1 This needs to go viral.

2 This is vdry good, but it's our version of astroturfing, because no single person could have authored the first and second parts of the video.

3 Its already somewhat viral via HIllbuzz.

4 Blow their stench!

5 I can just imagine the types of insane and hateful comments that video will get on Youtube. I once watched some 9/11 footage on Youtube, and the comments were full of scum cheering and grading the dives people were making from the buildings.

6 Holy cow. 

7 Ah I never voted for these scum and I knew they were commie bastards from the get go

8

There's nothing like a little directness to get our point across to the vermin in Washington. Theri days are numbered and it looks like they know it, from the looks of those who aren't running for reelection or just outright bailing.

Out-fucking-standing!

9 Yeah, look if you voted for Obama you really can't complain now. If anyone is surprised that voting for Democrats means higher taxes, more spending and bigger government, they are really to dumb to vote (and quite frankly live).

I'm guessing this wasn't done by some independent who has seen the light but rather a pissed off conservative(s).

10 Needs more GaGa.

11 Saw this the other day.  Here's hoping we have someone in the GOP and/or conservative movement who has the balls to drive the message home.

12 PS:  another copy of this is up to 112K on Youtube; not sure if it's better to link to the other copy, but maybe the shock value of a big number from one copy is better?  The problem is that the one copy "had problems" being viewed a few days ago.

Does anyone know if the initial failure of a YouTube view counter to advance when a video gets lots of hits is just a bug, or does it only happen with non-Dem videos (like the Susan Rosgen thing from the summer, and this one)?

13 #2

Why? Am I missing something?

14 After the "We Trusted You" slide, they need a "We Were Total Idiots" slide.  And a "PT Barnum Was Right" slide.

15

We trusted you.  We elected you.  Well, to whomever wrote those lines; "Hey, you got a mouse in your pocket"?

I got some news for ya.  The only two people I voted to send to DC were Sarah Palin and Lynn Jenkins (we got rid of Nancy Boyda).  One made it, the other didn't. 

16 Pretty awesome.

17 Reid and the rest of his skid stained shitwads know this is it.  They shagged us for nearly everything they could get, and America is fed up.  After shooting their wads in our face, these bowel belchers still stand in front of the cameras and tell us ....we are the most transparent congress in history.  Good bye you lying bags of shit.

18 DrewM, if your comment was alluding to mine, it's not that "they can't complain; it's that "ex-lovers" of Obama are just quiet now--they're not yelling MADNESS, like this video; and the vast, vast majority of people who are now yelling MADNESS, either voted for McCain, or didn't vote.

19 I'm just looking forward to seeing how the number of views takes off now via this site.

20 Lord, that is pathetic.

21 Yeah, look if you voted for Obama you really can't complain now. If anyone is surprised that voting for Democrats means higher taxes, more spending and bigger government, they are really to dumb to vote (and quite frankly live).

Posted by: DrewM. at January 06, 2010 12:30 PM (UAnTc)

Every few years the Dems run a candidate on a moderate to conservative platform, and win - see Clinton, Obama.

And then amazingly the populace is surprised when their tax cutting, budget reducing conservative Democrat goes ahead and raises taxes and starts pissing their money away.

I really wouldn't have thought people would have fallen for it again so soon after Clinton though.

22 #13, see my other comments, supra.

23

I'm guessing this wasn't done by some independent who has seen the light but rather a pissed off conservative(s).

Right, the whole thing is kinda like a giant sock puppet rant. Still, I like the message.

24

19 I'm just looking forward to seeing how the number of views takes off now via this site

I'm just looking at how fast someone over at YouTube changes the view count to 112 or something to keep it fom th front page.

25

 "This needs to go viral"

I know they're trying.  I sent it around days ago, once there was a copy in place people could watch.

26 If the letter writers are being honest, then they are the people that make me the most angry.  They knew better (taxes, socialism, corruption...) and still they umped on the BS bandwagon and voted for "hope & change". 

They are the one's that handed the Dems the 2008 election, and now they want me to applaud their nightmarish mistake?

Or, is is this somehow to be considered "integrity"?

27 Ace, maybe you should link to the other copy?  Here's the url:

http://tinyurl.com/yhkq2j5

How soon before videos are taken down for music copyright infringement?

28 Paris,

I wasn't referencing your comment but I agree with you.

The Soviet flag? Yeah, I don't think Hillary Democrats or wishy-washy independents are dropping that bomb quite yet (or ever will). That's a pissed off conservative take on things.

The vid is fine for red meat as far as it goes but it's not going to move anyone who really voted for Obama.

29 I don't know. I have a few Democratic friends (we're in the south) who voted for Obama thinking he would deliver what he was promising and now think he's pushing socialism.

They should've known better, of course, but they're now solidly against him.

30 Whine, whine, sniff, sniff. I watched the first 30 seconds and got nauseous.

31 Didn't MSNBC's Ed Schultz call part of Obamacare socialist the other day?

32

I can't watch this at work. So what is this 2 minutes of people that supposedly voted for Obama bitching? Seriously since we are all getting fucked over by this asshole and his compatriots in Congress and in the MSM watching this will probably make me laugh.

33 Didn't MSNBC's Ed Schultz call part of Obamacare socialist the other day?
Posted by: Benson at January 06, 2010 12:41 PM (qzcNU)

He may have but if he did, he probably meant it as a compliment.

In reality, considering Schultz supports a single payer system, he probably meant it wasn't socialist enough.

34

@ 29

Even some of my musician buddies who all tend to lean left are starting to have some trepidations about The Vapid One™ now. They were all for him initially and blasted me for picking Palin/McCain. Of course, two of them have lost their houses because they've been unemployed for almost as long as I have, so that may come into play.

35 DrewM.,

Schultz said:

"And the mandate is a form, and it pains me to say this, it is a form of socialism. You can't get around it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs1jaW8Qq90

36 Mr. Pink:

It begins stating how the letter writes believed in hope and change, and so they voted to give the government to the Dems.  

Then shoocka! 

More Taxes!  Socialism!  Soaring Debt!

And now they are out for Dem blood.

It's well done, but ultimately pretty lame. 

Considering they should have known better.

37 29 I don't know. I have a few Democratic friends (we're in the south) who voted for Obama thinking he would deliver what he was promising and now think he's pushing socialism.


The most radical left guy I know(subscribes to the Nation, Union rep,Che t-shirts, wifey an abortion advisor at PP)  was drunk on New Years Eve and said he was thinking the tea partiers might be right about Obama.  He was thinking about getting on that band wagon.  I nearly fell down. 

38 Considering they should have known better.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at January 06, 2010 12:48 PM (4s1it)

Oh yeah no joke. The guy ran on a platform of "I promise you everthing and not only that you won't have to pay for it!". How the fuck can they complain when the bill comes due they ordered the freakin meal.

39 I like it, even if it is what we all think it is.  Remember a fair portion of those that voted for Obama are independents and bought the whole hopeychangey enchilada, even if we didn't.  All we need is about 7% flip in total to catch a big wave in Nov.

40 Posted by: Benson at January 06, 2010 12:45 PM (qzcNU)

That's really weird because the first video in the related videos window is this.

I think Schultz is just an ass who doesn't know what he's talking about and will say just about anything.

41

IMO - This video and others like it, need to be reposted everyday until we win. 

How will we know we've won?

When they've lost!

42 This is EPIC! And pretty damn good. And the music? Wow. I'm a fan of musical scores so I'll be doing a little research on where the song is from. Like the others have said. This needs to go viral.

43

 Rumblings from N Dakota:

 

Dorgan= Dead Meat

44

I could only stomach the first half minute, but what I watched reminded me of Boy George singing "Do You Really Wanna Hurt Me".

PS Don't tell me you don't deserve it. Deserve's got nuthin to do with it...

 

45 I suspect the video is aimed at Democrats who need to save face for being so stupid.  Hey, if it works for a percent or two, that's good.

46 Aren't there about a thousand epic videos on YouTube that go nowhere?

Pictures + text + music = You're the man now dawg.

47 FWIW, the counter on the linked copy hasn't moved since first posted. WUWD?

48 Probably want to remove the "yuppies at the Country Club" video that accompanies this one on the You Tube channel.

Horrible optics.

49 Heh - Gibbsy doing his daily presser, looks like he's in mourning.

When asked about the 2010 mid-terms, Gibbsy said "I don't want to make predictions about what will happen in 10 months".

Of course you don't - right now it doesn't look so good for your buds!

50 Come on Ace, bring the funny.

51 Hmmm..... Ed Schultz got an official ask to run for Dorgan's Senate seat in ND.
Which means Pomeroy, ND's sole House Rep, must have turned it down.
It's looking like he may retire too...

52 I'm looking freaking awesome this year.  I should start a PAC.

53

One thing people forget in all this OBAMA INCOMPETENCE, is that the MEDIA had a BUSH LIED, BUSH IS HITLER. BUSH IS EVIL drum beat for years. People will believe it if they hear it day after day after day after day.

Americans swallow pablum willingly and they were fed bullshit laced pablum for YEARS.  We had it QUITE GOOD under G.W. BUSH until Fannie and Freddie collapsed.  Liberals bitch when times are good, because those who are successful prosper. They are too stupid to understand that when the rich get richer, those who need jobs have jobs.  Liberals would rather take a bullet to the head than admit they are wrong.  DEAD WRONG.  So now were are fucked with OBSCENE DEBT, WEAKNESS and our President is the biggest liar on the planet and he BOWS BEFORE MUSLIM ROYALTY.

And libs think these are the good old days.

54 Shhh....Be vewy, vewy quiet.....I'm hunting Blue Dogs.

55

55 O/T - Report from White House, Dems are writing off North Dakota, it is lost.

Hopefully Mass. as well.  Hit Scott Brown with a contribution. 

56

30 Whine, whine, sniff, sniff. I watched the first 30 seconds and got nauseous.

Maddog's been sniffing his own asshole again.

 

57 That'll teach them! the youtube video!! is there any more potent medium of persuasion, save for the naked Sadhu's interpretative dance in India?

58 #57 But most people believe Bush must have caused the housing/credit meltdown since he was President at the time, so...

59 28 Paris,

I wasn't referencing your comment but I agree with you.

The Soviet flag? Yeah, I don't think Hillary Democrats or wishy-washy independents are dropping that bomb quite yet (or ever will). That's a pissed off conservative take on things.

The vid is fine for red meat as far as it goes but it's not going to move anyone who really voted for Obama.

Well, there were people waving the Soviet flag during an Obama victory rally at the White House.

60

30 Whine, whine, sniff, sniff. I watched the first 30 seconds and got nauseous.

Maddog's been sniffing his own asshole again.

Maybe it was you. Hard to tell the difference.

61 people thought they were getting Clinton, they Got Carter

62 #61, if the video plants the seeds of doubt, or seeds of "we were betrayed!" in someone's mind, it's a big success. 

63 people thought they were getting Clinton Reagan, they Got Carter Hoover

another way to put it

64

Posted by: ParisParamus at January 06, 2010 01:06 PM (NPtVh)

that number has fallen from 80% to 52%

65 The music was good.  Very Hans Zimmer-ish.  I wonder if the music was taken from Audio Machine.  Their music is used in a lot of movie trailers.

66 Gotta love that shot of Reid giving us the finger....

67 yeah, we need to remind the left we are coming for them

68 Clinton was an experienced AG and Governor.  Obama has no experience at anything except drugs and partying.  Look at the FREAKS Obama picked to run various departments.  Look at his choices in friends.   Look at his Pastor.    I don't think Obama is competent at anything really.  What are his accomplishments?  Getting elected has no relevance to competency at all.  Biden got elected 6 times.  Liberals don't pick people based on their ability. They pick people based on their ideology and their color.

69

Posted by: Mallamutt at January 06, 2010 01:12 PM (V9SYy)

they used the "they're just Governor's races" spin after last year's elections in NJ & VA let's see what they use this year

70 is the naked Sadhu a chick by any chance?

71 Take that fucker right there, as is, all 3:11 of it and put it on the air at the Super Bowl and anywhere else it can be aired. Every frakkin' Republican needs to put this into their campaign ads. Enough of this shit; we are in the breech and it is time to cowboy the fuck up.

72

Great trailer. I can't wait until the movie comes out. Excellent title too, "America Rising" sends chills up my spine.

73 Speaking of Nan Pelosi (D-Botox), Young Frankenstein is on right now. I'm picturing whenever anybody says "Pelosi" all horses in the nation rising up and whinnying.

74 Hey, you know what else has a ton of integrity?  Those baboons with the red asses, when they bend over and shart on you.

75 We are coming into the "One ping. One ping only, Vasili," BREACH aren't we?

76

After Janet Napolitano said "the system works" many of us started to figure out their priorities: the system DOES work for her. She continues to get all her gravy train delivered straight to her bank account without any repercussions because she understands that the First Team is trying to make nice with the Muslims worldwide. So as long as the panty-bomber was Muslim and there were no bodies raining down over the democratic precincts in Detroit that could be hung around her neck.....THE SYSTEM WORKED!!

77

Posted by: gus at January 06, 2010 01:12 PM (Vqruj)

even Clinton saw the obvious political winds after 1994 & did what he had to do as President whether he liked doing it or not and in my book that makes him a better President then Obama or Carter or LBJ, he knew the country was conservative & governed so. Obama after a 2010 Rep. win might just go in the fetal position in the oval office corner & repeat over and over again, "I still won, I still won."

78

Umm, I don't get it.

It's  laid out as "you promised us hope and you gave us socialism. Boo on you!".

Caveat emptor. The signs were there. If you did not heed them and voted for these Marxists and now you're "disappointed", well then with no due respect, you're a dumbass.

79

Posted by: Paul Castellano at January 06, 2010 01:18 PM (pLTLS)

only the informed saw the signs, he ran a "I'm Bill Clinton 2.0" campaign

80

 yeah, we need to remind the left we are coming for them

I could not agree more with your eloquent proclamation.  Matter of fact, I have tears in my eyes.  _sniff

81 This video was fantastic. The only problem was with the first part. This video was obviously made by someone who knew what America-hating imbeciles the left are and there is no way that that person voted for The Precedent. If the frames in the first part said, "you" instead of "we", it would be perfect.

All-in-all, an excellent piece.

82 70 The music was good.  Very Hans Zimmer-ish.  I wonder if the music was taken from Audio Machine.  Their music is used in a lot of movie trailers.

Posted by: CDR M at January 06, 2010 01:10 PM (cvmTR)

Good call. I should also look into X-Ray Dog and Immediate Music as well.

But seriously, do you guys think Ed Schultz would actually win the race if he were to enter? Maybe there has been some infiltration on the left by the right and this is just part of a grand scheme to have the republican candidate run against him win in a landslide?

83 But seriously, do you guys think Ed Schultz would actually win the race if he were to enter?

three words: Senator Al Franken

84 Liberty not Tranny?  That doesn't really have a ring to it.

85

that vid makes me want to grab my Gadsen flag and lock & load. 

 

86 What I like about this video is that it makes people feel safer about speaking out about Obama.  I have a couple anti Obama/congress stickers on my car and people come up to me all the time to thank me.  But they do it quietly, like they will get in trouble if they are over heard saying "I hate and mistrust Obama. I regret my vote."  Youtube videos can be very effective, if enough people see them and particularly in this case where people are actually afraid to speak up.  I've sent this to every person I know who voted for Obama, but who I suspect, or know, regrets it. 

87

Caveat emptor. The signs were there. If you did not heed them and voted for these Marxists and now you're "disappointed", well then with no due respect, you're a dumbass. Posted by: Paul Castellano

Not the best invitation to vote conservative this year. That's the point of the vid. He's trying to create a space for those squishes who voted for the O or some Dem-Dem and get those voters to turn their mistake into righteous anger.

In private if you want to piss on those voters, fine, but in public, unless you enjoy your socialism warm, you'd better consider catching them with honey.

88 65 people thought they were getting Clinton, they Got Carter a third world Benedict Arnold

Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 01:08 PM (MxqA5) There you go.

89

But seriously, do you guys think Ed Schultz would actually win the race if he were to enter?

While it is a mistake to overestimate the intelligence of the average voter, you would think that some of the shit Ed Schultz has said in the past few years would make some excellent ad fodder for his opponents.

90 I found this a few days ago at hillbuzz. Per their comments, obots were battling to take this vid down every time it was posted. Keeping this alive and all things forthcoming will drive the obots nuts.

91 I didn't elect ANY of these liberal assholes. Who the hell is this "WE" shit? The FiftyTwo Percenters? If that's who this video is calling "We", then up yours you Fucking Fucks.

Try doing your damned homework before you elect the shiny black guy, and stop re-electing the same liberal democrats back into office.

92 It's old.

93 Expect to hear alot of the "the party in power always loses seats in an off-year election".

how could they really just say that if the reps take back the house? that would be a major ass whipping

Posted by: Iskandar at January 06, 2010 01:24 PM (doEqS)

exactly, my gf voted for Obama & now regrets it. he had no clue about the signs that were there, only the informed knew and thus the moderates/squishies went for Obama. I always said before the election that if Obama were to win (as he did), that his governing will come to hurt the democrat party, it's easy to talk about happy liberals ideas then be the one who implemented them & watched them fail with the buck stopping at your oval office desk

94 Wow, that video is so totally awesome, I can hardly stand it. Seriously, I'm going to watch it several more times today.

95 he she had no clue

oops lol

that some of the shit Ed Schultz has said in the past few years would make some excellent ad fodder for his opponents.

again, three words: Senator Al Franken

Try doing your damned homework before you elect the shiny black guy, and stop re-electing the same liberal democrats back into office.

I wish this were true, but this never happens w/ voters especially the idiots who come out for Presidential races

96 So to eeyore all of this, but I can't get too excited. I remember 1994. It didn't turn out too well, especially in the long run Gingrich turned out to be a preening jackass and the rest of the GOP was pretty much useless.

We're not going to get a smaller government, and we're probably not going to get very many spending cuts. We'll just be going off the cliff a little slower than before.

97 Its not that its this video in particular, although well done, its creating a meme in particular "You Lie", but that it gets driven home over and over again.  Its not for us, we are already in the choir.  The more of it out there, the better.

98

Iskandar, I realize what you're saying, but I'm not sure who this video is aimed towards.

I mean, you can't say in one year there has been mass exodous of people that went from the hope poster to the Don't Tread on Me flags. I think it's somewhere in the middle and this video implies otherwise.

I think it's a schizophrenic video.  

99 Would one of you big shots pleeeease put up another couple of posts? I leave for a while, come back, and I still gotta see that ugly witche's face.

100 We're not going to get a smaller government, and we're probably not going to get very many spending cuts. We'll just be going off the cliff a little slower than before.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2010 01:34 PM (89RxY)

Don't worry, we are going to get smaller government (limited federal government, even) and big spending cuts. It won't be from Republicans winning and doing it, though. This nation is far too gone for that - there is no going back from where we have gotten ourselves to, now. But, there is still hope.

Secession is what's coming.

101

The LIBTARD LEFT are shitting all over this country and laughing.  They are meeting behind closed doors to hide the evidence and the bribes.  We need to learn that these motherfuckers will screw us and we need to get even.   And we will.  Obama is SCUM, pure and simple.  

102 I remember 1994. It didn't turn out too well, especially in the long run Gingrich turned out to be a preening jackass and the rest of the GOP was pretty much useless.

right, because the deficits were so horrible under that congress/sarc

103
Piss up garden hose, killjoy.

104

my 2,

i really don't know if this is a ,dem ,i feel so bad video.

look at the points> health care a dem point (single payer)

spending and redistribution also a dem draw (everyone should Get some) , just cuz some have more than others.  are mean, also dem point

tax a + if it taxes the right people.  these are all  plus's for dems

safety? while saying terrorists have rights to american judicial system?

however backroom deals, , bribes yes they would be mad

really i just don't know. i saw it on hillbuzz also a day or so ago.

105 i would add, if these dems really do feel this way, where have they been hiding. if so thank g-d you have seen the light.

106 The same idiots that voted for Obama are the same idiots that keep voting in Democrats in the north east, in Michigan, in California, in Washington, etc.  They bitch and moan when their taxes go up, their benefits never materialize, their jobs don't come back, etc and yet they keep voting in the same members of a certain party and are flabbergasted that the problems only get worse.  These same people are the same ones that believe that anonymous email from Nigeria that says they have come into a million dollars.  These are the same ones that believe they got a tax cut this year.  They believe that the next democrat will be a good one and keep on believing that while they keep getting screwed by these democrats.  These same ones believe that they'll keep their current health care or get one better now and not have to pay more taxes.  These are the same ones that turned in a perfectly good car to avail themselves of a clunker rebate and now have car payments for 5 years with no job and will most likely end up their not paid off car being repo'ed.  The school of hard knocks is in session and there are a lot of students who need educating.

107

"This needs to go viral."

Easier said than done...

108

Meh, it's a start.  This is the definition of inspirational -- and it was done by a 16 yr-old!  Kick arse!

http://tinyurl.com/ogcjd4

 

109 Disappointing that bamboozled wasn't worked into it somehow.

110

"Secession is what's coming."
109: Posted by: progressoverpeace at January 06, 2010 01:38 PM (A46hP)

Which won't be much different unless a money system based on wealth rather than debt can be devised.

111 Whats this "We" crap???

112

I think it's a schizophrenic video.  

Posted by: laceyunderalls

It may be a little but the aim is clear. It's what Ace wrote about last year in regards to the some of the O voters who normally lean right will regret their decision. That regret, to paraphrase, will not result in regrets for voting for O but anger as in "He lied to us!"

I think it's aimed at a certain slim audience that fit in this category, perhaps 5% - 7% of the electorate.

113 #115 and these are the same guys who, once they turned their state to shit, move somewhere else and ruin that state too.

114 I did NOT vote for hope, nor for change. I did NOT trust them. I knew EXACTLY what they would do when they were given this power. I and people like me tried to warn this country and this country did not listen. They fell for the bait and switch. They fell for the BS. And now we ALL are paying for the votes of those who could not be bothered to look at facts.

This video is interesting, but it does NOT speak for me. I'm glad to see those who fell for the hype are waking up, but I want a video that speaks for someone like ME. Someone who has had to sit and watch this train wreck as it ran down the hill faster and faster toward the crash.

For some reason this video pissed me off. I think its because I and those like me said all of these things the entire year in 2008 and NO ONE FRIGGING LISTENED!

And I'm supposed to believe these folks are going to listen this year? For f*&^# sake, the man STILL has a reasonable PERSONAL approval rating despite the fact that he and his cronies have RAPED this country for their own personal power. Why IS that? It's because there are STILL zombies out there buying everything coming out of his mouth.

We've got an uphill fight. A fight that is going to take SERIOUS work to win. And while I am glad to see some who voted for this crapfest are waking up, I'm not convinced it's gonna stick.

I hope I'm wrong. THAT is hope I believe in.

115 re: video - Hair. Back of neck. Standing

116 nice rant Monica. agree, we need more media coverage of truth and facts, and do something about the education  (has become propoganda)system .

117 I want a video that speaks for someone like ME. Someone who has had to sit and watch this train wreck as it ran down the hill faster and faster toward the crash.

You don't need a video.  You need a stiff drink, and some GOTV feva!

118 Notice the spin in the MSM on these rash of retirements.  They all say that this anger is directed at INCUMBENTS.  They are already trying to set the table for "new" Democrats to be excused from any stain from any legislation that is passed during this Congress.  The GOP needs to ensure that being a Democrat means pro abortion, pro health care bill, pro stimulus, pro stimulus II, etc.

119 @122
That's what I was thinking, too.  IIRC, Ace predicted that when it eventually became clear that Obama was a failure, a significant swath of Obama voters would regret their vote.  But instead of saying "I was wrong," they would take the more ego-preserving position of "He lied to me." 

120 It'd be ok if the teabaggers knew what they wanted.

I have no doubt the teabags will win. But they'll make things much worse. For example, they hate guvmint, but sure love medicare, foodstamps, and garbage collection.

Oh, and they can't possibly wrap they're brains around the fact that there is no difference between the "government" and the "free market," so that the default belief is that corporations are like the most beautiful thing in the world, and bankers are our supermen.

And anyway, they'll just vote for retards who'll betray the dungheap of teabag "values."

But, maybe we'll round up Mexicans. That'll feel good.

121 I don't give a crap who made it, or why. I just want the idiots who voted for He Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken to see it, and all of the lying liberals in Congress, too. As someone said earlier in the thread, we are in the choir. Lots of people aren't.

122 You arrogant ass, you've killed us!

123 Only took 130 posts before our first retarded troll showed up.

124 Hey look its an impotent 20 something jackass at 130!

125 malnutrition is making erg slow.

126

This was alright...for something made by someone other than DBOOTS.

*shaky footage of lens flare and other artifacts from pointing her camcorder at the sun*  ORBS!  THREE, TWO, NO THREE ORBS!  HAARP is using these orbs to keep their eye on all of us, maybe to measure the effects of their directed-energy weapons!  There are some things that can be captured only on recording equipment, like these HAARP ORBS SPYING ON US!

DBOOTS wins YouTube.

127 Oh, and they can't possibly wrap they're brains around the fact that there is no difference between the "government" and the "free market," Posted by: (YFV+t)

Heh. It parodies itself.

128

Posted by: Joe Plumber at January 06, 2010 01:56 PM (YFV+t)

lunch-time, erg?

You are such a tool, you do not even realize how you much embody the shallowness and lack of intelligent reasoning of the left.  Plus, by not holding to your own promise to "leave if you are asked," you also perfectly personify the level of intergrity that one expects of the average shithead leftist tool.

Nice work, douchenozzle.  Now eat the lunch that your mommy packed for your quickly and get back on those phones.

129 @122 Iskandar

I think it's aimed at a certain slim audience that fit in this category, perhaps 5% - 7% of the electorate.

Since we're pulling numbers out of our asses here, I say that pissing on the dipshits who fell hard for what they should have known to be lies is a better strategy.  This gives the perhaps 10% - 14% of the electorate who are lemmings a chance to pretend they did not do what they did in the privacy of the voting booth last year and contribute their yellow pints to the golden shower.

130 That can't be a real troll, can it!?

131 >>But, maybe we'll round up Mexicans. That'll feel good.


I agree. Then we can start the lynchings. Good times.

132

Well considering the Government has to tax the free market in order to fund itself but yet a free market will spring up anywhere more than 1 person gathers even under total anarchy you need to wrap your brain repeatedly against a flag pole.

133

135 malnutrition is making erg slow.

I got the impression erg announced it's presence by using the term "knucklehead" 2-3 times in the first sentence.

134

"you much" = "much you"

 

135 #131 Yeah, even if we can flip Congress, the truth remains that most people voting may still be stupid.  But I'll take the water sloshing to the other end of  the field and worry about that later...

136 Good shit, just emailed it to 100 folks!

137

It is all just a load of bullshit. "America Rising" my ass. More like America Whining. This nation is in Douchebaggicus Maximus mode. The government is fucked. The media is fucked. The economy is fucked.

The internet is fucked

The T.V. is fucked

The radio is fucked

The chicken is fucked

My attitude is fucked

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

fuck

138 http://bigjournalism.com is now up.

139 Liberals are as competent as my acting.

140
Liberals make such fine fiscal idiots.

141 @141 Dr. Spank

I agree. Then we can start the lynchings. Good times.

Heh.  Cognitive Resonance.

142 Since we're pulling numbers out of our asses here, I say that pissing on the dipshits who fell hard for what they should have known to be lies is a better strategy. Posted by: MikeO

When was the last time someone changed your mind by pissing on you?
Don't bother, I know the answer.

Again, it may feel great to get your Hulk on in the face of the election that led us to this madness but believing that spastic anger is going to get the country back on track is wishful thinking. Or rather, it's emotional thinking ... you know, liberal thought.

OODA doesn't include 'RAWWRR, DIE STUPID VOTERS!!! RAWWRR.' Odd, I know.

143 I got the impression erg announced it's presence by using the term "knucklehead"

She has many tells.  Misquoting philosophers is another.  Not to mention her hatred of Mexicans and Joos.

144 Two things:

First, it's always useful to leave your enemy a graceful way to climb down.  If you say "Anyone who voted for Obama is evil and stupid" even though it's true it isn't going to change any minds.  The stupid evil fucks just dig in.  But if you say "You are wonderful, kind people and that mean old Obama lied to you," they can agree without admitting what little shits they really are.

Second, is anyone who doesn't already loathe Obama going to watch this video?  It's certain no Democrat politician ever will.  They may assign a staffer to "fact-check" it, but I doubt it.  No Democrat will ever think "Maybe I should change my policies -- I had no idea the people didn't like what we're doing so strongly."  Instead they see videos like this and think "This is all Karl Rove and Grover Norquist's doing!  Gotta come up with some way to censor the Internets!"

145 I will postulate that if the illegals were prone to vote a hard right ticket, the leftards would show a new interest in controlling the borders and getting rid of them.

146 Crap - I'm getting those stupid refresh problems again.  Anyone else?

147 156  Yes

148 Second, is anyone who doesn't already loathe Obama going to watch this video?

Its chipping on the edges.  The instant it's safe to mock Obama as just another politician, he's burnt toast.

149 #154:  I agree that giving people who are wrong a way out is a good strategy; it's what politicians need to be able to do

And yeah, lets see CNN fact-check this video--lol.

150 I have refresh problems quite often.

151

156

No, IE-7

152 But if you say "You are wonderful, kind people and that mean old Obama lied to you," they can agree without admitting what little shits they really are.

You know, it sounded better when I called it the "prodigal son" but the idea's the same.

153 Screw it - I'm heading to the grocery store to stock up for the coming snow.  Typical southern reaction:  SNOW'S COMING, MUST BUY MILK AND BREAD!!!

154 Shanahan's press conference involved 2 minutes of kissing Dan Snyder's ass. Looks like we can expect 3 more years of shit.

155 Teabags have no idea what they want. A bunch of incoherent nonsense.

Here's what they declare:

1. hands off my medicare
2. we hate socialism
3. strip search muslims
4. restore my 4th Amendment rights
5. cut taxes
6. but, what happened to my state pension? I'm angry
7. isolationism now
8. no cutting and running, pussies

On and on.

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

But they vote (regrettably).

156 Man. I hate those runny pussies, too.

157

Preach it, Brother Andrew: "Big Journalism is staking the claim that media is now at war with one another: Big Media versus Small Media; Old Media versus New Media; Left Media Vs Right Media. You get the picture.  The practice of journalism will never be the same, and not the New York TimesÂ’s Pinch Sulzberger nor all the sniping children at Gawker and Media Matters can un-ring this bell – which, after all, tolls for them."

Screw it - I'm heading to the grocery store to stock up for the coming snow.  Typical southern reaction:  SNOW'S COMING, MUST BUY MILK AND BREAD!!!

It's supposed to rain overnight, then drop to 32 by 10am. I'm not going out tomorrow, I'm not even going to get near the front of the house 20 ft from the street! Should be super nasty out there.

158 160 I have refresh problems quite often.

Posted by: Incontinentia Buttox at January 06, 2010 02:12 PM (C39a6)

I've heard Massengill works wonders.

159 and erg's got nuthin'

160

The Democrat's plan for the USA:

http://tinyurl.com/ybxapud

161

But what really burns me about teabags is that they oppose child sex slavery and want to allow Jew doctors to steal peoples tonsils and feet.

162

Hispanics tend to vote social-conservative.  Which is what bit Prop 8 in the ass in Cali.

Usually, this fact is successfully buried while some other influence (real or perceived) can become the scapegoat Carrie Prejean.

^{Augh!  I invoked The Name!  Off to GIS up some cheesecake...}

163 So wait, is this idiot suggesting an actual grass roots group consisting of millions of people has to all have the same set of talking points? You must be referring to OFA, a "grassroots" group consisting of tens of millions of imaginary people fed talking points from Axlerod.

164 Yeah. And whats wrong with teaching a few elementary school children fisting?

165 149 Liberals are as competent as my acting.

Posted by: John Cassavetes at January 06, 2010 02:06 PM (S2NsL)

 

Ha  --  so I'm not the only one that can't stand that douchebag.

166 Yeah.... most refreshing in it's lack of tea stuff, and it's musical contempt for LOTUS. We only need to flip 8% of BO's votes...very likely?

167 Is it "teabags" now?

I mean, first it was teabaggers, but then when we pointed out that they were the teabagees, I guess they didn't like it.

So, in sticking with the vulgar parallel, we are the testicles or just the scrotum?

I guess the libs don't think things through, do they?

168 First, it's always useful to leave your enemy a graceful way to climb down. If you say "Anyone who voted for Obama is evil and stupid" even though it's true it isn't going to change any minds. The stupid evil fucks just dig in. But if you say "You are wonderful, kind people and that mean old Obama lied to you," they can agree without admitting what little shits they really are.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 02:09 PM (GQhsP)

I understand your point, but I don't think it applies in this case. First of all, letting them climb down gracefully only shows those who voted for the suicide of America that they didn't do anything all that bad by electing America-haters into the federal government to destroy our nation. Giving the imbeciles this out just allows them to feel good to do the same thing again, whenever the feeling strikes them.

Secondly, offering these people a face-saving out doesn't acknowledge the deep, irreparable damage that they have done to our nation. Things cannot just go back to how they were. Our institutions have been turned totally against our nation and our citizenry and there is no way to undo that (like a spouse who cheats and lies and does terrible things, but then changes her mind and wants to be trusted again - not possible).

Those who think an election will cure the national ailment that Nov 2008 brought to our nation are just kidding themselves. The paste cannot be put back in the tube. That irreversibility is the key and people need to keep that in mind.

In the end, this is all moot, anyway, because monetary catastrophe is headed our way and there will be no escaping it. The damage has been done and the US is going to pay for it. Those who voted for this damage need to know what they've done and they need to be given a chance to BEG FORGIVENESS for it, not gracefully climb down and pretend that they didn't level a death sentence against the US.

169

It's supposed to rain overnight, then drop to 32 by 10am. I'm not going out tomorrow, I'm not even going to get near the front of the house 20 ft from the street! Should be super nasty out there. -

Mama, I've got this tiny violin you see, and ...

It's snowing here now. Another 2-4 on top of what we've already got. The highs tomorrow and Friday, single digits.  Oh, almost forgot, tack on 25-35 mph winds for a wind chill around -20.

And I'm still seeing McBotox's face.  Would someone pleeease wake ace up?

170 Obama isn't very smart. He pisses our money away, bows to every dick-head on the planet, and is married to a hideous creature he found washed up on the shores of Lake Michigan. How did anyone vote for this idiot?

171 http://tinyurl.com/ybk6ntw

172 174: nothing, and if you say otherwise, I will sue you, you filthy creationist fascist!

173 O/T Fox news says Holocaust Museum shooter is dead in prison hospital, doesn't say whether natural causes or not.

174

#163

10-4 that, just sent son to get milk and eggs!  Oh my, the global warming is sure helping the grocery stores!

Thanks Al

175

I am not fan of Newtered Gingrich.   I am no fan of Bologna sandwiches.

I am no fan of Nazi Pelois.  I am no fan of Shit sandwiches.

 

I'll take Newtered and Bologna.

176 Really Ace, get that picture off the top of the blog. It's lunchtime in Texas.

177 @152 Iskandar

You're missing my point, and your bullshit strawman argument is beneath you. 

If reason, logic, and fidelity to our Constitution and foundational principles had anything to do with electoral outcomes, then Pelosi, Reid, and Obama would be nowhere near the levers of power.

Our national elections are popularity contests with standards determined in response to whatever hurts or whatever feels good. 

Stupid should hurt, and, in my estimation, it is far more valuable in the long term to have the dipshits connect the stupidity of voting for Obama to the economic pain they are now experiencing than it is to give them a scapegoat for the moment so that they can revert to being stupid once the crisis has passed.

178 Yeah. And whats wrong with teaching a few elementary school children fisting?

ok, now I know for sure this guy/gal ain't for real

179 Dr Spank,   WHAT IS HOPE AND CHANGE FOR $1000.

180

Posted by: Charles Johnson at January 06, 2010 02:24 PM (wnU1W)

go get em'! oops, I mean um, hey how about Palin and that almost son-in law pf her's?

181 I am as real as the skittles shat by the magic unicorn that His Glorious Regal Majesty Obama gave everyone.

182

It's snowing here now. Another 2-4 on top of what we've already got. The highs tomorrow and Friday, single digits.  Oh, almost forgot, tack on 25-35 mph winds for a wind chill around -20.

Posted by: teej at January 06, 2010 02:22 PM (c459z)

Ah, you must be in Iowa.  Of course, I was the first to discover it gets cold in Iowa.  No, it's true, otherwise Iowa State University's campus would not be shaped like a doughnut, with a gigantic empty space in the middle.

I mean, who would design a campus like that in a cold-weather climate?

183 184 O/T Fox news says Holocaust Museum shooter is dead in prison hospital, doesn't say whether natural causes or not.

Posted by: Bill R. at January 06, 2010 02:24 PM (EhlQq)

I guess he got to keep his health care plan.

184

ok, now I know for sure this guy/gal ain't for real

That Joe is a sock.

185

AmishDude,  I'm guessing a LIBTARD would.

186 Giving the imbeciles this out just allows them to feel good to do the same thing again, whenever the feeling strikes them. Posted by: progressoverpeace

Politics isn't a pedagogical device, or at least it shouldn't be if you have any principles. The point of all of this is to get our country on the right track not create some kind of retribution for your personal satisfaction. That line of thought doesn't help the country and certainly won't create allies for a more free and prosperous society.

Sorry, but I truly hope that you're just exercising your dander for fun here on the internets because that's a dangerously stupid outlook.

187 That doughnut center is for the alien landings, Mr. Mathematician.

188 181 Obama isn't very smart. He pisses our money away, bows to every dick-head on the planet, and is married to a hideous creature he found washed up on the shores of Lake Michigan. How did anyone vote for this idiot?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 02:23 PM (S2NsL)

But he graduated from Harvard Law School!  That means his IQ is, what, at least 80?

He's the consummate con-man.  He makes himself sound like an expert and finds out exactly how people want to be conned and gives it to them.

189 I'm with MikeO on this one.  The School of Hard Knocks is in full session for the foreseeable future.

190

Picture of a teabagger

http://tinyurl.com/yblhv9x

191 65 people thought they were getting Clinton, they Got Carter Chavez.

192 @154 Trimegistus

But if you say "You are wonderful, kind people and that mean old Obama lied to you," they can agree without admitting what little shits they really are.

Once it becomes "cool" to ridicule Obama and all his supporters, any "little shit" worth the title will pretend like he was always against Obama.

193 Hey, I graduated from Harvard, too!  Anyone have a job for me?  As much as I enjoy it, blowing hobos outside the Harvard grounds isn't very lucrative.

194

Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 02:26 PM (MxqA5)

oops, I think that was a sockpuppet

195 I'm willing to give folks a chance to pull their heads out of their collective asses, however, I have my doubts how long it will stick. As I said earlier, we've got a long road ahead of us and what we need is testicular fortitude, not half-assed "You LIED to me!" crap. Of COURSE they lied. That's what libs DO!

The thing is, you don't HAVE to fall for their crap. Trust but verify, right? If any of these folks had bothered to do that, this joker wouldn't have gotten NEAR the White House. Of course, had so-called Republicans not foisted McCain on us, our own party might not have cannibalized itself into being the best-supporting idiots for this tyrant's policies.

As I said, I HOPE folks really mean it when they say they're going to work to get rid of this mess. I truly hope they're not just blowing smoke. But I have my doubts. I just have this feeling that all it's going to take is another "good" speech or something of the sort and they'll all be saying how they misjudged them and that we should give them more time to fix it all. Believe me when I say, there ARE those out there who WILL fall for it. They already have, many times.

Of course, a few more dipshits like the Joe the Plumber guy on this thread might help convey the absolute idiocy of the modern liberal. Perhaps we should give those like him a bigger platform to spew stupidity to help the cause? Oh wait... I forgot... they've got the entire news/entertainment industry behind them. Nevermind.

196

Ah, you must be in Iowa. -

Nope, Kansas.  But this stuff will be there soon.

I mean, who would design a campus like that in a cold-weather climate? -

An architechtural engineer mayhaps?  (you know how they like to design stuff without actually consulting with the person(s) who will be using it.  Because they're like, engineers you know.  That's only one step down from god. Or someone from Ca. who was only there in the summer. 

 

197

He's the consummate con-man.  He makes himself sound like an expert and finds out exactly how people want to be conned and gives it to them.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 02:31 PM (T0NGe)

I had a sockpuppet on here once and commented like that  a couple times. He sells his shit exactly like a con, and the key to a good con is making your mark think he is part of the con. His people think they are getting over on the "man", rich people, big insurance companies, racist evil Republicans, ect ect. Little do they know they are the ones getting the royal assfucking.

198 199 That doughnut center is for the alien landings, Mr. Mathematician.

Posted by: Old Sailor at January 06, 2010 02:30 PM (/Ft4q)

First of all, that's Dr. Mathematician.  I didn't go through 5 years of evil graduate school to be called Mister.

Second, you are right!  Usually, I feel like I'm the smartest person in the world, but you have got me.

And I welcome our alien overlords and I'm willing to work with them for the health care and carbon-neutral energy they will provide.

199

Democrats redefine democracy by eliminating cumbersome aspects such as...

democracy.

http://tinyurl.com/yasxk7o

Via HA

200

Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 02:33 PM (Ce+tv)

same crap happened w/ Dubya, it's when the base starts bitching about him to the point they argue how good he was as a party leader, it's then that he'll be in trouble and his recent averages from 48%-51% from the last couple months will fall to 38%-41% and 45% is the average approval for a President who fails to get re-elected

201 An architechtural engineer mayhaps?  (you know how they like to design stuff without actually consulting with the person(s) who will be using it).  Because they're like, engineers you know.  That's only one step down from god.

Please.  As a Dr. Mathematician, we eat engineers for breakfast.  My job is to tell people they can't be engineers. 

202

Maybe Opies FISTING CZAR designed the "O" shaped campASS/

203 Well, I wasn't sure you had sufficient creases in your pants to be called "Doctor!"  So, I thought I'd start out small and make easily correctable mistakes.  As an engineer, I gravitate towards mathematicians - and always like your comments, BTW.

204

Politicians channel P.T. Barnum by playing 3 card monte with Americans' paychecks.

http://tinyurl.com/yb7qr6c

Via Breitbart

205 @198 Iskandar

Sorry, but I truly hope that you're just exercising your dander for fun here on the internets because that's a dangerously stupid outlook.

I "excercise my dander for fun" by observing that Pinochet sure knew how to use politics as a pedagogical device.  Less than forty years later, Chile is the first country to rise above the Marxist shithole that is South America and be invited to join the OECD.

206 People need to get the term of democracy out of the dialogue. America is a Republic, not a democracy. If we had a true democracy, the libtards would have been able to ruin this country decades ago.

207 Politics isn't a pedagogical device, or at least it shouldn't be if you have any principles.

This particular debate is not about "politics", per se, but about the proper way to treat those who have fated our nation for the trash heap. As I mentioned in my responses, though I didn't point it at you, specifically, but you seem to think that just getting the dems out of the federal government will make everything right and our federal institutions trustworthy, again. That is not the case. No matter who takes control of Congress or the White House, the precedent has been set to have those institutions attack our citizenry and our traditions and to ignore everything in the process. That will not disappear all by itself, no matter who populates those institutions.

The point of all of this is to get our country on the right track not create some kind of retribution for your personal satisfaction.

But, this is the exact point I was trying to make to you - this nation will not be put back "on the right track" just by swapping out some of the individuals in the federal government. Let me give you an example, we have allowed a retard who didn't think that adjectives existed in Spanish (while an affirmative action token at Princeton) and whose only great "qualification" for the SCOTUS to be her empathetic abilities (which should have been the reason for her NOT to get on the SCOTUS) onto the SCOTUS. That precedent is set and we are stuck with that idiocy for decades. The same can be said for those who passed Senate confirmation for all sorts of things. We have a precedent of marxists, maoists, and all sorts of traitors populating the highest levels of our government. That will not be undone. Limits have been breached and will not be put back in place ... because life just doesn't work that way.

You seem to think that Nov 2008 was nothing but a little blip that can be rectified in an election or two. That is wrong. Very, very, very wrong.

That line of thought doesn't help the country and certainly won't create allies for a more free and prosperous society.

People who would refuse to acknowledge the terrible damage they have done to our nation could never be counted as allies for anything. They can be used, occassionally, but never trusted (since we know how they think).

Sorry, but I truly hope that you're just exercising your dander for fun here on the internets because that's a dangerously stupid outlook.

Posted by: Iskandar at January 06, 2010 02:30 PM (doEqS)

If you say so ...

208 He sells his shit exactly like a con, and the key to a good con is making your mark think he is part of the con. His people think they are getting over on the "man", rich people, big insurance companies, racist evil Republicans, ect ect. Little do they know they are the ones getting the royal assfucking.

Madoff was also a good con man.  Everybody thought they were getting a special deal.  Most politicians are pulling a con, but the Democrat party is built around it.  It's all about getting a special deal -- the same health care as Congress, for example.  Soak the rich.

They have the same philosophy of your sleazy uncle Bernie: Just give me money and power and I'll make you rich too.  And you don't have to lift a finger.

209

Please.  As a Dr. Mathematician, we eat engineers for breakfast.  My job is to tell people they can't be engineers.  -

You should come for a visit.  I have to work for a bunch of 'em in a DOT.  In some ways they have some skills but in others, like logistics, or being managers, downright scary.

210 Stupid should hurt, and, in my estimation, it is far more valuable in the long term to have the dipshits connect the stupidity of voting for Obama to the economic pain they are now experiencing than it is to give them a scapegoat for the moment so that they can revert to being stupid once the crisis has passed. Posted by: MikeO

I'll ask the same question again since you avoided it for some reason, Mike. When was the last time your mind was changed by someone screaming at you?

As I wrote above, elections aren't pedagogical devices if you have any principles. What's more important; dumping on the voters who didn't fall in line or actually having a more free and prosperous country?

211

didn't he admit this?

I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views,” Mr. Obama wrote

He's the consummate con-man.  He makes himself sound like an expert and finds out exactly how people want to be conned and gives it to them.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 02:31

212

It's snowing here now. Another 2-4 on top of what we've already got. The highs tomorrow and Friday, single digits.  Oh, almost forgot, tack on 25-35 mph winds for a wind chill around -20.

And I'm still seeing McBotox's face.  Would someone pleeease wake ace up?

I know, ain't it great?? Man I just love this global warming, don't you? Al Gore, kiss my ass, douchebag.  And yeah please get that ugly puss off of here quickly. 

 

213 since ace isn't posting anything new, let's do some good CJ bashing

214 @218 - Thanks maddogg - that's one of my pet peeves, wait, anyone know a more manly term for pet peeves?  Oh no.  I'm about to get hammered here. (ducks and runs,, no no, I mean bobs and weaves)

215

You should come for a visit.  I have to work for a bunch of 'em in a DOT.  In some ways they have some skills but in others, like logistics, or being managers, downright scary.

Lee Iaccoca was an engineer. So am I and I operate a manufacturing plant. The last Company I worked for was run by a lawyer (like most of our politicians) and it has all but gone belly up.

216 215 Well, I wasn't sure you had sufficient creases in your pants to be called "Doctor!"

I have no creases in my pants.  Ironing is for chumps!

So, I thought I'd start out small and make easily correctable mistakes.  As an engineer,

And a good one, if you start out small and make easily correctable mistakes.  The worst engineers are like Herbert Hoover who thought that because he knew some engineering, everything can be engineered.  Actually, that was part of his appeal.  Jonah Goldberg expands on this in his book.

 I gravitate towards mathematicians - and always like your comments, BTW.
Posted by: Old Sailor at January 06, 2010 02:39 PM (/Ft4q)

Thanks, Ol'Salt, but remember that I'm an arrogant jerk.  I'm never wrong, mind you, but often arrogant.

217

anyone know a more manly term for pet peeves? 

Makes me want to shoot myself in the face?

218

Nope, Kansas. 

Now, see, I'm in Louisiana. Would you like to see the chart of what I expected the weather to be like in winter here? I have it right here...

I don't have snowsuits for the kids and other cold weather gear. I'm still barely grasping the fact that I can't wear sandals year round now that we've moved so far north...

/whine off

219 OK, for all of the EEYORES (love that term) here, let me explain things. First of all, this does allow people to walk back from their vote and give them a sense of righteous indignation, which is good. Second, it allows them to grab onto a "vote those suckers out" movement without mentioning the GOP, which is also good, since many democrats have a hard time pulling that R lever until their hatred and sense of being abuse is stoked, which this does. Third, it gives an inspiring theme phrase "America Rising." This conjures images of patriotism, resistance, and a cause. This is a good thing. Were a lot of the 52% gullible, stupid, lemming-like, naive, etc? You bet. But those type of people are ALWAYS in the electorate. Reagan got a lot of votes from people who remembered him from the movies and voted for him for the exact same reason some people voted for Franken; he was a celebrity. To pretend that all voters should be motivated by thoughtful understanding of government and the constitution is simply silly; it's never going to happen, because we do not have IQ tests for registration. I knew people who voted for Clinton because he had good hair. My hairdresser wouldn't vote for Cheney because he had an "ugly mouth" (I got a new hairdresser). People vote based on race, vocal inflection, what the spouse looks like, how many children they have, religion, geographic area of the candidate, because they look like a favorite uncle, and a host of other non-rational reasons. Most of the time this all averages out and we end up with the person that logic would tell us should win. But once in a while we end up with a real loser (see Carter, James and Obama, Barack). We NEED some of those silly people who voted for Obama. I will take votes for our side for whatever reason. I wish that the country was better educated, but this is the way things are. Hence, this is a good ad.

220 AmishDude, ever been to Utah State. It is in a high mountain valley pointed at the Canadian Rockies and they have this honeycomb layout of buildings that becomes a labyrinth of drift and constant squall lines when the wind is up -- which is all the time.

221 ok this is my offering. My ex was an editor/producer of Tv spots for political stuff and action movies (worked in Hollywood, not NY.) A republican.  I pretty much can guess who made this by the style of editing music and how they flash the cards between images.
All the republican editors and stuff pretty much can be counted on your hands. I know five of them. This looks like it was made by a Big shop. But maybe it was a private project.
I know the ex's new girl is kinda liberal, i wonder if he voted for O and was part of the crew that made this (It takes about 3 people to write edit and produce something this slick and realized.)

222 Miss Marple  --  Paragraphs or it didn't happen.

223 Now why do I not have any paragraphs? Sorry!

224 The worst engineers are like Herbert Hoover who thought that because he knew some engineering, everything can be engineered.  Actually, that was part of his appeal.

one of my pet peeves is when libs talk about Hoover as the prime example of conservative failure yet the truth is Hoover was part of the liberal wings of the Republican party & forced programs on the economy much in the way FDR did, FDR even argued Hoover was being a socialist in the 1932 election, Hoover was no conservative & I ranked him in my personal list at #38/41 C-Span actually ranked him at #34 above Dubya, that list still pisses me off...

225 Posted by: willow at January 06, 2010 02:43 PM (7FgWm)

In that quote, Obama is almost the passive victim of being a con-man.  Like he had his con-mannishness thrust upon him.  In some sense, I believe him.  I think from an early age, he figured out that he could manipulate his mother, his grandparents, his teachers, etc.

226 Any body else get douche chills from this? I couldn't last more than 30 seconds before I had to bail.

227 Ah, you must be in Iowa. Of course, I was the first to discover it gets cold in Iowa. No, it's true, otherwise Iowa State University's campus would not be shaped like a doughnut, with a gigantic empty space in the middle.

I mean, who would design a campus like that in a cold-weather climate?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 02:28 PM (T0NGe)

It was a simple mistake in communication. In one of the more poetic sections of the campus specificiations, they asked that the campus be designed "for a genius one", but it got garbled and ended up with a specification for a campus designed with "genus one".

228

Now why do I not have any paragraphs? Sorry!

They disappear sometimes. Happens to the best of us.

229

AmishDude

Just curious...are you?

I know a couple of guys, brothers, in fact, who chose not to go back after rumspringa.

They had nothing against Amish-ness per se, but they just did not think it right for them

230 @222 Iskandar

I'll ask the same question again since you avoided it for some reason, Mike. When was the last time your mind was changed by someone screaming at you?

I didn't avoid your question.  I ignored it because it's irrelevant to my argument.  My mind changes when facts, reason, and logic support change.  If something takes screaming at me to drive it through my thick skull, then, in that instance, it is an effective technique.

As I wrote above, elections aren't pedagogical devices if you have any principles.

This isn't so simply because you say it is so.  If people don't get what they voted to get (and get it good and hard enough to bear the scars for the rest of their lives), then the only "correct" vote is the vote for whoever is offering skittle-shitting unicorns.

What's more important; dumping on the voters who didn't fall in line or actually having a more free and prosperous country?

How does giving idiots a scapegoat for their irresponsible vote contribute to a more free and prosperous country?

231

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 02:48 PM (4DwVn)

many people on here won't like reading that, but it's the sad truth about elections

232 Trying again to see if the paragraphs com up this time.  I am only going to try this once,  and if it doesn't work I will just slink away.

OK, for all of the EEYORES (love that term) here, let me explain things. First of all, this does allow people to walk back from their vote and give them a sense of righteous indignation, which is good.

Second, it allows them to grab onto a "vote those suckers out" movement without mentioning the GOP, which is also good, since many democrats have a hard time pulling that R lever until their hatred and sense of being abuse is stoked, which this does.

Third, it gives an inspiring theme phrase "America Rising." This conjures images of patriotism, resistance, and a cause. This is a good thing. Were a lot of the 52% gullible, stupid, lemming-like, naive, etc? You bet. But those type of people are ALWAYS in the electorate.

Reagan got a lot of votes from people who remembered him from the movies and voted for him for the exact same reason some people voted for Franken; he was a celebrity. To pretend that all voters should be motivated by thoughtful understanding of government and the constitution is simply silly; it's never going to happen, because we do not have IQ tests for registration.

 I knew people who voted for Clinton because he had good hair. My hairdresser wouldn't vote for Cheney because he had an "ugly mouth" (I got a new hairdresser).

People vote based on race, vocal inflection, what the spouse looks like, how many children they have, religion, geographic area of the candidate, because they look like a favorite uncle, and a host of other non-rational reasons.

Most of the time this all averages out and we end up with the person that logic would tell us should win. But once in a while we end up with a real loser (see Carter, James and Obama, Barack).

We NEED some of those silly people who voted for Obama. I will take votes for our side for whatever reason. I wish that the country was better educated, but this is the way things are. Hence, this is a good ad.

233 There be political mathematicians and engineers here.  They be giant whales awash in a vast ocean of uncertainty but united in their disgust with "social engineering."

Down with the social engineers.  Up with the Constitution.  Throw the bums out.  If we do, we just might make it, progressoverpeace.  If we don't, it won't matter anyway.

234

Lee Iaccoca was an engineer. So am I and I operate a manufacturing plant. The last Company I worked for was run by a lawyer (like most of our politicians) and it has all but gone belly up. -

You must have taken a course or two that these guys missed out on.  They waste more money with lousy scheduling etc., it drives me crazy.

235 This particular debate is not about "politics", per se, but about the proper way to treat those who have fated our nation for the trash heap. [...] Posted by: progressoverpeace

And I'd argue there is nothing proper about believing that we must seek vain retribution and that we can correct voters' behavior like mad nuns at a boarding school.

As I mentioned in my responses, though I didn't point it at you, specifically, but you seem to think that just getting the dems out of the federal government will make everything right and our federal institutions trustworthy, again.

An incorrect interpretation of my replies. My central points are; conservatism is best served by convincing a majority of voters that limited governance is best, and you convince no one by assuming the role of an angry scold.

People who would refuse to acknowledge the terrible damage they have done to our nation could never be counted as allies for anything. They can be used, occasionally, but never trusted.

So let me get this straight; the game plan for the next few years is to insult and castigate anyone that voted for the Dem-Dems and then make sure they don't become conservatives? Sounds like a winning plan, that.

236 Mike, and PoP:  This isn't about justice, it's about democracy.  Yes, in a just world all the little shits who voted for Obama because Jon Stewart said it was the cool thing to do would have to get down on their knees in public and scourge themselves while wearing a placard reading "GULLIBLE IDIOT."

But that's not going to happen, and asking people to vote for the "you'll have to scourge yourself, you idiot" party is a recipe for failure. 

What we want is for these stupid, vicious little pieces of crap to turn against their false messiah and vote for someone who can at least START trying to fix the damage.  It's all very well to be pure and right and unsullied in the wilderness -- but while you stay there, the evil and corrupt are tearing down all that we love.

237 Read this article on Big Government and then be sure to watch your paychecks.  The feds have adjusted your withholdings so that you are paying more now.  Time to bump up your exemptions!
http://28nn.sl.pt

238

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (GQhsP)

bingo

239

Makes me want to shoot myself in the face? -

Ya tryin' to get rid of me Jewells?

240 Network EmailSaw it a few days ago.   WE elected him?? No; THEY did.   So now they have buyer's remorse?   They brought us this fiasco by blindly buying BHO's BS.   Screw 'em until they atone for it by voting out the Dems for decades. Then we'll talk about reconciliation.

241 powerful love it (except for the shot of HRC in 93 of course )

242

I have seen that video before and I did not like it. The opening infers that there were huge problems with the previous admin and that congress was also in the hands of that administration. It also infers that "we voted" for these scum bags.

Anyone who voted for these scum bags and expected to get "balance" instead of socialism and communism is a GD fool.

It would have been much better if it started out as we are the 48% and we tried to warn you dumb asses in the 52%. Look what you got. Stay at home this time.

 

 

243

You should come for a visit.  I have to work for a bunch of 'em in a DOT.  In some ways they have some skills but in others, like logistics, or being managers, downright scary.

Lee Iaccoca was an engineer. So am I and I operate a manufacturing plant. The last Company I worked for was run by a lawyer (like most of our politicians) and it has all but gone belly up.

Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2010 02:47 PM (OlN4e)

Of course, you can't judge people based on their professions, but you should realize what the tendencies are.  Engineers tend to tweak and will do so long after the system has been wrecked by tweaking.  Lawyers think everything can be litigated and when the case is over, whatever is decided is the truth.  Mathematicians and physicists will take something complex and try to oversimplify.

What I (and Scalia) find most disturbing is the tendency to attribute to lawyers powers of universal intellect and skill.  I tend to be very provincial about this, but I think that mathematicians are the only ones who see the "big picture" academically.  Whether it's physics, biology, engineering, etc., the model's all the same to me.  But even then, I have no knowledge of the specifics and often the big, nice overarching model isn't what's needed.

You don't need Newtonian physics to fix a toilet.

244

Most of the time this all averages out and we end up with the person that logic would tell us should win. But once in a while we end up with a real loser (see Carter, James and Obama, Barack).

 

Oooh....wouldn't it be awesome to have a black president. 

ZOMG.......dude that would be soo kewl.....

 

245 @247 Iskandar

An incorrect interpretation of my replies. My central points are; conservatism is best served by convincing a majority of voters that limited governance is best, and you convince no one by assuming the role of an angry scold.

Your central points are debatable.

Conservatism can be equally well served by discouraging stupid people from participating through demagogic ridicule and by instilling a fear of punishment.

"Obama lied to me" leaves the door open for the next slick lefty who can address the incompetence issues. 

"Pulling the lever stings me" is the message these dipshits need.

246

Ya tryin' to get rid of me Jewells?

Not at all.  It's my daughters favorite thing to say when she's really frustrated.  I thought it sounded pretty manly.  Maybe I should have added that the bullets would bounce off your face.

247 17 Reid and the rest of his skid stained shitwads know this is it.  They shagged us for nearly everything they could get, and America is fed up.  After shooting their wads in our face, these bowel belchers still stand in front of the cameras and tell us ....we are the most transparent congress in history.  Good bye you lying bags of shit.

Posted by: Sparky at January 06, 2010 12:34 PM (mXY2a)

 

Don't hold it all in like that.

248 : teej at January 06, 2010 02:45 PM (QdUKm)

pet peeves - things that 'chap my axx', fry my 'insert your favorite thing here', and in NYC- 'that shxt really pixxes me off!"

249 Just curious...are you?

Nope.  I was born and raised in Lancaster, PA and, to my knowledge, my entire lineage comes from there, back to the 18th century.

But it is a cool nom de net.

250 CDR M - sneaky bastards. Withholding is teh keystone to whole lefty house of cards - get rid of it and we would have a tax revolt within a year.

251

You must have taken a course or two that these guys missed out on.  They waste more money with lousy scheduling etc., it drives me crazy.

They most likely give those things a lower priority, because they are a hell of a lot less interesting than most aspects of engineering. I find my patents more satisfying to think about than when I need that load of steel to hit the shop. Human nature, I suppose. But lack of materials when things are promised to ship bite me on the ass with real teeth, so I pay attention to them. What you need are consequences for failure to perform. If they got through engineering school, they ought to be able to put a schedule together. If not, you don't need them.

252

Reagan got a lot of votes from people who remembered him from the movies and voted for him for the exact same reason some people voted for Franken; he was a celebrity ACORN rigged it and the (Soros-approved) sec of state certified it..

 

253 O/T but Ahnold has come out against Health Care.

Looks like he didn't get the bailout he was looking for.

254 #256

Yes, exactly how a great many of them thought.  And how many of them were shaped by the black president on "24?"   Also, the deliberate attempt to make those daughters look all "Rudy and Vanessa-ish" before the election was a calculated bid for the dim bulbs who thought they were getting Cliff and Claire Huxtable in the White House.

Rumsfeld said "You go to war with the army you have."

And we must get a president elected with the citizenry WE have.  We don't get to screen out the idiots, so we have to get them on our side. 

That's is how things work in the real world.

255

 Maybe I should have added that the bullets would bounce off your face. -

Oh, I see.  Now I have a kevlar ugly face.  Oh well, I guess I can't hold it against you that you speak the truth in love. 

256 I prefer this video by far.

257 (It takes about 3 people to write edit and produce something this slick and realized.)  Posted by: Gushka

Actually, I didn't think it was done by a professional. The message is fine but the title cards are overdone and there is no video or audio other than pictures and the score. The standard political vid might have started with some clips of Obama and Pelosi lying during the campaign. Then flash the newspaper headlines of the bills that have passed, some animation of economic stats, and some audio of news reporting on the economy. That would have taken some time and effort. I'm pretty sure this was just a single person playing around with elements, final cut or vegas.

258 #265  RushBabe, while it is true that the Soros SOS and ACORN helped pull Franken over the top,  his celebrity garnered him votes which made the election close.  

How do you explain the election of Jesse Ventura?  Same deal.

Fred Thompson?  Same thing.

TV or movie celebrity does a lot to help a candidate, because the person is already known.  He doesn't have to spend money introducing himself or telling his story.

I think it's worth 5-10 point in the electorate.

259 @248 Trimegistus

But that's not going to happen, and asking people to vote for the "you'll have to scourge yourself, you idiot" party is a recipe for failure.

When did I ever say that anyone has to scourge himself?

My argument is this: 

Some portion of the electorate will do as you say and reflect on themselves and grasp at the sentiment in this video to shift the blame for their extremely poor judgment from themselves onto Obama.

I say that if we kick the hell out of the high-profile Obama supporters when they are down, that some other (larger) portion of the electorate who voted for him will be cowed into joining us as we apply the wood shampoo.

We cannot agree on which approach is better.

260 What we want is for these stupid, vicious little pieces of crap to turn against their false messiah and vote for someone who can at least START trying to fix the damage.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (GQhsP)

But, this is my point. Anyone who turns against a false messiah would be more outraged at themselves than I could ever be at them. If they don't feel that bad about what they've done, then they haven't turned against anything and will continue to see no problem with what they've done.

Secondly, there is no possibility of even starting to fix this damage (though I am very much convinced that we are beyond repair - the monetary situation and the destruction of faith in our institutions are done deals that cannot be resolved with anything short of a few very specific, very strong Constitutional amendments .. and we all know that that isn't happening). But, if you entertain the idea of starting to fix things, then the GOP is going to have to move legislation through, and keep bringing it back after The Precedent vetoes it again and again, and that will not be supported by people who are told that their vote for the people who put us in this situation was just a minor problem that can be undone in a flash. Our nation has been dragged through the looking glass.

Look, the talk of going after the last administration (the obssession of this administration from the start), the bastardization of our war effort, the world traitor tour, the investigations into our spies and interrogators for doing a good job, the passing of gargantuan bills that are totally un-Constitutional and un-American in the dead of night, sight unseen ... and on and on. This all leaves a mark on our government and nation that is not simply brushed aside and forgotten. Even the bit that our courts have refused to uphold our Constitution with one of the simplest and most direct prescriptions it makes - that the President must be a 'natural born citizen' (that anyone with a brain knows a dual citizen is NOT - though the court really has to rule on that) - is a deep wound to our governing structure.

People have watched the Constitution be shat all over and no one did anything to stop it. THAT is one of the major the legacies of this administration and that is what those traitors who voted these people in are responsible for. And, in the case of Constitutional eligibility, that problem extends to scared conservatives who would rather ignore the Constitution that possibly face riots in the cities by people who hate everything about our nation - even though those same riots will be coming with the monetary disaster, anyway.

Look, I'm convinced that secession is coming and that there is no way to stop it. I'm also convinced that the American creed cannot be championed in what is left of the US. We have just gone too far away from that to ever return without a major, dislocating change - a discontinuity of mammoth proportions.

Lastly, I would note that most people voted for The Precedent out of their illusory white guilt. If you don't change that problem that people have being subordinated to their intense, though illusory, feelings of white guilt, then there is nothing to start fixing, as that is the main problem that overrides politics and all other considerations (and leads to anti-American attitudes and votes).

Those who voted out of white guilt need to understand that now they are TRULY GUILTY of a great offense against our country. Their guilt is no longer illusory white-guilt, but is now based on their terrible actions in Nov 2008 and they need to understand exactly what they've done. Now, they have real guilt they can try to atone for. But, "atone" is exactly what they have to do, and that message is what I am getting at. Forgiveness, if it is even in the offing, only comes after the atonement.

I don't see the white guilters atoning for anything and I don't see them reacting to a federal government that has preyed on their white guilt long after the election. As long as white guilt remains the potent anti-American force that it is, there will be no repair happening, even if it were possible (which I don't think it is).

261 It also infers that "we voted" for these scum bags.

It is not aimed at "you".
Secondly, you infer, it implies.

_{Sorry for the snark in advance.}

262

ginaswo/MiM  -  I was gonna ask if I dared hope that MichaelinMi was back but when I "hovered" on your handle I saw that your website is moderate in the middle.  That's not Mike.  He's as far to the right as I am.  I have enjoyed your comments that I've seen the last couple of weeks.

And Mad Monica.  First time I've seen ya post.  "Welcome to the party pal."

263 NONE OF IT MATTERS!  THE CHENEY, CRIMINAL, CORPORATE CABLA RUNS EVERYTHING IN THE SHADOWS!  EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR CHENEY'S EVIL AGENDA - STEAL OIL AND MONEY FROM WORKING PEOPLE AND TO KILL BROWN PEOPLE!

264 ... what we want; is for those who voted for Obama, to just stay home this time. We will have to vote for our own.

265 Holy shit!  I just did the calculations with the 2010 tax with holdings and bounced them off of the 2009 one and I'm paying $399.65 more a month in taxes plus the percentage on the overage jumped from 25% to 28%!!  WTF!?

266 MikeO

Well, if we were all standing out on the football field and Obama voters could be identified with certain color jerseys,  maybe that would work.

But since we still have a secret ballot and we don't KNOW who actually voted for Obama, I don't think people are going to be cowed into joining.  The most your strategy will get is lip service from people you know, and then when they go in the ballot box they will vote democrat because they don't want vengeful people in charge of the government.

Think about it.  If Rahm Emanuel is threatening to whack all of us GOP people with a ball bat, are we all going to say "Oh, I had better vote democrat so I won't get whacked?"

Or are we more likely to say "Screw him! I am not letting that sucker be in charge of anything!"

267 @277 Jean

... what we want; is for those who voted for Obama, to just stay home this time. We will have to vote for our own.

Thanks for this.  You've made the point I could not make in all my blathering on this thread.

268

Yeah, man.

"Not the best invitation to vote conservative this year. That's the point of the vid. He's trying to create a space for those squishes who voted for the O or some Dem-Dem and get those voters to turn their mistake into righteous anger.

In private if you want to piss on those voters, fine, but in public, unless you enjoy your socialism warm, you'd better consider catching them with honey."

Iskander hit the nail on the head. There are a lot of moderates and independents out there who voted for Obama who have to be wondering what the hell is happening to their country and privately wondering about their vote.

I'm not enthralled with the 52% and with the Peggy Noonan, Kathleen Parker conservative lites who fell head over heels for Obama's pant creases. But like it or not, we need these people in our corner, not digging in their heels to defend their mistake. Sometimes you have to back off just enough to give someone some space so they can save face.

 

269

Obama lied Freedom died.

270 test

271

278 Holy shit!  I just did the calculations with the 2010 tax with holdings and bounced them off of the 2009 one and I'm paying $399.65 more a month in taxes plus the percentage on the overage jumped from 25% to 28%!!  WTF!? -

You must be one of those terrible rich people who makes more than 250K per year.  Glad that won't be happening to me.

_{hope these folks recognize sarc when they read it}  

272 Your central points are debatable. [...]  Posted by: MikeO

I didn't say they weren't. I said he inferred something I never did.

Conservatism can be equally well served by discouraging stupid people from participating through demagogic ridicule and by instilling a fear of punishment.

Well, obviously we can't settle ultimate questions here but I do think that viewpoint lacks an understanding of human psychology and the purpose of a political party. There's nothing conservative about hoping to permanently re-educate a citizenry through fear and you won't ever change voters by dumping on them. Sorry, it doesn't happen. Ever.

"Obama lied to me" leaves the door open for the next slick lefty who can address the incompetence issues. 

It's fantasy to think we can ever let up from promoting our principles as the best path towards a prosperous country. There will always be lefties, there will always be squishes. It's called humanity. Wishes to the contrary are just those.

273 @279 Miss Marple

The most your strategy will get is lip service from people you know, and then when they go in the ballot box they will vote democrat because they don't want vengeful people in charge of the government.

This is how it works in mythology, books, and movies because we are addicted to irony.  We think it's normal for prostitutes to have hearts of gold. 

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

This is not how things work in real life.  A cowed person will stay reliably cowed. 

274
What's the medical term for cut?

275 The problem is, there is NO WAY the democrats are going to allow a fair election in 2010.  Either the "Universal Voter Registration" will aid them, or Obama will proclaim some national emergency and suspend the elections. Yes, they'll do exactly what the left always said Bush would do, because they PROJECTED all of their power fantasies on to Bush.

We're totally screwed.  We handed these people power, starting in 2006, and they are NEVER going to give it up.  All the tough videos in the world won't change that.

276 medical term for cut?

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly

slice and dice? snip? incision

277

287
What's the medical term for cut?

Surgeon induced = incision

Mugger or motorcycle induced = laceration.

278 Teej, got the sarc!  Nope, not rich either (impossible in the military!).

279 @285 Iskandar

There's nothing conservative about hoping to permanently re-educate a citizenry through fear and you won't ever change voters by dumping on them.

The Obama voters dumped on the entire country by doing what they did.  If the people behind this video want to toss them a lifeline that's their business.  If you support their tossing them a lifeline, that's your business.

I'm saying that offering them a pass on this by letting them scapegoat Obama, Reid, and Pelosi is a waste of a real good lesson that I don't have to raise a finger to deliver.

There is plenty conservative about letting assholes suffer the effects of their own actions.  Letting stupid hurt like it should works wonders for shaping political beliefs supportive of freedom and prosperity.

280

289 medical term for cut?

Take from earner, give to deadbeat.

281

Obama is clean.  And articulate.  And I'll bet he has the highest IQ oa any President evah.   I belive he won the Heisman trophy, The Indy 500 and the Stanley Cup all in the same week   His wife has toned arms.

 

Please pay no attention to the MARXIST behind the curtain.

282 286

Well, I am not going to argue with you.  Apparently you subscribe to the Rahm Emanuel school of politics.

You just go right ahead with your plan to threaten and cow people.  Let us know how that works for you.

283

292 -- toss them the freaking lifeline...all's fair in love and war; you want your country back?  Or do you want to remain "pure"?

I don't care what somebody does with their own life, but this is our country we're talking about.  If former Obama supporters have a change of heart and want to jump ship, and this sort of video makes a difference in getting that accomplished, then fine -- I have no problems with it at all.  It's great, wonderful, marvelous.

As for making people suffer for their mistakes -- great in theory, but the whole country is suffering, and the whole country didn't make the mistake.  Make them suffer by showing them the error of their ways after these bums are throw out -- is that good enough?

 

No, I'm not a true blue conservative; I'm not a card carrying Repub...so maybe I'm just one of those nasty little people you don't want to sully yourself with, but I didn't vote for these bastards, and I want them out, and better many strange bedfellows on my side than a whole bunch of adversaries against me, no?

284 Drew @ 28: "The vid is fine for red meat as far as it goes but it's not going to move anyone who really voted for Obama."

The jihadis could detonate a fucking atomic bomb on NY or DC and it wouldn't cause the "true believers" in the Dem/socialist party to waver a millimeter in their support of Duh Won.  Stupid bastards are a danger to the country, period.


"the counter on the linked copy hasn't moved since first posted."

C'mon, do you really think the socialist assholes who run YT would do anything to reduce the perceived popularity of an anti-Dem vid?  Like freezing the counter so the vid doesn't make the "most-viewed" ranking?  C'mon, you silly wingnut--next you'll be claiming Google removes anti-Dem search terms from the popular-searches list!

285 The people who did this must have missed the Rev Wright tapes. If they hadn't, they would have known about the racism and hate that Black Liberation Theology brings to the table. And how their parishners were indoctrinated to the cause.

My input, they should have picked on an unarmed people to make slaves of.

286 @295 Miss Marple

Well, I am not going to argue with you.  Apparently you subscribe to the Rahm Emanuel school of politics.

Nice.  Really nice. 

Another part of that school of politics is to lie whenever expedient just like how you support lying to the assholes who voted Obama into office by pretending like everything is peachy keen even though they fell for the transparent trickery.

You just go right ahead with your plan to threaten and cow people.  Let us know how that works for you.

You just go right ahead with your casting pearls before these swine.  I already know how that works.

287 @295 unknown jane

As for making people suffer for their mistakes -- great in theory, but the whole country is suffering, and the whole country didn't make the mistake.  Make them suffer by showing them the error of their ways after these bums are throw out -- is that good enough?

I'm not the one making them suffer.  They're the ones responsible for the suffering.  The scapegoat path in this video cheats them of a valuable lesson.

288 I am not casting pearls before swine, MikeO.

I am leaving a trail of breadcrumbs so they can find their way home.

Someone upthread said it best and most succinctly: prodigal son.

289

Say the Republicans win in 2010.

What, exactly, will get reversed? What bureaucracy will end? How will the Rs pay for all this folly?

There is still nearly a year of legislation coming by folks with nothing to lose.

290 I am leaving a trail of breadcrumbs so they can find their way home.

Until you resolve the existential problem of illusory white guilt, that trail doesn't lead anywhere near home. Coddling the white guilters, ideologically, helps no one.

Someone upthread said it best and most succinctly: prodigal son.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (4DwVn)

This set of "prodigal sons" burned down the house, killed the livestock, salted the fields and sold the family into slavery.

291 @301 Miss Marple

I am not casting pearls before swine, MikeO.

I am leaving a trail of breadcrumbs so they can find their way home.

Someone upthread said it best and most succinctly: prodigal son.

So, what are you asking me to do?  Do you want me to join the charade promoted by this video? 

The makers of the video are presenting the idea that the country is in a bad place now.  I agree. 

Do you want me to STFU about how the idiots who voted for Obama put us in this bad place?

Should I lie by pretending that we are in this bad place because Obama lied and tricked them and that nobody could possibly have seen this coming?

If I do that, then I rob them of an opportunity to learn that stupid does hurt.  If I ridicule them, then I reinforce the point that their indiscretion in the voting booth in November 2008 brought a world of hurt onto us all.

Any of them who digs-in his heels over that is a lost cause.

292

300 -- I don't give a rat's tuckus about teaching them a lesson right now; that's the least of my concerns.  I want to see this particular group of policians stopped (and ran out hopefully) -- the teach-y stuff can be done later.

And why should I be made to suffer just so stupid voters can learn a lesson?  Why should any one of us have to be made to learn a lesson?  Because right now, I feel like I'm getting the governmental/economic hickory switch after getting an ace on last week's grammar test.  Uhm, no thank you -- I'd rather deal with the prodigals in such a way that they continue to have thoughts of jumping ship.

And it is happening -- the worse things get, the more many left leaning independents, moderates, and even Democrats begin to question their choices over the last couple of elections (dare I dream?  maybe even that maggot Durbin might get ousted if this keeps up...oh joy, oh wonders!).  I don't want to endanger that possiblity just to "teach them a lesson".

293

So, from the silence, should I assume the Rs winning just means we pull the throttle back from the firewall...a little bit...for a while?

The 2010 elections will be instructive. On many levels.

294 MikeO

I do not want my grandchildren to suffer in order to teach foolish people a lesson.

It's as simple as that.

While the people who voted Obama in suffer,  so will the rest of us,  including my grandchildren.  The longer he stays in office and the longer the democrats hold both houses,  the damage will extend further,  to generations yet unborn.

The military doesn't deserve to suffer.  The kids don't deserve to suffer.  Those of us who knew the truth about Obama don't deserve to suffer.   I am not willing to pull this country down on all of our heads in order to teach people a lesson.

295 @305 unknown jane

And why should I be made to suffer just so stupid voters can learn a lesson?  Why should any one of us have to be made to learn a lesson?  Because right now, I feel like I'm getting the governmental/economic hickory switch after getting an ace on last week's grammar test.  Uhm, no thank you -- I'd rather deal with the prodigals in such a way that they continue to have thoughts of jumping ship.

I don't get it.  One of two things happens between now and November:

1.  Things improve to a point not as bad as depicted in the video, and these potential ship-jumpers get a case of the I-told-you-sos and stick with the Dems

2.  Things get worse or horribly worse and all but the hardcore lefties jump ship regardless of whether anyone tosses them a line

The people who voted for Obama were idiots, and they should be thinking twice before ever casting another vote in their lives.

It buys us nothing to let them pretend that their plans are good but this particular implementation was flawed.

296

 April 15th.

The people need to shut down DC.

 If all the separate Tea Party groups, the We the people groups,  9/12 groups, Rush, Beck, Hannity, Bortz Palin, and others met in DC then, there is no way the MSM could ignore it. They don't have to promote it together, just promote it. Ask their audience to be there. Start promoting it now. Maybe they could end their shows for the  next week or so with the phrase "April 15th". No explanation, just April 15th. My wife and I would be there, and give rides to as many people  as possible.

It's about time to see who the real patriots are and who are the poseurs.

297

And today at a Obama Public School some where the FISTING KITS are being handed out to our kids.  We stand idly by hoping that this will turn itself around without violence.

Not likely.  Marxist are not nice.  This will get worse/

298

What the delightful Miss Marple so eloquently stated.  I've got kids, both small and the older ones in the military; I want these bastards out -- preferrably by use of a voting ballot.

Plus, I am beginning to worry about the other consequences: these bastards don't get tossed out, things really go to hell in a hand basket, and oh yeah, you'll get your "lesson learned" -- you'll run the risk of getting something worse than what we have now.

Failed republics get replaced by fascist dictators -- and we are on the precipice of failing if we're not careful.  No thanks; I've got kids.

299 So, as long as the dictator is a committee, you're good?

300

Is it possible that they could ram amnesty through and make millions of new voters before 11/2/10?

 

Then what?

301 I like the April 15th idea!  Let's shut down that cesspool for a day.

302

Then what?

Posted by: a clueless idjit at January 06, 2010 05:16 PM (QXKjZ)

Universal Registration. ACORN-like massive vote fraud. Hardly unique in history.

The USSR used to hold elections. The NORKs still do. Heh.

303
@307 Miss Marple
@311 unknown jane

You're talking about future generations now.

Which is it? 

Do you want the immediate path to turning some portion of Obama's supporters against him under the fiction that they were masterfully bamboozled? 

Or, do you want the long-term benefits of conditioning people to understand that a stupid vote tossed toward hopeandchange is a vote for hardship?

We're arguing over how to treat these idiots once they accept the premise that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are destroying the country.  We're counting chickens before they hatch.

We're stuck in this suck at least until November.  If things continue as they have been between now and then, and the idiots still turn-out to support Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, then there is nothing left to save.

304

Saddam Hussein was very popular on election day. And as Opie tells us "Iran had a robust debate"!!

Robust!!

Debate!!

Bang.

Dead.

305 Saw this a few days ago.  It needs tighter editing and better video compression so it would play on slower DSL lines without breaking up.  The message is fine, the production is mediocre.

306

312 -- no, you're not thinking through what I've said:  I desperately want this committe as it were that's in office now out, but I don't want to see a bad situation made even worse.  Politics, as has been stated already and much better than I ever could, is not a pedagological tool.  You want them to learn a lesson?  I think the next year will not fail you; don't ask for more retribution than that -- which would you rather? Save the republic and this country, or teach a lesson to those of your countrymen you do not care for?

Think of it this way: if those o-voters who are contemplating jumping ship in 10 and 12 are not encouraged to do so, then we risk 1)getting the same group of idiots or their fellow travellers back in office again (oh, yippee); 2)an even more polarized populace than now (and fascists have always loved situations where you have a staggering republic and an extremely polarized populace; we've been extremely fortunate in this country to have missed that bullet so far; probably not wise to tempt fate, no?  One could argue that we're already dealing with that right now.).  I don't see things getting better, and it could become infinitely worse.   No thank you.

307 I think I am missing a point in all of this:

If the video causes Iskandar's 7% - 14% of Obama's supporters to turn against him today, then how does that help the country?

308 @319 unknown jane

You want them to learn a lesson?  I think the next year will not fail you; don't ask for more retribution than that -- which would you rather? Save the republic and this country, or teach a lesson to those of your countrymen you do not care for?

This is what I'm talking about right here.  I agree that we're all getting this lesson good and hard.

How does letting people off-the-hook for their stupidity contribute to "sav[ing] the republic and this country?"

309

316 -- and yes, spot on I'm thinking about future generations.  I've got them playing in my living room right now; they are more important to me.

 

And yes, some of the people (not all, but some) who voted in the abomination did so out of foolish sheeple-ness.  Sadly, this is the way of the majority of the human condition.  I think many are already questioning their good sense, or lack thereof.  I don't really have any desire to go after those people -- I don't consider them my enemies; I merely consider them foolish (and if you believe that you can eradicate foolishness from humanity for good by "teaching them a lesson", then you might want to seriously reconsider the faith you place in homo sapiens).  If they want to change their minds, then who am I to stand in their way?

310 Hope you are right, and things will Change, Jane. I surely do. I'm just not planning on it.

311 321 -- because if they want to jump ship now I'm not keen on tossing them back until they've learned a lesson, or more of one or whatever it is that you seem to want; the crop of bastards in office need to be voted out in '10 and '12 -- every vote will count; I'll take them where I can find them.  What's in office right now must not be allowed any more of an already sizeable toehold; I really do believe that they must be voted out in the next two election cycles.  After that, you want to beat people over the head for nearly wrecking the republic with their foolish voting choices, then more power to you -- I'll be right there alongside -- but not right now.

312 Diggers:

http://tinyurl.com/ydgn55r

313 I'm not planning on anything except survival and trying to at least get a Republican majority in the House, to slow Obama down. 

I want enough of the foolish people to migrate back over to our side and help accomplish this.  I am not interested in punishing people for foolishness.

On the other hand, not enough bad things can happen to the media and to senior democrats,  who are in cahoots trying to destroy the country. 

314

323 -- heh, you know, I used to love the word "hope"; it was the core of one of my favorite myths -- Pandora's box.  I'm more pissed off over the abuse that word has gotten than I am how the term "liberal" has been dragged through the mud.

But I'm not speaking for a very hopeful pov -- in fact, I'm more cynical than you are Rodent.  I don't believe any lessons would ever change the inherent foolishness and vapidity of most people; everyone will always be at the mercies of appeals to their emotions and the chance at a freebie.  So, the best that a person can do is to try and keep the powers that be in check as nonviolently as possible.  I've got no great dreams of totally remaking society...I just want to see these pricks in office right now voted out as hastily as possible and before they do even more harm.

315

Say the Republicans win in 2010.

What, exactly, will get reversed? What bureaucracy will end? How will the Rs pay for all this folly?

Good question. What will happen is that they will try to roll back he current Obamacare legislation. Which is a good thing. But it only means that it will be implemented in pieces instead of whole hog. Like when George Bush teamed up with Teddy Kennedy to add prescription coverage to Medicare, which is unlikely to ever be removed. That's a piece. Then some idiot will propose legislation to, say, expand Medicare to cover low-income children, the RINOs will vote for it, and that's another piece.

Boiling the frog, as they say.

316 326 -- the media and the statist pigs: they could stand with a little of the inglorius basterds treatment if you ask me...so when they try to retire and go back to the "quiet life amongst the little people"...

317

328 -- then we all have only two choices:  open revolt, or accept the situation as it stands, huh?

Or we can try to vote in something that puts a stop to some of this madness and then later tries to roll it back a bit by bit (that's the only non-violent thing I can think of that might work).  I wish there was a better answer out there somewhere, but I'm not seeing it.

318

The original is here:  http://tinyurl.com/yhkq2j5

It has 130,000 hits.  Pass THAT one around.  The hit count has been monkeyed with since day one.  The guy/gal who made it emailed me saying it was stuck on 340 hits, even though his counter showed 7,000.  Same thing happened when they adjusted the count to 6,800, but, I guess they gave in, and had to admit it was going viral.  Great stuff. 

319

My dad told me that the Republicans were in the same slump when Carter was elected. But they snapped out of it and got Raegan elected, and they were optimistic for the next 15 years, until the RNC made Dole their candidate.

So snap out of it, guys.

It's kind of like global warming and ice ages. They come and go in cycles.

Think of it this way, too, and have some compassion for black people. Obama could be such a disaster that a black man won't get elected again for another 232 years.

The Republican Party is still a fine party. It will bounce back. I'm optimistic.

320

The Republican Party is still a fine party. It will bounce back. I'm optimistic.

Nah, not really. We'll get there, someday, but right now the Republican is not ready to lead. The Democrats should stay in control for a little while longer.

321 @324 unknown jane

In my understanding of human nature, it is far easier to raise a mob than it is to entice people to examine themselves critically.

I didn't make it that way.  That is just how it is.

The makers of the video present the premise that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are damaging the country.  I know this.  You know this.  Miss Marple knows this.  Iskandar knows this.  Some of the Obama voters know this.

You are saying that people will be more willing to accept that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are damaging this country if they have a way to reconcile this with the fact that they voted for Obama.  They need this "out" because they think critically about how they voted and want to be consistent with their former selves.

You give these voters too much credit.  If they were thinkers, they wouldn't have voted for Obama in the first place.

I am saying that as things get worse, the Obama voters need to get the blame for this worsening because it will bring more Obama voters to our side.  The sad fact of human nature is that Obama voters will crawl out of the woodwork and pretend to have voted against him just to join in the Obama-bashing.  Hell, I'd bet people with glue marks from their scraped-off Obama/Biden bumper stickers will join-in.

This is how people are.

322 Kinda weird to be facing some of the same dilemmas as the founding fathers, eh?

323

Think of it this way, too, and have some compassion for black people. Obama could be such a disaster that a black man won't get elected again for another 232 years.

No.

I have no compassion for folks who vote based on skin color.

Are you with the RNC?

324 @326 Miss Marple

I am not interested in punishing people for foolishness.

Without some understanding of how it helps me and what I want for this country, I am opposed to providing these assholes an "out" for their foolishness. 

If I'm going to suffer hardship for their foolishness, then nobody will ever make me STFU about their foolishness.

This is not to get me some sense of satisfaction.  This is so that they fear what I will do to them if they ever do it again.  We make ourselves human by choice, but we are all still animals.

325 Plus, I am beginning to worry about the other consequences: these bastards don't get tossed out, things really go to hell in a hand basket, and oh yeah, you'll get your "lesson learned" -- you'll run the risk of getting something worse than what we have now.

Sadly, the die is already cast. Tossing people out, now, will not stop the monetary catastrophe headed our way. We have bailed out everyone, had the federal government assume tons of private liabilities, along with assuming other huge liabilities (just for kicks, I guess), and instead of having to worry about our economy collapsing (which our nation can easily survive) we are now face-to-face with monetary collapse (which our nation CANNOT survive), and there is no way out of this, since the Fed has already spent trillions (swapping cash for worthless toxic assets, to the tune of over 3 trillion, now) and the federal government has already assumed responsibilities that cannot be returned to the appropriate entities.

Failed republics get replaced by fascist dictators

They generally do, unless they just dissolve in chaos. Dissolution is pretty clearly what our nation is headed for. Anyone who stays attached to the federal government is going to be dragged down with it.

There is one slim chance to escape this, but the actions needed (Constitutional amendments, repeals of many laws, sapping power from Executive agencies, like the EPA, ... - and, most importantly, a willingness to default on our debt instead of monetize it - as monetization is assured death) are so extreme that they will not happen. I doubt any of them will happen, let alone all of them, as needed.

-- and we are on the precipice of failing if we're not careful. No thanks; I've got kids.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 06, 2010 05:09 PM (5/yRG)

We passed the "if we're not careful" point on Nov 4th, 2008. After that, our fate was pretty much set. The only action that will save something of America will be secession, and the construction of a new nation that is based on American traditions and limited, Constitutional governance.

That's how I see it, at least.

326

Patience, people.  Timing is everything. 

Let's not get too cocky too early.

327 @338 [Lapua] progressoverpeace

There is one slim chance to escape this, but the actions needed (Constitutional amendments, repeals of many laws, sapping power from Executive agencies, like the EPA, ... - and, most importantly, a willingness to default on our debt instead of monetize it - as monetization is assured death) are so extreme that they will not happen. I doubt any of them will happen, let alone all of them, as needed.

There is another way to effect the same thing:  "Shut it down."

If the House flips, then leadership can prevent spending bills and a Continuing Resolution from hitting the floor for FY2012.  The key is to get the GOP to run this as their one-plank platform.

328 Gold today 1,135.90

329 @340 self

[in response to] @338 progressoverpeace

Jeff Jacoby's piece might help make an executive-branch shutdown more palatable to the general public.

330 I'll ask the same question again since you avoided it for some reason, Mike. When was the last time your mind was changed by someone screaming at you?

Posted by: Iskandar


My mind changes when facts, reason, and logic support change.  If something takes screaming at me to drive it through my thick skull, then, in that instance, it is an effective technique.

Posted by: MikeO

I was gonna say Basic Training/Boot Camp, but Mike beat me to it.  Speaking for myself, it worked like a charm.

331 Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 06:23 PM (Ce+tv)

One can freeze all government spending levels, or even reduce some, but that is not going to take care of the monetary problem. The other problem is that the federal courts are not stopped from forcing their own unfunded mandates on everyone - like forcing states to pay for the medical care of illegals and people without insurance. The federal courts have alswo been complicit in the raping of our Constitution. But, as bad as the federal courts have been, they have been getting injections of insane leftist jurists who will wreak damage far into the future (as far as the future of this nation has left).

And, I just keep coming back to the point that trust in our nation has been shredded. The idiocy manifested on Nov 4th was an event that can't be undone. Our nation went totally nuts. After a psychotic break of that sort, the system cannot just be returned to a sane state - and that is on top of all the legislation, reorganization, and reorientation of US policy that has taken place.

Our nation proved itself unwilling to uphold the Constitution in the face of riots in the cities. We had a public conversation in which many preferred to intentionally ignore the Constitution in order to avoid "the riots". That is just a fact that we now have to deal with, and the ochlocracy it brings with it does not have a long life span.

But, like I said, this is all, in the end, a monetary issue. The loss of faith in our institutions and the unpredictability and capriciousness of federal government action has harmed our economy enough that we will not be able to grow our way out of the monetary situation, even if the current anti-growth policies were replaced with solid pro-growth ones.

The answer to this dilemma is default, as that would save the currency and, therefore, the federal government, but we will not default. We will monetize our way to hell, instead, and that will end with the collapse of the federal government. Too many people forget that the US dollar is a unique currency that cannot be replaced by anything. This is not Weimar Germany or Albania or Iceland or Zimbabwe, all of which were only partial players, at most, in the global monetary systems. The US dollar occupies a position unique in history in our being the largest, the trade, and the reserve currency - and being a fiat currency at that. When the dollar goes ... it's just much worse than most people understand. There are no historical parallels to a collapse of the US dollar.

332

I understand your negativity, and your griping is understandable, too.

But it's unproductive.

You need to have a reality check.

The Republicans lost Congress, because they sat on their hands and accomplished very little when they were in the majority. After Newt left, their ship lost its rudder, too.

It was so obvious that they should have recognized, too, that they needed to pass reasonable and sensible healthcare legislation preemptively, written soundly enough with a large enough appeal to the majority of Americans that it wouldn't be exploited and manipulated to serve the best interests of a minority who would use it to cynically attain power for themselves; i.e., legislation which couldn't be perverted by the Democrats. It wouldn't have taken that much work if it was designed and constructed  properly by reasonably intelligent people.

With all things being considered, and in view of the circumstances, George Bush did a pretty good job. But the Republicans in Congress were, at best, inept. And I don't to even talk about the RNC's canidate, McCain.

But that's history. Let's move on. Republicans can and will regain control of Congress.

Cheer up. Things could be worse. Cynthia McKinney could be POTUS.

333 The letter should be to the few real democrats who remain and vote. If Peeloshi/Reid and company force this farce health care bill through and you vote for any democrat that proves that all democrats are as criminal and stink as bad as their politicians.

334

The Republicans lost Congress, because they sat on their hands and accomplished very little when they were in the majority. After Newt left, their ship lost its rudder, too.

Rinse and repeat.

Hope does not conquer all. I tire of the Kabuki.

335 @344 progressoverpeace

While I hold-out hope, I have been investing in lead and have cultivated the mindset needed to deliver the same within my own neighborhood.  That part of preparation is water-under-the-bridge for me.

I think (hope?) that an executive branch shut-down for FY2012 will be sufficient because the only remaining other player of note, Red China, currently has a vested interest in the dollar's primacy.

When the sky doesn't fall after a few months of shutdown, people across the nation will be wondering why we ever needed DoEd/HHS/HUD/DoL/etc. in the first place.

336 The Republicans lost Congress, because they sat on their hands and accomplished very little when they were in the majority. After Newt left, their ship lost its rudder, too. The GOP lost because they ticked way too many people off with their insane shamnesty. That was the start of the big faith problem in our institutions - a serious faith problem. What that prick, McShame, did with amnesty was the prelude to what the lunatic left are doing, now, with everything. The difference is that it only took three kills to put the shamnesty in the grave, while the Washington junta and their Indonesian leader won't let anything kill their plans. They will ram it all through, no matter what. They don't care if America dies (and many of them, like the Indonesian imbecile, want America killed) and there are no constraints on them, at all.

The GOP also lost because most of America thought they ran Capitol Hill after 2006.

It was so obvious that they should have recognized, too, that they needed to pass reasonable and sensible healthcare legislation preemptively, written soundly enough with a large enough appeal to the majority of Americans that it wouldn't be exploited and manipulated to serve the best interests of a minority who would use it to cynically attain power for themselves; i.e., legislation which couldn't be perverted by the Democrats. It wouldn't have taken that much work if it was designed and constructed properly by reasonably intelligent people.

The federal government has no business in health care, at all. Other than making interstate commerce of insurance regular, the feds should be out of that issue, totally.

With all things being considered, and in view of the circumstances, George Bush did a pretty good job. But the Republicans in Congress were, at best, inept. And I don't to even talk about the RNC's canidate, McCain.

I mostly agree. I like Bush, but he veered so far to the left in his second term that it made me sick. He fired just about everyone I respected and hired a bunch of worms in their places. But, Bush managed well and was, indeed, excellent at deciding and acting - though many of his decisions were left-leaning and silly - and he was a man of integrity.

But that's history. Let's move on. Republicans can and will regain control of Congress.

Cheer up. Things could be worse. Cynthia McKinney could be POTUS.

Posted by: Mystery Guest at January 06, 2010 06:47 PM (ITzbJ)

I can't see a bit of difference between The Precedent and Cynthia McKinney in the Oval Office. Certainly no policy differences, at all, no personnel differences, and no one is more inept and hates America more than The Precedent. We would be at bottom ... if there were a bottom to this chasm.

337 I think (hope?) that an executive branch shut-down for FY2012 will be sufficient because the only remaining other player of note, Red China, currently has a vested interest in the dollar's primacy.

When the sky doesn't fall after a few months of shutdown, people across the nation will be wondering why we ever needed DoEd/HHS/HUD/DoL/etc. in the first place.

Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 07:03 PM (Ce+tv)

Hmmmm. I have to give this idea some thought. I'm not sure it will do what you want, but it's worth a look.

338

Hope? No. Hope is for the guy who wastes his money on lottery tickets.

Winning is the word. Winning is a state of mind, not at aspiration or an effort. It will make of the difference between failure and success.

339 Anyone else feel like November seems to be awfully far away?

340 @350 progressoverpeace

The part I left out of that bit about Red China is that they might be invested enough in the health of the dollar to engage in some wishful thinking of their own, and an executive-branch shutdown would be a move in the right direction with respect to spending.

341 @352 red speck

Anyone else feel like November seems to be awfully far away?

Not really.  Here's why:

I'm assuming that November will be a repudiation of what's been happening.  If it's not, then screw it--there's nothing left to salvage.

If I'm right on the repudiation thing, then the GOP will be setting an agenda for the next couple of years based on both the strength and content of whatever platform they set going into November.

This platform can range from the weakest extremes of a RINO "we're not Obama" to the sledgehammer-in-the-balls possibilities of "SHUT IT DOWN!"

In my opinion, getting the GOP to embrace the "SHUT IT DOWN!" mentality is the goal.

342 Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 07:30 PM (Ce+tv)

My feeling on China is that they are looking to trade their Treasuries for Taiwan (which is a hell of a deal for them, really) - though a collapse of the US government would give them Taiwan, just the same.

All this talk about treasuries makes me think back to what the story really was with that $132 billion in allegedly fake treasuries (bearer bonds of some sort, IIRC) found in Italy months ago ...

343

If you hit her forehead with a rubberband, would her skin explode?

Mythbusters!  We have a mission for you.!

344 I'm curious, progresso, who were the people you liked that GW "fired"? And in what respect did GW veer to the left in your perception of events?

345 @355 progressoverpeace

The Red Chinese could collapse the USA tomorrow if they wanted.

They would rather eat their cake and have it, too, if they could.  The only question at this point is their confidence in whether there will be a cake tomorrow.

346 The government doesn't have to become part of the healthcare industry to enact legislation that will improve the ways in which segments of that industry operate. Analogy: The Fed doesn't have to manufacture seat belts for cars to compel you to wear them.

347

"The GOP also lost because most of America thought they ran Capitol Hill after 2006."

You lost me on that one. Please clarify. Thanks. 

348 @355 progressoverpeace

All this talk about treasuries makes me think back to what the story really was with that $132 billion in allegedly fake treasuries (bearer bonds of some sort, IIRC) found in Italy months ago ...

My guess on the fake treasuries is that this kind of stuff happens all the time.  The only difference this time is that the news hit the wires because some Treasury functionary with a badge--maybe disgusted with the Marxist in the White House and his pet tax cheat--didn't do all that he could do to "erase" this from the news.

That's just a guess, mind you.

349 I'm curious, progresso, who were the people you liked that GW "fired"?

"Fired" was not the right word. My mistake. The change in his cabinet and advisors for the second term is what I was referring to. He didn't "fire" Cheney, but he stopped listening to him and let Condi take his place (which was pathetically stupid). I didn't like his getting rid of Rumsfeld and many at Defense, Ashcroft (for whatever reasons he went), ...

And in what respect did GW veer to the left in your perception of events?

Posted by: Mystery Guest at January 06, 2010 07:56 PM (ITzbJ)

Bush veered to the left on just about everything in his second term. Except for his judicial nominations and his steadfastness in pushing the fight in Iraq (thank G-d), Bush went way left. His support of shamnesty was just so over the line that I considered it to have been impeachable (had he signed such legislation). Foreign policy went so far left that it boggled the mind (which is why The Precedent hasn't really had to change much of Bush's policies).

Bush went left almost everywhere in his second term. The only areas he didn't go left on were those in which his Christianity pushed him right (as with the courts).

I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you not think that Bush veered left in his second term?

350

Fox's Martha McCallum is my idea of the perfect girl.

She is smart and savvy and cute and sexy and funny and very pretty and she has class.

Some girls of have one or two or three of those characteristics, but not all seven of them.

On a scale of 1 to 10, she is a 25.

 

351 Analogy: The Fed doesn't have to manufacture seat belts for cars to compel you to wear them.

Posted by: Mystery Guest at January 06, 2010 08:07 PM (ITzbJ)

The fed doesn't compel you to wear seat belts and they have no business compelling you to wear seatbelts. Frankly, states have no business compelling you to wear seatbelts, but at least with states, you can move from one if the state government has run amok.

The government doesn't have to become part of the healthcare industry to enact legislation that will improve the ways in which segments of that industry operate.

That's true, but there really is little that the federal government ought to be doing about health care, anyway. Health care, and other issues individual issues, are state issues and need to remain state issues. The federal government has no business mucking around in health care, except to enhance and regularize interstate commerce.

"The GOP also lost because most of America thought they ran Capitol Hill after 2006."

You lost me on that one. Please clarify. Thanks.

That was part of Zeigler's "How Obama Won" piece. Polling showed that most Obama voters thought that the GOP still ran Congress, IIRC.

352 @362 progressoverpeace

Bush went left almost everywhere in his second term. The only areas he didn't go left on were those in which his Christianity pushed him right (as with the courts).

Left/right/whatever:  The Hurricane Katrina response was President Bush's biggest domestic political mistake.  Once the press started hanging him out to dry with their bullshit reports, he should have gone for Nagin's and Blanco's jugulars.  He had plenty of righteous opportunities to do so, but he passed on all of them.  That was a retarded mistake.

Both Blanco and Nagin should have been beaten to death and hanged by mobs.

353 Both Blanco and Nagin should have been beaten to death and hanged by mobs.

Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 08:28 PM (Ce+tv)

Heh. True.

But, I don't see what Bush did wrong in Katrina. It was not the federal government's job and the federal government cannot just move in and take over a city whenever it wants. Katrina was one of the situations where the federal government initially stayed in its rightful place (though it went haywire with money right after, which was a huge mistake). Libs blamed Bush just to blame him and because they don't understand the differences between the federal and state governments.

The fact that New Orleans voted Nagin back in just proves that Bush was right - though Bush thought he had been wrong. As far as the FEMA stuff that the left raised, that was all crap. The responsibility was with the state and the citizenry had to live with the politicians they elected. The fact that they were inept is no ones fault but Louisiannians. I remember listening to Joe Bastardi, on Fox, talk about New Orleans flooding for a whole week before it happened ... every night.

354 Left/right/whatever: The Hurricane Katrina response was President Bush's biggest domestic political mistake. Once the press started hanging him out to dry with their bullshit reports, he should have gone for Nagin's and Blanco's jugulars. He had plenty of righteous opportunities to do so, but he passed on all of them. That was a retarded mistake.

Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 08:28 PM (Ce+tv)

I forgot to write that I agree with this 1000%.

355

"Do you not think that Bush veered left in his second term?"

No.  The man fluctuated between being a moderate and a conservative. Fortunately, he was more conservative than his father was. I suspect that a man in his position recognizes that he has to try to please people from all political affiliations, and so he had to try to appease the left sometimes.

A fair and honest POTUS recognizes that he can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but he can't please all of the people all of the time.

George Bush and Dick Cheney and their wives are four of my favorite people. I campaigned vigorously for them in both presidential elections. I have bragging rights to knowing for a fact that I got at least 180 Democrats to vote for Bush/Cheney in 2000. THAT, my friend, was why Gore lost in Florida. Seriously. :-)

356 @366 progressoverpeace

It was P.C. (or, "mighty white" if you're familiar with the expression) of him to express the soft bigotry of his low expectations by not making an issue of the rank incompetence of the female governor and minority mayor.

There is a lot of ground between risking being perceived as violating stupid lefty sensitivities and being another Earl Butz. 

357

Certainly hope the repub "brain trust" has some creative people to produce tv ads re the many promises Mr. Wonderful has broken, transparency to name one.  Creative talent should have a field day.

Agree w/ #363. Would love to have 6 or 7 drinks w/ Martha. I'll bet she can be a lot of fun....

 

 

358

Agree w/ #363. Would love to have 6 or 7 drinks w/ Martha. I'll bet she can be a lot of fun....

Um yeah,  but I would rather to get 6 or 7 drinks into Martha, and then have fun with her. :-) 

359 MikeO

Regarding Katrina,  let me ask where the other Republicans were in defending Bush?  I will tell you...hiding under a desk.   Not a one came forward to defend him.  I suppose he could have taken time to get on TV and defend himself, only to be followed by an hour of leftist commentators calling him "defensive and consumed with self-guilt."

I saw Bobby Jindahl,  who KNEW what a crappy job Blanco and Nagin had done,  stand there along with Senator Vitter and whine and complain about Bush like he had dynamited those levees himself.   I will never forget nor forgive that, and I will NEVER support Jindahl for national office.

I saw Newt Gingrich castigate Bush on Fox and say that what we needed was a "Marshall Plan for the Gulf Coast." (For those in Rio Linda,  that would have been massive government funding for recovery.) 10 months later, when all of the fraud and thievery (remember those gift cards?) from Congress MASSIVE FEDERAL SPENDING WHICH GINGRICH HAD ENDORSED was revealed, Gingrich was again on Fox.  And what did he say?

"This is what you get when the federal government is involved, instead of the private sector."

So Gingrich was FOR federal spending before he was AGAINST it. 

And the only reason he had to do that was that both times gave him an opportunity to bash Bush on TV.  Feh.

So before you and and others decide Bush moved to the left, ask yourselves what all of these "conservative" heroes were doing.   I will tell you...they had out the long knives for Bush so that they could claw their way onto the national platform...nevermind about the country. 

Am I aggravated?  You bet.

360

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 09:01 PM (4DwVn)

 

Bravo! Encore! Encore! Yay! Hooray! Whoopee! Encore! Bravo! (sigh)

361 @372 Miss Marple

I never said that President Bush had moved to the left.

What I said about Katrina is representative of my frustration with GOP'ers who worry too much about what the left might think of them.

President Bush should have riled-up the country against Nagin and Blanco even if it led to riots of bloody fury. 

He was too much of a gentleman to have done so.  That's *my* beef with him.

362 So before you and and others decide Bush moved to the left, ask yourselves what all of these "conservative" heroes were doing. I will tell you...they had out the long knives for Bush so that they could claw their way onto the national platform...nevermind about the country.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 09:01 PM (4DwVn)

I said that Bush moved left, and he did - wildly so in many areas. As to Gingrich and Jindal and whomever else you are referring to, they aren't conservative heroes to me. Gingrich, who I really used to like, fell out of favor with me a long time ago, and his couch-sitting global warming bullshit with Nazi Pelosi during the campaign was the last straw, so far as I'm concerned. I don't know what Gingrich's problem is, but I wish he would shut his mouth and keep it to himself.

Anyone who castigated Bush for not having the federal government take over New Orleans during Katrina is no conservative. My view on this has been the same since the very event.

If the NOLA population had not reduced themselves to such savagery (even before the storm hit, as the looting at Wal Mart was going on before the levees ever broke - with the NOLA cops taking part in it) then the Christian charities would have moved right in and clothed and fed everyone - which is what they live for. It was the savage nature that that population had reverted to, along with the NOLA cops and mayor disappearing for days and the state doing nothing, at all, that caused all of the problems. The federal government had no job to do, on the ground, in Katrina, and for any normal population it wasn't needed (as seen in every other area that Katrina hit and destroyed, such as through Mississippi).

363 Well,  slap me silly,  but I don't think a president should cause "riots of bloody fury."

One of these days I am going to figure out a way to get Republicans and conservatives and libertarians to realize how their unreasonable expectations do nothing to advance our cause,  but rather keep good people from participating in politics.

Bush was excellent.  Does anyone remember his executive orders getting rid of so many of the onerous EPA regulations?  How about his refusing Kyoto and infuriating the enviro-nuts?   How about his going ahead with missile defense?  His telling China we would defend Taiwan?  Bueller? Anyone?

Frankly,  after the juvenile performance of the Congress and pundits over Harriet Meiers and the immigration reform,  I wouldn't have blamed him if he simply quit and went fishing.   All of the things he had done for the nation,  his proven integrity, his courage under fire, and the whiny talk show hosts didn't like Harriet Meiers because she wasn't from an Ivy League school and didn't come up to their standards.  Boo hoo.  You could have pulled in a night school grad from some third-rate law school and that person would have been better than the liberals on the court now.   So the conservatives pretty much told Bush they wanted him to do theirbidding and they were not going to do a favor for him.  In the process they humiliated one of his very good friends and to no purpose except ego.

And that "shamnesty" (as I hear it called so much in various blogs).  It was NOT amnesty, but talk show hosts and grandstanders in the pundit class never bothered to really investigate it.  In the process of stopping it, a whole bunch of people acted like complete lunkheads, insulting and mocking Mexicans left and right.  So I guess those lunkheads showed Bush,  didn't they?  And what did we get out of that?   A whole bunch of Hispanic votes for the democrats, and now that we have a democrat president,  we will get REAL amnesty and the Hispanics will vote democrat for a generation or more, all because people were too stupid to understand the long-term ramifications of their silly ranting.

I can go on and on, but that is enough for tonight.   I am old enough to know that self-indulgent emotionalism,  "teaching people a lesson," and other such folly is a sure way to lose.  that's LOSE, as in "see our country destroyed."

364 Ever get the feeling America has become a country of bitchy gossips?

365 #377

Yes I do.   I think that's one reason I like Palin...she doesn't participate in this crap.  You will notice she isn't on Facebook attacking Bush or McCain.  She is attacking OBAMA, which is exactly right.

366 And that "shamnesty" (as I hear it called so much in various blogs). It was NOT amnesty, but talk show hosts and grandstanders in the pundit class never bothered to really investigate it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 09:42 PM (4DwVn)

It was worse than amnesty. Amnesty would have only involved legalizing the residency of illegals. What McShame and Bush supported in 2005 was far worse than just offering amnesty. They wanted to provide "paths to citizenship" for illegals who already held citizenship in other countries (and had no reason to be given another to add to their collections). What McCain-Kennedy wanted to do was aiding and abetting. On top of that, shamnesty tore the right to shreds, along with trashing institutions and turning the federal government against the citizenry. Many of us predicted the death of the GOP because of that idiotic fight (go look at blog comments from back then) and that is exactly what happened in 2006 and 2008.

367 @376 Miss Marple

Riots of bloody fury would have prevented Obama.  Riots of blood fury would have put the PRESSING NEED FOR COMPETENCE IN OUR ELECTED LEADERS on center stage.

As for SHAMNESTY, Latin American "Catholics" are just like Irish "Catholics."  "Social Justice" trumps all other teachings of the church so they can vote for the democrats.

As for Harriet Miers, the right was rightfully still stinging from Souter, and Miers bore all the same ambiguity.  Are you saying that it was a mistake to force President Bush to reconsider and then nominate Alito?

You are the one engaging in emotionalism.  You are the one wishing that giving the stupid assholes who voted for Obama a pass is going to make things better.  It doesn't work like that.

I don't care whether they learn from their mistake.  I just want them all gone.  Failing that, having them fear going to the polls ever again will be enough for me.

368 I don't care whether they learn from their mistake. I just want them all gone. Failing that, having them fear going to the polls ever again will be enough for me.

Posted by: MikeO at January 06, 2010 09:57 PM (Ce+tv)

Hear, hear!

369 You know,  I think I am going to go to bed and quit talking to you guys.

I don't need  to get my blood pressure up,  and there is no point in continuing.

Since I don't control any of the media or party apparatus,  you can rest assured that my opinion won't sway the RNC or the media one bit.   Good luck with your plan of humiliating the people who were misled.

Oh, and thanks for the insult to my faith.  I am a Catholic.

370

@11: "Here's hoping we have someone in the GOP and/or conservative movement who has the balls to drive the message home."

So, in short, we're fucked.

371

WOOT.

That's the spirit!

372

Have you ever watched and listened to Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama for a long, sustained length of time? That good, ol' boy could be presidential material.

He's quiet, but thoughtful, savvy, smart and sly ..., and he has ethics, integrity and character.

373 Good luck with your plan of humiliating the people who were misled.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 06, 2010 10:02 PM (4DwVn)

They weren't misled. Anyone with a brain understood what the Indonesian imbecile was all about from way back in the campaign. How could you not? The people who voted for him weren't misled. They either hated America and looked forward to putting an America-hating imbecile in the White House or they were moved by white guilt and treated the Presidential vote as if it were nothing more consequential than an American Idol vote. But no one was misled by The Precedent.

I don't mean to be obstinate about this, but I just don't see any other possibility. For example, the Rev Wright tape, on its own, should have been enough for anyone. I mean, really. And there were soooooo many other instances of the same type.

374

@98: "and stop re-electing the same liberal democrats back into office."

Hey, a lot of them are retiring.  People will be electing all new liberal democrats into office. CHANGE!

375

Now, now, Miss Marple, there's no call for you to get huffy, but I must say that you are cute when you pout.

If you're gonna be opionated, you gotta expect some flack.

But then, if it's your bedtime there in that home for old geezers, we understand.

Nighty-night there, granny.

376 Damn. She. Is. Ugly. And as they say, beauty is only skin deep, ugliness goes to the bone.

377 @382 Miss Marple

Oh, and thanks for the insult to my faith.  I am a Catholic.

And so am was I.  I quit the Church on the day I had to listen to a homily from a fucking communist bastard with a collar expressly praising that cocksucker, Michael J. Fox, for his endurance of Parkinson's Disease.  This was in 2004 when that slimeball piece of shit, Fox, filmed anti-Bush ads (for that fucking dickhead, Kerry) while off his meds so he would shake like a pocket rocket while  decrying President Bush's refusal to federally fund new lines of embryonic stem cells. 

When I asked the priest's boss (the priest who married me and my wife) about this crap, the pastor gave me the standard "you can't be more Catholic than the Pope" line of bullshit.  I'll gladly burn in hell for all eternity so long as every Marx-worshipping piece of shit is burning beside me.

Social justice is the loophole in the Catholic teachings that makes Latin America the Marxist shithole that it is.  Social "justice" is the DISEASE vector that the illegals ride into this country. 

Supporting amnesty was a mistake.

378

@376: "Bush was excellent."

To quote Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Wait, you're serious.  In that case, let me laugh even harder."

He may be a decent person, but he had delusions of gross incompetence, and that's being charitable.  I don't doubt that he mostly did what he thought was best, but that was sort of the problem with him.

379 I gotta tell you, Mike, you've sure gotta way with words. I

380 That music was more ominous than the huge pic of Pelosi.

381

but that was sort of the problem with him.

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382 @391 Fa Cube Itches

He may be a decent person, but he had delusions of gross incompetence, and that's being charitable.  I don't doubt that he mostly did what he thought was best, but that was sort of the problem with him.

The man was really good until he was not good.  He made the mistake of thinking that our domestic enemies were the loyal opposition.

To take this idea to its extreme, imagine how different things would have been if, upon Jane Fonda's return from Hanoi in 1972, Nixon had her arrested and tried for treason. 

Imagine how much better life the last thirty years would have been had that whore danced in air like Danny Deever for her transgression.

383 @392 Mystery Guest

I gotta tell you, Mike, you've sure gotta way with words.

I apologize for my disgusting profanity.  I went to Christmas Mass with the in-laws, and, for my wife's sake, I pretend I never left the church.

The communion wafer singes my tongue like a burning coal.  I know I shouldn't take it, but Obama as POTUS is proof that God hates me.

384 It seems to me that if there was any justice left in this country, or any Viet Nam vets with any balls, they would have taken care of the Jane Fonda problem a long time ago.

385 No apology necessary. Your, um, colorful language certainly isn't boring.

386 @397 Mystery Guest

It seems to me that if there was any justice left in this country, or any Viet Nam vets with any balls, they would have taken care of the Jane Fonda problem a long time ago.

There are plenty of vets with balls.  The problem is the disbelief that the enemy walks among us.  This is the same problem that President Bush suffered.  I suspect that this is the same problem that I encountered on this thread regarding what the Obama voters deserve.

Anyone who voted for that piece of shit effectively renounced his citizenship.  We don't know who they are because of the secret ballot, but we *do* know who spoke-up for the kenyan bastard.

387

but Obama as POTUS is proof that God hates me.

No, when you consider that 52% of the voters voted for Obama and 46% voted for McCain, you must conclude that 98% of the voters are loony, and the people who didn't vote are the only people who are still sane.

388 @398 Mystery Guest

No apology necessary. Your, um, colorful language certainly isn't boring.

Oh.  Sorry.  Was it my split infinitive, "to federally fund"?  As I understand it, splitting infinitives is "cool" now.  All the hep cats are doing it.  It was a bullshit rule, anyway, since English combines with "to" rather than doing endings as in the romance languages.

389 @400 Mystery Guest

No, when you consider that 52% of the voters voted for Obama and 46% voted for McCain, you must conclude that 98% of the voters are loony, and the people who didn't vote are the only people who are still sane.

Maybe.

With my one vote, I:

1.  Voted strongly against Obama

2.  Voted very weakly for McCain

3.  Voted strongly for Governor Palin in the event (heaven forbid, of course) that something bad happens to a President McCain

Throughout this thread, I have been accused of being intolerantly adamant over purity because of my wanting to see Obama voters suffer.  I am most certainly not.

Suffering will prevent Obama voters from making the same mistake in the future.  Whether they avoid this mistake by voting for freedom or by staying home on election day makes no damned difference to me.

390

I'm out of here. Enjoyed reading the comments here tonight. Have a good night.

P.S.

If you see Miss Marple again before I do, please convey my apologies to her. I feel badly that she got her feelings hurt  here this evening. She seemed like a good person.

 

Adios, amigos.

391 #376 Miss Marple!  BRAVA!  A standing ovation!

392 Until I saw that picture of Nancy, I didn't realize that she was so photogenic,

393 You really think these people are going to give up all this power? Dream on.

There will be no mid-term elections in 2010. Get yourself used to the idea now so you don't get caught by surprise. National state of emergency means martial law, and martial law means indefinitely suspended elections.

What sucks the most is that for a national state of emergency to be declared, something really REALLY fucking bad will have to happen.

Read history, and read David Horowitz's new little booklet, "Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model."

http://tinyurl.com/ykkuc52

This little booklet is the single most enlightening thing I've read on how we got to where we are today. As a former radical leftist, Horowitz knows how these people think and how they operate. And he was there in the middle of it all when the foundations were being laid for the communist coup that's in process right now.

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The thuggery and socialism inherent in the Obama administration was on FULL DISPLAY during the election.  The people that put this man in office stabbed us int he back, and now I am supposed to be all impressed that a few of the fuckers finally comprehend their folly?

A pox on the jackasses even if they DO have video skills.

Let me say it again:  Fuckers!

396

Democrats, you losers, you're toast. 

 

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