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December 22, 2009

Stupak: Pro-Life House Dems May Oppose Senate Health Care Bill
— DrewM

Personally, I'm not in the mood for false hope and I don't think this threat is real but here you go.

"They know that the 64 Democrats who voted with the Republicans on my amendment, we feel strongly that we cannot support a healthcare bill which goes past the current restrictions, which is no federal funding for abortion," Stupak said during an appearance on Fox News, speaking about Democratic leaders in the House.
Stupak, who has said the Senate's language on abortion is, in fact, "unacceptable," warned that the Senate's provision and other elements of the bill could cost Democrats support for final passage of health reform in the House.
"So, if they go farther than that, a lot of us will find it very difficult to vote for the Senate bill," he said. "Not just because of the abortion language, but even other language in the Senate bill those of us in the House are not pleased to see."

Gee, maybe the Republicans should have called Stupak's bluff awhile back and not have passed his amendment during the House debate. Oh right, Republicans don't play games with life, just with the health care and freedom of all Americans.

IIRC, Stupak at the time of the House debate said he might have voted for the House bill even if his amendment had failed. Why exactly we are supposed to believe he's super cereal now, I'm not sure.

The Democrats still have some work to do to reconcile the bills, either in conference (which could be dangerous) or by twisting enough arms in the House to get them to swallow hard enough to accept the Senate bill as is.

My guess is Nancy will strong arm her caucus thorough a combination of bribes and promises to 'fix' things later that the House will suck it up and pass the Senate bill. Clearly, there's no deal she and Reid won't make or limit on how much of our money they will spend to get to 218 and 60 in their respective houses.

I hope I'm wrong but as we've seen over the last few weeks, relying on Democrats, even self-proclaimed moderate ones to do the right thing is a losing strategy.

Posted by: DrewM at 11:33 AM | Comments (52)
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1 Lucy = "Blue Dog" Dem
Football= Abortion Admendment
US Taxpayer= Charlie Brown

Posted by: Mike H at December 22, 2009 11:36 AM (7KUsl)

2 Huh. I bet they oppose it just long enough to get themselves a Nebraska Deal.

Posted by: Popcorn at December 22, 2009 11:37 AM (OOehk)

3 Meh. I'll believe it when I see it. They've shown themselves too easy to buy.

Posted by: Slublog at December 22, 2009 11:37 AM (qjKko)

4 Personally, I'm not in the mood for false hope....

As I said earlier, this bill was passed as soon as the traitorous beatch from ME voted to allow it out of committee.

I just hope WallyMart has the new improved bib with the activated charcoal filter so we can breath while eating our shit sandwich.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2009 11:38 AM (QrA9E)

5 Better to assume it will pass and plan for repeal than to hope we don't get kicked in the balls again.

Posted by: Big Daddy at December 22, 2009 11:40 AM (pOcKt)

6 I don't trust the communist Dem. Party in no way or form!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 22, 2009 11:41 AM (i7/fU)

7 They'll spread their legs. They're just negotiating the price now.

Posted by: joncelli at December 22, 2009 11:41 AM (RD7QR)

8 Yep, definitely spit or swallow time for the House, no time left to change positions. If they open this up in conference then everybody in the Senate and House is going to want in on the cash and prizes. I think Stupak will cave when the Blue Dogs are given their pick of the sweetmeats in Porkulus II: The next day

Posted by: Rocks at December 22, 2009 11:42 AM (Q1lie)

9 Pol for sale! Get your blue hot pol right here. Pol for sale!

Posted by: dogfish at December 22, 2009 11:42 AM (GQwdV)

10 I "may" turn down sex with three hot Korean hookers.

Posted by: Truman North at December 22, 2009 11:43 AM (e8YaH)

11 definitely spit or swallow time for the House, no time left to change positions.

They'll do one or the other; it's just a matter of price.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 11:43 AM (6Nv5B)

12 "So, if they go farther than that, a lot of us will find it very difficult to vote for the Senate bill," he said. "Unless we all get our full Nelson!", he added

Posted by: Rich at December 22, 2009 11:44 AM (J2QJx)

13 They're all prostitutes it's only as to what price they can be bought for as we've seen this last month.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2009 11:45 AM (pUO5u)

14 It really amazing what our Country has come down to, pols are coming out in our faces and telling us they are corrupt and noone is doing a fck'ing thing about it, pathetic!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 22, 2009 11:46 AM (i7/fU)

15 I "may" turn down sex with three hot Korean hookers.

I "may" turn down a million dollars from Bill Gates.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 11:47 AM (6Nv5B)

16 Just in case, call your local progressive moron Congressman, and astroturf/operation chaos some public option fever--it's not like we hit the suicide pact timebomb button--they did.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 22, 2009 11:49 AM (NPtVh)

17
I agree. Hanging hope on democrats not to act like democrats is a losing game.

Posted by: ethos at December 22, 2009 11:50 AM (0fzsA)

18 Moderate Democrat = pricier whore.

Posted by: maddogg at December 22, 2009 11:50 AM (OlN4e)

19 Considering that the "bribe" money here appears to be unlimited, I can't imagine Botox Nancy will have any problem mowing through any opposition.

Posted by: looking closely at December 22, 2009 11:51 AM (6Q9g2)

20 Republicans don't play games with life, or strategy.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 11:51 AM (muUqs)

You know how kids always have to be corrected on the difference between using "may" and "can" by grammar Nazi's like myself? I think our pols need to be schooled on the difference between "may" and "will".

No, wait... I take that back. Instead, they need to be schooled on not being ulcerous little sputum balls that should be chained to a heavy rock and thrown down a deep pit.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at December 22, 2009 11:51 AM (pZEar)

22 Dang. I should have known the pricier whore comparason would have been made 3 times before the 20th post. Gots to be more creative....

Posted by: maddogg at December 22, 2009 11:52 AM (OlN4e)

23 For the right price they will suck. For more, they swallow...

Posted by: maddogg at December 22, 2009 11:53 AM (OlN4e)

24 Just stop the tease. Stop it now. It's done. It's fucking done.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 22, 2009 11:53 AM (SCcgT)

25 Every commie blog out there has some sort of "Kill the Bill" petition. Conservatives are up in arms and being drowned out by the pink press. I say fuck it, let the bill through, cause O's fringe base is turning on him in droves. I just hope Bammy has his cyanide pill somewhere in arm's reach.

Posted by: somegoodman at December 22, 2009 11:54 AM (w3ciC)

26 Yup, a moderate Democrat is just a higher-class of whore, the kind you have to see in a pricey hotel rather than in the backseat of your Rambler.

Or so I've read. *cough*

What I'm sick of is getting caught up in their preening, as if any of them have any principles beyond getting paid and advancing "progressive" causes.

Posted by: Kensington at December 22, 2009 11:55 AM (BlBnA)

27 Well I hope they figure all this out, so Barry can go on vacation. You know the airlines charge you $75.00 as a change fee now. That might be the change he was talking about..... ???

Posted by: Say What? at December 22, 2009 11:56 AM (vwh8M)

28 I agree. Hanging hope on democrats not to act like democrats is a losing game.

Posted by: ethos at December 22, 2009 03:50 PM (0fzsA)

If their conception of "the right thing to do" didn't differ from the Republican's conception of it, they'd be Republicans and not Democrats. "Balls!" said the Queen. "If I had 'em, I'd be king."

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 11:56 AM (Ate22)

29 So, this is what it's like when a group of free people become slaves.

Slaves have time to post comments on the internet, tell lots of jokes.

Who knew? Maybe being a ward of the State won't be so bad after all!

Posted by: oh, Hi Mark at December 22, 2009 11:56 AM (UD1ly)

30 When the Democraps go before the voters next time, and they have to show the voters what they got for their bit of political whoredom, they can always hold up the semen stained dress...

Posted by: maddogg at December 22, 2009 11:57 AM (OlN4e)

31 Only a miracle can save us now.

Posted by: Jewells at December 22, 2009 11:57 AM (l/N7H)

32 Republicans need to forget about the "blue dogs" and start seriously campaigning on behalf of knee-capping and/or overturning this beginning after the mid-terms.

They need to make the case to the voters that it won't be enough to give back the Congress. Obama's going to have to go, too.

Posted by: Kensington at December 22, 2009 11:58 AM (BlBnA)

33 Yup, a moderate Democrat is just a higher-class of whore, the kind you have to see in a pricey hotel street corner rather than in the backseat of your Rambler truck stop parking lot working for their next hit of crack.

FIFY.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 12:00 PM (6Nv5B)

So, this is what it's like when a group of free people become slaves.

Freedom's been bleeding out for decades. This is just the coup the graceless.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 12:03 PM (dQdrY)

35 Shtupak opposes now for exactly same reasons that Landrieu, Nelson and Dodd didd. Nothing a few pieces of silver would not fix.

Posted by: sporadic small arms fire at December 22, 2009 12:05 PM (dP6Ky)

relying on Democrats, even self-proclaimed moderate ones to do the right thing is a losing strategy.

Purge the RINO's!!!!

Posted by: Hidden Imam at December 22, 2009 12:07 PM (9fjyr)

37 36, I've had DirecTV for 5 years and no complaints whatsoever! Better than the Dish network and I get the NFL channel 24/7, all win for me!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 22, 2009 12:08 PM (i7/fU)

38 These guys will fold faster than I do.

Posted by: Superman on Laundry Day at December 22, 2009 12:18 PM (TpXEI)

39 Shtupak opposes now for exactly same reasons that Landrieu, Nelson and Dodd didd. Nothing a few pieces of silver would not fix.

Yet in the HHS appropriation bill the House and the Senate both passed "Stupak Language". POTUS signed that too.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi will support "Stupak Language", but so far Pelosi is the only one to actually vote for "Stupak Language" in Pelosi-Reid-Obamacare.

What is it about this massive government expansion into health care that can't get the pro-choicers to drop elective abortion as basic medical care. It's not basic medical care. Neither is Viagra. They're elective.

Posted by: WTFCI at December 22, 2009 12:23 PM (GtYrq)

40 There is NO SUCH THING AS A PRO-LIFE DEM. They get a large amount of money from the abortion industry and its off shoots, so if you are a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, you ARE funded by the money for killing babies. End of argument.

Posted by: J at December 22, 2009 12:34 PM (T3/qP)

41 The bill will go to conference to get Stupak AND some sort of public option or trigger added. The Dem Senate can be easily bought off to pass whatever. The House is too close to call on the abortion issue. Folks don't tend to compromise these principles.

Posted by: drfredc at December 22, 2009 12:41 PM (ljMiA)

42 Folks don't tend to compromise these principles.

I think a guy named Ben Nelson might beg to differ.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 22, 2009 12:50 PM (FCWQb)

43 My guess is Nancy will strong arm her caucus thorough a combination of bribes and promises to 'fix' things later that the House will suck it up and pass the Senate bill.

Without all the graft that was in their version? Seems hard to believe.

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 22, 2009 12:53 PM (XIXhw)

44 Without all the graft that was in their version? Seems hard to believe.

They'll just attach whatever deals they have to make to the next bill that comes along.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 22, 2009 01:01 PM (FCWQb)

45 Sorry, Drew, but you're an idiot. If the Republicans had screwed Stupak on the pro-life deal, he would have had no compunction screwing them on the whole bill, in return. Instead, with Republican support, Stupak won in the House. Now the question is, will he let Harry Reid screw him over. Because the Republicans supported him on his Amendment, they now have a lot more pull than they otherwise would have had. You are, in short, stuck on stupid on this one. You were wrong then, you were wrong now. At an absolute minimum, it cost the Republicans nothing to vote for Stupak's Amendment (because if defeating it would have caused Stupak to vote against the bill, then he's certainly going to vote against accepting the Senate version. And if Stupak would have voted for the bill even without his Amendment, then the Republicans, by their actions, will have reminded all pro-life voters that it's worthwhile to vote for a Republican, and worthless to vote for a Democrat.). Get over it.

Posted by: Greg Q at December 22, 2009 01:04 PM (87k2j)

46 I heard yesterday a R Senator predict that Nancy will likely force the dems to skip the reconciliation and approve the senate bill, thus ensuring it's on Obama's desk by early January. Seems likely, especially in light of her promise that the dems won't be forced to make any more tough votes.

Posted by: LAsue at December 22, 2009 01:06 PM (gIrH3)

47 They'll just attach whatever deals they have to make to the next bill that comes along.

I suppose. But the Senate might not go along in that case. Besides, I have a suspicion there are a lot of Democrats in the house who are looking for a credible reason to vote against this thing so they don't lose their seats next year. Nancy, the least able majority leader in memory, might have a hard time getting the unaltered Senate bill through her own caucus.

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 22, 2009 01:07 PM (XIXhw)

48 Nonsense. This crap is passing with all Dem votes after the usually wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Posted by: Hucklebuck at December 22, 2009 01:07 PM (/jOCG)

49 Oh, I forgot. Garments will be rent also.

Posted by: Hucklebuck at December 22, 2009 01:08 PM (/jOCG)

50 Greg,

Let's see, I wanted to put self-proclaimed pro-life Democrats to the test and you are willing to let them off that hook.

If you think Republicans have any pull over Stupak you're need to cut back on the spiked eggnog.

Stupak and his gang are going to do what they are going to regardless of what the Republicans do or say.

Again, Republicans gave up to 64 Democrats a free pass on a vote all in the name of preserving their NRTLC ratings.

The bill still likely would have passed but a hell of a lot of Democrats would be on record violating their stated position.

Oh and we were told that passing Stupak would mean it would be in the Senate bill. How's hat working out?

So in short passing Stupak got the Republicans...weaker abortion language and let Democrats off the hook.

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: DrewM. at December 22, 2009 01:15 PM (FCWQb)

51 How is Pelosi going to pick up yes votes? 64 House Democrats voted for Stupak-Pitts. She can't just cut it out.

Posted by: WTFCI at December 22, 2009 01:29 PM (GtYrq)

52 Drew, You wanted to "put self-proclaimed pro-life Democrats to the test", after self-proclaimed pro-life Republicans failed the test. If that's your idea of "brilliant", you're missing a few cans from your six-pack. In your scenario, the "pro-life Democrat" up for re-election gets to say "hey, i tried to get abortion funding out of the bill, but the Republicans stabbed us in the back, and let it pass." A claim that, BTW, would have the advantage of being true. So he would continue "so why vote for this supposed pro-life Republican opponent, when the Republicans weren't willing to stop abortion funding in the health care bill?" You're right, the Stupak language is not in the Senate bill. Which means you got your wish. The "pro-life Democrats" are now going to have to vote on a Health Bill that contains abortion funding. Just like you wanted. But they can't blame it on the Republicans, and if they vote in favor of it, the Republicans will have a field day against them, able to point out that pro-life Republicans really are pro-life, but "pro-life Democrats" aren't. An opportunity that would have been lost if they voted the way you wanted the first time. Here, let me make it really simple for you: If you had gotten what you wanted, there would be a health care reform bill with abortion funding in it, and it would have been the Republicans fault. As it is, the House is facing a vote on a health care bill with abortion funding in it, and it is entirely the fault of the Democrats. If you want the government to fund people's abortions, then this situation makes you more pro-Democrat. If you don't want tax dollars paying for abortions, and 76% don't, this makes you favor Republicans. Looks like a win to me. But to repeat: you got what you said you wanted. The Stupak Democrats are going to have to vote yes or no on a Health Care bill that includes abortion funding. They're just going to have to vote on it a month, or more, close to the next election. I don't see the downside in this. The upside is they can't blame the situation on pro-life Republicans

Posted by: Greg Q at December 23, 2009 11:09 AM (87k2j)

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