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Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama will show the limits of his ability to attack unemployment as he hosts a job- creation summit at the White House today.

The forum will assemble economists, union heads and business leaders such as Eric Schmidt, chief executive officer of Mountain View, California-based Google Inc., and Fred Smith of Memphis, Tennessee-based FedEx Corp. With the nationÂ’s unemployment rate at a 23-year high of 10.2 percent, Obama will solicit feedback on job-creation proposals such as incentives to make homes more energy efficient, increased access to financing for small business and tax credits for companies.

Making homes more "energy efficient" creates jobs? I hope that none of these evil CEOs took private jets to this job creation sham.

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The forum will assemble economists, union heads

Strikes one and two.  I also assume Geithner will be there.  You're out.

3 http://tinyurl.com/yfvhqs6

Remember the ozone hole that was going to kill us all, back in the 80s?  Well, it's fixed.  And now it's contributing to GLOBAL WARMING!!!  AAAAIIIEEEEEE!!

You can't make this stuff up.  Oh, wait, yes you can.

4 I particularly enjoy the Geek vs. Taliban article.

What worries me the most, though, is that based on the Taliban tactics, it would take only a modicum of coordination of ambushes, car bombs, village reprisals, etc., to force Obama's hand and thereby return the country back to savagery.

Sigh.  Maybe the old dude wouldn't have been such a bad pick after all.

5 Stupid, dirty ol' sock.

6

Also:  What are the odds that six months from now we'll look back at this "summit" as the turning point to better times?

 

7

 union heads

Thug Summit?

8 Congress Scrambles to Extend Estate Tax Current Law Leaves Gap in 2010, but Vote Would Permanently Extend 45 Percent Tax Rate on Sums of $3.5 Million or More...Permanently extending the tax with a top rate of 45 percent on estates larger than $3.5 million would raise about $14 billion a year. However, it would raise less than current law over the next 10 years — an estimated $234 billion less. The lost revenue would be covered with increased borrowing...

..."I don't think death in and of itself should be a taxable event," said Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee. Camp said he is concerned that the $3.5 million exemption would not be indexed for inflation, meaning more and more estates would be subject to the tax in the future....

..."If you've got a smaller business that's much more service oriented, $3.5 million probably allows you to escape under the line," Patten said. "But if you have any kind of business that requires capital, then this puts your business at risk."

9 Whoops!

Here's link.

Congress Scrambles to Extend Estate Tax

10 What exactly do union heads know about creating jobs? 

Except for gummint, every union industry is losing jobs.

11 Follow the Fashion of Mrs. O--what and whom she's wearing

12 http://tinyurl.com/yewu2wd

Second look at Canada:  "This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen."

13 so I guess the dead are hit hardest

But they get to vote (Democrat), at least in Chicago, so it's not exactly taxation without representation...

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More from the job creation summit farce

Valerie Jarrett, a senior White House adviser, said the president “feels a sense of urgency” about unemployment and the summit is part of an “ongoing effort to jumpstart the economy and create jobs.” She said other forums would be organized around the country.

And all this sense of urgency has has done is release his inner community organizer.

An analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the stimulus generated between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs and lowered the nationÂ’s unemployment rate by between 0.3 and 0.9 percentage points, even as that rate rose into double digits.

600k-1.6 million number = bullshit.

15 "Acadamics" are also supposed to attend the jobs summit.  We all know how much awesomeness they contribute to the machinations of the private sector.

16 Obama is Retarded.  A General the HE APPOINTED says look you NEED at least 40K troops.  80K is better but you need 40K.  So what does Mr.  "compromise" do?  Sends 30K troops, and starts to bring them back just before 2012 elections.  Isnt that awesome?  So not only are we not going to get a fucking thing accomplished in Afghanistan, but he'll be boasting that he "Brought our boys home" when it would have made more sense to just bring them the fuck home NOW!  Jesus, God in heaven how the FUCK did this turd get into office?

17 Acadamics = academics

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stimulus generated between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs and lowered the nationÂ’s unemployment rate by between 0.3 and 0.9 percentage points

With precision like this, we should hire the CBO to do climate research.

19 Remember the ozone hole that was going to kill us all, back in the 80s?  Well, it's fixed.  And now it's contributing to GLOBAL WARMING!!!

Well, relax.  The hype in this article is based on the same sorts of projections that the scary global warming projections are based on.  Nobody really knows what will happen when the ozone hole is fully gone.

I'm just appalled at the lack of very basic science knowledge even in this article.

Atmospheric ozone, a chemical consisting of three oxygen molecules,

BZZT it's three oxygen ATOMS you idiot

Man-made chemicals like certain aerosol sprays and refrigerator coolants chemically react with ozone, creating new compounds that don't block out the radiation. While some of those chemicals are also greenhouse gases, their contribution to global warming is insignificant when compared with other greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, methane, and water vapor.

The "new chemicals" consist of, overwhelmingly, oxygen gas.  Oxygen gas is not a greenhouse gas.  And any hydrocarbon byproducts are chewed up by radiation at that level in the atmosphere, they won't contribute to global warming either.

You would think a guy assigned to report on ozone holes would actually know BASIC chemistry on the ozone decomposition itself.  You know, on the level of Wikipedia or something.  This guy is an absolute idiot.

20 14

Why doesn't the Grauniad columnist simply lobby the British government to go to a total 'green' economy unilaterally?  They can show us a total CO2 neutral economy with solid growth and lots of jobs and economic vitality and total Utopian perfection, giving us an example to live by.  Why must it be inflicted on all the world at once?

Because it's not about the environment.

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BRUSSELS – America's NATO allies have been strongly supportive of the administration's plans for the war in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama's envoy said Thursday, though some nations won't yet commit to contributing more of their own forces.

Doing nothing is the essence of strong support.

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You would think a guy assigned to report on ozone holes would actually know BASIC chemistry on the ozone decomposition itself. 

This is the fundamental reason that the MSM has ignored the Climaquiddick story:  "It involves time series statistical analysis."... .... ..... "So does that mean the polar bears will still drown?"

23 Because it's not about the environment.

Once enough people get this truth through their heads, the whole scam falls apart. We're getting closer to the magic number every day.

24 Oh, and Ditch Christmas to Save Teh Erf™!!

I feel sorry for anhedonic losers like Mary--no ability to feel pleasure or delight; no friends or family who can stand to be around them, even at Christmas--but maybe if they weren't nagging scolds determined to make everyone as miserable as they are, their lives would improve.

And y'all thought I was bitter and nasty.  *snicker*
 

25 Heaven Fucking Forbid they include any groups that represent small businesses...You know the group that provides most of the jobs!!

I'm sure we will get some craptastic shit sandwich shoved down our throats thought up by union thugs and college professors!!

What a fucking joke!  This nimrod has the least amount of private sector experience in his cabinet in the past century and he expects to "stimulate" the economy.  Isn't that what the "stimulus" that we had to have RIGHT NOW!!! was supposed to do?

Here's the chart from the American Enterprise Institute
http://blog.american.com/?p=7572

26 My uncle, a farmer for his whole working life, once said something about crops that seems apropos to the jobs issue. When I was a kid I said something like, "You make seeds grow!" He said, "No, nature makes the seeds grow. I just prepare the ground and make sure the plants stay healthy." That's always struck me as a very wise (and obvious) thing to say, and it applies as much to the government's role in the economy as to farming.

Democrats as a group often seem to think that the economy is a machine that the government built, and therefore can tinker with -- pulling levers here, pushing buttons there -- to increase efficiency. What they don't seem to understand is that the "economy" isn't some external force or process working on the body politic; it is the body politic. The "economy" is just people doing what people do. The "market" is just folks, buying and selling, trading, making deals. It was obvious even to Adam Smith lo these many years ago, but this simple fact always seems to escape the Democrats. The government does not confer the economy onto the people, and governmental attempts to control it inevitably lead to figurative asphyxiation or starvation (the death of the will to work).

The proper role of the government is to prepare the ground so that the economy may flourish; this means adjusting tax law, tort law, and regulations so that they do not strangle the businessman's motivation for going into business in the first place (i.e., to make money). Once that is done, all you can do is let nature (or the market) go to work.

27 Can we haz a moratorium on stories about Tiger Woods and his roaming pecker?

28 AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka is proposing a plan that would extend jobless benefits, send billions in relief to the states, open up credit to small businesses pour more into infrastructure porjects, and bring throngs of new workers onto the federal payroll at a cost of between $400 billion and $500 billion."

Oh, is THAT all?  Well sure!  Anything to ensure my re-election bid!  SUMMON THE GRAVY TRAIN!

29 BREAKING NEWS:  President Obama is missing...

http://is.gd/5basX



(Sorry, couldn't resist)...

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Don't worry, tomorrow, right after the unemployment numbers come out, Obama will announce his new plan 10-289 which will solve unemployment forever!

 

31 That is so 19th Century, Monty.  Hold on while I find my way-back machine.  Ok, there.  I see it.  Capitalism.

32 #32 You are exactly right Monty. Capitalism isn't a "theory" that can be applied at whim on a populace. Capitalism is the natural order of life and interaction between consenting human beings working in their own best interest. That's why they can't beat it.

33 And the global warming must really be going on down in D.C.  It's practically freaking winter, and our sartorialist First Lady is still prancing around in sleeveless frocks.

Remember, Barry's got the thermostat on 81...

34 Monty, you fool!  The proper role of government is to redistribute wealth from the greedy capitalists to the exploited poor!  If it wasn't for me, Microsoft and GE would have sold you into slavery by now.  Vote for me and I'll protect you.  Hop on the gravy train now!

35 THE thing to watch today is the Senate Confirmation hearing for Gentle Ben Bernanke

even the WSJ OP ED is anti Ben this morning

live feed here when it begins, will Dodd be hit by lightning as he acts like Ben is the bad guy?

36 Remember the ozone hole that was going to kill us all, back in the 80s?  Well, it's fixed.

There never was a "growing ozone hole".  That was just another fraud. There once was a graph of the ozone hole and its size over many decades over on the NASA web site.

After evil freon was banned from our air consditioners and new regulations went into effct causeing the repair of any A/C to cost ten times as much and after all of that what happened over several decades?.........

Nothing, the size of the hole never changed. That got noticied and people started talking about it.

NASA took the graph down.

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Mark Hess, public affairs director, Goddard Space Flight Center, GISS laboratory, in today's Washington Times:

“…unfamiliar with the British controversy and couldn't say whether NASA was susceptible to the same challenges to its data”

Does NASA keep it’s public affairs director in a cave, or is he one of those “I’m well informed I read the whole NY Times every day intellectualoids”? Or am I just repeating myself?

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Remember the ozone hole that was going to kill us all, back in the 80s?  Well, it's fixed.  And now it's contributing to GLOBAL WARMING!!!  AAAAIIIEEEEEE!!

Jeez, I thought you were kidding.  At least some of the commenters are calling out the popsci jackass.

39

There once was a graph of the ozone hole and its size over many decades over on the NASA web site.

It was always there.

40 Hole in the ozone? Puh-leeze. Everybody knew DuPont's patent on Freon R-12 was expiring. And now, you know the rest of the story.

41 @18 MelodicMetal

Obama is Retarded.  A General the HE APPOINTED says look you NEED at least 40K troops.  80K is better but you need 40K.  So what does Mr.  "compromise" do?  Sends 30K troops, and starts to bring them back just before 2012 elections.

I mean this sincerely and not as snark:  There is plenty of evidence (57 states, 10,000 killed in the tornado, etc.) of the kenyan princess' innumeracy, and it is possible that he thinks that 30k splits the difference between 40k and 80k.

In my first job, I worked with a person who had great difficulty associating numbers with things in the real world.  This person was disciplined enough to be able to do arithmetic and get through life by working through things methodically but could not quickly picture the difference between a dozen and a million.

Now, imagine that same mental handicap in a slacker piece of shit who thinks of himself as the smartest guy ever to walk the earth.  Is it such a stretch to think this retard puts 30k between 40k and 80k?

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Does NASA keep itÂ’s public affairs director in a cave...

Reminder:  This is the agency that created a sizable crater on Mars because they didn't know which (TWO not a hundred) standards of measurement to use.

43 unfamiliar with the British controversy and couldn't say whether NASA was susceptible to the same challenges to its data”

NASA has already been forced to eat their data once by McEntyre. That is after he somehow got some of their data and started reporting errors.

NASA had refused to release their calculations by McEntyre back fit some of their stuff and said it did not add up. After that NASA said yes there were errors and blamed it on a Y2K fix.

Coincidentally they had been on the same "hottest" decade ever meme with the other warmies and had to retract that. NOAA continues to use the PiltdownMann cherry-picked data and push that same meme.

44

Now, imagine that same mental handicap in a slacker piece of shit who thinks of himself as the smartest guy ever to walk the earth.  Is it such a stretch to think this retard puts 30k between 40k and 80k?

His press secretary once said $100 million is a lot of money and days later said that $800 billion was not a lot of money.  So maybe you are on to something.

45 No, Vic, that's not true.  There really was an "ozone hole", and still is to some extent.  It was not nearly as scary as it was hyped in the media (i.e. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE OF SKIN CANCER!!111111!!!!!!).  But there really was a reduction in the concentration of ozone around Antarctica.  And here's the big difference between the ozone hole and global warming: the reactions between CFCs and ozone can actually be verified in the laboratory.  Global warming?  Not so much.

46 It was always there.

Yep, but the last time I checked it was gone.  Perhaps they have had time to "doctor" it and put it back up.

47 NASA ozone hole website:

http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/

48 No, Vic, that's not true.  There really was an "ozone hole"....

I didn't say there wasn't a hole. What the long term trend showed was that there was no change in the size before AND after the Freon ban.

The long term trend was a constant oscillation with the passing of seasons. If you drew a line through the oscillation there was no change in the overall trend.

49 Obama Ecstasy pills hit the streets

They look like children's vitamins (hi, I'm a middle-aged square with no party drug experience...).  I'm surprised no one started marketing Obama children's vitamins last year during the Obama's-face-on-everything craze.  _{Why do I only have these beautiful capitalist-pig profit-grubbing ideas after the fads die?!?}

50 You can't stop the signal, Al.

51 14 http://tinyurl.com/yewu2wd

Second look at Canada:  "This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen."

Posted by: FUBAR at December 03, 2009 09:41 AM (ZvKgM)

Well...that's not something you see everyday -- Canada described as a "thuggish petro-state." Even in the context of George Monbiot's usual feverishly demented bullshit, that's a prize specimen of insanity. But I suppose Georgie-poo is feeling a tad stressed out these days, with his little fantasy world collapsing around him and all.

52 And yet, the Queen remains pampered in her palace:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652

$1,256,770.00 paid to keep one woman, the First Lady,  in the style of enormous luxury could be used towards helping the troops defeat radical Islamists.

Maybe Moderate-Centrists, along with famous pork-buster and prominent bloggers the Reynolds, Morrisseys, Allahpundits and so many other great FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE-SOCIALLY LIBERAL thinkers can take on this massive pork abuse?

The all-mighty Moderate-Centrist pork-busters did a fabulous job taking down the Republican porkers, when will they get around to taking down the multitude of Democrat-porker-fatter-that Repblicans?

Since Moderate-Centrist call all the shots, what will they do about this?

I do hope it won't be more bitching about social conservatives not supporting gay-marriage or abortion or whatnot..

 

53 I didn't say there wasn't a hole. What the long term trend showed was that there was no change in the size before AND after the Freon ban.

That's not true either.  Before the ban, the minimum amount of ozone followed a nearly linear trend with each year.  After the ban, there is only a slight decrease, with the minimum ozone value leveling off.  It is true that it's not going up.  But there is a substantial difference pre-ban and post-ban.  Now you are right if you say that it doesn't PROVE that banning freon caused the change.  But we have the additional verification in the lab that reactions of freon & their cousins really do decompose ozone so it lends strong credibility to this claim.

54 Before the ban, the minimum amount of ozone followed a nearly linear trend with each year.

It's a nearly linear DECREASING trend with each year.  Sorry for not making that clear.

55 JWF has something up about speculation that James Hansen might be the leaker of the emails. Interesting...

56

@46

From the same Washington Times article...

The White House has dismissed the British e-mails as irrelevant.

"Several thousand scientists have come to the conclusion that climate change is happening. I don't think that's anything that is, quite frankly, among most people, in dispute anymore," press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters this week.

Isn't that just precious?

57 Several thousand scientists have come to the conclusion that climate change is happening.

Sure.  Climate is constantly changing.  I spent the whole summer looking at rocks carved by glaciers that melted ten thousand years ago...

But just because there is change doesn't mean cars or light bulbs or Christmas is causing it, Gibbs, you clueless catbox nugget.

58

Just your typical, privately funded organization, fight for liberal values and the realities - yes, the realities - of global warming.

http://tinyurl.com/yhtc8af

*You're sure?!  NASA?  F--k, I blew that one.*

via Instapundit

59 Isn't that just precious?

It is.  It's amusing to see them go into bunker mentality mode over Climategate.  The truth is, they do have a point: even if you throw out all of the CRU data, there is still evidence of global warming elsewhere.  The problem is, Climategate really strikes at the heart of the integrity of the climate science profession itself, rather than the data.  They don't realize this.  They want you to believe "so what if they were trying to 'hide the decline', global warming is still REAL and WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!1111!111!!!"  But what they don't realize is that if people no longer have faith in the integrity of the scientists, then they aren't going to be persuaded by these outlandish claims despite what the data say.

60 The trouble with the ozone hole matter is the technology to detect the hole and the technology to possibly create or enlarge the hole overlap in time pretty heavily. We have no data, to my knowledge, regarding the hole that goes back to previous centuries. We would need that to better see what was going on. We made a better-safe-than-sorry guess, and I bet plenty of unsavory folks were pushing for that guess and didn't give a rat's ass about ozone holes.

61 Chemjeff

I really don't care what it does in the lab. I know what I saw on that graph on the NASA site. IT DID NOT CHANGE.

Do you have a new graph link from someone we can trust???

As for the "evidence" of global warming at other locations all of the high level discussion that I have seen for that say that there has been no global warming for a long time, possibly even longer than the current publicized date of 1998.

The Data that shows global warming from all the major players is currently being refuted as either "chery-picked" proxy data or raw temperature measurements that have been fudged to make it look like we are warming.

There is no warming at the present time.

62

Evil is not overcome by fleeing from it, Mr. President.

Like teachers telling you to just walk away from the bullies.  Remember how well that worked?

63 I have not seen any convincing evidence of global warming, man-made or not. These processes take time to work. If we are in the early stages of another Medieval Warm period we are unlikely to recognize it until we are deep within it. Our science just ain't that good. The only sure and certain proof of global warming is vineyards once again thriving in England. Until that happens, and Lord it would be great if it did, I say bullbuttpuke to AGW and GW.

64

@66 Very.  Gibbs has apparently un-learned one of the most important lessons of the spokeshole profession - if you really don't know what you are talking about, say so and get out of there.  You loose any credibility you may have when you spout such nonsense.  I happened to see a clip of Gibbs responding to Jake Tapper on the criticism by Rumsfeld, and rather than saying the obvious - I don't have any specifics to back up the President's speech but they are out there and I will get them (according to Adm Mullen, no dismissed requests under Rumsfeld, one under current Sec Gates), he launches into a ridiculously non-sensical non-answer. At one point Tapper bitingly remarked that Gibbs' answer was "cute".

Amateur hour or evil clowns?

65

... and in other news:

I still want to launch Algore out of a Clown-Cannon.

66

So Huck, there will be a safety net when he lands, right?

Right?

67

Making homes more "energy efficient" creates jobs? I hope that none of these evil CEOs took private jets to this job creation sham.

Posted by: TheQuietman at December 03, 2009 09:29 AM (1Jaio)

Yeah, they are paying people to go to your house and check out it's efficiency along with minor fixes. They actually require it if you are applying for state heating aid now. They came to my house. They left a bunch of CFC light bulbs and did an air flow check to look for leaks. Then they put silicone sealant everywhere.

No biggie until I went to open the hatch to my attic. The fucking idiots had sealed my attic shut.

68
No biggie until I went to open the hatch to my attic. The fucking idiots had sealed my attic shut.

You don't need access to your attic, citizen.

69

Second look at Canada:  "This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen."

O, Canada!

That article damn near brought tears of joy to my eyes.

 

 

For the first time in my life, I'm proud of those halfbreed frog snowbillies.

Now ditch the gay maple leaf and bring back the Red Ensign! And change the national anthem to Slayer - Reign in Blood

70

The fucking idiots had sealed my attic shut.

Sorry Rocks, but I really did LOL when I read that!

71

78 / HH:

Actually, I figure 2 safety nets, and 2 clown-cannons. Set at each end of the stadium to facilitate rapid reloading. Gonna make a mint on the tickets.

... ps: I'm outa here. Going to NC for a friends USMC retirement (30 yrs, E-9) back Sunday.

72 I really don't care what it does in the lab. I know what I saw on that graph on the NASA site. IT DID NOT CHANGE.

I don't know what data you are looking at, but I'm looking at this:

http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ meteorology/ annual_data.html

(mind the spaces)

If you plot the minimum annual ozone concentration vs. year, you'll see a sharp decline up to around 1988-ish, and then a leveling off with only a slight decline up to the present day.

You get the same general trend if you plot ozone hole size, average annual ozone concentration, etc.

I bring up the laboratory experiments because it's a key distinction between the ozone hole controversy and the global warming nonsense.   In the case of the ozone hole, we could replicate the phenomenon quantitatively in the laboratory without having to rely on supposedly predictive models that are extrapolated beyond their level of usefulness.  When it comes to global warming, all we have are the models.

73 Then they put silicone sealant everywhere.

No biggie until I went to open the hatch to my attic. The fucking idiots had sealed my attic shut.

Bunch of morons.

I LOL'd too.

74 eman I agree that the Montreal Protocol was a big win for the environmentalist collectivist communist left.  Their momentum from that victory propelled them into the current global warming crusade.  But I think they were actually right on the science on that one.  It's a lot more overwhelming than the case for man-made global warming.

75 I love this whole CFL thing, no one is bringing up the fact that they contain mercury which is bad for the landfills.  Ten years from now you are all going to be fined for having those environmentally dangerous lights in your house, and the lawsuits will go on forever (how long has it been since we have manufactured asbestos in this country, or put it in new products?)

76

http://tinyurl.com/yhexczu

Go the post at 10:23.  Geebus!

77 I don't know what data you are looking at, but I'm looking at this:

What I was looking at before was an actual trend graph of the hole size over many decades. It did not show a change. That graph disappeared.

Looking at those two tables it doesn't look like the actual size of the hole has changed. (That is without plotting it on a trend line). It continues to oscilate.

In any case, I am not sure I trust NASA anymore after what they pulled with the AGW numbers.

78

Lawson and Lomborg kick enviro-fundie ass in Toronto AGW debate. [Elizabeth May is the "leader" of Canada's leftist Green Party for those who have never heard her name before. Which, of course, is all of you.]

79 chemjeff, yeah, I followed the chemistry of the ozone degradation pretty closely back in the day, and you could easily see how the halogenated hydrocarbons destroyed ozone in the upper atmosphere. It was catalytic, too, if I remember right. (This was the big fear-maker). My point concerns the lack of historical data. What was the history of the hole? Was it recent and never seen before, likely linking it to modern chemicals? Or was it something that came and went overtime, likely disconnecting it from modern chemicals?

80 #87 - my town sent out a letter saying don't put bad CFLs in the trash; call Waste Management and they will come and pick it up.  We called;  up they drove, on a day they are not in our neighborhood, in a full-sized diesel garbage truck.  I walked out, handed him the bulb, and off he drove, smoke billowing.  I felt so green.  Next time I'll snap a pic, it is really too ridiculous for mere words.

81

We called;  up they drove, on a day they are not in our neighborhood, in a full-sized diesel garbage truck.  I walked out, handed him the bulb, and off he drove, smoke billowing. 

This anecdote is, in essence, the entire Copenhagen enterprise.

82 motionview @93

That's beautiful.  I love it.  Unless they charged you a fee for the pickup...

83

Go the post at 10:23.  Geebus!

Rushbabe, are you talking about the Transflight delay story?

84

For the first time in my life, I'm proud of those halfbreed frog snowbillies.

And now you've brought tears to my eyes, Entropy. I luvs youse guys.

BTW, anyone have any more rye? I just finished my breakfast 26er.

85

my town sent out a letter saying don't put bad CFLs in the trash; call Waste Management and they will come and pick it up.  We called;  up they drove, on a day they are not in our neighborhood, in a full-sized diesel garbage truck.  I walked out, handed him the bulb, and off he drove, smoke billowing.  I felt so green.  Next time I'll snap a pic, it is really too ridiculous for mere words.

Geez, no wonder the Lefties are so schizophrenic.

86 Three fun-with-language facts:

#1 The words race car spelled backwards says race car.

#2 Eat is the only word that if you take the 1st letter
and move it to the last, it spells it's past tense,
'ate'.

#3 If you rearrange the letters in 'illegal immigrants',
and add just a few more letters, it spells out: 'Go
home you free-loading, benefit grabbing, kid producing,
violent, non English speaking assholes and take those
other hairy faced, sandal wearing, bomb making, goat
loving, raggedy bastards with you.

87

What was the history of the hole? Was it recent and never seen before, likely linking it to modern chemicals? Or was it something that came and went overtime, likely disconnecting it from modern chemicals?

I recall Steven Milloy of junkscience.com pointing out that we only became aware of the hole in the ozone layer once our instruments became sensitive enough to detect lower levels of ozone.

So it could have been there for a million years prior and we wouldn't have known about it, because we couldn't analyze atmospheric ozone well enough to know before 1980 (or whatever the date was when detection improved enough to discover the hole) and whether it was normal or not.

88

#2 Eat is the only word that if you take the 1st letter and move it to the last, it spells it's past tense, 'ate'.

Does "shit" and "hits" not count, sort of?

89 96

Go the post at 10:23.  Geebus!

Rushbabe, are you talking about the Transflight delay story?

Posted by: katya at December 03, 2009 11:22 AM (5bq2g)

Yeah.  Had you heard about this?

90

Go the post at 10:23.  Geebus!

Rushbabe, are you talking about the Transflight delay story?

Posted by: katya at December 03, 2009 11:22 AM (5bq2g)

Yeah.  Had you heard about this?

No.  Geez, send this to Ace or Gabe or someone.  It's ridiculous that our obsession with being friendly and pc is keeping this story quiet.

91 Remember the ozone hole that was going to kill us all, back in the 80s?  Well, it's fixed.  And now it's contributing to GLOBAL WARMING!!!  AAAAIIIEEEEEE!!

Jeez, I thought you were kidding.  At least some of the commenters are calling out the popsci jackass.

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I was kidding, my fellow Morons.  I guess my humor is more sub-tell than I thought.  But the whole ozone thing reminds me of something that really, seriously pisses me off about liberals.  They come up with fucking retarded doomsday crap, and then they feed that crap to school kids.  And a lot of school kids worry themselves out of their minds about this stupid, stupid crap. 

Which reminds me, the other day I was watching the Disney Channel and fantasizing about getting Hannah all alone in Montana, and they have a commercial for "Disney Green."  Urging kids to go to their web site so they can "reg[ister] and pledge."  It's fucking shameless, preying on the gullibility fears of kids like that.

I remember worrying about the ozone hole.  And the poor Indian crying over all the trash - I believe that "Indian" was from Chicago, surprise, surprise.  We were going to be buried in 100 ft. of trash, all over the world.  And we were all going to freeze because of global cooling.  And get cancer from the ozone hole.  But one thing we didn't have to worry about: the Soviets and their nukes.  Nope, they were some friendly SOBs, and that damned Ronnie Raygun was trying to start a war.

If there was nothing else, I would irrevocably hate liberals for this kind of crap.

92 Well said, Gabe.

93

In the case of the ozone hole, we could replicate the phenomenon quantitatively in the laboratory without having to rely on supposedly predictive models that are extrapolated beyond their level of usefulness

Um... no.

There's theories out there that dispute the anthropogenic element of ozone depletion nonsense. Sure, ozone may have depleted, but that doesn't mean it was CFCs.

One of the big ones, freon... oh yeah, sure. It eats away ozone.

It's also heavier then air and does not float. And the ozone... well she's a fair bit up there. If you change your own freon in your driveway you need to vacate the damn area for 30 minutes cuz the shit will sit there in an invisible cloud and poison you.

94 @ 99 WalrusRex-

Outstanding work, have forwarded it 'round the country. Thanks for the smile.

95

Second look at Canada:  "This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen."

Oh, yah, we're badass, eh.

 

96 Entropy @ 107, just because freon is heavier than air doesn't mean that it will never reach the ozone layer.  For instance, most components in perfumes are heavier than air, but you are still able to smell them (i.e. the molecules can waft UP to your nose).  At equilibrium freon will settle to the bottom, but the Earth is not at equilibrium.  Furthermore, the same problem that you illustrate - gases displacing oxygen and therefore killing people - happens with ALL gases, even ones that are lighter than air.  Go ahead and release a helium or nitrogen tank all at once, stand next to it and see if you don't suffocate.  The problem isn't that the gas is lighter or heavier than air, the problem is that you have a vast quantity of gas all in one place that hasn't had a chance to dissipate yet.

And I will agree with you that it cannot be PROVEN, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the Antarctic ozone hole is/was caused by CFCs.  That question cannot be answered by science at all.  But the body of evidence is quite overwhelming on this point, and is far, far stronger than any of the AGW evidence that's been presented so far.

And what I mean by "quantitative" is that we could measure in the lab the severity of the problem, i.e., we could state with some certainty that X amount of CFCs are able to decompose Y amount of ozone.  Contrast this with the AGW nonsense about 350 ppm CO2 being the "tipping point" of climate armageddon - that number is, more or less, pulled out of thin air, and not based on quantitative laboratory measurement.

97 A little bit of daylight  between Mann and Jones?  Also, notice Mann's focus on the emails.  The real scandal, as Mann well knows, is in the software and the programmer's comments. 

98 Believe it or not, I'm walking on air...

99 A little bit of daylight  between Mann and Jones?  Also, notice Mann's focus on the emails.  The real scandal, as Mann well knows, is in the software and the programmer's comments. 

Posted by: motionview at December 03, 2009 01:20 PM (DtSf1)

yeah, Phil is defintely the desginated fall guy. Mann is focusing on the emails because he knows that's the only thing which could actually land him in jail.

100

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but does this scare anybody else as much as it does me?

http://tinyurl.com/ykayyfc

 

101 Ha! Gore canceled his lecture with $1200 handshakes in Copenhagen.
Looks like he probably doesn't want to be facing any questions from the public about now. Hmm, I wonder why?

102 Actually Al Bore probably wants to avoid it because it is beginning to appear that Copenhagen will be a massive failure. 4 of the most populous countries are threatening to walk out and everyone knows that Bambi hasn't got a chance in hell of getting any kind of a treaty ratified.

103 Oh, I so hope one of the bloggers here boosts the post wherein Mann says "I never even SAW these assholes before".

("I dinnae think he'll listen, lad" -- Eric the Red)

104 From the "WTF is this Florida" wires...

Valerie Jarrett talks to Meredith Viera about the "Jobs Summit" and mentions all the participants that will be there except for one, industry.

http://is.gd/5brs1

105

Hillary walks back Obama's `hard' deadline:

“The July 2011 date is the date on which we begin to transfer authority and responsibility to Afghan security forces,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, before adding that “the pace, the size of the drawdown, is going to be determined in a responsible manner based on the conditions that exist at the time.”

Emphasizing that the Afghans are to take more and more responsibility for their own security, Mrs. Clinton said, “So it is not contradictory to set a date certain, yet to condition it on the reality that we confront at that time.”

106 Yeah, so the Unions will be well represented? How about this one. My kid that went to a UPS interview in LA CA was told he needed to join the Union for a 20 day 8 buck an hour package slinger job at LAX. Merry Xmas morons.

107 I know that CJ is in full Dan Rather denial mode, but surely that nerd fight news between Piltdown Mann and "Professor" Jones must make him cry.

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