August 23, 2010
— Maetenloch Well thatÂ’s the takeaway from this Gallup poll that found that a majority of Americans (53%) have an unfavorable view of Islam.
(I donÂ’t quite get the Buddhism hate - can Richard Gere do that much harm?)
Of course this is enough to make all the bien pensants wring their hands over this supposed American Islamophobia and leads to lectures and covers like this.
The current narrative in the MSM is that after the 9/11 attacks Americans were so angry that they tarred all Muslims as terrorists and so the opposition to the Ground Zero mosque is merely another manifestation of this bigotry. But is this really true? I think not. Thanks to Spengler hereÂ’s a chart tracking how many people say Islam is very different from their own religion:
Note that it has steadily grown from a narrow gap of 20% right after 9/11 to nearly 50% to 2007. So if Americans were really as Islamophobic as the elite believe, youÂ’d have expected to see this view peak right after 9/11. But thatÂ’s not what happened.
After 9/11 I believe most Americans wanted to be fair and were willing to hold any judgment of Muslims in abeyance expecting that they would be the first to condemn and root out the terrorists and the radical interpretations of Islam driving them. But sadly in the 10 years since then the actions of Muslims have been rather underwhelming.
I can think of at most maybe one or two times that I’ve heard an Muslim in the media denounce terrorism without the inevitable ‘but’ appearing somewhere. And while surveys of Muslims show a majority oppose terrorism, the fact that 20%+ are okay with suicide bombing is not exactly reassuring.
And thereÂ’s now a pattern of Islamic figures held up as moderate role models turning out to be quite radical when examined closely - the Ground Zero MosqueÂ’s Imam Rauf is just the latest example of this. Frankly the American people have shown remarkable sensitivity and tolerance towards Muslims despite 9/11. A tolerance seldom reciprocated by Muslim groups here or abroad.
Plus since 9/11 Americans have become much more knowledgeable about Islam in general. As Spengler points out over a million American soldiers and civilians have had first hand experience with sharia and Islam as itÂ’s actually practiced in the middle east. All of this has contributed I think to a general souring of Americans towards Muslims in America and Islam in general.
The MSM likes to portray this all as uninformed hate and fear of the other. But maybe Americans took good long look at Islam and decided they didnÂ’t like what they saw.
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Posted by: sifty at August 23, 2010 02:51 PM (0niR1)
Next you're gonna tell me Americans also hate cuttin' off heads, throwing acid in school girls faces and blowin' up pizza shops. Shit.
Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2010 02:52 PM (Chg7a)
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2010 02:52 PM (0K3p3)
Posted by: sifty at August 23, 2010 02:54 PM (0niR1)
Posted by: Bitter clinger to truth at August 23, 2010 02:54 PM (Fr8N6)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 23, 2010 02:56 PM (xmEXV)
And while surveys of Muslims show a majority oppose terrorism, the fact that 20%+ are okay with suicide bombing is not exactly reassuring.
Always ask the next question: What do you consider "terrorism"? Most of the terrorist-opposers will cite actions by America and Israel as examples.
Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2010 02:56 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: durandal at August 23, 2010 02:56 PM (m8TmI)
Posted by: sifty at August 23, 2010 06:50 PM (0niR1)
You may be interested to learn that the entire company can be had for less than the price of the 12-pack of Charmin.
Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2010 02:57 PM (QKKT0)
The operative word being irrational.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 23, 2010 02:57 PM (xO+6C)
Waiting for the news media elites to catch up to common knowledge in 5, 4, 3, 2... oh never mind. Who am I kidding?
Posted by: The Public at August 23, 2010 02:57 PM (Chg7a)
Posted by: eman at August 23, 2010 02:57 PM (Nw/hR)
Pretty sure that the MFM will report this as the 53% that voted against Obama.
/I learned all I need to know about Islam at jihadwatch.com
Posted by: shibumi at August 23, 2010 02:57 PM (OKZrE)
Follow-up: Americans donated millions and millions to help the tsunami victims, who were by and large, moslum, yet, was there a single mosulm charity or group that helped their own?
No, we've had ten years to get to know the mosulms up close and personal and there is not one instance where an observer on the American side could walk away and say, "I now have more respect for the moslum religion." NONE.
Posted by: jimmuy at August 23, 2010 02:58 PM (WFbbb)
Posted by: Max Entropy at August 23, 2010 03:00 PM (la188)
I remember when it was OK to dislike any organized religion. Those were good times. America, F-yeah... ah, back then. Now it's OK to dislike all but one. Almost as good! Ah....?
Posted by: Beagle at August 23, 2010 03:00 PM (sOtz/)
I donÂ’t quite get the Buddhism hate - can Richard Gere do that much harm?
Buddhists are passive pussies who bitch and moan about their plight while trying to get other people to do their fighting for them. At least that why I hate 'em.
Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2010 03:00 PM (Chg7a)
Posted by: eman at August 23, 2010 03:00 PM (Nw/hR)
Posted by: Mætenloch at August 23, 2010 03:01 PM (+vUM9)
Posted by: Joe Namath at August 23, 2010 03:01 PM (BP6Z1)
(I donÂ’t quite get the Buddhism hate - can Richard Gere do that much harm?)
Its not surprising to me. I imagine Hinduism would be similar. Most Americans are Christians and are likely to have a view of being less favorable to the religions that are distinctly different from Christianity like the eastern religions and most traditional African religions. That doesn't mean an unfavorable view equates to an intolerant or hostile view though.
Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2010 03:01 PM (oVQFe)
Any guesses?
Posted by: The Hammer at August 23, 2010 03:02 PM (32ubA)
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:02 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: Deadly Doo Right at August 23, 2010 03:02 PM (E0cxX)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 23, 2010 03:03 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: cali grump at August 23, 2010 03:03 PM (1tJr/)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 23, 2010 03:03 PM (V/EYZ)
Posted by: PaleRider at August 23, 2010 03:03 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Dumb Poll Taker at August 23, 2010 03:03 PM (aOKEC)
I wonder why that could be?
Posted by: JohnJ at August 23, 2010 03:05 PM (xjy39)
But, but, if he just gave me chance, I know he'd fall in looooooooove with me!!!
*SNIFF*
Posted by: Unrequited Islam at August 23, 2010 03:05 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Deadly Doo Right at August 23, 2010 03:06 PM (E0cxX)
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 23, 2010 03:06 PM (QQ9sc)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 23, 2010 03:06 PM (PQY7w)
Good article in the wsj about how Harmon will revive Newsweek: use thicker paper for the cover to give the illusion of greater value.Posted by: cali grump at August 23, 2010 07:03 PM (1tJr/)
Harmon obviously understands the intelligence level of his readership.
Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2010 03:08 PM (QKKT0)
$16.95 for the Happy Family Platter? Are you fucking kidding me?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 23, 2010 03:08 PM (omVri)
I also found it interesting that 5x as many people think "very favorably" of Islam than of Christianity; with the margin of error that's about equal, but it looks pronounced on the chart.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (9PzaA)
Posted by: Joe Namath at August 23, 2010 07:01 PM (BP6Z1)
I wanaa kish you......
Posted by: Drunken Joe Willie at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 23, 2010 07:06 PM (PQY7w)
Which is really funny since they want the main leader of Buddhism's head on a platter.
Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (oVQFe)
31 I ask this in all seriousness. Hypothetically, how many Americans would have to be killed by overtly religiously zealous Islamist before we have a right to question the overall intentions of those who devoutly follow the faith? I'm not saying we'll ever see such an event(s), but in the interest of understanding, I'm just wanting a number for reference.
Any guesses?
Posted by: The Hammer
I'm afraid that number is rising daily. I used to think an entire city would have to be wiped out. Not sure about that anymore. Especially with Obama in charge. I think there'd be a lot of "Well look what we did to their country!" squealing from the left.
Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (Chg7a)
The pox on Islam.
Posted by: TehSchlip at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (xm1A1)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 23, 2010 03:09 PM (V/EYZ)
Posted by: UGAdawg at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (/VjHB)
Posted by: RecklessProcess at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (f7ylG)
Isn't Harman 92 years old? He better get started
Posted by: Drunken Joe Willie at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz
LOL - Thanks, I needed that.
Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (Chg7a)
Results for this Gallup Panel study are based on tachyonic antitelephone interviews with 1,002 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Oct.31-Nov.13, 2010. Gallup Panel members are recruited through random selection methods.
Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (/jbAw)
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative Heterosexual (2) at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (LEynS)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 23, 2010 03:11 PM (WZFkG)
That Buddhist thing is wierd. 35 percent have a negative view of it?
I need more info on how this poll was conducted before I believe it. Gallup doesn't have the greatest track record.
Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2010 03:13 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Guy who puts salt on garden slugs, at August 23, 2010 03:13 PM (QLmzi)
Posted by: Moe at August 23, 2010 03:13 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: eman at August 23, 2010 03:14 PM (Nw/hR)
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative Heterosexual (2) at August 23, 2010 03:14 PM (LEynS)
"phobic" means fear. I'm not afraid of Islam, I loathe it. I'm Islamoloathic.
Posted by: Drunken Joe Willie at August 23, 2010 03:14 PM (c1oyg)
Shits really about to hit the fan if they pull it off. Apparently, they are threatening suicide bombers over it.
But, what better way for the moslums to prove they're all about peace and tolerance than to support the 1st Amendment?
I agree with:
"Provocative? Yes.
Inflammatory? Absolutely.
Bridge-building? No
Act of good faith? UhÂ…no.
Necessary to put “Islamic tolerance” to the true test? Abso-freakin-lutely."
PS: "But, what if they did that to Bibles?" whines a leftie. Anyone remember how the Yugoslave dictator Nicolae Ceausescu recycled all those Bibles sent over by some religious group into toilet paper, such a poor recycling job that it was said you could still read some words? (Or I might me mixed up on some of the names and places, stories the same but, it was a long time ago.)
Posted by: jimmuy at August 23, 2010 03:15 PM (WFbbb)
That poll seems sort of untrustworthy. All earlier polls of the muslim world have seen Arafat, Bin Laden, and a whole panoply of muslim terrorists score approval ratings in the 60 and 70 percent range.
BTW, Maet, you have an extra "http://" on that link, along with quotes front and back, which are making it unworkable.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 23, 2010 03:15 PM (Qp4DT)
62 Buddhism? It doesn't help when an assclown like the Dalai Lama spends decades whining about freeing Tibet from communist China but still says communism is great. People relate buddhism to asia and asia has given us a lot of problems over the years. Posted by: ChicagoJedi
That's what I'm thinking. Who wants to listen to some dude in a dress whine about having his ass kicked for the last few decades. That shit gets old. Fast.
Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2010 03:15 PM (Chg7a)
Posted by: typical at August 23, 2010 03:16 PM (UdLYc)
And I suspect that the concern about Buddhism has more to do with the Hippies and Moonies and other Dawn of the Age of Aquarius cults that have littered the landscape since the 60's.
A phonia is an unreasoned fear of something. There is nothing unreasoned about most people's feelings about Islam and I doubt that fear figures largely either.
Posted by: rabidfox at August 23, 2010 03:16 PM (G6pxk)
I also found it interesting that 5x as many people think "very favorably" of Islam than of Christianity; with the margin of error that's about equal, but it looks pronounced on the chart.
--That was not "very favorable," but "no opinion/don't know"
Posted by: logprof at August 23, 2010 03:16 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 23, 2010 03:16 PM (bdqRm)
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative Heterosexual (2) at August 23, 2010 03:17 PM (LEynS)
That's why there is Muslim hate.
Posted by: Liberal responce if it hasn't been said yet. I just got here and didn't bother reading the comments at August 23, 2010 03:17 PM (W8f0O)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 23, 2010 03:17 PM (bdqRm)
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 03:18 PM (4nbyM)
Islam is not much different than my religion, with the exception of the cliterectomy's and stoning's, but everything else is kinda equal.
Oh yea, and the head chopping, hand severing, and my newest favorite, the spinal cord slicing that makes the offender a paraplegic for life. And let's not forget those quaint public floggings.
Just goes to show, all religions are the same.
Posted by: Fish at August 23, 2010 03:18 PM (v1gw3)
Christians worldwide would descend on the place with TATP IEDs strapped to their children and fling their progeny at the offending parties.
Or pray. One of the two.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 23, 2010 03:19 PM (Srxwp)
Moral relativism can excuse even the most heinous crimes.
Unless you're Bush, or course.
Posted by: wherestherum at August 23, 2010 03:19 PM (gofDd)
It's not so much a hatred of Buddhism, per se.
It's that Americans don't really see gerbil racing as a true sport...
like soccer.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2010 03:19 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 07:18 PM (4nbyM)
Beslan. Shudder. A domestic Beslan would make the average American want to dust off the nukes.
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:20 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: Abe Froman at August 23, 2010 03:20 PM (fkgyi)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 23, 2010 03:22 PM (AZGON)
My guess about the buddism hate is that those people were made to read Siddhartha in high school and never recovered. They would probably show equal disgust for hinduism. It was a horrible, scarring experience.
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2010 03:22 PM (dNM6/)
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2010 03:22 PM (a3Z62)
Shits really about to hit the fan if they pull it off. Apparently, they are threatening suicide bombers over it.
I offer one case of marshmallows to the state of Fla.
Posted by: Barbarian at August 23, 2010 03:22 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative Heterosexual (2) at August 23, 2010 03:22 PM (LEynS)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 23, 2010 03:23 PM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 23, 2010 03:23 PM (AZGON)
I have a very favorable view of Mormons myself but a Not favorable view of the religion.
Posted by: Rocks at August 23, 2010 03:24 PM (ivAmM)
We'd demand it. That would quite possibly be the end of Islam, at least publicly practiced.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 23, 2010 03:24 PM (Srxwp)
Any religion that stands between me and a nice big hunk of grilled cow has no chance. Nom nom nom...
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:25 PM (c1oyg)
My guess about the buddism hate is that those
people were made to read Siddhartha in high school and never recovered.
They would probably show equal disgust for hinduism.
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2010 07:22 PM (dNM6/)
Not if we were assigned the Kama Sutra.
Posted by: Horny High Schooler at August 23, 2010 03:26 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at August 23, 2010 03:26 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2010 03:26 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2010 03:26 PM (RrIFw)
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2010 07:22 PM (a3Z62)
HAHA! no shit.
Posted by: Timbo at August 23, 2010 03:27 PM (ph9vn)
A domestic Beslan would make the average American want to dust off the nukes.
After Columbine some leftards who erected memorial crosses for the victims included crosses for the killers. Never underestimate the moral obtuseness of the Left and its ability to rationalize any degree of evil.
Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2010 03:27 PM (QKKT0)
Sharia law alone is enough to identify Islam as more an ideology, and a totalitarian one (at least as practiced by Jihadis and Wahhabis) at that.
Feminist Leftards who think Islam is OK will need to tell us why its OK for women to be totally subjugated under Sharia law, and how such practices could ever be regarded as anything but totally antithetical to the same Constitution they turn to for their "equal rights" under the law.
Posted by: effinayright at August 23, 2010 03:27 PM (XixBE)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at August 23, 2010 03:27 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: Rocks at August 23, 2010 03:27 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 23, 2010 03:28 PM (eRjGt)
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2010 03:29 PM (rpnP8)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at August 23, 2010 03:29 PM (9cflz)
I, for one, will never embraze a porkless, liquorless religion.
And, I find it odd they want four wives. Who would do that to themselves???
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:29 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 07:20 PM (c1oyg)
I hope you're right. I fear it's only a matter of time before they try it here - they must know how much it would enrage us, and schools are not hard targets. Well, except the inner city ones where everybody is packing heat...
And while deploying nukes is a great thing that I would love to see, what is more crucial is to round up the ones here and do away with them. Every. Last. One.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 03:29 PM (4nbyM)
And on the Buddahist hate they only polled the women who slept with Tiger Woods.
Our President became the world's most famous married golfer today.
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:30 PM (aOKEC)
The gangbangers wouldn't allow the terrorists to get that far. (I hope.) Notice there are never mass school shootings like Columbine at inner city high schools.
We're fighting an enemy who's terrified of pigs and pork products. Let's not make this any harder than it has to be.
If we were serious, we'd be telling them all our bullets have been dipped in bacon grease.
Posted by: wherestherum at August 23, 2010 03:30 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 23, 2010 07:28 PM (eRjGt)
Nah, you're a woman. they don't want to cut your head off. think LOWER
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:30 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at August 23, 2010 03:30 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: denny crane at August 23, 2010 03:30 PM (I+7Zv)
The more we get to know islam, the more we don't like it. It's a cult of violence. Women are less than human. Baby girls are considered suitable wives. Daughters can be sold as brides by their male relatives, and if the daughter refuses, she can be killed. Muslim girls & women right here in the USA have been murdered by their male relatives for bringing "shame" on their family.
The stone age behavior of muslim men is not new, but Americans started paying attention after Sept 11. The beheadings, and stonings, and just out and out hatred coming from islam's official spokesmen (what other religion has religious leaders issuing death sentences on people with whom they disagree? 
has not gone unnoticed.
Posted by: Boots at August 23, 2010 03:31 PM (06JTY)
That too.
Posted by: wherestherum at August 23, 2010 03:31 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: kathysaysso at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (ZtwUX)
The more we learn, the less we like.
Posted by: ray at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (ykKLX)
Posted by: Tom Hanks at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (AZGON)
Oh, and yeah,
Buddhist? That's like hating big-eyed puppy paintings.
Posted by: EZBurns at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:32 PM (9PzaA)
Posted by: jimmuy at August 23, 2010 03:33 PM (WFbbb)
Let me save you some time. It will be something that pokes at Palin.
Posted by: ray at August 23, 2010 03:34 PM (ykKLX)
Posted by: Pelayo at August 23, 2010 03:34 PM (QLmzi)
We received teletype messages from everyone from the FBI to our police commissioner to be wary of violence against Muslims after 9-11. You know how many incidents my division in Philly had in that calendar year? None.
And I worked in a very populous area that contained two Mosques.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:35 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Idiot Liberal at August 23, 2010 03:36 PM (kcqZS)
It's been said quite a few times on this blog but it needs to be repeated again and again and again until it sinks in:
Islam is not a religion, it is a political movement and Sharia is their Constitution...would you let a foreign country set up shop in your territory, stomp on your sovereignty and override your Constitution?...um, no.
Posted by: CanaDave at August 23, 2010 03:36 PM (A8VBw)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:37 PM (9PzaA)
would you let a foreign country set up shop in your territory, stomp on your sovereignty and override your Constitution?...um, no.
Tell us about it.
Posted by: Arizona at August 23, 2010 03:37 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Ed Morrissey at August 23, 2010 03:38 PM (AZGON)
And I worked in a very populous area that contained two Mosques.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 07:35 PM (zgZzy)
North or West Philly?
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:38 PM (c1oyg)
137 Wyatt Earp--how many anti-Jewish incidents that year?
A few. Mostly grafiti on Synagogues. Happens a lot.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:38 PM (zgZzy)
Hate speech!
Posted by: Native American Studies major from earlier thread at August 23, 2010 03:39 PM (9PzaA)
And while deploying nukes is a great thing that I would love to see, what is more crucial is to round up the ones here and do away with them. Every. Last. One.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 07:29 PM (4nbyM)
Preach on it. Frank Gaffney was on with Beck this afternoon and described Sharia as a political ideology, not a religious one. Frank's supposed to be all over media this week with his latest investigation of US mosques. A whole 20% are considered peaceful.
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2010 03:39 PM (a3Z62)
Posted by: wherestherum at August 23, 2010 07:30 PM (gofDd)
This. Sounds like Rum has studied old Black Jack...
They're a bunch of irrational animals. The vast extent of their absurd superstitions can be used against them. We need to make it our practice to kill them in a way that ensures that they can't enter muslim heaven. There are various ways to do this. The rest will take heed, and it will break them.
In a sense we'll be doing them a favor - they'll need not be quite so shocked when they arrive in the eternal fires.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 03:41 PM (4nbyM)
North.
Boy, you work the badlands, don't you? Some areas of North Philly look like Dresden after the war
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:42 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 03:42 PM (EA+Co)
Who gives a shit if Americans have a positive, negative, neutral view of Islam? The average American isn't going to fly a plane into a building in Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 23, 2010 03:42 PM (eRjGt)
Boy, you work the badlands, don't you? Some areas of North Philly look like Dresden after the war
Spent 6 years in Kensington, a few in the Northeast, then here. It's fun hearing the sounds of gunfire out the division's windows.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:43 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2010 03:43 PM (Q0h20)
1. Buddhists are seen as idol-worshipers. The biblical view of idolatry is extremely negative. Most don't read the Bible much any more but its influence is still pervasive.
2. Buddhism is quite foreign, unlike Judaism and Islam which are at least Abrahamic and monotheistic.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at August 23, 2010 03:43 PM (cxGtL)
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (lfUv8)
Another non-reassuring number is that 40% of British Muslims, about 1 million or so, many of them British-born converts, favor sharia-law implementation in Britain (from a 2008 poll).
Don't know the numbers favoring sharia-law implementation in America for American-born Muslims off-hand, but I figure they would be similar to the British poll number.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (EA+Co)
Posted by: Faye Kinnit at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (l1oyw)
... over a million American soldiers and civilians have had first hand experience with sharia and Islam as itÂ’s actually practiced in the middle east.
One of my brothers-in-law has been repeatedly sent to Iraq, Afghanistan and "I can't tell you where I've been" since 9/11. He doesn't have a very high opinion of the muzzies and he is one squared-away dude.
He works out of our local Air Force base. Mrs. Cop deludes herself into thinking that her brother is an accountant. I think he is in military intelligence: accountants don't go to forward combat bases.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (bCQG3)
Posted by: CanaDave at August 23, 2010 03:44 PM (A8VBw)
The 39% Anti vs 20% favorable is pretty close to conservatives vs liberals in America...
Now, can someone explain to me why Judaism has 4 times as many strong detractors as Christianity? Hmm...who do we know, who make up about 20% of the population who hate JOOOs, uh, Israelis...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2010 03:45 PM (bgcml)
151 They've been marrying their cousins forever. Imagine what that does to your sanity?
Hey, hey, hey, wr're right here!
Posted by: Kentucky at August 23, 2010 03:45 PM (zgZzy)
She also met with the Taliban. I recall being disappointed they didn't have her lashed for walking around uncovered.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:46 PM (9PzaA)
The stint in the Northeast must have felt like a vacation
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:47 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: The Time Magazine Cover You Will Never See at August 23, 2010 03:47 PM (xIqdI)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 03:47 PM (73jUp)
Words kill hurt too, alex.
Posted by: frank rich's dick, typing one key at a time at August 23, 2010 03:47 PM (xmEXV)
Islam, as practiced in the Islamic world, is not a very attractive religion.
Of course the thing that always amuses me is that liberals rail against theocracy on the right, but seem pretty ok with the theocratic bent of Islam. Could you imagine if a Christian had murdered Theo van Gogh for a documentary that was negative about Christianity?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2010 03:48 PM (bgcml)
161 Hmmmm, Baidoa or North Philly, tough call.
It;s better when you're armed. Although the department doesn't give us M-14's or AK's yet, so . . .
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:48 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:49 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Jean at August 23, 2010 03:50 PM (+GUgv)
Of course the thing that always amuses me is that liberals rail against theocracy on the right, but seem pretty ok with the theocratic bent of Islam. Could you imagine if a Christian had murdered Theo van Gogh for a documentary that was negative about Christianity?
They just root for whatever bothers a smart conservative. It could be anything....a 12 story cock, or a vagina fountain, or a Satan monument. If it bugs most of us here, it will be adored by the other side.
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:51 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: ANother TIME cover we won't see at August 23, 2010 03:52 PM (zgZzy)
Unless someone's embezzled an MRE. Then we're there protecting taxpayers' dollars. [Watch for our new series on NBC.]
Posted by: army accountants corps at August 23, 2010 03:52 PM (xmEXV)
@168
Frank Gaffney makes the point that the leftists and the Islamofascists are currently allies because one thing stands in the way of their trans-national goals: the United States. Both groups are working to destroy the U.S.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at August 23, 2010 03:53 PM (bCQG3)
Posted by: Jean at August 23, 2010 03:53 PM (+GUgv)
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They hate Christianity so much that they embrace Islam with same attitude of...
Remember "Mars Attacks" and the first meeting with the Martians? Those are the Liberals and the Muslims are the giggling contemplating burning them to a crisp first.
Posted by: EZB at August 23, 2010 03:54 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 03:54 PM (73jUp)
Posted by: another TIME cover never to be seen at August 23, 2010 03:54 PM (xmEXV)
Plus since 9/11 Americans have become much more knowledgeable about Islam in general.
This, right here. Before 9/11 I don't think I could've told you one single fact about Islam. Now, I know a whole lot more about it and there's not much to like.
I still can't get over whatever cognitive dissonance allows leftard women to preach love joy and happiness about Islam, which is just horrible in its treatment of women. Is there a pill that makes bullshit easier to swallow?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 23, 2010 03:55 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Buck O'Fama at August 23, 2010 03:55 PM (0hVRU)
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:56 PM (aOKEC)
But, but, but...remember Jesus Camp?! That's just as bad! /Moonbat off.
The hard left has made marriages of convenience with Islamic revolutionaries before. Iranian Communists backed Khomeini against the Shah, Nasserite commie-lites banded together with the Muslim Brotherhood against the Egyptian monarchy, and even the Bolsheviks tolerated some Islamists before the Stalinist purges.
There's nothing novel about commie-libs joining with religious extremists in order to overthrow a commonly-hated system.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2010 03:56 PM (c0A3e)
Buddhism....hmm. There is one thing I can say I have a favorable opinion on. It's the religious preference of Bobby Ewing, aka Patrick Duffy. Bunk!
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2010 03:56 PM (M6enm)
We would, but we're too busy doing a photo essay on the death of Newsweek.
Posted by: LIFE magazine at August 23, 2010 03:57 PM (xmEXV)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 03:57 PM (EA+Co)
I still can't get over whatever cognitive dissonance allows leftard women to preach love joy and happiness about Islam, which is just horrible in its treatment of women.
I'm still wondering how they could support Slick Willie.
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 03:57 PM (aOKEC)
Won't be anything unusual about the pinkos getting jailed or executed by their "allies" after they've outlived their usefulness, either. So we have that to look forward to.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:58 PM (9PzaA)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 23, 2010 03:58 PM (9PzaA)
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2010 07:26 PM (RrIFw)
I believe it was $10 million, from some Saudi prince; along with complimentary words of advice from the prince about how we should re-examine American policy since that was the root cause of 9/11, which caused the instant spurning of the check.
Cynthia McKinney then asked if she could have it for her district.
I'm not making that last part up. That's what she did.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 23, 2010 03:59 PM (w41GQ)
177 Wyatt Earp - AC130 on station fire support can help you sleep at night Very reassuring.
Thank God for the military!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 03:59 PM (zgZzy)
What first made me hinky about Islam was during the first Gulf War, the Saudis demanded that Army chaplains remove the crosses from their uniforms. And we capitulated, even though we were saving their sorry, whoring asses.
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 03:59 PM (c1oyg)
Cynthia McKinney then asked if she could have it for her district.
It's mine! Free stuff, motherf**kers!
Posted by: Cynthia McKinney at August 23, 2010 04:00 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Michael Scott at August 23, 2010 04:00 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Somali Islamist at August 23, 2010 04:01 PM (KI/Ch)
Right. In their eyes, they're siding with the evil they think they know and can control. But since they lack historical knowledge and perspective, they don't know what this alliance will cost them in the end.
How do you say "useful idiots" in Arabic or Farsi?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2010 04:01 PM (c0A3e)
It's all about abortion. He's a fan.
Damn right he was....he needed a lot of them I bet. But to sell your soul for settled law seems so silly. We've had plenty of Republican Presidents that didn't take away their precious abortion.
These people don't think rationally, so I need to stop expecting them to....
Posted by: gator at August 23, 2010 04:01 PM (aOKEC)
Thank God for the military!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2010 07:59 PM (zgZzy)
My biggest regret is that I never served. I came of age in the Carter years, when he was cutting the military, and they pitched service as just another job.
Posted by: Ombudsman at August 23, 2010 04:02 PM (c1oyg)
If Islamophobia is the IRRATIONAL Fear of Islam...
What do you call it when its a RATIONAL Fear and disgust of that religion.
There is nothing irrational about hating how they treat women, and gays, and the stoning laws, and the idea of no Freedom of Religion or conscience.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 23, 2010 04:02 PM (H+oXM)
Posted by: Jean at August 23, 2010 04:03 PM (+GUgv)
Posted by: Ken Royall at August 23, 2010 04:08 PM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Jean at August 23, 2010 04:11 PM (+GUgv)
I can imagine that inevitably, after a Western city dies, from a Muslim nuke (Iran's, or Pakistan's or hell, even Sudan's now that Iran is spreading Nuke knowledge and resources around), over a cartoon or a synagogue, or what have you, the numbers and the inevitable action behind them, will be far greater.
And no one will worry about being called "Islamaphobic."
Posted by: whiskey at August 23, 2010 04:13 PM (t3UKO)
We by and large gave Islam the benefit of the doubt after 9/11. But the more we see of it, the less inclined we are to continue to do so.
Posted by: Andy at August 23, 2010 04:14 PM (pRbtk)
If it wears a burqa, I assume it's a jihadi. If it carries a sign that reads "Death To All Juice," I assume it's a jihadi. If it bitches about not being allowed to run amok on an airplane, yell loudly, and act suspiciously while the seatbelt light is on, I assume it's a jihadi. If it sues Disneyland for not being allowed to wear a head covering that doesn't include mouse-ears, it's a jihadi and a gorram communist. If it demands the installation of footbaths in public buildings, even though public buildings in the Arab world don't have 'em either, it's a jihadi. If it demands the right to build a Victory Mosque as an in-your-face endzone dance, it's a jihadi. If it won't let me ride in its cab because I'm carrying a bottle of Val-U-Rite, if it reacts to my pulled pork sandwich like a slug does to salt, or if it even thinks that Pamela Geller ought to cover her exposed ankles - well, you follow my reasoning.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 23, 2010 04:14 PM (jhHL/)
57 I use the Qur'an to line our kitteh's box.
You truly are a barbarian. If you had any sort of education and culture, you'd use the pages to pick up dog turds.
Posted by: s'moron at August 23, 2010 04:15 PM (UaxA0)
Now watch me kick this guy's ass.
Posted by: Shaolin Monk at August 23, 2010 04:19 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: Ugrev at August 23, 2010 04:19 PM (862vz)
Anyone else feel like they're in Firefly?
Posted by: wherestherum at August 23, 2010 04:19 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 23, 2010 04:23 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: gomm at August 23, 2010 04:23 PM (73jUp)
Brown coats are going to be the fashion accessory this November. Buy yours now before demand drives up the gorram price.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 23, 2010 04:23 PM (jhHL/)
Posted by: nickless at August 23, 2010 04:23 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 23, 2010 04:25 PM (RgyHa)
Fucking hippies.
Posted by: Shaolin Monk at August 23, 2010 04:25 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: t-bird at August 23, 2010 04:28 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 23, 2010 04:29 PM (8nf3A)
If you want to find anti-Semitism, don't look to American Christians, you won't find it.
I view the Buddhism numbers as basically the numbers you'd get if you insert a generic little-known religion. Americans are fairly well-aware of Islam and Judaism, at least the basics. Judaism they like, Islam not so much.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 23, 2010 04:32 PM (RgyHa)
Many questions. It was my pleasure to register my displeasure with the administration of "We The People" by the current crop of Aristocrats.
The question about being a member of the Tea Party still trips me up. I have a sincere fondness for tri corner hatted don't tread on me-ism ...but is there really a "party" ?
Posted by: Hiltop at August 23, 2010 04:39 PM (Pyl6E)
Is that fucking Time Cover real? It says to me that Islam is the religion of the US.
Assholes.
Posted by: robtr at August 23, 2010 08:51 PM (fwSHf)
Yup it's real and no, Islam isn't the religion of the U.S.
Time punked you and me.
Posted by: ErikW at August 23, 2010 04:56 PM (AGJAR)
Posted by: bigred at August 23, 2010 05:02 PM (cX9pO)
And BTW, who fucking cares? Those lib rags are read by libs and irritated people in a dentist's wating room 8 months ago.
While they're so holier-than-thou when it comes to recycled products, ask them why the paper they use is so damned heavy.
Posted by: ErikW at August 23, 2010 05:03 PM (AGJAR)
Yup it's real and no, Islam isn't the religion of the U.S.
Time punked you and me.
Posted by: ErikW at August 23, 2010 08:56 PM (AGJAR)
Fuck you. America is an Islamic country!
Posted by: King Barry al-Farouk at August 23, 2010 05:04 PM (BP6Z1)
The rumors flew fast and furious: the Hindus also heard they were coated with beef fat. After the Great Mutiny of 1857, the British always trusted their Sikh and Gurkha regiments in the Indian Army most, as they all remained loyal.
Posted by: Dave J. at August 23, 2010 05:10 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: NotAMolly at August 23, 2010 05:21 PM (ADJFU)
Posted by: Pelayo at August 23, 2010 05:21 PM (QLmzi)
Posted by: NotAMolly at August 23, 2010 05:26 PM (ADJFU)
Posted by: bigred at August 23, 2010 05:27 PM (cX9pO)
Posted by: Pelayo at August 23, 2010 05:59 PM (QLmzi)
Posted by: NotAMolly at August 23, 2010 06:09 PM (ADJFU)
Posted by: Pelayo at August 23, 2010 06:46 PM (QLmzi)
M13 and 18th Street have taken a lot jobs away from the Crips and Bloods.
Posted by: ray at August 23, 2010 06:57 PM (ykKLX)
We'd demand it. That would quite possibly be the end of Islam, at least publicly practiced.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 23, 2010 07:24 PM (Srxwp)
There's a reason that a Mumbai-type attack hasn't happened in, say, Oklahoma City--or even New York City. (The Mumbai siege lasted three day.)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 23, 2010 07:26 PM (vBppj)
81 Wait until there are enough of them to do here what they do in Europe. Wait until there is a Beslan here in the US. I can only hope that the old strength, the old hardness, of Americans will shine through and the problem will finally be taken in hand.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 23, 2010 07:18 PM
It is down the religion of peace memory hole, but they did try, or, put out feelers for this in early 2002.
On the iccsafe.org BBS one individual from the .SA domain requested a ppt presentation on American school security systems. Given the timeframe, literally asking for the ppt to be in terms a virtual goat fucking inbred could understand, the requestor's terminology was off enough then to paint it with a big red flag. ICC captured it before I could send it to an SOF Op I knew....
Guess ICC got it good enough... to date...
Personally I would have given it to the pipe-hitters.
Posted by: Druid at August 23, 2010 07:45 PM (1CG5j)
Grow up.
You dip yours into their soldiers...
... if they are in the way of you dipping it into their kings, queens, muftis, women, and children.
Along this way they may decide that they may want to change their outlook on life - and maybe even submit to a change in their religion... they have been crying out such for a thousand years.
Dig it. Liberal arts. There is a hidden gem in there after all.
Posted by: Druid at August 23, 2010 08:07 PM (1CG5j)
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