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December 14, 2009

Value-addition by subtraction. [krakatoa]
— Open Blog

Is it a "trick" if you just ignore all the other thermometers?

Or is is fraud?

via WUWT, Jeff Id at the Air Vent (validating the work done by Save Capitalism -- get that? A peer reviewed blog post) explains how the all-important GHCN data was massaged for the Antarctic. According to a study based on these numbers, the Antarctic is warming at a rate of 4 degrees celsius per century.

Reminiscent of Briffa and his magic Yamal tree, GHCN used one temperature sensor location to represent an entire continent.

Let that sink in. One thermometer in one location is what GHCN has used to report the temperature history of the entire continent of Antarctica.

Now I'm going to ask you to go out on a limb, and guess whether this station was on the high or low-end of temperature change.

In the meantime, the BAS maintains an up to date, value added dataset of their own. Using 63 stations and simple area weighted averaging we get antarctic trends of 0.05 C/decade...
Currently the Â‘homogenizedÂ’ value added version of GHCN has a trend that is EIGHT times higher than actual for the ENTIRE ANTARCTIC CONTINENT.

Check out the post at WUWT for a compilation of graph's & pics of the magical temperature station's "pristine" location.

UPDATE: Typos fixed. At least I got chicken.

Posted by: Open Blog at 07:55 AM | Comments (98)
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1 Spell my name right, asshole!

Posted by: Anders Celsius, Bitter Scandi at December 14, 2009 07:57 AM (D/RCG)

2
One thermometer in one location is what GHCN has used to report the temperature history of the entire continent of Antarctica.

Yeah, Chrichton addressed this tactic in State of Fear where he showed the Warmists using one particular point in Antarctica that was losing ice and claimed it was representative of the entire continent. But the fact was that the continent, as a whole, was gaining ice.

Is that right? I think I remember it that way.

Posted by: the conceited one at December 14, 2009 07:59 AM (z37MR)

3
yeah, Michael Crichton figured out all this more than 6 years ago

Posted by: the conceited one at December 14, 2009 08:00 AM (z37MR)

4 Fraudulent misleading data designed to deceive and manipulate the public into destroying the world economy.

B+

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 14, 2009 08:02 AM (qmAaI)

5 I'm going to have to read that book (State of Fear), assuming it's still in print. You know how the lefties are at suppressing things/people they don't like...

Posted by: Cave Bear at December 14, 2009 08:02 AM (uMihF)

6 This isn't about science anymore -- follow the money: http://tinyurl.com/ycteudf

Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2009 08:04 AM (YLeFn)

7 One thermometer in one location is what GHCN has used to report the temperature history of the entire continent of Antarctica.

All intelligent people understand why this is OK.

Deniers. Hrmph.

Posted by: Mark Morano at December 14, 2009 08:04 AM (NtiET)

Or is is fraud?

Depends on what the meaning of "is is" is.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 14, 2009 08:04 AM (SCcgT)

9 krak , Have a peek at this , then watch this video . Pretty funny developing story , Uganda hardest hit .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 14, 2009 08:05 AM (vKdhq)

10 It's science, dude. You wouldn't get it.

Posted by: FURPC at December 14, 2009 08:06 AM (ZJ6KO)

11 Why not just stick the sensor in the exhaust of the helicopters? You'll get much better data there.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2009 08:06 AM (mAhn3)

12 I asked this on WUWT this AM, but will repeat here: Does anyone have a list of the temperature sites of the three datasets identified by there spatial contribution to the global average? It would seem if the Â“TeamÂ” was going to get creative with adjustments they would have done so where they got the most value Â— when a crooked shopkeeper is going to put his thumb on the scale he does it for the fish, not the potatoes. Might make a nice map to start working this data back.

Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2009 08:07 AM (PjevJ)

13 Frank Lutz or Letz or whatever, the Fox polling guy, reported this morning that only 9% of Americans believe that "climate change" is not caused by human activity. Was so depressed I nearly had to pour a shot of liquor in my coffee until I considered the source. (I don't like the guy or trust his data.)

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 14, 2009 08:08 AM (ZtwUX)

4 Fraudulent misleading data designed to deceive and manipulate the public into destroying the world economy.

That's a peace prize!

Posted by: Al Gore at December 14, 2009 08:10 AM (v+QvA)

15 So the 'summer' picture at the link shows bare ground. Are they trying to make the case that that was the temp for all of Antarctica?

Posted by: nickless at December 14, 2009 08:12 AM (MMC8r)

16 Have a peek at this , then watch this video . Pretty funny developing story , Uganda hardest hit . Canadia accpets climate debt. Very f'in noble. I suspect they will continue to export petroleum products as rapidly as they can extract them.

Posted by: fluffy, carbonater at December 14, 2009 08:12 AM (4Kl5M)

17 "JUST LEAVE THE SCIENTISTS ALONE" !

Posted by: FURPC at December 14, 2009 08:13 AM (ZJ6KO)

18 I am starting to feel like the Chicken.

Posted by: The Scientific Method at December 14, 2009 08:15 AM (SqAkN)

19 @12 Jean:
Short answer: No.

The issue is the extreme paucity of data leads to a whole lot of infilling and 'spreading' the influence of individual thermometers. So it isn't a simple job to just sort thermometers by relative weight in the overall plot. (Although, I agree, that would rock.)

A thermometer might be used to help adjust a temperature 2000km away - or it might not even reach 50% importance in measuring temperature right next to it. And it fluctuates widely case-by-case.

Posted by: Al at December 14, 2009 08:15 AM (kzhBw)

20 The warmists order their secret sauce by the hogshead.

Posted by: they lie! at December 14, 2009 08:15 AM (PD1tk)

21 fluffy, carbonater , It's a very elaborate hoax .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 14, 2009 08:16 AM (vKdhq)

22 Frank Lutz or Letz or whatever, the Fox polling guy, reported this morning that only 9% of Americans believe that "climate change" is not caused by human activity. Was so depressed I nearly had to pour a shot of liquor in my coffee until I considered the source. (I don't like the guy or trust his data.) Consider this, instead: Lots of mush headed people are going to get misty eyed about the cute little polar bears, but most of them guard their wallet. That is what makes Ed Begley stand out among the eco-scolds; he is one of the few that walks the silly walk.

Posted by: fluffy, skeptic at December 14, 2009 08:16 AM (4Kl5M)

23 Is a "tudy" a study with a "trick" incorporated to get the result you want?

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 14, 2009 08:16 AM (cd0d9)

That's it! I shall ban you from the internets and reveal your private information!

But first, andybody want a calendar?

Posted by: Charles Johnson's Calendar at December 14, 2009 08:16 AM (wnU1W)

25 #13, are you sure you heard that right? Lutz has some issues (at the very least the issue of being annoying), but I find it hard to believe the 91% believe in AGW.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 14, 2009 08:18 AM (cd0d9)

26 fluffy, carbonater , It's a very elaborate hoax . Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 14, 2009 12:16 PM (vKdhq) I might be perfect for an editor's job at the NYT.

Posted by: fluffy the gullible at December 14, 2009 08:19 AM (4Kl5M)

27 If we think this thru, can this AGW crap be a big win for America? Lets assume they cobble something together in Copenhagen, call it Kyoto II - with even more bling for the third world elites, but a longer timeline term for the first world. First, it goes nowhere in the US Senate. Second, the EPAs attempts to screw us get tied up in court forever. Thus, if EU businesses want to stay competitive they will need to migrate operations to the US or any other scab (China, India, etc) that doesn't sign on. Moving operations (or starting new ones) to the US is a lot more attractive then China - so could the US gain jobs at the EU's expense.

Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2009 08:20 AM (6Njk9)

Do I believe human activity affects the climate? Yes.

Do I believe my house gets hot in July because I have a 100 watt lamp on? No.

Big difference.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 14, 2009 08:21 AM (SCcgT)

29
Seriously, the blog hits harder without all the spelling errors.

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 14, 2009 08:22 AM (dAXt7)

Scientists are a bunch of pikers. Hell, if they had any sense, they'd do what I do. Just make shit up and lie about it.

What's that? That's what they're already doing? Oh.

Never mind.

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 14, 2009 08:22 AM (Gn3nw)

31 Ha ! Even the Ugandan video response is fake .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 14, 2009 08:22 AM (vKdhq)

32 Sorry Al, I wasn't clear. I don't want the truth - I want the BS the AGW crowd did. From their grid can we back out the stations that have the largest contribution to the "global average" due to the space they represent.

Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2009 08:22 AM (s0Jxq)

33 7 ---check your sock, I think you mean Matt Maslin?

Posted by: Derak at December 14, 2009 08:24 AM (0BfdT)

34 Crap.

I thought copied it from a post from yesterday.... *sniff*

Posted by: Bad Sockpuppet, no cookie at December 14, 2009 08:25 AM (NtiET)

35 According to a tudy based on these numbers, the Antarctic is warming at a rate of 4 degrees celcius ....

Loose shit.

Posted by: Mr. Paul Anka at December 14, 2009 08:26 AM (8/DeP)

36 so could the US gain jobs at the EU's expense. Can I take the vacations that French, Germans & Skandis refuse to take?

Posted by: fluffy the gullible at December 14, 2009 08:26 AM (4Kl5M)

According to a tudy based on these numbers

Is 'tudy' a typo of 'turd'?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 14, 2009 08:26 AM (2qU2d)

38 Yeah, I read this last night.

It was a pretty neat trick.

Until someone actually started digging for the truth.

|||||||

Suddenly the Warmist Magician's 'bag of tricks' is getting noticeably smaller.

I suspect the 'next distraction' should be along any time now.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 14, 2009 08:28 AM (lYKj1)

39 AGW is just Alar-induced mass hysteria. Case closed.

Posted by: Bugler at December 14, 2009 08:29 AM (YCVBL)

40
Hey, check it out: we're being followed by Bruno Napalitano on twitter!

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 14, 2009 08:29 AM (dAXt7)

41 @27 so could the US gain jobs at the EU's expense. That makes sense, but then we wouldn't be popular. That's all that matters, silly.

Posted by: FURPC at December 14, 2009 08:30 AM (ZJ6KO)

42 It's mercury poisoning from tooth fillings.

Posted by: Bugler at December 14, 2009 08:31 AM (YCVBL)

43 It's kinda funny to watch old fools like Chuckey Johnson double and triple down on their stupidity while the rattling wreck that is "Global Warming" is rapidly disintegrating like a Fizzy in a glass of water.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2009 08:31 AM (OlN4e)

44 Brain-frying radiation from cellphones.

Posted by: Bugler at December 14, 2009 08:32 AM (YCVBL)

45 "tudy" ? Wasn't she on "Facts of Life" ?

Posted by: FURPC at December 14, 2009 08:32 AM (ZJ6KO)

46 andycanuck, well, that tudy WAS several degrees warmer than it should have been. I expect it was giving off some steam as well.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 14, 2009 08:32 AM (9Sbz+)

47 Hey, check it out: we're being followed by Bruno Napalitano on twitter! Is he the gay Sacha Baron Cohen character?

Posted by: fluffy at December 14, 2009 08:33 AM (4Kl5M)

48 Victims of satanic ritual abuse.

Posted by: Bugler at December 14, 2009 08:33 AM (YCVBL)

49 I believe, as others noted on Jeff Id's site, that most Antarctic sites, and all of the ones in Antarctica proper (the 'Peninsula' is an island) are past 80deg S and not included in GHCN on that basis. Still, it does mean you can't) get valid 'global' temperature numbers straight from GHCN, much less just Antarctica.

Posted by: mrkwong at December 14, 2009 08:34 AM (V5EM5)

Is it a "trick" if you just ignore all the other thermometers?

That's exactly what the MSM does 24/7; it's lying by omission.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 14, 2009 08:35 AM (cd0d9)

51 Can you still stop at the tudy free shop?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 14, 2009 08:36 AM (SqAkN)

Yuo lookign fro a jobb? Weer' hriing!

Posted by: Teh Grauniad at December 14, 2009 08:37 AM (9Sbz+)

Holy Crap...there is a town built up around that temperature monitoring station. Go look at the pics.

It ain't out in the middle of nowheres...there's freakin Starbucks (actually it's just referred to as just a coffehouse, but Starbucks sounds snarkier) right near it

For fooks sake...there should be prosecutions for this hoax.

Posted by: beedubya at December 14, 2009 08:38 AM (ZBARy)

54 "tudy" ? Wasn't she on "Facts of Life" ?

What knockers!

Posted by: they lie! at December 14, 2009 08:38 AM (PD1tk)

55 All my diddle queens were gorgeous. I know that once you look at them you sort of sour on my tastes, but I was using the same thermometer for all of them - my wang.

Posted by: Clenis at December 14, 2009 08:43 AM (GtYrq)

56 OK, so that data collection site isn't perfect. Pretty solid B+, but not perfect.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at December 14, 2009 08:43 AM (+lsX1)

57 It's that bad stuff leaching out of plastic bottles.

Posted by: Bugler at December 14, 2009 08:43 AM (YCVBL)

58 The science is settled - damn it. Now quit asking questions. That is our job. (snickers).

Posted by: Main Stream Media at December 14, 2009 08:44 AM (hKyl0)

59 But first, anybody want a calendar?

You leave my Charles ALONE!

Posted by: W_Lover at December 14, 2009 08:44 AM (fQbmA)

A note to all the Climate "Scientists": Treemometers in arid areas don't measure temperature. They measure precipitation.

Liebig's Law.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 14, 2009 08:45 AM (XYlG6)

tudy" ? Wasn't she on "Facts of Life" ?

Tudy, get in her and put on a coat. You know with all the global warming out there, its freezing!

Posted by: Mrs. Garrett at December 14, 2009 08:46 AM (hKyl0)

"Is 'tudy' a typo of 'turd'?

Nope. Contraction of hot patudy

Posted by: MDr at December 14, 2009 08:46 AM (ucq49)

63 This needs to be packaged (in a good way) for general consumption: "measured outside the Antarctic Starbucks"? Measured..... something catchy needed.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 14, 2009 08:46 AM (cd0d9)

64 The 3 networks coverage of climategate - solid B+

Posted by: Mallamutt at December 14, 2009 08:47 AM (hKyl0)

65 Hey, check it out: we're being followed by Bruno Napalitano on twitter!

We better be careful. Rush said this morning the US Gov't is starting to watch the social networks to ferret out dissenters.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 14, 2009 08:47 AM (B5cM9)

66 Facts of Life ?! Don't get me started. Tootie and Jo were such bitches.

Posted by: Blair at December 14, 2009 08:52 AM (8/DeP)

67 @55 I was using the same thermometer for all of them - my wang. This guy may be a real scientist. But I'm not gonna just jump in and give any credibility yet until I check his Emails ... lest I get immersed in the WangGate scandal.

Posted by: FURPC at December 14, 2009 08:53 AM (ZJ6KO)

68 Scientific Method? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 14, 2009 08:56 AM (nz654)

Or is is fraud?

>Depends on what the meaning of "is is" is.

Well, it is fraud, but it isn't is is fraud fraud.

Posted by: Whoopi G. at December 14, 2009 08:56 AM (Be4xl)

Posted by: Mark Morano at December 14, 2009 12:04 PM (NtiET)

FYI: Mark is the good guy... Maslin was the guy telling you that you were stupid.

Thanks to all for pointing out my terrible spelling. I try to not let people know I dropped out of third grade after I got my driver's license. Sometimes I'm more successful than others.

Posted by: krakatoa at December 14, 2009 08:57 AM (hQbvm)

71 Rush just said that all the East Anglia Climate links have been taken down.

Posted by: dagny at December 14, 2009 08:58 AM (cG9YA)

72 I am so embarrassed.

Posted by: Bad Sockpuppet, no cookie at December 14, 2009 09:01 AM (NtiET)

Rush just said that all the East Anglia Climate links have been taken down

Removing links is wrong....hey, where is my link at this site?

Posted by: Charles Johnson at December 14, 2009 09:01 AM (hKyl0)

Reminiscent of Briffa and his magic Yamal tree

You forgot me!

Posted by: Unicorns at December 14, 2009 09:02 AM (hKyl0)

You can't rely on a network of stations in Antartica...the place is eaten up with rabid penguins, Cthulhu and The Thing, people.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 14, 2009 09:05 AM (B+qrE)

Unicorns are real the science is settled. It is up the the flat earth deniars to prove they don't exist!

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 14, 2009 09:06 AM (SqAkN)

77 fnc had the stats that most americans believe global warming is man made.....and believe something should be done about it......i believe that scientist created global warming and should be tarred and feathered.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2009 09:09 AM (ucxC/)

78 From the link:

ItÂ’s time the GOOD scientists demand GOOD TEMPERATURE DATA.

I don't know if such a thing exists.

I was reading some of the comments from a post at WUWT yesterday and I just don't know. Even if you didn't have fraud, there's so much that could go wrong. So many ways of looking at temp: highs and lows, average, one season vs. the year, etc. etc. ad infinitum. And since we know there's fraud, it's total b.s.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 14, 2009 09:11 AM (Be4xl)

i believe that scientist created global warming and should be tarred and feathered.

I believe those who call themselves scientists and instead are criminal conspiracists should be beheaded after sharing a cell with Bubba the 400 lb rapist for six months. Yes, this crime is that bad.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 14, 2009 09:12 AM (B+qrE)

80 Removing links is wrong....hey, where is my link at this site?

Up my ass.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 14, 2009 09:14 AM (qmAaI)

81 There is no good temperature data. You would have to travel backwards in time with an accurate thermometer and take readings everyday all over the world every year in every situation. Maybe the Star Ship has an easier way but other than that....

Posted by: dagny at December 14, 2009 09:14 AM (cG9YA)

82 Political people use real scientists for political gain. They are therefore called hack scientists who believe anything the political people say is truth. All they have to go is somehow "Find the Truth." Much like what the political people do, tell a whopper, and see if it flies. If it sinks like a lead ballon, find another "Truth."

Posted by: mystry at December 14, 2009 09:16 AM (kmgIE)

Why to build the army?

I think ought ot reduce the army.

Posted by: Laptop-battery at December 14, 2009 09:17 AM (7pJ2+)

84 Leroy Baggins!

Posted by: Winston at December 14, 2009 09:19 AM (FggW0)

85 Why to build the army? I think ought ot reduce the army. I don't buy laptop batteries from surrender monkeys!!

Posted by: fluffy, hawk at December 14, 2009 09:23 AM (4Kl5M)

86 Are there any more good scientists? That's an interesting question. The communists have been actively infiltrating the educational system for the past 50 years or so. It has been my experience that the hard sciences and engineering were still populated by fairly conservative people, but that may have changed since I was in school. To be objective precludes being a leftist, as too much real life data must be willfully distorted or ignored to make reality jibe with a leftist world view. So I could not answer that question with any personal certainty. I cannot recall many real scientific breakthroughs coming out of Communist countries since WWII. As independent thought was punishable by death or other method. When leftists take everything over, civilisation will pretty much stagnate , fall to a level of acceptable poverty and become an intellectual wasteland. They will call it a worker's paradise...

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2009 09:24 AM (OlN4e)

87 Only RINOs fix their typos.

Posted by: Purity Republican at December 14, 2009 09:28 AM (mGSN1)

Bomb bomb bomb Iran.

Anyone wanna buy wireless routers, new video cards, or top of the line Hard drives? 0% interest! Free shipping and handling on all orders over 100$!!!!

Posted by: Desktop Accessory Guy at December 14, 2009 09:31 AM (SqAkN)

89 Posted by: Desktop Accessory Guy at December 14, 2009 01:31 PM (SqAkN)

Link fail. And to think I might have bought some. Tsk.

Posted by: grognard at December 14, 2009 09:33 AM (v0kvW)

90 76

Rush just said that all the East Anglia Climate links have been taken down

Removing links is wrong....hey, where is my link at this site?

Posted by: Charles Johnson at December 14, 2009 01:01 PM (hKyl0)

You need laptop-battery to link

Posted by: kbdalaptop-battery at December 14, 2009 09:36 AM (7FgWm)

91 Ya might have some chicken, but the damned blackspire whelps still ganked yer arse, Leeroy.

Posted by: Kristopher at December 14, 2009 09:36 AM (Jjzb5)

Save me Obi Wan Marx, you are my only hope!

Posted by: Princess Obama of Chicagoa at December 14, 2009 09:46 AM (SqAkN)

93 23 #13, are you sure you heard that right? Lutz has some issues (at the very least the issue of being annoying), but I find it hard to believe the 91% believe in AGW.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 14, 2009 12:18 PM (cd0d9)

You're right, 91% of DEMOCRATS believe in global warming, while a mere 84% of Independents and 72% of Republicans believe the same. Poll results

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 14, 2009 10:11 AM (ZtwUX)

And that's not the number who believe in manmade global warming but includes those who believe in natural climate change/global warming.

I'm not going to bother doing the research, but the polling firm named sounds like a leftie front group, so there's no judging their methodology, sampling techniques, biased questions etc.

But something I've seen in polls done all over the world, from here, the U.S., Australia, Britain, that when real polling firms liek Gallup ask "Would you pay more in taxes/gasoline prices/energy prices/heating oil to combat manmade global warming?" the clear majority answer "no".

Posted by: andycanuck at December 14, 2009 10:55 AM (2qU2d)

95 liek = like

Posted by: andycanuck at December 14, 2009 10:56 AM (2qU2d)

96 So they've done the equvalent of basing the temperature of the US and Canada off of a single temperature reading in Miami. I'm sure the answer from the alarmists is "pah, our climate scientists know better than you, and only a disgusting subhuman oil-funded troll would think this matters. And for God's sake, THINK OF TEH POLAR BEARS!!!"

Posted by: ds at December 14, 2009 11:13 AM (AXuj2)

97 AARONOW
Yes. I mean are you actually talking about this, or are we just...

MOSS
No, we're just...

AARONOW
We're just "talking" about it.

MOSS
We're just speaking about it. (pause) As an idea.

AARONOW
As an idea.

MOSS
Yes.

AARONOW
We're not actually talking about it.

MOSS
No.

AARONOW
Talking about it as a...

MOSS
No.

AARONOW
As a robbery.

MOSS
As a "robbery"?! No.

AARONOW
Well. Well...

MOSS
Hey.

AARONOW
So all this, um, you didn't,actually, you didn't go talk to Graff.

MOSS
Not actually, no.

AARONOW
You didn't?

MOSS
No. Not actually.

AARONOW
Did you?

MOSS
What did you say?

MOSS
Yes.
I said, "Not actually." The fuck you care, George? We're just talking...

AARONOW
We are?

MOSS
Yes.

AARONOW
Because, because, you know, it's a crime.

MOSS
That's right. It's a crime. It is a crime. It's also very safe.

AARONOW
You're actually talking about this?

MOSS
That's right.

Posted by: DM! at December 14, 2009 11:15 AM (34YIo)

98 Damn it, fucking tabs!

If only an edit button...

Posted by: DM! at December 14, 2009 11:16 AM (34YIo)

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