1 I read that the big 3 insurers here- BCBS, Tufts and Harard Pilgrim are all "non-profits" and spend 88 cents of every premium dollar on direct medical costs.  Obamacare require 81 cents.  They are already paying more than what will be required and guess what - it doesn't work.  People would rather pay the fine for not having insurance.  Find out they need a knee replacement- no problem opt in, get surgyer paid for, pt, rehab and then drop out.  Continue to pay the fine until you "need" health care again.  And that's just tip of the iceberg ...

2 Can't wait until this goes nation-wide.

3

If Massachusetts says the rates are unreasonable, then it must be true and all you Howie Carr fans at WKRO in Boston should just sit down and shut the fuck up.  They know what's best for you, and all the jaw-boning from conservative talkers like Limbaugh and Ingraham won't change their opinion. So there.

4 This will not end well.

5 I did not haz healthcare with that state.

6 A government you lobby to empower itself to force people to be your customers is also powerful enough to take them away. Buy more politicians next time.

7 I won.  Shut up. 

8 How does this help Curt Schilling?

9 now times this by 50

10 @8

Never heard of him.

11
Let's play a game. The Insurance companies in Mass who are suing the commonwealth people's republic are suing on the grounds the governor's action is 'arbitrary.'

What other words are there other than arbitrary to describe what Gov Devil Patrick is doing?

12 10 @8

Never heard of him.

Posted by: Martha Coakley at April 08, 2010 12:06 PM (Kn9r7)

Hey, he was my favorite White Sox player.

13

No matter how horrific the health care system in Massachusetts becomes, it is a miniscule example of what happens when Obama care is running at full speed.

The bureaucratic booger-pickers in Washington will be deciding your fate, and there is not one thing you can do about it.  You won't even know the name of the person so you can send a Hallmark 'fuck you' card to thank the asshole for denying you treatment. 

 

 

14 even Kalifornia isn't this dumb. wait...passing off budget problems from the state to private companies? maybe Kalifornia isn't this smart.

15 Chaos.

16
btw, and somewhat related...

Rush's best words of wisdom yesterday: "Obama does not govern, he rules."
Rule by decree. The Democrats = Weimar Republic

17 @14
California is this dumb.  Don't underestimate the stupidity of this state government in Sacramento.

18 Yeah, see here's the thing though (and why it's borderline fucking impossible to defend the big insurance companies) - according to the Boston Globe-Democrat this morning the state's largest insurer (Blue-Cross) and 3rd largest (Tufts) folded like cheap cases yesterday and decided to go along with Barry Junior's edict on offering coverage at last year's prices. So on Wednesday they're all going to go under if they don't get their 15% premium, but Thursday it's "Play Ball". They all. Fucking. Suck. And ObamaCare is going to be worse. Awesome.

19

15 Chaos.

Thanks for stealing my tagline, April O' Neal.

Ditto though.

20 What they obviously are in dire need of is some real regulation, something like an unelected overweight person in a swivel chair making 6 figures who comes to work late and goes home early, to decide who gets what, and for how much, and to determine what everyone else gets paid to do it, or not do it. That would fix everything. And to have whole armies of people like that, well, that would be heaven.

21 California sucks so bad that I'm looking forward to Basic Training in Missouri.

No shit.

22
btw II, it's nice to see a lauraw post. They are few ad far between, these days. I miss you, my little babushka.

23 There was a lesson from the only part of old ShrillaryCare that made it through in 1993 - the childhood vaccination program and the federal government takeover of vaccinations merely by taking over some of the responsibilities in this area and purchasing vaccinations in bulk.  The federal government started making extra demands with their great power as the largest purchaser, drove the vaccination industry in to the ground - there were something like 25 vaccine producing companies pre-Shrillary, but that was reduced to 2 after less than a decade of the federal government making all sorts of dictates as to what they would buy, and eventually, we have gotten ourselves to a point where vaccines cannot be produced quickly or intelligently, which is why we are always woefully short of vaccines for every little sniffle that the federal government determines is the reincarnation of the black death.

There was also KikiCare in Hawaii, which only lasted for something like 8 months before burning through every cent authorized for it and going belly up.  That was, as with the ShrillaryCare idiocy above, only about providing children's health insurance. 

But ... too late for all this. The Washington junta has declared that "all boys who under 16 years old, are now ... 16 years old," and that is that.

24

The money quote from the article:

“This violates the basic tenet of health-care reform,” said Brian Rosman of the advocacy group Health Care for All. “And the innocent victims are the people who are trying to get insurance for their families.”

/WASF, chaos, does it matter what the precise name of the end is anymore?

25

Lack of choice under state-mandated health insurance program?

I is confused???  How am that possible???  I told that state-mandated health insurance increase choice!

26

California sucks so bad that I'm looking forward to Basic Training in Missouri.

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 12:14 PM (F9NPo)

California doesn't suck, because this advertisement told me so. 

27 Hey!  Where's my free Obamacare??

28 Hey Kratos!
I have been remiss in my duties, therefore I decree our agreement shall extend till the day after the MS Walk, April 25th.

So it is written, so it is done.

_{BTW those twats, Brad & Dianne, or whatever their names are, think I'm a ghey man.  Ha!}

29 My co-blogger has an interesting take on this, tying in rate increases and union thuggery: http://tinyurl.com/yej5a9t

30 Just filling in for you, in case you couldn't make it, Kratos. 

31 _{BTW those twats, Brad & Dianne, or whatever their names are, think I'm a ghey man.  Ha!}

Posted by: mpfs at April 08, 2010 12:17 PM (iYbLN)

Well, I never believed you to be ghey.  You may be bad to hold one in your mouth but I don't think you would suck on it. 

32

29 Thanks mpfs.  I already have weapons for defense, but that isn't doing to dissuade you from your self-imposed duties. 

/What fools they are.

33
1) ever notice how Fish has the ncanny knack to work in something a blowjobs in all his posts?
2) shouldn't Fish and Mrs Paul's Fish Sticks be mortal enemies?

34 Let's play a game. The Insurance companies in Mass who are suing the commonwealth people's republic are suing on the grounds the governor's action is 'arbitrary.'

What other words are there other than arbitrary to describe what Gov Devil Patrick is doing?

Posted by: Baboo

unexpected

acting stupidly

well within normal parameters for the average Democrat

35 [Looks at Tarot Cards...]

I see...
The system must fail.
The Cloward–Piven strategy
creates a Meta-Crisis;
a socioeconomic disaster beyond measure. . .
BRAAAIIINS!!!!

Wha? Huh? Where am I?

36 1) ever notice how Fish has the ncanny knack to work in something a blowjobs in all his posts?
2) shouldn't Fish and Mrs Paul's Fish Sticks be mortal enemies?

Posted by: Baboo

No, no they aren't. If you knew the reason, you'd never eat another fish stick.

37

31 Just filling in for you, in case you couldn't make it, Kratos. 

No worries.  I actually should be doing something constructive, but I can't resist watching this trainwreck.  Very macabre.

38

CNBC is getting all happy days right now. 50 trillion debt? Whoopety-doo!

I guess they got Immelt's email.

39 So on Wednesday they're all going to go under if they don't get their 15% premium, but Thursday it's "Play Ball".

Next week when they're forced to close down, they never have to beg permission from the gov't again.  Worked for Catholic Charities.

40 21  It must be the suck if you're looking forward to Leonard Weeds.

41
I was thinking outrageous, or arrogant, or dictatorial.

42

A Message From The Future

The future's right now.

43
Are you trying to tell me there's no Fish in fish sticks?

44 ever notice how Fish has the ncanny(sic) knack to work in something a (sic)blowjobs in all his posts?

Posted by: Baboo (from the Jeannie Cartoon) at April 08, 2010 12:22 PM (W9XyJ)

I've never noticed that phenomenon, but I defer to your special post monitoring and blowjob notation skills.  Were you the little fat kid who was a school crossing guard?

 

 

45 Hey! Hey! Our Weimar Republic 2.0 will summon in centuries of prosperity and peace for all! We're unstoppa--

46 And California is the state that loves Obambalamps the most.

In Soviet Kalifornia, we now have special mini-vans (hybrid of course) that drive around Burbank giving tickets to anyone that waters their lawn on the wrong day.

In a few years, the IRS will be enforcing eco-laws too. They already got the Obamacare SS gig.

I'm glad my Dad didn't live to see this. I'm pretty fucking sure that this isn't why he enlisted and fought in Vietnam and worked himself to death when he got back. So that some child -like commie cocksuckers could micromanage every instant of our lives from cradle to grave.

Call the Obambalamps, I'm getting a migraine.

47 What other words are there other than arbitrary to describe what Gov Devil Patrick is doing?

Posted by: Baboo

unexpected

acting stupidly

well within normal parameters for the average Democrat

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 08, 2010 12:22 PM (R2fpr)

Made them a deal that they couldn't refuse.

48

Massachusetts has a "Health Connector Authority.

It's called "The Commonwealth Connector" - sounds like a highway ... highway to fiscal hell.

49 I was wondering how the MA plan was going to interface with the congressional plan.

It was my thinking that the federal plan would now take over the MA plan because of federal supremacy.

50 Weesa gonna die?

51 This year, because they don't like rate increases by Insurance Companies, they have dropped the companies they will recommend to - one company. It's almost as if the Massachusett(e)s ruling authority wanted single payer, or something.

52 Are you trying to tell me there's no Fish in fish sticks?

Posted by: Baboo

 

Oh, there's fish in there all right........It's how it gets in there that scares me. Hint: remember what you've been noticing about those posts?

53 The problem is that the goverment is not directly running the health insurance. We need to get rid of the inefficient private bureacratic middleman and let the goverment directly run the insurance. The reduction in middle man will reduce costs.

54 It's all in good fun Fish.  I luv ya.

55 Weesa gonna die?

No no no no Jar Jar

We'll be re-educated,  enslaved, and worked to death first.

56 I find this thread to be anti-Mormon.

57 @54 It is obvious, is it not?

58 And yet Patrick is leading in a poll I saw.  Yep, the people should re-hire this guy.  Soon there will only be takers in MA.  And they will wonder what happened.

59
wow that's a real head-scratcher...

60 I did not haz healthcare with that state.

I laughed so hard someone asked me why.  I didn't even try to explain. 

61

I was wondering how the MA plan was going to interface with the congressional plan.

It was my thinking that the federal plan would now take over the MA plan because of federal supremacy.

Watching the two pieces of crap fighting each other could make for a cool B movie. Or even a solid B+ movie. Ray Harryhausen could make stop motion bureaucratic monsters battling (stupidly) to the death.

 

"It Came From Beyond its' Budget"

62
Patrick is leading with 35% because the (R) and right-of-center (I) are splitting the rest with about 25% each.

63 Dad was at Leonard Wood. I thought I'd just follow in his footsteps with combat engineer and see if I can hack it. I'll be 15 years older than he was when he enlisted at 23, but why quibble about fear and doubt? Plus Dad was made from granite and left -over parts from a Sherman tank and I'm built like Dean Venture. But why worry?

At least there isn't a war on like there was in '66.

Obama and Biden said everything is cool now. Whew! Woot. Peace rulez!

64 Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 12:30 PM (F9NPo) Noticed the signs in Calabasas? It's illegal to smoke. Anywhere, apparently. Not on the sidewalk, not on the street, not inside a building, of course. It's a short stretch now to having hybrid mini-vanned eco-cops busting down doors of private homes under the pretense of "public health hazards."

65 The Kennedy family destroyed Massachusetts.

66 even a solid B+ movie.

The romantic comedy...

When Bloat met Deficit

67

Hey! I've got a great idea.

Let's nominate Romney for president in 2012!

68 If the Nov. election doesn't result in these things, at a minimum, we're done.

1.  50+ House gain
2.  7-9 Senate gain
3.  Stupak gone--the poster boy for hypocrisy of the left, if not now, then never
4.  Reid ousted

If these things don't happen, we're done. (Even with these, the R's better gain a sac or we're still done)  If these things don't happen, the only things that would "save" us would be events so catastrophic as to not be talked about in polite company.
 

69 I welcome our new Overlords, as long as they have a Sam Adams tap in the ambalamps.

70 @65
Yeah but a convicted sex offender can live on your street, rape and murder your daughter/son and it's all good in California.

The smoking menace is worse than child molester/rapists/murderers in this state.

71 I think I am tipping over and capsize n. roflmao

72 This paves the way for some emergency legislation: single-payer, national health care. That's the end game here. Woo-hoo! Skittles for everyone!

73 Noticed the signs in Calabasas? It's illegal to smoke. Anywhere, apparently. Not on the sidewalk, not on the street, not inside a building, of course. It's a short stretch now to having hybrid mini-vanned eco-cops busting down doors of private homes under the pretense of "public health hazards."

It's Bizarro world: while you can't hardly legally use tobacco in the state, with an official state agency with a mission to end it's use all together, Marijuana on the other hand....

74

O/T

Rush just stated that in some states dead beat dads who no longer participate in a childÂ’s life are eligible for the EITC, Earned Income Tax Credit. 

Makes me happy I worked my butt off for 60 years so the miscreants can benefit from my labor while then sit on their ass, toke weed, drink beer, smoke crack, and father more bastards.  Ain't America grand?

 

 

75 The reduction in middle man will reduce costs.

As will refusing to treat the useless.

76 @71 Try using that website that shows the locations of convicted sex offenders, and peek at Long Beach. It's perv central down there, and pretty bad in just about any metropolitan Klownifornia neighborhood with many apartment buildings vs. houses.

77 Yeah but a convicted sex offender can live on your street, rape and murder your daughter/son and it's all good in California.

And you intolerant winger assholes want to take away their state-funded Viagra!  Fascists!!

78 San Diego Earthquake now!

79 It would make a perfect photograph if one of the medical marijuana storefronts were located in Calabasas right next to one of their "No Smoking" signs. This state is so utterly screwed.

80 Hey, its a rousing success, of which I am so proud!  That snowbilly Palin could never deliver "policy" like I can!  She needs to hit the books.

81

If the Nov. election doesn't result in these things, at a minimum, we're done.

1.  50+ House gain
2.  7-9 Senate gain
3.  Stupak gone--the poster boy for hypocrisy of the left, if not now, then never
4.  Reid ousted

If these things don't happen, we're done. (Even with these, the R's better gain a sac or we're still done)  If these things don't happen, the only things that would "save" us would be events so catastrophic as to not be talked about in polite company.
 

Posted by: The Hammer at April 08, 2010 12:41 PM (YBTwf)

I'm waiting for Romney to be the GOP nominee in 2012.

We are so screwed.

82

Rush just stated that in some states dead beat dads who no longer participate in a childÂ’s life are eligible for the EITC, Earned Income Tax Credit. 

Makes sense. They're honoring Teh One's "Dad".

83

70 I welcome our new Overlords, as long as they have a Sam Adams tap in the ambalamps.

Sam Adams has been deemed "not good" and anything not "good" is "bad", hence illegal.

 

84 64  Have fun -- at least you're not going when it's chilly.  You may end up working with one of my kids when you get stationed.

85 4.5 and one minute later 5.5 aftershocks.  This has to stop sometime.

86 Why the long faces, people? I've got it all under control. Right now I'm in momentous meetings with deep pocket donors; carefully tended relationships nurtured with just the right kind of lubrication. Perhaps lubrication wasn't the right word to use there, but look, I prevent you guys from looking like a Nazi Party rally, right? Gimme some margin of error here.

87

86 4.5 and one minute later 5.5 aftershocks.  This has to stop sometime.

They were expecting this kind of activity several days after the SoCal earthquake, right?

88 Papa?  Papa?

89 I try not to notice anything in Calab-ass-ass so I can stay out of jail.  The commie is strong in that town.

Far too many Lexuseses and Mercedeses with "war is not the answer" and "coexist" stickers on them. Inevitably some leathery old whore with fake tits and skin that looks like beef jerky and enough diamonds dripping off her to choke a dozen donkeys  will get out of the peace-mobile and saunter into a boutique that would call the cops on anyone without a AAA credit rating.

90 4.5 and one minute later 5.5 aftershocks. This has to stop sometime. The best thing for Klownifornia would be ending it with a 9.5. And I live there.

91 Yeah but these were within 1 minute of each other.  The building was rolling.

92 Missouri Lt. Gov. Kinder(R) to sue Feds over Health Care Bill over objections of Dem. Gov. and A.G.

Good on Lt. Gov. Kinder. Dems. Gov. Nixon and A.G. Kostner can go get stuffed, at least somebody is listening to their bosses.

Anybody who thinks that this health care bill is good for America either hasn't bothered to see past their own selfish, "FREE STUFF! GIMME SOME!" attitude or is being willingly obtuse about it. Somebody has to pay for it and it ain't gonna be the almost 50% of the country who have no tax liability.

Part of the bill will be laid at the feet of those who will have their Social Security and Medicare cut, and part will come from those who bust their humps to earn a living just to see some of it forcibly taken away to given to the "GIMMIE's".

But the best part will be when they institute the VAT, or Value Added Tax to make up the trillions of dollars this sham will cost. Because then even the "GIMMIE's" will have to pay their share everytime they buy ANYTHING!! Then the howling will ensue.

And that howling will be music to the ears of everyone tired of seeing their hard earned money being pissed away on "Feel Good" B.S. social programs and it will be the silver lining to the cloud.

93 I guess people are too stupid to recognize cheaper premiums on their own so mommy has to come to their rescue.

94 Again, another excellent post.

We don't have to guess about where the nation is heading with health insurance costs - and we know who to blame.

Mitt Romney created the conditions in Massachusetts that led to ObamaCare being passed here as a "labratory experiment." That helped Democrats hone the political message they would need to enact it federally.

Results: A huge failure - enabled by a Republican.

RomneyCare has - like mandatory car insurance - guaranteed massive institutionalized rate increases year after year after year. Massachusetts residents now pay the highest health insurance premiums in the state. Insurers have requested double-digit rate increases and have suspending writing any new health insurance policies until they get those increases.

And to deal with the costs, the state of Massachusetts has been removing people eligible to receive care (via death panel). They're actually cutting people off from receiving care ... but they use the state IRS to mandate insurance purchases. It's absolutely the worst of both possible worlds.

And Mitt signed this. Worked with Democrats to make it happen.

Mitt Romney has a lot of explaining to do about why he would have signed such a bill. I think his Mormon upbringing played a large role in why he decided to cross the aisle (McCain-like) and work with the Democrats to enact the Democrats' legislative initiatives. And I think he would do that as President - just as McCain probably would have.

We don't have to wonder how Mitt Romney would govern ... we can see it in his actions as Governor of Massachusetts. He would work with the Democrats to enact their legislation and he would sign their tax bills.

So, if you want the Democrats' legislation enacted - if you want massive tax increases ... then the thing to do is to get behind the Mitt Romney campaign for President. But if you prefer a more conservative agenda ... then you have to ensure that Mitt Romney doesn't get the nomination. You have to defeat Mitt Romney first and foremost.

Being a Republican has to mean something different than being a Democrat. Or the Republican Party doesn't deserve to continue to exist and the migration to a Tea Party will accelerate.

95 ...some leathery old whore with fake tits and skin that looks like beef jerky and enough diamonds dripping off her to choke a dozen donkeys will get out of the peace-mobile and saunter into a boutique that would call the cops on anyone without a AAA credit rating. Ah, you know my wife?

96 Was that an earthquake in San Diego? Or did those pandas finally start fucking?

97

 Barack Obama - Greatest White Sox fan evah

RACIST, BOY!

98 PANDA WATCH!!!!!

99 In a few years, the IRS will be enforcing eco-laws too.

But on the upside this will cause a "unexpected" drop in unemployment as they have to hire more agents to fill this obvious need.  All hail the green gestapo!

Call the Obambalamps, I'm getting a migraine.

Patience my friend.  All is not yet lost.  I think were all in for quite the surprise this November. 

100

94 I guess people are too stupid to recognize cheaper premiums on their own so mommy has to come to their rescue.

This violates the basic tenet of health-care reform.  And the innocent victims are the people who are trying to get insurance for their families.

101 You're fucked. Also, avoid Chinese canned tuna, you'll thank me later.

102

...some leathery old whore with fake tits and skin that looks like beef jerky and enough diamonds dripping off her to choke a dozen donkeys will get out of the peace-mobile and saunter into a boutique that would call the cops on anyone without a AAA credit rating.

Sounds like what happens here does not stay here

103 Was that an earthquake in San Diego? Or did those pandas finally start fucking?
Posted by: sifty

It felt like rhinos were fucking.

104 Laura W - show us your tits.

105

97 Was that an earthquake in San Diego? Or did those pandas finally start fucking?

They were capsizing Cali?  How big are these pandas?

106 Far too many Lexuseses and Mercedeses with "war is not the answer"

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 12:54 PM (F9NPo)

That's rich.  Driving axis power autos while decrying war. LOL.

Liberals are just too funny.  I just wish someone would get them back in their sandbox, where they can't hurt anyone with their idiocy.

107

Was Ted on Mass's insurance?

108 Laura W - still waiting.

109

108 Was Ted on Mass's insurance?

Congresscriters have their own separate health coverage, methinks.

110 I will kill you until you die from it!

111 It might have been RINOs humping. Where are McCain and Huckabee today?

112 Congresscriters have their own separate health coverage, methinks.

And his family is worth how much?  Stashed overseas so it's not taxed?  He was able to get anything a Congressplan wouldn't cover (ha!).

113 The best thing for Klownifornia would be ending it with a 9.5. And I live there.

I have a friend who lives in LA who mentioned last night that she watches LA get annihilated in 2012 over and over because it brings her such joy.  My plot to get her to move to Houston so that I have somewhere to stay when I move there is proceeding apace. 

114 someguy at April 08, 2010 12:56 PM (VRJIW)

Troll Troll!
^{Punching in every direction, even the imaginary ones.}

115 I guess people are too stupid to recognize cheaper premiums on their own so mommy has to come to their rescue.

You need to stop being all logical and stuff.  That's mean dontcha know. 

116 sickinmass - I read the one comment that starts with "I agree everyone has a right to be healthy".  Ummm.  What?  So now Obama is going to outlaw disease?  That's pretty damn spiffy. 

117 The old bootlegger Kennedys have so much money stashed in Swiss banks, cellars, and ways a simple bumpkin like me can't dream of.

The only reason these limousine liberals want universal health care is so they can have a permanent source of healthy servants to keep the infrastructure running while they tan.

118 "I agree everyone has a right to be healthy".  Ummm.  What?  So now Obama is going to outlaw disease?

Maybe it's like the right to bear arms--offer not valid in all areas, restrictions will apply.

119

#113  And his family is worth how much?  Stashed overseas so it's not taxed?  He was able to get anything a Congressplan wouldn't cover (ha!).

Good point, dirt-stealing Radish, but do you really think Teddy didn't bilk the Congressional plan as much as he could?  More money for booze...

120 sickinmass:

I am now stupider for having listened to that. And I started out pretty simple.

121 message from the future.................well, we haaaaaad to doooooooooooo something!

122 Yeah, I called them. But it was a crank call.

123

118 sickinmass - I read the one comment that starts with "I agree everyone has a right to be healthy".  Ummm.  What?  So now Obama is going to outlaw disease?  That's pretty damn spiffy. 

To not outlaw disease violates the basic tenet of health-care reform. It's not fair that some people are beset with disease and disability even while in the womb!  It's not fair that people get old and wrinkly and fat!  It's all the insurance companies' fault! 

124 Brian Rosman is so fucking compassionate that he is willing to spend every dime you have to fix this problem.

125

message from the future....thanks for f'ing everything up.........and the whole barack thing? were you high?

126 SkyNet was the least of your worries.

127 This means that no one gets anything, just like the class action lawsuit settlements that come in the mail.

128 And now, a Message from the Past:

Why Did Rome Fall?

There are adherents to single factors, but more people think a combination of such factors as Christianity, decadence, lead, monetary trouble, and military problems caused the Fall of Rome. Imperial incompetence and chance could be added to the list. Even the rise of Islam is proposed as the reason for Rome's fall, by some who think the Fall of Rome happened at Constantinople in A.D. 1453.

Wheeee! Looks like the only thing that we have to look forward to is the lead poisoning!

129
Houston so that I have somewhere to stay when I move there is proceeding apace. 


Hell Alex, you can crash on my couch if Plan A falls through.  As long as you know how to load magazines and which end of the rifle goes *bang*.

130   119 The old bootlegger Kennedys have so much money stashed in Swiss banks, cellars, and ways a simple bumpkin like me can't dream of   Teddy Kennedy, the fat, drunk, melon-headed, moronic, murdering, serial sex offender made a big stand against eliminating inheritance taxes...   ...but the Kennedy crime family trust is set up in Fiji

131 China is helping us with our lead deficiency with those toys.

132 Brian Rosman is so fucking compassionate that he is willing to spend every dime you have to fix this problem.

He's a liberal. He assumes that if you've had even a modicum of success in life, you screwed someone less fortunate to get there.

133

It's almost as if a bunch of leftists who don't understand or even want to understand economics are making really big economic policies.

P.S.:   This definitely DOES NOT help, you know who.

134 i'm pretty sure that if we have health insurance or don't have health insurance...we will die.....

135 Looks like the only thing that we have to look forward to is the lead poisoning!

And the Global Cooling.  Krakatoa, Redoubt, what's the difference?

136 I take issue with the assertion that I screwed the unfortunate to get what I have.

I consider everyone I ever screwed to be very fortunate.

137

VOTE FOR DEVAL PATRICK!

He needs a new car...

138 Wheeee! Looks like the only thing that we have to look forward to is the lead poisoning!

If you fail your re education program the lead poisoning will be high velocity.

139

I'm curious how the low-bidding insurance companies are staying profitable or at least treading water.  Is this a matter of low overhead, operating at a loss, or being dicks about paying claims? 

As far as I know, only Medicare has the advantage of simply not paying a valid claim (or making partial payment).  Is that advantage being farmed out to other companies now? 

140 The problem with this planning is that it's not central enough.

How can you expect incompetent state government to regulate something as large and expansive as a state-wide insurance program?

This calls for Federal Incompetence!

141 This is exactly why we should have nominated Mitt Romney.

That rat bastard McCain ruined everything with his lousy campaign and such...

He's no great American.....

142 OT, but I hear that Bush, Cheney and Rove have five major hurricanes planned for this season.

143

Damn!  You would think you were reading a story of one of the major papers in the U.S. under a Republican administration.

http://tinyurl.com/y89v9r2

I guess the left is the left and there is nothing to be done for it...

except to vigorously oppose it and expose their cancerous ideology.

144 118 sickinmass - I read the one comment that starts with "I agree everyone has a right to be healthy".  Ummm.  What?  So now Obama is going to outlaw disease?  That's pretty damn spiffy. 

Posted by: alexthechick at April 08, 2010 01:06 PM

It's also Queef Uberdouche's first line in his manifesto "The War on Death"

145 is it just me or do we all agree that the health authority has done such a good job at narrowing down the one insurance company that is good enough to do business with that they are no longer necessary as an entity......they've worked themselves out of work....

146 You forgot to say that this was "unexpected".

147

If you fail your re education program the lead poisoning will be high velocity

B+

148

You know who this helps?

Mitt Rom...wait, never mind.  Nonstory! Nonstory!  Nothing to see here everybody!  Move along!

149

Census troubles:   

Placing a cap on costs if immigrants try to evade the count, the response plan notes that a census worker will attempt to visit a home six times at most - or fewer, if a resident makes clear he won't cooperate - before the worker questions neighbors to get the information. If that fails, the Census Bureau will statistically impute data based on characteristics of neighboring households.

In 2000, imputation, ... increased the U.S. population by 1.1 million, particularly among urban racial minorities who would have been missed by a head count.

imputation - cool word

150 OT, but I hear that Bush, Cheney and Rove have five major hurricanes planned for this season.

When?  Where? 

151

L.A. County Health Inspector: I'm here to inspect your donuts grope you

152 This means that no one gets anything, just like the class action lawsuit settlements that come in the mail.

No, no, no, the lawyers get paid and that's the really important part. 

153 In 2000, imputation, ... increased the U.S. population by 1.1 million, particularly among urban racial minorities who would have been missed by a head count. In 2010, imputation will increase heavily democrat district populations by 3000%.

154 The census can get in the "kiss my ass" line with the rest.

155 L.A. County Health Inspector: I'm here to "inspect your donuts" (grope you) So that's what the kids call it nowadays.

156 Maybe we can impute a few more deductions and dependents for ourselves on our taxes?

If they can make shit up, why can't we?

157 At least LauraW never has to worry about Gabe "inspecting her donuts."

158
I'll feel more optimistic about the GOP taking the House when I hear chatter about so-called blue dogs mulling over switching to the Republican party.

159 “This violates the basic tenet of health-care reform,” said Brian Rosman of the advocacy group Health Care for All. “And the innocent victims are the people who are trying to get insurance for their families.”

Isn't HCA the same as HCAN and a branch of SEIU/ACORN?

160 151 imputation - cool word
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It wasn't that cool when Billy Jeff tried to tax imputed income. Buying a house because it's cheaper than renting? Well, that money you're saving would have been imputed income eligible for taxation.

161 I'd feel more optimistic about taking the House and Senate if Tom Coburn would pull his tongue out of Nancy Pelosi's ass.

162
Someone should tell Brian cocksucker Rosman that still calling it insurance violates the basic tenets of the English language.

You can't go and redefine shit whenever you feel it like.

163

Authorities in Mexico said Thursday that they have found the body of a Los Angeles woman, according to the Associated Press. The AP also reported that her husband has been detained as a suspect.

Monica Beresford-Redman, wife of "Survivor" producer Bruce Beresford-Redman, was on vacation with her family, staying at the Moon Palace Hotel in Cancun.

Is it too soon to say "ironic"

164
You can't go and redefine shit whenever you feel it like.

Haven't been paying attention lately, eh?

165 Blue Dog Democrats switching parties is simply the act of rats learning to swim after they notice the ship is sinking.

Let's just all call them Snowe-Collins Democrats.

166 I think Nancy Pelosi is a nice lady and so is Harry Reid.

167 Linda Douglass (former report with ABC, I think) who joined WH as spokesperson for Obamacare has resigned. Wonder why ?  Maybe she's going to CNN with David Schuster.

168 Um...I never thought those pictures would be found by the DNC.

169
true, but it's a good indicator of things to come in November.

Political survival being a critter's #1 priority, and all. I'm just looking for signs that support Dick Morris' prediction.

170 163 I'd feel more optimistic about taking the House and Senate if Tom Coburn would pull his tongue out of Nancy Pelosi's ass.

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 01:37 PM (F9NPo)

If you've got your tongue up Nancy Pelosi's ass, you can keep your tongue up Nancy Pelosi's ass.

171

Karl..who at times can be sort of inciteful..has a completely idiotic post over at Hotair titled "Could the GOP Have Pre-empted ObamaCare"....it really is painfully stupid...but the kicker is his sub-head..

Some influential bloggers seem to think so, including Ed Morrissey

172 ooops..insightful

173 Another slow news day.

174 169 Linda Douglass (former report with ABC, I think) who joined WH as spokesperson for Obamacare has resigned. Wonder why ?  Maybe she's going to CNN with David Schuster.

Really??..Link??

175 Wait,

Didn't the Three Stooges - Slappy, Blinky, and Harry, tell us, when everyone is mandated to buy insurance, the cost of health care would decrease?

Who knew?

176

Sam Adams has been deemed "not good" and anything not "good" is "bad", hence illegal.

I think you mean "ungood".

177
Yet it shouldn't be a slow news day what with Obama over in Prague making us less safe, and all. That stupid treaty Obama signed is one of the worst and most harmful blunders of his term.

178 wooo, fox news shows all time approval low for odumbass at 43%.  Ball dippin.

179 @175

There's this:
War on Interns

'Should do wonders for engineering students and start-ups. 

180

HA is the #3 blog at wikio. I've said on the message board to ace, that if he put at the top of his website a portal, like HA has, then his website would get a lot more casual traffic.

Of couse, someone would have to update it constantly

181

Really??..Link??

RE Linda Douglas - don't know how to do the link

National Review Online - The Corner

http://corner.nationalreview.com

182 Just because you have been following her career for twenty years through a series of evil, wrong, and down-right communist votes and she has a cult-like control over a mass of suicidally ignorant voters, don't let Fox News sway you.

She's a nice lady.

I'm sure she likes to look at kittens while she eats a baby and raises taxes.

ps: Never screw a Thai tranny hooker on a junket and get filmed doing it. The DNC always finds the film eventually.

183 Linda Douglas story at NRO

184 Healthcare bill at 38% among independents.

Hope. Change.

185 Romney needs to say either the studies we did were wrong, and it was a mistake, or what we did was good, but it was larded up after I left, and that's why it's bad.

Either way, if Romney runs in 2012, he is going to have a tough time.  I don't quite understand where he is coming from on this issue.

186 @182

I agree.

Frankly, so many of us are funemployed, I think we could all pitch in and help with the news updates. 

The other thing I'd suggest is specializing a bit, tapping into the expertise of the morons.  We could kick HA ass on science/technology and military stuff. 

187 Message from the future... I'll double-post sometime today.

188

Romney needs to say either the studies we did were wrong, and it was a mistake, or what we did was good, but it was larded up after I left, and that's why it's bad.

Either way, if Romney runs in 2012, he is going to have a tough time.  I don't quite understand where he is coming from on this issue.

dude, he is the front runner. He is not only going to run, he is in the process of running right now.

I can say with almost certainty that Mitt Romney will be the Republican candidate in 2012. And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

We are fucked. We truly are.

189 Romney should say an overwhelming majority of the people of Massachusetts wanted a state run health care program, unlike the rest of America today.

190 Can we make this an open thread?  I'm bored.  _{entertain me, dance you monkeys!}

Is garrett here?  I'd like to discuss what to do with pheasant breasts. 

191 191 Romney should say an overwhelming majority of the people of Massachusetts wanted a state run health care program, unlike the rest of America today.

Yes.  And emphasize that it was done at the state level.  He's said this, but it doesn't seem to be getting picked up. 

192 I've got a job waiting for my graduation
Fifty thou a year -- buys a lot of beer
Things are going great, and they're only getting better
I'm doing all right, getting good grades
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades
I gotta wear shades

193
I wish Rudy would run for something...anything. There's a Senate seat in NY that's his for the taking, I believe. And Rudy'd be a lock for governor, too. Be a shame to blow those opportunities.

194 190

Romney needs to say either the studies we did were wrong, and it was a mistake, or what we did was good, but it was larded up after I left, and that's why it's bad.

Either way, if Romney runs in 2012, he is going to have a tough time.  I don't quite understand where he is coming from on this issue.

dude, he is the front runner. He is not only going to run, he is in the process of running right now.

I can say with almost certainty that Mitt Romney will be the Republican candidate in 2012. And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

We are fucked. We truly are.

Posted by: Ben at April 08, 2010 01:52 PM (wuv1c)

I'd take a bet that Romney won't be the nominee. Remember when Hillary was the shoo-in. McCain was almost out of it. Usually the front-runner is toast.

195 And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

It won't be Huckabee.  Too many sane, rich people in the GOP to let that happen. 

196

Gabe just tweeted: NASA saying 71 ft asteroid will pass inside the moon's orbit and past us this afternoon: http://is.gd/bknKB

Bad news: It's going to miss us

197

I can say with almost certainty that Mitt Romney will be the Republican candidate in 2012. And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

We are fucked. We truly are.

I will lay a grand out in the open...RIGHT NOW in front of everyone that it will be neither.

Is it a bet?

198

Gabe just tweeted: NASA saying 71 ft asteroid will pass inside the moon's orbit and past us this afternoon: http://is.gd/bknKB

Dammit Unclefacts, quit half-assing it.

199 Gabe just tweeted: NASA saying 71 ft asteroid will pass inside the moon's orbit
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First last night's scoop and now this.  Man, that Gabe has sources everywhere! 

200
Before enacting Mittcare I met with the doctors and nurses to see how government could help.They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of our great state. Clearly, something had to be done.

201 Send Ben Affleck alone to this asteroid. Or maybe with Matt Damon.

202 message

203

Price-fixing does not make a good or service more affordable; it makes the good or service unobtainable at any price.

This lesson has had to be learned and re-learned so often, even in our own history, that it just confirms my belief that schools simply have given up on teaching history any more.

In the last two years of the US civil war, Jefferson Davis was faced with a truly gruesome dilemma: the southern economy was in shambles, the industrial sector (what little there was of it) operating at a fraction of its former capacity, and the South's single cash crop -- cotton -- rendered worthless due to the Union blockade. Housewives could no longer afford even the basic staples of life -- flour, coffee, cornmeal. (There was even a "bread riot" in Richmond in which Jeff Davis himself had to intervene.) It got so bad that tradesmen and business would only accept gold or Yankee greenbacks as payment -- and when you've been reduced to using your enemies' currency, you are done. So Jefferson Davis imposed draconian price-controls on all manner of goods to escape this trap.

However, what ended up happening is that tradespeople simply went out of business or went to an underground economy (barter or gold). Instead of making goods and services cheaper for the common folks, his action actually made the situation much worse by making the goods impossible to procure in many cases, no matter the price. Jefferson Davis, among many others in history, found that you cannot force businesspeople to operate at a loss indefinitely. The market will have its way, whether you like it or not.

Healthcare is not a "right". It is a service (with associated facilities and materials costs) that must operate with a certain amount of profitable margin. And our medical technology is such that the costs to provide this service are high -- to be sure, there is inefficiency and waste in the system, but even absent those pressures, it's still expensive to provide good health care. And insurance companies, who must match premiums to more-or-less match those costs, must have the flexibility to adjust their premiums -- if not, they go out of business.

 

204

Well it's about fucking time:

Cows absolved of causing global warming with nitrous oxide

Livestock could actually be good for the environment according to a new study that found grazing cows or sheep can cut emissions of a powerful greenhouse gas.

 

205 I will lay a grand out in the open...RIGHT NOW in front of everyone that it will be neither.

I wouldn't be surprised if the repubs nominated obama.

206 We could kick HA ass on science/technology and military stuff.

Only science stuff on HA has to do with Apple, and stories entitled "Dude."

They have no chance against us morons!

207

And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

It won't be Huckabee.  Too many sane, rich people in the GOP to let that happen. 

You can't look at the Republican Primary through a national lens. What matters most are the first 3-5 states.

 

Iowa and South Carolina will go to Huckabee, New Hampshire and Nevada will go to Romney.   At this point other candidates will drop out. No one is going to try the Rudy Giulini tactic of waiting for one of the later states(florida) to make a stand. If you can't win one of the first four states, you are as good as toast.

We all know the southern states will vote for huckabee, and the northern and western states will vote for Romney(he will get more of the McCain votes that Huckabee).

It will be Romney's to lose, and if he does lose it, it will be Huckabee standing next in line.

I think most people, including people on this blog and myself, will end up backing Romney because we fear the alternative, Huckabee.

208 Only science stuff on HA has to do with Apple, and stories entitled "Dude."

Don't forget the evolution threads.  Those are comedy gold! 

Seriously, though, I would be willing to work a couple of hours a day finding stories and feeding them to one of the official morons.  We could take shifts. 

209 We'd totally win a street brawl with HA. Like in Anchorman.

"Ace, you killed a man with a trident!"

"Yeah.I stabbed him in the heart."

210 I think most people, including people on this blog and myself, will end up backing Romney because we fear the alternative, Huckabee.

I'm not that keen on him myself (he wasn't that impressive when I lived in Indiana), but Mitch Daniels would be the logical choice if those other two are the front-runners. 

There are some good people in Congress, but I think we'd be better off running a governor. 

211

VOTE FOR DEVAL PATRICK He needs a new car...

No, actually, he doesn't.

You see, the first act Deval Patrick did as Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts was to buy himself a brand new $70,000 Cadillac with taxpayer money.

How's that for stereotype?

Next thing he did ... keep in mind that Massachusetts has a 10% unemployment rate and a $1 billion budget shortfall because of RomneyCare ... was buy some $17,000 curtains for his new office.

He's a multi-millionaire who could easily afford to buy his own god damned Cadillac, but he stuck the taxpayers of Massachusetts with it.

They buy themselves new cars and fancy offices with our fucking money and then bitch when they have to write unemployment checks.

Are you tired of being fucked by these people yet?

They're laughing at you all the way to their bank.

212

I can say with almost certainty that Mitt Romney will be the Republican candidate in 2012. And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

We are fucked. We truly are.

I will lay a grand out in the open...RIGHT NOW in front of everyone that it will be neither.

Is it a bet?

What are you betting? It won't be Romney, or are you betting on who it will be?

213 Muslim woman strangled by burkha in freak go-kart accident.

I'm kind of surprised women who wear them are allowed to partake in infidel fun--thought that was just for the men.

214

Price-fixing does not make a good or service more affordable; it makes the good or service unobtainable at any price.

Minor quibble... Price-fixing a good or service drives it into the black market.  It can still be obtained for a price; just not legally.

215

Iranian defense minister says: "Israel is no match for Iranian military."

http://bit.ly/cUx0hm

Um...note to Iranian defense minister: Israel already has nukes...just sayin'

216

VOTE FOR DEVAL PATRICK He needs a new car...

Cadillace Deval they call him.  I read that Obama's top domestic priority is not jobs but to get Deval re-elected.  "Together We Can"

217

I think most people, including people on this blog and myself, will end up backing Romney because we fear the alternative, Huckabee.

I'm not that keen on him myself (he wasn't that impressive when I lived in Indiana), but Mitch Daniels would be the logical choice if those other two are the front-runners. 

There are some good people in Congress, but I think we'd be better off running a governor. 

I agree, I want Paul Ryan, but I would be happy with a number of people that aren't named Romney, Huckabee or Palin. However, the republican party doesn't work like the democrat party. We are essentially a deli counter and the candidate with the next spot in line gets his chance on the ticket. I mean we ran Bob friggin Dole in 1996,  Bush 1 in 1988, Reagan in 1980, Ford in 1976, Nixon in 1960, 1968 . They were all either frontrunners, vice presidents or the next in line. The last two times our party has chosen someone not "in line" was Goldwater in 64 and Bush 2 in 00.

That's just how the party works, to its detriment.

218

We'd totally win a street brawl with HA. Like in Anchorman.

Ew. What's that smell? Smell like Big Foot's dick!

219 Tom Watson shot an opening round 67 at The Masters, and is atop the leader board.

220
I wouldn't be surprised if the repubs nominated obama.

Equally likely is the GOP nominating nobody.

221
Iranian defense minister says: "Israel is no match for Iranian military."

That's hilarious coming from the mutts who fought the mighty Iraqis to a stalemate.

222 Awwwshucksabee won't make it past the first primary.

I'm predicting Palin / Perry or Palin / Pence

223 Equally likely is the GOP nominating nobody. Posted by: Baboo (from the Jeannie Cartoon) at April 08, 2010 02:10 PM (uFokq) Didn't he run last time?

224

I wouldn't be surprised if the repubs nominated obama.

Equally likely is the GOP nominating nobody.

Running someone against Obama is kinda racist.

225 "I think most people, including people on this blog and myself, will end up backing Romney because we fear the alternative, Huckabee."

Then get behind Tim Pawlenty or any of the other conservative candidates who will not cross the aisle to help Democrats fuck us right up the ass.

I'm looking for a leader who wants to take the fight to these scumbags ... not work with them. I'm looking for a guy who is going to punch them back twice as hard ... not someone who will seek "bipartisanship."

Romney and Huckabee are both cut from the same cloth ideologically.

Go read up on Mormons, or watch the online documentary PBS did to learn more about how Mormons work (and keep in mind that Harry Reid is a Mormon also who will work very closely with Romney if they are elected)

If you're concerned about Huckabee and his plans ... Romney should scare the living bejeezus out of you.

226 Pence is the man.  If only he would run.

227 Equally likely is the GOP nominating nobody.

On the bright side, "Anybody" outpolls Obama by about 10%.

228 @229

Stop peddling your LDS paranoia, asshat.

229

Excellent comment, Monty.  I would just add a simple analogy:

Price-fixing does not make a good or service more affordable;

Posted by: Monty at April 08, 2010 01:59 PM (4Pleu)

Fixing prices to make things affordable is like opening your refrigerator to cool the kitchen. 

Liberals still wouldn't understand the problem with their solution ...

230 I think Romney will spend his time punching down. Which I hear is bad.

231

I am almost positive Palin will not run.  There is more money in not being the president.

I don't particularly want her to anyway.

I think the candidates will be

Romney

Huckabee

Ron Paul

Sam Brownback

Mike Pence

John Thune

and a few smaller candidates that will pull out before the primaries actually start.

 

oh and Fred Thompson, but he'll only get in some time after the Ohio Primary.

232

Actually, it's "Coupe" Deval which is his nickname.

Thanks ! I knew it looked wrong even with Cadillac misspelled but I couldn't remember what they called him.

233 223 Tom Watson shot an opening round 67 at The Masters, and is atop the leader board.

That's great!  I like him.  He seems like such a gentleman. 

I'm rooting for Phil, of course, but Watson would be a great guy to see win.  I also like Anthony Kim right now. 

It's frustrating.  Out here the coverage doesn't start until 1 pm.  Grrr. 

234 Mormons should not be allowed to run for elected office, or babysit anyone's kids.

235

It really pisses me off when people push Romney right now.  The people pushing him know as well as I do that he won't win.  They push him anyway as a crafty way of undermining the anti-Obamacare faction in the GOP. 

What Frum and his co-conspirators want is not for Romney to beat Obama in 2012.  What they want is for Obama to defeat Romney in 2012, use the deadly force of the federal government to destroy (perhaps literally, as in kill) their GOP rivals, and then give them the leftovers.

236 Watch a PBS special on Mormons. Because God knows PBS would never be biased.

237 194 Yes. And emphasize that it was done at the state level. He's said this, but it doesn't seem to be getting picked up.
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That's because it's completely overshadowed by the fact that he keeps talking about what a good idea it was and how well it's working out.

238

Mormons who support socialized medicine, taxpayer-funded abortions, and gun control, and who won't win anyway should not be allowed to run for elected office, or babysit anyone's kids.

FIFY.

239

A representative from the Cato Institute says "Hayaaaa!"

240 @243
Yeah, you're right. 

241 Need to refresh mo' often!

Sorry.  My mind instantly went to douching. 

242

Mallamutt. Even if Palin does get it, i think increase the chance of a Romney win. It would divide Huckabee's base, not Romneys.

Also, i hope this isn't blaspemous, while I do hope Rubio wins, I am beginning to feel that Rubio is like Obama in 2008, he is a blank slate that every conservative projects their ideas upon. I am told by all conservative blogs that he a good guy and conservative. He is clearly better than crist, but not being from florida, i am not really familiar with Rubio's background. He is a good looking guy with a good looking family, which helps, but i am not sold on him being a conservative savior, not yet anyway. Also, we already have a novice as president. I want someone with a little experience.

243 Mitt Romney won't ever admit he made a mistake with health care. He shares that one quality with Chairman Obambalamps.

244 FRED is going to be too busy with his punching of hippies to run.

You broke my heart Fred. You broke my heart.

245 You broke my heart Fred.

Mine, too.

246 "Stop peddling your LDS paranoia, asshat."

I'm not spreading anything. I encourage you to go educate yourself about Mormons and how they work together. One place to start is the PBS documentary ... but Google is your friend.

Mormons are good hard-working people. The way they operate leaves me troubled and especially concerned about Mitt Romney working with Harry Reid to enact Democrat legislation ... which is what he did as Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

But make up your own mind.  Go educate yourself if you believe others are spreading "paranoia."

247 Muslim woman strangled by burkha in freak go-kart accident.

I'm kind of surprised women who wear them are allowed to partake in infidel fun--thought that was just for the men.

Posted by: Plywood Futures Investor at April 08, 2010 02:06 PM (mR7mk)

Hahahaha!  If it weren't for the fact that the liability insurance would kill me, I'd start up a muslim womens' go-kart race league in Dearborn.

248

It really pisses me off when people push Romney right now.  The people pushing him know as well as I do that he won't win.  They push him anyway as a crafty way of undermining the anti-Obamacare faction in the GOP. 

What Frum and his co-conspirators want is not for Romney to beat Obama in 2012.  What they want is for Obama to defeat Romney in 2012, use the deadly force of the federal government to destroy (perhaps literally, as in kill) their GOP rivals, and then give them the leftovers.

I don't want Romney at all, but he is the frontrunner, along with Huckabee. The only way the real conservatives* can beat them is if we coalesce around one candidate who is not either of those two.

As i said, and is evidenced by republican primary history, the person who wins the first several states usally ends up winning the nomination.

Well Iowa and South Carolina are guaranteed to vote for Huckabee(or Palin) and New Hampshire and Nevada are guarenteed to go to Romney. Then whoever wins florida(romney had more than double the votes huckabee did there in 200  will probably go on to win super tuesday.

 

 

 

 

 

*someguy

249
I'd say Pawlenty is the nominee. Might come down to Pence, Pawlenty, and Thune.

Thune and Pence will split the more conservative-leaners and we'll end up with Pawlenty, a.k.a. McCain jr.

^{wow, that's sounds so likely I'm a little annoyed}

250 Don't nominate down by putting Romney atop the Republican ticket in 2012.

251

Nobody's going to remember this in 2012, right?

252 @258

_*rimshot*

253 You all think your job sucks...well, look what the poor Carlsberg workers in Copenhagen have to put up with.....

"COPENHAGEN (Reuters) – A few hundred warehouse workers and drivers at Danish brewer Carlsberg halted work for a second day on Thursday to protest a company decision to limit beer drinking at work to lunch breaks."

""There has been free beer, water and soft drinks everywhere," he said.

"Yesterday, beers were removed from all refrigerators. The only place you can get a beer in future is in the canteen, at lunch."

Bekke said drivers retained an old right to three beers per day outside lunch hours, and warehouse workers claimed the same right"

"He added that Carlsberg's trucks have alcohol locks so drivers would not be able to drink too much and drive."

254 I can say with almost certainty that Mitt Romney will be the Republican candidate in 2012. And if by some chance it isn't Romney, it will be Huckabee.

Actually, believe it or not I doubt either of them will have a good showing this time around.  I think that the political winds have shifted, if nothing else the fact that John McCain, who granted squeaked past the gates in the last Presidential election to take the primary thanks to two supposedly more "conservative" candidates splitting votes is now in a monster fight just to win his own Senate primary should show us all something.

Things are not anywhere near the same as they once were.  Even a year ago I don't think anyone would have predicted that McCain would have to fight just to win the primary for Senate in Arizona, but here we just a short span of time later and McCain is in the fight of his life just to save his Senate seat.

The political landscape out there has changed, significantly, and all bets are off now.  If you'd asked me a year ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly that Romney would probably take the nomination in 2012 in a walk.  Now?  Well now I think Romneycare will prove to be more deadly to him than a world class case of Achilles's heel.

The thing we need to remember is that there is a whole new class of voter out there folks.  All the previous models of "likely voters" is out the window.  I don't think these next two elections are going to be decided by a small portion of party faithful on either side, as they have been for many years up till now.

A whole new section of the electorate who didn't normally participate much in the political process has awakened, and they are pissed.  I think that a smart, conservative candidate will most likely take advantage of this in the early primaries and Romney will most likely be on the sidelines or very nearly out of the race by Florida.

McCain will have a snowballs chance in hell, his Presidential aspirations are pretty much done.  He'll be damn lucky to hold onto his Senate seat and quite frankly I'm really hoping his luck is out on that score too.  Nothing would please me more than seeing McCain retired to some RINO pasture where he can badmouth conservatives to his buddies in the mainstream media all he wants but will no longer be allowed to do any real damage.

I think the midterms will be a huge shock to both parties.. my only hope is that the Republican's don't misunderstand that this is something new, something different than politics as usual.  The RINO, Democrat Lite thing is done.  People don't want that.  They don't want a republican who might as well be a democrat.  They want their country back.  I just hope the party is listening, because if not by 2012 we might be looking at another ballgame entirely.

255 Mormon's? Aren't they the people that worship a large pipe organ in Utah somewhere?

256 But make up your own mind.  Go educate yourself if you believe others are spreading "paranoia."

Posted by: someguy at April 08, 2010 02:22 PM (VRJIW)

Ok, name 3 good reasons why a Mormon shouldn't be President. Don't name 3 reasons about Romney, we know his background.  I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

257 Aren't they the people that worship a large pipe organ

Nah, that's Andrew Sullivan.

258

Again, this is all fairly premature. Just saying, Rubio could have a very significant impact on the 2012 process. Remember, McCain's path to the nomination was propelled by winning Florida and that win was propelled by Crist.

 I agree with the Crist McCain relationship, and Rubio will be a factor if he wins. I agree completely. I guess i was refering more to the idea that Rubio is our guy in 2012, which i am not sold on.

 

259

Aren't they the people that worship a large pipe organ

Nah, that's Andrew Sullivan.

haha. thread winner and worth the risk

260 Mormons are weirdos.

261 i'm afraid of muslims mormons

262 Mormons h8 gay people. 

263 272 Mormons are weirdos.

Posted by: Tom Cruise at April 08, 2010 02:30 PM (F9NPo)

True dat...

264

Yesterday, beers were removed from all refrigerators. The only place you can get a beer in future is in the canteen, at lunch."

That is an outrage - I hope the employees get a good lawyer.   Sounds like a case for Jackie Chiles, Esq.

265

stuckonstupid.

factor this into your equation.

How many tea party people are registered as independents or democrats?

and

How many states have open primaires?

266
Nah, that's Andrew Sullivan.

nice

267 Someguy did you just suggest I watch PBS to obtain balanced objective evidence concerning the nature and goals of religious beliefs?

he he he ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

What's next? Watching Inconvenient Truth for an informative non biased look at global climate?

268 The thing we need to remember is that there is a whole new class of voter out there folks.  All the previous models of "likely voters" is out the window.

Are there more...fed-up, smaller-gov't new voters for 2010 than there were never-voted-before-there-was-a-black-guy-on-the-ballot new 2008 voters?  I expect the latter to show up again in 2012.  Six or seven times apiece.

269 I don't even like typing this:

McCain / Steele 2012

otherwise known as Obama's 2nd Term

270

Are there more...fed-up, smaller-gov't new voters for 2010 than there were never-voted-before-there-was-a-black-guy-on-the-ballot new 2008 voters?  I expect the latter to show up again in 2012.

Wonder what their slogan will be - Rock the Vote?  Vote or Die?

271 Aren't they the people that worship a large pipe organ?

That would be Paulie and Someguy

272 guess i was refering more to the idea that Rubio is our guy in 2012, which i am not sold on.

Don't think he will run in 2012, neithe rwill Scott Brown. But, Rubio has shown an ability to organize a grass root movement. That is one hell of a valuable data base to have for an early primary. Especailly if you belive that Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina will serve the role of weeding out the field.

i know this is shrewd and it doesn't mean anything to me, a persons race or creed, but let's keep in mind that Rubio's Cuba(read:hispanic) heritage may be beneficial in say 2016 or 2020.

Look at the black vote turn out in 2008, I would assume we could expect the same from the hispanic vote for Rubio as well.

273

I don't even like typing this:

McCain / Steele 2012

otherwise known as Obama's 2nd Term

it didn't occur to me, but we probably should consider the fact that mccain may take another shot at it. i doubt he would be any more successful that Adlai Stevenson

274 How many states have open primaires?

This is where I ask how you're going to verify that everybody who checks the "R" box when signing up to vote via the DMV/State Fair/pretty girl holding the clipboard/mailing in the form in the phone book/etc holds one or more conservative/Republican beliefs, and everyone ignores me because restricting the primary in their state to just people who checked the box is going to magically give their candidate the nomination.

275 Fred Thompson / David Patraeus 2012

Fear the Muthafuckin' Reaper, Liberal Bitches!

Might have to tone down the campaign slogan a tad, but you get the idea.

276

Well Iowa and South Carolina are guaranteed to vote for Huckabee(or Palin) and New Hampshire and Nevada are guarenteed to go to Romney

Well, geez, since you can foretell the future, I guess I have nothing more to say.

BTW, I live in Nevada, and a Romney win here is nowhere near preordained.

277 Ok, name 3 good reasons why a Mormon shouldn't be President.

I never said that and don't believe it.

I said Mitt Romney will work with fellow Mormon Harry Reid to pass Democrat legislation.

And I base that opinion on Romney's devotion to Mormonism and his record as Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where he worked hand-in-hand with Democrats to enact their legislation and to raise taxes. Romney's Mormonism informs his politics and will be, and should be, part of the debate in exactly the same way that Huckabee's faith should be part of the debate.

I encourage people to make up their own minds by educating themselves about how Mormons operate in society, in the State of Utah, and within their churches. Make up your own mind about how important that issue is to you.

Romney has a record. Look at it and decide for yourself whether he would work with Harry Reid ... or if he would try to destroy his fellow Mormon. Harry Reid is working hand-in-hand with Barack Obama to institute Socialism in the United States. I believe Mitt Romney would not fight a fellow Mormon. He would be excommunicated if he did that. But make up your own mind.

Nevertheless if you are against ObamaCare and the takeover of health care by government, then you cannot support Mitt Romney, because Mitt Romney made it happen in Massachusetts and gave Obama the blueprint for getting it passed.

278 I love Marco Rubio's fish tacos.

279 Might have to tone down the campaign slogan a tad, but you get the idea.

Posted by: sifty

 

I like it.

280 someguy forgets an important point about the Mormon Reid-Romney Cabal.

Reid is getting fired soon.

281

Hey Someguy, are you still out there? I'm still waiting for your answer:

Name 3 good reasons why a Mormon shouldn't be President. Don't name 3 reasons about Romney, we know his background.  I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

282 someguy is just "asking questions". hmm. that sounds familiar.

283 I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

1. They worship pipe organs
2. They have sex with their children s children
3. They're generally creepy people that have piercing blue eyes.

284 Someguy is trying to establish the meme that opposition to Romney is based on fundamentalist hatred of Mormons.  In fact, his leftist record gives plenty of reason in and of itself.

285 "Someguy did you just suggest I watch PBS to obtain balanced objective evidence concerning the nature and goals of religious beliefs?"

No, I suggested that as a place to start, but you certainly shouldn't take their word for it (or anyone's word for it.)

Google is your friend. Go educate yourself.

Mormons have a record that is publicly available to anyone who wishes to know what they're all about.

Regardless ... Mitt Romney has a long and illustrious record of fucking over Republicans by working with Democrats to pass their legislation.

Do you want Republicans working with Democrats?

I don't. So, naturally, I would never vote for Romney.

286

Hey Someguy, are you still out there? I'm still waiting for your answer:

Name 3 good reasons why a Mormon shouldn't be President. Don't name 3 reasons about Romney, we know his background.  I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

Posted by: inquiring minds want to know

 

If you try cribbing notes from "Why a Papist should not be President", we'll know. And Christoph will be Pissedoph that you stole from him.

287 Name 3 good reasons why a Mormon shouldn't be President. Don't name 3 reasons about Romney, we know his background.  I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

She didn't say that a Mormon shouldn't be president, she said that the major reason that Romney shouldn't be president is that he's a devout Mormon.

Nuance. 

288 Don't forget all the creepy canning of peaches and the khaki pants.

289 "people that have piercing blue eyes."

Posted by: Barbarian

 

Great. Now I have to go home and stone my daughter to death.

290 1. They worship pipe organs
2. They have sex with their children s children
3. They're generally creepy people that have piercing blue eyes and hair that does not move in the wind. 
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fify

291 291 Fred Thompson / David Patraeus 2012

Fear the Muthafuckin' Reaper, Liberal Bitches!

Might have to tone down the campaign slogan a tad, but you get the idea.

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 02:37 PM (F9NPo)

Pure awesome.  But if we go this way, please please somebody make sure that Fred does a lot of coke on the campaign trail.  He REALLY needs some motivation, some fire.  His heart didn't seem to be in it last time, and I think that's a big part of why he didn't get the nod. 

292 Fire won't melt Mormons. But I'm just asking questions.

293 Mormons cause autism. 

294

"I believe Mitt Romney would not fight a fellow Mormon. He would be excommunicated if he did that. But make up your own mind."

Nonsense.  Otherwise Utah politics would be littered with excommunicated politicians who opposed each other.  Seriously, 'tard, take your uneducated bigotry and stuff it.

 

PS: A PBS special does not an education make.

PPS: Why do you think Romney would be the one excommunicated for not cooperating with Reid?  Why wouldn't the pro-abortion Reid be excommunicated by a pro-life Church?  Ye gods, you're dumb.

295 " someguy is just "asking questions". hmm. that sounds familiar."

On the contrary, I'm not asking questions. I've made up my mind.

I'm linking you to information the validity of which you can judge for yourself. You should be asking questions.

I live in Massachusetts. I've had to pay $13,000 a year for health insurance required by Republican Mitt Romney that I didn't have to pay before he became Governor and signed that legislation.

He is a tax raiser and a Republican only in name. He was elected Governor n Massachusetts primarily because Democrats knew they could count on him to be "bi-partisan."

I didn't support John McCain and would work to make sure Romney is never a Republican nominee and won't vote for him if he is the nominee. I won't vote for Democrats ... or Republicans who work with Democrats to pass Democrat initiatives.

And neither will the country. McCain was exactly this type of a candidate ... and we have Barack Obama because we chose a poor nominee.

Let's not make the same mistake twice.

296 Governor Romney will be converting to Satanism, thereby picking up fifteen percentage points in the Republican primary.

297 How many tea party people are registered as independents or democrats?

Well I think especially by the time we get to the 2012 election a lot of them will be registering as Republicans so they can vote in the primaries.  Certainly the tea party organizers are smart enough to put the word out on this, and get their people to register so they do have a strong voice in the primaries.

I think most of the tea partiers are all too aware of the fact that the Democrats have abandoned them, common sense and reason a long way back and as such there really isn't much benefit to trying to influence a democratic primary.

298 Only Jeri Thompson can light the pilot light in the FRED furnace.

299

Huckabee and Romney.  Are we really so bereft of good talent that we can have no others?  I love Sarah, but it's not realistic that she should run for Prez at this point.  It's a nice dream, of course. 

Surely there are other, better candidates.  Ones that do not smack or RINOism or deeply misguided (I would say often unbiblical) religious zealotry.  If that's the best we got, I think it's gonna be a rough ride.  Don't get me wrong - I'd much rather have even the Huckster rather than Jugears, but I really want to see somebody run who I can vote for without holding my nose. 

300 I want to know why A Mormon should not be President.

I can't tell you that, because I don't care if a Mormon is President. Mormons are good, hardworking people. If you doubt that, you can learn all about Mormons here, and here.

I do care if Mitt Romney is President, because the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is also a Mormon and because Romney has a record of working with Democrats to pass their legislation. So I believe he would work with Reid. I don't want my President working with Reid. Barack Obama works with Reid.

Since I don't like Democrat ideas and their plans to turn America into a Socialist Repbublic, naturally, I don't think it would be a good idea to elect Romney. He would work closely with his fellow Mormon in the Senate to pass Democrat-backed legislation. Everything in his upbringing and in his record supports this suggestion. You might disagree, and you get a vote, but I'm not ever voting for him ... just as I didn't vote for John McCain. And I think most conservatives will not vote for him for these reasons.

If we nominate Romney, we guarantee 4 more years of Barack Obama.

301 someguy, you are full o' shit.

Go punch down to some valium.

302

@313:   You get to the heart of the anti-Romney argument, much more accurately than someguy's paranoid rantings.  Not that he's a Satanist, but that his beliefs are for sale.

(As with many conspiracy theories, his have a small bit of truth taken out of context:  yes, the Mormons have odd beliefs and a hierarchical structure; but the idea that the church would excommunicate Romney for disagreeing with Reid is asinine.  The problem, if anything, is that the LDS doesn't excommunicate much of anybody, including those, like Reid, who don't follow it).

303 315 Only Jeri Thompson can light the pilot light in the FRED furnace.

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 02:53 PM (F9NPo)

Understandable.  I suppose all other concerns pale in comparison.  Fred's prolly saving up fuel - keeping the fire place banked - so he's good to go when duty calls.

304 On the contrary, I'm not asking questions. I've made up my mind.

I hope that wasn't as painful as it sounds.  And while I'll agree in general with your assessment of McCain and Romney I just can't quite get past the utter stupidity of your anti-Mormon screed.

No, I'm not a Mormon.  And No, I don't claim to be an expert on their religion.  But I do know enough to recognize idiotic bigotry when I see it, and I've seen it here in  your postings.  When you post such nonsense you do yourself and the rest of us a great deal of discredit.  So please, grow up a bit.

305

First off, Rick Perry is going to run and he will be the odds on favorite to win the nomination.

Second off, somebody needs to do something about the open primary system, its what got us McCain in 2008. All the independents voted for the Maverick in the primaries then switched to Obama during the election.

Third off, there will be a primary challenge to Obama, especially if unemployment remains above 8.5%. This challenger will most likely be a governor from a conservative state.

306

Well Iowa and South Carolina are guaranteed to vote for Huckabee(or Palin) and New Hampshire and Nevada are guarenteed to go to Romney

Well, geez, since you can foretell the future, I guess I have nothing more to say.

BTW, I live in Nevada, and a Romney win here is nowhere near preordained.

if the options are romney and huckabee? I think it is preordained.

 

307 Let's not make the same mistake twice.

Posted by: someguy at April 08, 2010 02:48 PM (VRJIW)

So let's see if I've got your thought process correct:

Romney is a Mormon = all Mormons are bad

Hey Someguy, what's next, replace Mormon with Catholic, Protestant? Why don't you judge the person and their politics and not the person and their religion?

 

308

if the options are romney and huckabee? I think it is preordained.

Well, you're wrong.

309 Mormon's have a full record of most peoples genealogy.
Why? WHY?? Creepy mofo's.

310

My logic is sound.

McCain won in 2008, why? it was his turn.

same with dole, bush 1, reagan, ford, and nixon.  It is hard to unseat a front runner in the republican party, actually its almost impossible.

Now the only issue is who was next in line, Romney or Huckabee. Let's be honest, both men will run, hell they are in the process of running right now.

They also have the benefit of name recognition. Not only did they run in 2008, but Huckabee has had a show on fox for serveral years.

It would be hard for a Pawlenty, Daniels, Thune, or even my favorite, Ryan to break through.

 

311

if the options are romney and huckabee? I think it is preordained.

Well, you're wrong.

You think nevada would go huckabee over romney?

312 I don't care if he or she shakes a monkey foot and howls naked at the moon, the next Republican with policies like Reagan gets my vote.

313

First off, Rick Perry is going to run and he will be the odds on favorite to win the nomination.

Second off, somebody needs to do something about the open primary system, its what got us McCain in 2008. All the independents voted for the Maverick in the primaries then switched to Obama during the election.

Third off, there will be a primary challenge to Obama, especially if unemployment remains above 8.5%. This challenger will most likely be a governor from a conservative state.

some states might benefit from open primaries. States like mine, Pennsylvania have a ton of pro life democrats who would probably pick a better republican candidate than the republicans did in 2008. Heck we had Rick Santorum as a senator, who i like a lot, and he surely didn't win with just Republican votes.

314 Hillary Clinton / Janet Napolitano 2012

Sensible Shoes, Sensible Government

315 Sensible Shoes, Sensible Government
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They have our vote!

316

I don't care if he or she shakes a monkey foot and howls naked at the moon, the next Republican with policies like Reagan gets my vote.

Don't look at me, I'm a Democrat.

317 DAMMIT! I'm firing myself.

318 This is the kind of thing you do because there is, as Democrats have told us innumerable times in the last year, insufficient competition in medical insurance. That's why we needed a public option---to increase the number of competitors (by *one*---that'll really change the market dynamics all by itself!).

319 damn, looks like this thread is dead.

320

Huckabee and Romney.  Are we really so bereft of good talent that we can have no others? 

That's the problem. The entire American political system is designed to allow the crap to float to the top; both Republican and Democrat.

I know it sounds insane, but its almost like powerful unseen forces are at work choosing our craptastic political leaders.

Of course, it could be just an idiotic, ill-informed and capricious electorate.

321 "When you post such nonsense you do yourself and the rest of us a great deal of discredit. "

What specifically did I say?

I believe Romney would work with his fellow Mormon Harry Reid to pass Democrat legislation  - based on Romney's public record. I linked you to the Book of Mormon so you can read it yourself. I am not characterizing it. You decide what you think it says.

PBS did a documentary that is a place to start to learn about how Mormons operate in the society they have built for themselves. There are other sources of information publicly available. Educate yourself and decide for yourself.

I've decided for myself.

Guy is a Democrat in sheep's clothing and he will work with his fellow Mormon in the Senate to pass Democrat legislation.

He's Mitt "Obama" Romney II.

I fail to see how educating yourself makes one a bigot and just as Democrats cry "racism" to stop debate about their politics, I won't let inane cries of "bigot" stop me from pointing out why we do not want Mitt Romney as the nominee of our political party.

322 332 Sensible Shoes, Sensible Government
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They have our vote!


Us too!

323 329 I don't care if he or she shakes a monkey foot and howls naked at the moon, the next Republican with policies like Reagan gets my vote.

Posted by: sifty at April 08, 2010 03:00 PM (F9NPo)

Thanks.  I will be counting on your vote.

324 Come back to bed, someguy. They just don't understand you the way I do.

325

You think nevada would go huckabee over romney?

No, I think that both candidates will be sufficiently un-fresh by 2012 that someone else will win.  I also think that we are seeing a fundamental change in the electorate--a shift to the right--that will make a lot of these arguments seem as outdated as a discussion, in Massachusetts in 1780, of whom would win the upcoming British parliamentary elections (a discussion that would have been relevant ten years before). 

More to the point, though, it's bad enough when you post your doom and gloom crap.  It's worse when you try to tell me that the people in my own state are robots who are predestined to vote for someone.  I know my state first hand from living here since 1972, you know it from online posts.

326

I'm from the future, but I have amnesia.

But every day is one long deja vu.

327 I never go wrong voting the Nekid Moon Howling Monkey Foot Shaker Reaganites.

328 Obamacare: Barack to the future!

329

I believe Romney would work with his fellow Mormon Harry Reid to pass Democrat legislation  - based on Romney's public record.

Hey Someguy,  so which one is it:

a. Romney will work with Harry Reid because they have similar political goals, or

b. Romney will work with Harry Reid because they are both Mormons

Waiting for your answer.

330

Sam Adams has been deemed "not good" and anything not "good" is "bad", hence illegal.

I think you mean "ungood".

Posted by: Winston Smith at April 08, 2010 01:45 PM (30xKW) 

Don't you mean "fungood"?

Okay, reductio ad absurdum achieved. Move along.

331

I think someguy has the misconception that Mormons are leftist.  They aren't.

Nevertheless, Mitt Romney still should not be nominated. 

Currently, we are in the midst of a conservative revolution.  The GOP can either embrace that revolution or embrace the Obama counterrevolution.  To nominate a status quo candidate like Romney will be a message that the GOP is on Obama's side, not the Tea Partiers.

332 Obamacare, or The Lawyers Full Employment Act

333 @346

I'm still wondering what specific concerns someguy has about how Mormons "operate." 

I assume it's that their lack of caffeine consumption means that they fall asleep at their desks, reducing their productivity. 

Sorta' like the problem with Jooos like Cantor who are always gallivanting off for some High Holy Day. 

334 Money should (and I believe will) flow around the RNC and directly to candidates in line with the Founding Fathers this next few elections.

We tea party types are not a bunch of stupid racists and homophobes like the DNC and RNC think we are.

I don't need some asshole in a $1000 suit telling me who to vote for. I can read and research on my own, thank you.

335 Let's see.  We got free housing (see Obie Wan's Auntie), Free food (Auntie again), free pickup and delivery to health care providers at taxpayer expense (at least here in CA they do), SO WHERE IS MY FREE HEALTH CARE?????

336 350 I assume it's that their lack of caffeine consumption means that they fall asleep at their desks, reducing their productivity.
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We can have caffeine, it just has to be cold and fizzy.

337 "I think someguy has the misconception that Mormons are leftist.  They aren't."

I have the conception that Mitt Romney is both a Mormon, and a leftist, who would work hand-in-hand with fellow Mormon Harry Reid to enact Democrat legislation - precisely the way he did as  Governor of Massachusetts.

You might disagree, so I encourage you to do your own educating of yourself. I've lived in Massachusetts under his leadership. I've made up my mind based on what I know of the man, and how he governed.

Mitt Romney isn't a mystery. Mormons aren't a mystery. Both have a publicly available record for anyone who wishes to educate themselves to see.

338 Sorry, I'm busy "educating" myself about the nefarious plots of the Elders of Zion.  After that, I'll be taking a class from Rosie O'Donnell on "Steel:  The Universe's Only Indestructible Substance."

339 I think someguy will work hand-in-hand with fellow idiots to bring about the downfall of all mankind.
eDUCAE YOURDAMNSELF MONORS!!!ELEVENTY1111

ps: don't go swimming immediately after punching down. you'll get cramps

340 I get all of my guidance from Rome. 

341

"Which is it:

a. Romney will work with Harry Reid because they have similar political goals, or

b. Romney will work with Harry Reid because they are both Mormons"

It is, of course:

c. Romney will work with Harry Reid because both are Mormons who  share similar political goals and beliefs. If Harry Reid was a Muslim, I don't think they would work together or share political beliefs.

342 We all act and think alike. 

343 Incidentally, Reid will probably be gone after this election.  So Romney, even if elected by a miracle, won't be "working with" him.

344 Let me finish my oatmeal and I'll kick someguy's ass.

345 Mormons hatch from eggs and attach to your face. Then they lay eggs in your body. Then the larva burst from your chest and raise your taxes and can their own food.

346 If I was only a Mormon for a little while, does that make me ok? 

347

Billy Barty: 

Actually, if Romney were thinking exactly the same way as most Mormons, I would love having him as President.  Most Mormons are conservative.  Romney, however, is not.

348 Teddy Kennedy and Ann Coulter are both Catholics. And you know how they were always plotting together.

349 Boston Herald (today):

"For now, at least, the fastest-rising Republicans seem to be those most in sync with Tea PartiersÂ’ aversion to taxes and Washington-based programs and regulations.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOPÂ’s vice presidential nominee in 2008, draws big, enthusiastic crowds wherever she goes, even if party insiders question her ability to be elected president. SheÂ’ll be in New Orleans, too.

In Texas, Perry fended off HutchisonÂ’s challenge by running as an anti-Washington, anti-establishment candidate. He welcomed support from Tea Party activists and other hard-core conservatives.

(Mitt) Romney and other more pro-establishment contenders are edging to the right and anxiously watching to see how high the Tea Party tide will rise."

350 It will not be Romney or Huckleberry.  It will be someone who hasn't previously even been on the charts.

I think the MSM has shot their wad for influencing elections. And I don't think there is enough stupid overly religious people in SC to put Huck up front.

The ONLY way Huck can win SC is for there to be 20 candidates on the ticket with a fairly even split between them and Huck come out ahead by a few points WITH the Republicans NOT having fixed the ludicrous winner take all shit. In that case yes, Huck could win by getting 10 or 11% of the vote.

The RNC better start fixing that crap soon. 

351 Vote Mormon because we're completely predictable!

352 Someguy, that is an excellent quote showing what is wrong with Romney.  So why didn't you lead off with that instead of anti-Mormon conspiracy theories?

353 @369
If you would educate yourself about how Mormons operate, you'd know why. 

354 Most Mormons are conservative.

Most Mormons are extremely conservative and they are hard-working, God-fearing people.

Some of them, however, are Democrats.

Harry Reid and Mitt Romney share both a religion and a political belief system that will allow them to work together in a bi-partisan way to "solve problems." They are the pro-establishment candidates. Neither one sees a problem with the  government taking over the health care system. Romney got it done in Massachusetts and Reid got it done federally using Massachusetts as the testing ground.

Now Massachusetts is going broke and unemployment is rampant.

Do you want Harry Reid solving problems with Mitt Romney? Or Barack Obama?

I don't.

355 Do Mormons control the world?

356 @372

Nah.

357 "anti-Mormon conspiracy theories?"

I am not anti-Mormon. I encourage you to read the Book of Mormon and to view the PBS documentary and seek other sources of information so that you can decide for yourself whether you agree with how Mormons operate in society and how that would impact a Romney Presidency with Harry Reid in the Senate.

Mormons operate a certain way in society. You may agree that it's a good way. I suggest you educate yourself to the way they operate in the society they want to create and have created for themselves.

I've lived under Romney's leadership. I've watched how his policies, shaped by his Mormon upbringing and his leftist tendencies, have impacted my life and the lives of my family members. He's hurt my family. He's made us poorer. He worked with Democrats to enact oppressive taxes and a very expensive health insurance mandate here.

After living through that, and still suffering from its after-effects, I cannot support the man. He will work with his fellow Mormon(s) in the Senate to enact Democrat legislative priorities. I don't want my President working with Democrats to enact their legislation.

I want my President to stop them.

358 Do Mormons control the world?

No, only Utah.

359 What is wrong with Romney has no more to do with being a Mormon than Catholicism caused Teddy Kennedy.

Romney is a walking billboard for blue-blood Republicans that only think of the average working Republican as someone to fix a flat tire on their limo. He'd let us vote for him if he must.

If he can straighten out his condescending elitist disdain for the unwashed masses, he might have a shot.

360 The Mormons wanted to control Hollywood and New York, but the Joooos got there first.

361

Trying to predict a Mormon politician's actions from the Book of Mormon makes about as much sense as trying to predict a supposed Christian's actions from the Bible.  Mormons are individuals who make up their own minds. 

Granted, the Salt Lake City hierarchy could enforce its will through excommunication; but, considering that they haven't excommunicated Reid, it seems that they are not willing to do so.

I also want my President to stop the leftists, and I agree that Romney would be unlikely to do so.  John Cornyn also seems unlikely to lead a fight against the Left, and I he isn't a Mormon.

362 Again, I don't know what's in his head on the subject, but, at the very least, he needs to explain things better. 

There is a school of thought (maybe I just invented it; maybe he did) that makes Romney's experience with healthcare a kind of triangulation that reassures non-conservatives, but doesn't make him a no go in the eyes of conservatives--what do you think of that?

363
"Do Mormons control the world?"

No, only Utah.

Wikipedia:

"About 80% of Utah's Legislature are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while they account for 61 percent of the population. Since becoming a state in 1896, Utah has had only two non-Mormon governors.

Utah is much more conservative than the United States as a whole, particularly on social issues. Compared to other Republican-dominated states in the Mountain West such as Wyoming, Utah politics have a more moralistic and less libertarian character according to David Magleby.

In 1998 the Church expressed concern that Utahns perceived the Republican Party as an LDS institution and authorized lifelong Democrat Marlin Jensen to promote LDS bipartisanship."

Do you want a bi-partisan President working with Harry Reid?

364

The reason I don't like Romney is that he's winked at some of the most vicious blue-blood attacks on Sarah Palin by David Frum, et al.  He lets other people do the dirty work and thinks we're too dumb to notice. 

If he wants my vote in the general election--he's already lost it in the primaries--he'll need to condemn swine like Frum.

365 All this arguing about 2012 is just a bunch of wind-pissing anyway.

There ain't no way we make it to 2012 as a whole Country.

No way.

366 Once, I saw a Mormon stalk, kill, field-dress, cook, and eat a small child. True story.

367 #379, this does not equal being a RINO; it's more like a defanging of the center-right; it's kind of addressing/defanging the same irrational hatred of Palin; it's not a rational thing but "hey, he at least tried to tackle heathcare...so he can't be that horrid, even if he is a Republican and a conservative."

368 382 There ain't no way we make it to 2012 as a whole Country.
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Isn't there supposed to be someone summoning meteors?

369

Romney's experience with healthcare a kind of triangulation that reassures non-conservatives, but doesn't make him a no go in the eyes of conservatives--what do you think of that?

The fact that he's saying Mass. health care was a good idea when conservatives are yelling "repeal" doesn't bode well for him.

370 "There is a school of thought (maybe I just invented it; maybe he did) that makes Romney's experience with healthcare a kind of triangulation that reassures non-conservatives, but doesn't make him a no go in the eyes of conservatives--what do you think of that?"

I think that is the way Democrats think.

Look, Romney believes in government-controlled health care - as evidenced by the fact that he signed such legislation as Governor of Massachusetts.

Barack Obama also believes in government-controlled health care.

Romney and Obama and Reid share beliefs. Romney has joined with Democrats to take over health care (in Massachusetts) and force people to buy insurance. Just like Obama has just done.

What is the difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama vis-a-vis government control over our lives and raising taxes through IRS mandates to purchase products?

Romney = Obama

371 @383 "Once, I saw a Mormon stalk, kill ... a small child."

True. Story.

372 The fact that he's saying Mass. health care was a good idea when conservatives are yelling "repeal" doesn't bode well for him.

Except that it's both repeal and replace, also  I agree it's at best a tightrope walk, and would be political death if the GOP primary was the only thing that mattered, but it's not.

The essential is that there are several dynamics involved in what someone is politically; its not just left-right.  That's both why Romney has great potential and great "?"s.  Same why Palin is less viable than some of us hope, or would like her to be.

373

 Compared to other Republican-dominated states in the Mountain West such as Wyoming, Utah politics have a more moralistic and less libertarian character according to David Magleby.

Since someguy put this out there, I want to comment:

It is true that Utah is more socially conservative than other intermountain West states, but not as much as is commonly thought.  Even in my own state, Nevada, the idea that we're some sort of libertarian paradise is a misunderstanding.

Generally, western states have two kinds of people:

1.  Old-fashioned conservatives who adhere to older social conventions.  This generally means being staunchly pro-gun and usually somewhat pro-life.  We aren't talking about evangelicals here--although there are plenty of those two--but we are talking about people who would have been at home in the Fifties, or at least the Eighties, not because God Told Them To, but because they consider that the decent way to behave.  Usually they are more common in smaller towns.

2.  California refugees who left their state when its leftist policies ruined it, but who maintain the generally leftist Californian outlook.

The reason the western states swung toward the Dems in 2006 and 2008 wasn't that a bunch of cowboys said, "Dadgummit, them evangelicals is sure screwin' up our hoedowns."  It was because they had more California voters in them.

The cowboy types still voted Republican and still held socially conservative views; the CA refugees voted Democrat, and maintained their hatred for "rednecks."

374 I suspect (he said hopefully) that the day of the Republican centrist is past. McCain proved that reaching across the aisle to embrace the Dems' plans was not all that impressive to actual Republicans, and it impressed the Right-skewing independents even less. The majority of voters went with the hive-matron Mamabama and ignored John "just a little bit pregnant" McCain.


/tortured sentence structure and logical flow to use a couple of funny monikers I (think I) invented

375

ParisParamus:  It isn't just health care that Romney went leftist on.  He also was a gun control supporter and a pro-abortionist.  Basically his governorship consisted of (a) get elected; (b) sign everything sent to him by the far-left Democrat/Communist MA legislature; (c) announce he wouldn't run again for a second term.

The real question should be:  Why should we vote for him?  His accomplishments are zero.  So are his personal beliefs.

I'd even rather have Gun Control Giuliani.  At least he did a good job as mayor of NYC. 

376

I suspect (he said hopefully) that the day of the Republican centrist is past.

Then please call John Cornyn and tell him to stop saying that we won't try to undo Obamacare.

377 Compared to other Republican-dominated states in the Mountain West such as Wyoming, Utah politics have a more moralistic and less libertarian character according to David Magleby.

I mentioned this in the context of a commenter suggesting they were leaning toward Romney because Huckabee's fundamentalism bothered them.

Romney is not drawn from the ranks of conservatives who believe in small government (as evidenced by his takeover of health care in Massachusetts, support for individual mandates, support for huge tax increases, etc.).

Romney is drawn from the fundamentalist conservative wing ... same as Huckabee. Both men are fervent believers in the moralistic aspects of Republicanism - Romney driven there by his life as a devout Mormon.

That's why Romney has no problem working with Democrats. He shares their beliefs about the size and scope of government intrusion into our lives. And he is cut from the same cloth as Huckabee vis-a-vis fundamentalism.

378 re: #388

someguy, are you really trying to make a point about present-day motivations with an event that happened over 150 years ago?

379 I suspect (he said hopefully) that the day of the Republican centrist is past.

You may be right, but you need to distinguish between being less conservative, and having no, or too few principles to ground your position(s).  McCain is not Romney is not McCain

380 re: 388 "... are you really trying to make a point about present-day motivations with an event that happened over 150 years ago?"

No, I just thought that, in the context of the unique history of Mormonism, a joke about watching Mormons kill children was in poor taste, so I linked the author of that joke to some public sources of information with which he can inform himself.

The internet makes it very easy to link people to publicly available information they may not be aware of so that they don't make inappropriate jokes about Mormons killing children.

381

Someguy, is that your trip?  Fear of the Judgmental Christian Menace?

If so, you can relax.  Social conservatives as a whole are much more likely to be fiscal conservatives as well.  Both Romney and Huckabee tilted left because they governed Democrat states.  (Arkansas is southern and nominally conservative, but it has such an entrenched Democrat establishment that both GOP--Huckabee, Rockefeller--and Democrat governors--Clinton, Tucker--tend to govern far to the left of the voters).  Nevertheless, if you compare, say Jim DeMint  (social conservative) vs. John McCain (not), you will find that DeMint is much more libertarian economically.

This is related to what I said about western states:  they aren't anomalous libertarian purists who want the government to stay away from both health clinics and abortion clinics, or who want married gay couples with automatic weapons.  On the contrary, they are either old-fashioned western conservatives, who don't much like the federal government but support Judeo-Christian ethics; or they are CA refugees who ruined their last state, and who now want the government to take guns away from their new neighbors.

382 Let's see....

Sarcastic joke about a Mormon killing and eating a child: Inappropriate & in poor taste (because of an event that happened 153 years ago)


Thnx for the tip, someguy

383 Someguy, is that your trip?  Fear of the Judgmental Christian Menace?

No, that was the original commentator's trip.

The original commenter to whom I was referring was concerned about Huckabee's fundamentalism; and was leaning toward the equally fundamental Romney as some sort of a fallback position - not really understanding that Romney is a "big government" Republican who is very fundamental owing to his Mormon upbringing.

I don't like Romney because I've had to live under his leadership and am still paying for it. He's a big-taxing, big government Republican like John McCain ... who cannot defeat Barack Obama any more than McCain did.

His Mormonism informs these policies; and so you should educate yourself about his Mormonism for that reason.

The difference between Romney and Huckabee is that Romney is a Mormon. Otherwise, they are interchangable with each other, and for that matter, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

All from the same cloth in my view - judging them on their records.

384 I am not anti-Mormon. I encourage you to read the Book of Mormon and to view the PBS documentary and seek other sources of information so that you can decide for yourself whether you agree with how Mormons operate in society and how that would impact a Romney Presidency with Harry Reid in the Senate.

Mormons operate a certain way in society. You may agree that it's a good way. I suggest you educate yourself to the way they operate in the society they want to create and have created for themselves.

I've lived under Romney's leadership. I've watched how his policies, shaped by his Mormon upbringing and his leftist tendencies, have impacted my life and the lives of my family members. He's hurt my family. He's made us poorer. He worked with Democrats to enact oppressive taxes and a very expensive health insurance mandate here.

After living through that, and still suffering from its after-effects, I cannot support the man. He will work with his fellow Mormon(s) in the Senate to enact Democrat legislative priorities. I don't want my President working with Democrats to enact their legislation.

I want my President to stop them.

Posted by: someguy at April 08, 2010 03:48 PM (VRJIW)

I'm going to "pull a someguy" right now.

Hey Someguy,

YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT!

Read back through what you wrote.  It's not about Romney, it's about Mormons. The Mormons didn't make Romney vote a certain way, Romney made his own decisions.  Romney was pro-choice. That is as anti a Mormon position as there can be.  You've exposed yourself.  Go crawl in a fucking hole.

385 "Sarcastic joke about a Mormon killing and eating a child: Inappropriate & in poor taste (because of an event that happened 153 years ago) Thnx for the tip, someguy."

You're welcome.

I think you got it.

It is inappropriate to make jokes about Mormons killing children, because they have this massacre event in their history that still haunts the Mormon Church where they did hunt down and kill children. It evokes in them great shame.

It is rude to make jokes about this. So please stop.

I linked you to the history because you are clearly unaware of it and its impact on current Mormons - who explain in the Frontline documentary exactly how this event still echoes in the Mormon Church.

386

The idea that Palin is not going to run is pure fantasy.  She's been running hard since her book release last fall.  What's she doing at SRLC this weekend?  Not catering, brotha.

Its going to be Palin v Romney, limited gov't v. big gov't.  Palin wins in a rout.

387 "It is inappropriate to make jokes about Mormons killing children, because they have this massacre event in their history that still haunts the Mormon Church where they did hunt down and kill children. It evokes in them great shame.

It is rude to make jokes about this. So please stop."


Not to go all intellectual on you, someguy, but suck my dick.

388 BTW, someguy: You counsel me to refrain from hurting the feelings of Mormons with what you think is a callous joke, right after you tar all Mormons as dangerously agenda-driven drones.


You know what? Suck my dick twice.

389 I blame the greed insurance companies.  All they had to do was crank up the printing presses when they ran out of money to pay the doctors.

Or they could have given IOUs to the doctors, like California did to those dumb enough to overpay.

Or laid off some employees so the claims would back up and the doctors would not get paid until more money came in.

Doctors don't need to eat, do they?  Maybe they could give the IOUs to the med schools for their student loans.

Better yet, maybe the government would take them as tax payments.  Or they could go for malpractice insurance premiums, because lawyers don't need to eat either.

Do I have to solve everything? 

390 "Liberals have a Cynthia Mckinney. We have someguy."

Yeah... lucky bastards. They got the comic relief. We got the humorroid.

391 " What? did you get you previous insurance for free or were you uninsured?"

Before Mitt Romney came to Massachusetts and worked with Democrats to pass the health care bill, I was not required to purchase health insurance.

After Mitt Romney worked with the Democrats and signed RomneyCare in Massachusetts, I was required to purchase a health insurance policy or face Massachusetts IRS fines and penalties.

This tax increase cost me and my family $13,000 a year, which is the average health insurance premium in the state today (but it's going up every  year). Massachusetts residents pay the highest premiums of any state because of this law. We're required to buy it.

Romney didn't veto the bill ... he was for it. He signed it. He worked with Democrats to craft the legislation in fact. He thought it was a good idea.

Mitt Romney passed one of the largest tax increases in the history of the Commonwealth and then promptly moved out of state so he and his family wouldn't be subject to those taxes. He moved back to Utah.

Republicans here will never forgive him - and you should be aware we'll work against him if Republicans elsewhere nominate him nationally to lead our ticket in 2012.

392 "We got the humorroid."

At least I don't make jokes about Mormons killing children.

That's over the line and you should apologize to those Mormons who are reading this blog. They have a unique history in this area and I'm sure they don't appreciate you joking about it.

393 "That's over the line and you should apologize to those Mormons who are reading this blog."

And you should suck my dick.

394 In case you hadn't noticed, humorrhoid, I feel absolutely no guilt for my joke. I only feel regret that I didn't invite you to suck my ass.

Oh well. There's always next time.

395 Yeah, Romney's a leftist.  Inevitably, the growth of this great blog was going to lower the average smarts of its commenters.

In any case, Palin isn't running in 2012.  2020?  Maybe; hopefully not 2016 because you know what that will have meant.

396 Mitt is a dick and if you support him, well....

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