1 First?

2 Woo!

3 3rd, beyotches

4 Good morning, M & Ms. Yeah, our congress has disappointed us yet again, but keep your chins up; if teeny-tiny Georgia can send troops to Afghanistan, we can keep fighting here, too.

5

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today took shots at those who are not supporting the health care legislation. During a floor speech, he excoriated Senate GOP members for up holding the pending health care bill and accused their supporters of being birthers and fanatics in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups. He started off by citing an editorial from the Manchester Journal Inquirer, which used insults like "lunatic fringe."

He's just pissed because he didn't get a bribe from Barry's stash.

6

I've never shared my thoughts before, but I think the time has come.  I just emailed the following to my Senator:

Senator Landrieu,

About 40 years ago as a very naive 20-something, I was gang-raped by a group of 'friends'.  At the time I blamed myself for allowing myself to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.  It's what one did at that time.

Well, all of the pent up anger and rage of forty years has just been unleashed.  I've worked my entire life, paying my fair share, doing the right thing, providing for my future and that of my children and grandchildren.  Today, I feel that I have again been gang-raped, again by people I should have been able to trust...the elected representatives of the people of the United states. 

Rest assured, I will spend the remainder of my life fighting as hard as I can to remove these 'trusted representatives' from a position to ever rape a citizen again.

Sen. Landrieau, you may feel that by the time you're up for re-election, we will have forgotten your treachery.  I haven't forgotten that first rape forty years ago, I believe I will remember this one for a long time.

7 The daily tracking poll isn't out yet this morning but there is some good stuff over at the Rasmussen site.

8 Battle Hymn of the Republic?

This calls for some Johnny Horton...

Sink the Bismarck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KecIdlEAKhU

North to Alaska (IYKWIMAITYD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSt0NEESrUA

9 Hard to keep it civil this morning. Just reminding folks that Massachusetts has a Senate seat up for grabs in January. I may have mentioned that.

10 I regret to say that the talk on this website about Anthropogenic Continental Drift (ACD) misses the point.  Nature, Earth, Gaia (whatever you want to call her) does not mind Continental Drift - she started it, and it is the natural state of affairs.  What she minds is mankind's alteration of the relative balance of drift among the continents, or Anthropogenic Continental Drift Change (ACDC).  As reported in the most recent edition of the Journal of Anthropogenic Continental Drift Change (JACDC, pronounced "Jack-Dack" for you Noobs), the extraction of oil from locations in the Middle East at a pace far exceeding that undertaken in other areas of the globe, has (in Pierre-reviewed computer models) resulted in scenarios in which the drift of the Middle East has slowed to a standstill, while the drift of other continental bodies has accelerated by a fraction.  Evenly-spread oil exploration and extraction could slow or halt that trend.  Contrary to some reports, this well-funded well-founded plan is not driven by a desire to "Drill everywhere, drill now," but by a perfectly acceptable desire to avoid a circumstance in which the developed continents crash into the less developed continents at (relatively speaking, for continents) high speed, causing the poorer, browner people of the world to be sent careening from their huts or other abodes.

The sciencieness is settled.

11 God Bless cathie

12 ACDC? I'd subscribe to that newsletter.

13 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today took shots at those who are not supporting the health care legislation.

Rhode Island; the same state of nits that elected Patches Kennedy.

14 I think the funniest thing about the bribery that drives assent to ObamaCare is that no one is willing to take credit for the $100 million mystery hospital pork.  I doubt that the reticence arises from shame; more likely it is engendered by a desire to hide low price for for which the guilty party can be bought.

15 Bechtel was just on FN and said...."little secret"
"A lot of conservative dems. are retiring so they will vote for it.".......Isn't that nice that they can screw America before they go home to their
cushy lives.......
.....Congress and all their friends have nothing to lose......Pox on all of them......

16 Rhode Island; the same state of nits that elected Patches Kennedy. Posted by: Captain Hate at December 21, 2009 09:13 AM (2Uu3I) I love Rhode Island, but other than Buddy Cianni ( ok so he is a felon ) , their politicians are morons.

17
It's coming.

18 The Barackalypse.

19 Good morning, comrades!  Its Morning in Socialist Amerika!  Years from now, we will look back on what transpired in the wee hours of 12/21/09 with great pride and satisfaction.  The New December Revolution.  The great capitalist Satan has been flipped to glorious European Socialism, thanks to the dedication of 60 National Socialist heros, and of course, the Awesomeness of Chairman Maobama.  Hail!

On a more mundane level, those of you looking for work, and those tired of busting your stones for the Man, please note: Your Awesome National Socialist Government is hiring, with salaries averaging over 100k and generous cradle to grave benefits.  That is all.

20 "A lot of conservative dems. are retiring so they will vote for it."

Beckle is a lying CS. There are no "conservative Dems" and the vote on this bill proves it.

21 I'm still trying to figure out how health care was in crisis. Don't we have enough doctors to go around?

22 As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free....

23 I'm still trying to figure out how health care was in crisis. Don't we have enough doctors to go around?

To quote Jim Treacher "As Obama says, if you're happy with your doctor, you get to keep your doctor.  Unless they decide to stop BEING a doctor."

24

Well sheeiiit Tom, thanks for the Horton link. Hadn't heard some of that in years.

Interesting thing about Horton. His wife, when he died, was the widow of Hank Williams Sr.

25 Tom, how can you link Horton with out the Battle of 1814?

26 Locus, watch the link. The song will come up. Just click and you will receive.

27 I have to think that Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest of the B-plussers out there realize that they are screwed in 2010 and beyond. If having Barry in the WH, a majority in Congress and a fully compliant media still leaves them scrambling to find a message, one must assume that they are unwilling to defend both what they've done so far and what they plan to do in the future.
By maligning conservatives and dragging out racial hatred memes to inflame the ignorant, they expose the paucity of their own philiosophy. I hope the Lefty chumps enjoy their brief window of power, because they are about to be shoved back into  whatever hole they crawled out of.

28

23 To quote Jim Treacher "As Obama says, if you're happy with your doctor, you get to keep your doctor.  Unless they decide to stop BEING a doctor."

We are going to end up with two classes of doctors.  Those who want to make money and won't treat the government insured.  And those doctors who will treat the government insured patients.  They get their MD from some third world country.  They are happy to make a minimal sum.  It is just another government job for them and they will be called a doctor.

29

Bribes, bribes, and more bribes using taxpayer money. It's the Chicago Way.

 

30 So don't the Senate and House now have to get together to actually create a bill to be signed by the prez? My understanding is that all this has just been preliminary.

31 — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

32 Battle of New Orleans
http://tinyurl.com/ceslks

33 Seems Johnny Cash also made a version himself.  Not quite the same.
http://tinyurl.com/ycxfd54

34 Hugs Cathie.

35

Bribes, bribes, and more bribes using taxpayer money and the threat of ending up at the bottom of the Chicago river. It's the Chicago Way.

 

Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at December 21, 2009 09:38 AM (AnTyA)

Added a little local spice for you.

36 1 if by land
2 if by treachery

37 Sinse I aR dokter now, Eye wil be of fix teh glawkoma. Skripps by emale reddy fur yo nowe.

38

23 To quote Jim Treacher "As Obama says, if you're happy with your doctor, you get to keep your doctor.  Unless they decide to stop BEING a doctor."

Silly conservative!  Don't you know that healthcare is a right?  And because it's a right, that means we have a right to force doctors to provide their services to whoever needs them.  Slavery?  Don't be ridiculous!  We'll provide food, clothing, and shelter for them all.  Why, if they provide extra good service, we might even let them sleep in the big house!  Just keep telling yourself it's for the good of the community until your misgivings go away.

39 Hard to keep it civil this morning.

True, that.  ace, says he doesn't want the EXXXXXTREME anger being voiced, so let me just say that I am 95% angry enough to say something ban-worthy, and let my silence the next few days speak for itself.

40

I hate to be the one to bring this up but, it looks like the virgin gaia is experiencing a global warming deficit, especially in the North East U.S., and Europe.  It has been discovered that this deficit is being caused by an catastrophic imbalance in the methane to carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and it is thereby necessary to seek to limit the spread of methane producing products such as beans, boiled cabage, cauliflower and other products of this nature by placing an immediate triple tax on this items.

Further, citizens of the virgin gaia are being asked to burn your methane and for this reason, all citizens of gaia will be issued lighters.

Remember, if you have burn marks on the seat of your pants, you are a good citizen of gaia.

41 Boy Disgusted to Find Senate Health Care Bill Next to Rat's Head in Holiday Sausage: tinyurl.com/yft694z

42 I want to know what the "National Health Service" is that Harkin mentioned last night.

I have this suspicion that any doctors who owe money on student loans are going to be conscripted.

43 Hey, if you can't say anything in earnest without breaking laws against incitement, you can always go for sarcasm, snark, and the cheap laugh. 

44 Well, since China and the rest of the world is no longer buying our Treasuries, I'm sure we're one step closer to economic collapse. And if we completely collapse, well, there won't be money for DeathCare.

Cloward-Piven in action baby.

45

I have this suspicion that any doctors who owe money on student loans are going to be conscripted.

And I have a suspicion those student loans are going to become much more difficult to pay off.

46 9 Hard to keep it civil this morning.
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2009 09:09 AM (4Kl5M)   You and me both. I work with a bunch of leftist Chavezistas. They are bemoaning the health care bill as well; for entirely different reasons of course. I would like to go to HR to complain that I'm subjected to a hostile work environment. Serenity now.....

47 Well, I tried to call Lieberman and tell him that he needs to withhold his cloture vote until CT gets the same deal as NE, but the mailbox is full, and the staff line is busy.  I'll keep trying throughout the day.

If we can get enough Dems to hold out for the Full Nelson, then the bill's cost will explode and they will be at least delayed.

48 I have this suspicion that any doctors who owe money on student loans are going to be conscripted.


Well sure. If you take government money, you take the government conditions. Just ask the TARP recipients.

Of course, that logic doesn't apply to anyone with a degree that ends in "studies".

49 Posted this at Hot Air too: I’m reminded of this quote from Yamamoto at the conclusion of Tora! Tora! Tora! after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor: “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” Hopefully everyone is awake NOW!

50

Lacey: I once told a coworker the statistic of Canada having fewer MRI machines than Pittsburgh. Her response: "So, it's a matter of one place having too many ... "

In the immortal words of Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Welp, we're boned."

51 Wow, Cathie.  Just wow.

52 30 So don't the Senate and House now have to get together to actually create a bill to be signed by the prez? My understanding is that all this has just been preliminary.

Posted by: HH at December 21, 2009 09:39 AM (+jvXp)

There are two possibilities: (1) the Senate bill is sent to the House for a vote and then given to Obama or (2) there is a conference and both houses have to vote again.

(1) is unlikely simply because Pelosi's gang cannot resist getting their mitts on it.  (2) is problematic for Dems because literally any change from the Senate bill will be sufficient pretext for at least one Dem to abandon it.

The clock is ticking on them as well.  You see, now that there's an actual bill, there are details that can be revealed and none of this is good.  Everybody's premiums will go sky high.

You see, the trick was simple: Force everyone to buy insurance, have a subsidized "public option".  Employers dump private insurance in favor of the cheaper public option.  Voila, government health care.

Without the public option, you have a bill of highly dubious constitutionality forcing people to buy a private product.  Plus, massive tax increases, etc.  As much as I want this monstrosity to die, it's not clear that this is not repealable.  It simply doesn't provide an entitlement on which people would be dependent.

Personally, I think Senators like Webb, Lieberman, Lincoln, Landrieu and Nelson are hoping and praying that the conference will produce something so odious that approval for the bill will be nil and they can pull their head from the mouth of the lion at the last minute.

Time is our friend now.  The closer to the election and the more people know about the details, the worse it gets for the Dems.  Note that it does not get better for them as time passes.  The vagueness of the bill is what allowed it to pass.

Two things happened here: (1) The myth of the "conservative" or "moderate" Democrat died.  They are a socialist party now.  There is no tree for them to hide behind. (2) If the recession was over (and the media has been telling us for months that it's over, with no actual evidence) then it just double-dipped.

53 ;">A bureaucrat is the most despicable of men, though he is needed as vultures are needed, but one hardly admires vultures whom bureaucrats so strangely resemble. I have yet to meet a bureaucrat who was not petty, dull, almost witless, crafty or stupid, an oppressor or a thief, a holder of little authority in which he delights, as a boy delights in possessing a vicious dog. Who can trust such creatures?

Cicero

54

Lacey: I once told a coworker the statistic of Canada having fewer MRI machines than Pittsburgh. Her response: "So, it's a matter of one place having too many ... "

In the immortal words of Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Welp, we're boned."

Posted by: Joanna at December 21, 2009 10:06 AM (gJQTg)

Wow. Your co-worker is stuck on stupid.

55 Well, at least the Dims own this POS Deathcare bill. How they are able to sleep at night is a wonderment to me...

56 Over at the Rass they had an article about the "left" of the Democrat Party calling Lieberman a "DINO".

Myself, I wonder what the "left" of the Commiecrat Party" is. I also wonder why someone who has a 17% ACU rating is considered a DINO.  That means he votes with the liberals 83% of the time. Hell, our presidential candidate didn't have a record that strong voting with the Republicans last year. He was in the 60's.

57

Well, I tried to call Lieberman and tell him that he needs to withhold his cloture vote until CT gets the same deal as NE, but the mailbox is full, and the staff line is busy.  I'll keep trying throughout the day.

If we can get enough Dems to hold out for the Full Nelson, then the bill's cost will explode and they will be at least delayed.

Not sure if you read the new London Day, but they printed an entire page of anti Lieberman letters this weekend.  They are not happy with his attempt at blocking Obama Care.  I am pretty sure nobody is going to get through to his office this week after that.

58 They are not happy with his attempt at blocking Obama Care.

What attempt? The call was passed with 60 votes. That means Lieberman voted FOR the damn thing.

59

Wow. Your co-worker is stuck on stupid.

Actually, not so much -- she's just never been poked enough to step out of the stupid line and actually take a look around. Which is weird, 'cause she's a vet.

My other coworker, on the other hand, avoided me for three days after I showed her the now-famous unemployment/stimulus chart. It was like she literally thought I was crazy.

They're both black, for whatever that's worth -- and I'd rather argue about Obama with them than with the skinny white libs over in graphics.

60 Leiberman, Nelson, Landrieu, and Nelson(Florida) all did what they're supposed to do as Senators.  They acted in the best interest of their state.

They could have received a far better deal for their states had they actually made attempts to build a bipartisan competing bill with Reidcare.

61 Look away, Look away, Look away

62 What attempt? The call was passed with 60 votes. That means Lieberman voted FOR the damn thing.

Vic - Lieberman got their precious "Public Option" stripped from the bill.  The leftists (and CT is loaded with 'em) wanted that "Public Option" more than they wanted a pony for Christmas.

Now they've got no pony, no "Public Option", no Hopenchange.

All their Gods have forsaken them.

63 Look away, Look away, Look away

Dixieland

64

We need to spread this far and wide, repeatedly:

http://tinyurl.com/y92fb84

65

Lieberman got their precious "Public Option" stripped from the bill.  The leftists (and CT is loaded with 'em) wanted that "Public Option" more than they wanted a pony for Christmas.

I thought that was all going back in during reconciliation or some such (somebody put me some knowledge either way, please; I know almost nothing about Congressional procedure outside of SchoolHouse Rock).

66

Wow, Joanna. Just wow. What do you even do with that comment? Nod and walk away I suppose.

67

Sort of Off Topic, but relevant:  We're all missing the point on this health care "reform" debacle.  The individual mandate is utterly unconstitutional, as shown in this Heritage Foundation Legal Memorandum:  "Why the Personal Mandate to Buy Health Insurance is Unprecedented and Unconstitutional."

The Supreme Court, as presently constituted, will rule that portion of any of these bills to be so, and will strike it down.  The Court has no choice, given precedent and history.  To allow the mandate to stand would be to say that Congress has the power to order each of us to do anything it desires.  I doubt even the most liberal members on the Court would rule that's a valid Congressional power.

Reid, Pelosi and Obama all know this mandate is unconstitutional, so their only hope of holding onto the power they're going to grant themselves in this bill is that the Court be filled with radicals who'll rule in their favor. 

So, the real question is:  "What are the Dems going to do over the next 7 years (since the individual mandate doesn't slide into our asses for 4 years, it'll take that long, at least, before the first case wends its way up to the Supremes) to reconstitute the Court in such a fashion that a majority of justices will rule that Congress has such a power?"

68 Lacey: Pretty much. I got rescued from my gobsmacked sputtering when our supervisor came by.

69 My other coworker, on the other hand, avoided me for three days after I showed her the now-famous unemployment/stimulus chart. It was like she literally thought I was crazy.

That's stage 1: Denial.

70 Cathie:  I'm with you, girlfriend.  I've got your back.

71 Joanna - it's just assumed that they were gonna use reconciliation to screw everyone whose vote they bought.  Because once it's gone to committee, it only takes 51 votes to pass it, not 60.

In other words, when all is said and done, Nelson and Lieberman were going to end up voting against the final bill, but it would pass with 52 or 53 votes.

The whole point of this exercise was to get the damnable thing into conference.  Once there, then Reid could let some of his more vulnerable senators off the hook so they can tell voters "I voted against it".

Landrieu, Nelson and Lieberman have to know that the compromises they made are going to disappear from the bill in conference.  But that's fine, since they can now vote against it, blame Reid, and come away with (they hope) clean hands.

And Obama still gets his Great Socialist Takeover, and he gets to join all his Euroweenie friends in the Socialized Medicine boat.  Never mind that the boat is full of holes and taking on water.  Let's just put more people in it!

72 #62 Unfortunately the camel's nose is under the tent. #6 There's a lot of fight in you and please know you have allies.

73 What are you doing to save America today? No, not reading--DOING?

Start with the suggestion by the Hillbuzz boys: Is America worth fighting for?
http://bit.ly/7c6XeL

Then, here is what you do: No matter who your elected is: GO to their offices today! Yell, scream and let them know how angry you are. One person in a field office is worth 100 phone calls and 1000 letters. Make life miserable for the staff. The Republican senators and the Democrat senators talk; their staff talk to each other--the dems will get the message even if you are yelling at a Republican.

http://bit.ly/60dQE8

It is time for civil disobedience!

If you have a D rep or senator, throw garbage at their office; pay the fine, go to jail but, it is time to make headlines about how hated this is.

74 I learned this week, as my daughter lay in a hospital bed, that when you reach over and turn off the IV pump and tell the nurse to get the ever loving fuck out of your daughter's room and to not come back until she has a mutha fuckin' clue that said nurse will get testy.

She will not, however, be dumb enough to come back, and the quality of nursing care goes up.

75 How am I supposed to be motivated to work in the midst of all this?

76 I once told a coworker the statistic of Canada having fewer MRI machines than Pittsburgh. Her response: "So, it's a matter of one place having too many ... "

It always amazes me how Leftists/socialists/Democrats (spit) can hear what seems to be a simple, obvious example of how utterly crappy socialism is, and seemingly effortlessly ignore, dodge, and finally completely invert the point so that it can be viewed as a positive thing for *socialism*!

Example:  "In the U.S., high-tech medical tests catch cancers far earlier than in other parts of the world, so full recovery is much more likely."
Socialist: "That's because the U.S. has so much toxic pollutants spewed by Evil Corporations.  In Elbownia they only reported one case of cancer in the entire country last year!

Ex. 2:  "Thanks to hi-tech hybrid crops, pest control and amazing farm machinery, American farmers can feed not just America but export millions of tons of American-grown crops to other nations, to feed those who are starved due to corrupt, rapacious governments."
Socialist: "Do you realize that 83% of Americans are overweight?  And that this is entirely because too much food is available--much of it sold by Evil Corporations through 'fast-food' chains.  And advertising makes poor people go out and eat even though they don't want to.  And did you know that in the People's Republic of Anorexia not a single person is overweight?"

Dear Lord, Leftists are pig-ignorant.

77 @77 Dear Lord, Leftists are pig-ignorant.

I resent that statement

78 Hard to keep it civil this morning.

I'm seriously considering skipping Christmas so I can avoid my ratfucking alcoholic Bush-hating Democrat-voting brother-in-law smirking about how awesome it is now the rich people are going to pay for all his healthcare (did I mention he's a complete imbecile)?

Can't even hope he dies in a ditch on the way, cause that will endanger my nephews. 

79 This thing can still be killed:

http://tinyurl.com/y92fb84

80 In Elbownia they only reported one case of cancer in the entire country last year!

When you starve to death at age four, your likelihood of developing prostate cancer is almost nil.

SCIENCE!

81 When you starve to death at age four, your likelihood of developing prostate cancer is almost nil.

In the immortal words of P.J. O'Rourke - "Would you rather die of cancer at eighty, or typhoid at nine?"

We know the Socialist answer - "Nine years ought to be enough for anyone!"

82 Heh. Heather, I have a similar (but not alcoholic) brother-in-law. He's an air-traffic controller and measures all political questions by how much cash his union/lobbyists can squeeze out of the taxpayers. Obviously he's a huge Obama fan. He was red-faced with anger when I pointed out to him that his current paychecks are being drawn from funds that his children haven't even earned yet. He hates the knowledge that his three toddlers are financing his motorcycles, flying lessons, etc., but I feel like I might have to remind him again at Christmastime.

83 sf, well characterized, but that's not pig-ignorance. The ignorant eventually get smarter. That's Useful Idiocy, the dark bourne from which none return. It takes them years of practice to get to that point, all the time thinking they're more and more independent thinkers. Neat trick.

84 It is pretty clear we are going to have to start over.  Even if this thing is somehow, miraculously, rolled back the fact that such a thing is even considered within the bounds of the Constitution means that the Republic was lost some time ago.  Now everyone is just bargaining over the pieces.

I have never considered our government to be illegitimate before but after this I think I will never again consider it to hold any moral or legal authority.  A Rubicon has been crossed and the bridge burned behind us.  There is no going back by the way we came.

It scares me to think what lies ahead.  My imagination is not vivid enough to see a way forward when so many of my fellow citizens do not believe in liberty or capitalism or any of the principles on which the country was founded.  I do not see a way forward when our "leaders" do not heed or answer to their constituents.  I do not want to live in such a country... in such a nightmare.  There is no way such a system can thrive.  There is no way there will not be increased strife when force is used to determine the outcome of every argument and the only way to advance is to hew to the government line as they are the ones who decide who succeeds and who fails, who is bailed out and who is taxed out of existence. 

The wealth of entire generations is being squandered before our eyes and every right our ancestors fought so hard for is being auctioned off to sleazy and unprincipled politicians form LA and NE in return for a few pretty baubles.  And what are we doing about it.  Begging them not to do it?  Threatening their re-election when they will all be given nice cozy sinecures for taking one for the cause?  Cautioning each other not to say the word that is on everyone's mind?

A pox on it all!

85

Yesterday's Boston Globe (article in the sidebar) about Massholes upping the ante on being armed:  It was really hilarious to see the writer try to grasp for reasons why it isn't Obama's fault that people are scared shitless.

I was surprised to see the article on page one, above the fold on a Sunday, too.

86

82 When you starve to death at age four, your likelihood of developing prostate cancer is almost nil.

In the immortal words of P.J. O'Rourke - "Would you rather die of cancer at eighty, or typhoid at nine?"

We know the Socialist answer - "Nine years ought to be enough for anyone!"

I already kicked cancer in the nuts once (it kicked me in the uterus first). I won't be considered "in the clear" until I'm 29. I'd like to make it at least that far before they start asking if I've enjoyed the time I had, and would I consider leaving a bed open for someone with a better chance.

87 I thought that was all going back in during reconciliation or some such (somebody put me some knowledge either way, please; I know almost nothing about Congressional procedure outside of SchoolHouse Rock).

They can put it back in and Joementum will vote to sustain the filibuster.  You see, if they change one word of the bill, it has to be voted on again in both houses.

Reid, Pelosi and Obama all know this mandate is unconstitutional, so their only hope of holding onto the power they're going to grant themselves in this bill is that the Court be filled with radicals who'll rule in their favor.

With this particular bill, they want it to go away.  They would be thrilled if SCOTUS would slap it down for them.  Obama gets his victory and their mess of a bill dies.

As Bush found out with campaign finance reform, SCOTUS doesn't always do what you think it will.

88 Lieberman got their precious "Public Option" stripped from the bill.  The leftists (and CT is loaded with 'em) wanted that "Public Option" more than they wanted a pony for Christmas.

I was under the impression that all that they did was change the "public option" to "medicaid" for everyone.  IOW it is still the public option.

All Lieberman did was get a beard.  Even if they pulled the public option for real this is still a POS and Lieberman did no favors. 

Either these leftists are crying crocodile tears are they are batshoit crazy or both. 

89

my seriously considering skipping Christmas so I can avoid my ratfucking alcoholic Bush-hating Democrat-voting brother-in-law smirking about how awesome it is now the rich people are going to pay for all his healthcare (did I mention he's a complete imbecile)?

 

Heather, I'm so there with you.  Even though nobody at my gatherings is in favor of this atrocity.  I am just not in the mood to be civil, even with my loved ones.

90 There will be a day of reckoning.  Oh, yes, there will.  Every one of these useless sacks will find out. 

91 Wherever children look for Santa Claus, Schlitz beer is known as the standard.

92 Anyone who is depending on the current Supreme Court to kill this bill is on crack.  Yes the bill is blatantly unconstitutional, even more so than the normal run of the mill communist plan from DC.

That being said, we have had lots of other stuff that is blatantly unconstitutional that they have let slide. That is in addition to their own blatantly unconstitutional readings on shit like GITMO.

Let's face it folks, as some of us said way way back, as soon as the britch from ME voted to let it out of committee we were doomed to consume this shit sandwitch with gusto.

Get you toilet paper bibs out folks and think about these DIABLOs who are on committees and why the big tent is so damn good.

93 This is the most agregious over-reach by the Marxists -- to date. . . What will happen? The "awakening giant" will vote many of the Marxists out of office in such numbers, all the ACORN/SEIU bogus ballots stuffed in trunks will not save their purchased candidates. @76 -- you can never give up . . .this should make you more determined than ever to be a part of a non-bloody revolution to reclaim our country.

94 my seriously considering skipping Christmas so I can avoid my ratfucking alcoholic Bush-hating Democrat-voting brother-in-law.....

I am an alcoholic Moron who is serious considering skipping the family dinner because my ratfucking Bush-hating Obama loving sister-in-law will be there. The last time we got together she and I got into it big time.

95 Is it time to go John Galt yet? I truly cannot decide whether to try to work to stave off the worst of the socialist crap, or try to speed up the train so the crash and possible recovery can come faster.

96

Lacey: I once told a coworker the statistic of Canada having fewer MRI machines than Pittsburgh. Her response: "So, it's a matter of one place having too many ... "

In the immortal words of Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Welp, we're boned."

Posted by: Joanna at December 21, 2009 10:06 AM (gJQTg)

I feel your pain! My youngest brother-in-law basically gets all his- ahem- news from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. We were recently discussing the health insurance crap and I patiently explained to him (with his mom's backing, cause she works in a hospital and knows this stuff already) how the government creates a large part of the cost problem by stiffing hospitals and doctors who administer Medicare/Medicaid when they only pay them 60% of the cost of service. Costs, which of course, then get passed onto us. He somehow managed to construe that in his head as further evidence of how the evil insurance companies were ripping us off.

What pisses me off the most is that he's 27 years old and lives completely bill-free at home with my in-laws. He has a full-time job and yet somehow can't even manage to contribute to the grocery bill. The man's never had to be responsible for anything in his life and has the absolute worst case of class envy I've seen.

I thank God daily that he doesn't vote.

97 I may be deluding myself, but with Internet/TeaParty/Twitter speed, some serious lobbying needs to go on.  Lobby Lieberman and Nelson; AND AT THE SAME TIME.  An Operation Chaos needs to be undertaken re the progressive House Members--urge them to get abortion and public option back in.

Together, we can save the Republic.

98

The "awakening giant" will vote many of the Marxists out of office in such numbers, all the ACORN/SEIU bogus ballots stuffed in trunks will not save their purchased candidates.

Well, that's a relief.  Then we'll have... what?  Republicans that vote for this crap at a slower pace?  I'm so relieved.

99 In other news, those stating that "The Lie of the Year" is a lie, are, in fact, lying themselves.

100 In other news, those stating that "The Lie of the Year" is a lie, are, in fact, lying themselves.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at December 21, 2009 11:19 AM (+gX1+)

Yeah, I saw that bs. Assholes.

101

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 11:12 AM (QrA9E) -

Hi Vic, Just tell her I said that she's a blithering idiot who is barely a half step above pond scum on the evolutionary scale. Maybe that'll help.

102 I am an alcoholic Moron who is serious considering skipping the family dinner because my ratfucking Bush-hating Obama loving sister-in-law will be there. The last time we got together she and I got into it big time.

You need to enjoy yourself.  Mock her.  The quickest trick is to accuse her of one of the 5 stages of grief: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

"Oh, that's Stage 1: Denial."  "Oh, that sounds like Bargaining."

Want to play class envy?  Mention lawyers.  Lawyers make a lot of money and really don't produce anything (it's basically a protection racket).  Class warriors can't stand fatcat lawyers.

Of course, Obama's a fatcat lawyer.  So's Schumer.  So are all of them.  And they all get paid quite well for it.  Even the community organizer types are vastly overpaid, largely because the fatcats drive up the price of lawyering.

103 I am so "het-up" that I'm thinking it would be a good time to do a midnight raid on the storage house where the grapes of wrath are stored.

Next November these traitorous dem bastards are going to be drinking one hell of a vintage.

104 The Liar in Chief is talking.

105

The man's never had to be responsible for anything in his life and has the absolute worst case of class envy I've seen.

Funny how those two conditions seem to go together so often.

106 Posted by: Tom in Korea at December 21, 2009 11:19 AM (+gX1+)

Are nominations for "The Lie of the Year in the Year of The Lie" still being accepted? A historic honor for someone.

107

"They're both black, for whatever that's worth -- and I'd rather argue about Obama with them than with the skinny white libs over in graphics."

Hopefully this is not a banning offense here but the color part is why the will NEVER turn against the guy. It doesn't matter if he murdered a puppy on the White House steps. Hell I remember polls during the OJ trial saying 86% of black people thought he was innocent. It will not matter what he does that ship is sailed. There is no thinking going on, only emotion and attachment.

108 Yeah, I saw that bs. Assholes.

Of course, she's just a snowbilly quitter who is totally irrelevant.  It's a wonder they pay attention to her.

109 Heh - Obama says "The first annual winner....."

Idiot.  There isn't a "first annual" anything.  Next year you can call it "annual", because the program will have then become an every year thing.

110 Sen. Gregg just quoted as saying we are on a runaway parliamentary train without deliberation and a check on power. 

Yes, but wasn't this the guy who almost took a position in the Administration?

111 Oh, here it comes.  It's Bush's fault.

112 I'm going to make a voucher that you can print out and stick in return envelopes for charities, political organizations, etc. who supported Obama or Democrats in Congress.  It will refer the contribution seeker to get their money from Obama and Congress, since they have effectively seized control of who we spend our charity on.  You can also hand them out on the street to Greenpeace hippies, Planned Parenthood ghouls and street bums who, I guarantee, cheered when Obama won.

Stay tuned.

113 The Liar in Chief is talking.

Last week the time for talking was over...

114 This shifty bastard is talking about "no-bid" and "non-compettitive" contracts? What the fuck were you doing about that in Shytown, shitbird?
Giving convicted felon Tony Rezko a reach-around if I recall correctly.

115 POTUS announces agencies will save $19 Billion because of contracting reforms - almost as much as earmarks in 2 omnibus spending bills


Sack of Milorganite.

116

Last week the time for talking was over...

Bad news for the Liar.  That's all he knows how to do.

117

She will not, however, be dumb enough to come back, and the quality of nursing care goes up.

I had to do this when my mom was in ICU.  Told the nurse [who was on her first day there] to pound sand; my mom was not her guinea pig.  Herr, I hope your daughter is well now.

118 .

119 Rasmussen:
Approve 46
Disapprove 53

Strong Approve 26
Strong Disapprove 43

Rasmussen index -17
Abyss index +3

120 "A glooming peace this morning with it brings/
The sun for sorrow will not show his head."

121

Hopefully this is not a banning offense here but the color part is why the will NEVER turn against the guy. It doesn't matter if he murdered a puppy on the White House steps. Hell I remember polls during the OJ trial saying 86% of black people thought he was innocent. It will not matter what he does that ship is sailed. There is no thinking going on, only emotion and attachment.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 21, 2009 11:24 AM (SqAkN)

Not necessarily. My mom works in an office full of black ladies. All of whom are in the lower class and dependent upon the government in some manner. They're not too happy with Obama right now. Mainly because, even though they tend to be gung-ho about government "assistance", they're also extremely religious and are mega-pissed about he and the Ds in Congress even entertaining the idea of funding abortions.

Mom said she's overheard several of the ladies saying amongst themselves that they regretted voting for Obama now.

122 I'm Tiger's Wife mad at these assholes.

123

I join methos in his need to keep silent at this point.  But first:


22 As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free....

I stopped by to say that too. 

Any bill opposed by 65-75% of the population but passes anyway, threatening to drive this country to poverty, is pretty damn close to an "intolerable act"

This is dry tinder, friends.  Dry tinder yearning for a spark.

124 The Liar in Chief is talking.

Yes,

I had a sudden impulse to throw the TV out the window.

125 Hi Vic, Just tell her I said that she's a blithering idiot who is barely a half step above pond scum on the evolutionary scale. Maybe that'll help.

The last time we argued I told her that she would be eating dog in a few years and hiding in the shrubs from all the pissed off people in the streets who were shooting known Democrats.

126 The last time we argued I told her that she would be eating dog in a few years and hiding in the shrubs from all the pissed off people in the streets who were shooting known Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 11:34 AM (QrA9E)

Nice! May I steal that for use against my brother-in-law?

127 The conservatives in America should stop donating to anything and just buy Escalades for their elected officials....We should just make a huge pool of cash for bribes.....hookers and a few bouncer types with weapons to nudge....

Let's really Party..........

128 Mrs. North says she regrets voting for Obama.  But she won't take any responsibility for fixing this goddamned trainwreck.  I'm not even asking her to do anything-- just stop chirping about me staying abreast of things and making phone calls.

129 @ 85 voluble - It is pretty clear we are going to have to start over.  Even if this thing is somehow, miraculously, rolled back the fact that such a thing is even considered within the bounds of the Constitution means that the Republic was lost some time ago.

Interesting you should bring that up, voluble. You might try google/binging the "Texas Nationalist Movement"... they seem to say a lot of the self same things you just did. And land is still pretty cheap in Texas....

130 Oh Lordy, who is this "Debbie Dingell" on Fox right now lambasting Republicans for not being for the Dems healthcare gloriousness?  She looks like her eye makeup person was on crack!

131 Not necessarily. My mom works in an office full of black ladies. All of whom are in the lower class and dependent upon the government in some manner. They're not too happy with Obama right now. Mainly because, even though they tend to be gung-ho about government "assistance", they're also extremely religious and are mega-pissed about he and the Ds in Congress even entertaining the idea of funding abortions.

Yeah, I sense that in 2012 it'll be a "he's a pompous ass liar, but he's our pompous ass liar" kind of thing.  However, I think there will be a lot less enthusiasm, a lot fewer people willing to cover for him and a lot fewer volunteers.  Basically, he'll be just another Democrat getting the usual 90% of the black vote.

132 "More seniors will HAVE coverage!" says this dem twit.  Well, I'd like to know how that will happen, what with Medicare getting axed by 500 bil.

133 Mrs. North says she regrets voting for Obama.  But she won't take any responsibility for fixing this goddamned trainwreck.  I'm not even asking her to do anything-- just stop chirping about me staying abreast of things and making phone calls.

Posted by: Truman North at December 21, 2009 11:37 AM (e8YaH)

At least she recognizes it is a train wreck. Acknowledgment of that reality is a step in the right direction. Idiot brother-in-law can't understand why Obama's approval keeps tanking when he sees polls showing that the public overwhelmingly wants him and Congress to focus on the economy and job creation. His response was an exasperated "That's what they're doing! These people should be happy!" Absolutely no effin' clue.

134 That is Dingelberry's daughter.  She gets trotted out because she's one of the only semi-attractive female democrats.

(I hope her eye make-up was sabotage from the Fox make-up people.)

135 Gabriel Malor, you should seriously try to put that to music.

136 Yikes, this healthcare crap is making my GERD flair up so bad that my esophagus feels like it's in rebellion against my throat.

137 Yeah, I sense that in 2012 it'll be a "he's a pompous ass liar, but he's our pompous ass liar" kind of thing.  However, I think there will be a lot less enthusiasm, a lot fewer people willing to cover for him and a lot fewer volunteers.  Basically, he'll be just another Democrat getting the usual 90% of the black vote.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 21, 2009 11:40 AM (T0NGe)

Probably. But if he pisses enough of them off, like the ladies my mom works with, maybe they'll just stay home instead of going to the voting booth. 90% of a demographic is only really worth something if a significant chunk of that demographic shows up to cast their vote.

138 Is there anything in the healthcare bill about getting treatment for SIMP?

139 From RCP:

Three-term Senator Byron Dorgan trails Governor John Hoeven by a 22 points, 58%-36%.

30% of North Dakotans favor the health care bill, while 64% oppose it.

140 Cathy @ #6...God bless you. And damn well said.

141 @ 28 bigjohn - "We are going to end up with two classes of doctors.  Those who want to make money and won't treat the government insured...."

Let's go ahead and call this class "Sunshine Doctors", because you know they're getting the hell out of the US and going to Costa Rica or other points south to practice medicine.

142 "Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today took shots at those who are not supporting the health care legislation."

Don't think we ain't keeping score here, brother Sheldon...

143

Probably. But if he pisses enough of them off, like the ladies my mom works with, maybe they'll just stay home instead of going to the voting booth.

Posted by: Mandy P. at December 21, 2009 11:43 AM (MK6Kx)

Yeah, I should have mentioned that.  There will be also be a lot of "Election day?  hmm, I guess it is.  I don't think I'll bother, it's late anyway."  If there's a GOP candidate who connects emotionally with these ladies, they might even vote for him or her secretly, but I don't think that will happen in big numbers.

I want to see if he gets openly mocked, especially by black comedians. 

144 This makes me think I want to retire outside of the US. Not for any reason other than spite. I will sleep better at night knowing my tax dollars aren't going to some faggot politician who doles them out to people in exchange for them to vote more shit away from me. Fuck you 52.

145 @ 58 vic - What attempt? The call was passed with 60 votes. That means Lieberman voted FOR the damn thing.

Say, wait a minute....

146 I think a good start up would be medical tours.  Smart countries will look at this fiasco and set up clinics for medical tourists.  India already does this and Costa Rica as well.

I predict Ireland will also do this (seeing that they can attract people who are hesitant to go to a third world country).

And we will have those offshore medical clinics in all of the cruise boats, just beyond the international limit.   Hospitals here in the US will only handle births of the indigent and people in their last stages of life.

You will schedule your physical with a doc in conjunction with your 2-week vacation in one of these countries or on the cruise boats.  You will also be able to get a large supply of meds from them at that time.   You will also be given a few standard antibiotics which you will be instructed to take only after phone consultation with the cruise doctor.

I heard on Clark Clifford's show last night that the cruise industry is overbuilt in ships.   I wonder if this is why.

Pretty soon we will have floating cities outside the reach of the federal government.   People will simply choose to live on abandoned oil platforms and start adding on.

147 I don't know... I'm tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

148 @ 27 lincolntf - I hope the Lefty chumps enjoy their brief window of power, because they are about to be shoved back into whatever hole they crawled out of.

Sad to say, I don't think most will care because they're going to be packed into said holes with large amounts of slush fund stimulus cash.

Spending graft dough is a helluva lot easier than pretending you care about an ign'ant constitchency, now innit?

149 Yes, but wasn't this the guy who almost took a position in the Administration?

It was offered.  It was the Secretary of Commerce position.  He turned it down once the White House removed the Census roles in the job.

150 Pretty soon we will have floating cities outside the reach of the federal government.   People will simply choose to live on abandoned oil platforms and start adding on.

I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.

151 Nice! May I steal that for use against my brother-in-law?

Feel free to use it or to go several steps higher. I had to keep it semi-tame because there were children in the room.

152 Sen. Gregg just quoted as saying we are on a runaway parliamentary train without deliberation and a check on power. Yes, but wasn't this the guy who almost took a position in the Administration? He wisely turned it down.

153

If there's a GOP candidate who connects emotionally with these ladies,

What is it about people (women) who want to connect emotionally with a professional person?  It's like people who pick a doctor with a good bedside manner!  I don't care what kind of bedside manner a doctor or an emotional connection a politician has!  I have family for "hand-holding".  I want doctors and public servants to DO THE JOB!  Who cares if they connect emotionally!?

154 @ 148 - I predict Ireland will also do this (seeing that they can attract people who are hesitant to go to a third world country).

Good one, Miss Marple- had not considered Ireland, but it makes a great deal of sense.

155
Pretty soon we will have floating cities outside the reach of the federal government.   People will simply choose to live on abandoned oil platforms and start adding on.

And they'll be annexed and dismantled by the nearest sea power. How can they resist? They still need to eat, right?

156

"If the people who wrote this bill were proud of it, they wouldn't be forcing this vote in the dead of night."

I just swiped this from another site.

Nothing is more clear than that quote.

157 Tom... it's too bad how that whole Rapture thing turned out.  Seemed like a good idea at the time.

158 "More seniors will HAVE coverage!" says this dem twit.

I don't understand why people don't understand that coverage != care.  Doesn't matter if your procedure is "covered" if you die waiting for a doctor to be available to do it...

You will schedule your physical with a doc in conjunction with your 2-week vacation in one of these countries or on the cruise boats.

People already do this sort of thing to get cut-rate elective surgery, and drugs/procedures not approved by the FDA.  That's what Left-Eye from TLC was doing in Honduras when she was killed in a car wreck.

159

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes..."

Just sayin...

160 Posted by: HH at December 21, 2009 11:56 AM (+jvXp)

Pretty much sums it up.
When historians look back at this horror show, they'll marvel at the contempt for the people shown by their representatives. It is infamous on arrival.

161

Lloyd Marcus' 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=UZkvkLmkYVg

162

Floating cities?

Why do that if we don't have to? We can reverse this shit in Washington by not voting for plastic politicians who'll sell us out. Which means they all have to go. Each and every one of them. No exceptions and no excuses.

163

Hmmm.. Federal Gov't is the enemy?

Don't plan on using the Battle Hymn of the Republic if you want to look at revolution.

We can try the Bonnie Blug Flag, Dixie or the Marselliese?

Or, Johnny Paycheck Take this Job and Shove it as our song of the Revolution?

 

164

"When historians look back at this horror show"

Probably not.  Most historians are revisionist Democrats

165

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes..."

Just sayin...

Being enslaved in the name of "healthcare for all" is not a light or transient cause.

166 21 December 2009 will be remembered as the darkest day of the year.

167 Why do that if we don't have to? We can reverse this shit in Washington by not voting for plastic politicians who'll sell us out.

Vote them out?????? Hahahahahaha

The elections are now all rigged nine different ways to Sunday. At the end of Gulf War I my Demonrat Senator who voted against it had a favorable rating of 10%. Unfortunately it was 2 years before his next election.

He was reelected by a wide margin in a Red State.

168 Slavery and mass murder is "light and transient"....?

169 But, but....Coburn said Obama is a "wonderful man" with whom he as a "special relationship".  If Coburn is so gullible he can be swayed by a shyster like Obama, then we are more screwed than even I, the cynic, imagined. 

Do they lose their effn minds when they go to Washington? 

170 >Don't plan on using the Battle Hymn of the Republic if you want to look at revolution. I'm not so sure about that. We want to take the Republic back from the hucksters and communists that have taken it over. Restoration of the constitutional authorities the document allows.

171

Don't plan on using the Battle Hymn of the Republic if you want to look at revolution.

Why? This is about liberty. This is about being forced to labor for the benefit of the eaters, the lay-abouts, the well-connected. It's about being forced to stay on the good side of politicians -- or you might just find that embarrassing bit of your medical history leaked, or your kid denied treatment.

172 On G. W. Bush:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/12/19/ george-w-bush-biggest-spender-since-lbj/

173

I like the Battle Hymn of Metallica: Don't Tread on Me.

174 #174 -- You realize that Bush is no longer in office, right? And that Obama has tripled or more the spending that was the "highest since LBJ"?

175 george-w-bush-biggest-spender-since-lbj/ He better stop spending. George W. Bush doesn't even have a job.

176 (Which one of you morons owns the kitteh?)

177 166 "When historians look back at this horror show"

Probably not.  Most historians are revisionist Democrats avowed Marxist-Feminists who live in a bubble

FIFY

178 Just a friendly reminder to those who would like to forget what actually happened the last eight years.

179 181st!

180

One for the Suggestion Box:

I think that you should lead off each one of your articles here with more pictures of pretty NFL cheerleaders.

The sight of a pretty girl is always, well, cheerful, dontcha think?

181 You realize that Bush is no longer in office, right? And that Obama has tripled or more the spending that was the "highest since LBJ"?

Meh.  It's Reason and their libertarian crusade against Republicans.  Ace wrote a post about these kinds of libertarians.  There's a stampeding elephant in the room and they can't help but get exercised by the cockroach in the corner.

182 The first seven of the last eight years look like half of nothin' next to the eighth year.

183

Vic,

I normally agree with your observations and I understand your cynicism. As the Lord knows, I get that way myself.

But we did this to ourselves. We can undo it. Everything government does can be undone by government. This isn't irreversible. Remember, it didn't used to be this way. There's nothing wrong with the system, per se, it's the phonies that have managed to con the ignorant into voting for them.

Step One is a wholesale Housecleaning in Washington. Just to send the message that the giant is awake.

We can do it. We should do it. Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Rangel, Fwank, Durbin, the Maine Twins, get rid of them all a.s.a.p.

No exceptions, no excuses.

184

Lookit, Bush was the Gants beating the Patriots by a touchdown.  Sad, yeah, but a good game.  Obama is the 85 Bears beating the Patriots 46-10. 

He's truly destroyed the patriots' (small p) team.

185 Oh, yeah, sorry about that racist math stuff.  Let's journal about how 8 and 9 are different numbers makes us feel.

186 When Barry and the rest of the Donkeys talk about checks and balances, the checks they're r referring to are the ones you are forced to write to them for their bribes to their senators...causing your bank balance to go down

187

Gabriel Malor, maybe you could put these lyrics to music too:

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
Once you provoke her, rattling of her tail
Never begins it, never, but once engaged
Never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage

Don't tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore

Don't tread on me

Love it or live it, she with the deadly bite
Quick is the blue tongue, forked as the lighting strike
Shining with brightness, always on surveillance
The eyes, they never close, emblem of vigilance

Don't tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore

Don't tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
Once you provoke her, rattling
of her tail

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore

Don't tread on me

188

180 Just a friendly reminder to those who would like to forget what actually happened the last eight years.

Did he try to set votes at 1am and bribe senators to vote for his bills with taxdollars? Did he triple the deficit his first year in office? Seems to me Obama has set the bar pretty high for future fuck up presidents. What about the 6 million in stimulus money to pay of Clinton's campaign debts? Or Dodds 100 million bribe in the healthcare bill? They are literally bribing congressmen to vote for crap at 1 am noone wants, and you come on here talking about fucking Bush? Go shove a rusty spoon up your ass, pull it out, and eat what is on it because that is what we are all getting served with right now. Stupid douche, your pitiful cries of "but Bush" are cold comfort when 17% of us don't have jobs, Congress and the President are busy spending our grandkids into debt, and they are passing bills that rob us all of our freedoms at 1am by bribing our own elected representatives to vote against every opinion poll on the planet.

189 Just a friendly reminder to those who would like to forget what actually happened the last eight years. Blame Bush? Is that the unprecedented change you were hoping for? TARP was a mistake under the Paulson & Bush. Clearly a bad idea on paper. When Geithner & Obama carried on with TARP, it was a demonstrated failure. Barack Obama is president now. Did he inherit part of this mess? Sure he did. He can wash down his inheritance with a tall, cold glass of STFU. He elbowed his way to the front of the line to receive the inheritance.

190

Lookit, Bush was the Gants beating the Patriots by a touchdown.  Sad, yeah, but a good game.  Obama is the 85 Bears beating the Patriots 46-10. 

He's truly destroyed the patriots' (small p) team.

Posted by: Truman North at December 21, 2009 12:15 PM (e8YaH)

Don't ever compare Barry to Da Coach.

191 Nobody said anything about Obama being less or even equally despicable. But he's a change in degree from Bush, not in kind.

And it's not Reason, it's CATO. Not that there's anything wrong with Reason on the question of irresponsible spending for the most part.

192 Nelson is already saying he'll vote against the bill (meaning filibuster) if it's changed in conference.

Buyer's remorse, I think.

193

Barack Obama is president now. Did he inherit part of this mess? Sure he did."

He voted for TARP and wanted it bigger. How did he inherit something he freakin voted for?

194 So, I guess the question is, do any of you believe there are going to be free and honest elections in this country from here on out?

They know this is suicide to be doing this, so do you think they do not have a plan to hold on to the power.
 

195 The "Blame Bush" meme is akin to blaming a person whose parents spent money quite liberally, yet when the parents died and left their remaining money to the child, the child took the whole inheritance and blew it in one sitting at a three-card monty game set up on a New York street corner.

196 "Yeah, just look at that guy who was mauled by a grizzly and torn into tiny pieces. Did you see that dog that yapped at him? Just a friendly reminder."

197 Did he try to set votes at 1am and bribe senators to vote for his bills with taxdollars?

There's no question Obama's much worse than Bush, but I suggest you take a look into how Bush and the Democrats got Medicare Part D (the irresponsible expansion of Medicare) passed. 

198 But he's a change in degree from Bush, not in kind.

And it's not Reason, it's CATO. Not that there's anything wrong with Reason on the question of irresponsible spending for the most part.

Posted by: MlR at December 21, 2009 12:18 PM (op9m5)

Basic idea is the same: Most self-righteous libertarians are total assholes.  Worse than the Paultards at times.

Have you noticed what happened at 1 this morning, dumbass?

No, no, keep bashing Bush.  Hell, bash Nixon too.  That'll help.

Ass.

199 The fucking Dems didnt pass Bush's last budget on purpose so they could postpone it till Obama was sworn in and load it up with pork. He inherited nothing he didn't own. That is why that budget was over a trillion in the red.

200 But he's a change in degree from Bush, not in kind. So who is this Bush guy you keep mentioning and when will he give the next State of the Union Address?

201

MIR @ 180

I'll start with you.

You really need to get your head on straight and do it now. If you keep bashing Bush, then you don't have the intellect to vote.

There was this little thing called 9-11. Perhaps you'll remember that unprovoked attack. We went to war over that and wars cost money. So your bullshit doesn't fly. We're well within our rights to defend ourselves. If that's something you don't like, then move somewhere else. Don't be trying to change my country into something I don't like or want. There's a big, wide world out there, and somewhere there is a place for you if you don't like things here.

202

"There's no question Obama's much worse than Bush, but I suggest you take a look into how Bush and the Democrats got Medicare Part D (the irresponsible expansion of Medicare) passed. "

WTF? That is like comparing the shit sandwhich that got passed last night at 1AM to a Papa Johns Pizza. Regardless do you really freakin believe people here were for that shit?

203

BBC: "The US has transferred 12 detainees from its Guantanamo Bay prison camp to Afghanistan, Yemen and the Somaliland region, the Justice Department says.

Six Yemenis, four Afghans and two Somali detainees were sent to their homelands over the weekend, it said".

Now, I thought this is illegal because Yemen, for one, tortures prisoners.

At least Amnesty International thinks so and they usually save their ire for the US.

204 Haven't the Dims controlled Congress the last 3 yrs?  Doesn't Congress control the purse strings?  Make laws?

205

Does this freakin toolbag ever comment without saying "but Bush!!!!"? Seriously every fuckin comment, everyone. Say "but Bush" till your eyes bleed you stupid sack of horseshit, good luck getting a fuckin job.

 

(sorry but there will be excessive profanity today)

206 Nobody said anything about Obama being less or even equally despicable. But he's a change in degree from Bush, not in kind.

You made your point. Now STFU and get over yourself, 'K?

207 We are so proud of the Democrats this morning.  Workers of the World Unite.

208

Cathy @ 6 - A big hug to you - you are a very brave woman and your letter was extremely powerful.

To all of  my fellow moron/moronettes....I too have the moonbat IQ deprived relatives.  There is no way that we are getting together  with them this year.  I have insisted that our family celebrate Christmas by ourselves......I truly fear that if one of them drools out  their usual Pro-Obama crap I will totally lose it.  I actually don't even care if I have anything to do with some of them again.  Seriously.

209

(sorry but there will be excessive profanity today)

Damned fucking straight there will be. I even managed to get the word "shit" onto Instapundit.

210 Blaming Bush? Never heard of it.

211

"but Bush" just mandated that I have to buy health insurance from places he approves! "but Bush" just spent trillions of dollars in his first year of office that aren't even taken in taxes yet by my kids. "but Bush"just took away my freedom to work where I see fit since he is taxing small businesses into oblivion. "but Bush" just went on TV and told me this bill would reduce the deficit when it was deliberately scored so it would account for 10 years of taxation vs. 6 years of payouts, and thus lying to my face. "but Bush" is cheering on while congress bribes my own senators and congressman to vote against every the opinions of their own voters.

/

Take your "but Bush" and shove it up your ass.

212 Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ?

Well, thanks.  I nearly bought into that tripe back in 2004 and nearly voted for Kerry as an exercise in split-government.  But considering it's now 2009, almost 2010, and neither Bush or Kerry is going to be on the 2012 ticket, kindly find a better and more timely graph.

213 Yes, and no. Mr. Pink. I'm pretty sure there were a number of people here who supported it, at the time, not least because they thought they had bigger fish to fry. I'm even more sure there's are many more people who are completely ignorant of it.

I realize many people would prefer just to scream and shout at the other guy, but I really don't give a shit. Putting the last eight years into perspective is required to making sure it doesn't happen again.

214 Barrack Obama and Tonto went camping in the desert. After they got their tent all set up, both men fell sound asleep.
 
Some hours later, Tonto woke the president and said, "Kemo bro, look towards sky, what you see?"
 
Obama replied, "I see millions of stars."
 
"What that tell you?" asked Tonto.
 
Obama pondered for a minute then said, "Astronomically speaking, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo.  Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three in the morning.  Theologically, Mother Nature is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant.. Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What's'it tell you, Tonto?"
 
Tonto says, "Obama, you dumber than buffalo shit. It means somebody stole the tent."

215 I mean, yes, Bush was the biggest spender since LBJ.  But now Obama is the biggest spender since Bush and LBJ combined, so who cares unless you're just reflexive anti-Republican to the point you overlook and excuse Democrat spending?

216 Putting the last eight years into perspective is required to making sure it doesn't happen again. Link for you, MIR. Welcome to 2009. Breathe the oxygen.

217

I actually don't even care if I have anything to do with some of them again.

Welcome to the club, but we've got to start getting in ther faces, even if it is for the last time, which come to think of it, might not be such a bad thing. Think of it, how did they get so stupid? Somebody with a stronger personality probably intimidated them into thinking that way. No sane person believes that socialist bullshit anyway.

218 Welcome to 2009. Breathe the oxygen.

Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2009 12:33 PM (4Kl5M)

But don't exhale.

219

194 Nelson is already saying he'll vote against the bill (meaning filibuster) if it's changed in conference.

Buyer's remorse, I think.

No such effing luck, Amish.  He's going to vote yes-yes-yes, then it goes to conference, then he gets to vote no on the final, because all they need is 50 plus Biden.  He's CYAing.

If he was really remorseful, then he'd vote no-no-no-no.  Of course.

220 "I mean, yes, Bush was the biggest spender since LBJ.  But now Obama is the biggest spender since Bush and LBJ combined, so who cares unless you're just reflexive anti-Republican to the point you overlook and excuse Democrat spending?"

Because I want to turn around the Republican politicians for when they eventually have the power to turn it around? And that requires people be aware of how they've performed in the past?

Not one for burying it like the crazy uncle in the attic...

221 then he gets to vote no on the final, because all they need is 50 plus Biden.  He's CYAing.

Since when?  The conference bill is a brand new bill.

The 50 plus 1 is budget reconciliation. 60 is needed to end debate when it comes around again.

Nelson is toast if the bill passes, regardless of whether he votes against it.

222

MIR,

Living in the past doesn't do anyone any good. Even if you had a point about Bush, times have changed.

Get over it, and deal with the present.

223 I mean, yes, Bush was the biggest spender since LBJ.  But now Obama is the biggest spender since Bush and LBJ all previous Presidents combined,FIFY

224 Whatever, MlR -- you made your point, you hate Bush, Republicans are just as bad, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now go play in traffic.

225 I realize many people would prefer just to scream and shout at the other guy, but I really don't give a shit. Putting the last eight years into perspective is required to making sure it doesn't happen again.

Posted by: MlR at December 21, 2009 12:30 PM (op9m5)

Happen again? You need to buy a clue. Your team just re-wrote the fucking rule book in the middle of the night. There are a lot of things that won't be happening again. I am just one guy. I am unimportant and nobody give a red hot shit what I think, but I want you to know that I am here and I hate you and every asshole just like you. The country that I love is being dismantled in closed door meetings by YOUR people and you have the gall to say; EVIL BUSHITLER DID BAD STUFF FIRST".

Not a damn thing that has gone on in the last 8 years or 80 for that matter equals what these crimminal bastards are doing RIGHT NOW! But, you just keep talking about Bush. The time for choosing is past. You've chosen.

226 Never gave any indication I was living in the past, unless you think that living in the present requires pretending nothing's ever happened before.

227

@ 215

...but I really don't give a shit...

There's seems a lot that you don't give a shit about, facts being first on the list.

Look, take your talking points list back to Axelrod and tell him it didn't work today.

228

Whenever I read comments by the tiresome critics of GWB here,  I think to myself, whoa, is this a site for sore eyes. Give it a rest. BHO has to man up and accept the responsibility for every fiasco that has occurred on his watch.

GWB haters always said that he was irrelevent, but funny thing about that; they won't let him retire.

229

Don't you guys realize?  George Bush is the most powerful man in the world!  Why, everything that happens, happens because of him!!

 

230 "Never gave any indication I was living in the past...."

Hhhmmmm.  Yet you've been commenting non-stop this morning with the meme of "BUT BUSH!!!!" and yet you're not living in the past?

Yes Bush spent more than conservatives and libertarians wanted him to.  But that does not relieve Obama and this current congress of going on a hyper-spend spree.  Your "BUT BUSH!!!" is tiresome.

231

Don't forget the 40th President!

http://tiny.cc/pwIKE

232 "One day, Winston Churchill went to the bathroom and ran into the head of the Labour Party, who was his political opponent. Churchill took the urinal furthest from him. The head of the Labour Party asked Churchill if he was just being modest. Churchill responded, "Not at all. It's just that whenever you Labourite chaps... see something that is large, privately owned and working well, you want to nationalize it."

233 Heh.

I voted for Bush, over Kerry, and would do so again. Because Kerry was, of course, worse. Vote Republicans over Democrats, as the lesser evils.

None of these facts are inconsistent with wanting an honest appraisal of Bush's or the Republicans' records, especially in view of forcing them to behave better next time.

234

MIR, Bush is NOT President. The Obama is. I really can't think of anytime in the past that the Republicans pushed Major bills that affect all Americans through in the middle of the night along straight party lines.

Can you?

Is that the past you speak of?

Of course not. This is something brand spanking new.

So get over the Bush crap.

235 Not one for burying it like the crazy uncle in the attic...

If the dude is buried and gone, leave him alone.  Digging up the crazy uncle in teh attic just means you're just digging up a corpse at this point.

And that's not cool.

236 MiR

1. Medicare Part D was something Bush CAMPAIGNED on, was designed to keep total Medicare costs down (by getting people blood pressure medicine so they didn't end up in stroke rehab,  for example) and has ended up costing less than was first projected.

2. You seem to forget that it is CONGRESS who spends the money, and Bush reduced budgets quite a bit before they were even passed.   And reductions beyond that weren't possible because he needed those budgets passed because we had two hot wars going on at the same time and he couldln't risk funding being cut off.  (Also the reason why Dad Bush raised taxes,  because the democrats were threatening to hold up the budget while we had troops sitting in the sand prior to the Gulf War in Operation Desert Shield).

3. I don't give a shit about teaching Republicans imaginary lessons predicated on how you THINK they MIGHT behave IF they ever get back in power.  Your comment is designed to get everyone blaming Bush, and that is a crock of crap.
I am not certain we will ever have the Republicans back in power,  what with ACORN, SEIU, various emergency measures Obama might impose, and the fact that about half of the electorate (INCLUDING YOU) is apparently dumb as a box of rocks.

237 Hhhmmmm.  Yet you've been commenting non-stop this morning with the meme of "BUT BUSH!!!!" and yet you're not living in the past?

Actually, I've been here 40 minutes if you look at the time stamps, and only because of the numerous people who've decided to hurl personal epithets at me. Because I've deigned to link to a fiscal summary of 2000-2008.

238

So, I guess the question is, do any of you believe there are going to be free and honest elections in this country from here on out?

They know this is suicide to be doing this, so do you think they do not have a plan to hold on to the power.
 

Posted by: Mark at December 21, 2009 12:20 PM (yPPVC)

 

 

Yea, it doesn't make sense because noone loves power more than liberals, but heres what I think the hail-mary will be.

Add 12-20 million illegals to the voter roles before next November by giving them amnesty and who will be beholden to Democrats for decades to come. I believe this is plan B and will come next as early as January.

Doesn't matter that this will piss off over 70%-75% of the populace again, they just did it with healthcare so they'll have no problem trying it with amnesty, they have nothing to lose now. Plus, get ACORN back up running with a vengeance. 

These people have gone rogue and are being tone-deaf on purpose. Don't count them out, its foolish to believe they are gonna go down in flames and didn't have a backup plan all along. Its like a bad horror movie with these people. Just when you finally think they are put down for good for the umpteenth time, here they come again after you with an axe.

 

239 1. Medicare Part D was something Bush CAMPAIGNED on, was designed to keep total Medicare costs down (by getting people blood pressure medicine so they didn't end up in stroke rehab,  for example) and has ended up costing less than was first projected.

Here you go, Mr. Pink. Have at her.

240 "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

241 Thank you, Miss Marple.
People have forgotten that Bush had to chose between a monstrous increase in Medicare and a Democrat version that was ten times worse.

242

Get real. BHO didn't inherit "problems" from GW. That goofy twit was given  opportunities by GW.

But that goofy twit has become so warped by what I suppose he would call his, um, "life's experiences" that he screwed up his opportunities.

Call that racist, but hey, get real. BHO is so ditzy that he would screw up a wet dream. He is unquestionably the sleaziest and the most incompetent president in this country's history. He doesn't have any qualifications to be POTUS.

Rosalyn Carter likes him, though, I'll betcha. He makes her husband look like he was a good ol' boy and a pretty good president after all.

243 The strategy of the Dem leadership was to make any deal that would win the 60 votes needed to get the bill thru the Senate and into "conference committee"-- because once a bill has reached conference it only takes 51 senate votes to pass it into law.

Reid's task was to get the bill to conference without costing the Dems any senate seats in 2010.  Reid knew that in conference, the bribes made to secure the votes of Landrieu, Nelson, Sanders and Lieberman--clear violations of the Consitution's 14th amendment--would be yanked from the bill.  This would allow the bribed senators to vote against the final bill and still leave 52 or 53 votes to pass it.

The bribed senators would then be able to tell voters "I tried my best to get a good deal for you, my constituents, and when the leadership refused to honor their agreement with me, I voted against it."  They can blame Reid--but of course those in the know quietly laugh, because how does it hurt the Dems in the slightest if Louisianans or Nebraskans are mad at a senator from Nevada?

Win-win for the Dems.

To re-cap the strategy:
  1. Promise holdout Dem senators hundreds of millions in taxpayer money for their vote;
  2. Clear the 60-vote cloture hurdle;
  3. Strip the illegal provisions in conference;
  4. Bribed senators can vote no on the final bill (which no longer has the bribes they negotiated), come away with re-election prospects undimmed--and the bill still passes.

Death is *far* too good for all these morally-bankrupt pols.

244 Take your "but Bush" and shove it up your ass.

My sentiments exactly.

I would only add that president's do not "spend money", they only recommend programs. Bush was behind two spending programs yes, but it was congress that sent him the huge spending bills which he should have vetoed.

In any case not only have the communists controlled congress and spending for the last three years, but Il Dueche's regime has oversaw more spending than all 8 years of the Bush admin.

So yes, stick it up your commie ass and get lost.

245 He doesn't have any qualifications to be POTUS.

Posted by: Greg at December 21, 2009 01:09 PM (Cta0m)

Anybody can grow up to become president. Ain't America grand?

246 because once a bill has reached conference it only takes 51 senate votes to pass it into law.

I do not believe this to be true.  I believe that there is a debate on the conference bill and that debate must be ended.  Please correct me on this.  I do know that for budget bills, they can waive the 60 vote requirement.  That is a special exception.

247 247 Wow continued Bush bashing by a conservative who is clueless that his inaccurate / out of context bashing resulted in the election of Obama.  Par for the retard course.

No, fanboys like you, Polynikes, resulted in the election of Obama.

248 I think I'm right.  I did a quick search and came up with Talking Points Memo (yes, I know) and got this:

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) confirmed moments ago that he will support the Senate health care bill, which will soon be amended to include new, more restrictive abortion language. But, he says, he reserves the right to filibuster the very final version of health care legislation if it changes significantly when Senate and House negotiators meet to agree upon a single package of reforms.

So I think that confirms that conference bills can be filibustered.

The only way the Dems can get around it is (1) pass the Senate bill in the House or (2) declare it to be a budget bill and use the reconciliation process.  (1) is unlikely.  (2) is difficult, but since Reid is willing to commit suicide anyway, not impossible.

249 Posted by: MlR (self-hater) at December 21, 2009 01:26 PM (op9m5)

You are in a hole.  Stop digging.

250

It's just a matter of perception, folks.

As Barack and Michelle see it, they are realizing the American Dream. The rest of us see it as a nightmare.

Pinch me, and wake me up, please?

 

251

Don't get discouraged, MIR. I for one like your comments. They're so, so, so, well, so, um, what's the word I'm looking for here?

 

252 254 Fucked up?

253

He is a fucking douchebag. He probably voted for Obama but lies about it so his "but Bush" crap would come off better.

How about this, "but Bush" wouldn't have sat in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years listening with his kids to conspiracy theories about the evil white government of the US of KKKA invented the AIDS virus to kill black people. I think we can all agree that is something "but Bush" didn't do that this current asshole did.

254

Naw, his words have a certain, well, je na sais quoi.

Hey dimwits, it's Christmas, Be nice.

Merry Christmas ...., y'all

255 In recent memory, Brittany Murphy had been receiving press for her described "loopy" behavior, her husband and her thin frame. Movies? Not so much: her acting had been put on the back-burner. With the star's film career stalled, mentions of the actress on gossip sites usually used the words "crazy" and "difficult" rather than "talented."


Perez Hilton bluntly asked if Murphy was "all hopped up on the crazy happy pills" at the premiere and said she was "lookin' a little Abdrool-y" -- a pet name he's given to Paula Abdul.     Only a gay would make that observation. Any straight guy would recognize that all women are moody and temperamental, and entitled to be cut some slack.   Obviously, Perez is just jealous. He wishes that he looks as good in a dress as Brittany does ..., um, as good in a dress as Brittany did (past tense).

 

256 No sane person believes that socialist bullshit anyway.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2009 12:35 PM (ZGhSv)

Oh yes they do. They're called lazy. BIL that I spoke of earlier is the perfect example. He's not insane and when you really boil it down, he's not stupid either. He's just lazy and is quick to jump on the bandwagon for anything that means someone else is responsible for his problems.

It's why he still lives with my in-laws. He's been out on his own before. He moved back in "temporarily" during his break-up with his last girlfriend and has just never moved out. That was about a year and a half ago. And he has absolutely no intention of getting his own place any time soon. He'll be perfectly content to mooch off the gravy train that is my MIL and FIL until they finally have their fill and kick him out. He's got some convoluted excuse as to why he can't get his own place, which is inevitably not his fault. Nothing ever is.

It's a lazy, dependent mentality. He uses the same convoluted logic to support his socialist ideas. Because it's always someone else's fault and they should have to pay for his troubles.

And I really think that's how you get so many people to buy into this crap. People instinctively know that it's wrong to take something ....  from them. But that doesn't apply to other people. Especially if they think those people already have more than enough (ie, class envy).

257 Take your "but Bush" and shove it up your ass.

Wrap it in several layers of barbed wire soaked in brine first.
And yes, that is being nice, at least much nicer than some other suggestions I could offer.

258 260 Take your "but Bush" and shove it up your ass.

Wrap it in several layers of barbed wire soaked in brine first.
And yes, that is being nice, at least much nicer than some other suggestions I could offer.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 21, 2009 03:13 PM (6Nv5B)

Do I sense a certain hostility here?

You guys should enroll in my anger management class. Pfew!!! 

259 59 ... My other coworker, on the other hand, avoided me for three days after I showed her the now-famous unemployment/stimulus chart. It was like she literally thought I was crazy. ... Posted by: Joanna And then what?

260 Miss Marple,

I have been saying that for weeks--medicine will go offshore, like all the other industries that the government has destroyed.

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