November 29, 2009
— Gabriel Malor
Huckabee's chickens coming home to roost:
Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.
"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.
Back when Huckabee was governor, the people of Arkansas were so worried about his commutations of violent criminals, they looked at amending the state constitution to limit the governor's pardon power. This is what Huckabee had to say about executive clemency:
“I would not deny that my sense of the reality of redemption is a factor,” the former Baptist pastor said in a radio interview with KUAR in Little Rock. “And I don’t know that I can apologize for that because I would hate to think of the kind of human I would be if I thought people were beyond forgiveness and beyond reformation and beyond some sense of improvement.”
Our previous coverage of Huckabee's misguided and, well, dangerous use of the pardon power is here and here.
Via @redhk.
More:I'm sure a thousand people are digging up old news reports on Huckabee and Clemmons. And there will be a hundred stories in all the media tomorrow on Huckabee's future in politics. Here's the summary in advance:
(1) Huckabee pardoned Clemmons because they had a mutual acquaintance, he labored at the governor's mansion under a prisoner work program, or a minister intervened on his behalf. No, I don't actually know why he did it and Huckabee was notorious for refusing to give reasons for his pardons. These characteristics are what many of Huckabee's pardons had in common.
(2) The possibility that Huckabee will run for president in 2012 has moved from "less than likely" (see sidebar) to "not a chance in hell." Which, is the way I like it. He always was just a populist with a Bible. His shameful Mormon-baiting in Iowa ultimately gave us McCain last year. We no longer have to worry what Certain Fuckin' Doomabee will bring us next time.
Last Thing (for now): Huckabee's statement that it is "less than likely that I will run in 2012" preceded the assassination. Unless he has magic preacher clairvoyance, the two are unrelated.
Late Update: Huckabee makes a statement, passes the buck.
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Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:19 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: HowardDevore at November 29, 2009 05:19 PM (yxfok)
Would you like to borrow my tank helmet?
Posted by: Mike Dukakis at November 29, 2009 05:21 PM (VhQ/4)
Posted by: ef at November 29, 2009 05:21 PM (+5ndY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:21 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Star Witness at November 29, 2009 05:21 PM (2YS8r)
Posted by: BuckNutty at November 29, 2009 05:22 PM (lArRj)
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 29, 2009 05:23 PM (mQi3C)
Posted by: Bill at November 29, 2009 05:23 PM (LZSir)
Boy, I thought I couldn't dislike Fuckabee any more.
Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 29, 2009 05:24 PM (q6dIH)
Posted by: Never Mind at November 29, 2009 05:24 PM (kdRml)
Damn violent nazi teabagger:
Deputies also interviewed other family members. They reported that Clemmons had been saying he could fly and that he expected President Obama to visit to "confirm that he is Messiah in the flesh."
Posted by: Warmolyte at November 29, 2009 05:26 PM (SgSfB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:26 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at November 29, 2009 05:27 PM (6yeMs)
Teh Won brooks no competition. Clemmons goes under the O-bus ASAP.
Posted by: PA Cat at November 29, 2009 05:28 PM (l3v1U)
Posted by: sonnyspats at November 29, 2009 05:29 PM (gG3aH)
Former 2012 Presidential candidate and retiring Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee responded .........
Latest press release.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 05:30 PM (Ym9lj)
To rate a flaming skull on AoS means you have either performed a magnificent feat or fucked the chicken. Mike Huckabee chose the chicken.
Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 05:30 PM (6mfq0)
The Huckchurian candidate? Makes ya' wonder how many other walking time bombs are out there that the Huckster has issued a clemency too.
Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:30 PM (+FzLa)
...
keep violent criminals in prison until their term is up.
.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 29, 2009 05:31 PM (ruzrP)
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 05:31 PM (Ym9lj)
Posted by: Frank G at November 29, 2009 05:32 PM (I+To0)
Posted by: jimmytheleg at November 29, 2009 05:32 PM (zrguT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:32 PM (UOM48)
well there goes Huckadoodle from the '12 running.....
Chicken-fied moonbat won't play well if he has a hand in a multi-count murder spree....
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 05:32 PM (dCpk3)
Likewise.
OTOH, I'm grateful to whichever bloggers are going to watch his stupid show tomorrow and report on his reaction or lack of, so I don't have to.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2009 05:32 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: DaMav at November 29, 2009 05:33 PM (QNU76)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 29, 2009 05:33 PM (B5cM9)
Posted by: YIKES! at November 29, 2009 05:33 PM (LswIE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:34 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 05:34 PM (BBlLR)
You can't make this shit up. Huck is a dick.
Baptist diet freak, NOT a conservative. Green shit, really just a stupid f king hillbilly.
I am from the South, I can say that.
Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 05:35 PM (2+9Yx)
This guy shouldn't have been out until around 2025.
Huckabee should be fucked over this. Meanwhile his poor decision may have cost the State of Washington 4 police officers lives. I am mad as hell!
Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 05:36 PM (g7J39)
Posted by: OJ Simpson-the fastest man in cell block e at November 29, 2009 05:36 PM (dCpk3)
I was born and raised in Texas and I say "Amen, brother!"
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 05:37 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 05:37 PM (W98LL)
Posted by: steevy at November 29, 2009 05:37 PM (QWIzU)
So why couldn't he have tested out the flying bit rather than kill cops?
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at November 29, 2009 05:38 PM (hCQG5)
Posted by: Voluble at November 29, 2009 05:38 PM (nZNTl)
44,
Hey I have lived among the southerners for most of myt adult life....
Love the folks hate the climate, but the one thing most agree on is Huckadoodle would be better served stunt-doubling for Jim and or Tammy faye Bakker than PotUS.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 05:38 PM (dCpk3)
What a sanctimonious weasel...even without today's tragedy.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 29, 2009 05:38 PM (MZhz7)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 29, 2009 05:38 PM (554T5)
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 05:39 PM (BBlLR)
Can there be any doubt that Sarah Palin used her psychic ice-joo uterus powers to take over Clemmons' mind and thus destroy Huckabee's chances to run in 2012.
Can there?
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at November 29, 2009 05:40 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt Paramus at November 29, 2009 05:41 PM (I2aaX)
58,
You seem to have a rare grasp of the conspiratorial mind of the Chillbilly zionists.....
hats off Andi
Posted by: Charles Johnson's hair extensions at November 29, 2009 05:41 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:41 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at November 29, 2009 05:41 PM (QWIzU)
Mike Dukakis rode atop the tank to screw his presidential chances, Gary Hart diddled Donna Rice aboard "Monkey Business" which screwed his opportunity, and Mike Huckabee granted clemency to a scumbag to win the vote of blacks and bleeding heart liberals or so he thought, only to find out he simply fucked the chicken.
Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 05:42 PM (6mfq0)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt Paramus at November 29, 2009 05:42 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: The Conservative Gazette at November 29, 2009 05:42 PM (dJ9G2)
Well... Palin WAS in the state of Washington today, just a few hours down the road at a book signing... coincidence?
Posted by: your mom at November 29, 2009 05:43 PM (zzd8k)
Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 05:43 PM (gofDd)
And $150K bond set for the alleged rape of a child? You gotta be shittin' me.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 29, 2009 09:38 PM (554T5)
Almost as disturbing, who the hell was crazy enough to pay the bond of a schizo child molester?
Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:43 PM (+FzLa)
Letting criminals go free because you feel sorry for them is not "conservatism."
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2009 05:43 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: Ray at November 29, 2009 05:44 PM (eSTUq)
Posted by: The needle at November 29, 2009 05:44 PM (t/GDA)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:44 PM (UOM48)
Huckadoodle would be better served stunt-doubling for Jim and or Tammy faye Bakker than PotUS
BINGO!
Get this dick off Fox! Makes them look stupid!
Oh, and I can't get my skull to show up, WTF?
Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 05:45 PM (2+9Yx)
Mætenloch: On the other hand Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons after serving 11 years of a 60 year sentence for burglary and theft of property. Unless there were extenuating circumstances that seems an awfully harsh sentence.
It seems like EXACTLY THE RIGHT sentence.
Dude would have been in jail until he was 77 years old - WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN - in the meantime, those four police officers [three policemen and one policewoman] would still be alive and that child wouldn't have been raped.
PS: Aren't you an Admin at this site?
Why is Ace allowing RINO poseurs to be Admins?!?
Oh, I forgot - Ace himself is a RINO poseur.
Sheesh.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 05:45 PM (cu0m1)
With some exceptions, I consider myself a social conservative and I don't like or trust the guy one bit. Never have, and now this.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 29, 2009 05:46 PM (554T5)
This is the way of those who are foolish,
And of their posterity who approve their sayings.
Selah
Psalm 49
Posted by: Rocks at November 29, 2009 05:46 PM (B0vt9)
2008 Iowa Caucus winner and current GOP poll leader Mike Huckabee says it is "less than likely" he will run for President in 2012. Huckabee was a guest on "Fox News Sunday" with Chris Wallace when he made the remarks.
Huckabee is wildly popular with social conservatives in Iowa. He is viewed favorably by 70 percent of Iowa Republicans, according to a Des Moines Register poll released last weekend. Only Sarah Palin comes close to Huckabee's popularity in the Hawkeye State. The former Arkansas governor is also the leader in a nationwide Gallup poll.
Huckabee cited his self-titled Fox News Channel program as his main cause for not running. "The reason I wouldn't is because this Fox gig that I've got right now is really, really wonderful," Huckabee said. "A lot of it depends on how the elections turn out next year and whether Roger Ailes continues to like my show on the weekends and if all those things factor in, it's less likely than more likely."
Squirrels coming home to roost.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 05:46 PM (g7J39)
I agree. Compassionate conservatism is another name for liberalism.
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 05:46 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 05:46 PM (XQwpJ)
I suspect that another closet Republican Progressive has just been smoked out of the closet. Watch who comes forward and says nice things about him.
Posted by: OldNuc at November 29, 2009 05:47 PM (RCSVq)
I hope this puts an end to us having to watch the creepy Huckabee talk out of all sides of his mouth. Never liked nor trusted him.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Roger Ailes had the balls to fire Huckabee tomorrow?
I would pay cash money to watch that announcement.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 05:47 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt Paramus at November 29, 2009 05:48 PM (I2aaX)
Shit, at least I never let out someone that went and killed cops!
Wait...did I?
I'll get back to you.
Posted by: Mike Dukakis at November 29, 2009 05:48 PM (P33XN)
I still be his poll numbers will be high this week. Too many people just don't pay attention....look, a squirrel!!...
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 09:44 PM (UOM4
The media will be heart broken too when this angle starts to get out. Now they'll have to find another reach across the aisle RINO douche to endorse for the GOP ticket instead.
Unless McCain decides to run again. Oh god kill me now.
Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:49 PM (+FzLa)
.... but not that mysterious.
I mean, c'mon. -a child-raping murderer ...?
Wow.
Posted by: The LORD at November 29, 2009 05:49 PM (ruzrP)
If I didn't like Sarah Palin so much I'd be scared of her. Karma is taking to her detractors like flies to a swatter. It's like Fire Starter or something.
Meanwhile, forgot to bookmark it (d'oh!) but those two party crashers knew Bammy through his ties to Rashid Khalidi, so he didn't think twice about them being imposters.
Posted by: RushBabe at November 29, 2009 05:49 PM (LKkE8)
On the one hand, they don't want to publicize the story of a Black man murdering four cops.
On the other hand, they'd love to highlight how Huckabee pardoned and set loose on the world a man who became a career criminal and a multiple cop-killer.
But on the other hand, destroying Huckabee's political reputation can only be good for Sarah Palin, so it's got to be bad in their eyes.
They must be running around in circles, trying to decide how to balance all those factors.
Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 05:50 PM (Ate22)
When Huck played with Lynard Skynard it was weird seeing a suited fat guy who never snorted coke off a ho's ass pretending he belonged with the band. Thank God they didn't play Freebird.
Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 05:50 PM (6mfq0)
The desire to live in a state that forces your life choices on everyone isn't held just by moonbats and ecowhackos, you know.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2009 05:50 PM (OkT2m)
It was probably his mama, or heaven help me....the kid's mama. (Seen that one too many times, made me wanna puke whenever that happened.)
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 29, 2009 05:51 PM (KWhJd)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 05:51 PM (W98LL)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 05:51 PM (UOM48)
Sadly he's probably not going anywhere on Fox.
They made a big to-do about firing the cop-killer luvah 'Dr' Marc Lamont Hill. Yet he's found his way back onto the network? What the duece?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 05:52 PM (XQwpJ)
Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 05:52 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Flyover Sam at November 29, 2009 05:52 PM (7r7wy)
Posted by: Doc at November 29, 2009 05:52 PM (rzJpR)
60 years for a burglary charge does sound excessive on face value. And to an earlier poster, why not throw him in a clink for 100 years for jaywalking? It would have "saved lives" too.
Nutball should have been committed, apparently. Prayers for all the families.
Posted by: Techie at November 29, 2009 05:53 PM (cxW4X)
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 05:53 PM (BBlLR)
Hi there.
Posted by: Tim Pawlenty at November 29, 2009 05:53 PM (5I0Yr)
Ace a Rhino? Did you mean Wino?
If he lets whining crybaby RINOs like Maetenloch work as Admins here, then yeah, that would make Ace a RINO.
[Unless maybe someone is phishing/trolling as Maetenloch?!?]
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 05:54 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 05:54 PM (gofDd)
I'll bet Huck wishes he had one of those off-ramps Obama was talking about, right about now.
You Betchya !
Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:54 PM (+FzLa)
110,
the main thrust is for an armed robbery 60 years especially if it was an aggravated robbery based on multiple offenses is not outrageous....
R-Kansas doesn't screw around when it comes to sentences, so no "unequal justice" Je$$e Jack$on comedy hour riff....
Nah, Huckadoodle governed like an Imam would here....I think in its passive aggressive way that is why the M$M loved the chicken-fried Swaggert.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 05:55 PM (dCpk3)
Shit, I would have voted for Hannibal Lecter to keep the commie out of the White House.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 29, 2009 05:55 PM (554T5)
Isn't this precisely the kind of Republican we want torn down? The "easy on crime" Republicrats. Willie Horton Republicans?
We certainly don't want them in our party now do we?
Posted by: someguy at November 29, 2009 05:56 PM (VRJIW)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 29, 2009 05:56 PM (Z0bVg)
Huck, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish, but Michael Dukakis had one of the best political career destroying scandals ever.
Of All Time !
Posted by: Kanye West at November 29, 2009 05:56 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 05:56 PM (gofDd)
103 Huck, the Lord wants you to join GreenPeace and strap yourself to a whale.
Yes, praise God, you are right, and I will be on da whale just when he be's swimming by West Memphis.
Posted by: Da Huck at November 29, 2009 05:58 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 05:58 PM (W98LL)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 29, 2009 05:58 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Jimmy Swaggart at November 29, 2009 05:58 PM (cIkZu)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 05:59 PM (kKP5O)
60 years for a burglary charge does sound excessive on face value. And to an earlier poster, why not throw him in a clink for 100 years for jaywalking? It would have "saved lives" too.
How about we throw your whining crybaby RINO parasite ass into jail with him?
We'll let him have the top bunk - you can be his wife...
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 05:59 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: Schadenfreude at November 29, 2009 06:00 PM (LKkE8)
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 06:00 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt Paramus at November 29, 2009 06:00 PM (I2aaX)
A worse candidate than McCain. I can barely conceive of such a thing.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 06:02 PM (IJMBR)
Huck found out and he knows he is indirectly responsible for this
I'm sure he'll keep his FOX gig, but he knows that if he ever ran again, his fellow republicans would bring him down during the primaries. Huckabee is just as dangerous as any other religious nutcase and is more dangerous in certain regards in that he puts a friendly, smiling face on religious douchebaggery.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 06:03 PM (g7J39)
Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 29, 2009 06:03 PM (q6dIH)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 06:03 PM (kKP5O)
Like throwing RINO around? How about this one, MOBY?
Piss off.
Posted by: Techie at November 29, 2009 06:03 PM (cxW4X)
Motherfuckerbee
BINGO.
Although I might spell it "Muthafuckabee."
As in "Former 2012 Presidential Candidate Hike Muthafuckabee."
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 06:03 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: Lt. Chewbacca-1st Officer Millenium Falcon at November 29, 2009 06:04 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: HiHo at November 29, 2009 06:04 PM (LBAbB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 06:05 PM (UOM48)
What Palin believes and what she wants YOU to believe are entirely different things.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 06:05 PM (IJMBR)
I'm no Huck fan...but your dancing in the blood of the Officers with the profound benefit of hindsight is very unbecoming and lacking any degree of decency.
Posted by: MJN1957 at November 29, 2009 06:05 PM (0iOWD)
Huckabee knows a different Lord than me.
My Lord is all loving and all forgiving -- but only if you truly spend your life in repentance after a major malfunction. And even then only after you've finally reach the other side.
Posted by: Tinian at November 29, 2009 06:06 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Bus #13-Barack Ogabe's Wheels of Doom at November 29, 2009 06:06 PM (dCpk3)
stop drinking the apocalyptic Kool-Aid
Jesus Christ this site is overrun with RINO parasite scum.
No wonder Jim Robinson is trying so hard to purge you sorry whoresons from the big tent.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 06:07 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: Freida Lay at November 29, 2009 06:07 PM (ax4Qo)
Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (opdYb)
anyway we'll find out whether or not Huckadoodle would have released the DC beltway snipers on his "actionline"....
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (dCpk3)
Piss off.
Yeah, you'd like that - right in your big fat RINO mouth - wouldn't you?
I'll drop Andrew Sullivan a line and see if he can free up some time in his busy schedule so as to drop by your place later tonight.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (cu0m1)
Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (q6dIH)
Posted by: The guy who says Also Cocks at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (QBQcg)
Posted by: Laura at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (96l0v)
Go, Huckabee!
Posted by: GOP Establishment at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (5zA/v)
Entropy gets the credit for that one. He started using it back during the primary and I adopted it for most of my Huckabee ranting since then.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 29, 2009 06:09 PM (Mi2wf)
Posted by: les grossman at November 29, 2009 06:09 PM (Vc/xe)
Indeed.
Posted by: Slublog at November 29, 2009 06:10 PM (MWsXW)
152,
the argument seems to be, "well gosh the process was started already so who was I to quibble"....
um Governor Elvis sir, you were the governor it was your judgement call not your predecessors....
the passed buck just killed 4 cops and raped a baby.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:10 PM (dCpk3)
60 years for a burglary charge does sound excessive on face value. And to an earlier poster, why not throw him in a clink for 100 years for jaywalking? It would have "saved lives" too.
How about we throw your whining crybaby RINO parasite ass into jail with him?
We'll let him have the top bunk - you can be his wife...
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 09:59 PM (cu0m1)
Maybe you should check out this site: http://www.xanax.com/
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 06:10 PM (H7Rlw)
Much as I'm glad Huck is a goner, this event wasn't worth it. Four dead cops isn't worth it. If the lowlife had missed and his would-be targets had awarded him his Darwin, we'd be seeing the same result re: Huck. But now Seattle is short four cops which it clearly needs. And it's not worth it.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 06:11 PM (IJMBR)
No more ridiculously overly stretched comparisons between Palin and the Huckster.
Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2009 06:12 PM (sey23)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 06:13 PM (kKP5O)
Can you appreciate the dilemma facing the lamestream media tonight?
Sexually-confused minority businessman, fleeing from the "judgement" of a Right-wing fundamentist Republican Governor, is wounded by four cops!
See, no problemo.
Posted by: sherlock at November 29, 2009 06:13 PM (ktKOD)
171, Y-not
nah AP will engage in some of his patented RiNO-fu and explain that what this really shows is how Sarah Palin would have ruined the nation as vice-President....
the east Anglia 'scientists' aren't the only clowns who double down on stupid.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:14 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: sheperd smiff' cake boy journalist at November 29, 2009 06:16 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 06:16 PM (W98LL)
Sexually-confused minority businessman, fleeing from the "judgement" of a Right-wing fundamentist Republican Governor, is wounded by four cops!
See, no problemo.
Posted by: sherlock at November 29, 2009 10:13 PM (ktKOD)
Oh, well played, sir. You must have a corner office at Black Rock to do that so smoothly.
Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 06:16 PM (Ate22)
175, Beijing Billy didn't do this....and I hate that I have to defend him....
Jim Guy Tucker was a mighty man washed his face in a frying pan....now off to jail Jim Guy Tucker we're stuck with Huck you dirty fucker....
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:18 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: bob at November 29, 2009 06:18 PM (dRuHh)
Posted by: Inspectorudy at November 29, 2009 06:18 PM (Vo1wX)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 06:18 PM (kKP5O)
*Someone kill me now. Please.*
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 06:19 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 29, 2009 06:20 PM (muUqs)
184,
now when it comes to racist crackers killing that census guy in Kain'tuck on the uh other hand um...oh ah er never mind.
Posted by: Barack T. Ogabe esq. at November 29, 2009 06:20 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 06:20 PM (I2aaX)
This is why it pisses me off when the Libs want to give voting rights to felons, especially the ones convicted of non violent crimes (ie drugs). Most were charged with violent crimes, but pleaded them down. Now when they want their rights back, they claim that they weren't convicted of a violent crime.
Posted by: mrcaniac at November 29, 2009 06:21 PM (Vol3D)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 06:22 PM (XQwpJ)
Though given the time frame, we may want to wait to see a conviction, should the suspect be caught alive.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 06:22 PM (zyyJm)
Liberalism is going to get us all killed soon. this "feel good" way of doing things not backed up by logic is a death sentence.
On a positive side. Without huck Palin is clear fav in Iowa and south Carolina. If she does ok in NH Palin comes out of South Carolina with the wind to her back and the nomination pretty much under her belt into super tuesday.
Posted by: unseen at November 29, 2009 06:23 PM (aVGmX)
Much as I'm glad Huck is a goner, this event wasn't worth it. Four dead cops isn't worth it. If the lowlife had missed and his would-be targets had awarded him his Darwin, we'd be seeing the same result re: Huck. But now Seattle is short four cops which it clearly needs. And it's not worth it.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 10:11 PM (IJMBR)
You are confusing the cosmic timeline. No one is pleased that the four police officers died, no matter what other knock-on effects their deaths precipitated. The four police officers were not killed to discredit Mike Huckabee, nor would anyone have made such a vile bargain. But they're gone, and not gloating over the collateral damage to Huckabee's political career won't bring them back.
Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 06:23 PM (Ate22)
187 PP,
Yeah that's where I am....
was never a Romney guy but the games Huckadoodle and Juan Queeg played in West Virginia left ash in my mouth that was not cleared until Juan picked Sarah....then my wallet opened to Juan Rino's traveling Fascist enabler campaign.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:23 PM (dCpk3)
I always got the feeling / impression / vibe that HuckabeeÂ’s primary appeal was religion; that he is and always was a deeply religious man, and that this appealed to very many people, many in the South. Unfortunately, thatÂ’s most of what Huckabee had going for him.
But itÂ’s now clear that Huckabee is a beginner, a novice, someone with poor judgement, someone easily fooled, someone with no fortitude to see someone punished, the Republican Jimmy Carter.
This little episode needs to be thrown in HuckÂ’s face repeatedly, starting in July 2011 or January 2012 at the latest, as an example of poor judgement and overall inability.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 06:23 PM (Ym9lj)
Posted by: The guy who says Also Cocks at November 29, 2009 06:24 PM (QBQcg)
Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 06:25 PM (cEOZd)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 06:26 PM (W98LL)
Sorry 'bout the profanity there, Ace. I hate to pull out the "p" word.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 29, 2009 06:26 PM (5zA/v)
I guess they are back to paying the trolls, but what a stupid name, "The Name"
Really f king creative, that's for sure.
Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 06:26 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: The Diddy at November 29, 2009 06:27 PM (R08C+)
Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 06:29 PM (cEOZd)
Posted by: Cincinnatus at November 29, 2009 06:29 PM (f4sLg)
Posted by: SoCalME at November 29, 2009 06:30 PM (lxEx/)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 29, 2009 06:31 PM (UqJ8A)
207,
er uh um uh why go for the ah pardon when your and Eric Holder can get the guy exonerated in a civillian court trial?
Barack T. Ogabe-esq.
Posted by: Barack T. Ogabe esq. at November 29, 2009 06:34 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 06:35 PM (58r4l)
I think it was clear back in the day when the Cato Institute was giving him D ratings in their governor's report card.
Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2009 06:36 PM (sey23)
I always got the feeling / impression / vibe that HuckabeeÂ’s primary appeal was religion; that he is and always was a deeply religious man, and that this appealed to very many people, many in the South. Unfortunately, thatÂ’s most of what Huckabee had going for him.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 10:23 PM (Ym9lj)
Yep, and true religious faith was no doubt what inspired him to disregard the laws of man and substitute his personal judgment in granting this individual clemency. In my opinion, that was entirely the wrong basis for making such a decision, and of course he came to entirely the wrong decision.
Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 06:36 PM (Ate22)
210,
Mitt made an error in judgement trying to get the best deal he could from Moonbattachusettes donk legislature....
Huckadoodle screwed a chicken he had total power over.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:37 PM (dCpk3)
Posted by: GarandFan at November 29, 2009 06:37 PM (ZQBnQ)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 06:39 PM (I2aaX)
I liked Fred early on. Later, when my choices were narrowed to Romney, McCain, and Huckabee by Fred's complete lack of enthusiasm, I backed Romney. All three were lousy, but I wouldn't dream of voting for McCain or Huckabee. Romney appealed to me because he was a successful businessman. I could excuse his faults on the grounds that he was serving as governor of a very left-wing state. I couldn't excuse the faults of McAmnesty or Fuckabee so easily. When McCain got the nomination, I ended up throwing my vote to a third party in the last election.
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 06:40 PM (BBlLR)
That's great, Huck. But that forgiveness is not yours to grant. It belongs to those harmed by the criminal ... and to God. And you are neither.
“I would not deny that my sense of the reality of redemption is a factor
One need not leave prison to be redeemed.
Jackass.
Your moral preening just cost four families a loved one. Sleep well.
Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2009 06:40 PM (lEqfY)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 06:41 PM (58r4l)
This isn't good news, as the MSM will no doubt dredge up a thousand stories about the Willie Horton-Michael Dukakis controversy from 1988. This just gives them another excuse to perpetuate the "Republicans are racist" meme.
You watch.
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 06:42 PM (ADbI4)
219,
Look fella it is what it is.....
MItt knew if he was not going to be John the Baptist for Deval Patrick he would have to tack left...he is a bit of a squish but far preferable to Chicago Jesus or even Juan Queeg IMHO....
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:44 PM (dCpk3)
I almost did that. But I live in a swing state, and I remembered the importance of every vote in Florida in 2000. So I held my nose and voted for McCain-Palin.
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 06:44 PM (ADbI4)
I guess they are back to paying the trolls, but what a stupid name, "The Name"
Really f king creative, that's for sure.
Hey!
Posted by: Has anyone seen Nom de Blog recently? at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (zyyJm)
220 RJ,
that will be a neat bout of mental gymnastics for the newsies since Huckadoodle released a black man to go forth and sin some more...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (dCpk3)
But as I said, if Romney doesn't explain, and delineate these things, he, too, will be toast...
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (I2aaX)
Heckuva job, Huckabee!
Your malfeasance cost four cops their lives.
Do us (and their families) a favor and eat your gun.
Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (86F8f)
Posted by: Ronald Reagan at November 29, 2009 10:29 PM (b+I5u)
What the fuck are you waiting for? Get the fuck down here NOW!
Posted by: CDR M at November 29, 2009 06:46 PM (cvmTR)
Sorry, but I don't understand this reference...
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 06:46 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 06:46 PM (cEOZd)
Posted by: Warden
And nine children between the 4 slain officers. 2 were shot point blank in the head from 4 feet. 1 just above the vest. The other struggled with the perp and died soon after.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 06:46 PM (g7J39)
Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2009 10:40 PM (lEqfY)
Precisely!
Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 06:47 PM (Ate22)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 29, 2009 06:48 PM (QA21d)
228,
Deval "I am at half Ogabe's popularity" Patrick the governor of Taxachustettes now....
look Romney getting elected there was a damn near miracle, that he talked the legislature into a 1/2 to 3/4 free market based plan another....
it not working well is beyond the scope of understanding that he understood the dorks were gonna pass "something"...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2009 06:49 PM (dCpk3)
Watch the news tomorrow. They will find a way to bring up Willie Horton and imply that most Republicans are racist. Just wait.
Hell, it's almost guaranteed that there will be a post on AoSHQ tomorrow pointing out the lunacy of some scumbag on MSNBC or on some left-wing blog turning this into a rehash of the "Republicans are racist filth" meme from the 1988 campaign.
Again, just wait. It is going to happen.
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 06:49 PM (ADbI4)
Deputies also interviewed other family members. They reported that Clemmons had been saying he could fly and that he expected President Obama to visit to "confirm that he is Messiah in the flesh."
220 One has to remember, Huckleberry was, according to some polls, the front-runner for the GOP nomination in 2012, and he matched up pretty well against 0bama.
Posted by: I'm just sayin' at November 29, 2009 06:50 PM (zyyJm)
That's understandable. I live in deep blue Washington so my vote was a matter of principle rather than pragmatism.
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 06:51 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 06:53 PM (58r4l)
Posted by: Night Marshal at November 29, 2009 06:53 PM (9GlV2)
211 Y-not at November 29, 2009 10:36 PM
Yes. Unfortunately the Cato Institute gives an abstract report, which many thought nice and then ignored. Now we have 4 dead police officers (why?) and 4 broken families. I don't have words for this. What will Huckabee say?
"Â…and of course he came to entirely the wrong decision."
212 stuiec at November 29, 2009 10:36 PM
I'd very much like to avoid having HuckabeeÂ’s future decisions affect me directly and personally. I've seen people like him, and they always manage to hurt everyone within their grasp.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 06:53 PM (Ym9lj)
Self-righteousness kills.
Posted by: schizuki at November 29, 2009 06:53 PM (A1XjQ)
Posted by: Bible-thumping social con at November 29, 2009 06:54 PM (Gyl12)
Much as I'm glad Huck is a goner, this event wasn't worth it. Four dead cops isn't worth it. If the lowlife had missed and his would-be targets had awarded him his Darwin, we'd be seeing the same result re: Huck. But now Seattle is short four cops which it clearly needs. And it's not worth it.
That's the only reason I can't gloat over Muthafuckabee's fall from grace - because it took the lives of three good men and a good woman to accomplish it.
Burn in hell, Muthafuckabee.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 06:56 PM (cu0m1)
Sanford - Appalachia tunnel...to Argentina
Newt - Scozzafava'ed
Cheney - Bush baggage
Mitt - Romneycare, coward
Huckster - Horton'ed out
Jeb Bush - Bush name
Petraeus - Apparently no interest
Jindal - too young, nerdy, and said he's out
Barbour - old, white, gray-haired Southerner
Crist - oh, please
Huntsman - Obamabot
Gary Johnson - Who?
Pawlenty - He of half a testicle and moderation
Who is left?
Thune - Who? VP? maybe if he behaves
Santorum - ? Be good and you get Veep spot
Who is left?
The Commonsense Conservative who walks the talk, and is fearless.
Palin/? 2012
She'll get 55% of the vote, pull the 2004 states of Bush and pick up Wisconsin.
The only question is her Veep. If she is smart, which I think she is, she'll pick the Veep early and it will be someone who gel's well with the team and possibly unites the party and gets focused on vision early and with power.
Posted by: Sapwolf at November 29, 2009 06:56 PM (maJDK)
Posted by: schizuki at November 29, 2009 06:56 PM (A1XjQ)
Thanks, Chucklebee.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at November 29, 2009 06:57 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 29, 2009 06:57 PM (QQM/B)
Posted by: Ghost of Christmas Past at November 29, 2009 06:58 PM (H1Qt1)
@226 That's just unnecessary.
I don't have any problem with what 226 said.
In fact, Muthafuckabee can't get fired by Roger Ailes and then go down a gallon of Vodka and a bottle of Valium fast enough for my liking.
Posted by: The Name at November 29, 2009 07:00 PM (cu0m1)
I believe Huckabee, despite his very sincere faith, was influenced by liberal, secular ideas of mercy. Romans 13:4 has a very different take on mercy to the condemned: For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Posted by: Bible-thumping social con at November 29, 2009 10:54 PM (Gyl12)
Thats the whole problem with the Shucksterbee. The guy would be leading with his bible instead of the written rule of law and the Constitution and we don't fuckin' need that shit.
Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 07:00 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 29, 2009 07:00 PM (ZiQz8)
Posted by: chicocano at November 29, 2009 07:01 PM (2n5cq)
Huckabee is letting killers out. Romney passed huge healthcare entitlements and therefore cant battle Obama on healthcare today when we need it.
Palin is kicking ass every day on healthcare and military matters, taking on the messiah without fear.
Gee, I wonder who should be my choice?
Posted by: Dan at November 29, 2009 07:01 PM (KZraB)
Yeah, but I don't get the John The Baptist reference. How was Mitt playing that role? What does that imply?
Sorry, I'm agnostic. :-/
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:05 PM (ADbI4)
Thune-Jindal in 2012.
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:08 PM (ADbI4)
@245: Palin, like W. in 2000, needs gravitas. She really is a political and executive freshman, albeit with a respectable record of accomplishment that she's not given credit for on the left. So she'll need a Cheney if she's going to angle for the top spot, and I'm not sure who we've got on our side except the Cheney. Too many of the others would be more like her Joe Biden, venerable but clownish.
Except for the fact he's ruled it out, I'd prefer Cheney for the top spot to most of the likely GOP field. Three more years of the One and an experienced executive is going to start looking mighty attractive, especially if he can throw some red meat to fiscal conservatives and moderates who want to salve their pride for being sold on Obama as a centrist.
Posted by: Still Thinks Palin is Hot at November 29, 2009 07:08 PM (Gyl12)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 29, 2009 07:08 PM (ZiQz8)
The thing with Palin is that the more the MSM tries to destroy her the stronger she gets. ... so I like to see even the negative press on her. She always seems to weather the storm and is stronger for it. Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and she'll be plenty strong in 2012
Posted by: Pull-my-finger at November 29, 2009 07:09 PM (lxEx/)
I don't have any problem with what 226 said.
In fact, Muthafuckabee can't get fired by Roger Ailes and then go down a gallon of Vodka and a bottle of Valium fast enough for my liking.
The Name, I don't doubt that. You are a troll and an ugly one at that.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 07:10 PM (zyyJm)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:10 PM (ADbI4)
I would counter Palin-Romney, but I still don't see what he brings to the ticket.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 07:12 PM (zyyJm)
He's a Christian who understands redemption but doesn't understand sin or our fallen state. He wants to give even the worst people the benefit of the doubt, give them a chance, and think the best of them. Because that's what Jesus would do.
But he's not Jesus. And neither is Jimmy Carter.
And even if, as individuals, we're commanded to forgive... we're not talking about individuals holding anger and resentment and having that eat away inside them... and the command to forgive is for *our* benefit, we're talking about government.
And government... or at least the courts... are supposed to take up justice so that the people don't have to take up vengeance.
Posted by: Synova at November 29, 2009 07:12 PM (NTu5Z)
Posted by: Cicero at November 29, 2009 07:13 PM (+AEJn)
Posted by: Ghost of Christmas Past at November 29, 2009 07:14 PM (H1Qt1)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:15 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Ghost of Christmas Past at November 29, 2009 07:17 PM (H1Qt1)
Er, about that...
Posted by: The Pharisees at November 29, 2009 07:17 PM (zyyJm)
Posted by: billy at November 29, 2009 07:18 PM (mxvuR)
20 Mitt Romney just raised one of his eyebrows in a Spock sort of way. And made long term hotel reservations in Iowa for the next two years.
And, somewhere tonight a smoking hot brunette with a world class a$$ is "googling" RomneyCare.
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 07:19 PM (jqZr+)
The Rombots gloating over Huckabee going up in flames is funny. Your own guy was toast months ago due to his big government Romneycare.
It's time to unite behind the Cuda (at least until it is confirmed with DNA that Trig is Bigfoot's child - Double Ace Flaming Skull). 
Posted by: Sapwolf at November 29, 2009 07:19 PM (maJDK)
Posted by: Xrlq at November 29, 2009 07:21 PM (IOf/Z)
Also, you might want to reality-check your fantasies of Palin being this uber-Conservative. If you put the healthcare thing aside, I challenge you to explain how Romney is less conservative than Palin; or how Palin is more conservative that Romney.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 07:22 PM (I2aaX)
"Let me make this very clear: I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose."
- Mitt Romney
Posted by: bd at November 29, 2009 07:26 PM (zzd8k)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 29, 2009 07:26 PM (9zzk+)
Mitt is hobbled by the Massachusetts health care debale.
Huck is hobbled even more by this horrible crime.
So who is still viable for 2012?
Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2009 07:29 PM (Vvbjc)
ParisParamus, "the healthcare thing" is a pretty damn big thing to put aside. That's a nice trick though, asking us to put aside the biggest, most relevant issue.
Especially if health care passes in any form, we're going to need a candidate who can make the case for repealing it to the American public. And Romney's already put his balls in a vise on that issue. If it goes down in flames he might be a possibility. I do like his credibility on fiscal issues, which we may need. I'm a little baffled that anyone considers him very conservative to begin with though.
Posted by: Shouldn't have tested the "balls in a vice" simile in real life :( at November 29, 2009 07:30 PM (Gyl12)
Posted by: jason at November 29, 2009 07:31 PM (3cIbR)
279
Palin has always been pro-life
Mitt, hard to tell.
Palin has been out front on free market health care reform
Mitt has limited his abbilities there by his Massachusetts health care reform
Palin is pro-gun
Mitt?
I like Mitt, but I think it is obvious that Palin is quite a bit more conservative and consistently so over a longer period of time. I wouldn't mind Mitt being somewhere in a conservative adminstration though.
Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2009 07:34 PM (Vvbjc)
As I've said many times here (and I have no vested interest in supporting Romney: I don't know him; I'm not a member of his Church; and I admit he's flawed, just less flawed than that likely alternatives; he just strikes me as the best shot we have to slay the Obama Dragon),
Palin cannot win in 2012; her best, and I suspect, only shot at the Presidency is to be picked as a VP, and audition and reassure a large segment of the electorate in that capacity.
Romney-Palin could win; would freak out the right people; and would put Palin in position to run for President.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 07:36 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:37 PM (ADbI4)
You're doing no one a service (other than Obama) by suggesting otherwise. You're also fantasizing if you think that abortion is going to become "less legal" in our lifetimes. Moral stigma is the way to go for the foreseeable future--deal with it.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 07:41 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: The guy who says Also Cocks at November 29, 2009 07:41 PM (QBQcg)
I voted for McCain in 2008, and IÂfd vote for Palin in 2012. If she is the candidate in 2012, IÂfll vote for her.
That being said, I have my doubts about her being able to win. I say this because in the runup to 2008, a number of non-political women that I talked to showed weirdly negative reactions to Palin. They couldnÂft elaborate, it was just, just, just, Âc LetÂfs see, sheÂfs achieved all of the Frminazi dream and very much more, is still young, and did all this as a Conservative, i.e., no Socialist / Leftist values. I donÂft understand the reactions I saw, but they were not fake.
I think that Sarah Palin is at her maximum popularity being just who she is, which I believe is exactly the image she presents. The problem is to make that image more acceptable to non-political people. I donÂft have good suggestions on how to do this.
Maybe books and hook tours, coupled with some political activism will be enough. Keep watching the polls.
Â@
I still like Fred Thompson, but his career over the past 20 or so years doesnÂft give him lots of political credibility. He has the appearance and persona, but acting isnÂft a good stepping-stone to the presidency (although itÂfs better than community organizer). Perhaps if he had planned things in 98 and got re-elected to the Senate and was ending his term now Âc
As posted previously, maybe Tancredo.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 07:42 PM (Ym9lj)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 29, 2009 07:44 PM (QQM/B)
Palin's a fighter to Romney's penchant for compromise. She is fighting now. Where is Romney attacking health care? Obama's dithering on Afghanistan? Or Iran? Where was Romney during the NY-23 race? Where is Romney at all on any issue? If the Democrats find a way to cram through Obamacare are we to just accept it and move on, for the three or four years before the federal government collapses? No, we're going to have to push hard to have it repealed. I can see Palin doing that. I can't see Romney undoing big government health care when he can't even acknowledge it was a mistake for the state he was responsible for.
Look, I'm sorry that we have to disagree. We're going to have to sort it out before the end of the primary two and a half years from now. I just don't understand the appeal he has for you.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 07:45 PM (zyyJm)
Posted by: Flyover Sam
-----------------------
You're better off with us hard-headed solib fucktard libertarians.
Posted by: arhooley at November 29, 2009 07:45 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:48 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 29, 2009 07:48 PM (H1Qt1)
Posted by: unknown jane at November 29, 2009 07:49 PM (5/yRG)
Rumor has it that Texas Gov Rick Perry might take a shot in 2012.
He's already got Palin backing him up.
Posted by: mpur at November 29, 2009 07:50 PM (K5EyT)
And anyone listening to the MSM meme can only lose.
And anyone who spends all of their time deciding who can't win and who *other* people won't vote for... is going to be responsible for McCain Mark Two... whoever that ends up being.
We heard it then...
No one will vote for Giuliani because of abortion and gun control, even if he pledges not to touch either of them, even if he's sharp on conservative economics, crime and the War on Terror.
No one will vote for Romney because of his religion.
No one will vote for Fred because he's not hyper enough.
And we hear it now...
No one will vote for Palin because the media and the Democrats were mean to her.
Get over it! Any one of them would have been better than McCain and any one of them would most likely have had a better chance to defeat Obama after the economic crash before the election. Anyone tempted to second guess who *other* people will find electable should go to the back of the room right now!
Posted by: Synova at November 29, 2009 07:50 PM (NTu5Z)
By the way, Pawlenty pulled off a procedural feat by defeating uber liberal MN's legislatures budget; Romney did even better in MA. Maybe no conservative should bend a bit and attempt to seek office in a liberal state, but if that's not true, both of these individuals deserve our respect.
(OK, Pawlenty less because he seems to have been on the AGW bandwagon more)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 07:51 PM (I2aaX)
For everyone saying that Palin is not viable, that she's unelectable, blah blah blah...
Did you think Huckabee was going to be blasted from the 2012 race today? Like a fucking bolt out of the blue?
No, no you didn't. So put away your crystal ball and conventional wisdom.
Anything can happen.
Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2009 07:52 PM (rmNST)
Letting them *win* that just means that they'll know what works and turn it on the next person whoever that is.
There will NEVER be anyone, ever again, who will escape that destruction, no matter how insipid, how bland and unobjectionable.
Posted by: Synova at November 29, 2009 07:54 PM (NTu5Z)
290 - Don't believe everything CBS and CNN spoon feeds you. I voted for Romney in the Michigan primary (even though I knew he was a fake) for one simple reason: he wasn't John McCain.
By the way, in the Michigan primary Mitt was for government bailouts for the Detroit Three. Now he isn't. Bakilouts, abortion, gay marriage and a multitude of other issues: Romney will say whatever he thinks will get him elected.
Mitt spent millions of his own money, only to lose to someone as weak as John McCain.
Palin would never run as a VP candidate again after her experience with the McCain team.
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 07:54 PM (jqZr+)
Get over it! Any one of them would have been better than McCain and any one of them would most likely have had a better chance to defeat Obama after the economic crash before the election.
Doubtful if they had McCain's campaign staff.
Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2009 07:56 PM (Vvbjc)
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 07:56 PM (jqZr+)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 07:57 PM (ADbI4)
Palin would never run as a VP candidate again after her experience with the McCain team.
No kidding! Having read her book, I think she has pretty good political instincts and is not afraid to throw punches.
Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2009 07:57 PM (Vvbjc)
Terrible Tom would be my dream candidate. He was the very first candidate I supported during the last presidential nomination, but it quickly became clear that he didn't have a snowball's chance. Maybe times have changed. I would love to see Tancredo-Jindal or even Tancredo-Palin or some combination involving Jindal, Tancredo, Palin or maybe DeMint.
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 07:58 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 08:00 PM (jqZr+)
It's that he has succeeded hugely in business, and well as the government/public sector (Governor; the Olympics) he is an outsider due to his religion; he has worked his ass off, despite being born into an affluent family; and it's obvious he loves his wife, and family. I'm also impressed he spent time in Europe, in France for his church. He just seems like an undeniably decent, smart guy; a mensch.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 08:01 PM (I2aaX)
You make a good point. I hate to let the bastards win.
But still. I don't want to lose a winnable election in 2012 because we chose an unpopular, unelectable candidate. Look at Palin's poll numbers. The aren't too hot.
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:02 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 08:02 PM (I2aaX)
I don't get this at all. Who she is doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if she's not actually planning on running in the next election. If that's the case she's just another celebrity. We have Rush and Hannity and Malkin to make noise and never run for anything.
Further, where is this "maximum popularity" thing come from? Are you completely unaware that her polls are improving? Hot Air had a poll just the other day that showed both her and Romney very competitive (with him winning, I think) with Obumbles.
Look I think either of them could win in two and a half years. I think any Republican has to be favored, based on the performance of Obama and his party to date and his instinct to push harder left as he meets resistance. I would take either Cheney over them given the option. She's generally shown the right instincts. I don't know with any certainty where Romney's coming from. I just think we are rapidly running out of time and we can't afford to get this wrong.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 08:03 PM (zyyJm)
The exact opposite of impressive.
Or conservative.
Posted by: Basic, b v at November 29, 2009 08:04 PM (SL3qo)
I think a lot of the appeal is his business acumen, which I don't understand. He's a businessman. So fucking what? So is George Soros. And Jeffrey Immelt. And the CEO of Duke Energy. And Warren Buffet. They're all a bunch of ObaMao-loving commie scum holding their filthy fucking hands out for porkulus and/ or TARP and/ or crap-and-tax monies. I'm not putting Romney in the same class of as those guys, but the fact he's a businessman doesn't mean shit. There's a huge difference between being pro-business and pro-free-market.
Also, if Romney doesn't want to be blamed for the totally-failed government healthcare debacle in Mass, he needs to stop taking credit for it and praising it. You can't take credit for something and call it a good system and then turn around and blame it's failure on others. He went so far as to commission a painting of himself with the bill on his desk, calling it "his greatest accomplishment as Governor" or something to that effect. If he ever wants to be taken seriously as a conservative, the first thing he needs to do is disavow and condemn that miserable pile of shit healthcare bill. Loudly, strongly, and in in no uncertain terms. And get the bill airbrushed out of the painting.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 29, 2009 08:04 PM (Z0bVg)
Remember: 0bama is our President basically because he can read well from a teleprompter. I mean, what were his other qualifications?
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:04 PM (ADbI4)
Indeed. That's why Romney is a dead letter for me. On his own freaking campaign web site in '08 he even mentioned the fines in MA for not signing up for RomneyCare and how he supported them. Fuck that shit.
I can't vote for the guy. I'd sit it out. He's just another big government, nanny state anti-freedom statist, which isn't much different than Obama. A few clicks on the Suck-O-Meter one way or the other isn't going to mean much these days.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 29, 2009 08:07 PM (Y1Anr)
I doubt that Sarah Palin would trust Mitt. Why should she? In fact, based on his flip-flops, why should him. Paris, do yourself a favor: go to youtube and key in romney + abortion + debate. You'll hear the most passionate defense of a "woman's right to choose" you've ever heard in your life. This was in 2002. not 25 years ago.
Mitt isn't just a RINO, he's also a fraud. Conservatives won't back a RINO.
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 08:08 PM (jqZr+)
...I present to you all the dream team of competence: Obama/Biden.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 29, 2009 08:09 PM (Y1Anr)
Paris -
Have you heard Mitt talk about the hardships of being a Mormon missionary (in France) while his peers were getting theis asses shot off in Nam?
This man is a FRAUD.
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 08:11 PM (jqZr+)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:13 PM (ADbI4)
Ha! Interesting name. What inspired that?
Unfortunately, the link doesn't work.
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 08:14 PM (BBlLR)
That would be a ticket from heaven.
Ticket from hell: Gore-Huckabee or ManBearFuckabee
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 08:16 PM (BBlLR)
Statement Regarding Washington State Slayings by Press Team
The senseless and savage execution of police officers in Washington State has saddened the nation, and early reports indicate that a person of interest is a repeat offender who once lived in Arkansas and was wanted on outstanding warrants here and in Washington State. The murder of any individual is a profound tragedy, but the murder of a police officer is the worst of all murders in that it is an assault on every citizen and the laws we live within.
Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State.This commutation made him parole eligible and he was then paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him. It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state. This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are and should be with the families of those honorable, brave, and heroic police officers.
http://tinyurl.com/ybufbbd
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:17 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Countrysquire at November 29, 2009 08:18 PM (FpH7L)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:20 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 08:21 PM (zyyJm)
Posted by: stace at November 29, 2009 08:21 PM (g/wgk)
I digress, but frankly, the sincerity issue is more important to me than the abortion issue. I still don't understand what the consensus position is right-of-center on abortion. I don't think all abortions are immoral; just, statistically, most; and I'm not comfortable giving the government the power to decide which ones are and aren't.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 08:22 PM (I2aaX)
RJ-Mike Z in 2012!
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 08:22 PM (BBlLR)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 29, 2009 08:23 PM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 08:24 PM (BBlLR)
The parole board never would have even taken it under consideration had Huckabee not requested they do so. Huckabee is a miserable lying piece of shit.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 29, 2009 08:25 PM (Z0bVg)
Paris -
Watch the debate on the youtube tape (moderated by Tim Russet) and tell me if you honestly don't think he is a fake. It will take all of six minutes.
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 08:27 PM (jqZr+)
good effort though. He will indeed be protected somewhat if some think Bill Clinton is also implicated.
Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 29, 2009 08:28 PM (t1sje)
310 Huckleberry always struck me as an Elmer Gantry Fudd type.
Nothing separates Huck from being a stump-toothed yokel than a couple of tooth extractions.
Also, he's a bass player and (with a few exceptions) they are all Beta males.
Posted by: They don't call it "lead" guitar fer nuthin at November 29, 2009 08:30 PM (brof0)
Posted by: Jumpin Johnny Holdren at November 29, 2009 08:30 PM (DtTM9)
What crap. The "worst of all murders" always seems to be whatever we're supposed to have sympathy for at any given time. The terrorist attack at Fort Hood was worse because it included betrayal. As a matter of inhumanity I consider abortion far worse.
All told this is a statement that refuses to accept responsibility. PR=FAIL
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 08:30 PM (zyyJm)
ParisParamus: I still don't understand what the consensus position is right-of-center on abortion.
Moby! Had me going for a little bit there, earlier in the thread. Still, that was worth it for the laugh if nothing else.
Posted by: Dave R. at November 29, 2009 08:31 PM (Gyl12)
I hope he runs, and you should too. Me going to sleep.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 08:32 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 29, 2009 08:34 PM (t1sje)
317 Methos at 12:03
"I don't get this at all."
As I said, a number (5) of non-political women that I know (30's) all gave me this weird reaction about Palin. 5 is essentially a useless number, but it seems to point to a general feeling (in November 200
that still lingers. Palin's numbers are changing, and that's good, but she's having to do it all herself; or more specifically, I canÂ’t think of any women (politicians, business women, celebrities) really going to bat for her.
"Who she is doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if she's not actually planning on running in the next election. If that's the case she's just another celebrity."
That's; true, assuming she doesn't run. But if she does run, then (I think) she needs to run to win. A complete personality / political makeover really isn't possible between now and January 2012, and if her advisors recommend one, I think it would be disastrous. In fact, anything more than small changes, essentially on minor subjects would be problematical.
You're right, PalinÂ’s numbers are improving, but why: ObamaÂ’s failures / inability or her increasing popularity? With enough ACORN / SEIU / MSM covering and Pelosi / Reid-martyrdom, I'd rather not rely on ObamaÂ’s failures.
This is what I mean by maximum popularity; her values and beliefs, as they are now, are very popular with a significant segment of voters. To some degree, people just need to get a look at Sara Palin over and decide: "Yes, her values are my values".
My fear is that, in 30 months, Obama will ask for "4 more years" and claim that he can succeed by the end, and that either 50+% will believe him again, or that 32% will believe, 10% will be intimidated / corrected by ACORN/ SEIU and 7% will just not like Palin enough Â…
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 08:35 PM (Ym9lj)
Posted by: RJ at November 29, 2009 08:37 PM (ADbI4)
If government won't defend its citizens from those that would harm them, what is it worth? If it won't defend babies from abortionists. they will not be defended. The shame here is that too many people figure that they've been born, so this savagery is not a threat to them. But if you ask them about any other serial killer, oh sure, then they want government to intercede and decide which killings are permissable and which are not.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 08:39 PM (zyyJm)
Posted by: MPFS Pissed Off Fish Stick at November 29, 2009 08:41 PM (PBGAP)
Posted by: honest silver lined cloud at November 29, 2009 08:42 PM (DtTM9)
#360
And there seems to be no way to hold Huckabee legally responsible and accountable for the results of his actions.
I wonder if Huckabee, as a devout Christian minister, will give 1/8 of his gross income, for the rest of his life, to each of the families of the murdered officers.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2009 08:44 PM (Ym9lj)
My sympathies to the families of the officers who died in this horrible crime.
I don't think the Huckabee ever had any intention of running again. He knew that he was just too much of a rino to ever be accepted without running the risk of splitting the gop and having a third, conservative candidate in the race. Romney is a different story I think. There is more of a chance of him running again for the nomination. A small risk but nonetheless a risk.
Posted by: scr_north at November 29, 2009 08:48 PM (GE/dx)
AllahPundit cannot be happy. One by one his Palin-slayers are committing suicide:
- Newt: NY23
- Romney: RomneyCare
- Huck: Willie Horton II
Posted by: bw222 at November 29, 2009 08:48 PM (jqZr+)
Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2009 08:49 PM (YF1RY)
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 08:51 PM (H7Rlw)
A Seattle PI (online) reporter calls Huck at home and the person answers says Huck is taping his teevee show and is too busy to come to the phone...
Did I hear that right?
Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 08:56 PM (g7J39)
Posted by: MAJHAM@GTMO at November 29, 2009 09:02 PM (qXVP6)
God works in mysterious ways.
Hopefully this is the final nail in HuckleberryÂ’s coffin.
I just canÂ’t stand that moron.
Regarding the police officers. The Huckster definitely has a role in their deaths and he should be held accountable in the public court.
Posted by: Leatherneck at November 29, 2009 09:08 PM (40yOy)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 29, 2009 09:09 PM (WFNEV)
He or Crist would be the MSM's preferred candidates for the GOP--just like McCain.
Posted by: jimmuy at November 29, 2009 09:09 PM (g2L90)
Posted by: PJ at November 29, 2009 09:09 PM (Qpxxz)
Posted by: sybilll at November 29, 2009 09:10 PM (l5xl/)
Posted by: NWviewer at November 29, 2009 09:27 PM (nU6V1)
Posted by: Angus Dei at November 29, 2009 09:27 PM (WAI6U)
Yes, we love you, too.
Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 09:29 PM (zyyJm)
Man, I didn't think I could lose more respect for the guy, but just goes to show you. The parole board didn't decide, Huck did, now mind you the Gregoire (sic) administration did no favors either, why exactly would you release a child rapist.
Now it's three years out, and I'm not really that concerned about the Presidential race. But as she long as she helped steer the debate on 'death panels' and cap n trade, ( they wanted to have that served us by October)speak up in defense of our military, well you have to give her props for that, then again I admit to being biased
Also being of Latin background, I have a healthy respect for injunctions against ill will, not an exorcism, as was wrongly suggested last year, with what Rev. Muthee did
Posted by: takeshi kovacs at November 29, 2009 09:29 PM (1kwr2)
Posted by: NWviewer at November 29, 2009 09:31 PM (nU6V1)
Posted by: Case at November 29, 2009 09:33 PM (0K+Kw)
Like anyone could even know that.
Posted by: Kip Dynamite at November 29, 2009 09:39 PM (DtTM9)
Posted by: hous bin pharteen at November 29, 2009 09:40 PM (pU4D7)
Posted by: Intrepid at November 29, 2009 09:59 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: Sid Haig at November 29, 2009 10:07 PM (1+E1V)
That previous link I posted also offers a police scanner feed:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78113402.html
Posted by: NWviewer at November 29, 2009 10:10 PM (nU6V1)
Rev. Huckabee's lame excuse ignores the fact that he went against families and proscecutors in Arkansas to pardon this violent burden on society. He also ignored the law that said he must state his reasons.
I hope that all of the families can and will sue him personally.
Posted by: Rewrite! at November 29, 2009 10:14 PM (gSxol)
Oh well, the Rev. Governor must have got quite a rush from playing Pharisee to Clemmons' Barrabas.
Grr.
Posted by: Rewrite! at November 29, 2009 10:18 PM (gSxol)
Posted by: notropis at November 29, 2009 10:48 PM (J8xii)
Not true
Hucka-fuck's exploits in Arkansas were widely disseminated, including his unparalleled use of pardon power.
If it turns out that this "suspect" is the killer then it will not be the first of the Huck's pardoned people to go back to committing capital crimes.
I have always considered him to be a religious liberal. This is just one more piece on top of the shit pie we call Huckabee,
Oh so how did he stay in the race so long? Again, it was the damn Republican primary rules and one issue "conservatives" who listened to their preachers and chose to ignore or disbelieve all the reports coming from people in Arkansas.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 12:34 AM (CDUiN)
Posted by: Bernardine Dohrn, who babysat POTUS' brats at November 30, 2009 12:50 AM (vn+LB)
Pigs fly from "headquarters".
Posted by: Ol Grandpa who remembers old stuff at November 30, 2009 02:42 AM (+CLh/)
Exactly. That was the point of Huckabee's statement. While he didn't take responsibility, he did point out that he isn't the only one who could have done things differently. Larry Jegley (prosecuting attorney) tends to grandstand a little when he can take a shot at a political opponent. He isn't very quick to point out that they had they guy and let him go.
Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2009 03:22 AM (Gkhxf)
Be that as it may, but from what I can find he had been sentenced to 95 years in Arkansas and the Huck commuted his sentence. If he had not done that those 4 cops would still be alive today.
That is the bottom line, he had already been found guilty of major crimes, he had been sentenced and was in jail. All the tough barriers to getting a sick POS off the street had already been met.
Based on his "religious principles" he let this shit-stick back out on the streets. And this is not the only one. From what I read back during the election he let out hundreds of hard core criminals during his term as Governor. So much so that the legislature considered revoking his pardon power.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 03:45 AM (CDUiN)
I am not a Huckabee supporter. That move by the 90% Democrat legislature was designed to pander to the electorate and take a shot at Huckabee. The closest they came was to make it mandatory to announce the reason for a pardon.
Huckabee used the power of the pardon way, way, way too many times. It's funny though. No one really seemed to care until one of the parolees re-offended. Then, everybody was up-in-arms.
Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2009 04:30 AM (Gkhxf)
Posted by: dvdivx at November 30, 2009 04:32 AM (DI++Q)
On the other hand Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons after serving 11 years of a 60 year sentence for burglary and theft of property. Unless there were extenuating circumstances that seems an awfully harsh sentence.
Extenuating circumstance: Everybody involved except Huckleberry knew he was a murderous sociopathic swine?
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at November 30, 2009 04:35 AM (FF38Z)
Posted by: Sgt. Rock at November 30, 2009 04:38 AM (2jp4I)
Posted by: jjshaka at November 30, 2009 04:40 AM (UfWfG)
Posted by: MelodicMetal at November 30, 2009 04:41 AM (x4S2a)
I don't know who to recommend running for the GOP ticket in '12, but might I suggest Sheriff Joe and Palin at least get some type of posting within the cabinet? Anybody who would listen to folks like Sheriff Joe and Palin would have my vote.
Maybe Lt. Col. Allen West too -- he seems fairly pragmatic and sensible.
Posted by: unknown jane at November 30, 2009 04:49 AM (5/yRG)
There is only one issue that he supports "conservatives" on and that is abortion. And on that issue I am not so sure that that is a conservative issue as much as it is a religious issue.
Currently out of the major people the media has been reporting on as "contenders" for the Republican Party in 2012, Palin is the ONLY one I would support.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 04:59 AM (CDUiN)
Posted by: thebronze at November 30, 2009 05:01 AM (86F8f)
Posted by: bowel movement at November 30, 2009 05:01 AM (Fd5yK)
Posted by: yinzer at November 30, 2009 05:01 AM (B+WjJ)
That has GOT to be the dumbest of all reasons to support someone for office.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 30, 2009 05:16 AM (ZJ/un)
Ya know Huck, forgivness via the Lord should come only from the Lord, you on the otherhand are responsible to a great degree for your lack of common sense, you know, one of the traits that Republicans need to possess to seperate them from Democrats.
Please don't taint the Republican presidential ticket in the future....Thanks.
Posted by: Drider at November 30, 2009 05:33 AM (HaJD9)
Agreed. It is reasoning like this that gives us shit like McCain to vote for.
Posted by: doonuts at November 30, 2009 05:35 AM (RzUmN)
With stuff like this on his record, we'd be fools to fall for the Huckaphoney line.
Posted by: Mad Monica at November 30, 2009 05:35 AM (tQRZb)
And you people had the audacity to call me a troll.
All you RINO parasites at AosHQ can take Muthafuckabee's statement and shove it up the far end of your digestive tracts.
Posted by: The Name at November 30, 2009 05:35 AM (cu0m1)
60 years for robbery? At 17?
No wonder he received clemency.
Don't you fuckers read the facts before jumping to conclusions?
Posted by: stupid fucking knuckleh at November 30, 2009 06:32 AM (u6zet)
Posted by: John Galt at November 30, 2009 06:46 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 30, 2009 06:47 AM (PNTym)
Posted by: Mike Has-a-Been at November 30, 2009 06:47 AM (PNTym)
Everyone down the line from that stupid prick's pardon would look at his record and see that the governor of his state where he committed his crimes thought he was reformed and repented.
100% of the lenient treatment after he was released can be traced to reliance upon Mr. Religious Conservative letting him go.
If you thought that con man couldn't get any more slimy, you were wrong.
Posted by: jimmuy at November 30, 2009 07:10 AM (EzcbY)
Posted by: The Drizzle at November 30, 2009 07:40 AM (PEr+c)
stricken with grief for the families of the officers killed,
glad that Huckabee won't be splitting the christian vote.
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