 02:34 PM (pjMym)

317 I'm kind of in favor of annexing northern Mexico and putting it under military governorship for the next twenty years while we clean out the cartels and reform them into first-world states. --- It worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: whoever at April 15, 2014 02:45 PM (pjMym)

318 Time to tell all the fiscal conservatives: We've lost the war; all the cool kids want stuff; time for your to shut up.

Posted by: Axeman at April 15, 2014 07:03 PM (cAr2x)

319 "Dumb question. Why aren't you trying to get her fucked over by the government? " I am not American and I am not IN usa

Posted by: fromabroad at April 15, 2014 08:27 PM (rnV3B)

320 We hit our apex in the 80's. It's gonna be downhill for a long time to come. Be the When you willingly kill off 50 million of your children, the vacumn has to be filled.

Posted by: Madamex at April 16, 2014 12:18 AM (zlvEL)

321 actually thats a great study ... that means that among immigrants who can vote the GOP is almost even with the Dems ...

Posted by: JeffC at April 16, 2014 06:28 AM (TR6Cq)

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