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July 10, 2010

"A Deep Cess-Pool of Creativity:" AoSHQ Movie Club
— Ace

I had an idea to try this for a while. We pick a movie, watch it, I review it in a lead post, but the review only really is a jumping off point for group discussion.

With so many people on Netflix it's pretty easy.

steve_in_hb just recommended to me "Overnight," a 2003 documentary about the guy who wrote Boondock Saints.

I've never seen the movie (I've heard it's kinda awful, though for some reason it has a cult following), but I was interested by steve's plot summary:

1. Boston tough-guy bartender/bouncer is plucked out of obscurity and given a million-dollar deal for his script (and his band, actually).

2. Guy makes a lot of videos of himself and his friends after the deal talking about how awesome he is and how he and his band/entourage (called "The Syndicate") will forever change how people view music and film, because, he says, they have "a deep cess-pool of creativity" (and he didn't mean that in a funny way).

3. Guy's fundamental nature as first-class egotist and all-around asshole causes friction and then vows by most people in Hollywood to never work with him again.

4. Guy returns to being a bartender/bouncer.

If that interests you, it's available at Netflix (at the link above) as a play-over-your-computer option. I think I'll also watch Boondock Saints and see if this movie really had the potential, as this guy alleged, to completely remake our conception of entertainment. I kinda suspect not. (That's also free for playing over the computer.)

So, sort of a double feature, if you want to bother with the second feature.

I'll put up a review/discussion post on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Posted by: Ace at 09:05 AM | Comments (210)
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1 So, Boondock Saints is sorta like Rocky, only the protagonist is an unlikable asshole.

Posted by: Phinn at July 10, 2010 09:08 AM (GiUTT)

2 Another interesting indie flick, also available to "watch instantly" via Netflix, is "Big Fan," a comedy-drama about an obsessed NY Giants fan (Patton Oswalt). Could generate a good discussion about whether the main character is a sad loser or a quiet man of integrity (or both?). Oswalt is very good in it, though the story is a little thin.

Posted by: sauropod at July 10, 2010 09:09 AM (GPm6P)

3 Or rather, Overnight is Rocky without the charm. Got it now.

Posted by: Phinn at July 10, 2010 09:09 AM (GiUTT)

4 OK. Who's bringing the popcorn?

And... will we be reviewing pron?

Posted by: Y-not at July 10, 2010 09:11 AM (HDip8)

5 Boondock Saints was a cinematic masterpiece. I'll even dip 'em in marinara so you get a taste of home. And I'm pretty sure the documentary, or part of it, was included on the Boondock Saints Special Edition DVD. It was kind of boring, but fun to watch a guy kill his own dream.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 09:11 AM (WZFkG)

6 Boondock Saints is sorta like Rocky

And like Rocky, the sequel stinks.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2010 09:11 AM (4WbTI)

7 Sounds like work.

Can I get a Cliff Notes version?

Posted by: Kemp at July 10, 2010 09:13 AM (2+9Yx)

8 "Boondock Saints I've never seen the movie" ...welcome to the Human Race...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 10, 2010 09:14 AM (tJjm/)

9 "Change the way people view film?" So, does he mean by wearing pants and not having a box of tissue within arm's reach?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 10, 2010 09:17 AM (HZYIs)

10 Actually, the wife is a big fan and I just watched both of them a couple of weeks ago. Watched the sequel first...Had to see the original. They're both worth a look. Good shoot em up type crap.

Posted by: Portnoy at July 10, 2010 09:17 AM (azgo2)

speaking of movies...

Did you know Hollywood is remaking SHARKY'S MACHINE?

and...A STAR IS BORN?

Posted by: i hear bing frickin crosby in my ears at night at July 10, 2010 09:18 AM (/i4c2)

12 He also insisted and got the right to direct his own script, didn't he? More recently, the studios paid a New York tolltaker big bucks for the script to Brooklyn's Finest. Despite giving it a great cast and director, the movie didn't do very well at the box office. So either the studios screw up great scripts, or they suffer mass hysteria in which if one exec likes a mediocre script, suddenly every other exec in town tries to get it because of the fear that their competitor might have found the next Rocky.

Posted by: stuiec at July 10, 2010 09:20 AM (W+GYq)

Ace, a few months ago I floated the idea of an AoS Movie Night^tm on Friday nights where we pick a movie we can all watch online and then simultaneous run a liveblog here for running commentary.

It would be like MST3K.

Posted by: i hear bing frickin crosby in my ears at night at July 10, 2010 09:20 AM (/i4c2)

14 A Star is Born in Sharkey's Machine....

I kinda liked Sharky's Machine...the book is alot better...

A Sharky Star is Born in the Machine.....

Totally Sharky...Complete!!!

Posted by: Portnoy at July 10, 2010 09:21 AM (azgo2)

15 Attention morons.
I have captured the elusive creature known as Kratos.
I have him captive in NEPA.
He will be released in 24 hours!

Posted by: mpfs, another year older at July 10, 2010 09:23 AM (fs5TX)

speaking of indie crap...

there's a new very-low-budget sci-fi series being made right now called PIONEER ONE completely financed by online donations. The first ep is out and it's pretty good.

Problem is they won't make more until they raise more $$, so the eps won't be shown regularly.

Posted by: i hear bing frickin crosby in my ears at night at July 10, 2010 09:24 AM (/i4c2)

yeah, you make a good point...

Sharky's Machine would be 62% more better if there was actually a machine in the movie.

Maybe a time machine?

Sharky can use his machine to go back in time and tell Burt Reynolds not to make HOOPER.

Posted by: i hear bing frickin crosby in my ears at night at July 10, 2010 09:26 AM (/i4c2)

18 boondock saints is like a cross between death wish and gran torino. A movie that has, at one end, Ron Jeremy and Jeanna Fine, and at the other has Billy Connelly and Willem Dafoe? I gotta 2nd what #5/ChicagoJedi said. Most I know really like it.

Posted by: A.G. at July 10, 2010 09:26 AM (qrKUQ)

19 Can I get a Cliff Notes version?

Two Irish brothers go full vigilante and wipe a crime syndicate. FBI and local cops pursue them, but later on the FBI agent (played by Willem Dafoe) eventually comes around to their side and helps them out.

Boondock Saints 2: more of the same, except Julie Benz (Dexter) is the FBI agent this time coming after the Irish bros who fled to Ireland after the first movie, come back after hearing about their fav priest getting murdered by their signature kill move (two bullets to the back of the head, crossing, and exiting out the opposite eye).

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2010 09:27 AM (iWj1i)

No, wait.

Sharky's machine is a badass robot, like the Terminator.

Sharky controls this robot and together they fight crime and protect hookers.

Posted by: Hollywood Genius at July 10, 2010 09:28 AM (/i4c2)

21 If we're recommending movies I'll nominate: DEAD MAN [Jim Jarmusch] - Weird western starring Johnny Depp, DEAD SNOW [Tommy Wirkola] - Scandis versus Zombie Nazis!!!, SIX-STRING SAMURAI [Lance Mungia] - Buddy Holly versus Grim Reaper with swords, THE GATE [Tibor Takacs] - vastly underrated horror film from the 80's, and the classic MONSTER SQUAD [Fred Dekker] - Wolfman has nards.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 09:31 AM (WZFkG)

22 The problem with reviewing small budget indie "avant-garde" stuff is that 99% of it is liberal crap with piss poor actors and script.

The critics like to review that stuff and use a lot of big terms to impress us Morons with their knowledge of "art" and to justify their jobs. I throw the BS flag on them.

Even trying to review the Hollywood big budget pictures is tough nowadays because most of what is being produced now is some type of damn sequel.

I will say though that the Star Trek movie turned out totally different than what I had expected and I mean that in a good way.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2010 09:31 AM (/jbAw)

23

Boondock Saints is an awesome movie. Willem Dafoe's turn as the FBI agent was probably his best role ever. Haven't seen the second one yet, but my guess is it doesn't even come close to recreating the first.

As far as the documentary goes, its pretty good to and makes Troy Duffy appear to be every bit of the narcissistic douchebag he is.

Posted by: Blazer at July 10, 2010 09:34 AM (t72+4)

24 Despite giving it a great cast and director, the movie didn't do very well at the box office.

It made almost a 50% profit, before the DVD even came out.

The movies studios are least willing to make are guaranteed high-percentage/small-total moneymakers by directors who only need funding. Financing profitable films isn't the business anyone at any major studio thinks they're in.

Probably the best example is David Lynch. He has a three-decade career of batting a thousand on profitability (even on Dune, for f's sake), and he can't get a film studio-financed, because all he'll do for them is make them huge profits. That's not the business.

Posted by: oblig. at July 10, 2010 09:36 AM (x7Ao8)

25 Boondock Saints is pure awesome... the sequel is pure crap. It was as though the director said, "Hey, you know what this gritty super-violent indy movie needs? More wacky, zany antics and slapstick!"

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at July 10, 2010 09:36 AM (31pnY)

We could also watch a movie on TV at a given time while we yabber about it in a liveblog box, you know, like we do during the presidential debates. It would be like a giant version of MST3K.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 10, 2010 09:39 AM (/VONQ)

27 I watched "The Book of Eli" the other night. The story was never developed but Denzel Washington was good.

Posted by: maddogg at July 10, 2010 09:41 AM (DqSon)

28 Is the movie subtitled The Barack Obama Story?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2010 09:41 AM (7b1Uc)

29 I saw Boondock Saints a while ago. I didn't know that that was the title to it, though after reading the synopsis I realize that it was this movie. I generally liked it. It didn't make all too much sense (from what I recall) and the action scenes were a bit much, but I remember liking the movie. The dialogue was good and the prayer they said before they killed people was pretty awesome.

I did like what I saw, though I don't think I made it to the end of the movie. There's no question that I wouldn't be interested in any documentary "about" the movie or in a sequel of it. But I did enjoy the first hour of the film and found it fun as hell.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 09:42 AM (Qp4DT)

30 #26

Looks like the morons are bored today. Start drinking!

Tomorrow last day of the Ghey sport for weeks.

Something to celebrate. I am taking Spain, the Dutch are dope smoking pussies.

Posted by: Kemp at July 10, 2010 09:44 AM (2+9Yx)

31 So is this like homework? Perhaps we should've started with something easy like a Pron movie or something.

Posted by: CDR M at July 10, 2010 09:46 AM (BuYeH)

AoS^Â®, where no one reads the posts or any of the comments.

Posted by: do you hear what i hear? at July 10, 2010 09:46 AM (/i4c2)

33 15 Attention morons.
I have captured the elusive creature known as Kratos.
I have him captive in NEPA.
He will be released in 24 hours!

Posted by: mpfs, another year older at July 10, 2010 01:23 PM (fs5TX)

I bet Kratos being offline for 24 hours will still be the #1 poster for the week!

Did he bring his Hawaiian shirt?

Posted by: CDR M at July 10, 2010 09:47 AM (y67bA)

34 Sturgeon's Law : "90% of Science Fiction is crud, but then, 90% of everything is crud."

Posted by: Adriane at July 10, 2010 09:47 AM (+NfQM)

35 Boondock Saints and the sequel were pretty decent. The wife and I both liked them.

Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at July 10, 2010 09:57 AM (erlfI)

36 Meh. Sounds like y'all are looking for a message flick...

I like really moronic (oops!) entertainment.

Perfect Saturday night flick: Beneath the Valley of the Ultravixens, perhaps partnered with Faster, Pussycat! kill! Kill!, two all-time greats from the immortal Russ Meyer (PBUH).

Well, maybe not ideal if you're trying to get close with a new chick, even though there's not much more flesh than you'd see in an "important" movie.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 10, 2010 09:57 AM (Ulu3i)

37 yeahhhhh....no.
Anybody seen Special? That one's a riot

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at July 10, 2010 09:58 AM (hCQG5)

38 What was the famous boondocksaint song?

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 10, 2010 09:58 AM (/VONQ)

39 Do are reviews have to be single-spaced and at least 500 words?

Posted by: eman at July 10, 2010 10:01 AM (132iP)

40 our not are

Posted by: eman at July 10, 2010 10:02 AM (132iP)

41 Or if you want twisted... LADY TERMINATOR - magic eels coming out of her what?, DEAD ALIVE - lawnmower always beats zombie, CRIPPLED MASTERS - one has no arms one has no legs together they are a kung fu master, and BLACK SHEEP - killer mutant sheep (not the Farley comedy). HUMAN CENTIPEDE will be worth checking out once it hits DVD.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 10:05 AM (WZFkG)

42 Wife of Oil Exec Wounded By Shoe Box Bomb

Motherfuckers.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2010 10:07 AM (4WbTI)

43 All I can say is that I'm watching the Journal Editorial Report, where these idiots are talking about Arizona and demonstrating what a pathetic lack of understanding of our Constitution they have (the retards think that Arizona will lose on 'federal pre-emption' - LOL) ... I wouldn't mind seeing those brothers crash onto the set, say they're prayer, and put an end to the Journal Editorial Report.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 10:07 AM (Qp4DT)

44
Boondock Saints is Tarantino Lite. All the violence with two thirds less witty dialog. I saw the documentary first and only watched the movie because of it. Troy Duffy is an instant asshole, just add money. The doc is better than the movie.

With the ONT, Monty's book threads and financial updates, and now Ace's movie threads, AoSHQ is becoming a full Blogversity. How soon will it be before he is granting degrees in Doctors of Moronosity?

For the movie thread I nominate any Herzog film.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at July 10, 2010 10:07 AM (Oxen1)

45 Er .... "their".

Oy.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 10:09 AM (Qp4DT)

46

Watched The Grand for the first time the other night. That,s pretty good to.

Posted by: Blazer at July 10, 2010 10:10 AM (t72+4)

47 "It made almost a 50% profit, before the DVD even came out"

Uh, let's see. BS had a budget of $6 million. By conventional math, it needed to make about $12 million at the box office before breaking even.

It made $30,471 dollars domestically (seriously) and about $220,000 foreign.

The film made a lot on home video, millions in fact, hence the sequel. But clearly there was no way it was close to recouping its costs before then. The sequel did better at the box office, but not nearly enough to break even. The home video revenues probably pushed it into profitability, but not by much. Don't expect a third chapter any time soon.

Posted by: Ken Begg at July 10, 2010 10:15 AM (TYPpA)

Boondock saints/Overnight is a great suggestion. I liked the movie, a bit original, and Willem Dafoe was simply awesome.

Overnight has to be seen in order to appreciate what an asshole this Duffy guy is.

Posted by: exceller at July 10, 2010 10:19 AM (Z7Znk)

49 The Boondock Saints is a good movie but it could have been a great movie. It didn't totally work for me. Haven't seen the documentary but now plan to. Really loved Dead Man as someone mentioned above.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 10:19 AM (xO+6C)

@16: I hear bing...I saw Pioneer One as well and donated some bucks towards the next episodes. They made their goal of $20,000.00 and are supposed to start shooting the next 3 episodes in September.

For those that might be curious, the website for it is here. You can download the pilot episode via torrent.

Posted by: Mr Fox at July 10, 2010 10:20 AM (QY7/i)

51 So, Boondock Saints is sorta like Rocky, only the protagonist is an unlikable asshole.

I'd compare it more to Deathwish. And the media hate it for pretty much the same reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2010 10:23 AM (bgcml)

Overnight has to be seen in order to appreciate what an asshole this Duffy guy is.

Posted by: exceller at July 10, 2010 02:19 PM (Z7Znk)

Yes, we in Hollywood can't stand assholes.

Posted by: Sean Penn, James Cameron, Cameron Diaz, etc all at July 10, 2010 10:24 AM (bgcml)

53 Want to be a Citizen Producer of quality pro-American movies?

Go here and check it out: http://www.declarationentertainment.com/

Or if that link doesn't work try this one: http://tinyurl.com/2beq4ap

It could be the best money you ever spend for your kids and grand kids.

Papa Ray

Posted by: Papa Ray at July 10, 2010 10:24 AM (JpVJn)

54 38 What was the famous boondocksaint song?

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 10, 2010 01:58 PM (/VONQ)

This?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - pissing on communists since the 70's at July 10, 2010 10:26 AM (YVZlY)

55 Ace, it is absolutely, totally fucked up that as the guy-stuff/moron blogger that you are you haven't seen Boondock Saints.

Shit, what the hell else haven't you seen? Fight Club? Snatch? Pulp Fiction? El Mariachi? Do you even watch action movies. How the hell can you miss this. I have to stop reading your blog until you correct this omission. Seriously, it's like a nerd blogger who never saw The Princess Bride.

Get the idea. Boondock is that class of movie. In fact very much that type of movie. It isn't innovative, or brilliant, but since you're just seeing it now you clueless twit, you'll think the stuff that it did that was new is a cliche. Brilliant take and play on the "detective recreates crime scene" cliche.

One of the great cult / surreal / action / funny movies of our time.

Posted by: Ronsonic at July 10, 2010 10:26 AM (VTm+A)

56 I liked Boondock Saints, but it was hardly revolutionary in any sense. It has some wit and a funny premise, but it would be like Ace declaring his blog a complete re-making of the Internet landscape to take the creator's claims seriously. It benefitted from Willem Dafoe and Billy Connolley as much as it did from the script.

(I don't want to watch the documentary. It sounds painfully over-self-aware. Yeesh.)

Posted by: logprof at July 10, 2010 10:26 AM (BP6Z1)

57 Ooo, i think I'll watch this. I've heard of this documentary.

Boondock Saints isn't good, but you may not notice it until the second viewing.

THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!!!!

Posted by: Z Ryan :| at July 10, 2010 10:26 AM (cMo6P)

58 If we're recommending movies I'll nominate: DEAD MAN [Jim Jarmusch] - Weird western starring Johnny Depp

Uh, no. I lasted about 20 minutes before I turned off this sucky, unpleasant film. It's the kind of movie that gives indie crap a bad name.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 10, 2010 10:27 AM (tckIh)

59 Attention morons.
I have captured the elusive creature known as Kratos.
I have him captive in NEPA.
He will be released in 24 hours!
Posted by: mpfs, another year older

I'm coming, Kratos. Hold on.

Posted by: Z Ryan :| at July 10, 2010 10:27 AM (cMo6P)

60 --> "Probably the best example is David Lynch. He has a three-decade career of batting a thousand on profitability (even on Dune, for f's sake), and he can't get a film studio-financed, because all he'll do for them is make them huge profits. That's not the business." OK, I'll bite -- what IS the business of Hollwood then? Banging starlets? Funding commie politicians?

Posted by: Phinn at July 10, 2010 10:28 AM (6KsJJ)

61 I rewatched The Third Man last night. Wow. What a depressing and magnificent film. Naive American, meet cynical and jaded Europe. What's that, Holly? You're only kinda naive?

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 10, 2010 10:28 AM (1kwr2)

62
Don't even talk about the box office from Boondock Saints, it was scheduled for release when the Columbine thing happened and got dropped from theaters. It's been all DVD all the way.

Posted by: Ronsonic at July 10, 2010 10:30 AM (VTm+A)

63 Boondock jumped the shark when Defoe donned a dress and heals.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 10:30 AM (xO+6C)

64 Boondock Saints....interesting, but meh. Dafoe was great (as he always is), cool premise, quotability etc. But less than the sum of the parts, in my view. Still, a hell of a lot more interesting than most of the dreck that Hollywood produces. Overnight documents the miracle of stuffing 300 lbs of asshole into a 200 lb douchebag on a movie set.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 10:31 AM (9Lm5R)

Boondock Saints is my St Paddy's Day action movie, like Die Hard is my Christmas action movie.

I haven't seen the second one yet though...kinda figured it wouldn't be as good.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 10:31 AM (QY7/i)

66 And watched The General with Buster Keaton the night before. I keep turning up the sound when I watch silent movies, just like when I watch subtitled movies, like Curse of the Golden Flower, a movie in which almost, as the old Marvel comix used to shout on their covers, Everybody Dies!

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 10, 2010 10:32 AM (1kwr2)

67 Boondock jumped the shark when Defoe donned a dress and heals.
Posted by: Dr. Spank

You just say that because you got an erection.

Posted by: Z Ryan :| at July 10, 2010 10:32 AM (cMo6P)

68 I just recently saw "In the Loop" which I had avoided watching for some time, but finally gave it a try and it turned out to be pretty funny. Language warning for people that have youngin's.

In the Loop

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 10:34 AM (JSghx)

69 Or if you want asian... OLDBOY - revenge at its best/worst, GOZU - if you want milk, ICHI THE KILLER - chronic masturbating super hero and human tempura, THE HOST - giant mutant versus bow hunting girl, TOKYO GORE POLICE - for over the top gore.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 10:34 AM (WZFkG)

70 The documentary is pretty awesome. Basically this guy Duffy had a flunkie videotape his rise to the top, and gave him the rights to do a documentary, then he totally fucked him over on money and called him a fucking asshole and stuff. So here's his vengeance.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 10:35 AM (5Geca)

71 Oldboy rules.

I'm starting the documentary in a couple minutes. From what I hear, it's basically how this director burned all of his bridges.

Posted by: Z Ryan :| at July 10, 2010 10:37 AM (cMo6P)

72 "Well, maybe not ideal if you're trying to get close with a new chick..." Depends on the chick. One of my favorite first dates was watching The Big Bird Cage at an old penitentiary. Great '70s women-in-prison exploitation film.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 10:37 AM (wd0Iq)

I haven't seen the second one yet though...kinda figured it wouldn't be as good.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 02:31 PM (QY7/i)

--The first was worth buying to me, the second merely worth renting.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 02:34 PM (JSghx)

I shall have to check out In the Loop, since I have learned recently here it apparently has great insults.

Speaking of, I don't think Ace has seen In Bruges yet either if he has not yet seen Saints. I don't even care much for Colin Farrell, but it was a good flick.

Posted by: logprof at July 10, 2010 10:38 AM (BP6Z1)

74 The best indie movie I've seen recently was Outpost ...it's worth a look if you need some suggestions.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 10:39 AM (QY7/i)

75 OK, I'll bite -- what IS the business of Hollwood then? Banging starlets? Funding commie politicians? Hollywood accounting makes Enron, WorldCom, and Bernie Madoff look like paragons of business ethics. I don't believe that shit about Hollywood being on the ragged edge of profitability for a second. Tax and government regulation-wise, Hollywood is easily the most pampered business in the US, even worse than professional sports.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 10:40 AM (9Lm5R)

76 "a deep cess-pool of creativity"

Now see, I can hardly think of a better way to describe AoSHQ. In fact, this could be the new AoSHQ motto. Take down the Menken quote and replace it with this one.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 10, 2010 10:41 AM (tckIh)

77 Tax and government regulation-wise, Hollywood is easily the most pampered business in the US, even worse than professional sports.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 02:40 PM (9Lm5R)

--Yeah, lots of goodies given by locales to get films shot.

Posted by: logprof at July 10, 2010 10:42 AM (BP6Z1)

78 Don't even talk about the box office from Boondock Saints, it was scheduled for release when the Columbine thing happened and got dropped from theaters. It's been all DVD all the way.

Posted by: Ronsonic at July 10, 2010 02:30 PM (VTm+A)

The biggest reason it didn't get released for several years is because Troy Duffy made fast enemies of Harvey Weinstein and essentially got blacklisted and destroyed any goodwill he had built up in Hollywood in a very short time. Its a shame too because the guy had the world in his hands at the time and threw away an epic opportunity.

You could also say he pretty much destroyed the careers of Sean Patrick Flannery and Norman Reedus who as the two brothers were great . Hell everyone in this flick is awesome, but I think those two suffered the most from Duffy's over inflated ego in the long run.

Posted by: Blazer at July 10, 2010 10:42 AM (t72+4)

79 In Bruges was pretty good logprof, another one I avoided for a long time.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 10:42 AM (JSghx)

80 Speaking of, I don't think Ace has seen In Bruges yet either if he has not yet seen Saints. I don't even care much for Colin Farrell, but it was a good flick.

As far as movies go, In Bruges wipes its ass with Saints.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 10, 2010 10:44 AM (tckIh)

81 The best indie movie I've seen recently was Outpost ...it's worth a look if you need some suggestions. That's a good one. Although the premise rather well-worn. Same basic plotline in "The Bunker" and "Deathwatch"....hell, even "Dead Snow".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 10:45 AM (9Lm5R)

82 You could also say he pretty much destroyed the careers of Sean Patrick Flannery and Norman Reedus who as the two brothers were great .

Posted by: Blazer at July 10, 2010 02:42 PM (t72+4)

They made the movie, from what I recall. Dafoe reminded me of that crappy role Gary Oldman played in that pathetically ridiculous "The Professional". Boy, did that movie suck shit.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 10:45 AM (Qp4DT)

They made the movie, from what I recall. Dafoe reminded me of that crappy role Gary Oldman played in that pathetically ridiculous "The Professional". Boy, did that movie suck shit.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 02:45 PM (Qp4DT)

Fuck you. Natalie Portman was hawt in that!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at July 10, 2010 10:47 AM (BP6Z1)

84 I'll play along. It should be fun, just as long as you don't force us to contribute one red friggin cent to any movie from which Sean Penn or Danny Glover might benefit.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 10:48 AM (NHK5s)

85 --Yeah, lots of goodies given by locales to get films shot. Not just that. Especially here in CA, lots of movie business exemptions written into just about every regulatory system you can imagine: environmental impact, firearms law, workplace safety, etc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 10:48 AM (9Lm5R)

86 Krauts score!

I think the octopus is gonna nail this one too.

Posted by: logprof at July 10, 2010 10:49 AM (BP6Z1)

87 Overnight is available on youtube, for non-netflixing morons.

Posted by: Alyosha at July 10, 2010 10:49 AM (blcI9)

88 Oh, and a suggestion: If this is to be a regular series/feature, perhaps you can post the film title on Thursday, rather than Saturday, which provides an extra movie-watching night into which we can incorporate the title.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 10:52 AM (NHK5s)

89 >>>I don't think Ace has seen In Bruges yet either if he has not yet seen Saints. I don't even care much for Colin Farrell, but it was a good flick. yeah i've seen it, plenty good, except for that jackass independent-movie-conceit we-need-a-ludicrous-redemptive-moment.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 10:53 AM (5Geca)

@83: That's a good one. Although the premise rather well-worn. Same basic plotline in "The Bunker" and "Deathwatch"....hell, even "Dead Snow".

Hey, The Bunker and Deathwatch sound pretty cool...gonna check them out...thanks for the suggestions

I saw Dead Snow, it was pretty good. I like those style of comic book movies...sort of like the soldier/ghost stories you used to get in the back of Sgt Rock comics.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 10:56 AM (QY7/i)

91 "...that pathetically ridiculous "The Professional". Boy, did that movie suck shit." Hmm I remember really liking that movie. But, I saw it in Ireland, so I was probably drunk.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 10:56 AM (wd0Iq)

92 73 Oldboy rules. Sympathy for Mr Violence Sympathy for Lady Violence are the two other movies of that trilogy. Oldboy is the middle movie. It's a thematic trilogy so the movies don't really interconnect. All of them are great but Oldboy exists in it's own universe of greatness. @71 Don't forget AUDITION. Morons, if you've never seen Audition. Well, you've missed out on horror greatness. Don't read anything about it. Don't look at the photos on the box as they are spoilers. Just rent it and watch. The stuff of nightmares that one. One of my favorite Japanese movies is an old school serial killer movie called "Vengence is Mine". Available from Criterion Collection Blockbuster and Netflix. Pure awesome. Pure greatness. Pure genius from casting to direction to script. And not what you think it will be at all. Do yourself a favor and see it.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 10, 2010 11:01 AM (I49Jm)

Dead Snow was a freakin' HOOT! Loved it!

That settles it: Gonna watch Oldboy tonight. (I am not doing italics or underlining or anything because once I start, I jsut can't make it stop.)

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 10, 2010 11:02 AM (1kwr2)

94 Hmm I remember really liking that movie. But, I saw it in Ireland, so I was probably drunk.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 02:56 PM (wd0Iq)

Lots of people seem to have liked it. I really have no idea why.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 11:02 AM (Qp4DT)

95 I never said all these films were great, but they are great to discuss on AoS. In that spirit... I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE - longest rape scene in a movie and sweet sweet revenge, TRANSYLVANIA 6-5000 - where do I begin?, CABIN BOY - cause these pipes are clean, VERY BAD THINGS - dark comedy, LET IT RIDE - Richard Dreyfuss is a degenerate gambler, KUNG POW - open your mouth, and TOUCH OF EVIL - morbidly obese Welles and Mexican Heston.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 11:02 AM (WZFkG)

96 Yeah, In Bruges was really good until characters started stupidly offing themselves.

Posted by: steve_in_hb at July 10, 2010 11:03 AM (xC0vy)

97 LET IT RIDE - Richard Dreyfuss is a degenerate gambler,

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 03:02 PM (WZFkG)

That was a great movie. Truly.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 11:06 AM (Qp4DT)

I Spit on Your Grave?

Are you friggin serious?!

Being caught by surprise with a scene such as that is one thing, but when it is the most oft cited scene for its length and graphic nature, I'm not really certain what the Moron-Society can contribute to the conversation.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:06 AM (NHK5s)

99 Something to celebrate. I am taking Spain, the Dutch are dope smoking pussies.

Posted by: Kemp at July 10, 2010 01:44 PM (2+9Yx)

Besides, Spain has that cephalopod mojo working for it.

Posted by: stuiec at July 10, 2010 11:08 AM (W+GYq)

100 Now here is an indie film from 2009 that would be a big hit for the Morons

http://tinyurl.com/2769k4c

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2010 11:10 AM (/jbAw)

101

It made almost a 50% profit, before the DVD even came out.

The movies studios are least willing to make are guaranteed high-percentage/small-total moneymakers by directors who only need funding. Financing profitable films isn't the business anyone at any major studio thinks they're in.

Probably the best example is David Lynch. He has a three-decade career of batting a thousand on profitability (even on Dune, for f's sake), and he can't get a film studio-financed, because all he'll do for them is make them huge profits. That's not the business.

Posted by: oblig. at July 10, 2010 01:36 PM (x7Ao

Are you talking about Brooklyn's Finest?

Posted by: stuiec at July 10, 2010 11:10 AM (W+GYq)

102 I saw Dead Snow, it was pretty good. I like those style of comic book movies...sort of like the soldier/ghost stories you used to get in the back of Sgt Rock comics. Weird War Tales!!! I was big on the scary comics as a kid. Hated, hated, hated the superheros.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 11:11 AM (9Lm5R)

103

Me again.

I'm still upset.

WTH! is there to say about it?

Should we discuss the realism? How well the actors performed their parts? About how she did/didn't have it coming? Whether women should dress a certain way? OH! I know...It's the revenge thing, right?

Well, if revenge is to the be topic, then might I suggest a Charles Bronson movie? Or, perhaps, Unforgiven...or Gran Torino...or one of any number of movies other than I Spit on Your Grave.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:11 AM (NHK5s)

104 I liked Boondock Saints, particularly the performance by Wilem DeFoe.

Don't think it changed the space-time continuum or whatever the writer claimed.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 11:12 AM (iRsz4)

105 Boondock Saints is a classic uber-violent guy movie. Fun movie. Two low-class, low-life, sociopathic scumbags decide to violently rid the world of ... low-class, low-life, sociopathic scumbags. The fun part is they do this with no sense of irony or awareness of their own scumbag nature, they think they are frickin heroes on a holy mission from God.

It's the cinematic equivalent of the Islamic anti-homosexuality police in AfPak who are determined to stamp out homosexuality by ... gang-raping any man they think is the ghey.

Posted by: huh at July 10, 2010 11:13 AM (BXqkH)

106

it was scheduled for release when the Columbine thing happened and got dropped from theaters

Same thing happened with "The Warriors". Shown one or two nights in LA, fights broke out in the theaters, and was dropped from general release.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:15 AM (6oDXl)

107 I recommend "A Reason to Live, A Reason to Die", with James Coburn, Bud Spencer, and Telly Savalas. On Watch Instantly on Netflix.

Posted by: nk at July 10, 2010 11:17 AM (0qQFS)

108 "I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE - longest rape scene in a movie and sweet sweet revenge" My mom let me rent that when I was 11. Boy was she sorry. For some reason, she let me rent gore films, but I wasn't allowed to watch The Breakfast Club.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 11:18 AM (wd0Iq)

109 #100 - I Spit on Your Grave could work. Most people haven't heard about it. Those that have still aren't prepared. I mean what's their reference point - The Accused? No amount of pre-viewing gossip will make them ready. And it's not just the rape scene. How many movies have a naked woman wielding a knife in one hand and steering a motorboat with the other. It's a revenge classic.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 11:18 AM (WZFkG)

110 One of my favorite revenge scenes is when Nokes gets his in Sleepers.

Posted by: davidt at July 10, 2010 11:18 AM (HtIec)

111 Same thing happened with "The Warriors". Shown one or two nights in LA, fights broke out in the theaters, and was dropped from general release.

I saw "The Warriors" in a theater.

Seem to recall that the whole "inciting gang warfare" thing was a publicity hoax.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 11:21 AM (iRsz4)

112 I will watch just about anything...for the cause. Just please don't make me watch JarJarBinks.

Posted by: sTevo at July 10, 2010 11:21 AM (C/g2D)

113 I forgot SGT. KABUKI MAN NYPD... now that''s a dialogue starter right there.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 11:22 AM (WZFkG)

114

Okie dokey.

How about a chick-flick that even men really like: She's Having a Baby

Guys, if you've seen it and give away the ending, I'll hunt you down.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:22 AM (NHK5s)

115

Weird War Tales!!! I was big on the scary comics as a kid. Hated, hated, hated the superheros.

Yeah, I always stayed away from the superhero comics as well...except maybe for the Hulk...that one kicked ass.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 11:23 AM (QY7/i)

116 "How about a chick-flick that even men really like: She's Having a Baby" They seem to really like Say Anything, too. Still haven't figured that one out.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 11:24 AM (wd0Iq)

117

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 03:21 PM (iRsz4)

Well, it wasn't a hoax in LA. That film was just gone. I lived there at the time and read about it in the Times. So of course it could just have been local.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:24 AM (6oDXl)

118

111...

I'm going to take a guess and say that you're a sick fuck.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:25 AM (NHK5s)

119 My mom let me rent that when I was 11.

Wow, if we are talking about the 1978 version that movie had a rating of NC-17.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2010 11:27 AM (/jbAw)

120 For revenge flicks, Kevin Bacon's Death Sentence is surprisingly competent. It's not great or anything. But it did surprise me with its basic (low-budget) strength. I decided it was a good movie when Bacon was being chased by thugs and there was a long barely uninterrupted shaky-cam shot of his flight. (POV, I think, but don't hold me to that.) I usually hate shaky-cam, but here it was deployed well, as it did add to the emotion, that this guy is running/stumbling/gasping along for his life.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 11:27 AM (5Geca)

121 barely interrupted I meant. I think there were cuts, just not a lot of them.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 11:29 AM (5Geca)

122 Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 02:37 PM

What you said, Joanie, but I didn't wanna get into one chica's disappointment later in the evening when I didn't quite measure up to Mr Peterbilt....

But our re-enactment of the "black sock" bit was teh awesome!

Other, cleaner movies that won't give you a headache from trying to take in all that important societal shit (if I want education on the screen, I'll watch Blood on the Pavement): Death Race 2000, Motorama, Volere Volare (a truly bizarre and hilarious Italian flick), Killer Klowns From Outer Space.

I do recommend avoiding Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. I like to think Russ was just in it for the money.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 10, 2010 11:30 AM (Ulu3i)

123

118..

Yeah. I've never really understood the appeal of that one either. It's good, but there are certainly better chick-flicks out there.

As for She's Having a Baby, I've never seen a man deviate from course at the end. For all the humor, it's pretty complicated. And, another I love, which also stars Kevin Bacon, is He Said, She Said. Very charming.

I love the action and suspense movies, although I'm not a Tarantino fan, but I like a bit of charm as well. Good movies that happen to appeal to women are great for taking down the tension a bit.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:30 AM (NHK5s)

124 Well, it wasn't a hoax in LA. That film was just gone. I lived there at the time and read about it in the Times. So of course it could just have been local.

Could be. It was a really long time ago.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 11:31 AM (iRsz4)

125 Death Sentence has a different take on the Avenging Vigilate formula, too: He's not a virtual superhero like Death Wish's Paul Keasey (is that name right) or, to a lesser extent, Jodie Foster in the very-watchable The Brave One. I mean, the guy is realistic in the sense that he has no idea how to go about hunting down and killing the gangbangers who murdered his son. He throws himself into dangerous situations and he's not in control of them most of the time. And the gangbangers hit back, kind of realistically, that is to say, awfully.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 11:32 AM (5Geca)

126 I mean: He's compelled to do these things, but he doesn't actually have the skills to do these things. So it's more suspenseful than the usual Vigilante fare. This guy has righteous anger but not really the rest of the skill set.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 11:34 AM (5Geca)

127 Hot Fuzz is on comedy central right now speaking of good non-box office hit movies.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 11:34 AM (JSghx)

128

Well, if you want to do a movie, I would NOT recommend I Spit On Your Grave. Not unless you want to totally turn off any of the Moronnets.

Gotta admit guys, that film has some pretty graphic rape scenes.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:34 AM (6oDXl)

129 "Wow, if we are talking about the 1978 version that movie had a rating of NC-17." When it came to horror films, she never looked at the rating. I think it was the supposed shorter R-rated version. I haven't seen the X-rated version, so I can't compare.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 11:36 AM (wd0Iq)

130

"Well, if revenge is to the be topic, then might I suggest a Charles Bronson movie? Or, perhaps, Unforgiven...or Gran Torino...or one of any number of movies other than I Spit on Your Grave."

Ms. .45 is much better for that.

So I'm also gonna watch Kagemusha. Why does Ho-wood keep remaking crap? So many older films are so brilliant--what, does every film have to ben an "indie" nowadays in order to be original and interesting?

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 10, 2010 11:36 AM (1kwr2)

131 I'm not doing I Spit On Your Grave, no way. I think that rape scene had a distinct touch of the lascivious. That is, it wasn't just (to me) presented as something awful, it was supposed to be titilating too. At least that's the vibe I got.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2010 11:36 AM (5Geca)

132

Never heard of Death Sentence. Sounds interesting.

Of course we could do Death Race 2000. I understand it just cme out on DVD. Heck, I haven't seen that film in years. But I loved it then...

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:38 AM (6oDXl)

133

Weird War Tales!!! I was big on the scary comics as a kid. Hated, hated, hated the superheros.

@IllTemperedCur: If you're into the Soldier / Horror thing you must also have seen Dog Soldiers? ...if not, it's also definitely worth a look.

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 11:40 AM (QY7/i)

134 Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 03:38 PM

Saw DR2K (again) about a year ago. Still a sensitive, heartwarming film. Sly Stallone gave the performance of a lifetime!

Great chick flick, too, if you know any chicks who dig blood, senseless mayhem and hate the French.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 10, 2010 11:41 AM (Ulu3i)

135

133...

Thank you, Ace.

I was afraid the series might die before it ever got off the ground.

Anyone who cites a rape scene as THE reason for adding a film to the list is, quite clearly, off his fucking rocker.

Thanks again.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:42 AM (NHK5s)

136 "I do recommend avoiding Beyond the Valley of the Dolls." I didn't think it was that bad. Roger Ebert surprised me. And it did make me wonder about what his unmade "Who Killed Bambi?"/Sex Pistols film would have been like. Awesomely filthy, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 11:42 AM (wd0Iq)

137

Sly Stallone gave the performance of a lifetime!

Heh...

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:42 AM (6oDXl)

138 Boondock Saints was an ham-fisted piece of shit. I am no movie snob by any stretch, but I seriously wonder if some of you guys saw a different movie than I did? It was so bad, I was embarassed while watching it with my wife; like when two people in a movie start fucking, and your parents are watching it with you. That kind of embarassing.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham,gay movie critic at July 10, 2010 11:43 AM (yICYQ)

139 For screwball comedy, it's tough to beat Brain Donors. Early 90s take on the Marx Brothers. The ballet scene is to die for. One of my favorites.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 11:44 AM (9Lm5R)

140 For revenge movies, I would say that the best is the Denzel Washington version of Man On Fire, though it goes a bit weak towards the end. The Scott Glenn version is also excellent.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 11:46 AM (Qp4DT)

141 If you're into the Soldier / Horror thing you must also have seen Dog Soldiers? ...if not, it's also definitely worth a look. Sure, watched it again earlier in the week, for about the umpteenth time. Check out Marshall's next movie, "The Descent". Awesome horror flick.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 11:47 AM (9Lm5R)

142

I watched Rocky again last week. I had forgotten just how good it is. And, by "good" I mean GREAT. The whole story of how he fought to have it made. How his starring role was permitted due to mistaken-identity on the part of the studio (they thought Stallone was Perry King. Egad!) It is really a miracle it was ever made.

But I sure am glad that it was.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:48 AM (NHK5s)

143 And I would add the Sly version of Get Carter, too.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 10, 2010 11:49 AM (Qp4DT)

144

142...

LOVE that movie. He won the Oscar for Training Day but neither that movie, nor Washington's performance, could hold a candle to Creasy or 'Man on Fire'.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:50 AM (NHK5s)

145 Two movies that friends have told me about, but I haven't seen, let me know if you morons also recommend:

The brother from another planet: aliens attack a ghetto, I guess.

A Scanner Darkly, animated something or other.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 11:50 AM (JSghx)

146 Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 03:42 PM

Not awful, Joanie. Just too much stuff in a relatively short film. Not as good as the other Meyer flicks cited; not even up to the standards Meyer set in Mud Honey.

I also rate Chopper Chicks in Zombietown highly. If any Moronette wants to watch that, I'll invite myself over to drink your booze and occasionally erupt in loud howls of laughter.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 10, 2010 11:51 AM (Ulu3i)

147

I can understand where ace is coming from. We need a cheesy film that was never covered by MST3K.

I nominate Death Race 2000, but heck, I'm open to any other options..

_{as long as they don't disagree.}

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:53 AM (6oDXl)

148

Sure, watched it again earlier in the week, for about the umpteenth time. Check out Marshall's next movie, "The Descent". Awesome horror flick.

I'll check it out...getting quite a list out of this thread

Posted by: CanaDave at July 10, 2010 11:53 AM (QY7/i)

149 I also rate Chopper Chicks in Zombietown highly. Martha Quinn!!!!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 11:56 AM (9Lm5R)

150 Progress, you're wrong. Everyone likes The Professional.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 10, 2010 11:58 AM (TGmQa)

151

Actually, another film that is sort of off the radar is "Dark Star". John Carpenters first film, about a screwed up bunch of astronauts who blow up planets.

That could be fun.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 11:58 AM (6oDXl)

152 129 Hot Fuzz is on comedy central right now speaking of good non-box office hit movies.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 10, 2010 03:34 PM (JSghx)

Drop your gun or the ginger nerd gets it!!

Posted by: logprof at July 10, 2010 11:58 AM (BP6Z1)

153

The Descent: I haven't seen it, but perhaps I might. I've read several very good reviews.

BTW, for the best and most entertaining reviews, Pajiba can't be beat. Our dear Agent Bedhead is a contributor there.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 10, 2010 11:59 AM (NHK5s)

154 Progress, you're wrong. Everyone likes The Professional. And a bit of sobering trivia about The Professional....the actor who played Benny was a NY firefighter in his day job, who died in the WTC on 9/11.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:00 PM (9Lm5R)

155 Because I'm a moron I watched a film talked about yesterday called Threads. Good grief. To me it was equally good/nightmarish as The Road and taught me that if I survive a nuclear war the first thing I'll do is kill myself.

Posted by: Annabelle at July 10, 2010 12:01 PM (KuSkz)

156 "I also rate Chopper Chicks in Zombietown highly. Martha Quinn!!!!" Hilarious film. I have a weird thing for Martha Quinn. Not lesbionic, it's just she's really likable.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 10, 2010 12:02 PM (wd0Iq)

157 Perhaps I'm not as discerning as some of you, but I liked The Professional.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 12:03 PM (iRsz4)

158

I watched a film talked about yesterday called Threads. Good grief.Because I'm a moron

Think that's bad? Ever come across a film called "The War Game"? Only about an hour long, and far more depressing.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 12:06 PM (6oDXl)

159 Martha Quinn! *drools*

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 10, 2010 12:07 PM (Ulu3i)

160 I added Dark Star to my queue, thanks guys.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 12:08 PM (xO+6C)

161 Perhaps I'm not as discerning as some of you, but I liked The Professional. Me too. It's the only Natalie Portman performance that's in any way watchable. Personally, I think that the two horsemen of the apocalypse George Lucas and Harvard ruined her.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:09 PM (9Lm5R)

162 Has anyone seen The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 12:12 PM (xO+6C)

163 I added Dark Star to my queue, thanks guys. Fun movie. Just keep in mind that Dark Star is ultra, ultra low budget, more of a student film than studio film. Dan O'Bannon, co-writer of "Alien" is the lead actor. "Alien" was O'Bannon's response to his DS experience, even though the two films don't have THAT much in common.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:15 PM (9Lm5R)

164 Just watched "The Jungle Book" with the boy. (Disney version). He thinks Mowgli was stupid leaving the jungle for a girl. Wolves and bears are much cooler, apparently.

Now we're about to watch the new "Alice In Wonderland"

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at July 10, 2010 12:15 PM (iRsz4)

165

Descent had me climbing the walls over the amazing feel of claustrophobia. That was agonizing! In the dark, no sky above...ACK!

Weird War Tales!!! I was big on the scary comics as a kid. Hated, hated, hated the superheros.

Oh, god, the idiot italics I can't get rid of! Anyway, I read one EERIE that still gives me nightmares, about body parts in a Parisian sewer. SHUDDER!

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 10, 2010 12:16 PM (1kwr2)

166 HH, nope. Haven't seen it. I don't think I could take a film more depressing than either of those two!

Posted by: Annabelle at July 10, 2010 12:18 PM (KuSkz)

167 What was the name of that movie that had the Japanese girl cutting pieces off a guy?

Posted by: davidt at July 10, 2010 12:19 PM (HtIec)

168 Don't watch Boondock Saints. It's bad. Last movie I saw in the theatre was Iron Man 2, which was cool. Last TV movie I watched was... I think a Sci-Fi channel one called Princess of Mars, which was awful, even considering the different perspective you watch Sci-Fi channel movies with because you watch them to see how awful they are. So anyways, I'll recommend the documentary Grizzly Man because there's a surprise ending!

Posted by: yambles at July 10, 2010 12:23 PM (rxaXW)

169 So anyways, I'll recommend the documentary Grizzly Man because there's a surprise ending! The bear is Keyser Soze!!!!!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:25 PM (9Lm5R)

170 Has anyone seen Red Cliff?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 12:26 PM (xO+6C)

171

Posted by: Annabelle at July 10, 2010 04:18 PM (KuSkz)

I've always been a fan (for some reason), of nuclear war films. But if I had to rate them, in descending order, it would be:

"The Day After". (KC, where I live, gets destroyed}

"Threads" (Follows some people in England pre and post nuke}

"The War Game" ( Semi-doc made in the early '60's, about what would happen in a nuclear war. BBC refused to show it on TV).

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 12:27 PM (6oDXl)

172 A Scanner Darkly, animated something or other.

I believe this is your only opportunity to see Winona Ryder's lovely tatas, animated or otherwise.

I thought it was a pretty decent flick.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 10, 2010 12:28 PM (YAFek)

173 I saw the documentary. What was funny is the way the hollywood types initially fawned over him.

Posted by: moi at July 10, 2010 12:29 PM (bjYAr)

174
So anyways, I'll recommend the documentary Grizzly Man because there's a surprise ending!

Posted by: yambles at July 10, 2010 04:23 PM (rxaXW)

Timmy was deeeeee-licious ! However he would have been better with ketchup and maybe a little melted cheese.

Posted by: grizzly bear at July 10, 2010 12:30 PM (t72+4)

175 I believe this is your only opportunity to see Winona Ryder's lovely tatas, animated or otherwise. Didn't she flash her boobies at Anthony Hopkins in Coppola's Dracula film?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:32 PM (9Lm5R)

176 "I've always been a fan (for some reason), of nuclear war films. But if I had to rate them, in descending order, it would be: Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 04:27 PM (6oDXl)" Weirdo. About 12 years ago, I saw in the paper that they were having a special showing of the films of atomic and hydrogen bomb blasts. They had been (may still be) stored in a government bunker disguised as a ranch house in the Hollywood Hills. (no shit!) I was all excited about seeing them. The blasts to me are both beautiful and frightening. Anyway, I couldn't get in. It was by invitation only. Unfair!

Posted by: moi at July 10, 2010 12:34 PM (bjYAr)

177

Weirdo.

That's Me!

Several other films I would recommend. "The Atomic Cafe", and "The Atomic Bomb Movie".

Both documentaries. Quite interesting, if you like the subject.

Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 12:40 PM (6oDXl)

178 A few months back, one of the morons on the ONT linked a documentary of nuclear blast photography from the US, Russia and China. The big finish was the Chinese horse cavalry charge into a nuclear blast zone. Pretty sure that this is it, but the footage is used in a different documentary. http://tinyurl.com/28843ob

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:47 PM (9Lm5R)

179 The Atomic Cafe! That's what I was thinking of.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2010 12:49 PM (9Lm5R)

180 CANNIBAL THE MUSICAL

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 12:50 PM (WZFkG)

181 "I've always been a fan (for some reason), of nuclear war films. But if I had to rate them, in descending order, it would be: Posted by: HH at July 10, 2010 04:27 PM (6oDXl)"

Check out Nightbreaker. It has some pretty awesome footage in it including a disturbing one that tested a blast out on pigs. That bacon got cooked real quick.

Posted by: Blazer at July 10, 2010 12:53 PM (t72+4)

182

The doc is ok. The movie was not totally horrible--it had moments. Not safe for cat lovers. Kitteh gets exploded. Willem Dafoe---wtf? A silly, sly tough gay detective or meh? I'd have to go back and look at his performance. But I have no interest in seeing this thing twice. So, bleh. There is a sequel. I'll skip it.

I liked Dafoe in Antichrist. The movie however, is not safe for those who enjoy feelings of genital safety and well being.

Posted by: TheJane at July 10, 2010 12:56 PM (9Blbi)

183 Mmm. Glowing bacon.

Posted by: homer simpson at July 10, 2010 12:57 PM (7b1Uc)

184 MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN is another good one. Stars Brad Cooper from A-Team and Hangover. Based on a Clive Barker story. Vinnie Jones with a giant hammer.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 12:58 PM (WZFkG)

185 Looking at the top 50 movies of 2009 (2009 because it gives chance for DVD issue) I looked at how many I have actually watched and what I felt about them:

#20 - Harry Potter/Half Blood Prince - I thought it was typical of the later HP stuff, OK but no big deal.

#10 - The Hangover - Note that I didn't buy this or rent it. My neighbor gave it to me when she bought a Blu-Ray by mistake and didn't realize it until it wouldn't play. I thought the movie sucked.

#8 - Star Trek - Spacer battle scenes were awesome. Good movie - probably the best movie of 2009.

$4 - Hurt Locker - OK but no big deal

$2 - Up - Schmaltzy Pixar. The rating group thought it was the best Pixar ever. I give it an OK+

Interesting that out of 50 of the top rated movies I only watched 5.

Not on the list at all

Knowing - Spooky semi-religious SiFi film with spectacular Fx and a sock-o ending. Good movie and second best of 2009 but evidently the critics hated it.

The ratings

http://tinyurl.com/yf9b3md

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2010 12:59 PM (/jbAw)

186 BoonDock Saints was a decent flick.... got some weirdness to it (well Defoe)

Ill take a coke.

Posted by: Grover at July 10, 2010 01:05 PM (cwK4+)

187 186 MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN

For a movie that never did anything in the US box office, well worth a rent.
Have to admit im a bit gay for Vinnie Jones, so ill watch anything hes in.

Posted by: Grover at July 10, 2010 01:09 PM (cwK4+)

188 Sounds fun. I keep meaning to watch the Boondock Saints but haven't yet, probably won't have time to watch till monday evening though.

Posted by: koopy at July 10, 2010 01:19 PM (awinc)

189 174 A Scanner Darkly, animated something or other.

I believe this is your only opportunity to see Winona Ryder's lovely tatas, animated or otherwise.

I thought it was a pretty decent flick.

So Winonas tata's are in Scanner Darkly? I keep trying to watch that and keep falling asleep halfway through so haven't seen them dammit.

Posted by: koopy at July 10, 2010 01:22 PM (awinc)

190

Movie sign! There's movie sign!

5 Million Years From Earth starts on TCM in about 30 minutes.

Awesome movie. Scared the shit out me when I was a kid.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 10, 2010 01:36 PM (/VONQ)

191 I would also recommend Dog Soldiers, as a previous poster had. Great werewolf movie that uses puppets and no cgi(i think). It works because the characters are great and there's a lot of bullets and knives and shit.

Posted by: yambles at July 10, 2010 02:15 PM (rxaXW)

192 Some more "off my rocker" picks... DEVIL'S RAIN - William Shatner, Tom Skerritt, John Travolta, and Ernest Borgnine as satanic priest Corbis. HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER - Rucker at his best. GENTLEMAN BRONCOS - an offbeat comedy about an young aspiring sf writer with great performances by Jemaine Clement and Sam Rockwell. SUKIYAKI WESTERN DJANGO - cause Samurai Cowboys rocks. And because I spit on Your Grave caused such a stir... IRREVERSIBLE with Monica Belluci.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 02:17 PM (WZFkG)

193 I heartily recommend that nobody get Overnight (2003) via the torrents, because that would be wrong.

I'm thinking that Incubus (1966) deserves a group look. By 1967, the three main stars counted one murder-suicide and one regular suicide. The third had become captain of the USS Enterprise. Plus, the entire film is in Esperanto with English subtitles. Yum!

I seem to remember Winona Rider briefly topless in Heathers. Or did I dream that?

Has AoSHQ weighed in on The Human Centipede yet? Chocolatey goodness.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 10, 2010 02:17 PM (a5ljo)

194 ChicagoJedi @182: I second Cannibal, the Musical. You should point out that it's by Parker and Stone, the South Park guys.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 10, 2010 02:21 PM (a5ljo)

195 #196 Definitely worth mentioning. If you like South Park you'll like this. Great songs. BLIND FURY - Rutger Hauer is a blind swordsman. QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER - Stop calling me Sam! ARMED AND DANGEROUS - John Candy and Eugene Levy star in an anti-union film as security guards. Look for a young Meg Ryan too. ROGUE - A decent killer croc movie. CRANK 1 & 2 - the epitome of mindless fun. THANK YOU FOR SMOKING - it somehow leaves you rooting for the tobacco industry and lobbyists. OUTLANDER - Jim Caveizel is a space man who tracks a monster to a Viking settlement on Earth. TAKEN - if you haven't seen it do so. DRAG ME TO HELL - Sam Raimi gets back to horror. MOON - great scifi movie starring Sam Rockwell. A must see. BRONSON - Tom Hardy puts in an amazing performance as a notorious criminal. THE SIGNAL - got lost amongst a lot of crappy but similar titles out that year.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 02:45 PM (WZFkG)

196

Red Cliff is a great movie and available on demand from Netflix. Actually there's more by Johnny Woo there, just as good.

I'm sorry, I thought we wanted revenge movies, that's why I recommended "A Reason to Live, A Reason to Die".

Posted by: nk at July 10, 2010 03:05 PM (0qQFS)

197 "Outland" with Sean Connery. It's "High Noon" on a moon.

Posted by: nk at July 10, 2010 03:07 PM (0qQFS)

198 196 ChicagoJedi @182: I second Cannibal, the Musical. You should point out that it's by Parker and Stone, the South Park guys.

I stumbled across that one, pretty good if you take it as there early work. Big fan of the South Park creators. I liked Boondock Saints also.

Posted by: Meddle Lark at July 10, 2010 03:31 PM (sJUx4)

199

not a big fan of boondocksaints.might want to try one of these out if you want a good indie:

1.the proposition

2.the salton sea

3.archangel

4.spartan

5.way of the gun

Posted by: ichi at July 10, 2010 03:40 PM (JKNMG)

200 I know I'm really late to this, but if anyone is interested, Boondock Saints is playing on IFC within the next couple of days.

Posted by: wiserbud at July 10, 2010 05:38 PM (EW49d)

201 The Saints are way cool. Remaking anyone's conception of anything? Urhm... no. Either way, I can't imagine having picked a more obscure bit of video to review...

Next time: Primer.

Posted by: goy at July 10, 2010 05:47 PM (+Gze8)

202 Great movie, the second not so much.

Posted by: gdonovan at July 10, 2010 07:01 PM (vXUs0)

203 Boondock Saints is a great flick, I'm surprised Ace hasn't seen it.

Posted by: francis at July 10, 2010 07:36 PM (rCMaG)

204 Isn't "Dead Man" the movie that inspired Eric Cartman to say that all indie movies were about gay cowboys eating pudding? If I'm wrong, my apologies in advance.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at July 10, 2010 08:06 PM (I+cd5)

205 Ace, if ANYONE in the world would like "The Boondock Saints" I think you would.

Posted by: steve o at July 10, 2010 08:27 PM (IXYD1)

206 Last recommendation... TIMECRIMES

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 10, 2010 10:05 PM (WZFkG)

207 We had three DVDs in Iraq in '03 on the assault north. Band of Brothers, The Boondock Saints, and Where The Boys Aren't #16. Troy Duffy IS an egotistical asshole, but I was in an infantry squad in the 101st that was VERY proud of being mostly Irish. We must have watched that movie fifty fucking times since '01. We wanted to change our call sign to "Saints" but got told no.

One of our guard towers on our camp in Mosul had the entire McManus family prayer on the wall, and I know a guy who claimed he got all the way through it before he pulled the trigger on an insurgent with an RPG. It's one of those movies that either you get it or you don't.

"Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish". Sort of describes my view of fundamentalist Islam.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 10, 2010 10:21 PM (1lzGl)

208 Overnight is on IFC at 3:35am central time, on Comcast in Houston.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 10, 2010 10:40 PM (xO+6C)

209

Liked the Saints, but the sequel was crap. As someone above stated, the slapstick BS ruined the movie.

The Salton Sea is a good movie, but slow.

Man on Fire--excellent movie.

Hot Fuzz, very good movie.

Law Abiding Citizen is another very good movie.

Posted by: Hard Right at July 11, 2010 03:50 AM (8tdHZ)

210 The guy was a narcissistic douchebag. What else to say but what the hell were they thinking when Miramax thought this guy was genious?

Posted by: Svenster at July 11, 2010 09:17 AM (hauCN)