January 06, 2010
— DrewM Well, I assume it's Andrew Sullivan, I mean you can never be too sure who is writing over there but this level of crazy seems right up Sully's lane so it's a safe bet it's him.
You see, St. Heartache is sick of the whole gosh darn mess over there so it's time to drop in some NATO troops (that's US in reality for those scoring at home) and impose a solution on those tiresome Israelis and Palestinians. (safe link to Commentary's website)
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
How exactly is the US having its foreign policy dictated to it by Israel? What are they going to do cut off their military aid to us and leave us to fend for ourselves in a part of the world where all our neighbors have tried to wipe us off the map on more than one occasion?
Oh wait, that's not an accurate portrayal of the US-Israeli power relationship.
Aside from the sheer lunacy of imposing borders on a sovereign democracy, which also happens to be a close ally, what in Sullivan's increasingly deranged mind makes him think the prospect of US soldiers fighting to keep Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest from attacking Israel is going to work? Does he really think these groups are just going to turn over their weapons to us or let us confiscate them without a fight?
You could go on for hours about why this is a nonsensical idea and the unending reasons why it wouldn't work.
The other day Sullivan actually wrote (safe link to the Google cache) "try thinking rather than just emoting. Which is easier said than done when blogging in real time."
All I can say to that is, try harder Andrew. Try harder.
On the upside, no one takes this lunatic seriously anymore. Unfortunately, this idiocy isn't simply the product of Andrew's feavered brain, it's something that's been floating around on the left for awhile. Below the fold, Samantha "Hillary Is A Monster" Power, now a member of Obama's NSC staff trotted it out back in 2002.
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Posted by: Popcorn at January 06, 2010 02:42 PM (OOehk)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at January 06, 2010 02:45 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 06, 2010 02:46 PM (VGeGl)
Maybe we all are?
OH SHIT WE ALL ARE, MAN.
Us. His mind.
Two glutes, same ass.
Dude.
Posted by: oblig., blowin' yr mind pothead stylee at January 06, 2010 02:46 PM (FWvuv)
They'd hardly ever be actually doing that. Most of the time, the NATO troops would be keeping Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest from attacking each other.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2010 02:47 PM (89RxY)
In the Middle East, this is Why Israel Will Win
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 06, 2010 02:48 PM (ruzrP)
Posted by: CDR M at January 06, 2010 02:50 PM (cvmTR)
Actually, they'd just be replacing a Joo target with a NATO target. Especially since most of the non-US, non-Polish NATO troops won't fight back.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2010 02:50 PM (NoFab)
No one takes this lunatic seriously anymore....
Ahem. Except for Prez Prissypants, who has mentioned he reads him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at January 06, 2010 02:52 PM (UOM48)
I can't even comment on how suicidal that would be.
I think Sullie's AIDS dementia is kicking in..
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 02:53 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: Dell at January 06, 2010 02:54 PM (5ppXf)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at January 06, 2010 02:54 PM (MbyMv)
Posted by: di butler at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (S3xX1)
Invade Israel? Uh, no. That's batshit insane.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (ADbI4)
Remember that year-end deadline Obama gave Iran? Well, apparently that deadline expired before it went into effect:
Taking advantage of the ado surrounding the failed airliner bombing and the new prominence of the al Qaeda peril, the Obama administration has finally given up its sanctions strategy for averting the rise of a nuclear-armed Iran. US secretary of state Hillary Clinton was tasked with the public announcement: "The Obama administration wants to keep the door to dialogue open with Iran," she said Jan. 4, then added a remark which let Iran completely of the American hook: "Â…although the United States has avoided using the term deadline, it cannot wait indefinitely to hear form Iran."
Her words explicitly backtracked on statements by other senior administration officials, including National Security Adviser James Jones, in recent interviews that Tehran's deadline for responding to international proposals expired on Dec. 31. DEBKAfile's Iranian sources report that Tehran sees Washington as so eager to reach the negotiating table that it is falling back from effective penalties step by step, including an embargo on refined oils and benzene, and even willing to forgive Iran's failure to meet a highly publicized international deadline.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (Vu6sl)
And do what, just forget about Iraq, the Stan, and the other places we are presently having to deal with Muslim nutjobs? Well, alrighty then. Here we go.
Posted by: mikeyslaw at January 06, 2010 02:55 PM (QMGr1)
...an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
Hmmm, is Andrew describing the United Nations the EU Pakistan the Democrat party?
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 02:56 PM (Uf4aV)
"I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs."
But Bush was a unilateral cowboy, whereas Obama with his "let's listen to the world" ways is dreamy.
Posted by: Benson at January 06, 2010 02:56 PM (qzcNU)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at January 06, 2010 06:45 PM (Vu6sl)
I used to think she looked pretty hawt but watching and listening to that video made her look really really hideous. Plus her gestures reminded me of the Seinfeld episode with the woman with ginormous hands.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 06, 2010 02:56 PM (VGeGl)
I'm sick of foreigners like Milky Loads trying to dictate American foreign policy. Word to Milky: You are not a citizen - STFU.
Posted by: Jazz at January 06, 2010 02:57 PM (EWKi1)
Proving once again that liberals know absolutely nothing about waging war. Any kind of war. I'll bet that idiot Sully believes that invading Israel would be just as quick as bringing down Saddam Hussein.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2010 02:59 PM (89RxY)
Funny how the same people who criticized Bush for being a chest-thumper has no problem when Obama talks tough and says stupid shit such as he won't tolerate lapses in America's national security?
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 02:59 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: willow at January 06, 2010 02:59 PM (7FgWm)
Duh. Joos rule us all. Sully is dusting off his original copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as we speak.
Posted by: Johnny at January 06, 2010 03:00 PM (xVKXy)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:01 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: Elder of Zion at January 06, 2010 03:01 PM (QKKT0)
Brain Cells: You know, we're thinking we should invade Andrew Sullivan's head.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 06, 2010 03:01 PM (tm/sN)
Posted by: GarandFan at January 06, 2010 03:02 PM (ZQBnQ)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 03:03 PM (S2NsL)
Posted by: willow at January 06, 2010 03:03 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:04 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: kefka at January 06, 2010 03:05 PM (n1uMU)
Posted by: willow at January 06, 2010 03:06 PM (7FgWm)
Hey, while we're at it, let's invade Canada, Britain, and Australia. What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 06, 2010 03:06 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 03:07 PM (7FgWm)
Completely off topic, but Gibb's in press conference when questioned about Obama breaking an explicit campaign promise to have health care reform debate/process televised on C-SPAN. Unbelievable! Gibbs is so fricking arrogant, and the reporter, Chip what's his name was actually pretty good trying to get an answer out of Beltway Bob who was incredibly snotty and dismissive. Chip even asked if it was true that it was in fact Obama who was pressing congress to skip reconciliation and encouraging the Dems not to be transparent. Here's the link from Hotair:
http://tinyurl.com/yfer4p4Posted by: runningrn at January 06, 2010 03:09 PM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 03:09 PM (S2NsL)
Therefore, I will gladly pledge as high as the three US American dollar level to send captain Sullypants over to attempt a frontal assault on Israel.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 06, 2010 03:09 PM (h4SGS)
Posted by: Fresh Air at January 06, 2010 03:09 PM (297F0)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 06, 2010 03:09 PM (zgZzy)
Awesomenesses!
Anyone think Code Pink and every other peace creep organization out there would even say a word if we actually DID invade Israel? I bet they wouldn't.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 03:11 PM (F09Uo)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:11 PM (gofDd)
Have I mentioned that Eric Cantor is a jooooooooooooooooo?
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan's Labia at January 06, 2010 03:12 PM (8n1j5)
-- di butler
Why would any moral sane human being wish for that?
You call for genocide against people, some of whom I know. It's a disgusting, vicious thought, and I'd say you should feel shame, but you're probably incapable of it.
You are an extreme, murderous bitch to write such a thing. To say the least, I and any half decent person disagrees.
To those that don't disagree, see above.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:12 PM (0fq7b)
Great idea, Glutes. You're drafted.
We don't even have to worry about the ban on teh gheys. He's a UK citizen. They don't have such a ban.
Go to the front lines or shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 03:13 PM (vwg/7)
Posted by: Melodic Metal at January 06, 2010 03:14 PM (9QC0z)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 07:09 PM (S2NsL)
I fail to see how giving them someone to answer phone calls and schedule meetings solves the problem.
Posted by: GWB at January 06, 2010 03:14 PM (Fbdn3)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at January 06, 2010 03:15 PM (MbyMv)
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 03:16 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 07:09 PM (S2NsL)
It worked for Arafat.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:16 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: Fresh Air at January 06, 2010 07:09 PM (297F0)
No, that's not a good simile. Retarded children aren't granted a forum by people who should know better. Nor are they listened to by lots of people who probably don't know better. Sully is a universe of one. Future generations, assuming there are any, will wonder why anybody gave him any credence.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 06, 2010 03:17 PM (VGeGl)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 06, 2010 03:17 PM (zgZzy)
You call for genocide against people, some of whom I know. It's a disgusting, vicious thought, and I'd say you should feel shame, but you're probably incapable of it.
-- St. Nuisance of the Annoying Order
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:17 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 03:18 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Crusty at January 06, 2010 03:18 PM (qzgbP)
Posted by: jukin at January 06, 2010 03:18 PM (vkkNZ)
Palis - is there anything they can't fuck up?
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:19 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: gordo at January 06, 2010 03:20 PM (OaZkP)
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 03:20 PM (F09Uo)
And Ace, if he read that statement, would understand that.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:20 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 03:21 PM (ADbI4)
"I am still holding out hope of Israel just getting finally fed up and going Terminator on the Palis."
Going "Terminator" on the "Palis" sounds a lot like genocide.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:22 PM (0fq7b)
Andi, like Perez Hilton, hides behind his homosexuality. He says the most vile things, and then when someone tells him the truth about himself, screeches "Homophobe!"
(Redacted. Don't be that guy-DrewM.)
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 03:22 PM (vwg/7)
"moi", you are also a murderous asshole for agreeing with such a statement.
Cool! And you are a pompous boring asshole.
And Ace, if he reads that statement, would heartily agree.
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 03:23 PM (7FgWm)
Almost no real benefit, except for intelligence on Muslim terrorists. And help in developing a missile-defense system. And the excellent reactive armor we use on our tanks and armored fighting vehicles. And the computer system used in the Bradley AFV. And the helmet used by the pilots of the F-16.
Oh, and antiship-missile defense systems. And the initial MOUT (military operations on urban terrain) training our troops got before Iraq. And the new smart mortar shell. And about 50 other things I can't think of off the top of my head.
Here's something that will make Andi gobsmackingly heartsick: We've learned so much about MOUT in Iraq that we built a training center for the IDF and stocked it with American instructors. That's why the IDF kicked terrorist ass to the moon during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza.
Hamas used every single trick in the Iraqi insurgent book, but the IDF countered every single one. The IDF lost only 13 men in a month of nonstop urban combat. It's one of the most impressive feats in military history.
And they did it thanks to us. Put that up your tailpipe and smoke it, Andi.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 03:23 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: di butler at January 06, 2010 06:55 PM (S3xX1)
I'm with you, di. Of all the muslim subgroups, none of whom are desireable, the Palis are probably the worst. There is a great post up on GatesofVienna today concerning their toxic cultural depravity. The world would be well rid of them, and it would make a fine lesson for the rest of them.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 03:23 PM (4nbyM)
I have a friend who is a Palestinian and he believes in the dissolution of Israel as well. Because he is an American I imagine he's not as anti-Semitic as his cousins in Palestine, but none of them of sympathetic to Israel.
And please refrain from calling di a murderous bitch. She is not such.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:23 PM (gofDd)
Are you shitting me? Every generation of Palestinians is poisoned by their elders.
The cycle of hate and violence would end if somehow all the adult Palestinians disappeared and their young children were able to grow up without being indoctrinated to hate and murder.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:24 PM (Uf4aV)
As RJ points out re: 73 (if not 15), yes another, but surprisingly a lesser, example of a beyond the pale statement.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:24 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Tony B at January 06, 2010 03:24 PM (tKaTS)
Give this man a Garand, a Bayonnet and a ticket to Tel Aviv.
Lead the charge, Andi -
My guess is you are already running to get your shinebox!
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 03:24 PM (JzemV)
"I am still holding out hope of Israel just getting finally fed up and going Terminator on the Palis."
Going "Terminator" on the "Palis" sounds a lot like genocide.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:22 PM (0fq7b)
No, it's called kicking their ass and breaking their things until they get with the program. Look up WWII, I believe that how we did things back then, or do you think that was a genocide too?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 03:25 PM (F09Uo)
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 03:25 PM (1ICJZ)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:22 PM (0fq7b)
Not if we send Anhold over there and show them how to do crunch curls.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:25 PM (9t7zt)
That's an interesting point. If you look at the history of the ME, from about the 19th century on, every country has kicked out the Palestinians for one reason or another. The Egyptians, the Jordanians. No one wants them because they are troublemakers.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:26 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 03:26 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2010 03:28 PM (tE8FB)
Christoph, you are an annoying jackass. Take that finger your rubbing and shove it up your ass. We are grownups here and you could never make me feel shame. I don't respect you, and that is key you whiney twit.
Oh shame! Shame on you! Shit fool, the palis LIVE to kill Jews. Fuck them with a Cholla cactus.
Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2010 03:28 PM (bPBGI)
"Are you shitting me? Every generation of Palestinians is poisoned by their elders."
I have come across that much, and had many often brutally frank arguments with Palestinians and Palestinian exiles as a result.
"The cycle of hate and violence would end if somehow (emphasis mine) all the adult Palestinians disappeared and their young children were able to grow up without being indoctrinated to hate and murder."
We, and by that I mean your country and mine and our allies, our civilisation, managed to change the direction of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Militant Japan without genocide. You seem to postulate that genocide would be a good thing here.
That is where you, and people like you, are beyond the pale and would not be tolerated in a normal, civilised political forum.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:28 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:28 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 07:25 PM (1ICJZ)
Thank you, Sheik Yassin. We now have your coordinates.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:29 PM (9t7zt)
Once again, there are not a few far right, hard core, extremist right wing voices on this site that have no problem with someone calling for genocide, but rather with genocide's critics.
Fortunately the Israelis are more mature than a sizeable minoroty of AoSHQ commenters.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:29 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:22 PM (0fq7b)
wow Christoph your AP defending and out of nowhere religion bating comments have nothing on app. not believing Isreal should defend themselvesPosted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 03:29 PM (MxqA5)
"...alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import..."
is not too far away from Gen. Clark's reference to "New York moneymen", huh?
Posted by: David in San Diego at January 06, 2010 03:30 PM (GF+6V)
In any event, St. Andi has apparently failed to consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear power, so a US invasion is probably a bad idea under any circumstance. And what the hell business do we have trying to impose peace on anyone? Let 'em fight it out - I'm not willing to see Americans die in fights that don't matter.
The sad thing is after condoning such a strategy now, in a few years he'll turn around and start shrieking about, you know, American imperialism and the military industrial complex and bad intelligence and how he was lied to when he heard the Israelis and Palestinians are really just peaceful goat herders in need of guidance.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 03:30 PM (XIXhw)
No one opposes a robust military response to actually aggression. That is different than going "Terminator" on the "Palis." The Terminators goal, of course, was total annihilation, and while you may not call for that, di butler did.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:32 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2010 03:32 PM (bPBGI)
St Christoph, O holy saint of self-righteous indignation, listen closely:
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE OUR CIVILIZATION AND SALVAGE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE BARBARIANS WHO CALL THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS.
These animals are so corrupted and maniacal they cannot be reasoned with. They are hell bent on destroying civilization. THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO COEXIST WITH ANYONE.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:33 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 07:29 PM (MxqA5)
Once again I have never, ever said Israel shouldn't "defend themselves".That is not the same thing as di butler's reprehensible genocidal comment.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:33 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:29 PM (0fq7b)
your stuck up attitude would be applauded by AP & CJ
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 03:33 PM (MxqA5)
*The not-judgemental-of-his-sexuality kind of cocksucker.
Posted by: NJConservative at January 06, 2010 03:33 PM (/Ywwg)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 06, 2010 03:34 PM (hF8Tn)
Anything else to say? Any refutation of what I wrote? If Israel wants US as an ally, should it not act as an ally in return?
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 03:34 PM (1ICJZ)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:33 PM (0fq7b)
you do realize that w/o the US or Great Britian around the Isrealis would be facing genocide from those barbarians and that those barbarians have gone ahead and had genocide done right here in the US itself
David Brooks would be proud of stuck up attitudes like yours
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 03:35 PM (MxqA5)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:28 PM (0fq7b)
Yes, the old "Cycle Of Violence" meme. Whenever the Israelis finally get angry enough to kick some ass, the weeping Pali-lovers roll that one out there.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:35 PM (9t7zt)
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 07:33 PM (Uf4aV)
Yes, as I said, not a few hard right, pro-genocide, extremist voices here that would be kicked out of most decent political forums, online or elsewhere. Your and especially di butler's statements would be quite rightly denied in a moment by any GOP politician who wanted to get elected to any office, including dog catcher, in any state.
Not to mention not being kicked out of the party.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:35 PM (0fq7b)
Real sci-fi stuff, but those dirty Israelis have perfected it and given it to us.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 03:36 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 07:35 PM (9t7zt)
There is a qualitative difference between Israel mounting a robust defense, and what di butler said, and what Huge, Quickly said.Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:36 PM (0fq7b)
Anything else to say? Any refutation of what I wrote? If Israel wants US as an ally, should it not act as an ally in return?
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 07:34 PM (1ICJZ)
It is an ally, and shares our values. Have you ever been there, you stupid prick?
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:36 PM (9t7zt)
That is where you, and people like you, are beyond the pale and would not be tolerated in a normal, civilised political forum.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:28 PM (0fq7b)
Bah! The Germans, Italians, and even Japanese were not culturally murderous in the way that the Palis (and most muzzies) are. Your average German wasn't a concentration camp guard in his mentality. They were CIVILIZED. The Pali vermin are not.
Your censorious attitude is what should not be accepted in a civilized political forum. A discussion of the appropriate way to bring about a final solution to the muslim/Pali problem is long overdue. And for clarity, I'm quite willing to endorse the irradication of the Palis should there ever be a cost effective way to do so. The world would be a better place.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 03:38 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: LGoPs at January 06, 2010 03:38 PM (tm/sN)
Bud, I didn't insult you, so don't try to insult me. No, I have never been there - which proves what? Again, can you refute the fact that Israel spies on us? Can you explain the attack on USS Liberty? Can you explain it to the families of the American sailors who died there?
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 03:39 PM (1ICJZ)
So "going terminator" basically alludes to taking out the leadership/originators of a group, not the people themselves.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 03:40 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: RTH615 at January 06, 2010 03:40 PM (Rytlc)
Your words speak for themselves.
AoSHQ is a great place in the sense that Ace is a brilliant, funny, and astute writer, one of the best of the best in any context.
Many of his co-bloggers (Gabriel Malor, DrewM., Purple Avenger, et al.) are good in their own rights. Many of the commenters here are great.
And not a small fraction are hard right, evil, pro-genocide, murderous, discredit-to-the-conservative-cause, anti-human, and quite frankly Nazi-like folk.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:41 PM (0fq7b)
There is not 100% support of Israel here, the left hates Israel and loves the terrorists Palestinians. As for spying, Israel is not seeking information to hurt us, but to survive, or at least stop its citizens from being killed. As for the Liberty, you have proof it was intentional, link it.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 03:41 PM (S2NsL)
di butler said the target is the "Palis", not Sarah Conor.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:41 PM (0fq7b)
What do you call a person who blows himself up along with women and children on a bus? This is their culture, St Christoph. The actual homocide bombers might be relatively few in number, but the entire lot of Palestinians support and foster these actions.
I consider them sub-humans because they do not behave like civilized humans. Normal people, for instance, don't lob grenades and fire missiles into Israeli neighborhoods to kill randomly just for fun.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:41 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 06, 2010 03:41 PM (ZtwUX)
That is where you, and people like you, are beyond the pale and would not be tolerated in a normal, civilised political forum.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:28 PM (0fq7b)
There was also the small fact that the Germans, Italians and Japanese had no doubt whatsoever in their minds that they had had their asses kicked. Made them a tad more amenable to being rehabilitated.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 06, 2010 03:42 PM (tm/sN)
Dude, take some Midol, get a full hot water bottle, and lie down for a while. It'll help with the cramps.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 03:42 PM (92zkk)
Funny. The pressure comes almost 100 percent from the U.S. We forced Israel to not react when Saddam rained SCUDs on her; we forced Israel to accept the Oslo Accord; we forced Israel to stop the 2006 war with Hezbollah before she achieved decisive victory; we refused to sell Israel bunker-buster bombs, because we were afraid she'd attack Iran...
The list goes on and on. You anti-Israel dopes have it completely backwards. The U.S. controls Israel far more than Israel controls the U.S.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 03:42 PM (cVJwC)
I imagine Charles Martel, when he was fighting at the Gates of Vienna, wanted to wipe out each and every Saracen invading his country. Does that make him genocidal?
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:43 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: "Anti-Semite." Note the initials. at January 06, 2010 03:44 PM (d5KAO)
Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2010 03:44 PM (bPBGI)
Andrew Sullivan and Lady Gag in the same day? Get some more war porn up to cleanse the palette! Or at least the story of the bus full of terrorists who blew themselves up in Afghanistan.
Hey looky there. I spelled Afghanistan right the first time!
Posted by: Dang at January 06, 2010 03:44 PM (UA4gE)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 07:35 PM (9t7zt)
There is a qualitative difference between Israel mounting a robust defense, and what di butler said, and what Huge, Quickly said.Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:36 PM (0fq7b)
If the Palestinians want peace and an actual economy and a future, fucking with a powerful and technologically advanced neighbor like Israel is pretty suicidal. If they get wasted by being so stupid, then whose fault is it? I don't think that flattening Palestine is looked on favorably by many Israelis, who crave peace with their neighbors, but it they target Dimona or Tel Aviv or central Jerusalem, all bets are off.
The only way forward for Palestine is to have peaceful economic cooperation with Israel and to embrace the 21st century.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:45 PM (9t7zt)
Your refusal to understand or accept simple metaphors shows your intellectual lack. Such MORAL OUTRAGE as yours is birthed either in easy excitability or in faux outrage.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 03:45 PM (92zkk)
Maybe without genocide, but we sure did kill a hell of a lot of them. Were we to do that in the West Bank, Christoph, you would be shouting ringing denunciations.
Not every society is salvageable the way the Germans, the Italians, and the Japanese were. For one thing, the Palestinians are pawns of the regional Arab states, and will continue to be pawns even if we put a soldier on every street corner. There will be no letup in the bombs, mortars, and rockets for the simple reason that someone else is paying for it all. Could we fix things by occupying the entirety of the Middle East and brutally suppressing anyone who made a peep of protest, like the Romans did? Sure, but who would want to?
Also, the Germans, Italians, and Japanese of 1945 had more advanced civilizations than the Palestinians to today. It would take generations and trillions of dollars to root out enough pathologies that a Palestinian state would be anything more than what the Palestinian areas are today - the world's biggest welfare slum.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 03:45 PM (XIXhw)
Hello? Bueller?
Posted by: Al at January 06, 2010 03:45 PM (0lyUI)
Both of my Senators are worthless LIBTARDS, neither EVAH expresses any support for Israel.
Both are EVIL JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS.
KOHL and FEINGOLD. LIB and TARDED.
Posted by: gus at January 06, 2010 03:45 PM (Vqruj)
No, he was fighting an invading force. The Israelis, to their credit, have never followed the genocidal policy several of Ace's commenters advocate here.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:46 PM (0fq7b)
How about "Going Martel on the Palis"? Or is that too obscure an historical reference?
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:47 PM (gofDd)
Christoph, honestly, tell me what you think of Jimbo's (that would be me) "peace plan" for the Middle East, and tell me of you think it's "genocidal".
Destroy their homeland, obliterate their culture, erase their cites and settlements invalidate all of their land claims (even if seeming legitimate in some cases) and then remove the ones in Gaza to Egypt and the ones on the West Bank into Jordan. The word "Palestinian" goes into the dustbin of history and no aspect of their culture is acknowledged is mentioned.
Harsh, sure, but ultimately less cruel than doing nothing.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 03:47 PM (F09Uo)
Does St Scold realize how many hundreds (maybe thousands) of times the Israelis reached out to the Palestinians to try to coexist with them?
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:48 PM (Uf4aV)
Drop the ad hominem - I don't recall insulting you. All I ask from Israel is that it act as an ally - don't spy on us, don't attack our ships, etc.. Does that make me an "anti-Israeli dope"? How so? US involvement in Israeli foreign policy makes perfect sense - we are the ones who give them a protective umbrella, not the other way around.
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 03:48 PM (1ICJZ)
Vigorous battle with the goal of victory and enemy capitulation, collateral damage be damned, is one thing.
Wiping out the Palis is quite another.
You are mistake that I would be denouncing unintentional, but heavy, collateral damage if in the pursuit of legitimate war aims.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:48 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: PMain at January 06, 2010 03:48 PM (fs1gP)
yeah, that's convincing.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 06, 2010 03:49 PM (DIYmd)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 06, 2010 03:49 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 03:49 PM (dQdrY)
Don't forget Hiroshima and Nagaski and Stalingrad, plus other parts of Russia not coming to me at the moment.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:50 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 06, 2010 03:50 PM (S2NsL)
The children are taught from infancy to hate the Israelis and look down upon the infidels with contempt. They are taught jihadism as toddlers.
And you're calling us sick?
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 03:50 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2010 03:50 PM (bPBGI)
Sillyvan should worry more about the war on AIDS, that's a much greater threat to his well being than Israel.
Israel sits there and gets attacked every day. Naturally we should side with TERRORISTS. Why? Because LIBTARDS are not emotionally sound.
Sullivan is gay and libtard. Bad bad combo.
Posted by: gus at January 06, 2010 03:51 PM (Vqruj)
Posted by: Bilal at January 06, 2010 07:47 PM (JmHn4)
he reminds me of AP & Brooks all rolled into one
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 03:51 PM (MxqA5)
Destroy their homeland, obliterate their culture, erase their cites and settlements invalidate all of their land claims (even if seeming legitimate in some cases) and then remove the ones in Gaza to Egypt and the ones on the West Bank into Jordan. The word "Palestinian" goes into the dustbin of history and no aspect of their culture is acknowledged is mentioned.
Harsh, sure, but ultimately less cruel than doing nothing.
Fair question. I will answer.Islam is a dangerous threat to the world, and is the best designed religion ever for expansion and global domination for several reasons.
1, that is its goal. 2, it kills non-believers. 3, sex as a reward in heaven for angry mateless young men. And other reasons besides. You're smart. You could add several, some better.
That plan, while at the far extreme of what could be morally defensible, could possibly be justified in a war for survival of western civilisation against an intractable threat.
It's goal, however, is victory, and not to terminate the "Palis" as several commenters here have said is acceptable and desirable to them.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:51 PM (0fq7b)
Suicide bombers who blow up innocents on buses, in dance clubs and pizza parlors are not an invading force in Israel? People who democratically elect the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah, both known terrorist organizations, and fund the people to carry out terrorist actions against Israel, don't count as an invading force? Maybe they don't have the armies of the Saracens of yore, but I could consider them an invading force.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:52 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: odys at January 06, 2010 07:39 PM (1ICJZ)
Here we go.... an errant attack during a desperate war of survival and a complete accident.
I never notice all you concern Arabist trolls ever giving an infintesimal shit about the 248 Marines purposely blown up by Hizbullah and Iran in Beirut in 1983, 17 years more recent than the USS Liberty accident.
How curious...
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 03:53 PM (9t7zt)
Christoph, show me a time that the Palis have not behaved in a manner typical of a barbarian savage. How many cease fires have been broken by rocket attacks into (random) civilian areas from hospitals and schools? How many suicide bombers have detonated themselves in buses, cafes and other public places? Show me where Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO have offered to be the first to disarm or at the least, stop the violence. You have the stated, undisguised goal of those organizations with with majority support of the people in those territories, to "Drive Israel Into the Ocean" and wipe out every last citizen of that state. They are calling for genocide, yet I don't see any anger at "banning them from civil forums."
They are failing to be civilized. Israel has been quite civil in there response. Under Pax Romana, there would have been much harsher treatment, as 115 stated.
Posted by: GeoSTI at January 06, 2010 03:53 PM (chyhr)
No. What makes you an anti-Israel dope is your stupid, uninformed, boilerplate talking point that Israel controls the U.S., when the reality is that the opposite is true.
Israel acts like an ally and also looks out for her own interests, just like we do. The attack on the Liberty is both anomalous and unclear. You describe it as part of a pattern, which it isn't, and an irrefutably deliberate attack, which is not true. It's unclear if it was deliberate.
All your talking points are false, which makes you either stupid or a liar.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 03:54 PM (cVJwC)
We can't even nuke them, what with Jerusalem being the third or fourth or whatever holiest city in Islam.
Posted by: toby928 at January 06, 2010 03:54 PM (PD1tk)
The word "Palestinian" goes into the dustbin of history and no aspect of their culture is acknowledged is mentioned.
Make a desert, and call it peace. I like it.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 03:55 PM (dQdrY)
You could go on for hours about why this is a nonsensical idea and the unending reasons why it wouldn't work.
You don't really have to go any further than:
Reason #1: the Mossad
OTOH, Obama and Holder can piss off the CIA, and just get a little embarrassed in return.
Now if they were to go and piss off the Mossad...
Posted by: sherlock at January 06, 2010 03:56 PM (jdXw+)
Some Palestinians behave this way. Not all. It is ridiculous to argue they all do.
I met a 30-year old Palestinian psychiatrist while travelling once.
Her main thing was actually medicine, not Jew-killing. Come to think of it, none of the Palestinians I know have killled Jews, although many are angry.
Some of actually had their family members killed. War sucks. Genocide isn't the answer, except maybe in the Bible or in Nazi Germany.
But we, as a civilisation, have moved beyond that I thought.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 03:57 PM (0fq7b)
I guess that murderous attack on the Israeli Olympic team was a MOSSAD operation??
Can anyone tell me of a single incident where Israeli's have hijacked a Muzztard plane?
Little tiny Israel bothers LIBTARDS. Why is that?
Why do LIBTARDS love Barbarian Savages with towels who dance in the streets burning our flag? No, I'm not talking about Opies pal Bill Ayers.
Posted by: gus at January 06, 2010 03:57 PM (Vqruj)
To shore up your point, a lot of Israelis are resentful of US influence in their affairs. There was quite a bit of grumbling by Israeli Jews of American Jewish influence (and money) that the Knesset finally had to do something about it.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 03:58 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Matt Iglesias, and the Lefty Army of Palistinian Liberators at January 06, 2010 03:58 PM (Zj8fM)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:41 PM (0fq7b)
It's this kind of "kinder, gentler" panty waist conservatism that is holding the movement back. People do not respect those who can't make the hard choices. You think I want to see mounds of charred children and long to drink blood? Sometimes the unpleasant choice is the right choice. The fact is that the tactic of simply trying to come to some agreement with the Palis is appeasement, plain and simple. Limited wars to reduce their fighting capability are of no use, as it will simply be rebuilt in time. The Palis have human intelligence (though degraded) and as a result will improve their methods over time. To do anything short of destroy them is to wait around for them to finally figure out how to kill enough people to get what they want. It's intolerable. The Israelis have shown super-human restraint - if the Mexicans were lobbing mortars into our border cities every damn day, blowing up schools and hospitals ON PURPOSE, we would, quite rightly, go in and wup ass. Thank God that the Mexicans are decent folk, on the whole, but if they weren't - if they were like the Palis - we'd have no peace until we killed them all. And we would be fully justified in doing so.
And wherestherum - I hope you don't mind recieving praise from an evil, nazi-like bastard like myself - but I have to say that any woman who can make a Charles "the Hammer Martel" reference is a truly fine specimen of feminity. The more of your posts I read the more impressed I am.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 03:59 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: hutch1200 at January 06, 2010 03:59 PM (pldpJ)
ok that's it, you try to sympathyze w/ jew killers and then dare to compare biblical acts w/ acts by Hitler? now i'm really fucking pissed at your shit. Even AP wouldn't have the balls to state that shit. are you fucking serious? are you fucking serious? get the fuck out of here dipshit
i'm sorry ace but christoph's stuck up attitude was one thing but a comment like that just brings out all the anger in me to come out
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:00 PM (MxqA5)
Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 06, 2010 04:00 PM (n2wxa)
Oh I doubt it. The pattern for people on the left is to drone on about legitimate war aims and then never find one that seems legitimate.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 04:00 PM (XIXhw)
Her main thing was actually medicine, not Jew-killing. Come to think of it, none of the Palestinians I know have killled Jews, although many are angry.
I have a friend who's a 37 year old Palestinian. He sells insurance. As far as I know he hasn't killed any Jews, either. His father is retired and likes to trade stocks. His wife was a Mormon.
See, I can play this game too.
I think we're talking about Palestinians currently living and growing up in the ME.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:01 PM (gofDd)
Not surprising. The Palestinians actually have a Ministry of Uncontrollable Rage.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:01 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:51 PM (0fq7b)
Ultimately I think it really is a war of survival, not only for Israel but for the West. I also don't think that anyone here wants to kill ALL the Palestinians, but ultimately we will have to kill MANY of them. The only real point of debate is how many and how soon.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 04:01 PM (F09Uo)
I am not going to get into a whole debate about this, but the Biblical genocides were more extreme, assuming the Bible is a true record.
That's all I have to say on the subject, and if you disagree, read Numbers.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:02 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 06, 2010 04:02 PM (ZtwUX)
Why, thank you. He's one of my favorite people in history, when Europe used to be badass.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:03 PM (gofDd)
"I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs."
Wow. The Israeli Knesset must have shot down a same sex marriage bill or something.
Posted by: Dirk Diggler at January 06, 2010 04:03 PM (ifUBy)
The Israelis have used terror in the distant pass. How much do you want to bet that, if they are militarily defeated, that the Israelis might be BETTER at using terrorism to retaliate, then, let us say, the Arabs?
Do you think that any of those Israeli nukes will be captured if they are invaded by us?
Just a thought.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:04 PM (kCEOg)
I am disgusted by some of the people here and their support of modern genocide.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:04 PM (0fq7b)
Taking a bullet for the team, I went there. More of his words of wisdom babbling nonsense:
I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.
Okay, now drink everytime he emotes in that paragraph.
<thunk>
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 06, 2010 04:05 PM (Be4xl)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:02 PM (0fq7b)
there's a difference in defying God's law & living as an immoral society and killing jews just for being jews, you're gonna start that typical ignorant stuck up atheists shit along w/ sucking up to the Palis? fuck you stuck up POS go get your laughs w/ AP & CJ your ass took the pot shot and i'm not taking kind to it, stick to the subject and don't bring up w/e idiotic stuck up atheists attitude you have about the bible
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:05 PM (MxqA5)
You'll enjoy my coming out post that throws Israel under the bus
Odys - you as well
Posted by: chaz johnson at January 06, 2010 04:05 PM (vez2r)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 06, 2010 04:06 PM (RdGs9)
I am not arguing that they all believe the same. I stated majority. If the bulk of the people wanted peace, they'd have it. They'd likely have posterity as well, not to mention the protection of one of the best fighting forces the world has seen.
Thus, the solution seems to be for the IDF to pound this thought into them. The question is how many Dresden's have to occur before the Palestinians say "No more"? Given the cultural imperative towards suicide/martyrdom, I think this would be topping 50%.
Posted by: GeoSTI at January 06, 2010 04:06 PM (chyhr)
What reasonable, normal person could ever be an apologist for the Palestinians? It takes a unique kind of mental disorder to see any 'good' or potential for good in the Palestinians?
From morning until night, the Palestinians speak, teach, and practice evil. These are a group of subhumans who have no place in our civilization. That goes for most other Muslims, too.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:06 PM (Uf4aV)
and i'm disgusted w/ the fucking pot shot you took at the bible, really leave shit like that over at CJ's place, your a waste of space here
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:07 PM (MxqA5)
The absolute proof that the U.S. controls Israel is the 2006 war with Hezbollah. We forced Israel to end the war before she had crushed Hezbollah, and then we forced her to sit by and watch Hezbollah rearm under the noses of the U.N. observers.
The anti-Israel idiots never acknowledge this. According to them, Israel is the evil (hook-nosed) puppet master, cackling horribly as she makes the U.S. dance. About five seconds of actual thought disproves this notion.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:08 PM (cVJwC)
"Come to think of it, none of the Palestinians I know have killled Jews",
But Casey Kassem has killed my Jewish ears for three decades.
His wife, however, is/was hawt.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 04:08 PM (9t7zt)
The Palestinians here are a lot like those Irish cocksucker immigrants who used to send money to the IRA in Ireland.
aww shit, don't get me going on the Irish.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:09 PM (Uf4aV)
No offense, to any Irish here, of course. Just talking about the IRA supporters, which there many in South Boston for decades.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:10 PM (Uf4aV)
To say that I respect the modern Jews for their ethics and humanity, even in the military realm, and that they are morally superior to a lot of far-right, raving genocidal extremists here, does not equal either fascist or anti-Semitic.
I am right. You are wrong.
Genocide against the Palestinians is an evil idea. The Jews know this.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:10 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 08:07 PM (kCEOg)
idc if your atheist or not but don't change the subject w/ a pot shot like that to stir emotions, stick to the subject
christoph just set me off man
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:11 PM (MxqA5)
Why should we support a culture that breeds hate? We know it breeds hate, hate for Jews, hate for the West. Kind of like lefties breed hate. Why should we tolerate this? We didn't tolerate what the Nazis did to the Jews, the disabled, the Gypsies. We didn't tolerate what Japan did to the Filipinos.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:11 PM (gofDd)
Anal-retentive nitpick: Charles Martel fought the Muslim invading army at Tours, not Vienna. Your point is still valid, though.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2010 04:11 PM (89RxY)
aww shit, don't get me going on the Irish.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 08:09 PM (Uf4aV)
But at least the Irish were excellent bartenders and fabulous moving company employees!
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 06, 2010 04:12 PM (ZtwUX)
Yet you have sited NO true statements of those who advocate actual genocide. You've twisted a statement by Di Butler into something you believe was meant, but the statement didn't correlate.
Look Christoph, no one here wants to see the Palestinians completely decimated; at least, no one in the comments have stated this. However, how long must Israel continue to put up with Palestinian bombs being launched into civilian population centers? How much longer should Israel have to sit back while the terrorist-infested government of the palestinian people keeps shouting "Death to Israel! Drive them into the sea!"?
Because from what I've seen from the Palestinians, Christoph, is that they would be just as happy as clams for GENOCIDE to happen upon the state of Israel, and the ONLY statements of pure genocidal tendencies come from the palestinian leaders, and not at all from Israel.
Again Dude - chill pill, glass of water, some assembly required.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 04:12 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: izoneguy at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (4B2Bd)
From morning until night, the Palestinians speak, teach, and practice evil. These are a group of subhumans who have no place in our civilization. That goes for most other Muslims, too.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 08:06 PM (Uf4aV)
And all the while whining about their plight.
Posted by: loppyd at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (UJIeT)
"...no one takes this lunatic seriously..."
I don't understand why you wasted all that bandwidth when the phrase above was all you needed to write.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (7FgWm)
No one said you should. There is a difference between winning military victory to change a culture so it is more pacific, and genocide.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (0fq7b)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Left here believed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion book was an actual real thing. I'm continually puzzled by Jews who vote Democrat and are pro-Israel.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: People's Front Of Judea at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (S2NsL)
My first crush was on an Irish girl.
Heh, I was one of the few non-Irish at my Irish parochial school. She was beautiful.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:13 PM (Uf4aV)
Is is still genocide if you just kill all the males?
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 04:14 PM (dQdrY)
Was the attack on the USS Liberty an "accident?" I don't know, I wasn't there. I wasn't even born yet. But some members of the LBJ administration believed it to have been intentional, and most of the American servicemen aboard the USS Liberty who survived believed it was intentional.
And I have an acquaintance who is in the IDF reserve who also believes it was intentional, although he also believes it was "justified."
As an "ally," Israel doesn't actually do much for us. They take our money, buy our advanced weapons, spy on us, and allow us to veto resolutions against them at the UN.
What do they do for us? Very little.
I don't "hate" Israel, or wish them ill. And they can do what they want with the Palestinians, for all I care. I just don't want our country to be sucked into their battles. We can't afford it, and they frankly don't deserve it.
"Friends" who spy on you aren't really "friends," whatever their excuse is.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:15 PM (ADbI4)
Has anyone else noticed that there have been notable successful protest movements in the past that have been non-violent, for example: Christianity, India's independence through Ghandi, and American racial de-segregation through King?
How come the Palistinians never try out that non-violent schtick? Hmmmm? How come dat?
Posted by: sherlock at January 06, 2010 04:16 PM (jdXw+)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2010 08:11 PM (89RxY)
Yeah, it was the Poles who saved the day at Vienna.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 04:16 PM (dQdrY)
I am still holding out hope of Israel just getting finally fed up and going Terminator on the Palis. Andi has some sort of vd that has eaten holes in his brain. Or its the dope. But mostly the vd, I think. Wait, it could be the HIV drugs. Shit, so many choices.
Posted by: di butler at January 06, 2010 06:55 PM (S3xX1)
A discussion of the appropriate way to bring about a final solution to the muslim/Pali problem is long overdue. And for clarity, I'm quite willing to endorse the irradication of the Palis should there ever be a cost effective way to do so. The world would be a better place.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 07:38 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:16 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:16 PM (gofDd)
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Posted by: torabora at January 06, 2010 04:16 PM (P2h1X)
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 04:17 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: GeoSTI at January 06, 2010 04:17 PM (chyhr)
Posted by: loppyd at January 06, 2010 04:17 PM (UJIeT)
Speaking of whining...
remember a few years one of our friend-bloggers figured out Reuters or AP were running the same photo of the woman with the bullet but were altering the background? Ace posted about it.
The Palestinians are so full of shit. While they're lobbing missiles at Isreali settlements, they're crying about being refugees and being treated badly by the Israeli 'occupiers'.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:17 PM (Uf4aV)
While we are talking about nice Palestinians and Biblical references can I talk about the sweetest, nicest old man that I ever knew that was a former S.S. man and likely a Nazi War criminal?
He was Croatian SS, had the tattoo and had an awesome Luger and Nazi dagger collection, and really was the nicest old many I have ever met. It wasn't until many years after he died that I put two and two together and realized who he was, and likely what he did, before he found his way to America. He really hated Communists too.
My point is that we all come come up with a happy and benign face of evil story. That doesn't make the evil non-existent.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 06, 2010 04:18 PM (F09Uo)
I am still holding out hope of Israel just getting finally fed up and going Terminator on the Palis.
Posted by: di butler at January 06, 2010 06:55 PM (S3xX1)
A discussion of the appropriate way to bring about a final solution to the muslim/Pali problem is long overdue. And for clarity, I'm quite willing to endorse the irradication of the Palis should there ever be a cost effective way to do so. The world would be a better place.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 07:38 PM (4nbyM)Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:18 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Sister Betril at January 06, 2010 04:19 PM (QECjC)
The Palestinians will not make peace with Israel until they come to that admission of being defeated. Japan admitted defeated only after we nuked a couple of their cities and burned most of the rest to ashes with vast amounts of napalm dropped by 1000-plane B29 raids. Germany admitted defeat when Allied (Soviet, American, British, etc) troops occupied Berlin and most of Germany after destroying most of the German armed forces. To date the Palestinians, homicidal bastards that they are, have been defeated only in relatively minor skirmishes; their allies in the US keep pulling them back from total victory for fear of offending our oil suppliers in Saudi Arabia. It is the Saudis, not the Joos, who really pull the strings of much of our foreign policy in that part of the world, at the expense of America doing what America has always done best, which is stand up for our fellow democracies. And if self-righteous a-holes like Christoph can't understand any of this, they can go pound themselves in the arse with a mace. Sideways.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 04:19 PM (b1tq2)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 07:43 PM (gofDd)
I imagine Charles Martel fighting at the gates of Vienna would say, "WTF am I doing in Vienna 800 years after I died? "
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 04:19 PM (ccEuN)
213 I don't have the time to debate this fully tonight, but I have to say that it pains me to see conservatives so desperate to make excuses for a foreign country that contantly spies on us, HARVESTS THE ORGANS OF KILLED CIVILIANS ,and once killed 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian, and injured 171 other Americans who were aboard a US Navy research ship in international waters.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 08:15 PM (ADbI4)
And put's childrens blood in their matzos. Got it.
If I ever meet you, cocksucker, I'll leave you where I find you.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 04:20 PM (9t7zt)
Given the historical context, the biblical genocides were pretty justifiable in my view. The worshipers of baal, for example, sacrificed infants on what amounted to a big griddle - they didn't even get a quick death, but rather roasted slowly. A culture of child murderers is best exterminated, to cleanse the earth of its toxic presence.
So, too, with the Palis in the M.E. The rates of child abuse and child murder are horrific - beyond any other known culture. A small nugget from a relevant article:
The physical battering of both girls and boys from birth for small misdemeanors is widespread throughout Muslim societies... A typical report of Islamic cultures says, "A large number of children face some form of physical abuse, from infanticide and abandonment of babies, to beating, shaking, burning, cutting, poisoning, holding underwater or giving drugs or alcohol, or violent acts like punching, kicking, biting, choking, beating, shooting, or stabbing." Islamic schools regularly practice severe corporal punishment. "Honor killings" of girls who are blamed for their own and others' sexual abuse are said to be widespread in Palestine. All this routine child abuse is said by most academic scholars to have no effect upon the adults in the society.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/yfwlasf
Again, the world would be better off without them.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 04:20 PM (4nbyM)
Wanna hear some truly horrifying statistics? In Egypt, 96 percent of married women have had their clitoris cut off. About 70 percent of young girls expect to have it done to them.
That means when you see photos of hot young Egyptian women, the chances are they've been mutilated and can't enjoy sex, ever.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:20 PM (cVJwC)
216: I retract my previous statement then. I do, however, still object to your generalization and misreading of statements.
Posted by: GeoSTI at January 06, 2010 04:20 PM (chyhr)
Nor does Sullivan.
Actually, this may wind up being the insult of the decade.
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 06, 2010 04:21 PM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 04:21 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: Sister Betril at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (QECjC)
Just as long, of course, that we use only the Obama Brownshirt Army as an attack force.
Think how perfect it would be. 250,000 libs with plenty of indoctrination in boot camp, but not much in the way that got them actually dirty. Load them up with battle rattle and send them off to stand between the Israelis and the Muzz. Obama wants his Brownshirts to be equipted as well as the Army, so we wouldn't have to send any regular supports.
Come on Lib. Put your money where your pie hole is. Hell, at 63 I'd join the IDF just to get in with the fun. Think they would want an old squid GM?
Posted by: trainer at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (yCWYQ)
I understand all of it. As my comments would make clear if you actually read them without pre-conceived notions.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (0fq7b)
Read this:
http://tinyurl.com/yj6mg7j
You can threaten me with violence all you want, but facts are facts.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (ADbI4)
And it's their 'brothers' in the Ummah that are also hanging the palis out to dry, by using them as human shields and deliberately trying to provoke Israel into response to kill more of those palis to get money from various sources to continue their 'jihad' and line the pockets of fuckers like the late goatfucker Arafat.
You want to complain about somebody? Complain about the actual proponents of genocide, the Muslim mideast, and their treatment of 'their own' as cannon fodder to benefit them.
Posted by: nickless at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (MMC8r)
That is exactly the point I made in the first comment on this thread.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:22 PM (0fq7b)
Got any proof of the UK or Canada actively spying on the United States?
If you do, then maybe you have a point.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:23 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 04:23 PM (C8Pcc)
I'd entertain any objections to the actions of the state of Israel mentioned so far if there was a Temple on the Mount.
There is not.
As to people endorsing the eradication of the Palestinians. I wholeheartedly do so. There is no way I can tolerate their foundational belief system to exist.
Those who can't accept the concepts of humanity do not deserve to be treated humanely.
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 04:24 PM (JzemV)
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 08:20 PM (4nbyM)
you made the argument better then me, I was super angry w/ that pot shot which was preceded by sympathizing w/ jew killers
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:24 PM (MxqA5)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 08:19 PM (b1tq2)
Sans lubrication. 
Posted by: LGoPs at January 06, 2010 04:24 PM (tm/sN)
Moral equivalence bullshit.
The Palis have a 100% effective solution to the issue of Israelis killing them:
Every time the Palis have stopped shooting at Jews, the Jews have stopped shooting at them. They possess the key to the cage they have locked themselves into ... all they have to do to put it in the lock and turn it is to stop trying to kill all the Jews.
Pretty simple, really. Not at all like the Nazi genocide.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:25 PM (kCEOg)
Posted by: andi sullivan at January 06, 2010 04:25 PM (7FgWm)
It was my pleasure paining you. You're far too stupid for me to want on my side. You also think that Israel only buys weapons from us instead of creating it's own weapons, which we buy from them.
You're a genuine idiot. Seriously. You're pained at my support for Israel, but I'm truly embarrassed that you're alive. You can remedy that, though.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:25 PM (cVJwC)
Right on! It's like what I was telling people - what has the Sudentland ever done for us? I don't wish them ill or anything, but we don't want to get involved in their problems. It'll just make Germany mad.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at January 06, 2010 04:26 PM (h60Tu)
Geez, so I got my battles mixed up. Wherever he was, he was fighting Saracens. History class was a few years ago.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:26 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 08:24 PM (JzemV)
You have several commenters openly calling for genocide, and not one is being told to knock it off or be banned and go elsewhere.
Nice political site you got here, Ace.
Christoph, if you have an issue with comments that you feel are inappropriate, feel free to email ace or one of the co-bloggers to let them know the comments are there. Given the volume of comments, (and the fact that we don't police the threads 24/7) some comments get past all of us from time to time.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:26 PM (0fq7b)
Try coming up with a logical reason for a deliberate attack, if you're going to put scare quotes around the word accident.
Otherwise you're in Charlie Sheen "just asking questions"extreme-dipshit territory.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 04:26 PM (q458W)
Posted by: Mike Loads at January 06, 2010 04:27 PM (M97fn)
You might want to read about Islam's final solution to the Atheist problem, when you get a chance.
I ain't going to their ovens quietly.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:28 PM (kCEOg)
Palestinians stop killing (or trying to kill) Israelis. If this happened, there would be peace and Israel would let the Palestinians integrate nicely.
It's really that fucking simple.
The unfortunate side effect is that we wouldn't be able to have American dipshits run over by bulldozers, but... eh... you gotta do what you gotta do.
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 04:28 PM (C8Pcc)
Got any proof of the UK or Canada actively spying on the United States?
If you do, then maybe you have a point.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 08:23 PM (ADbI4)
Canada doesn't have a foreign spy service. Embarrassing but true.
Posted by: Shannow at January 06, 2010 04:28 PM (LJcef)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:26 PM (0fq7b)
you can just leave the site then jackass
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:29 PM (MxqA5)
Posted by: Sister Betril at January 06, 2010 08:19 PM (QECjC)
Frantically trying to find plane tickets to Israel.
Posted by: WisConbowhunter at January 06, 2010 04:29 PM (Fbdn3)
So. You don't dispute that Israel actively spies on us, killed 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian in an attack that most of the survivors felt was intentional, and used to harvest the organs of dead civilians (kinda like Red China)?
Yet you hope that I die because I pointed that out to you?
I'm sorry, but that kind of mindless rage sounds like something a liberal would write.
I point out facts. You can hate me for doing so, but they are still facts.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:29 PM (ADbI4)
You then fluff yourself up as the moral authority of all things "genocide" and then smear the rest of us by the brush of "OMG they're all genocidal maniacs!!!".
BTW - so you've met a Palestinian who didn't want to kill Israelis. Wow, good for you. You get a cookie.
I'd be willing to bet that there are some here who have extended family members who have lost loved ones to Palestinian bombings in Israel. Or they have family members currently in the IDF who are currently and constantly in danger of the same.
Your moral equivalence does not compute.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 04:29 PM (92zkk)
Echelon, the whole point is to circumvent each nation's privacy laws.
There was also the Canadian coin document released earlier this year.
Going further back (pre WWII), I would naturally assume there were spies from the UK and its dominions operating in the country that was considered to be the *most* likely enemy in a naval confrontation.
Posted by: GeoSTI at January 06, 2010 04:30 PM (chyhr)
China harvests the organs of criminals not random people off the street.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:31 PM (gofDd)
You have several commenters openly calling for genocide, and not one is being told to knock it off or be banned and go elsewhere.
Nice political site you got here, Ace.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:26 PM
Drew edited a comment with a warning. Look before typing, it'll get you in less dustups here. If banning commenters who set you off floats your boat, you know where to go
Posted by: kbdabear at January 06, 2010 04:32 PM (7FgWm)
IRAN AIR FLIGHT 655
The US Navy shot down a civilian airliner by mistake killing 300 civilians, a terrible tragedy. If Israel is never to be forgiven for attacking an American vessel, than you have to agree that the US is also evil for blowing up an innocent airliner.
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 04:32 PM (ccEuN)
My wife is the daughter of a christian palestinian who fled Israel in the 60's. As I said: She'd lock and load right next to me on the Israeli side. So go fuck yourself.
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 04:32 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: sherlock at January 06, 2010 04:32 PM (jdXw+)
I am denouncing -- not "smearing" -- those of you who are.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:33 PM (0fq7b)
You don't dispute that Israel actively spies on us, killed 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian in an attack that most of the survivors felt was intentional, and used to harvest the organs of dead civilians (kinda like Red China)?
Ever hear of the War of 1812? The British killed a lot more of us. We aren't at war with them right now.
Most states in the US assume organ donor status by default ... same as a whole lot of other countries.
It looks like the the Ron Paultards have found a new place to get horsewhipped.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:33 PM (kCEOg)
Awesome non sequitur. The Nazi reference wasn't predictable at all.
Just remember: When conservatives attacks all critics of Israel with "Nazi" smears, it's exactly the same thing as when leftists attack conservative critics of 0bama with "racist" smears.
Ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad infinitum.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:33 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at January 06, 2010 04:34 PM (uw+0A)
You're an idiot or can't read. That's exactly the point I made in the first comment on this thread, and in my other comment where I supported your statement.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:34 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 04:34 PM (QECjC)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:33 PM (0fq7b)
you complained about the site, get the fuck out
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 04:34 PM (MxqA5)
Posted by: AoS homegrown RINO at January 06, 2010 04:35 PM (M97fn)
I'm sure you can think one up on your own, if you ponder it hard enough.
Of course, you don't dispute any of the facts I pointed out. That's interesting.
Sigh...
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:35 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 04:36 PM (q458W)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:26 PM (0fq7b)
You pussy.
If this is the O administration floating a trial balloon through Sully, they need a very loud and harsh response.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 04:36 PM (dQdrY)
China harvests the organs of criminals not random people off the street.
- - -
Which makes which country sound worse???
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:37 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:37 PM (gofDd)
You are an anti-semitic asshole, looking for an excuse to be the bigot you are.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:37 PM (kCEOg)
those that advocate for palistinians with the way they are politically and ideologically at this point advocate for the suffering of the palistinian children, emotion and physical harm, not by Israelis but by their political leaders such as arafatand the arab nations that have been using them as a thorn against Israelis for decades,
How can one deny that such leaders have used and abused these children from young ages, stealing their youth to demand their "cause" is ultimate in their lives, other than fulfilling dreams of a peaceful furure along Israel, that their duty is to wipe out jews, this is Their lifes existance and use. shame on you
Posted by: willow at January 06, 2010 04:37 PM (7FgWm)
I am complaining about the commenters, such as yourself, who are supporters of genocide, YRM, not the site itself, which you'll see I've complimented.
It's up to the site owner to decide if comments supporting genocide stand on his site, or if his site will not be allowed to degrade into a hate-filled evil cesspool.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 04:37 PM (0fq7b)
Charles Martel = Chuck Norris of the dark ages
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 04:38 PM (92zkk)
Nice political site you got here,Ace.
You would encourage a nation to sit idle while its' enemies plan and attempt to eradicate its' citizens?
Through actions and through inexhaustible rhetoric, for decades on end the leaders of the 'Palestinian People' have threatened the population of Israel. Called for the global eradication of the Jewish people.
Sacrificed the children of their citizens to this cause.
Hidden their fighters and weapons behind their women and children.
Entered into treaty after treaty, armistice after armistice, and cease-fire after cease-fire with the sole intention of betraying their word and waging war against innocents.
All the while, holding the free world accountable for the misery they, themselves, impose upon their citizens.
I guess the Palis are just misunderstood? Maybe we need to appeal to the oderates among them?
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 04:38 PM (JzemV)
http://tinyurl.com/yj6mg7j
You can threaten me with violence all you want, but facts are facts.
You didn't read your own article. That CNN piece said that Israeli hospitals harvested organs from Israelis without permission, and it was a practice that stopped years ago. It's called "presumed consent."
Guess what, genius? Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Norway, Sweden and other European nations use it, too.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:38 PM (cVJwC)
You have several commenters openly calling for genocide, and not one is being told to knock it off or be banned and go elsewhere.
Nice political site you got here, Ace.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:26 PM (0fq7b)
Maybe I don't know the rule. However, I seem to remember from the Banhammer post that JOKING about genocide and other unhappy things is the key to banning. Open and frank discussion of a serious topic is another matter, and not necessaryily ban-worthy. Naturally, I can't complain if Ace decides my banning is in order.
Here's my question - do the anti-genocide types have a sound line of moral reasoning to oppose it in the case of the Palis? I have a very clear line of logic to point out why the genocides carried out by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others were wrong. And it wasn't simply because they tried to wipe out a definable subset of folks. It's because those subsets of folks were generally decent people, as opposed to a mob of bloody minded savages. The Jews were damn good German citizens. The Ukranians' were not natural enemies of the Russian people. Etc.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 04:38 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:39 PM (gofDd)
Be sure to whine some more about the sand in your pussy.
It amuses us greatly.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 06, 2010 04:39 PM (kCEOg)
There is another difference. China often kills criminals or dissidents for the express purpose of harvesting their organs. Israel did not. What Israel did was unethical, but comparing what happened there to what still happens in China is completely ludicrous.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 04:39 PM (CnwNI)
You do realize the CIA has stations in countries that think themselves our allies? OK, you probably didn't, which makes you an even bigger idiot...
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 04:40 PM (b1tq2)
Christoph, did you get tired of using AoS to trash Patterico and Jeff Goldstein?
The rest of us did
Posted by: kbdabear at January 06, 2010 04:40 PM (7FgWm)
Facts are now a "conspiracy theory?"
Which facts? The USS Liberty attack, which killed 33 Americans?
No, I just believe the people who were actually there, and not the media. Kinda like during John F. Kerry's campaign in 2004. At least one of his purple hearts was for a self-inflicted wound, according to the people who were there.
Is that a "conspiracy theory," or just taking the word of the people who were actually there, instead of ingesting the propaganda of the mainstream media?
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:42 PM (ADbI4)
Of course, you don't dispute any of the facts I pointed out. That's interesting.
One of your "facts" is a conspiracy theory, for which you have zero proof or logical explanation, just like a 9/11 Truther shit-for-brains.
Your "harvesting organs" scandal proves you can't read.
And if Israel spies on the US, Israel also shares intelligence with the US.
And in any case, none of the above come close to describing the US-Israeli relationship.
0 for 3. Go try out for the Rams.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 04:42 PM (q458W)
No, you obtuse fuck. Calling the attack deliberate without a single shred of proof is a conspiracy theory.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 04:43 PM (q458W)
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 04:43 PM (ccEuN)
Congratulations. You now sound like a typical liberal. Your style of "argument" is the same:
Criticize 0bama = RACIST!!!1!1!
Criticize Israel = NAZI!!!1!1!
Sigh...
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:43 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 04:44 PM (QECjC)
Unfortunately there seems to be some truth to this one. It's been admitted by the guy who ran the project at Abu Kabir forensic institute and confirmed by the Israeli military.
They were apparently harvesting things like corneas and skin from bodies of Israeli soldiers, terrorists, and dead civilians without permission from the families. There's no evidence anybody was actually killed for his organs, but they weren't exactly following commonly accepted protocols for organ donation.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 04:44 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 04:46 PM (QECjC)
RJ is completely ludicrous. Presumed consent is the norm in much of western Europe, but RJ isn't wailing in horror about it. Why? Because he didn't know. He's another moron sucking up boilerplate talking points and spewing them out like a baby upchucking pureed carrots.
"Israel = Red China!"
Well, then so does Spain, Denmark, Germany, Portugal, Norway, and Denmark. Frigging Jews!
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:46 PM (cVJwC)
The definition of "Saracens" is rather slippery, but is usually used in modern times to refer to Arabic pirates that attacked Italy a couple of centuries later. I doubt you'll find it used to refer to the Ummayyads anywhere.
Considering that most people these days only know Muslims as Muslims, I just like throwing out other names for them. Saracens. Moors. Mohammedans. Musselmen. Wiki (yeah I know) acknowledges that Saracen can be used for all Muslims, including non-Arabic ones.
So I just have a BA in History. But my areas of study were the ME, Jewish history and Medieval history.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 04:47 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 04:48 PM (dQdrY)
It's still a deliberate distortion of the truth--the insinuation is that Israel murdered people for their organs.
The Paulbots love this kind of game--say something true that implies something false. Like saying the dollar has lost 95% of its value, implying that Americans are 95% poorer.
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 04:49 PM (vwg/7)
No, I just believe the people who were actually there, and not the media.
You also believe that Israel harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and to prove it you linked to an article that didn't say that.
You're not the sharpest knife in the anti-Israel drawer, are you?
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:49 PM (cVJwC)
They probably do. We spy on our allies as well. Heck, R. James Woolsey admitted it in the Wall St. Journal ten years ago - March 17, 2000.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 04:49 PM (CnwNI)
But, serious question:
If Israel spying on the United States endlessly doesn't upset you...
If Israel killing 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian, and injuring nearly 200 others, on a ship in international waters, doesn't bother you...
If billions of our tax dollars going to build up the military of a foreign country with nuclear weapons doesn't bother you...
...
Then what could Israel possibly do that would bother you enough to, you know, mildly criticize it, like I did in this thread (please re-read post #213)?
Just wondering. Have a good night.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 04:50 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 04:50 PM (QECjC)
Given all the shady double-dealing going on in DC (including the Saudis slipping billions to the right folks) who wouldn't be keeping a close eye on them? Come back when you have something besides Joo-hating boilerplate, RJ.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 04:51 PM (b1tq2)
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 04:51 PM (vwg/7)
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 04:51 PM (ccEuN)
Israel also knew about the 9/11 plot but didn't warn us. Knew about it or planned it -- one of the two, can't remember which.
And Israel also knew about Bill Belichick's spying but never told anyone in the NFL.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 04:51 PM (Uf4aV)
Unfortunately there seems to be some truth to this one. It's been admitted by the guy who ran the project at Abu Kabir forensic institute and confirmed by the Israeli military.
It's called "presumed consent." Most of western Europe does it, and the UK is about to adopt it. No horrible Jewish death-fetish here; it's what leftist countries do.
Time to move on to another smear.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:51 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 08:47 PM (gofDd)
It is indeed fun to draw from the wide array of names for them. Sometimes it helps me to avoid tacking on a profanity. Instead of "F***ing Muslims!" I can instead create emphasis by referring to them as the Mohammedans (my personal favorite).
Now if only I could find a way to make use of the old terms "Fuzzy Wuzzies" or "Hottentots."
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 04:52 PM (4nbyM)
Why shouldn't they spy on us? Seriously. We're allies, not BFFs, for crying out loud.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 04:53 PM (CnwNI)
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 04:54 PM (vwg/7)
There's no evidence anybody was actually killed for his organs, but they weren't exactly following commonly accepted protocols for organ donation.
Let alone the Jewish faith or teachings of the Talmud...
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 04:54 PM (JzemV)
The only way to break the cycle of violence is to have both sides commit genocide on the other.
Look how well it worked for the Cylons and Colonials! Okay, so not so much, but it was a frakking ratings bonanza!
Posted by: Ron D. Moore at January 06, 2010 04:54 PM (Zj8fM)
If she became as mealymouthed, self-pitying, and flouncy as you.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:55 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: random at January 06, 2010 04:56 PM (y4Qwa)
If Israel spying on the United States endlessly doesn't upset you...
If Israel killing 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian, and injuring nearly 200 others, on a ship in international waters, doesn't bother you...
If billions of our tax dollars going to build up the military of a foreign country with nuclear weapons doesn't bother you...
1. America spies on its allies all the time. It's just business.
2. America has also made mistakes. See Iran Air flight 655. 300 civilians killed.
3. More foreign aid goes to Egypt than to Israel.
Just get over your hatred of the Jooos you jackass.
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 04:56 PM (ccEuN)
It's actually a reasonable and defensible practice from a medical perspective, considering the sheer volume of people who need organs and the relatively few who actively consent in the U.S. Not to be too goulish, but it seems insanely selfish to deny someone else something you no longer need.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 04:56 PM (CnwNI)
Actually Slublog, if we were BFFs of the 13 year old girl variety, then the mutual spying would be so intense as to cause international phone lines to burn up. Nobody spies on each other like a group of 13 year old girl BFFs.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 04:56 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 04:56 PM (vwg/7)
Yes, they were. It's called "presumed consent," and it's the commonly accepted protocol for most of western Europe.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 04:57 PM (cVJwC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 04:57 PM (QECjC)
Not unusual.
If Israel killing 33 American servicemen and 1 civilian, and injuring nearly 200 others, on a ship in international waters, doesn't bother you...
No evidence that was deliberate, as might become clear to you any century now.
If billions of our tax dollars going to build up the military of a foreign country with nuclear weapons doesn't bother you...
Is Israel threatening you with those nukes? What are your pants in a knot about anyway - many of those dollars go to buying American equipment.
I see you've dropped your organ-harvesting shock horror scandal, which means there may be hope for you yet - though in my experience conspiracy theorists are pretty dense fucks, so I won't hold my breath.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 04:57 PM (q458W)
If Israel spying on the United States endlessly doesn't upset you...
What sane government would trust the schizophrenic US?
A true goverment's duty is to protect its citizens. Trust, but verify.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 04:58 PM (dQdrY)
OMG, I'm looking at that Pelosi pic down on the blog.
I think I would totally hit that.
I mean, think about it dude, she'd always look surprised.
I am sooooo wasted.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 04:58 PM (Vo2Ef)
These anti-semitic scumbags are only bothered by it when it's Israel. We've spent billions building up the Arab militaries, and these twits say not a peep about it.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 04:58 PM (b1tq2)
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 04:59 PM (vwg/7)
Not to be too goulish, but it seems insanely selfish to deny someone else something you no longer need.
Not to be too rude, there Slublog, but when you are done with your wife tonight - Mind if I commandeer her for a few hours?
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 05:00 PM (JzemV)
Ha. Yup. I just cannot wait until my daughters are teenagers.
Can't. Wait.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:00 PM (CnwNI)
I kinda like the term Oriental, though. It's nice and old fashioned. Never understood why Asians go up in arms about it. I personally hate being called Asian, especially when it's hyphenated with American.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:01 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Ronsonic at January 06, 2010 05:01 PM (XiQgY)
Oh gee. I suppose next you'll be demanding that we beam you a bacon vodka through the cold fusion lines or something.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 05:01 PM (b1tq2)
Actually, he's convinced me. Any day now, the Bolshevik Jews will throw off the mask, bomb US ships for the fun of it, nuke America, and proclaim the new age of the Elders of Zion.
Incidentally, I've been having a bad cold lately. I think those Jewish doctors are behind it.
Posted by: Ken at January 06, 2010 05:02 PM (vwg/7)
Not sure if that was a serious comparison, or just a moron being a moron.
Hard to tell on this blog.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:03 PM (CnwNI)
Excuse me, weren't YOU banned from this site for excessive and relentless Christianity bashing?
I see you're at it again. You work it into every single thread.
Why are you still here? Have you been unbanned? Can I get an answer on this? Because, personally, I find your routine to be tiresome and would be more than happy to see you go away.
I'm mean, for Christ's sake, you're Canadian. Who gives a shit about what you have to say?
Posted by: Warden at January 06, 2010 05:03 PM (QoR4a)
Can't. Wait.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 09:00 PM (CnwNI)"
BEWARE THE ESTROGEN WAVE......
Heh!
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 05:05 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:05 PM (CnwNI)
Here's something I found concerning the USS Liberty. Yes, it's a document from the Jewish Virtual Library so it probably has it's biases, but it makes a pretty good case that the attack on the USS Liberty was an accident. From what you've posted, somebody might think that Israel just decided to attack the USS Liberty out of the blue instead of an unfortunate accident occurring in the midst of the Six Day War. You know, that war in which Israel would probably have been destroyed by the Egyptians and about 5 other armies had they not acted when they did?
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at January 06, 2010 05:05 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:06 PM (QECjC)
That's not true. Seriously. Look it up for yourself. Israel is the #1 recipient of US foreign aid, and has been for decades.
Also, the only reason Egypt is #2 on the list is because of Jimmy Carter's Camp David Accords. The "peace" between Egypt and Israel has been financed by the US taxpayer.
FWIW, I also support cutting off aid to Egypt. I guess that makes me an "Islamophobic neocon."
Sigh...
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 05:07 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:08 PM (QECjC)
As for those of you defending those of you here who actually advocate genocide, you should take a good hard look in the mirror.
You'll like what you see. And that is pathetic.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 05:09 PM (0fq7b)
What's wrong with using the Latin term for East to denote that part of Asia historically populated specifically by people of the Mongloid race?
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 09:06 PM (QECjC)
Err, well, probably not much, but I'd certainly avoid calling them Mongoloids...
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 05:09 PM (4nbyM)
My good sir, you do not understand my reference! If anything, I was placing you in the same category as myself: A man disinterested in the problems of others and an appeaser to a group with an ideological bent toward domination. I, after all, was not a nazi.
I'm thinking when you wrote your little comment about how Israel harvests organs and attacks American ships, you were more than ready to climb up on the cross as some kind of martyr for 'the truth'.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at January 06, 2010 05:09 PM (h60Tu)
The Orient used to sound all romantic and stuff back in the 20s, 30s and 40s. And I still see signs for Oriental markets in heavily Asian neighborhoods. I imagine the term got swept up when identity politics and multi-culti crap was gaining ground. Someone, who probably wasn't Oriental, decided it was racist or whatever and banned it.
Doesn't "the Orient" make you think of Chinese junks floating on the banks of the Yangtze or cherry blossom trees flowering in Tokyo?
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:09 PM (gofDd)
Thank you for pointing this out. And they do it all the time.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 05:10 PM (Vo2Ef)
Well. The US army arrived at the Mittelwerk V-2 factory we found a gold mine of rockets and rocket engines in various stages of construction, which when assembled comprised 100 V-2 rockets. The area was slated to go to the Brits, and per agreement the US was supposed to leave all that stuff there.
Of course we didn't turn the area over to our allies until after everything was safely boxed up and transported to US soil. The Brits were able to piece together enough spare parts to get a rocket working eventually, but
between the parts and the scientists we took they were almost ten years behind us by the time the dust settled.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:10 PM (XIXhw)
Maybe we could put a big maple leaf next to his comments so the other morons know not to waste their time reading them?
That or require him to add "eh" after each sentence.
Hi, I'm Christoph, eh. And I'm super duper obsessed, eh, with that bible you like to read, eh. I will find a way to turn every thread into a debate about Christianity, eh. Because it's all about me and my big pet cause, eh.
Posted by: Warden at January 06, 2010 05:11 PM (QoR4a)
So you support screwing over all our allies, but spend all your time railing about The Jooos. Got it.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 05:11 PM (b1tq2)
ALL nations spy on one another. ALL of them. Except maybe Guatemala and Nepal.
Grow the F up.
Also--Sully and his reverse socks show all the intellectual depth of a wet sponge.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:11 PM (+SVrL)
Maybe. It doesn't make me think of vampires though, thankfully.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at January 06, 2010 05:12 PM (otlXg)
This asswipe sullivan is the 'topic' of the evening? C'mon, that sucks. Bring on the ONT already.
Posted by: Dang Straights at January 06, 2010 05:12 PM (dhMEL)
363 If I was banned on a thread where I took the anti-genocide position, I must admit that wouldn't damage my self-esteem any.
You've already been banned. Did ace let you back in or are you being a rude little prick by showing up where you're not wanted?
Posted by: Warden at January 06, 2010 05:13 PM (QoR4a)
+1000
Posted by: Beto at January 06, 2010 05:13 PM (+CLh/)
Posted by: The chicken at January 06, 2010 05:13 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: Dale in San Antonio(Not Dave!) at January 06, 2010 05:13 PM (0ihy/)
Please don't ban me, Ace.
[That is 100% the kind of useless gay-baiting, unfunny bullshit that ace doesn't want on here. And if ace were around, I'm pretty sure you'd be gone -TB]
Posted by: G$ at January 06, 2010 05:14 PM (nEatY)
You'll like what you see. And that is pathetic.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 09:09 PM (0fq7b)
For all your posts, I've yet to see one that offers a logical reason to avoid that admittedly extreme and regrettable necessity. Islam is perpetually at war with every non-muslim group that is around it. As we speak the Iraqis are working to exterminate or expell the Christians in their land - and those are the muslims we've pacified! I live in southern Michigan, and it's becoming ever more widely known that the muslims in places like Dearborn are creating no-go zones. The war is on its way here.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 05:16 PM (4nbyM)
Err, you realize that Andi and his pals supposedly supported the Afghan war while they were calling people that supported the Iraq war Chickenhawks. So, yeah, I don't think they really have an issue with 'sending other people to fight their war'...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 06, 2010 05:16 PM (bgcml)
Until 2004, that is. Iraq took the top spot then. The amount of aid we give to Israel and Egypt has been declining in recent years, with aid to South Asia and Africa increasing.
There are also a number of different types of foreign aid: economic, development, humanitarian, bilateral, military to name a few. Israel gets quite a bit of military aid, and spends about 75% of it buying weapons from US companies.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:16 PM (CnwNI)
If he wants to go fight Israel, do it himslef.
Leave it do some drugged up foreigner to come and try to get us in another war.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2010 05:17 PM (tE8FB)
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:41 PM (0fq7b)
Go douche the sand out of your mangina dude. Seriously.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for this Administration at January 06, 2010 05:17 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 05:17 PM (ghGK6)
American conservatives in 2010 strongly support a foreign county (Israel) that actively spies on the United States.
They are eager to accept the "explanations" of that foreign country for killing 34 Americans and injuring another 171 in an attack on a research vessel in international waters that the American servicemen WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE believe was deliberate.
They have no problem with that foreign country harvesting the organs of dead civilians without their permission.
They have no problem sending billions of their tax dollars to fund the military of a country that already has atomic weapons and is not in any serious danger of being invaded, despite a 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit.
In fact, they denounce any and all critics of this foreign country as "anti-Semitic Nazi idiots who need to die."
Does that about sum it up?
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 05:18 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:18 PM (QECjC)
I don't believe "presumed consent" is a feature of Israeli law. In any event the residents of Gaza and the West Bank aren't Israelis. I'm sympathetic to the "presumed consent" angle when it comes to Israeli soldiers if that's the legal environment (like I said, I don't think that's true). But they really don't have any business parting out Palestinians without getting permission from the families, any more than we should be doing the same with Iraqis.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:20 PM (XIXhw)
It does, actually. Your comment has convinced me that you're not one to be taken seriously.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:21 PM (CnwNI)
Does that about sum it up?
Yes.
You bore me child.
Next.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:22 PM (+SVrL)
Whithout a doubt the most evil, pro-genocide, murderous, anti-human, and quite frankly Nazi-like folk I've ever met are the wacky lefties who would prefer anyone outside their clique be dead, dead, fucking dead.
Problem is, these lazy bastards wouldn't have any slaves to clean up the mess.
Posted by: Beto at January 06, 2010 05:22 PM (+CLh/)
Excellent rebuttal. You clearly have a strong grasp of the relevant facts. You are obviously a master-debater.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 05:22 PM (ADbI4)
ALL nations spy on one another. ALL of them. Except maybe Guatemala and Nepal.
This is not true, we know about their battalion of sherpas poised to attack our eastern border. We have responded by poisoning the shipment of bananas they are set to receive.
Posted by: El servicio de información de guatemalteco at January 06, 2010 05:22 PM (Fbdn3)
Posted by: The chicken at January 06, 2010 05:23 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 05:23 PM (SUYSs)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 09:01 PM (gofDd)
Originally, the Orient is the the near/middle East, not the Far East. And Europe would then be the Occident. As European geography expanded though in the age of discovery, so did the area corresponding to the Orient...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 06, 2010 05:23 PM (bgcml)
They've been projecting on the right for so long it's turned into pure comedy.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for this Administration at January 06, 2010 05:23 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 06, 2010 05:24 PM (FNQx5)
Posted by: The chicken at January 06, 2010 05:24 PM (Vo2Ef)
Yes, along with form-fitting silk dresses, fireworks, and massages that leave parts of me all tingly.
"Asian" makes me think Calcutta and two-front wars.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:24 PM (XIXhw)
Just plain hypocrisy, considering nobody bitches about Obama's own Occidental College.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 05:25 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 09:18 PM (QECjC)
Sorry CC - meant that as a joke, given that Mongoloid has had a fairly negative connotation, being associated with an unfortunate health condition.
Doesn't "the Orient" make you think of Chinese junks floating on the banks of the Yangtze or cherry blossom trees flowering in Tokyo?
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 09:09 PM (gofDd)
Well yes, but it also makes me remember my great-uncle's stories about all the bodies of little girls floating down the river in China when he was there in the 40's. It's certainly a land of contrasts. If only China had remained under European and American control, and thus become more Westernized, it would be an immensely better place.
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 05:26 PM (4nbyM)
"Moops" is my personal favorite.
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 05:26 PM (SUYSs)
Insult me all you wish, RJ. Those who have wasted time responding to you have made perfectly salient points about the relationship between nation-states, foreign aid and the incident in which American servicemen were killed and yet you have done nothing but repeat the same tired arguments over and over again. Since you seem to have such a limited definition of what constitutes "debate," you'll have to pardon me if I don't take your childish taunts all that seriously.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:26 PM (CnwNI)
Unless you are Jewish, you are not welcome to become a citizen of Israel.
That's right. You aren't welcome there. Well, maybe as a tourist. But not as a citizen.
They may appreciate your endless pro-Israel propaganda, but they don't actually want you living next to them. You aren't their kind of people.
Look it up if your don't believe me. And have a good night.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 05:27 PM (ADbI4)
That seems like a perfectly reasonable policy to me.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:29 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: The kosher chicken at January 06, 2010 05:29 PM (Vo2Ef)
Moose humpers!
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for this Administration at January 06, 2010 05:30 PM (erIg9)
Oh, and Kyoto is supposed to be the place to go for cherry blossoms.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:30 PM (XIXhw)
Not anymore. They aren't environmentally friendly.
Posted by: Al Gore at January 06, 2010 05:31 PM (Vo2Ef)
Wow, the levels of ignorance just go above and beyond here. The whole point of establishing a Jewish state was for somewhere for the Jews to go because of the anti-Semitic violence running through Europe at the time. (Russian pales mean anything to you? And I don't mean their pasty whiteness. Presumably "beyond the pale" as has been used here, refers to going beyond even where the Jews were forced to live in Russia. But I digress.) And the land of Israel was only one of the many places considered to create such a nation.
Israel was created as an escape from violence and hatred for the Jews. Historically they are one of the most persecuted people all over the world. Everyone hates the Jews. The Law of Return was established for that very reason.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:32 PM (gofDd)
Kinda of like Saudis...who don't denigrate women, don't outlaw bibles and churches and hold meaningful elections and stuff ) even to the point of having Arab reps in Knesset).
So your pathetic attempt to paint them as horrible xenophobes is lame.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:32 PM (+SVrL)
That's right. You aren't welcome there. Well, maybe as a tourist. But not as a citizen.
Hahaha. That's rich.
So you don't agree with the concept of national sovereignty?
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 05:32 PM (CnwNI)
I'm not welcome to become a citizen of New Zealand either. I'd still support them against the Palestinians.
Did you have any real point?
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 05:32 PM (dQdrY)
American conservatives in 2010 strongly support a foreign county (Israel) that actively spies on the United States.
There are no permanent allies, only permanent interests. We probably spy on Israel too, and such will always be the case between nations. Are you suggesting they spy on us to pass it on to our enemies?
They are eager to accept the "explanations" of that foreign country for killing 34 Americans and injuring another 171 in an attack on a research vessel in international waters that the American servicemen WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE believe was deliberate.
Because the people on the USS Liberty had intercepted all the transmissions because the Israelis and knew immediately that it was deliberate and not being an unfortunate consequence of being, I don't know, in a warzone?
They have no problem with that foreign country harvesting the organs of dead civilians without their permission.
Already answered.
They have no problem sending billions of their tax dollars to fund the military of a country that already has atomic weapons and is not in any serious danger of being invaded, despite a 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit.
I didn't know our budget deficit was solely due to foreign aid to Israel. Oh wait...
In fact, they denounce any and all critics of this foreign country as "anti-Semitic Nazi idiots who need to die."
Whatever, dude. Don't bitch and complain when people call you out on your rote regurgitation of stale anti-Israel talking points.
Does that about sum it up?
This will sum it up - stop fucking that chicken, RJ.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at January 06, 2010 05:33 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:34 PM (gofDd)
Thank you! At least somebody else is saying it.
Posted by: The chicken at January 06, 2010 05:34 PM (Vo2Ef)
It only takes you about 12 months to snap and call out a female on this board. Do you have mom issues or something?
Nutcase.
Posted by: DCox at January 06, 2010 05:34 PM (jzNfC)
I remember when I wasn't welcome to be a patron of the Carousel Lounge anymore
sniff, it still hurts....
Posted by: Beto at January 06, 2010 05:35 PM (+CLh/)
Palin Steele, is that you? That's the second time you said "have a good night" and you didn't leave.
If that is you, P(m)S, please entertain us with a Captain America/Punisher analogy.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at January 06, 2010 05:36 PM (otlXg)
That's right. You aren't welcome there. Well, maybe as a tourist. But not as a citizen.
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 09:27 PM (ADbI4)
It's their country. Avoiding racial balkanization is not an entirely bad idea, after all. I'm really not that saddened.
I'm not going to pretend the Israelis are a bunch of angels. But they are the best thing BY FAR that can be found in the M.E. They have a functioning democratic system. They don't sponsor terrorism. They're smart. They buy lots of our stuff. They hate most of the same people we hate. And they fight well, against people that need a good killing.
Well, time to exercise and hit the sack. A good evening to all right thinking morons!
Posted by: Reactionary at January 06, 2010 05:36 PM (4nbyM)
They are eager to accept the "explanations" of that foreign country for killing 34 Americans and injuring another 171 in an attack on a research vessel in international waters that the American servicemen WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE believe was deliberate.
They have no problem with that foreign country harvesting the organs of dead civilians without their permission.
They have no problem sending billions of their tax dollars to fund the military of a country that already has atomic weapons and is not in any serious danger of being invaded, despite a 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit.
In fact, they denounce any and all critics of this foreign country as "anti-Semitic Nazi idiots who need to die."
Does that about sum it up?
Posted by: RJ at January 06, 2010 09:18 PM (ADbI4)
As opposed to supporting the Muslims, who want to behead all of us if we do not become Muslims? But hey, you're halfway there - Obama seems to care more for the "feelings" of those who have stated that their aim is to bring death to us, "The Great Satan", than he does our actual democratic ally in the ME, Israel.
Your arguments are ridiculous, sir. You advocate that we treat Israel as an enemy? I thought Quaaludes were out of production.....
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 05:37 PM (92zkk)
Horse...shit...as in, I personally know survivors and direct descendents who are, in fact, Israeli. Peddle the crap elsewhere, please.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:37 PM (+SVrL)
Posted by: vai2112 at January 06, 2010 05:37 PM (4ucyN)
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 05:39 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:39 PM (QECjC)
Um, I was told this by an Israeli professor who was pro-Israel. It may be later on they allowed survivors to come in, but she said the general attitude was that the Jews living in the yet to become Israel looked down on Holocaust survivors because they went willingly to their slaughter. I'm just repeating what she said. If you want her name and all that I can give it to you. She works with a well known Holocaust survivor who is also a professor.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:40 PM (gofDd)
You haven't presented one. Not one. All you've presented are assertions.
Here's a hint, shitbrick. You saying that servicemen present on the USS Liberty thought the attack was deliberate does not in fact make it a deliberate attack. You coming up with cast-iron verified quotes from servicemen present on the USS Liberty who the attack was deliberate does not in fact make it a deliberate attack. You would have to come up with a very convincing case why they think it was deliberate. You would then have to come up with a very convincing case why Israel would in fact choose to attack the Liberty. When I challenged you on this point before, you told me I should think of my own reason. That's not a very convincing fact you presented, and only makes me think you're talking out of your ass, like the clueless deranged illogical shrieking dumbfuck conspiracy theorist pile of shit you are.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 05:41 PM (q458W)
Look, I know a lot of Israelis are survivors of the Holocaust. But at the beginning, before the official beginning of Israel (194
there was that attitude. So maybe they weren't turned away, but they were looked down on.Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:42 PM (gofDd)
To include persons such as Christoph.
In the first instance we are simply a superior civilisation and culture and we should never allow them to take out their infantile rage upon innocents for imaginary offenses, period. Take them to the woodshed, the same as we'd do to a brat child throwing a tantrum.
In the second instance - which is newer for me - I want folks such as Christoph punished so as to stomp out the po-mo idiocy that is killing us.
This new bit is only slightly worrying to me.
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at January 06, 2010 05:43 PM (hCQG5)
Hey, OT, morons, but I need a little help.
Anyone know where I can get some crap? I need to find someone who peddles the stuff, quick. Tanks!
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 05:45 PM (Uf4aV)
Russia was forgiven for blowing up a Korean airliner full of civilians. America was forgiven for shooting down an Iranian airliner full of civilians. Israel will never be forgiven for attacking the USS Liberty. Okay.
America can spy on every country including allies and that's okay. Israel spies on America, and that's just wrong. I wonder what the difference is.
Russia, a nuclear power because that seems important to you, recieved billions of dollars in aid from America in the 90's, as did Pakistan, also nuclear armed. As soon as Israel gets money, you start bitching. Why is that?
Posted by: fozzy at January 06, 2010 05:45 PM (ccEuN)
As a result of these different understandings of the Jewish state, many sabras and immigrants who had lived in Eretz Yisrael for some time were not accepting of the survivors, especially as a group, even though Holocaust survivors were precisely the people many supporters of Zionism had in mind when calling for the formation of the Jewish state. The sabras and long-time immigrants' reluctance to accept the survivors stemmed from the belief that the Holocaust proved that Jews could not survive outside of Eretz Yisrael.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:46 PM (gofDd)
What was Reynolds book?
An Army of Davids: How Markets and Technology Empower Ordinary People to Beat Big Media, Big Government, and Other Goliaths?
Hows about, An Army of Bozos: How Blogs and Technology Empower Imbecilic People to Beat Their Keyboards, Bug The Intelligent, and Other Horseshit
Posted by: Beto at January 06, 2010 05:46 PM (+CLh/)
Unless you are Jewish, you are not welcome to become a citizen of Israel.
So what? Is that supposed to make me shout "An outrage, sir! I protest!"
Most Israelis are socialists. Who cares? I still love them and support them 100 percent. It's driving you insane, isn't it? Good. Go out in the garage, put your head in the vise, and start turning the handle until you hear a loud crack.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 05:47 PM (cVJwC)
When a civilization is threatened by a murderous and suicidal cult, sometimes eradication is the only way for civilization to survive. Or at least such a beat-down that the cultists renounce their cultism.
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 05:47 PM (SUYSs)
See?!? THE JOOS CONTROL THE U.S. MILITARY!
Posted by: Xoxotl (stewing in Andi's cerebral juices) at January 06, 2010 05:49 PM (zWkFO)
I can't tell if you're insulting me or not.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:49 PM (gofDd)
Weeeeellll, there were a few years between the end of the war and the creation of the state of Israel. The Brits ran the territory back then, and they were definitely trying to keep Jews from Europe out. Is that what you're remembering?
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 06, 2010 05:50 PM (XIXhw)
See comment at 349. That was what I was remembering. I just didn't articulate it well. That class I took was 6 years ago so I'm not going to remember details very accurately.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:51 PM (gofDd)
I can't tell if you're insulting me or not.
I think he is insulting your prof, Rum.
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 05:51 PM (SUYSs)
Citing a book that finds that first generation immigrants and the host society have friction (wow--water is wet, fire is hot and Maxine Waters is dumb as a post, too) is not the same as "turning away Holocaust survivors." Sorry.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:52 PM (+SVrL)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 06, 2010 05:52 PM (q458W)
Anti-Semites will always find a reason to hate Israel, because they hate Israel first. Everything else is just an excuse.
For the Lefties that call Gitmo a recruitment tool, they are either being stupid or dishonest. Muslims will just use it as an excuse to justify their existing hatreds.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 05:52 PM (Vo2Ef)
351 Not to be too rude, there Slublog, but when you are done with your wife tonight - Mind if I commandeer her for a few hours?
Not sure if that was a serious comparison, or just a moron being a moron.
It was a tongue in cheek comparison.
It does apply as you are relying on a distinction between living and dead bodies.
As such, a living body = meat+soul. (A married couple is a sufficiently analagous example.)
In your argument you implied tacit consent is acceptible once death occurs. I tend to think of tacit consent as a tool for the State to encroach on Personal Liberty.
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 05:53 PM (JzemV)
Well, Iran doesn't take our money...so, you know....
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 05:54 PM (+SVrL)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 05:54 PM (gofDd)
Absolutely. bin Laden always cites the Crusades as motivation. I don't think closing Gitmo will make him feel all warm and fuzzy.
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 05:56 PM (SUYSs)
You may be thinking about the British, who refused entry to Holocaust survivors. Beginning in 1949 the Jewish state embarked on a three-year crash program to find and bring to Israel as many Holocaust survivors as possible.
And on the 60th anniversary of the founding of Israel, the government saluted its founders, "Holocaust survivors and illegal immigrants."
Israel never had a policy of turning away Holocaust survivors as "sheep who willingly went to slaughter." Even if your Israeli prof said so, it's not true. There are plenty of anti-Israeli Israelis who say amazingly deranged things about the country. For some reason the mere existence of Israel has driven millions or even billions of people stark raving mad.
Posted by: Eye-rish at January 06, 2010 05:56 PM (cVJwC)
Well, it's plenty funny as long as you don't buy into the true bullshit that being gay is like being black, or being disabled.
[No, not funny regardless of your take on gays. Please reference one of ace's multiple posts on people who think they can bring teh funnay, but can't. Because I've got news for you, champ - you ain't funny. But if you insist on an open mic night tryout, go ahead and suck on the banhammer. No skin off my nose- TB]
You gotta admit, though: The image of Andee and his big muscle glutes dropping into Tel Aviv thinking he's going to teach the IDF a lesson is pretty goddam funny.
Posted by: G$ at January 06, 2010 05:57 PM (nEatY)
Many of those were rooted out over the years, but a small handful made their way into fairly high station. Some speculate that the (erroneous) intelligence idea of "the concept" many in the government were buying into (preceding the 74' war) might have been birthed and sold by Soviet plants. The theory isn't completely outlandish, since the Soviets were staged and ready to push Egypt over the top for a win. Had Nixon not threatened the Soviets with a nuclear war, the whole scheme might have worked.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2010 05:57 PM (xskrY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:57 PM (QECjC)
Look, the point is Israel is evil. They even hate their fellow jooos!
Stop mitpicking.
Now let's hear more from this fellow RJ...
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 05:57 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: cheshirecat at January 06, 2010 05:58 PM (7ApWw)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 06, 2010 05:59 PM (QECjC)
Posted by: G$ at January 06, 2010 09:57 PM (nEatY)
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for this Administration at January 06, 2010 05:59 PM (erIg9)
You're in Moronville, bwana. If you want no accountability go over to HuffPo and peddle or, perhaps, pedal.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 06:00 PM (+SVrL)
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:00 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:02 PM (ghGK6)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 06, 2010 06:03 PM (+17Rv)
Oh, so you assume, based on ONE comment I make that makes me automatically anti-Israel or anti-Semitic? Is that what you're saying? Have you read ANYTHING else I've said on this thread? As you can see above, Eye-rish corrected me on what it was my professor was trying to tell us in that class I took SIX YEARS AGO. And I stood corrected. But I wasn't entirely wrong that the attitude of the people already in Israel and the incoming survivors wasn't all ice cream and rainbows. So "turn away" was incorrect. I got it. Fine. Whatever. I get it. Why are you all but implying I'm anti-Semitic? Go head. Say it to my face.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Drunken Overnight Thread Moron Who's A Little Confused at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (MMC8r)
That's something that mystifies me, too. American Jews support the Democrats, and what does it get them? Jew-baiting by Al Sharpton, economic ruin, and a foreign policy that coddles Muslim murderers.
For some reason, American Jews seem convinced that the real threat is SCARY CHRISTIANS! That All of America outside Manhattan, the Catskills, and Los Angeles is a mass of seething Klansmen.
I know some of this is leftover KGB propaganda (Socialism fell on very fertile soil among immigrant Jews after World War I), but it's been twenty years since the Soviet Union collapsed -- you'd think someone would have seen through it by now!
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (GQhsP)
Ahhh, Rum, it's for the best. After all, the kittehs would suck out your soul, and then you would freeze into a lovely Oriental icicle on the way from the house to the car in our lovely winter weather.
That, and in the current economy I couldn't swing the high-end jewelry you crave; you'd have to settle for Iowa Diamond like Mrs. Five did. Posted by: Hatchet Five at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (b1tq2)
Just to remind us, he should call himself "zombie Christoph".
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (Vo2Ef)
You post something stupid...
Chill, brah.
You can make challenge someone's innocent mistake and still be kinda nice.
hahaha, I'm one to talk, since I think you're all a bunch of pussies & dummies...but still, it's different with me because I say it out of love and I want to teach people stuff.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 06:04 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: Dale in San Antonio(Not Dave!) at January 06, 2010 06:05 PM (0ihy/)
That should be "a historian."
Yes, wherestherum, NOW I am being an asshole.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 06:05 PM (+SVrL)
I only say that because philosophically, I tend toward utilitarianism. Just a bit. It's my belief in a soul that makes me more utilitarian on this particular issue. If the soul is what makes us who and what we are, then the meat we leave behind is essentially meaningless so there's no reason we should assume possession of that vessel once we're dead.
That being said, I don't necessarily think implied consent is completely okay, since our bodies do not belong to the government or the medical community. However, I can see and sympathize with the arguments of those who would like to see more organs available for donation.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 06:06 PM (CnwNI)
The kittehs! I forgot about those. Evil little things. If I didn't have to leave the house, freezing wouldn't be an issue.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 06:06 PM (gofDd)
aww damn girl
wtr went from being teh smart back to being teh smart...
for a girl.
It's okay, pumpkin, you can try again tomorrow.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 06, 2010 06:07 PM (Uf4aV)
She was a former Marine, so I didn't argue with her.
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:07 PM (ghGK6)
Robert Jordan fan/nerd alert.
Shit, I guess that makes me one, too.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 06:08 PM (+SVrL)
Nixon never got much credit for holding the Soviets at bay during that one and buying Israel the time to engineer a win. That ballsy move really reshaped the middle east compelling Sadat to reevaluate his position and the Soviet level of commitment to him. It also resulted in Egypt ultimately falling out of the Soviet sphere of influence and (nominally) into the US's.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2010 06:08 PM (xskrY)
Posted by: RushBabe at January 06, 2010 06:08 PM (LKkE8)
rum, seriously, don't get defensive. We all write things that don't come out the right way.
Except me. I'm perfect.
I think everybody's goal should be to be more like me. And pay me a consulting fee to learn how to do it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 06:09 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: Lone Star Gal at January 06, 2010 06:09 PM (Qe6El)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:10 PM (ghGK6)
Posted by: eman at January 06, 2010 06:10 PM (kwNGE)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:11 PM (ghGK6)
Actually, it was Kissinger and Haig that put the U.S. at Defcon 3 while Nixon slept (Fast forward to now and see if that kind of command and comntrol makes you feel better or worse--discuss--because I sure don't think it's a cut and dried). Sadat did conclude at the end of the war that Egypt would never beat the Israelis with the U.S. backing them and that set the stage for his trip to Jerusalem just over three years later.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 06, 2010 06:12 PM (+SVrL)
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:12 PM (92zkk)
I think they control the ONT secretly. Through the Mossad.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 06:13 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: eman at January 06, 2010 06:14 PM (kwNGE)
That being said, I don't necessarily think implied consent is completely okay, since our bodies do not belong to the government or the medical community. However, I can see and sympathize with the arguments of those who would like to see more organs available for donation.
...because philosophically, I tend toward utilitarianism.
I tend to think that the 'categorical imperative' covers it all quite nicely.
No messy value judgements. Just right and wrong.
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 06:16 PM (JzemV)
Look at my son, the lawyer! He eats everything I cook for him! You should be so lucky! Ptuey, ptuey....
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:17 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:18 PM (ghGK6)
I think a distinction needs to be made between hard orthodox and reformed. My reformed Jewish friends are some of the most "anti-Semitic" people I've ever met. They view the hard orthodox side (such as the Hassid's) as completely nuts and routinely mock their lifestyle and voluntary constraints that lifestyle imposes. They eat bacon, ham, pay the Sabbath only the thinnest of lip service, etc.
My orthodox friends think the reformed ones are mostly suicidal loons who just barely qualify as "jewish".
Its ummmm...interesting when there are events where they mix socially ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2010 06:18 PM (xskrY)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:19 PM (ghGK6)
I was born in Lancaster, PA. Oldest inland city in the US and the heart of Amish country.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2010 06:19 PM (Vo2Ef)
Look at my son, the lawyer! He eats everything I cook for him! You should be so lucky! Ptuey, ptuey....
Asian mothers do the same thing. A Jewish friend of mine and I joke that Asians and Jews are the same people.
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 06:19 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2010 06:19 PM (JzemV)
Oh, great. Now I have to brush up on Kant. Do you know how many years it's been since I've taken philosophy?
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 06:20 PM (CnwNI)
When it was finished, the Egyptian government suddenly realized they had forty million people living in a narrow steep-sided river valley downstream from a giant dam built by drunk Russians. And Israel has the Bomb.
Suddenly, Egypt was ready to make peace with Israel, and that peace has endured for more than thirty years. Because if they go to war, Israel can utterly destroy Egypt with one shot.
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 06:20 PM (GQhsP)
I hang out at AOSHQ. My sense of humor is broad enough to laugh at the Dick Cheney tribute thread. No offense taken at all.
Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2010 06:22 PM (CnwNI)
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:22 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:23 PM (ghGK6)
Posted by: steevy at January 06, 2010 06:27 PM (zY+Ll)
Posted by: cheshirecat at January 06, 2010 06:27 PM (7ApWw)
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 06, 2010 06:27 PM (GQhsP)
I jumped off here when RJ started his Jewish vampire body mutulating shit.
Have I missed anything? Has Rum found her history notes yet?
Posted by: TexasJew at January 06, 2010 06:27 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:28 PM (ghGK6)
Its not the Russians I'd be worried about, it would be the local labor. I'd bet a donut that half the spec'd rebar was removed and sold for scrap the night before big concrete pours, and that the concrete was substandard if supplied locally.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2010 06:28 PM (xskrY)
Posted by: wherestherum at January 06, 2010 06:29 PM (gofDd)
Ever try to turn down food from an Italian grandma? Fuggedaboudit!!
Posted by: the real joe at January 06, 2010 06:30 PM (SUYSs)
I'll spare the interweb thug threats and just say that while yes, your first post did, in essence, say that you wouldn't get the US military to go along with any military action against Israel. However, your implicit support of the idiot muslim palestinians in their moronic jihad and your sidelong defense of them is...
FUCKING STUPID, YOU ASSHOLE!
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 06:32 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:32 PM (ghGK6)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 06:32 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:32 PM (ghGK6)
Yeah, and then regardless of if you've said "yes" or "no", the moms will bring out some honkin' awesome eats. Egads, I miss good/real Thai and Japanese food. I could also hang with a Mongolian barbeque as well.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:33 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:33 PM (ghGK6)
It was great, and my arse-hole still hasn't forgiven me.
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:35 PM (ghGK6)
Let the free market beat the shit out of them until they don't come back
Posted by: tangonine at January 06, 2010 06:36 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 10:33 PM (ghGK6)
Peace favor your sword, GGE.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 06, 2010 06:36 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: YRM at January 06, 2010 06:37 PM (MxqA5)
You might love the spice while you're eating the dish, but about 12 hours later, you hate yourself.
Beer helps.
Posted by: Intrepid at January 06, 2010 06:38 PM (92zkk)
Beer does help.
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at January 06, 2010 06:40 PM (ghGK6)
Posted by: cheshirecat at January 06, 2010 06:46 PM (7ApWw)
We either leave with our tail between our legs (making CNAS and Obama look like fools) or run joint IDF anti-terror operations -- which mean more Hellfire porn and some good training opportunities. I know our guys would prefer the weekend passes to the topless beaches of Tel Aviv more then the ping-pong tables at Bahgram..
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2010 06:46 PM (xCBQ4)
China does not execute people in order to harvest their organs. They execute people who have broken laws that carry the death penalty and harvest the organs of the executed.
As to Israel harvesting organs without permission, a lot of that was goin on right here in the USA. There were scandals all over the place, including right here in Los Angeles County and NYC.
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 06:48 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2010 06:49 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: cheshirecat at January 06, 2010 06:50 PM (7ApWw)
Hmm... maybe. Anyone know? Definitely a foreign pseudo-intellectual with anger issues.
Posted by: Y-not at January 06, 2010 06:53 PM (sey23)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2010 06:55 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: toby928 at January 06, 2010 06:56 PM (PD1tk)
You call for genocide against people, some of whom I know. It's a disgusting, vicious thought, and I'd say you should feel shame, but you're probably incapable of it.
You are an extreme, murderous bitch to write such a thing. To say the least, I and any half decent person disagrees.
To those that don't disagree, see above.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 07:12 PM (0fq7b)
How many chances are to be given to a people to stop acting like fucking savages from the stone age, and join the rest of us in civilization. When one group of sub-human shit keeps sending death and destruction to a neighbor who is not sub human shit, I am reaching the point that I might even agree on dropping a few big bombs to calm them the fuck down. If that makes your pussy hurt, tough shit. Call me all the names you want, crybaby. Half the reason the world is in the state it is now is because the civilized countries that SHOULD be cleaning up some of these despotic bastards are too mire in leftist weakness to do so.
Posted by: The Drizzle at January 06, 2010 06:58 PM (F2Ul9)
"Going Terminator" was vague, and it implied the eradication of everybody.
I can see where "Terminator" would, instead, imply the eradication of specific targets, like the Hamas structure.
Christoph is in agreement with Ace consensus that the Palestinians and Israelis both would be better off with a few hundreds less Palestinians, specifically the assholes in Hamas. So there's not even a fundamental argument here. (It's not like he even mentioned the book of Numbers until several dozen comments.)
But because it was Christoph saying it, and because of the way he said it... it's another Ace Pile-On.
Lesson for Christoph: just ask "uh, what do you mean by that expression" before going immediately on the attack.
Lesson for the commentariat: dude, it's Christoph. He's excitable. And what he says is not going to cost you anything. Relax.
Posted by: Zimriel at January 06, 2010 07:03 PM (1Q8uL)
Posted by: Blue Yankee at January 06, 2010 07:07 PM (eKgqT)
Posted by: moi at January 06, 2010 07:11 PM (7FgWm)
As far as Israel goes, any country that could invent both the Uzi and the Epilady is definitely worth keeping on our side.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 06, 2010 07:12 PM (aC0uO)
Posted by: memomachine at January 06, 2010 07:14 PM (/+tPT)
Posted by: Zimriel at January 06, 2010 07:15 PM (1Q8uL)
Yep. They spend most of their time hiding and avoiding having to recognize any Hizb violations. They're commonly regarded as a joke.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2010 07:24 PM (xskrY)
Posted by: SGT Dan at January 06, 2010 07:50 PM (HZpUJ)
Good lesson. I'll think about that because, conceivably, I could have been wrong about di butler even though it was the expression "Palis" combined with "Terminator" that set me off.
Yet later in the discussion, there were some commenters who then expressly stated they supported genocide of the Palestinians and, in 1 case, Muslims as well.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:12 PM (0fq7b)
Homicide is killing a human. Anyone, for any reason. Most of the time it is bad, but there are reasons which can justify it in particular cases, which is why there are separate legal definitions for murder, manslaughter, and justifiable homicide.
Genocide is killing an entire ethnic group, or at least enough members thereof to significantly reduce the total population. To say genocide is absolutely and invariably evil is really equivalent to saying the following:
There is no possible case, hypothetically or in reality, in which a multiple homicide, whose victims are even incidentally of a common ethnicity, can be ruled justifiable.
And that is not at all difficult to prove to be completely irrational. All that is necessary is to provide an example of one or more mechanisms that would cause a distinct ethnic group to:
a) band together by themselves-- the fact that they are racially homogeneous is then their choice.
b) act belligerently and start a war-- other people have to defend themselves, it is not their problem that the attackers happen to be a whole tribe.
c) exhibit such fanaticism as to deny all reasonable attempts to force surrender without killing everyone. -- putting the most drastic options on the table for the defense.
d) Teach all levels of their society including women and very young children to hold a grudge. -- making anything less than drastic ultimately ineffective.
If A, B, C, and D are not impossible, then it is irrational to say that genocide is in all cases invariably absolutely evil.
It is only evil most of the time, making allowances for the outside chance you run into a fanatically belligerent bunch of tribalists with vendetta issues.
Posted by: George guy at January 06, 2010 08:15 PM (xMlot)
You obviously can't read. Or won't read. Whichever.
There is not one post on this thread where I support the Palestinians in Jihad. I even talked about very blunt pro-Israel conversations I've had with some of the Palestinians I personally know.
I talked about military action against Palestinian terrorists, and willingness to accept large collateral damage if need be.
I talked of the plan of essentially reshaping Palestinian culture by defeating their forces, such as they are, and imposing western (Israeli in this case) will on them, dissuading them from further aggression by the catastrophe of the defeat imposed on them.
All of these things are easily discernible by what I wrote on these threads, to anyone with a 6th grade reading level.
Zimriel managed to get this. tangonine didn't.
Zimriel seems to be well in control of his emotions. I can lose control of my emotions in a moment of passion, but still keep control of my mind and recognize logical points by myself and others.
You and the majority of commenters who bashed me on this thread both lose control of your emotions and then cannot recognize logical points.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 08:23 PM (0fq7b)
His HIV has gone to his mind.
While itÂ’s easy to see why some might be tired of the same old, same old .. this is not a solution.
Frankly, this is taking the old British position prior to the 1948 UN partitioning, with the NATO (read US) playing the part previously done by the British so badly.
Besides, just as “Excitable Andy” grew tired of the Iraq War, he will eventually abandon this position as well.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2010 08:24 PM (tE8FB)
One people offered any assistance and mourned with us on 9-11. The other danced in the streets and handed out candy to children as a celebration.
Gee, think it's hard to choose whose side I'm going to take on this?
Posted by: kbdabear at January 06, 2010 09:01 PM (sYxEE)
What happened to Powers? She is sporting manly lap-breasts and she gestures like a fucking Na'vi trying to communicate.
Posted by: Knaws at January 06, 2010 09:11 PM (tHrW4)
Posted by: He wat doesn't own a TV tuned to network news at January 06, 2010 10:24 PM (2hX6Q)
Posted by: whiskey at January 06, 2010 10:26 PM (L03mw)
Hate to post to a dead thread, but just got back here to see Christoph have a bout of PMS. Risking banning, I must say, Christop, go fuck yourself. If I was calling for the total annihilation of all Palis I would have said "carpet bomb them." Or "nuke it from the moon." However, I didnt. If you would like to send me your e-mail, I will give you accurate directions to my house, and you can call me a murderous bitch to my face. Mkay?
Posted by: di butler at January 07, 2010 12:08 AM (S3xX1)
I doubt you'll read this, but then again, you don't seem to be reading with comprehension anyway. I never said Israel controls the U.S. I said that it puts, to my mind, too much pressure on the U.S. The proof of that is the fact that (1) it can attack a U.S. vessel and kill U.S. sailors with impunity (read the words of the sailors themselves, and tell me what's "unclear" about them), and (2) it can continually, aggressively spy on the U.S. while (3) receiving more $$ from the U.S. than any other country.
Posted by: odys at January 07, 2010 03:59 AM (1ICJZ)
Heh, both you and Eye-rish seemingly can't put together a sentence without resorting to name-calling. Just like kindergarten...
Anyway, if someone were to claim that Hezbollah is U.S.'s greatest ally in the Middle East, you can bet that I would bring up the attack on U.S. marines. In the same fashion, when you say that Israel is an ally, I bring up the fact that it spies on us and is on record as attacking a U.S. vessel - it wasn't just a single stray rocket, either. Israelis attacked USS Liberty repeatedly, with clear intention to sink the ship. Read what the sailors themselves had to say about the attack.
Posted by: odys at January 07, 2010 04:03 AM (1ICJZ)
1. Surprise, surprise, another Irish anti-Semite! (Try going to the West Bank in Western clothes, a very fair complexion, and pretend not to understand English. The Palestinians know the Irish, and probably not from football.)
2. What made anyone ever think Sullivan was a Conservative?
Posted by: Grant at January 07, 2010 04:49 AM (qltgY)
Posted by: Joya at January 07, 2010 04:49 AM (MN+T/)
Watch the Samantha Powers video once with the sound off. Just watch her. What happens to your "Spider Sense"?
Does she look like a mad bomber to anyone else? The hand gestures, the canted neck, that really creepy-psychotic part in her hair. The fearful/flirtatious eye contact.
Then you find out she is married to Cass Sunstein!
Can you say William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn? I think you can.
Posted by: Grant at January 07, 2010 04:58 AM (qltgY)
Your problem is that, for some reason you don't (or more likely can't) explain, you think that defines the entire relationship. Something every nation does and an accidental attack are, to you, the only important incidents to ever occur between Israel and the US.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 07, 2010 05:32 AM (YLnnA)
Getting your talking points from Stormfront is not a good idea. A couple things for you to try and understand: firstly, this ain't Vanguard. Secondly, there were responses to your "talking points" that you chose to ignore, thus making it painfully obvious you neither knew nor cared to know what "really happened".
Christoph:
Emo is really really annoying. And if you were banned, just leave the site. Really. Go to LGF or somewhere that you can whine and emote together.
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 07, 2010 06:14 AM (RdGs9)
I never said that it defines the whole relationship. The question is really this: would Israel be any less of an ally if it simply stopped spying on us? If not, then why do 90% of the people here throw hissy fits and start name-calling whenever Israeli spying is brought up?
Posted by: odys at January 07, 2010 06:26 AM (1ICJZ)
Oh, that would actually clear the Zionists?
Hmmmm....Can we then say it was inside-inside job? Like, the USS LIBeRtY! was in fact a Zionist vessel purchased with USAID! and disguised as a U.S ship using data gained by AIPAC! sponsored Mossad spying, in order to create a false flag bombing event which would distract the World from the real global domination schemes of the Zionist money making machine? Madoff anyone? Wink Wink!
Posted by: Confused Stormfronter at January 07, 2010 06:27 AM (g7x8k)
#31
Brain Cells: You know, we're thinking we should invade Andrew Sullivan's head.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 06, 2010 07:01 PM (tm/sN)
For what purpose?
Posted by: always right at January 07, 2010 06:30 AM (0AClR)
The best defense of Israeli spying that people here seem to be able to come up with is that "everyone does it" or that "Israel should do it if it wants to win". In other words, it's OK to spy on America. If that's your response, then I rest my case.
EOT for me - if all you guys got is that Israel can do no wrong and all who criticize it are Arab-loving nazis, I only wonder what you are still doing in the U.S....
Posted by: odys at January 07, 2010 06:39 AM (1ICJZ)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 07, 2010 06:42 AM (RdGs9)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 07, 2010 06:53 AM (RdGs9)
Heh, OK, one last time: Israel spies on us quite a bit more than any other ally, and also more than most enemies. I obviously don't have the inside knowledge to cite chapter and verse, but I do know that Fox News did an extensive story on this - is Fox News a bunch of nazis as well? I'm not saying we should drop supporting Israel - I'm saying that if they want our help, they should be fair and square with us. If you adopt the stance that another country can do whatever it wants with you because it's an "ally" then sooner or later that country will start taking unfair advantage.
Also, drop the Stormfront shit. I am willing to bet that my family has done more to fight the nazis in Europe during WWII than you and yours could possibly imagine. I don't call you names, extend me the same courtesy.
Posted by: odys at January 07, 2010 06:55 AM (1ICJZ)
Posted by: austin at January 07, 2010 08:55 AM (p6op4)
Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk:
"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation...Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
Former CIA Director Richard Helms:
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Posted by: RJ at January 07, 2010 09:24 AM (ADbI4)
Posted by: moi at January 07, 2010 09:28 AM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Mystery Guest at January 07, 2010 09:57 AM (ITzbJ)
That's because, unlike the U.S., Israeli Border Policies actually make some fucking sense.
It's also incorrect. Israel makes exceptions for people they actually need, and for people who have helped defend Israel.
Just like our current program for fast-tracking naturalization for non-US volunteers who enlist.
Posted by: Kristopher at January 07, 2010 10:45 AM (kCEOg)
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
Posted by: RJ at January 07, 2010 01:24 PM (ADbI4)
Incidentally, the first google results I got for searching the "quotes" are from eather Neo-Nazi or Islamist sites. Elders of Zion disapprove of your actions, lowly Aryan, and your IP has been codexed for further review.
Posted by: Grandmaster Zaide at January 07, 2010 11:38 AM (g7x8k)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 07, 2010 04:26 PM (RdGs9)
Actually, I got the quotes from a website maintained by two gentlemen: Jim Ennes, a retired career Naval Officer and a survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty; and Joe Meadors, another survivor of the attack. Meadors was one of the eyewitnesses who saw the Israelis machine-gunning the USS Liberty's life rafts, which happens to be, you know, a war crime.
Now for a lesson in basic logic: Just because you found some of the quotes I cited on alleged "neo-Nazi" or "Islamist" websites (or so you claim) does not change the fact that the quotes are real, nor does it somehow discredit the individuals who were quoted. For instance, if a neo-Nazi were to quote something that Thomas Jefferson wrote, that does not mean that Thomas Jefferson didn't really write it, nor does it mean Thomas Jefferson was a genocidal anti-Semite.
You know, ignoring all facts and debating exclusively via logical fallacies and defamatory smears tends to be something that leftists do. I don't expect it out of conservatives, as we tend to be more fact-oriented.
Posted by: RJ at January 07, 2010 09:02 PM (ADbI4)
Invading Iraq: Because a cabal of Zionist Jews neoconned us into it.
The Afghanistan Surge: Because it's "good for the Jews".
Why not nuke Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt?: The Zionist Jews want it so it must be a good idea.
General Petraeus and Admiral Mullen: Just kidding. We're happy to see Americans die for Eretz Israel.
Dennis Ross: Lobby? What Lobby? Why, I wear an American flag pin on my kippa.
Tip" The central message of the Coen Bros. "A SERIOUS MAN" is that the morbidly neurotic nature of Jewish culture insures that Jews are the last to catch on that maybe they're missing the bigger picture. Keep denying Reality. See where it gets you.
Posted by: Fran at March 29, 2010 02:00 PM (7bPRa)
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The U.S. army would say, "Fuck that!" I imagine.
Posted by: Christoph at January 06, 2010 02:42 PM (0fq7b)