1 George W. Bush +1, Alex P. Ketoon -1

2 En Fuego!

3
serious lulz @ :52 & 1:21!

4 When the great thespian, Clark Kent, tells us that we need uteran tissue to cure the ills of the downtrodden, who are the scientific community to argue with him?

5 Embryonic stem cells still have their foreskins, and the other cells laugh at them in the shower.

6 I believe this has been the case for years.

7 I thought that it had always been the case that adult stem cells were where all the break-throughs were occurring and that the embryonic stem cells were just another red hearing.

In any case, do they still print the lie that the evil Bush prohibited research into stem cells?

8 It was never about curing Marty McFly or even having the freedom to bail out of personal responsibility. The Left needs to dehumanize human beings so Holdren and the rest of our betters can do their thing.

9 this was known, hhowever inconveniently, back when Bush banned research on embryonic stem cell lines that didn't already exist. (or banned creating new lines, whatever it was). I don't seem to recall the MFM trumpeting the fact, however.

10 In any case, do they still print the lie that the evil Bush prohibited research into stem cells?

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2010 03:31 PM (/jbAw)

If they didn't, how could Obama take credit for this?

11 I want my embryonic stem cells to be old enough to buy beer.

12 I predicted this several years ago.. not because I have any deep knowledge about the subject, but just because it makes sense.

While I disagreed with Bush's ban on using existing embryos, I felt at the time it would probably end up being a boon to science because it would force them to use adult stem cells.

The problem with embryonic stem cells is that they still contain the DNA of the original person.  There is still the matter of rejection to deal with, if and when they found a use for them in transplants, etc.

If adult stem cells from the person needing therapy can be used, that problem goes away.

So.. this is very good news.

13 Behold, more politicized science on the scrap heap.

In the mood I'm in, I'll take the victories where I can get 'em.

14 But... do we still get to kill the babies???

15 But, but, but, Marty McFly told us we had to use embryos? Right, McFly?

16 Its been that way for a while, of course I only knew it when I found out that adults have new stem cells.  It seems obvious that creating things, hearts, lungs, etc, would always be better if it came from yourself, at least in regards to rejection and donor problems.  Spinal cord cells are going to be the difficult ones, but also the holy grail.

17 Yeah, I think most of us who read up on that knew this when this all blew up and Bush became more evil for his ban.
I think there was plenty who said that the only results from stem cells was in the adult arena and the the embryonic stuff was a whole barrel of ought-to, might-could pixie dust and fairy powder.

18 But... do we still get to kill the babies???

Posted by: the usual leftard suspect at August 02, 2010 03:34 PM (IpIBJ)

Follow me on Twitter! @antitheistangie lulz

19 Hasn't it been common knowledge for the better part of a decade that adult stem cells can be manipulated in a controlled fashion, while the fetal variety are too dynamic?  Yet, where does the government money go?  Fetal.

And it's not the first occurrence of AGWism in this area.  Remember fetal cell transplants for Parkinson's and the horror that turned out to be?



Any excuse to justify abortion on demand is acceptable to liberals, even if it starves money from real cures for real people.

20

So once more, a principled moral stance yielded another advance for humanity.

Imagine that!

21

nothing can "cure" diseases that are genetic in nature ...  if the body breaks down you can "fix" some of the breakage but eventually the body breaks the fixed cells again ...

Diabeties is a prime example ...  type 1 is an auto immune response ...  i.e. the body is attacking the pancreas ....  (yes there are a tiny percentage of type 1's from external causes)

you may be able to grow another pancreas via stem cells with your genetic code and avoid rejection ...  the body will most likely kill it as well ...  (at least kill the insulin producing cells ...)

magic bullets are too good to be true ...

 

22 In the Garden State of NJ (in which I live), the CommieLibs started building a Stem Cell research center before the bond bill passed. After the voters turned it down...shenanigans

23 I think there was plenty who said that the only results from stem cells was in the adult arena and the the embryonic stuff was a whole barrel of ought-to, might-could pixie dust and fairy powder.

I vaguely remember that now.  Damn, evil Booosh.

24

"Researchers have created beating hearts, ears and bladders using stem cells."

It would seem to me that a beating bladder would actually be somewhat of a...liability.

25 Yeah, I think most of us who read up on that knew this when this all blew up and Bush became more evil for his ban.
---------------

Yup.. it became the libtard cause-du-jour.. anything they could bash Bush with.. whether it made scientific sense or not.

26 Robo-Dick Cheney hardest hit.

27 The Bush "ban" (as I understand it) was really just a ban on federal funding for the CREATION of any new embryonic stem cell lines. Once those lines were created, federal funding could then be used for their study.

So an easy workaround to the ban would be to obtain federal funding to fertilize embryos, destroy them to harvest the stem cells, and then get federal funding to run your actual tests/studies.

However, the dirty little secret is that anyone who has any kind of money to invest in stem cells is doing it on the adult side, because as the scoreboard currently stands for viable medical procedures/cures/treatments:

Adult Stem Cells: 2,482
Embryonic Stem Cells: 0

28
in b4 Christopher Reeve can walk again!

29 So can Zombie Christopher Reed walk now?

30 Summer wind.  TexasJew.  Cage match.  NAO.

31 And yes, I stole the keys to the frakkin' Thunderdome, what of it...?

32 Without Illegal Mexican babies from Arizona, science will stop!

33

"But, but, but, Marty McFly told us we had to use embryos? Right, McFly?"

Why don't you make like a regenerated heart, and beat it?

34 The Bush "ban" (as I understand it) was really just a ban on federal funding for the CREATION of any new embryonic stem cell lines. Once those lines were created, federal funding could then be used for their study.
----------
That's not how I remember it.
Only lines created before the ban were allowed to be used in federally funded reasearch.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

35
nobody likes the Alvin Greene rap?

36 @35 - no.

37 but because I think the universe usually avoids making questions easy for you, you know?

Some of us have a particular name for that tendency of the Universe to force us into morally defining decisions based on extremely grey circumstances.

In either event, it seems that same "Universe" is telling us what the "right" answer was all along.

38

Our Lord has afforded me the opportunity to return to ask this question:

 

Howz my ass taste!?!

39 Is DDT next?

40 That's not how I remember it.
Only lines created before the ban were allowed to be used in federally funded reasearch.

Right you are! 

41

Gosh, it's almost as if there might have been Someone who designed the universe in such a way that science could find a use for stem cells which would not require us to murder countless innocent human beings before they are born.

Nah, but that's just crazy talk.

42 They were wrong about me as well.

43 Are you from the Nantucket Olberdouche clan??

If so, I never knew any of them..

44 The Bush "ban" (as I understand it) was really just a ban on federal funding for the CREATION of any new embryonic stem cell lines. Once those lines were created, federal funding could then be used for their study.
----------
That's not how I remember it.
Only lines created before the ban were allowed to be used in federally funded reasearch.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: ChiTown Jerry

Not sure which, but that still means that if you wanted to pay for the destruction yourself, then have at. President Bush removed our tax dollars from the carnage. This was then conflated to a total ban.

45

"But, but, but, Marty McFly told us we had to use embryos? Right, McFly?"

Why don't you make like a regenerated heart, and beat it?

Teh funny is strong with this one.

46 45 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

47 Jim in SD got it. The ethical path also the best one. Hmmmm. Something to that...

48

But when is somebody going to create a freeze ray?

Just curious. No particular reason I'm asking.

_{98°F  Feels Like: 105° Details: Dangerous heat index. Outdoor exposure should be limited.}

49 I can still killz babees?

50 49 45 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

I'm STILL waiting for the apology.

51 #47  Not sure which, but that still means that if you wanted to pay for the destruction yourself, then have at. President Bush removed our tax dollars from the carnage. This was then conflated to a total ban.

Right you are too!  I don't remember the exact numbers, but there was 2 or 3 times more private money going into adult stem cells than embryonic stem cell research.

52 Big whoop, under Obamacare there won't be enough money for 'individual' diagnosis and care.  Ask Berwick about that.

53 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

Don't get me started.

54

Adult stem cells are my only hope of circumventing my principles

And yet it's sort of like aborting adults. Which might* be aborting my principles.

*I've got some thinking to do, damn it.

55 I'm STILL waiting for the apology.

*cough*

56 HELLOOOOOOOO MCFLY!

57 I don't care what you say.  I'm not using any XXX rated stem cells.

58 103 million avoidable deaths from malaria, OK on that apology - but first, you will have to blow me.

59 56 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

Don't get me started.

Posted by: Margerine at August 02, 2010 03:52 PM (0q2P7)

If margerine can come, then I can too!

60 quick thought dump
1/This was expected by many, even before the controversy before the 04 election. As stated above, fetal cells are too raw and tend to turn into cancer

2/ I strongly believe, but no one can prove, that this was only made a major issue because it worked against the Republicans. The dems knew it polled well and justified their pro-baby-murder policies, and more important it made the R's look like backward zealots in opposing the use of fetal cells. This was a manufactured issue to back the R's into a corner.

3/ I have seen reported many times in the past years the success of stem cell research without ever mentioning that it is the adult cells that are providing results.

61 Posted by: 103 million avoidable deaths from malaria

Ok, now you guys are just making numbers up.

62 58 I'm STILL waiting for the apology.

*cough*

Posted by: 103 million avoidable deaths from malaria at August 02, 2010 03:53 PM (8/oOq)

At least the birds can still lay eggs? Right? I got that right didn't I?

63

This is pretty old news.  It is one reason why Michael J Fox and Christopher Reeves' wife were known jackasses (to those who knew the tuth) when stumping for embryonic stem cell research.  None of these people mentioned adult stem cells and the progress made in that area.  It was and is all a sham on their part in a crusade to make embryonic stem cells the be all and end all of medical research.  When they started their stumping, my family and I were outraged that they couldn't even tell the funking truth.  And using + exaggerating MJF's disease to perpetrate this myth is despicable.  It does a disservice to others who are struggling with Parkinson's.

bastards.

64 Come to me, my children, and I will give you flavor.

65 Maybe they can use aborted fetuses to prove global warming. Look, they need all of the help they can get. (And yes I, like Barry, rhetorically use "they" as if were our secret.)

66 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

67 Government funding of embryonic stem cells was always about getting the government to fund research that didn't have to come out of their own pockets.  And if the cells are universal, and don't belong to an individual, they can be patented and marketed as drugs.  Who can sell you your own cells?

Follow the money.

68

This was then conflated to a total ban.

Yeh, that's such a favored tactic by the left and it just makes them look so ignorant.

Rudy Guiliani BANNED obnoxious art and Bush made women have babies so there wouldn't be any stem cells!!1!

Um, no.

69 I swear I've seen wild birds eating fish fillets

70 I am not the most religious person in the world.... but do you honestly think that a loving G-d would provide the key to a longer and better life for the afflicted on piles of aborted embryos?  I don't. 

71 71 When do I get to rub some stem cells into my scalp and get a full head of hair back?

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at August 02, 2010 03:57 PM (IhHdM)

Where can I get some stems cells to rub on my groin to get my cojones back?

72

Wonder how happy the voters on California's Prop 71 back in the salad days of 2004 are about this news?   Those morons actually voted for 3 BILLION in state funding, over a 10 year period,  for embryonic stem cell research?  

I read recently that Obama's FDA is now going to allow human testing with embryonnic stem cells ... straight from rats to humans...with no other animal studies in between.

What could possibly go wrong? 

 

 

 

 

73 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

Posted by: denny crane at August 02, 2010 03:57 PM (I+7Zv)

Your existence is based upon your mother going into monkey cages and smearing banana pudding on her snatch. Doesn't make that right either.

74 Hey, at least it's off me now...

75 This is just a sideshow to the abortion debate. Always has been.

76 Remember when McFly didn't take his meds to look more pathetic?

77 Your existence is based upon your mother going into monkey cages and smearing banana pudding on her snatch. Doesn't make that right either. Posted by: Blackford Oakes at August 02, 2010 04:00 PM (w9BEi) Did not need that mental image. DID. NOT.

78

Government funding of embryonic stem cells was always about getting the government to fund research that didn't have to come out of their own pockets. 

Oh, there were also people who were trying to show that abortion was good, too, in some sort of way. And to paint those religious righties as anti-science.

Narrative!

79 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

Man.  Two weeks at the beach.  That was great!  What's up guys?

80 O/T:  "breaking news on CNBC"  Geithner saying the banks need to hold more capital.

81
It doesn't fucking matter. None of it does. It's over. All of it is over.

"In every era there are only one or two moments when nations come together and reach agreements that make history, because they change the course of history. Copenhagen must be such a time. There are now fewer than 50 days to set the course of the next 50 years and more.

"If we do not reach a deal at this time, let us be in no doubt: once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement in some future period can undo that choice. By then it will be irretrievably too late."

Gordon Brown, October 20, 2009.

286 Days Ago.

82 I swear I've seen wild birds eating fish fillets

Posted by: Rachel Carson at August 02, 2010 03:57 PM

Are you sure they weren't Fish Dicks?

83 so now that it is unlikely we will have money to fund technology, will this discovery be picked up by countries that drop nhs ?

84 72 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

Irrelevant...It could have been done with adult cells too.

85 but do you honestly think that a loving G-d would provide the key to a longer and better life for the afflicted on piles of aborted embryos?  I don't.

Since life is less of a reward and more of a test, with our final state of being in the beyond, sure, this is just the sort of moral dilemma he might choose. A big fat NO right in the middle of the whole dang show though seems to make it more of a lesson than a test. That of course assuming I can call the big man's play, which I can't. It just makes all those folks who were adamantly using the the word "science" to justify the immoral, look very very stupid.

86 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

Posted by: denny crane at August 02, 2010 03:57 PM (I+7Zv)

Could you get us a couple of links verifying that?

 

87 Gordon Brown, October 20, 2009.

286 Days Ago.

THE END IS NIGH!!!!  _Again

88 72 of course all of the current work is based upon the original embryonic work

Posted by: denny crane at August 02, 2010 03:57 PM (I+7Zv)

You got 'em now dude!!!

89 That headline is old news, and the FISCAL reason to block all tax funding for embryonic stem cell research. Glad to see it revisited, as people are horribly hard headed in favor of mutilating initial human life.

90 65 Posted by: 103 million avoidable deaths from malaria

Ok, now you guys are just making numbers up.

Posted by: Zombie Walter Duranty at August 02, 2010 03:55 PM (w9BEi)

Speaking of numbers, how many underage prostitutes (provided by Stalin) were worth our lives?

91

denny, abort you children for the greater good?

social, economic and science?

92 O/T: "breaking news on CNBC" Geithner saying the banks need to hold more capital the F-CK they do!

93 your fickle friend, the summer wind at August 02

I have been getting an early fall breeze here in the Golden State, so you can just shove that bs where the global warmer don't shine.

94 So, in the span of 2wks, we've not only discovered that God cares for the environment, but that He also protects the innocent unborn. Who would've thought?

95 Posted by: Zombe J M Keynes at August 02, 2010 04:05 PM (2w7HE)

didn't you get the memo, we're moving away from your model, sort of creating our own, we'll be famous I tell you, famous!

96 101 O/T: "breaking news on CNBC" Geithner saying the banks need to hold more capital the F-CK they do!

Posted by: Zombe J M Keynes at August 02, 2010 04:05 PM (2w7HE)

Geithner acted stupidly.

97 Die evil sock.

98 106 Die evil sock.

No.

99
Let us be in NO DOUBT.

Doubt is not allowed.

Doubting is hereby unlawful.

100 My bad.

101 89 Remind me what happened to him again? Thrown out of 10 Downing on his @ss?

102 So, in the span of 2wks, we've not only discovered that God cares for the environment, but that He also protects the innocent unborn.

Wait till the election.

103 "SEC Probing Disclosures And Potential Insider Trading At BP Amid Oil Spill"

104 My bad.

Posted by: Nietzsche at August 02, 2010 04:09 PM (w9BEi)

You're dead.

105 THE END IS NIGH!!!!  _Again

Posted by: Gaian Zealot at August 02, 2010 04:04 PM (5aa4z)

It's Ben & Jerry's for me then.

106 I don't see how this helps Michelle's fat children.

107 @24 "It would seem to me that a beating bladder would actually be somewhat of a...liability." First time in weeks I've laughed out loud at a moron-comment. It figures it would involve bodily functions.

108 Can stem cells turn my penis into a vagina?

109 112 "SEC Probing Disclosures And Potential Insider Trading At BP Amid Oil Spill"

I was interested about the Peter Sutherland thing until I read "member of the Trilateral Commission". It was at that point my eyes glazed-over.

110 111 So, in the span of 2wks, we've not only discovered that God cares for the environment, but that He also protects the innocent unborn.

Wait till the election.

Posted by: God at August 02, 2010 04:10 PM (5aa4z)

Wait till the abortion.

111
hahaha, that would be a great Ben & Jerry's flavor...

The End Is Nigh!!!

112 Does this mean OJ was really guilty?

113
Carbon Crunch!

114 The future is in hippie stem cells.

115
Greenhouse Gas-shew!

116 124 The future is in hippie stem cells.

I heard that the organic hippie stem cells were way better for you?

117
Mint Chocolate You're A Terrible Person If You Don't Believe In Global Warming!

118 Killing babies is a noble path, especially so they can be harvested for their tasty stem cells.  Who wants to be burdened with a kid anyway?

119 Where can I get some stems cells to rub on my groin to get my cojones back? You sure you want to try that, Barry? External ovaries are prone to infection...

120 Mmmmm.....Dana Perino......

121 Hey I'm new to the club. Where do I sign up for my day in the sun and guaranteed tormenting of the public over nothing?

122 I heard that the organic hippie stem cells were way better for you?

Since they never look for a job, I doubt it.

123

i believe all the embryonic cells needed for science should come from the left, sanger and ginsburgs descendants first.

They should be happy to contribute to science

as for global warming same deal. Gore, should walk and live in a hut for the greater good, show us all how sincerely He cares.

124 Removing the liver out of a live hobo is always your cheaper alternative.

125

Anthropogenic Hot Fudge Sundae

126

Adult stem cells are my only hope of circumventing my principles

And yet it's sort of like aborting adults. Which might* be aborting my principles.

*I've got some thinking to do, damn it.

Posted by: dum blond at August 02, 2010 03:53 PM (gbCNS)

Not so fast...

127 Why, it's almost like "scientific consensus" over the last 50 years is all politics and no science.

Related: Insty linked to the New York Times smacking down science blogs for largely being zero science and 100% lefty hipster douche-advocacy (and yes, Pharyngula was the star of the show).  And then they recommended people read Watts Up With That instead.  That's gonna leave a mark.

128 OT: RIP Mitch Miller dies at 99.

129 Possible deal to buy Newsweek.

Dude buying is the husband of Rep. Jane Harman.

So, yeah.

130 Damn I've been writing about this for three years now. There's almost nothing that's ever come from embryonic stem cell research, you can get the same characteristics of stem cells from adult stem cells, and almost all tests of embryonic stem cell treatments have caused tumors, uncontrolled seizures, and worse.

Yet anyone who opposes mincing up unborn babies and using them to help adults live longer is a monster. What a freakin' world.

131
speaking of ice cream stuff...

the Frappes at McDonald's are most excellent. Especially for only $2.

132

"Since they never look for a job, I doubt it."

Cellular unemployment reaches a record high.  Appendices and male nipples hardest hit.

133 Possible deal to buy Newsweek.

Dude buying is the husband of Rep. Jane Harman.

So, yeah.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 02, 2010 04:27 PM (IkEhE)

Allegedly, the price is less than you could pick up a copy for at the new stand.  brilliant business decision going moonbat, guys.

134 Palestinian stem cells are the best.

135

Allegedly, the price is less than you could pick up a copy for at the new stand.  brilliant business decision going moonbat, guys.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 02, 2010 04:29 PM (xxgag)

Given the buyer, I doubt that matters.  The last pretenses will pretty well evaporate now, and it will be moonbattier than ever.

Le sigh.

136 shocked I TELL YOU, JUST SHOCKING.

137 As I remember it, the Bush "ban" was actually a lifting of the total ban on federal funding that had been in place. Bush lifted part of the funding ban so that research on the existing lines could be funded.

The "ban" nonsense is just more lefty myth-making.

138

@141 - the con is having the doofus behind the counter hand you your order and say, "Here's your Frappy."

139 Just reported: Newsweek was sold for $1.  Seriously.

140 53 49 45 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

I'm STILL waiting for the apology.

Posted by: DDT at August 02, 2010 03:50 PM (IkEhE)

Don't forget me!!

141

I was reading the debate about embrionic stem cells being used and how they are gathered from abortions. At least a good amount are. I also was reading the amount of abortions done in the United States and I realized there is a basic flaw with the idea of embrionic stem cells gathered from abortions. When people get sick, and need blood or an organ or anything, they need to have a near perfect match with whatever donor is giving the patient something. This simple understanding that we have had in medicine has been "common sense" since the dawn of the modern medical age. Thats why adult stem cells are so valuable. You're a perfect match for yourself, everytime. Now, with embrionic stem cells taken from abortions(which is the big debate anyways), you simply have to look at who gets abortions. Not to be a racist, but blacks make up 11% of our population but have more than 35% of abortions, the majority of the elderly are white or half white people. There are hundreds of diseases and littereally millions of DNA strands that are different just because of skin difference, and although most transfusions such as a heart transplant is perfectly safe from a black donor to a white patient, I have never had much faith in say a black donor's stem cells regrowing a white person's blue eyes or blonde hair. Or a black person's risk of sickle cell being completely regrow(going against natural evolution) and forcing it to never have that problem with a seinor. Or a white person who is much more likely to develop parkinsons be able to donate to a person who simply can't accept it. Adult stem cells should be the only thought of how to move forward, the records and the added safty from knowing the entire structure of the donor(the patient) is proof that any other stance is not done in the name of science, safety, or for the chance of a longer and healthier life.

142
actually, they pronounce it frah-pay.

i say frap.

143 I believe Moron Nation should buy Newsweek.

I mean we should be able to land it for a couple of bottles of Val-U-Rite and whatever the Ewok has stashed in the shoe box.  Key word:  "whatever."

144
Newsweek, icon of liberal think will be redesigned and revamped and renamed Mechanic Illustrated so as to appeal to those republican NASCAR fans, mid America farmers, and Larry the Cable Guy fans.  Get ur done!

145 149 Just reported: Newsweek was sold for $1. Seriously. Posted by: Ian S. at August 02, 2010 04:32 PM (p05LM) To get it into the hands of a friendly leftist, no doubt. It's like selling your old car to your son of $1.

146   And then they recommended people read Watts Up With That instead.  That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 02, 2010 04:25 PM (p05LM)

Yeah, and the 'compassionate, open minded' among us went ape on her.

147 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.



Tell me about it.

148
hahaha, think of it this way: some asshole just bought the rights to sign that dried up old prune's, Eleanor Clift, paycheck.

149 Here's the link on the dollar sale.

150 I've known about this for years.  The liberal screwball media has been downplaying this angle just to bash Bush and conservatives as being anti-science.  They are the ones who have been anti-science AND anti-ethical.

151 They were wrong about me as well.

About me too.

Tell me about it.


You guys have no idea.

152
yay, I get to pay Jon Meecham's salary!

Harman is a sucker.

153
Sidney Harmon, husband of Jane Harmon has announced his intent to convert Newsweek into a Bondage & Discipline periodical which is more in keeping with democrat family values.

154 to appeal to those republican NASCAR fans, mid America farmers, and Larry the Cable Guy fans.  Get ur done!

Posted by: Fish at August 02, 2010 04:34 PM (v1gw3)

The correct term is NASCAR retards.

155 Possible deal to buy Newsweek.

Dude buying is the husband of Rep. Jane Harman.

So, yeah.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 02, 2010 04:27 PM (IkEhE)

Allegedly, the price is less than you could pick up a copy for at the new stand.  brilliant business decision going moonbat, guys.



I'd buy that for a dollar......

156 Eleanor Clift

Shudder.

157 Iowahawk on Twitter: "Actually I think the guy who bought Newsweek for $1 got a bargain - Jonathan Alter's combover is worth at least $2.50"

158
you think Harman gets her husband a lot of government contracts?

159
Eleanor Clift~

The Original Shrew

160 To get it into the hands of a friendly leftist, no doubt. It's like selling your old car to your son of $1.

Posted by: joncelli at August 02, 2010 04:34 PM (RD7QR)

It was sold to Rep Jane Harmon's husband.  As Rush said, you can now say they're owned by the Democrat party.  Literally.

161 Newsweek sold for $1 to the husband of a Dem congresswoman. That's OK.

Sale to Newsbusters turned down, because of ideological grounds. Not OK.

What's the over on the difference between the Harman sale price and the offered Newsbusters price? 7 figures? Better take it.

This is why they fail. They have no idea how to run a business.

162 At some point, we have to get Iowahawk a talk show gig or something.

163 Not to get too tinfoil-hatty, but does anyone know the score on caloric restriction? Allegedly the big immortality chasers like Kurzweil are fans, but I can't help wondering that the hype is from the social engineers to get us used to the inevitable collectivized farms.

164 I'd buy that for a dollar......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 02, 2010 04:38 PM (P9+0W)

I'll blurt that out from time to time.  Most people look at me like I'm nuts.  Worse than normal, that is.

165 Newsweek was sold for $1.

One dollar, plus a mountain of debt.

166
It's not about business, Jay.

It's about journalism and protecting the fourth estate propaganda.

167 This is why they fail. They have no idea how to run a business.

Or they're betting that Obama's going to bail out the media and that they won't be screwed like the GM and Chrysler bondholders because they're liberal.

168

Evil Corporate Nonpareilialism.

169 Water, water, everywhere

Not so fast there we're not done with you yet.

170 Glad to hear that the successes are STILL in adult stem cell arena.  As a member of a pro-life organization, we've been telling people this sort of thing for 10-12 years already... maybe longer.

The creepy fear I have is that this has more to do with someone's agenda down the slippery slope to be able to kill living breathing (already born) infants some day as they 'harvest' what they want. Maybe I'm wrong, but I simply don't understand a mind that would continue to hide the truth.

171
The surge in Iraq failed, but Newsweak will survive!

172 177 Not to get too tinfoil-hatty, but does anyone know the score on caloric restriction? Allegedly the big immortality chasers like Kurzweil are fans, but I can't help wondering that the hype is from the social engineers to get us used to the inevitable collectivized farms. Posted by: Blackford Oakes at August 02, 2010 04:41 PM (w9BEi) I'd like some backstory on this, like what caloric restrictions and what it has to do with the singularity.

173
I'll wait to hear what Goofus & Galant have to say about this.

174

OT While AP gets Helen Thomas old seat (ewwww), Fox get front-row seat. rofl at liberal heads popping at this one.

175 3 Water, water, everywhere

Not so fast there we're not done with you yet.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 02, 2010 04:42 PM (tf9Ne)

Did you see the Penn and Teller episode where they sent a woman to some dipstick lefty rally, to sign a petition to ban DiHydrogen Monoxide?  And they got TONS of people signing it?

176 Not to get too tinfoil-hatty, but does anyone know the score on caloric restriction?

Less calories mean less free radicals, so less cellular damage.  The longer average lifespan of Asians are keyed around an average 1800 calorie diet (supposedly).

That's one take.

My take?

Totally stolen from George Carlin:  "Eat right.  Stay fit.  Die anyway."

177
Sitting in Helen Thomas' seat would be like living in a liberal Blue Fart Cloud after all the squeakers the old woman cut.

178 I'd like some backstory on this, like what caloric restrictions and what it has to do with the singularity.

Posted by: joncelli at August 02, 2010 04:43 PM (RD7QR)

From what I understand, the two aren't related.  But Kurzweil believes the restriction leads to a longer (and far more boring) life.

179
Can one put a price on bringing full-blown socialism to the greatest nation in history?

No.

Profits mean nothing to these ideological zealots.

180 The creepy fear I have is that this has more to do with someone's agenda down the slippery slope to be able to kill living breathing (already born) infants two-year-olds some day as they 'harvest' what they want. Maybe I'm wrong, but I simply don't understand a mind that would continue to hide the truth.

Posted by: Cathy at August 02, 2010 04:42 PM (JtKsy)

FIFY

181

"i say frap."

No foodstuff should *ever* be a single letter away from a self-love colloquialism.

182
I take it you never had pulled pork?

183
you wanna ban those Oreo knockoffs???

184 Here's hoping the 92 year-old buyer gets cranky one day and sells it to Rush for $10.

185

It was NEVER about cures.

 

It was ALWAYS about justifying the philosophy of abortion, euthanasia and the Culture of Death.

 

ALWAYS.

186 Water, water, everywhere

Not so fast there we're not done with you yet.

Oxidane; not Di-Hydrogen Oxide, not Di-Hydrogen Mon-Oxide, not Hydroden Mon-Oxide.

The correct "technical" name for the chemical commonly referred to as water, ice, or steam depending on phase, is Oxidane.

187

"i say frap."

No foodstuff should *ever* be a single letter away from a self-love colloquialism.

fwap?........ frop?

 

188 Downsized, imagine the fierce stares in west wing between Michelle "let them eat dry bread" Obama and John "Die faster" Holdern

189 Here's hoping the 92 year-old buyer gets cranky one day and sells it to Rush for $10.

Posted by: Jean at August 02, 2010 04:51 PM (T5t8M)

Meh, Rush wouldn't buy it. It's a loser. Very few people are going to pay for an opinion magazine. You can get all you want for free both on the left and right.

Harmon just bought a $30,000,000 a year liability that serves only to preach to the choir. It's a dumb move.

190 Newsweek sold for $1 to the husband of a Dem congresswoman

I thought we were all socialists now? Huh Newsweek. How's selling that American Socialism working out for you? Just flying off the stands?

191 Here's hoping the 92 year-old buyer gets cranky one day and sells it to Rush for $10. Posted by: Jean at August 02, 2010 04:51 PM


Ummmmmmmmm Ahhhhhhhhhhh, that would emmmmmmm be like ahhhhhhhh a 3000% profit!

192

Meh, Rush wouldn't buy it. It's a loser. Very few people are going to pay for an opinion magazine. You can get all you want for free both on the left and right.

Or, if you really want to pay for an opinion, you can just get married. Then, you can pay, and pay, and pay.....and the opinions just keep coming.

Posted by: Mallamutt

You shall pay dearly for that sweetums

193 robtr - just the publicity value of burning down the name would be a victory in the media wars.

194

hahaha HAHAHAHA!

America is Back!

195 hmm, actually the correspondence and email files full of message coordination with lefty pols would be interesting.

196 Rush would turn Newsweak into a profitable venture.  He'd start by firing everyone that is now associated with that rag and start from scratch.

197 Bad Crazy Denialists!!11!!!

It's SCIENCE, and SCIENTISTS say rip out the fetus so I can find the ultimate male dandruff treatment

198

76 I am not the most religious person in the world.... but do you honestly think that a loving G-d would provide the key to a longer and better life for the afflicted on piles of aborted embryos?  I don't.

This could not have been written more beautifully. These are the things that libs put their fingers in their ears and ignore...lalalalalala. Sickening. Also, think about the billions and billions for abortions and infertility treatments when it could all be solved with adoption.

199 214 hahaha HAHAHAHA!

America is Back!

How is Newsweak not like Pravda?

Pravda journalists were forced to report propaganda - Newsweak journalists do it at their own volition. 

200

So Nancy Reagan left the reservation because:

A. Ronnie wasn't around to steer he eratic thought process

B. Her horrible children got to her

C. She was vunerable due to her nursing her beloved husband

D. She missed the spotlight

E. She actually believed this shit and didn't see it for what it was even after having lived with RWR for years

F. She's old as dirt

201 hahaha HAHAHAHA!

America is Back!

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at August 02, 2010 05:02 PM (uFokq)

Haha.  Smart people can make money.  Newsweek can't make money.  What does that tell you?

202
you gotta love the upper right-hand corner of that newsweek cover

203 robtr - just the publicity value of burning down the name would be a victory in the media wars.

Ever since the We're all Socialist cover, I have so looked forward to pissing on their grave. So much so I'd make an all day event out of it, invite friends, and bring a keg of high PQ (Piss Quotient) beer like Icehouse or PBR, just so I could enjoy doing it again and again.

204

hahaha HAHAHAHA!

America is Back!

WTF?  Do they print that ridiculous thing in the oval office?

"Hate on the right"?  --  fuck yeah I hate em.

205
They're not even trying to be subtle anymore.

Obama is awesome!
NEWSWEEK
Republicans are evil.

206

Haha.  Smart people can make money.  Newsweek can't make money.  What does that tell you?

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 02, 2010 05:06 PM

1. Start a liberal magazine
2.
3. PROFIT!

207

For two dollars, I can have Jonathan Alter buttfucked by Lady Ga-Ga.

Such a deal...

208 Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Bush "ban" on embryonic stem cells not a "ban" at all, but rather the first time the federal government shelled out any cash whatsoever for the study of ESC?

In other words, before Bush "banned" federal money to study ESC, there was no federal money, and after the "ban," there was?

Can someone please have Bush "ban" me from having sex with the contestants for the upcoming Miss Universe?

209
fartmonkey, have you met Truck Monkey?

Maybe you two know each other? Perhaps you flung poo at each other, some time.

210 This just proves that 92 year-old rich guys should give up, marry big-titted strippers and die during sex.

211 1. Start a liberal magazine
2.
3. PROFIT!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 02, 2010 05:09 PM (yQWNf)

More like

1. Take a profitable popular center left news magazine. 

2. Make it into a hard left propaganda opinion rag.

3. ????

212 What's the over on the difference between the Harman sale price and the offered Newsbusters price? 7 figures? Better take it.

This is why they fail. They have no idea how to run a business.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at August 02, 2010 04:40 PM (UEEex)

Since The Washington Post Company is publicly traded on the NYSE, if the managers passed up a substantially more lucrative offer from NewsMax on ideological grounds, they've opened themselves up to a shareholder suit.  Their fiduciary responsibility is to their shareholders' financial interests, not to the Democrat Party.

213 OT:  Today Alaska.  Tomorrow the world!

214 It's had to have been done already, but if not someone needs to photoshop that America's Back Newspeak cover into one of those old photos that juxtaposed evil_corporate_propaganda billboards with hard times.

215 If I remember correctly W did not ban federal money for stem cell research.  What he did do was ban new (future) batches of stem cells for such studies.  I remember watching his address from his ranch in TX and thinking to myself, Geez I'd bet that the founders of our country never imagined that a future president would have to make these type decisions.

216 Since The Washington Post Company is publicly traded on the NYSE, if the managers passed up a substantially more lucrative offer from NewsMax on ideological grounds, they've opened themselves up to a shareholder suit.  Their fiduciary responsibility is to their shareholders' financial interests, not to the Democrat Party.

Oh that would be too cool.

217 Since The Washington Post Company is publicly traded on the NYSE, if the managers passed up a substantially more lucrative offer from NewsMax on ideological grounds, they've opened themselves up to a shareholder suit.  Their fiduciary responsibility is to their shareholders' financial interests, not to the Democrat Party.

Oh that would be too cool.

Even better, once the sale is final. Harmon turns and sells the Newsweek name to Newsmax for a profit, then dismantles the company.

218 Since The Washington Post Company is publicly traded on the NYSE, if the managers passed up a substantially more lucrative offer from NewsMax on ideological grounds, they've opened themselves up to a shareholder suit.  Their fiduciary responsibility is to their shareholders' financial interests, not to the Democrat Party.

Oh that would be too cool.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 02, 2010 05:17 PM (0q2P7)

I'll be in my bunk.

219 The only American publications worth reading are The Washington Times, Investor's Business Daily, & The Wall Street Journal. Otherwise, you'd be better-off reading about our affairs in The Times of London or another foreign paper.

220 This sort of makes sense.  Fetal stem cells represent stem cells at the beginning of development, the undifferentiated of the undifferentiated.  Adult stem cells, on the other hand, have gone through the "growing up" process and more closely represent potential functional tissue albeit undifferentiated. 

There were indications of this years ago when the "stem cell" debate was raging and the technology eventually made extracting and duplicating adult stem cells considerably more efficient than harvesting at an abortion clinic.  I find it difficult to believe some of the proponents of harvesting "fetal stem cells" didn't know this.

You don't suppose they were hiding another agenda behind all their care and concern, do you?

221 This sale gives the staff more time to fax their resumes to George Soros.

222

but does anyone know the score on caloric restriction?
'Rat studies' prove that a severely restricted diet increases their life span. A longer wretched existence. Probably going to become the cornerstone of the ObamaCare program.  - Posted by: Downsized Upscale at August 02, 2010 04:52 PM (IhHdM)

Anyone here ever read The Great Starvation Experiment by Ancel Keyes (yes, THAT guy - this was before he went on his low-fat kick)?  Apparently some CI's volunteered to be guinea pigs on the effects of starvation on the human body.  It was initially done to figure out the best way to re-feed the massive numbers of starving people after WWII without killing them with kindness.

REALLY interesting results - you can see similar effects with today's dieters.  Dr. Keyes and his associates really wrestled with their consciences, because they didn't realize how early starvation takes a toll on the human body and the mind.  These men were "starved" on 1500 calories a day for a couple of months, which was significantly more food than a lot of Europeans had been getting for a much longer period of time. 

And maybe it's just me, but if Big Brother makes us all cut calories to extend our lives, doesn't that defeat the purpose of Dr. Berwick's "fantasy"?  I mean, after all, everyone knows that the largest amount of money is spent on the oldest people, right?

Why not just let us all gorge to our hearts' content, and we'll all die fat and happy?  I'd be willing to bet we'd all be healthier and live longer to boot...... 

223

For all the emotional debate that began about a decade ago on allowing the use of embryonic stem cells, it's adult stem cells that are in human testing today.

Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Pope, banned fetal stem research.

Without that we'd probably have the cure for cancer by now.

224

I'm amazed that Drudge has not put this  $1 Newsweak sale up in a huge headline.

This is the kind of shit he LIVES for.

225 <blockquote>Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Pope, banned fetal stem research.

Without that we'd probably have the cure for cancer by now.</blockquote>
Except that there is even less federal money going to ASC than ESC. So, Mr. Smarty Pants, since ASC research isn't as well funded by the government as ESC research, why hasn't ESC had any ROI, huh?

And since when is Bush a Catholic?

226 I thought Christoph had been banned. Is this a sock puppet?

227 Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Pope, banned fetal stem research.

Without that we'd probably have the cure for cancer by now.

No not really, cancer treatment was never a goal. But we have found a lot of nifty ways to cause cancer with embryonic stem cells!

_{In actuality stem cell research has to do with replacing injured or destroyed tissue not fighting errant uncontrollably growing tissue. As with most trolls. Your grade for reciting talking points A+ actually understanding the science FAIL.}

228 My mistake.  I meant "Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Jews...."

229 George W. Bush made the correct moral choice and was RIGHT about the SCIENCE. You know if I tell some of my Left leaning friends this, they'll just on pretending like GWB had denied Micheal J. Fox a better life.

230 Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Pope, banned fetal stem research.

Without that we'd probably have the cure for cancer by now.

Christoph at August 02, 2010 05:22 PM

Forget it, he's on a roll.

231 253 My mistake.  I meant "Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Jews...."

Posted by: Christoph at August 02, 2010 05:35 PM (VmtE9)

You just got Christiane Amanpour's panties all wet.

232 "But in the near term, embryonic stem cells are more likely to pay off as lab tools, for learning about the roots of disease and screening potential drugs."

NEAR TERM?  What the hell is that?

The losers are still full of shit and won't admit it!

233 I must renounce myself. NewsMax, not NewsBusters.

Ack. But I still wonder about the offer. Surely they didn't offer $.99.

234 NEAR TERM?  What the hell is that?

It's Libtard for
"We really have to find a way to sell this shit because if we don't we'll look like the assholes and Bush will look right! OH GOD _{(who doesn't actually exist)} NO!"

235

You just got Christiane Amanpour's panties all wet.

You just got my lunch on my lap.

236

Half of Newsweeks' assets are in water-logged Korans.

237 You just got Christiane Amanpour's panties all wet.

Can you imagine the smell in that room?

238 @262 - Yes.  Yes I can.

239 253 My mistake.  I meant "Only because Bush 43, ever beholden to the Jews...."

Wow. You managed to make yourself more repulsive and more incoherent with just one word change. I am in awe of your efficiency.

240 1) embryonic stem cells are "pluripotent," which means one cell can become many types of tissue - muscle, organ, brain, etc. Adult stem cells are already differentiated, i.e. they're already set to be muscle, or organ, or brain, or whatever. In other words, you know what the cell is going to do, it isn't going to be a surprise party in your body.

Also, it turns out adult stem cells are a lot easier to get to than they thought - they used to extract them from marrow, now they've realized they're even more abundant in body fat, and not too hard to sort by type either. They can now extract cells from your fat, sort them, and re-inject them in volume while you're still on the table.

2) caloric restriction - actual international studies on diet seem to show that any benefits supposedly from low-calorie diets are overwhelmed by other factors, especially genetics.

3) Ancel Keyes was such a shit. He was behind the whole salt paranoia that's infected the medical industry - in a major international study where he ignored most of the data because it didn't support his conclusion. The Japanese eat more than four times as much salt and don't have higher CVD or blood pressure. Turns out hypertension, like so many other things supposedly caused by lifestyle, is genetic.

4) Bush didn't ban stem cell research, didn't steal the election, we recovered WMDs from Iraq, Republicans aren't anti-immigrant, price controls cause shortages, water is wet, and when we got to the North Pole, nobody was actually surprised that Santa wasn't waiting.

241 Posted by: JSchuler at August 02, 2010 06:02 PM (yKEQc)

Just so you know, that's a froll, not a real troll. Dude's been spoofing "denny crane" and "Cristoph" for days.

242

Out here in The People's Republic of California, the Hollywood Weasel set got the voters all stirred up about embryonic stem cells and the moral, ethical and financial imperative of investing in embryonic stem cell research.  So the voters voted to blow $4 Billion smackers out the state's financial backside to do embryonic stem cell research.

 

I blame the E V I L  Boosh--and all the  assholes in Hollywood.

243

Oh, there were also people who were trying to show that abortion was good, too, in some sort of way.

Of course it's good! Any way to reduce the human population will save the planet! Which of course is why I was put here on earth, you know.

244
Embryonic Stem Cells = Tumors-R-Us

245 This is THREE year old news people. Please stop listening to old media outlets and panderers.

While embryonic stem cells supposedly "have great potential" (which has NEVER actually been documented), ADULT voluntarily donated stem cells are hard at work in real labs doing real research and actually producing cures.

That would be cures with an S you morons!

246 #38 Hie Holiness John Paul II (RIP) at August 02, 2010

Thank you and good night.

247
" It seemed unlikely to me that a big moral dilemma would turn out to be no dilemma at all, because adult stem cells were where the action was at."

Moral dilemmas become non-dilemmas pretty damn fast once you decide to do the right thing. Reprogramming existing cells is where the action is.

The whole embryonic stem cell thing was just insecure people trying to prove that they were more analytical and logical and unimpressed with ordinary morality, like a scene from a bad movie "And you call yourself a scientist!?!"

248 Rush would turn Newsweak into a profitable venture.  He'd start by firing everyone that is now associated with that rag and start from scratch.

Just burning it to the ground and crucifying the staff would save $30 million a year.

249

CELLPORT CLINIC YOKOHAMA provides breast augmentation surgery that utilizes the CAL soft tissue augmentation procedure. Adipose-Derived Cells (ADCs), which include adipose-derived stem cells, are extracted from adipose tissue that is obtained using liposuctioning the abdominal wall or thighs. The aspirated fat is known to be relatively stem cell-deficient compared to regular fat, so it is supplemented with ADCs before transplantation using aspirated fat as living scaffolds. The supplemented aspirated fat, which now contains a high concentration of stem cells, is injected little by little, layer to layer, into each breast in order to obtain diffuse distribution of transplanted fatty tissue.
This procedure will show dramatic results by increasing breast volume roughly equivalent to two bra-cup sizes (corresponds to 5.0 cm increase in breast circumference). The degree of breast enhancement is unprecedented using conventional lipoinjection procedures.
In addition, transplanted fat that survives in the breasts with a beautiful shape and the desired size will be maintained in each breast in the rest of your life with a normal aging change.

Icing on the cake..... 

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251

> "I would not have guessed this -- not because I knew anything about the science either way, but because I think the universe usually avoids making questions easy for you, you know?"

I love the way you stated this! So true, so true...

252 I'm sorry but I was informed by people that know (progressives) that adult stem cells are a waste of time and only stem cells freshly harvested from aborted babies can make Christopher Reeve walk again.  Planned Parenthood would like you to stop the vicious lies you are spreading about the success of adult stem cells and encourages you to "abort more babies" so real Americans like Christopher Reeve can be saved.

/cue Planned Parenthood employee, in scrubs, outside clinic, with one big tear running down her cheek

Fade to Black.