1

Also, before anyone starts bitching about the Coke bear, I've tried really hard for the last 40 minutes and I can't figure out how to post photos correctly.

Just imagine the coke bear is there in your mind.

2 Keep up the fight. More mischief will come to light.

3 Keep fighting.  There were so many shenanigans in this election, it's important that someone try to re-establish the rule of law, especially as it regards voting. 

4 I think he should keep at this, even if the AP has already called the race [who cares what the AP has to say?] There has been significant voter fraud in the past in races throughout the country, and this helps to serve notice that the fraud will be called. Turn the lefts tactics on them- they have called fraud on many races they have lost [2000 and 2004 anyone?]

5 A marked ballot is not a vote. Keep fighting, Joe.

6

"A Republic Maam, if you can keep it"...

In a Republic, its the RULE of Law which is important, not intent...

7 http://tinyurl.com/2epmh7c

Cocaine Bear

8 Jean mentioned the wisdom of waiting until the recurring congressional staffing ends around Dec.12 before Miller should withdraw.

So long as Miller himself stays away from interviews during that time, I don't think that Fred Thompson's criticism of Miller ruining his chances for another time  applies. 

And until the Senate Republicans kick Murkowski's ass from committee memberships, no one should be criticizing Miller for giving her a legal hard time until after congressional staffing concludes should he not let go then.

9

The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede.

 

Tell it to sore loser Murkowski.

10 Someone commented earlier that the handwriting on the ballots looked similar. Seems like people where asking for help and the poll workers wrote in the vote on the ballot. Legal?

11 The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede.

I believe they told him he shouldn't primary Murkowski in the first place.

12 I have a dog in this hunt, I sent Miller big bucks.

It's over, go home.

13 Murkowski represents the pure graft segment of the Alaska Economy.   Native Corporations, Mining/Oil, Construction.

The graft exists because the Federal Govn't owns most of the land in alaska and has permit control over most of the rest.     These guys would do anything to keep her in DC.

14 Jean mentioned the wisdom of waiting until the recurring congressional staffing ends around Dec.12 before Miller should withdraw.

i heard that too. If he keeps this delayed past that point does she lose her comittee seats? If yes, then he should concede on Dec 13 after inflicting the damage.

15 Well, I'm a long, long way from Alaska but I have to think that the Alaskan media and Merscruntski's people have pretty much guaranteed that Miller is radioactive going forward so he really doesn't lose much of anything by dragging this out as long as he possible can - especially given the serially corrupt Alaska GOP (which much stand for Grand Ole Porkers).

16 All republicans need to make the recounts as painful as possible regardless of weather they win or lose.

This pain is the only way to push for better election laws and equipment. i.e. All voters must show ID,  a paper trail for all ballots, Clearing the dead from voter roles etc.

17 If he could shave hairs as well as he splits them, he'd have gotten rid of that skeevy beard and beaten the little princess. He ran a lazy campaign. The voters have made their choice. Give it up.

Anybody who lets a write-in even get close shouldn't be given the responsibility of holding blunt kiddie scissors, much less a Senate seat.

18 Shenanigans in a closely contested election? Who knew?

19 All republicans need to make the recounts as painful as possible regardless of weather they win or lose.

Agree 100%.  We gain nothing by letting the other side cheat.

20

buzzsaw

AMEN

21 BackwardsBoy,
Go back to the other thread for a musical tribute to your new neighbors.
(Make sure you are not drinking or holding any fluids when you do so.)

22 I'm sick of this crap.

No matter how this turns out, a mockery has been made of the electoral process in that state. 

23
No matter how this turns out, a mockery has been made of the electoral process in that EVERY state. 

Posted by: Lee Reynolds at November 23, 2010 10:55 AM (/gY4D)

FIFY

24 17, So, he should give up just because you think he had his thumb up his ass during the campaign. My guess is he had no clue just how low Moopantski's team would go and just how wide and deep the corruption is in AK. I say he should keep fighting. I want the bad guys revealed. I want the law obeyed. I want the true winner in office. What do you want?

25 Did the AK GOP tell Mrvakshy that she should have accepted her defeat in the primary? I doubt it. So why should they be telling Miller anything?

26 This challenge to my divine authority shall not go unpunished!  Off with their heads!

27 Can Bristol mount a write in campaign if she is booted off DWTS?

28 What do you think? Is this a lost cause? Should Miller concede at this point and prepare to run against Mark Begich in 2014? The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede.

Keep fighting. Drag this hateful woman's name through the mud and expose the fraud in Alaska.

Someone needs to start investigating Liza Cokebear for her ties to lobbyists and her collusion with the ANCs.

There's a bunch of unethcial and probably illegal shit going on there. Time to expose it.

29 The common handwriting is probably poll workers writing in on behalf of older eskimos. Miller should concede; nothing is going to come from this.

30 i don't fault miller from running a disorganized campaign....he's not a professional candidate like murkowski....and the alaska gop should be backing their candidate ..... oh wait....they are

31

There has been significant voter fraud in the past in races throughout the country, and this helps to serve notice that the fraud will be called.

Moreover, the notion that you can change the standard after the election has started has to be eliminated as precedent.  I think he's too far behind, there's no way that he wins the election here.  This is for principle.

I'm also curious to find out who the "help" is for these ballots.  I'm quite sure that he can't prove fraud, but discovery will be a bitch and I think a number of rocks will be uncovered here.

32 He needs to keep this up so that the Senate Republicans can hold it over her head. If he can raise enough doubts about this she can be threatend with investigations if she starts to get out of hand. It is time to play rough with these scumbag Rhinos.

33

Y-not, thanks for the vid, that was great. I'm thinking that lawn workers would be a bit tougher, as they are constantly on their feet, but the added weight of the blowers makes them easier to take down.

A good marinade cures all. And I can hang his bones on the back porch as wind chimes.

34 Miller has nothing to lose. He's toast in Alaska for any future runs. Make the old cow sweat a little.

35 I say give her hell! She played games to get into the election, so she shouldn't bitch when others play games too!

36 No, Miller should not fight -- when we suspect fraud we should roll over and say nothing, because it's really not nice to complain.

37
(the lawsuit) claims that in several precincts, the handwriting on "many or all" write-in ballots appears to be from the same person, or a small group of people. It claims this is a violation of state law, which says the voter must write the candidate's name. This, however, could be due to voters receiving requested, allowable aid in filling out ballots.

Where I live if I fill in my father's ballot I'm supposed to sign it -- sorta like how your accountant has to sign your tax return as a preparer.

38

Miller should drive on.  Franken didn't quit either.  They should use every tool in the bag before being forced out.  He should show that Merconski is a tool for the special interests.

39

Mallamutt, I think it's easy to pick apart a campaign.  The security guard thing isn't as big as it seems.  Unless he issued an order, you can't blame the candidate on what security does, especially when the person in question is trying to create an incident.

Again, if he'd won, the beard thing would be attributed to his popularity, even though it is amazing how shallow voters can be.  The thing with his work suspension was Politics 101, though.  I couldn't believe his handlers didn't advise him to just get out in front of it -- release the info on a Friday and call it "old news" on Monday.

Once he realized, though, that Murkowski was a problem it was too late.  It was three against 1: The media, McAdams and Murkowski.  In a three-way race, it is always two against one.  There is a reason the third person is in the race and it's either to pull votes directly or to distract the voters.  The third-party candidate permits people who are afraid of the Republican or who have some sort of genetic predisposition against voting Republican from having to actually choose the Democrat.

Because of the way the media frames things, 3-way races rarely go well for Republicans, no matter what the nature of the third-party candidate is.

40

Where I live if I fill in my father's ballot I'm supposed to sign it -- sorta like how your accountant has to sign your tax return as a preparer.

And that's fine.  If, however, you're filling out 100 ballots, well I think I want to know a little more about that.

41

Yea - we non-professional candidates should be held to a lower standard. And we should get a handicap, like 3%, just like golf.............

We say we don't want the old professional politicians.  We say we don't want business as usual.  But we do.  We do want business as usual.

Hell, the Democrats say they want "smart" politicians and voted against the rocket scientist.

42

Quoting a comment on another forum:

“I heard on the radio that she is up by about 10,000 votes.”

The murky sen. write-in is up by about 2,150 uncontested votes - or about .80%. Then there is all of this:

**unsecured ballot boxes,

**other precincts where numerous ballots appear to be in the same handwriting,

**others where there is 100% voter turnout

**and still other precincts where the ballots were sent to the Division of Elections presorted by U.S. Senate candidate.”

**Voter intent not being applied to Miller votes, but only to murky write-in votes.

More information here also:
Former Lieutenant Governor Says Election Law Should Be Enforced

Federal Court Stops Certification of Alaska U.S. Senate Election Pending Resolution of Serious Legal Issues

Anchorage, Alaska. November 19, 2010 — Today the U.S. Federal District Court in Anchorage ordered the U.S. Senate race not to be certified until vital legal issues are resolved. The Court recognized serious statutory matters have been raised by Joe Miller concerning what standard of review should be used to count the write-in ballots. The Miller campaign has consistently held that the state law must be applied, as written. Its provisions could not be clearer: “A vote for a write-in candidate…shall be counted if the oval is filled in for that candidate and if the name, as it appears on the write-in declaration of candidacy of the candidate or the last name of the candidate is written in the space provided” and, “The rules set out in this section are mandatory and there are no exceptions to them. A ballot may not be counted unless marked in compliance with these rules.” The Division of Elections chose to ignore that clear standard and instead issued new guidelines concerning “voter intent” only 36 hours before ballot review began.

Federal District Judge Ralph Beistline in his ruling held, “In order to ensure that these serious State law issues are resolved prior to certification of the election, the Court hereby conditionally grants Plaintiff’s motion to enjoin certification of the election.” The Judge added, “

he results of this election shall not be certified until the legal issues raised therein have been fully and finally resolved.”

Joe Miller reacted to the ruling saying, “I am gratified to have Judge Beistline recognize that we have raised vital questions concerning the ballot review in this election. It is critical that these issues be resolved not only for this election, but for future ones in Alaska, as well. We are a nation of laws, and the law concerning this could not be clearer. We need the state law applied consistently to all ballots cast. We look forward to the state court’s interpretation of the relevant laws consistent with what the people of Alaska enacted through their state legislature.”

43 Did he shave yet? You know, to kind of look somewhat respectable...

44

Memo to Joe - take a pill and go fishing, it's o'er.

45 I think its probably a lost cause. Democrats hate the Tea-Party and their candidates so much its easy to see in hindsight that Miller was going to have a rough time winning as soon as Murkowski ran as a write-in. Since McAdams had no chance of winning, it was almost predestined that a lot of Democrats would cross over and vote for Murkowski just to deny the Tea-Party a victory. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I am.

46

What's with all the beard hatred?

I'm in the process of growing a mustasche (oh yeah baby, they are coming back I tell you.)

 

Anyway. I think the beard is cool. It is high time facial hair made its way back into American politics

47 OT:

Police say an "Ugly Betty" actor held his mother hostage and then murdered her with a samurai sword while screaming Bible passages "Repent, repent!" about 1:30 a.m. Tuesday @ 501 Park Place, Prospect Heights in Brooklyn. Neighbors additionally identified the suspect as Haitian-American actor Michael L. Brea, who [showed no signs of mental illness before hacking his mother] has had roles on the TV series "Ugly Betty" and movie "Step-Up 3-D." He was also the face of a campaign for the energy drink Coca-Cola: Full Throttle, according to Haiti Internet movie database website BelFim.com. 

Bible or Qur'an passages?

Not exactly a good product endorsement for Full Throttle.

Too late for Coke; he'll likely sue them for their product driving him crazy.

48

This is undercutting the most significant message conservatives are putting out just now - that Obama and the Democrats are usurping power in total defiance and contempt for the will of the people.

I was an inspector in a polling place and amongst the 400 ballots to go through the voting machine exactly one had a write in vote for any of the 15 or so offices being voted for.  One write in for 6,000 possibilities. Under normal circumstances write in votes are quite rare.

Which is why even an undecipherable write in ballot that appears to be about 16 letters long, must be a vote for Barbara Murkowski.  What other possibility is there?  I don't think people in Alaska went trudging into polling places in sub freezing temperatures on a lark to post a joke ballot.

And as for the law specifying that the write in name be spelled correctly ... if you knew how far over backwards the elections departments bend to ensure that everyone's vote counts, you'd know that law doesn't have a prayer in court. If Democrats were trying to pull this very same stunt, what would we be saying?  Miller needs to stop this foolishness. 

 

49

Joe Miller to Judge: 

I am grateful as vital questions were raised over the phonetics of Murkaka and it's root word of MurkyCow.  This has provided much clarity to the process, going forward certain parameters have now been established.  Baseline parameters sorta like a wired fence to pen in these type of situations involving Murkakas coming from MurkyCows.

And you know what folks, Gwen Ifill couldn't have said it any better.

50

I'm still disappointed in the NRSC and GOP for Miller's loss. They put up ads attacking McAdams, when they should have been attacking Murkowski.  I still believe that Murkowski wins because McAdams voters crossed over and voted for her.

The republicans and democrats should have "teamed up" on this one and attacked murkowski. When the democratic voters of alaska(or a segment of them) realized McAdams had no chance, they decided to vote Murkey.

 

51 Yea - we non-professional candidates should be held to a lower standard. And we should get a handicap, like 3%, just like golf.............black Congressional Members including Rangel...

 

52 Make this fucking bitch earn it.

53 How can any of  you all assume that it was just a friendly poll worker helping out a poor, arthritic-handed elderly to mark the ballot?

Holy shit, how naive!

How about this, a more likely cause: Friendly poll worker
pre-filled hundreds of ballots for the wizened bitch and helpfully handed them out to voters, with a wink and a nod toward the local goon standing by the door?

Your really think hundreds of voters needed help with writing in her name?

yeah, there needs to be some in-depth deposition of poll workers. And check the voter rolls, don't you have to sign-in to vote--if you can sign you name, how come you needed help "voting?"

54

41 not senator's

 

the standard is a FAIR ELECTION PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT and what the hell is the handicap that murkoski got in this election of found ballots pray tell?

 

55 The NRSC decided to fuck Sarah Palin.  They fucked Alaska instead.

56
And that's fine.  If, however, you're filling out 100 ballots, well I think I want to know a little more about that.

If there's anything hinky going on I doubt the preparers signed them.

57 "The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede."

FUCK THE ALASKAN REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FUCK THE NRSC. DID THEY TELL MURCOKESKY TO CONCEDE? NO, THEY ENCOURAGED THIS FUCKING CHAOS. FUCK THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE TO CONCEDE AFTER ENCOURAGING THIS VILE BITTER OLD SOW TO FUCK UP THE WHOLE DAMNED THING.

FUCK THE ALASKAN REPUBLICAN PARTY, FUCK THE NRSC, AND FUCK RINOS.

58 If Democrats were trying to pull this very same stunt, what would we be saying?

Generally when they pull these stunts we wind up calling them "Senator" or "President."

59
It is high time facial hair made its way back into American politics.

People love my nose hair.

60

Alaska is a tough nut to crack found in a dish of irony. 

Here we have the state that launched Sarah Palin and a supposed cavalcade of independent minded anti-gentry folks ready to take a stand.  The stand was ostensibly taken in the primary lofting Miller over Murky and then the establishmentarians hit the nitro toggle and voila we have not Miller, the rebel but Murky the incumbent dare we say RINO.

Alaska is just as much politically provential, as it is geographically.

I still say there is a place for Joe Miller. He is a nubie to the political chess game but we ain't playing chess anymore, we're into horseshoes, and the good thing about horseyshoes is that anyone can play.

So Alaska, for now, take your irony and stuff it in your ice-hole.

We'll be back.

61 how about the alaskan gop?  he was their candidate yet i don't see any of them with a broken back from helping him out....

62 oh wait.... murkoski was their candidate...silly me

63 Breaking news!  Due to the increased security risk caused by the crisis in the Korean Pennington, Janet Napolitano says that she will not rest until every three year old in the country has had a body cavity search.

64 Can Miller and Murkowshit see North Korea from their houses?

65 If he didn't have to run against Murkoqwski, McAdams and the Republican Party, he might have won.

66

Anchorage is the tail that swings the cat. It has been swelling up with left coast idiots for years, much like Seattle.

As far as the recount, I think Miller should tear the issue into two parts, fold each part until it is all corners, then shove one each up the ass of the GOP and the DIMs in Alaska. Both organizations deserve no less. The conservatives should do this in every suspect race. Of course that would mean every race in Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois, etc.

67 It is impossible to make any kind of an accurate comment about Miller's campaign unless you are a resident of AK, and even then it is still hard. You are totally dependent on the MFM, and primarily, the ADN which is about as corrupt as you ca get. In the waning days of the campaign I counted 7 Miller hit pieces in that rag.

This election was stolen by the MooKowPie people from day one after the primary. First they skirted the intent of the sore loser law. The they changed the rules for how the election would be ran, then they changed the rules for how the votes would be counted.

All of that w/o a single review by the DOJ when AK is currently under section V of the VRA. Of course, don't look at our corrupt DOJ to enforce that either.

Yes, I first thought Miller should save his guns for the next Senate election but from what I have seen now it doesn't really matter. The MFM will never support him and will do everything in their power to smear him. The corrupt AK Republican Party is in it for the money.

As Sarah Palin said, corrupt bastards everyone.

68 I'm ready for the Turkey Day food thread. 

69 "Defendants nevertheless have decided to ignore the statute and create 'exceptions' to count ballots that do not satisfy these clear requirements," the 21-page lawsuit filed in Fairbanks states. "By so doing the defendants have violated the mandatory legislative requirements and fundamentally altered the election."

And the problem with all that is what?

70 68 Breaking news!  Due to the increased security risk caused by the crisis in the Korean Pennington, Janet Napolitano says that she will not rest until every three year old in the country has had a body cavity search.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 23, 2010 11:36 AM (xxgag)

<Will Gibbs get immunity?

71

I'm ready for the Turkey Day food thread. 

really? I'll try to put it together. I was going to wait til later when people were home from work.

72 sheriff joe is pulled aside everytime he flies...i mean come on people....this is  is a joke...........

73 CDR M will be posting 101 ways to enjoy tryptophan and gibblets later today with a few other recipes like half baked Alaska Murkookoo prawns with turncoat gravy.

74

really? I'll try to put it together. I was going to wait til later when people were home from work.

Posted by: Ben at November 23, 2010 11:42 AM

Well, don't mess up your plans. 

I suppose you could make a "funemployed" one this morning for losers like me featuring how to prepare roadkill, hobos, the scrapings from tin cans, and treasures from McD's dumpster... 

;-)

75 Never Surrender.

76 Bwahahaha! Bwahahaha! Bwahahahahahahahahahhaha!: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/11/obama-romney-palin.html

77 What do you think? Is this a lost cause? Should Miller concede at this point and prepare to run against Mark Begich in 2014? The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede.

The Alaska Repuke Party is run by one Randy Reudrich, who has a corruption conviction on his record courtesy of Sarah Palin.  Their opinion is immaterial.

As far as Miller goes, he had Palin's old campaign team (which had actually won a statewide race in AK before) running his campaign during the primary, but for some reason saw fit to let Motherfuckabee's inept jackwagons run it in the general.  The Motherfuckabee brand of nanny-state theocrat Republicanism doesn't play well in a state like AK.  Palin ran more-or-less as a libertarian when she won (the Libertarian candidate dropped out and endorsed her) and Miller should have stuck to that model.  I disagree with Ace's assertion that he shouldn't have come out as strongly as he did against earmarks.  Palin had sky-high approval ratings at a time when she was cutting earmark requests by 80%.  What he should have stayed away from were immaterial distractions like having Senators appointed instead of elected.  It's never going to happen, so why bring it up?

He also should have gotten some of his past indiscretions out in the open on his terms before the MFM and Skeezah Murcokewhore could make a huge issue out of it.  And he probably should have avoided tweeting about measuring the drapes in DC before the campaign was over and leaking that email from Todd Palin.  Lastly, he should have asked the NRSC to stay the fuck out if they couldn't find anything to do that didn't help Skeezah Murcokewhore.

78 Hell no! He shouldn't quit.  Fight to the very end then bite em on the ankles as they drag you to the grave.

79 Hate to link to HuffPo, but a good Alaska article. http://tinyurl.com/3xv5zy9

80 Posted by: joncelli© at November 23, 2010 11:49 AM (RD7QR)

Yeah, but it's Zogby.

81

This is the gift that keeps on giving from Al Gore, whose decision to litigate the 2000 Presidential election will, I believe, go down as one of the most selfish and damaging acts in American history.   In a democracy, whatever else happens, we have to believe in elections, and we have to believe in the results.   If our guy wins, great.   If our guy loses, that's too bad, but we'll congratulate the victor and move on, hoping that next time we can persuade more of our fellow citizens.   Elections should end on election night, period; otherwise, we have have chaos.  

Maybe not now, but sometime down the road, we'll have a Presidential election that will be close.   Lawyers will descend like locusts; the losing side will cry "fraud" and say the election was "stolen."  And we will descend once again into the Constitutional abyss of having judges decide our elections for us.   Will we trust the judges?   Maybe.   We eked by in 2000.   But what if the winning candidate has been labeled as extreme or dangerous (a Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater)?  Or what if the losing candidate is a member of a minority (Barack Obama)?   It isn't hard to imagine blood flowing in the streets when people don't trust the results of an election and the lawsuit over the election.  

Republicans (and patriots) like Joe Miller ought not be participants in creating a culture of litigating election results.   He should manfully concede, and prepare himself for the next election, where he hopefully will do a better job of running his campaign.  

82 86 Posted by: joncelli© at November 23, 2010 11:49 AM (RD7QR) Yeah, but it's Zogby. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 23, 2010 11:52 AM (TpXEI) Ooops, I got so caught up in the schadenfreude that I didn't notice the source. Take it with a shaker of salt, then.

83 journolist. what's you e-mail address?

84 Meanwhile, back at the ranch...The Maine Sisters must be aware of their re-election campaigns.  They actually joined all the other Repub senators in an amicus brief challenging the constitutionality of EbolaCare.

85 OT: Remember when Ace predicted Obama at 39% approval and some of us scoffed? Well, that's his rating as of today and the trend line is decidedly negative.

86 Valu-Rite Holiday Grog?

Come on it's the holidays, Splurge and get Popov Vodka.

87 Fight to the bitter end!  If/when all else fails, then concede, but not a moment before.

88 It is important to open up the eye of your opposition and stick you finger in it every chance you get.

89

And as for the law specifying that the write in name be spelled correctly ... if you knew how far over backwards the elections departments bend to ensure that everyone's vote counts, you'd know that law doesn't have a prayer in court. If Democrats were trying to pull this very same stunt, what would we be saying?  Miller needs to stop this foolishness. 

 

Posted by: Call me Lennie at November 23, 2010 11:22 AM (GOsSG)

So the law doesn't mean what it says, just what folks think is reasonable.  Just like since a person can act sober even if his BAC is .08 courts just throw out that objective standard for the intent of sobriety of the law. Just like the objective standard of the Alaska election law doesn't withstand the intent of making sure every vote counts.  Does that make the debacle of the Florida recount in 2000 more likely or less likely? And are there penumbras in the intent that have to be considered? Is following the law as written the Rule of Law or is attempting to cast as wide a net that goes outside the meaning of the written law the Rule of Law? This is not foolishness, not standing by the Rule of Law is foolishness.

90 95 It is important to open up the eye of your opposition and stick you finger in it every chance you get. Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at November 23, 2010 12:03 PM (Ki7fm) Yes. I call it the Curly Rule. It helps if you add "nyuck nyuck nyuck" at the end.

91 This pain is the only way to push for better election laws and equipment. i.e. All voters must show ID,  a paper trail for all ballots, Clearing the dead from voter roles etc.

I will never show ID to vote. THAT my, friend, is un American. It is an anonymous balot. I sign the line by my name. If there are multiple mes signing in that will be addressed. That is enough revealing of who I am to vote.

92 61 "The Alaskan Republican Party has told Miller he should concede."

FUCK THE ALASKAN REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FUCK THE NRSC. DID THEY TELL MURCOKESKY TO CONCEDE? NO, THEY ENCOURAGED THIS FUCKING CHAOS. FUCK THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE TO CONCEDE AFTER ENCOURAGING THIS VILE BITTER OLD SOW TO FUCK UP THE WHOLE DAMNED THING.

FUCK THE ALASKAN REPUBLICAN PARTY, FUCK THE NRSC, AND FUCK RINOS.

Posted by: FreedomFighter at November 23, 2010 11:28 AM (Odul+)

Again, with feeling.

93

^^^
Replace "[]" characters with "<>".

94 We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

95 I'm mixed on this.  While we obviously need Miller in office, and the law does seem clear, how would we feel if a Dem were doing this?

There's enough stupid-ass Alaskans willing to vote Murky, whether or not they're capable of filling in an oval or spelling a damned name is another question.

Education requirements for the right to vote anyone?

96 OT but damn, I wish Jay Mohr wasn't hosting Jim Rome on a teaching day.

97

No.  He doesn't give in.  He doesn't surrender.

And for all the talk about disenfranchising voters, what about disenfranchising those who voted properly having their vote cancelled out by a fraudulent or improper vote? 

Playing nice is not a one way street. 

98 Ask Governor Rossi, current Senator Norm Coleman, wait you can't because their opponents cheated their way into office

99 RCP shows Barky's approval rating improving.

100 Miller should keep stabbing at her from hell's heart.

101

The way I recall, AK GOP - the very definition of the worst tendencies of the good ol' boy network - is what didn't support Palin in her original, foolish quest against the Murkowski Dynasty ("dynasty" = the family had owned the state - politically - for about a century), and are almost certainly not a disinterested and neutral observor here.

They're advise is likely still not worth a damn. Miller should continue for as long as he thinks justice may finally be served.

...

...and Palin kicked the Murkowski's collective a$$es, to the utter horror of the GOP's backroom Masters of Destiny.

And the AK GOP? - Fuck 'em and the horse they rode in on.

102

Rule of Law, Rule of Law, Rule of Law.  If the law is bad and results in disenfranchisement, then change the law at the appropriate time (i.e., not in the middle of an election certification.).  Follow established procedures. If the judge did not think the suit had merit, the judge is free/required to rule accordingly. The "quit, it doesn't matter" argument is specious:     

Doing the right thing is often inconvenient, messy, and futile.

But.....

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke

103 Well, I'm a long, long way from Alaska but I have to think that the Alaskan media and Merscruntski's people have pretty much guaranteed that Miller is radioactive going forward so he really doesn't lose much of anything by dragging this out as long as he possible can - especially given the serially corrupt Alaska GOP (which much stand for Grand Ole Porkers).
Posted by: DocJ

This. Everyone talking about the "next election" is delusional. With the NRSC, the incumbent, local party and media arrayed together, there is no way in Hell this guy gets another shot. He either wins or she gets smeared and tarnished, but buys the seat. Good luck explaining that piece of shit Cornyn.
Beating an incumbent is difficult; beating them twice in the same election cycle is apparently next to impossible.

104

1. Maybe rethink making the U.S. Senate your first shot at elective office. The success rate is really not very good. Congressional races are easier for handling the media, more conducive to retail politics and the district maybe a little more tailored for your political ideology or 2. Hire the Ron Johnson people.....and then do exactly every thing they tell you to do exactly as they tell you to do it....do not deviate from what they say....ever.

I agree with all of this.  The fact is that an unpolished candidate can still do well.  Even though it's Kentucky, look at Rand Paul.  Clearly a loose cannon who listened to his handlers.  Angle, who was actually a decent candidate, seemed to have a lousy campaign.  Ditto with Miller, but you really can't expect the Murky thing to work.

I think one of the problems is that these Tea Party candidates eschewed the usual Republican campaign consultants.  It is residue from the mistrust of the party that caused the whole Tea Party phenomenon in the first place.

105 What's good for the MerCOWski goose bitch is good for the Miller gander.

Turnabout is a bitch Leeza.  You should have conceded when you fucking lost the primary, but no, you figured you could win with the libtard vote fucking with the election.

Go Joe Go!

No Al Frankens in Alaska.  Send the bitch crying back to her mansion.

106

@ 98

Why not require the showing of an ID to vote up front, so the problem doesn't have to be addressed later? Catch the schmo attempting vote fraud, and haul his/her a$$ off to jail. Your way perpetuates the problem.

107 I will never show ID to vote. THAT my, friend, is un American. It is an anonymous balot. I sign the line by my name. If there are multiple mes signing in that will be addressed. That is enough revealing of who I am to vote.

Posted by: Rightzilla at November 23, 2010 12:07 PM (ujT7B)

Uh, there is no Constitutional Right to a secret ballot.... and in fact the ballot was NOT secret is most States when the Constitution was ratified.

And by not forcing a voter ID law, you are creating the conditions for the fraud we currently have in the system... which is MUCH larger than either party wants to admit.

108 I will never show ID to vote.

Next time, you will be x-rayed and sexually assaulted

109 I think one of the problems is that these Tea Party candidates eschewed the usual Republican campaign consultants.

One thing to keep in mind though is that Fiorina and McMahon listened to their consultants and still got blown out of the water by the same margins.

I think Mallamutt's point about going to congress first is a good one - voters are clearly willing to elect first-timers to the House, but they want people with some political experience and a record to go to the Senate. 

110 think one of the problems is that these Tea Party candidates eschewed the usual Republican campaign consultants.

One thing to keep in mind though is that Fiorina and McMahon listened to their consultants and still got blown out of the water by the same margins.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

Agreed. Raese was largely self financing, no one had yet accused him of being a raid tea-partier, and he was thumped by ten points. S did he run a lousy campaign?

111

The key is that the Constitution creates, and GUARENTEES a REPUBLICAN form of Government... NOT a Democracy.

Rule of Law folks....

112 Agreed. Raese was largely self financing, no one had yet accused him of being a raid tea-partier, and he was thumped by ten points. S did he run a lousy campaign?

Well, he had the 'hick' ad casting call which he never recovered from.  That and Manchin fired a gun at the Cap and Trade Bill.

113

Make that bitch have to prove every last one of those write-ins.  Go Joe.  No compromise.  No surrender. 

And indict anyone who had anything to do with trying to steal this election for Morecokewhores campaign.

114 I gotta say, I'm a little puzzled by all the comments calling for Miller to stay in the race.  It seems remarkably wrong, at this point, for him to do so.  And while I sympathize with the people who are sick with Murkowski still being a senator after all this...mostly 'cause I'm one of those people myself...we're not gonna win this one in the end, nor is there any point fighting it any further.  Best to retire from the field of play, the better to plan our challenges to Begich in four years -- and to Murkowski in six -- whilst avoiding notice.

Sure, Alaskan election officials probably shouldn't have given lists of write-in candidates at the polling places.  But they did.  And Murkowski won.  And it's my understanding that she's got the lead even if every single challenged ballot is overturned, which we all know is unlikely.  As "Dandy Don" Meredith used to sign, "Turn out the lights...the party's over..."  If you disagree, then I'd like you to seriously ask yourself the following questions:

Did you like it when Crist became an independent?
Did you like it when Specter switched parties to avoid being primaried?*
Did you like it when Castle mulled a write-in bid and refused to endorse?
Did you like it when Murkowski actually DID pull a write-in bid?

If not, then why encourage Miller to behave like them?  Someone above called on the old "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander" notion.  But surely that applies the other way around as well.

* (Of course, thankfully, that didn't turn out well.)

115 not sure this has been posted but over at redstate they have some ballot pics of the hand writing fraud going on in alaska... http://redcounty.com/content/vote-scott-mcadams-vote-lisa-murkowski if you have not seen them its surprising...

116 I will never show ID to vote. THAT my, friend, is un American. -- Rightzilla

Really?!  It is un-American to PROVE that you are who you say you are before you exercise your franchise?  Bull & Shit.

117 f not, then why encourage Miller to behave like them?  Someone above called on the old "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander" notion.  But surely that applies the other way around as well.

Posted by: Demosthenes

This is bullshit. The winner of the primary is being told to shut up and pack it in.And you compared him to four primary losers? What a terrible comparison. What you are doing is rewarding this collusion.

118 If not, then why encourage Miller to behave like them?

Miller isn't behaving like them.  Every one of those people bolted from the party for their own personal gain.  Quite honestly, I believe Murkowski would cheat to win.

Following the defeat of Norm Coleman, I'm of the opinion that GOP candidates need to be litigious and make sure there are no voting irregularities.  If our stock answer is to retire from the field and plot for the future when we lose a close election, we are ceding a LOT of territory to people who cheat in swing states.

119 Miller needs to push this until every ballot is analyzed for hand writing. We will find out that the numbers don't add up for those needing assistance. This is a total fraud of the Al Frankenbury magnitude. If and when this fails, follow the money.

120

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 23, 2010 11:51 AM (IoUF1)

You are correct in your asessment of what happened in that race.   I followed it very closely, and Miller started having problems when the management of his campaign was taken over by the huckster's crew.   Those people had as much incentive to try to make Sarah look bad as they did to win the campaign for Miller.   Maybe more.   It was a bad move on Joe's part to trust them to run a successful campaign in AK.    Sarah's people knew how to get it done, and if he had trusted them, this race may have come out much differently.

Having said that, I don't know how much good it will do for Joe to continue this fight, since the courts have shown they are willing to overlook AK law to further the Murscruntski power & the flow of  federal cash to the state.   The most laughable thing about the scrunt's win is that the money may not be flowing as much as she's promised.

http://tiny.cc/x1dxg

 

121 Blue Hen and Bevel -- I think perhaps I didn't make my point clear enough.  We didn't like Crist or Specter because they bolted from the party rather than honor the likely election results.  We didn't like Castle or Murkowski because they actually DIDN'T honor election results.  So why should Miller get a pass?

I don't like it either, but Murkowski was entitled to run as a write-in if she so chose -- and she did.  And she won.  I question some of the process of that election (namely, as I said before, the ballot crib sheets), but it's done, and short of a re-vote it can't be undone.  And there simply aren't enough challenged ballots for Miller to win anyway.  This isn't analogous to Rossi-Gregoire or Coleman-Franken, where there WERE enough ballots to change the election.  So what do we gain by continuing to fight?  If you can give me a good reason that I haven't thought of, I'm open to re-considering my position.

I realize mine is an unpopular view around here.  I sympathize with how unhappy you are.  I'm unhappy too.  It's just that I think we should be channeling that unhappiness into finding better candidates for 2014 and 2016, and in the meantime, changing that fucking stupid law that allows for defeated primary candidates to run as write-ins.

122 There is no way 100,000 Alaskans spelled Leeza's name right. Compare ballots from all precincts and I'd wager most have handwriting from no more than 100 people. Her staff and army of flunkies filled out the ballots, there's no other way this could have happened. Luckily, with much scrutiny by the MFM, the attorney general will be all over this. Right. This is vote fraud on a major scale and all those involved should be beaten, tarred and feathered, and then forced to watch The View 24/7 in their prison cells.

123 So why should Miller get a pass?

Because he's making a credible allegation of fraud against a coke-head who already had the state government change the rules for her.

So what do we gain by continuing to fight? 

We lose nothing.  I don't give a shit if Miller is radioactive after a failed attempt to take the Senate seat.  What I care about is that someone who cheated doesn't win.  If there's proof she cheated and it comes out - that's worth it and then some.

You can focus all you energies on winning the next election, but if they cheat in that one too it won't matter.

124

Posted by: Demosthenes at November 23, 2010 01:52 PM (ldS0M)

Problem is a little thing called the Rule of Law.  We have allowed questionable results to stand, and have not fought them out, and the entire election process is now suspect.

If WE don't fight, they will win by cheating... if WE don't force everyone to play by the rules, while we do, we loose every time.

There are soooo many hinky things going on in elections... that are being given a pass by the Fed Election Commision that it is eroding our confidence in the election process itself.

When in multiple elections, there are MORE votes counted in a district, than adult Population???  When there are suddenly more votes counted, than people who signed in?  When voting machines are "preselecting" certain candidates?  When in some States you can vote just by someone "vouching" for you (saying you live there with no other ID?)...

We need to clean this up.... yet the FEC, and Politicians, do not seem to care... so now the Courts are the only way to go...

125 Here's another problem. If this fight till you die mentality is allowed to hold sway, and currently it is, then Miller should keep fighting. There is no tomorrow for him. He either wins this or he's done. Unless we believe that the NRSC and the Alaska GOP are going to magically change, then he should keep fighting. Even if he loses, he has the chance to damage her so that this sticks to her.

126 @133, 134, 135:  Fair enough.  I still think our energies are better directed to closing all the loopholes in the system that we don't like -- Alaskans have six years to do that before Murkowski is up next, after all.  But I respect the difference of opinion here...and for all I know, you're right and I'm wrong and Miller should fight as long as he can.  If he uncovers something really damaging, and ends Murkowski's career, very few people will be happier than me.  And no one will be so thrilled to issue a public mea culpa.

127

you know we are either a nation of laws or we are not.  If the laws only apply to certain groups or people the law becomes useless.  the AK law was  written to prevent write in candidates.   The people and government made the determination that they did not want  to give write-in candidates an easy leg up  to preserve the 2-party system.   Now a case can be made if this is a good or bad thing.  However,  if you want to change it,  change the law  do not make the rule of law a joke. 

 

 

128 I figured that the handwriting issue might come up as soon as the loathesome ADN article about, "he's challenging these perfectly normal ballots" came out.

129 Demosthenes, there seems to be a lot of problems with voting in Alaska - that HuffPo article (see 84 above) lays out some serious problems (mismatched counts of 100K votes, sort of strikes me as significant error) that maybe Joe can help fix and may carry him to victory. No point in quitting now.

130 _dirty_/b/tard at November 23, 2010 11:51 AM (IoUF1), ah true. Then there's this. Miller, after the primary, and perhaps under the influence of Huckabee, was unwise enough to diss the popular former governor of Alaska who had helped him to defeat the Crab. That did not go down well. It showed Miller as lacking in loyalty when he hedged on whether he would support a prospective Palin candidacy.

131

I think he should go to the mat on this.  The libs keep winning because we don't have the stomach to fight.  I applaud his refusal to let the law be ignored at Dem discretion.  They'd do the same to him.

132 the democrats have cheated as usual.  this time to see that Miller, with his conservative agenda doesn't get to foul up their national agenda. 

Voter fraud

Voter Fraud

I think Miller can win if allowed to expose all the fraud, this is only the tip of the iceberg.  See #44 above! 

Contribute and help fight the corruption of the NATIONAL special interests which are stealing this election from OUR conservative candidate!

133 Don't think the Miller thing is really going anywhere, but I applaud his fighting down to the last breath of life. The Dems sure always do. Make the other side squirm a little.

134 us.   Will we trust the judges?   Maybe.   We eked by in 2000.   But what if the winning candidate has been labeled as extreme or dangerous (a Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater)?  Or what if the losing candidate is a member of a minority (Barack Obama)?   It isn't hard to imagine blood flowing in the streets when people don't trust the results of an election and the lawsuit over the election.  

Republicans (and patriots) like Joe Miller ought not be participants in creating a culture of litigating election results.   He should manfully concede, and prepare himself for the next election, where he hopefully will do a better job of running his campaign.  

Posted by: The Right Curmudgeon at November 23, 2010 11:53 AM (69ED2)

Then we might as well pack up and move now. If the other side figures out we won't challenge questionable elections, they will move to outright steal them. With Obama in charge, the DOJ will NEVER be instructed to look into reports of fraud, and the left will always win.

Frankly, if blood needs to 'flow in the streets', then so be it.

135 Even if he did lose, she's the loser and should rake her over the coals anyways. What's he go to lose (again).

136 Should Miller stop fighting? I dunno, let's ask Senator Norm Coleman.

137

Miller should keep up the fight.  There is alot more information that will come from a pile of Affidavits from citizens that witnessed fraud, including the 'pre-written' ballots....or the ballots that were filled out in many differant types of handwriting but spelled Murkowski wrong, to only have that misspelled-Murkowski with a line through it and the correct spelling written above it in another persons handwritting...and that 'other persons' corrected handwriting is on many many ballots.  Once the fight with Lisa is over, whether Miller wins or not then he should take the fight to the Alaska Republican Party.

The staff from the State Director, Randy Redriech, down the ranks to Treasurer, and Secretary....many of the Delagates have taken their position in the Alaska Republican Party under the rules and oath to 'support privately, publically and vote for the Republican Candidate'.....Miller knows, and many of the state citizens know that from the Director down they were verbally telling people to vote for Lisa Murkowski.  Both the State and National assistance to the Miller campaign was more 'saboteur, barrier, and mole like' then support for a 'Party candidate'.

There are hundreds that were told to vote for Lisa from the Alaska Republican Administration.  This is grounds for immediate removal from office.

138

Follow the letter of the law or the law means nothing.

139 If the positions were reversed, would Murkowski concede?

140 Fight fight fight -- keep fighting Joe.

141 @ 122, I'm sorry that I don't agree with you, it could be the beer. I would rather stand by a loser than a QUITTER! You're talking like Average Joe. Vic, Freedom Fighter, Phonixgirl, Surf Doc, ol-dirty/b/tard, Fistful of Yen, davis,br, Navy Guy, Tex Bob and all the above who want him to take it to the wall, I agree! I'm one of 90+ thousand that voted for Joe, I'm not butt hurt over this, however, I'm glad you're not one of Joe Millers aids.

142 87, In Bush v. Gore in the 2000 Election the SCOTUS did not decide the outcome of the Florida election. The SCOTUS ruled that the election was done and more recounts denied the equal protections guaranteed to the other States. The Florida Supremes were trying to decide the outcome.

143

Miller should keep fighting.  Even if he loses, he'll at least have made it extremely painful for a scummy career pol to win  steal.

I really like the strategy of dragging it out until Murkookoo loses her committee seats. If she wins by flip-flopping and gaming the system, she needs to suffer SOME consequences, for chrissakes!

And to those commenters who refuse to show an ID to vote--quit bitching about voter fraud because your position actually encourages it.

144 Even proving fraud does not mean they would overturn the election. How would they prove that the fraudulent votes were not cast in Miller's favor?

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