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December 08, 2009

Trickery afoot - Dems look to bypass conference committee on ObamaCare™
— Purple Avenger

THE PLOY: Bypass conference and pass the Senate version verbatim. So don't count on interminable negotiations resolving differences in conference. The Senate version, which appears to shape shift dramatically by the day is the battlefield. Period. A desperation move for sure, but politicians are at their most dangerous when desperate.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 02:21 PM | Comments (48)
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1 First they were gonna slide all the unpopular stuff through in conference committee, and now they're not going to conference at all. Do they ever try to pass legislation on its merits using the normal process any more?

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 08, 2009 02:23 PM (XIXhw)

2 If they manage to ram this down the public's collective throat, there are going to be a lot of very, very unhappy people out there.

Posted by: shibumi at December 08, 2009 02:25 PM (OKZrE)

3 I miss the Republic already.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 08, 2009 02:28 PM (dQdrY)

"If they manage to ram this down the public's collective throat,"

I hope you are not talking about fellatio....that's offensive

Posted by: Todd at December 08, 2009 02:28 PM (LLOGQ)

5 This is a freaking nightmare. If it hasn't been said recently... thanks a bunch 52%... at least you'll get to rot in the hell you created with the rest of us.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at December 08, 2009 02:29 PM (MCHyX)

6 I really hope I can find the girl of my dreams before and if this monster passes, because I fully expect the world to end the moment Captain Anus signs this civil war inducing, freedom killing bill into law.

I don't wanna die a vooooigin!

Posted by: Lincoln Adams at December 08, 2009 02:31 PM (gLNLT)

7 I'm really beginning to hate these pricks.

Posted by: BigWyo at December 08, 2009 02:36 PM (SafY+)

8 7 I'm really beginning to hate these pricks.

Just beginning?

I've hated Obama et al for something like two years now.

Get with the program!

Posted by: shibumi at December 08, 2009 02:39 PM (OKZrE)

9 "So this is how democracy dies" Sorry, just channeling Star Wars

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 08, 2009 02:40 PM (0GFWk)

10 Yep, this bill is so beloved by all that it needs votes done on it on weekend nights and is also popular that conference committees aren't needed.

Pricks, all of 'em.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at December 08, 2009 02:41 PM (otlXg)

11 Oh just a quick aside--apparently Playgirl has naked pictures of a certain TIGER

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 08, 2009 02:41 PM (0GFWk)

12 Time to ratchet up the teaparty protests so the Senators know they've got two choices and one of them involves their own neck.....

Posted by: Just a cynic.... at December 08, 2009 02:43 PM (CzEY3)

13 Seriously.

These people are NOT afraid of us.

Do you understand that statement? Do you understand the implications of those words?

These people.... these people who style themselves our 'leaders' are not afraid of you.

To THEM, all YOU are is a tax number. All you are is a natural resource to collect monies to run their personal fiefdoms. You are to sit still and shut the fuck up and not complain as your taxes go through the rough paying for shit that you'd never pay for in your entire life. For reasons, plans, jobs, ideals whatever.

They are NOT afraid of YOU.

Just think about that.

Posted by: Mortis at December 08, 2009 02:43 PM (hA5JK)

14 Hey, has anyone seen Tiger's # 11. The hole keeps on getting deeper

Posted by: Todd at December 08, 2009 02:44 PM (LLOGQ)

15 This is really, really sad. We are witnessing the complete demise of our beloved country. Our republic is dying. We are almost there. What Mortis said....the are not afraid of us. To them, they no longer work for us. We work for them.

I have never been more enraged in my life. They will pay.

Posted by: Wilt Chamberlain at December 08, 2009 02:47 PM (LeFbD)

16 God, what a bunch of lying, conniving, sorry pieces of bull dung those guys are. yessir, truly some real hope and change.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at December 08, 2009 02:49 PM (QMGr1)

17 You know, someone (I'm thinking Saracuda) needs to organize the Tea Parties into an actual Resistance. You know, a group that actually scares our government overlords.

Posted by: shibumi at December 08, 2009 02:53 PM (OKZrE)

18 I believe there is something in the Constitution that says that revenue bills must originate in the House. Of course, I doubt that Harry much cares about that worn out old document.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 08, 2009 02:53 PM (r1h5M)

19 You are to go to your government issued job, in your government issued vehicle, carpooling with your government approved carpoolmates, work your government mandated 12 hour day, earn you government approved wage, with government mandated union dues removed, and then return to your government issued Prole Housing and stay there until you go to vote for your government mandated candidate.

Posted by: Mortis at December 08, 2009 02:53 PM (hA5JK)

20 How can the House pass the Senate's bill when they could barely pass their own? I can't see that happening. As I understood it, if the Senate passes a bill, they can't filibuster when it comes back from conference anyways, so how would this accomplish anything?

I think the point is to get the Senate to pass a bill, and then they only need 50 Senate votes to pass whatever comes out of the conference.

Posted by: JohnJ at December 08, 2009 02:54 PM (tjonB)

21 I'm thinking Saracuda

She doesn't have the balls to do it, I'm afraid.

If there is to be an actual 'resistance' and I don't think we're close to that, I'm not following a politician.

I'm either going to be leading, or following someone just like me.

Posted by: Mortis at December 08, 2009 02:55 PM (hA5JK)

22 What am I missing here? The Senate has to pass 'something' then the House has to pass exactly the same thing. Seems like this would be harder with the House getting the short end of the stick.

Posted by: John Galt at December 08, 2009 02:56 PM (Ylv1H)

9 "So this is how democracy dies"
Sorry, just channeling Star Wars

Yeah, but the Hollytools were riffing on GWB with that, and also with the "with me or against me" shit they slid in there. These geniuses are too fucking stupid to understand that real danger is easily smart enough to make itself look oh so dreamy to them. I wish they could go live in the world they deserve instead of inflicting it on real people.

Posted by: sherlock at December 08, 2009 02:56 PM (ktKOD)

24 18 I believe there is something in the Constitution that says that revenue bills must originate in the House. Of course, I doubt that Harry much cares about that worn out old document.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 08, 2009 06:53 PM (r1h5M)

It's only considered a revenue bill if they need to defraud America and rape the Constitution through reconciliation.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 08, 2009 02:59 PM (A46hP)

25 How can the House pass the Senate's bill when they could barely pass their own?

The dems have auto-hyped and deluded themselves into thinking passing anything labeled a "Health Care Reform" bill is critical to getting reelected, in spite of what all the polling shows.

Basically, they're suicidal maniacs driving off a cliff.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 02:59 PM (9IXfp)

26 I suspect this will pass and they don't care about polls or anything else because they do NOT fear the next election, i.e. they have it in the bag. ACORN, Justice Department, the MSM, Soros Sec of State Program, Unions, etc will ensure the elections turn out the way they need to.

Posted by: CDR M at December 08, 2009 03:00 PM (cvmTR)

27 All they're voting on is how many seats they lose in 2010.

Posted by: nickless at December 08, 2009 03:01 PM (MMC8r)

28 Seems like this would be harder with the House getting the short end of the stick.

Bet there's a dem-only shadow conference going on right now to make sure whatever the Senate passes will pass in the house. All those Dem house holdouts are being bought off with $200B worth of pork from TARP as I type this.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 03:02 PM (9IXfp)

29 Basically, they're suicidal maniacs ~~driving off a cliff~~ setting off their legislative suicide belt.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 06:59 PM (9IXfp)

FIFY. They're intent on taking us all, and everything, down with them.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 08, 2009 03:02 PM (A46hP)

30 They can not pass a bill in the Senate without sending it to the House as well.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2009 03:18 PM (CDUiN)

31 Basically, they're suicidal maniacs driving off a cliff.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 06:59 PM (9IXfp)

I'd like to get off the bus now.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 08, 2009 03:31 PM (dQdrY)

32 They can not pass a bill in the Senate without sending it to the House as well.

The house is free to vote on text identical to what the Senate passes though - that would avoid a conference committee and revotes on a final bill in both chambers. This ploy could knock weeks off calender time needed to get something on Obama's desk.

There is only two ways this works - the Senate produces something so watered down and innocuous, even republicans could vote for it (ex. insurance transportability across state lines, tougher Medicare fraud penalties, and not much else), or something so festooned with pork to buy off holdout Dems that they don't need/want any Republican votes.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 03:32 PM (9IXfp)

33 I win. I always win. Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me?

Posted by: General Nancy Zod at December 08, 2009 03:32 PM (/m0eu)

34 We MUST make them fear us, or the Republic is dead. The founders knew this. As of the passing of the POS, we're just another 3rd world cleptocracy.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 08, 2009 03:33 PM (B5cM9)

35 All those Dem house holdouts are being bought off with $200B worth of pork from TARP as I type this.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2009 07:02 PM (9IXfp)

Yep.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 08, 2009 03:38 PM (A46hP)

36 thanks again FiftyTwo Percenters, you fucking fucks.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Things, Stuff, and Other Things at December 08, 2009 03:54 PM (erIg9)

So, if Pelosiyeva and Reidski pass what I've read Medicare starts at 55 instead of 65.

Without having to pay for individual private insurance ($800 plus per mo) consulting may be better than a staff position. Set up as an LLC and draw just enough out of the capital account to pay the bills. Lots of things tax deductible. Would need to sit down with a CPA for a detailed comparison but this might drastically reduce tax liabilities.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 08, 2009 03:56 PM (F71c5)

38 The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

Posted by: grand moff tarkin at December 08, 2009 03:58 PM (PD1tk)

39 That TARP shit was what Bambi always intended it for. Chicago politics, buy off your opponents. Blogo was not an isolated case.

As for passing this bill in the Senate I posted earlier about the Dem who was saying that with the amendments they were talking of adding they thought they would get the Main sisters on board.

That would allow 2 of the scared Dems to vote no. 2010 has them all scared.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2009 03:58 PM (CDUiN)

40 What people keep forgetting is that if you think that this thing is unpopular in the abstract, just wait until its implemented. Hell, the tax increases next year alone will shove it's approval (and Obama's as well) into the 20's. For all of Obama's talk about jobs, everything that's on the table is a bona fide job killer. And the jobs numbers and UE will be Obama's Achilles heal going forward. Just wait until the Christmas numbers come in late/early Dec./Jan. It will be way worse that what they're saying. No matter what many say, UE ain't coming down anytime soon. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to 11.5-12% in the next 12 -18 mos. I don't think that Obama even realizes what his plans will do to the remaining producers in this economy. You can only screw the producers so much until they, well, stop producing. If taxes go sky high, as a business owner, I don't care if I grow or not, or whether I get a raise or not. Why work harder when all of your extra margin goes to the Feds? Obama's inability to understand that simple concept will undo him going forward.

Posted by: volfan at December 08, 2009 04:01 PM (lF49h)

41 "How can the House pass the Senate's bill when they could barely pass their own? I can't see that happening."

It won't. There's simply no way, not when their own bill passed by such a slim margin.

" As I understood it, if the Senate passes a bill, they can't filibuster when it comes back from conference anyways, so how would this accomplish anything? I think the point is to get the Senate to pass a bill, and then they only need 50 Senate votes to pass whatever comes out of the conference."

I'd have to look at the Senate Rules, but I'm fairly sure there CAN be a filibuster of a conference report. As long as a measure before the Senate is debatable at all, the Rules require a 3/5 vote to end debate on it.

"I believe there is something in the Constitution that says that revenue bills must originate in the House."

Which is why TARP was passed as a Senate amendment to a House bill, and why I would imagine if the Senate passes a bill (not a certainty at all), it will then, in order to EITHER put it in posture for a conference or get it through the House without a conference, take the language passed in its bill, readopt it as an amendment to the House bill (which is currently in the Senate's possession), and then send it back to the House with a message asking that the House concur in the Senate's amendments or appoint conferees. For all I know, what we're talking about as the Senate "bill" is actually in that posture already, and what they're formally debating is actually a Senate amendment to the House bill, an amendment that starts "strike everything after the enacting clause, and insert in lieu thereof the following: ..."

Posted by: Dave J. at December 08, 2009 04:27 PM (DCQ0q)

42 "politicians are at their most dangerous when desperate." Like any other type of rodent.

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2009 04:50 PM (PhTtl)

43 So where are the worthless freaking Republican senators while this is happening? What happened to the plan to force this POS to be read aloud, even if it took months to accomplish?

Their strategy, whatever it is, appears to be not making much of a fuss whilst these terrorists (yes, I said terrorists) upend the entire foundation of this country!

Posted by: Kensington at December 08, 2009 05:07 PM (BlBnA)

44 How many ways does it need to be said? The left wing of the democratic party has taken control and booted out the moderates. Their leader is Obama. Bill Ayers "Prairie Fire" is the basis of our current foreign and domestic policy. They want total destruction of the capitalist system that is America. They want the destruction of all wealth, or the confiscation of all wealth so that it can be distributed to those deemed worthy.

As David Horowitz says w/ regards to the Alinsky method of installing communism, they don't care about consequences. The care about chaos.

I realize rhetoric and hyperbole are not effective persuasive methods, but damnit all. Wake the hell up. All those communists in Russia and in the Communist international did not just disappear. They are alive and well, and frankly, about to be in total control.

And remember this, they are experts at fomenting civil war. Tread carefully.

Posted by: Derak at December 08, 2009 05:38 PM (+aaQn)

45 Why are we still calling this ObamaCare? We *should* call it ACORNCare...

Posted by: Lone Marauder at December 08, 2009 06:52 PM (p1iaB)

Here's the deal....Democrats are not all bad, but Liberal Democ rats are simply dangerous and a threat to our survival.

How to shut down this mess right now? The margins to pass this nonsense are close so we eliminate Democrats to reduce the numers to pass. As reasonable citizens we must not tolerate representatives who Lie, misrepresent backgrounds, change parties mid stream, ie Fraudulent behavior. The Dems are full of this and very easy to verify, and some Repubs too ( so we lose a few, so what?).

No voting on any bill by individuals involved until charges (ethics and legal) against these clowns --Reid, Pelosi, Frank come to mind-- are settled. This can be done immediately---complain, complain, complain. Talk radio, editorials, the web-- let it flow. It's for ALL our good.

Posted by: Your Wise Uncle Rick at December 09, 2009 05:25 AM (CIK9E)

47 "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills"
Article 1 Section 7, US Constitution.

Ummmm, isn't this unconstitutional?

Posted by: patrick at December 09, 2009 11:36 AM (aPLBU)

48 Patrick, no: see the clause after the "but..." and my earlier comment above.

Posted by: Dave J. at December 09, 2009 04:26 PM (DCQ0q)

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