1 Didn't the Pakistani ISI set them up in the 'Stan to begin with?

2 Gee, shocka. 

3  1  Yes.

4 This is not a good time to be a spook in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

5 Duh.

6 The tollyban are a wholly owned subsidiary of the ISI. Vic is right; ISI was behind the tallyban takeover of Afghanistan. They are the ones who supposedly captured mullah omar.

7 I guess when you say "captured Mullah Omar," you mean "gave him a corner office and all the goats he can screw."

8 I thought Barky told us if crowned elected, he'd go into Pokeeston if necessary?

The fact that there's a trillion dollars worth of minerals just waiting to be mined in 'stan makes things "interesting", and not in a good way.

9 these dots are not that difficult to connect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

How about some further investigation into what Obama was actually doing during his 'visit' to Pock-eee-Stahn  ??

10 Didn't the Pakistani ISI set them up in the 'Stan to begin with?

Posted by: Vic at June 14, 2010 02:35 PM (6taRI)

Yup.  And they'll continue to use them to influence both Afghan and Pakistani politics and policy as long as they can.  This is why the "great news" about the recent arrests of Taliban leaders by Pakistan was always just for show to placate America and never indicated any actual shift in Pakistani policy against the Taliban.  The ISI also runs terrorist organizations that attack India and supports those that attack in places like Times Square and the London Underground.

11


Just as only Nixon could go to China, only BO can invade POkeeestawn.

12 Itz spelled Pawkeestawn.

13 As I've said before, we need to engage with Pock-E-Stawn so that they convince the Tolly-Bahn to quickly establish a responsible environmental policy in those areas of Af-Gawn-E-Stawn they control.  Green jobs is the only solution that will bring us a lasting peace.

14 I'm just crushed to learn that our fine, upstanding Paki allies might have been, at one time or another, somewhat less than fully forthcoming as to their true allegiances. And also that, for the most part, they're filthy, lying, misogynistic, Muslim goatfuckers.

15
So, the unclenched fist isn't working with Pakistan?

16

Any why isn't this being made common knowledge among the American people and all the networks howling about it?

I'm not saying that it's not true, I believe that it is, but why isn't the MFM talking about this 24/7?

Theories?

17 This was already often speculated.

Known, you mean. I've never heard otherwise.

The speculation I'm waiting for a "study" to confirm is that ISI is a subsidiary of State.

18

IIRC, Pakistan was the only country to recognize Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. 

I thought it was odd to seek Pakistan's help in ousting the Taliban, but I figured somebody in Washington knew more than I did.  Some special mojo that would shore up the good guys in Pakistan while rooting out the bad guys.

(shrugs)

OT but Atlas sez that BO confessed to being a follower of the Prophet to Egypt's foreign minister. 

19 So basically Pakistan is pretending to have a civil war, but mainly fighting it with Afghan and US proxies.

Well at least we have a President with a spine of steel who is absolutely dedicated to looking out for our interests.

20 An interesting side note to Telegraph's web page: under the "World News" tab, everything is broken down by region (USA, Europe, Asia, etc.).  Barack Obama gets his own tab that is separate from the "USA" tab.
Even the Brits know the difference.

21 You know who this benefits?

Democrat candidates in 2010 congressional elections, that's who.

22
Pakistan's Jihadist ISI Controls TalibanDuurrrrrrrrrrrrr.  Finally you guys are catching on.

23 but why isn't the MFM talking about this 24/7?

Rhetorical, right?

(I wonder how many of the talking TV heads could find Pock-E-Stawn on an unlabeled map.)

24 Pock-EE-Staan must find another group of barbarian slugs stuck in the 6th century so they can blow up some more 1000 year old art. 

25

The ISI is rogue. It wouldn't be fair or accurate to claim the Pakistani government is mounting a proxy war against the U.S.. And Pak leadership will swing if radical Islamists should take over in Pakistan. To some degree you could say they are trying to ride the tiger, but their options are limited as long as ISI controls this much power.

I'd love to think the ISI was only trying to help us repatriate the less radical Talis by taking a soft approach with some of them, and there's a gliimer of hope there. But the Telegraph piece is brutally candid about Pak ISI and Tali links.

26 Pakistan is an anti-American muslim country with nuclear weapons. What could possibly go wrong?

27
the less radical Talis

Why does this myth perpetuate?  Stop believing in the Tooth Fairy and 'moderate' islamofascists.

28 Read The Bear Trap if you want the lowdown on ISI.

29 If we ever figure out a way to defeat or neutralize Iran, the next target should be the filthy goatfuck Pakis.

30 In other Religion of Peace (TM) news, Ahmadinejad's favorite Ayatollah, Yazdi, just issued a fatwa which says Iran should seek 'special weapons.'  That's code for nukes.  

31 Moderates.

32 Not news, but it's good to reinforce the point. Pakistan isn't really a country in the sense that, say, France or Italy is a country. It's a loose patchwork of arbitrarily-drawn boundaries whose only reason for existing is the supposed "Islamic identity" that led to the split from India in 1948. Yet it has become clear that Pakistan has no existential imperative -- it serves no purpose as a nation of the earth, really. (Neither does Bangladesh, as far as that goes.) To the extent that they have an identity at all, it's the "not-India" identity rather than an explicitly Muslim one. This region of the world has been a lawless, violent, tribal shit-hole since the time of Alexander the Great. There is every indication that it will continue to be so. Except now these barbarians have nuclear weapons.

33 33 AND they couldn't even get along with Bangledesh, i.e. east Pokistan and had to split with them.

34

This region of the world has been a lawless, violent, tribal shit-hole since the time of Alexander the Great Sumeria.

ftfy

35

Uh-oh, Drew is starting a twitter war with douchebag Howie Kurtz.

36 Indie should have lit them up two years ago.

37 So, how long do you all think it would have taken our Founding fathers or any administration before 1960 to declare war against a country whose government was proved to sponser acts of war against us?  Do you suppose Andrew Jackson would have sent the offending foreign power a sternly worded objection coupled with an invitation to dialog?

38 "37 Indie should have lit them up two years ago." Absolutely. And they should have had our full cooperation.

39 Nobody would f--- with an Andy Jackson armed with nuclear weapons.

40

Let me go talk to them..."would you like some squishee, squishees?"  Bwah, haw.  We'll just buy 'em off with donuts! 

41 Didn't Andy use a 'gator when the barrel of the cannon melted down in The Battle of New Orleans? I think they made a song about it.

42

We can just send in our newest, most powerful weapon..

...big, bad Bob Etheridge

Who aire ewe, you freakin' towelhead?

43 O/T
Monty,

Have you set up an email address for Economy/Finance story tips?

This WSJ municipal bond article is worthy of some notice, me thinks.

44 Time to crank up my Bose w/Pink Floyd, Hannity just came on the radio.

45 we should just start bombing ISI installations.  Cut off all of their money, back India and lets India invade Pakistan.

46

I'd still rather buy a Paki bond than a Greek bond. 

Didn't Andrew Jackson have a bit of an issue with the Indians? 

47 27 Pakistan is an anti-American muslim country with nuclear weapons. What could possibly go wrong?

The only thing worse than a Pakistan with nuclear weapons is a Pakistan willing to share their nuke tech.

The original Khaaannnn!

Oh dear.

48 Of course the ISI controls the Taliban. I recommend reading Bernard Henri-Levy's book, Who Killed Daniel Pearl. He makes a very strong case for this assertion. Levy even noted that, "...Pakistan is the rogue of all rogue nations." This book came out like ten years ago!

49

I'm not saying that it's not true, I believe that it is, but why isn't the MFM talking about this 24/7?

Theories?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 14, 2010 02:47 PM (oIp16)

Let's look at the basic facts.

1) After 9/11, George Bush said, "You're either with us or with the terrorists."  The policy toward Pakistan that followed was based on the notion that Pakistan was nominally with us, not the terrorists.

2) Part of that policy involved large payments of aid from the US to Pakistan to "keep them on our side" and induce them to help fight terrorism.

3) Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

So --

A) Barack Obama and the MFM both despise the idea that they would have to admit that Bush was right, that Pakistan has to decide once and for all whether it is with us or with the terrorists.

B) If the American people learn that the Pakistani ISI is actively aiding and abetting the same Taliban that is killing American soldiers and that enabled the 9/11 plotters, there will be a hue and cry to demand that Congress cut off all aid to Pakistan instantly.

C) If the US and Pakistan end up irrevocably declaring that they are on opposite sides of the fight, the options for the US in taking Pakistan out of the fight are not good.  Their WMD capability is not hypothetical or theoretical or shrouded in do-they-or-don't-they mystery: they have nukes, period.

Now, one might think that the policy of MFM news outlets is to report known facts and let the chips fall where they may.  However, we well know that the MFM will not report any story if they can foresee that doing so will force Obama to make difficult or uncomfortable choices.  I think at this point that is less out of a desire to protect Obama than out of a desire to protect the US from the consequences of Obama's weak and ineffectual leadership.

50

Yet it has become clear that Pakistan has no existential imperative -- it serves no purpose as a nation of the earth, really. (Neither does Bangladesh, as far as that goes.)

Bangladesh is at least ethnically Bengali. Pakistan, besides religion, has no unifying ethnicity or language (other than the Queen's English) to speak of.

51 Didn't Andy use a 'gator when the barrel of the cannon melted down in The Battle of New Orleans? I think they made a song about it.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 14, 2010 03:06 PM (sHHsP)

Filled him full of cannonballs and powdered his behind,
And when he set the powder off, the gator lost his mind!

52

Ace -

It's Pronounced 'Pok-EE-Stahn'.

53 52,

GMTA.

54

Now, one might think that the policy of MFM news outlets is to report known facts and let the chips fall where they may.  However, we well know that the MFM will not report any story if they can foresee that doing so will force Obama to make difficult or uncomfortable choices.  I think at this point that is less out of a desire to protect Obama than out of a desire to protect the US from the consequences of Obama's weak and ineffectual leadership.

Posted by: stuiec at June 14, 2010 03:09 PM (W+GYq)

I can see them doing that for Obama, but never for Bush, and this story is one that I have heard floating around since 2001. They had seven years to embarrass Bush over this, why the pass then?

55 (Have you set up an email address for Economy/Finance story tips?) You can send tips to bad.king.john at gmail dot com. Put "AoS Financial Briefing Tip" or something in the header so I don't junk it. Fair warning, though -- I've already got about a million emails a day coming in, so I might not get to it right away. (I'm already on the Muni-bond story. I'll be in tomorrow's briefing.)

56 Really!?
The Taliban has ties to terrorism!?
The deuce you say!!

57

There is supposed to be a program on TV about what to do in order to survive a nuke attack.  The hypothetical attack takes place in D.C. 

I'm wondering about the timeliness of the program.

58 Pakistan, besides religion, has no unifying ethnicity or language (other than the Queen's English) to speak of. It depends on the region. The southeastern part is almost exclusively Punjabi, while the FATA is almost totally Pashtun. Big cities like Peshawar and Islamabad are more diverse in a coarse-grained way, but the neighborhoods are very ethnically homogenous.

59 and this surprises anyone how exactly...??

60 We can just send in our newest, most powerful weapon.. ...big, bad Bob Etheridge Who aire ewe, you freakin' towelhead? hahahahaha

61 ⁵⁰

^{C) If the US and Pakistan end up irrevocably declaring that they are on opposite sides of the fight, the options for the US in taking Pakistan out of the fight are not good.  Their WMD capability is not hypothetical or theoretical or shrouded in do-they-or-don't-they mystery: they have nukes, period.}

^{Now, one might think that the policy of MFM news outlets is to report known facts and let the chips fall where they may.  However, we well know that the MFM will not report any story if they can foresee that doing so will force Obama to make difficult or uncomfortable choices.  I think at this point that is less out of a desire to protect Obama than out of a desire to protect the US from the consequences of Obama's weak and ineffectual leadership.}

^{Posted by: stuiec}

IIRC, the ISI and the Pockestani military (who actually controls the nukes) are not very "friendly" with each other.

62 That's why the palis invade the mountains every 2 or 3 months so they can resupply the taliban.

63 So, you want to think about something sick?

The President of Pakistan is Asif Ali Zardari.  His wife was Benazir Bhutto.

Zardari was exiled from Pakistan because he was notoriously corrupt -- his nickname is "Mr. Ten Percent."  However, because his wife was very popular and was the leading candidate for President, he was allowed to return to Pakistan.

His wife was murdered at a campaign stop.  Her security detail mysteriously sped off from her campaign car, allowing her assassin to get close enough to kill her.  Her assassin was linked to the Pakistani Taliban.

The grief and sympathy for Ms. Bhutto induced the Pakistanis to vote Zardari into the Presidency.

Zardari is now allowing the ISI to continue backing the Taliban.  Moreover, he reportedly visited Taliban prisoners in a Pakistani prison to assure them that their detention was just for show to appease the Americans.

Do you suppose that Zardari was somehow involved in the plot to assassinate his wife?

64 Pretty hard to access Afghanistan without Pakistan.

65 Another military coup would be a huge improvement in Goatfuckland.

66
That's why the palis invade the mountains every 2 or 3 months so they can resupply the taliban.

THIS! 

67 Yeah.  It's been a really great week or so for me already so this just adds a cherry to the top.

68 I'ts time to make that whole region a glass parking lot!

69

ACE -

Perhaps a little discussion on why teh Wun's Foreign Policy is the 'Mostest Historical' evah is in order?

70 69,

Aaaaand put a Mickey D's in the middle!

71

I can see them doing that for Obama, but never for Bush, and this story is one that I have heard floating around since 2001. They had seven years to embarrass Bush over this, why the pass then?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 14, 2010 03:14 PM (oIp16)

Simple answer: they didn't.  They spent the period of 2001-2008 demanding that Gen. Musharraf relinquish the Pakistani presidency, smearing Bush for associating with a military dictator.  Musharraf had the strength and the wiliness to keep the ISI on a much shorter leash.  Zardari, his successor, has no standing with either the ISI or the military (or with a large slice of the electorate, since he's known as "Mr. Ten Percent" for his astounding corruption).

72 There is supposed to be a program on TV about what to do in order to survive a nuke attack.  The hypothetical attack takes place in D.C.

I'm going to go with "Don't live in DC."

73

Sorry but I am just not seeing why we are still in Astan. I don't see us ever providing security for the entire country and I don't see the country ever coelessing around the leader they have.

Anyone here enlighten me on the end game to this war I would appreciate it. What is our goal here now?

74 GrandLeaderPuppehtOFF!

75 I dunno, we better be careful messin' with them Pakis. They might be a little crazy or something.

76 Do you suppose that Zardari was somehow involved in the plot to assassinate his wife?

Posted by: stuiec at June 14, 2010 03:20 PM (W+GYq)

Yes, I have believed that since she was killed. I was surprised that it took the Taliban as long as it did to kill her. I think that was their third attempt to kill her.

77 74,

Going for the goooooooooooold!

78

#71What and let them all eat trans fats and succumb to heart disease.Wouldn't want that to happen.

79

_{What is our goal here now?}

Lss Fundamentalist Goat Fuckers.

More Moderate Goat Fuckers.

80 "Anyone here enlighten me on the end game to this war I would appreciate it. What is our goal here now? Posted by: robtr at June 14, 2010 03:27 PM (fwSHf)" I'm all ears, too.

81

36

Uh-oh, Drew is starting a twitter war with douchebag Howie Kurtz

I have never used Twitter..but I just set up an account..how the hell does this thing work?..can I follow the war?

..oh..and get the hell offf my lawn!!

82

Perhaps a little discussion on why teh Wun's Foreign Policy is the 'Mostest Historical' evah is in order?

Posted by: BarackHussein Obama - the 'Hussein' is Silent, Shhhh! at June 14, 2010 03:25 PM (8r4kc)

If you want to puke, read this apologia from the WSJ opinion page by a former Clinton foreign policy official.  He really does say that Obama's foreign policy is a raging success, and he also blames Israel for everything wrong in the US-Israeli relationship (if not for everything wrong in the entire Middle East and South Asia).

83 So, how did we lose Pah-ka-stan, again?

84

A bit OT, but something that needs to go viral at least as much as Bob "slugger" Ethridge. Homeland Security is preparing to deport Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a top Hamas leader who worked with Israeli Intelligence to thwart numerous terrorist attacks, and later wrote a book about it, Son of Hamas.

Protein Wisdom has the story.

85 These gits in DC have no idea how to administer a war, look what they did to us in 'Nam, bunch of cockholsters and sissies.

86 Yeah.  It's been a really great week or so for me already so this just adds a cherry to the top.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 14, 2010 03:22 PM (8WZWv)

May I add this from the ONT early this morning:
This was linked in the QoTD thread over at Hotair.  The long and short of it is, even now, what is being directly admitted in public is lowballing the degree of the disaster in the gulf.  This fellow reasons out convincingly, to me, anyway, that BPs behavior in dealing with the leak suggests that the leak is not only at the point we see on the webcam, but below that point, below the seabed.

Having finished the article, the acceleration is worse than I was thinking.  It seems likely that the leak below the seafloor is eroding the sand around the pipe, which is the only support the blowout preventer (450 tons according to the article, which seems like a lot to me, but then I don't know much about drilling) has against ocean currents.  Eventually it's going to collapse, it's just a question of whether the relief wells are operational and diverting some oil from the destroyed well, but given the movement already visible from the BoP, he thinks the collapse will come before they are ready.  At which point nothing can prevent the contents of the reserve from being released in their entirety into the gulf.

If the BP data correctly or honestly identified four separate reservoirs then a bleed-out might gush less than 2 to 2.5 billion barrels unless the walls -- as it were -- fracture or partially collapse. I am hearing the same dark rumors which suggest fracturing and a complete bleed-out are already underway. Rumors also suggest a massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making.

87
...how the hell does this thing work?

It's nothing but an individual RSS feed, no mystery.

88

OT -

A little help, if you please.  I trying to come up with one of those lefty-like protest rythmey things for my next Tea Party event.  You know what I'm talking about...  "Bush lied, people died."   That kind of thing.

The best I can seem to do is, "Obama dithered, the entire way of life together with the entire gulf ecosystem withered."

It pretty much sums it up, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue... IYKWIMAITYD.

 

89

It's nothing but an individual RSS feed, no mystery.

ummm..

What?

 

90

Anyone here enlighten me on the end game to this war I would appreciate it. What is our goal here now?

Posted by: robtr at June 14, 2010 03:27 PM (fwSHf)

I am not sure this answers your question... but clearly the end game doesn't lie in Afghanistan.  It lies more in Pakistan.  So long as Pakistan can use Afghanistan as an excuse to mask its own jihadi factories, we can't focus on forcing Pakistan to shut those down.  And forcing Pakistan to shut those down may require outright warfare if we lack sufficient other means to pressure them.  What is clear is that we can't tolerate the constant stream of jihadists coming out of Pakistan to kill us in our own cities.

91 A bit OT, but something that needs to go viral at least as much as Bob "slugger" Ethridge. Homeland Security is preparing to deport Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a top Hamas leader who worked with Israeli Intelligence to thwart numerous terrorist attacks, and later wrote a book about it, Son of Hamas.

Wouldn't sending him back to Pakistan pretty much be his death warrant?

92 70ACE -

Perhaps a little discussion on why teh Wun's Foreign Policy is the 'Mostest Historical' evah is in order?

One ship left port on Sunday and another will depart by Friday, loaded with mortars, foodconstruction missile-building material and toys AK-47s, the report said. "Until the end of (Israel's) Gaza blockade, Iran will continue to ship aid," said an official at Iran's Society for the Defense of the Palestinian Nation....

FIFT.

93 Wouldn't sending him back to Pakistan pretty much be his death warrant?

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 14, 2010 03:37 PM (IIjms)

He's not from Pakistan, he's from Gaza.  Deporting him there would be his death warrant, yes.  However, if the Obama Administration insists on this act of stupidity and injustice, I expect that Israel will offer to take him in.

94 For other big jihad news, check ocregister.com for news that UCI has banned the MSU.

95

A little help, if you please.  I trying to come up with one of those lefty-like protest rythmey things for my next Tea Party event.  You know what I'm talking about...  "Bush lied, people died."   That kind of thing.

The best I can seem to do is, "Obama dithered, the entire way of life together with the entire gulf ecosystem withered."

It pretty much sums it up, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue... IYKWIMAITYD.

You can't save the coast
With just a boast

OR

Found that ass yet?

96

The best I can seem to do is, "Obama dithered, the entire way of life together with the entire gulf ecosystem withered."

It pretty much sums it up, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue... IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 14, 2010 03:35 PM (RkRxq)

"Obama soiled himself, the Gulf oiled itself"?

97

spongeworthy: The ISI is rogue. It wouldn't be fair or accurate to claim the Pakistani government is mounting a proxy war against the U.S..

I disagree. I think that in every sovereign region, the entity which the government protects and permits to do dirty deeds is part of that government. Hizbollah is part of Lebanon's government, and the Black Panthers are part of the US government.

If the governments of Pakistan, Lebanon, and the US disagree with me, then it is their job to leash their dogs; not my job to pretend that life is rosy.

98 #98 is mine.

99 A little help, if you please.  I trying to come up with one of those lefty-like protest rythmey things for my next Tea Party event.  You know what I'm talking about...  "Bush lied, people died."   That kind of thing.

Only thing I can up with on short notice is Fuck Obama!

100 He's not from Pakistan, he's from Gaza.  Deporting him there would be his death warrant, yes.  However, if the Obama Administration insists on this act of stupidity and injustice, I expect that Israel will offer to take him in.

My brain said Palestine, my fingers typed Pakistan. Duh.

That was my next question, is if he could go to Israel. Unless they consider him a security risk as well?

101 A bit OT, but something that needs to go viral at least as much as Bob "slugger" Ethridge. Homeland Security is preparing to deport Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a top Hamas leader who worked with Israeli Intelligence to thwart numerous terrorist attacks, and later wrote a book about it, Son of Hamas.

Wouldn't sending him back to Pakistan pretty much be his death warrant?

He would not be in as great a danger as Obama's Aunt though. She got asylum.

102 Everything will be fine.

103

stuiec is correct on both counts, Yousef is from Gaza, and assuredly the Israelis would give him sanctuary.

Which does not in the slightest mitigate the idiocy of the Obama administration.

104 Rumors also suggest a massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making.

Paging Roland Emmerich, Mr. Emmerich to the white courtesy phone please. 

The best I can seem to do is, "Obama dithered, the entire way of life together with the entire gulf ecosystem withered."

Why don't you just use those bee things they're using at the World Cup?  Oh.  Right.  You don't want to get punched in the face by a Congressman.

105 That was my next question, is if he could go to Israel. Unless they consider him a security risk as well?

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 14, 2010 03:42 PM (IIjms)

I think if the Israelis thought he was a security risk, he'd be in an Israeli jail already.  From what I heard, the Israelis regard him as having helped Israel.

106

It's nothing but an individual RSS feed, no mystery.

ummm..

What?

It's ADD land.  On meth.  

(Actual answer - it's a tool that gives everyone an individual account to post 140 character messages.  You then add people's accounts and can read their insane chatterings in more or less real time in one place.)

107 Which does not in the slightest mitigate the idiocy of the Obama administration.

Well, that's a given.

108 Everything will be fine.

Posted by: pollyanna at June 14, 2010 03:43 PM (sjkX9)

Right up until the Sun reaches its red giant phase.

But of course, the supervolcanoes will have wiped us all out long before then.

109
Of course the ISI controls the Taliban. I recommend reading Bernard Henri-Levy's book, Who Killed Daniel Pearl. He makes a very strong case for this assertion. Levy even noted that, "...Pakistan is the rogue of all rogue nations." This book came out like ten years ago!

Posted by: mistress overdone at June 14, 2010 03:09 PM (2/oBD)

The book I mentioned (The Bear Trap) was published in 2001. One of its co-authors was the head of the ISI Afghan bureau. An interesting part of the book's description at Amazon:

Never published in the USA, the last remaining copies of the original 1992 UK hardcover edition were snapped up by US intelligence in the last week of September.

I have no idea what year that was written, but it rings true because used paperbacks start at $76.53.

It's worth getting through inter-library loan. It's a real eye opener.

110

#100     So much said  with so few words.I like it!

111 Part of the delay from other entities that might be able to help with the spill is their getting legal indemnities. It's a slow process which keeps them from being able to do anything.

112 Why don't you just use those bee things they're using at the World Cup?

When Barry whines tomorrow during prime time, will there be an audience?  The only place more perfect to whip out your vuvuzela would be when he tees off next time he's golfing.

It's ADD land.  On meth. 

There's dopamine involved somewhere, ayup.

113 We should invade Pakistan and convert their men to vagina. Human vagina.

114

The Taliban has always been a creature of the ISI.  Formed as a stick to beat the russians with (and with US approval) during their foray into Afganistan.  Problem is that the guys running the ISI are muslim extremists themselves and they scare the hell out of secular pakistanis and as a result are pretty much a law unto themselves.  The only way to beat the Taliban and give the Afgans a chance is to gut the ISI, perform a "night of the long knives" on them.

 

115 I don't know anything about the ISI, but I do know that we need kill a whole lot more of those goatfucking bastards as soon as we can.  I know.  I know.  Fat chance with our goatfucking president.

116 I tell ya,' Pakis don't get no respect. You know why Pakis don't get no respect? I dunno, maybe because they're fuckin' Pakis. I know that's not funny or anything, but it's the way it is.

117 *Obama yells "Fore!", the pelicans are sore!

The Gulf is no more.

118

This was already often speculated.

Yeah, I "speculated" about it years ago based on the fact that when KSM had Daniel Perle captive, one of their demands was that the U.S. speed up the delivery of those F-16s that they were giving to Pakistan.  I said to myself,  "Gee, considering that Pakistan is supposed to be an Ally of the U.S. and that they would use those new F-16s to bomb al Qaeda and the Taliban, why would Daniel Perle's kidnappers want a speedy delivery of those military assets to Pakistan?"

119

If the governments of Pakistan, Lebanon, and the US disagree with me, then it is their job to leash their dogs...

Provided it is within their power, I would agree.

120 This is not a good time to be a spook in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

We got your back!

121 Once again folks: We have no Muslim allies. We never will. We will have brief moments when their cause, the cause of Jihad, and our cause have a common enemy, for example the old Soviet Union, but it will never go beyond that. Islamic culture and Western culture are just too different to ever find common ground without one side or the other giving up what it loves the most. Pakistan, Arabia, Iraq, heck even Turkey are not our allies, but even some conservatives, who should know better (the Bush wing), who stick to this mind set that they are just religious folks like us who are fighting the secular "man". I hate to tell them this but the most Christian man in America is considered secular and an infidel to Muslims.

122 Pakistan is the chief enemy nation. We need to start thinking about what level of fatalities we will need to cause to adequately punish/deter them. I'm thinking somewhere in the mid eight figures.

123

Didn't we know this stuff in the run-up to overthrowing the Taliban?  Nothing's changed, except now we don't have the will or the leadership to say "you're either with us or against us".

Or whatever it is that Bush told Musharraf to make him fold so quickly.