December 20, 2009
— Purple Avenger Five trains stopped running tunnel in the past two days stranding passengers for as long as 16 hours
Eurostar rail services were suspended for a second day on Sunday as the company investigated why six trains carrying more than 2,500 passengers broke down, five of them in an undersea tunnel linking Britain and France...I wonder what sort of technical faults having the tunnel openings covered with glaciers are going to cause? Stadials in the past have demonstrated onset with dramatic speed...like significant cooling during periods as short as only 10 or 20 years....technical faults caused by snow and sub-zero temperatures, Eurostar said.
U.N.P.R.E.C.E.D.E.N.T.E.D.
I give the system designers a B+.
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Posted by: Speller at December 20, 2009 09:26 PM (7Ldd7)
Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at December 20, 2009 09:26 PM (3IZGh)
Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at December 20, 2009 09:27 PM (3IZGh)
Posted by: 70's science at December 20, 2009 09:29 PM (2bmRi)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 09:30 PM (Q9fJG)
What we need are more coal fired, CO2 belching Steam Locomotives. Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 21, 2009 01:30 AM (Q9fJG)
Now we're talkin trains.
Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (3IZGh)
Posted by: PKO Strany at December 20, 2009 09:36 PM (1rQWu)
Posted by: theCork at December 20, 2009 09:43 PM (za8iP)
Today's weather is not the climate, the climate is not the weather.
Lot's and lot's of weather over a long period of time is the climate.
OK, having said that and furthermore believing that Anthropogenic climate change is total crap, I have to wonder who the Hell engineered or specified the equipment for the Chunnel.
It freezes almost every year in the UK and France.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at December 20, 2009 09:44 PM (F09Uo)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 09:47 PM (WCe8b)
The same people who came up with RoHS and essentially legislatively mandated the wave of electronics failures it will generate in 10 years or so due to tin whisker formation on solder joints -- IOW idiots.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 09:49 PM (Q9fJG)
We probably don't need a major volcanic eruption during a negative PDO phase. When Pinatubo erupted, we were in a positive PDO phase.
If Mayon lets loose with a Plinian eruption, we could be in for a pretty short summer and cold winter next year.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 09:50 PM (ZbLJZ)
There's also some research suggesting Krakatoa cooled deep ocean waters for several decades.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 10:02 PM (Q9fJG)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 20, 2009 10:04 PM (szk6k)
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 10:07 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 10:10 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 10:10 PM (yf/JJ)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 10:16 PM (Q9fJG)
By deep, I think those guys were probably referring to "not shallow". I don't imagine even a really kick ass ice age does much to the water at the bottom of the Marianas trench and really deep shit like that.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 10:21 PM (Q9fJG)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 20, 2009 10:22 PM (9Kvl0)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 10:22 PM (yf/JJ)
Meh, the hot fly ash always burned my eyes as I was leaning out the window to shoot buffalo.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 20, 2009 10:22 PM (iqPIL)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 10:24 PM (yf/JJ)
The temperature on the very bottom would give the best overall picture of global climate change.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 10:25 PM (ZbLJZ)
The temperature on the very bottom would give the best overall picture of global climate change.
Temperature would have to be 4 degrees C.
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2009 10:30 PM (LogZg)
"Last year, the Channel tunnel, which opened in 1994, was shut for two days after a large fire broke out on a freight train. A blaze in 1996 halted freight traffic for seven months."
Jesus Christ. I'd rather storm the beach at Normandy.
Posted by: BoutrosBoutros at December 20, 2009 10:31 PM (2BlP3)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 20, 2009 10:38 PM (9Kvl0)
I would be surprised if it is that high. I would expect it to be somewhere around 0 to -1 C. Sea water freezes at about -3 to -5 C depending on salinity and I would expect the water at the bottom of the ocean to only be just above freezing.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 10:41 PM (ZbLJZ)
Well if it's really deep, it would have to be at least 500,000 C.
(According to the Al Gore's theory of a mini sun at the center of the earth)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 20, 2009 10:52 PM (iqPIL)
But when you get deep:
"Abyssopelagic Zone - The next layer is called the abyssopelagic zone, also known as the abyssal zone or simply as the abyss. It extends from 4000 meters (13,124 feet) to 6000 meters (19,686 feet). The name comes from a Greek word meaning "no bottom". The water temperature is near freezing, and there is no light at all."
That isn't even the deepest part ...
"Hadalpelagic Zone - Beyond the abyssopelagic zone lies the forbidding hadalpelagic zone. This layer extends from 6000 meters (19,686 feet) to the bottom of the deepest parts of the ocean. These areas are mostly found in deep water trenches and canyons. The deepest point in the ocean is located in the Mariana Trench off the coast of Japan at 35,797 feet (10,911 meters). The temperature of the water is just above freezing"
Considering that freezing is -3 to -5 C for water of that salinity, I would expect to see something like -1 to -2 C at the bottom.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 20, 2009 10:56 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: Acer Laptops at December 20, 2009 11:43 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: torabora at December 21, 2009 12:15 AM (QFACg)
Posted by: torabora at December 21, 2009 12:24 AM (QFACg)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 21, 2009 12:25 AM (zmiSr)
Posted by: torabora at December 21, 2009 12:26 AM (QFACg)
Posted by: Case at December 21, 2009 12:32 AM (0K+Kw)
They're good for their word, right?
Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2009 01:29 AM (sYxEE)
Obama lies to us 200 times in the last 12 months but Sarah Palin wins for big lier.
Bullshit.
Posted by: Bill MItchell at December 21, 2009 03:02 AM (Gm9rd)
Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 21, 2009 03:19 AM (+deq6)
Posted by: sheik Yamani at December 21, 2009 03:22 AM (mhD2v)
Meanwhile they mentioned on Obama "lie" but it was some obscure thing left open to interpretation. How about "the healthcare debate will be held on CSPAN for all to see"? Or "if you pass this stimulus, unemployment will never go above 8%"?
Those whoppers get no mention.
Posted by: Bill MItchell at December 21, 2009 03:29 AM (Gm9rd)
Good morning, morons,
Looks like come Christmas Eve, we'll be well on our way to being a socialist/abjectly insolvent state.
Hey, I've got an idea, let's put a post and post and argue some more about a cartoon movie about fucking alien Smurfs
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at December 21, 2009 03:33 AM (AnTyA)
From Mitch McConnell's statement regarding the dead-of-the-night takeover vote by the socialists:
“But make no mistake: if the people who wrote this bill were proud of it, they wouldn’t be forcing this vote in the dead of night
“Here are just some of the deals we’ve noticed:
“$100 million for an unnamed health care facility at an unnamed university somewhere in the United States — the bill doesn’t say where — and no one will even step forward to claim it.
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at December 21, 2009 03:40 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: sheik Yamani at December 21, 2009 03:56 AM (mhD2v)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:09 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 21, 2009 04:09 AM (ucxC/)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:12 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: FPC at December 21, 2009 04:16 AM (qZb8X)
From what I could see in the article the problem with the trains had something to do with condensation resulting from moving from the cold, dry outside into the warmer tunnel. Something shorted out? If so, that seems like a pretty serious design oversight. It's not like there's every been a year in living memory when norther Europe didn't get fairly chilly outside during winter.
Design errors can happen anywhere, but I love it when the Euros de-pants themselves. They're such arrogants sonsabitches. The only thing that would make this more satisfying would have been if the designers were Germans - the most arrogant of all Euro engineers.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 21, 2009 04:17 AM (xUM1Q)
What we need are more coal fired, CO2 belching Steam Locomotives..P/A
Set on tracks across the coming ICE!!!
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:19 AM (kpGB9)
The National Science! Foundation has issued a $1.7 million grant over 3 years for undergraduate climate change education, "Climate, Adaptation and Mitigation e-Learning." Materials will be posted on a Peer Reviewed! website, The Encyclopedia of Earth. They don't give away much in the title, do they?
The beast has 7 heads and 7 tails, and each time you strike one off...
They don't have to convince you. They have your children all day long, and you pay them to do this.
Posted by: comatus at December 21, 2009 04:23 AM (/VEEI)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 21, 2009 04:28 AM (/Ft4q)
squid sightings off the coast of Alaska.
These people must believe that the public is totally stupid.
Well....maybe 52%
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 04:29 AM (QrA9E)
Since when is "condensation" a problem when things warm up?
Uhm..when it is pre-mature?
Or was that a real question?
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:30 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:33 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: The Party to Reunite Gondwanaland at December 21, 2009 04:39 AM (DrB2V)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 04:46 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: frosted fluffy at December 21, 2009 04:48 AM (4Kl5M)
Mmm! Frozen Eurotrash on a stick.
Eet ees orribal!!! Ve could not get into ze Deesco last night!
Posted by: EuroTrash Weenie at December 21, 2009 04:51 AM (DrB2V)
I have a strange suspicion that the remaining 97% looks quite similar to the first 3%.
Posted by: Dan F at December 21, 2009 04:51 AM (nyFP6)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at December 21, 2009 04:58 AM (PZLW0)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at December 21, 2009 05:00 AM (PZLW0)
Posted by: TheQuietman at December 21, 2009 05:01 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Acer Laptops at December 21, 2009 05:05 AM (xCBQ4)
DC Needs more snow, the people are safer when they are shutdown...
Funny how police stats bear that out. Take Maines CCP's and cold weather kept their murder rate to like 12 last year. And 3 were by guns, of people known to the victim.
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 21, 2009 05:12 AM (kpGB9)
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 21, 2009 05:52 AM (BFqyO)
Posted by: Jerry at December 21, 2009 05:58 AM (7Ahkq)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 21, 2009 06:09 AM (mV+es)
The Euro engineers couldn't anticipate condensation? The sad part is. I'm not really surprised. I feel bad for those people who have been spoon fed the AGW BULLSHIT only to freeze in a tunnel.
Something in the back of my head is telling me there is more to this than poor design...
Posted by: MelodicMetal at December 21, 2009 06:10 AM (x4S2a)
YES! Thank you! FINALLY! I have been saying this for years. RoHS solder is GARBAGE. Every single engineer I speak with agrees, but for some reason we are forced to use this fake solder that WILL FAIL. I can't imagine what kind of crisis this will cause. Never mind home PCs, but air traffic control equipment, and the like all use this crap. Stupid Eurons
Posted by: MelodicMetal at December 21, 2009 06:19 AM (x4S2a)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 21, 2009 06:21 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: Kevin at December 21, 2009 06:33 AM (SKrsq)
Jesus, God in Heaven I am starting a list of words I don't ever want to fucking hear again when the Dems get the shoe in the ass they so deserve.
GREEN is right at the top of that VERY long list.
Posted by: MelodicMetal at December 21, 2009 06:45 AM (x4S2a)
Posted by: Kevin at December 21, 2009 06:46 AM (SKrsq)
I've heard that water is densest at 4C. Thus, water that cold sinks to the bottom, displacing any water there which might not be quite so cold/dense.
If this were not the case, the oceans would freeze solid from thebottom up.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at December 21, 2009 06:50 AM (d0ih6)
To be fair, it's not going to be that personal. You don't get to show up and plead. Your doctor just looks at the list of what he's allowed to do to you and says, "Sorry, the unelected panel of non-physician bureaucrats says I can euthanize you or send you home with some aspirin."
I'd prefer the panels, you might get some women who feel bad after seeing your grandkids cry and let you have the pacemaker.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 21, 2009 06:51 AM (6USny)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 21, 2009 06:59 AM (rQCEd)
That is actually the goal of the eco-weanies. The eco movement is made up of three types of idiots. The real "concerned eco-idiots" who actually believe the bullshit is the smallest part of the overall group. The communists pushing fascism/comunism make up the largest part, however a significant portion are the luddite anarchists who want to see civilization collapse.
Every now and then the communists throws the anarchists a bone like the phony solder issue.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 07:00 AM (QrA9E)
And earlier and larger eruption of Krakatoa in 535AD is probably responsible for a period known as "The Dark Ages".
You mean, "exacerbated the catastrophic effects of the dysgenic fertility which had already led to the collapse of the Roman Empire a century before".
Tenney Frank is your friend.
Posted by: Dubious at December 21, 2009 07:46 AM (z4ZZc)
The real "concerned eco-idiots" who actually believe the bullshit is the smallest part of the overall group. The communists pushing fascism/comunism make up the largest part, however a significant portion are the luddite anarchists who want to see civilization collapse.
You're making a big mistake in assuming that there's a dime's worth of difference amongst the lot of 'em.
They're all nihilists whose goal is the eradication of the species Homo sapiens.
And when they're done with Homo sapiens, they'll turn their ire on all the other species, and they won't stop until Mother Earth is as barren as the surface of the moon.
Posted by: Dubious at December 21, 2009 07:49 AM (z4ZZc)
Wow, this guy's almost as insightful as our friend laptop-battery. Nike air max 90 shoe for co-blogger!
Posted by: Angry Beaver at December 21, 2009 08:00 AM (TwoVD)
Had to do some plumbing for my sis out in LaLay -- borrowed my bro-in-law's gear, but had to buy some solder...what a frickin' shock that was!!! The RoHS shit is just that...shit. Biggest PITA plumbing I've ever done...the solder just would not flow properly...found an old hardware store with 50/50pb on the shelf -- finished the job; like butta'!
Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2009 08:00 AM (DrB2V)
I had some ideas a couple of days ago on how to deal with this RoHS crap that I need to kick around with our materials guy next time I talk with him. We may be able to solve the whisker problem with a post processing step that "redesigns" the first few microns of the solder surface to suppress the ability of whiskers to start forming.
Obviously it will increase cost considerably...which would be good for us ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 21, 2009 08:09 AM (7b3Vx)
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Posted by: 70's science at December 20, 2009 09:25 PM (2bmRi)