October 11, 2010
— DrewM Joe Manchin, the Governor of West Virginia and candidate for US Senate is a right wing conservative whack job, right? Oh, he's a Democrat? Well, that's awkward.
How badly does Manchin want you to think he's not an Obama liberal? Unlike Dale Peterson, Manchin actually fires a shot in his ad...right at the heart of a cherished piece of liberal legislation. I eagerly await the usual denunciations from liberal interest groups about how dangerous this kind of imagery is.
As Baseball Crank says, this is the sincerest form of flattery. It's also the sweet, sweet smell of desperation.
Meanwhile a real conservative, Republican John Raese, is tooling along with a 4.5% lead according to the RCP average.
The West Virginia race is an important one because the winner will sit in the lame duck session. If you're in West Virgina or a nearby state, check out Raese's website for Get Out the Vote opportunities.
One more note about Manchin's makeover from Democrat into West Virginia's Mr. Republican. He wanted the NY Times to know who his favorite most recent President is.
Gov. Joe Manchin III, the Democratic candidate for the Senate here, could barely contain his frustration during an interview at the Capitol.He complained that his Republican opponent was unjustly calling him a tool of President Obama, and he jumped up to show a visitor a photograph of himself taken with President George W. Bush in the Oval Office.
In November of 2008 the story was that Republicans may never win another election above the dog catcher level. Now Democrats are running on their affinity for George W. Bush, Wisconsin may boot Russ Feingold and the House is a lost cause for Democrats.
Obama maybe the best thing to happen to conservatism and the GOP in generations. If only he weren't so damn bad for America.
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Posted by: Crimso at October 11, 2010 08:18 AM (Xj3ni)
Posted by: EC at October 11, 2010 08:20 AM (mAhn3)
Posted by: pep at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (8zlLq)
So why would anyone believe the current crop will be any different, and what the heck is the NRA thinking?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (bgcml)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (7rfUg)
A looksey on the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence doesn't bring up Manchin's name. Guess they're okay with this "violent gun" ad.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Penfold at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (1PeEC)
Posted by: pep at October 11, 2010 12:21 PM (8zlLq)
We know why...
Posted by: Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi at October 11, 2010 08:21 AM (bgcml)
Did you ever think they would do otherwise?
This is the problem with all political organizations, eventually they become about themselves and their own power.
Posted by: AllenG at October 11, 2010 08:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: robtr at October 11, 2010 08:23 AM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at October 11, 2010 08:23 AM (HaYO4)
Mu guess is that they are smart enough to know that organizations that reflexively identify with one party inevitable end up owned by that party, e.g. the "civil rights" establishment.
Posted by: pep at October 11, 2010 08:24 AM (8zlLq)
I haven't seen the ad myself (can't stream it at work) but unless the video actually shows Mr. Manchin hitting the target (both in the same shot, no cut-aways) I'm more inclined to believe the shot was probably taken by a stunt shooter.
Posted by: AllenG at October 11, 2010 08:25 AM (8y9MW)
NRA taking Soro's place in this election.
While I may agree with the need to protect the 2nd Amendment, not at the expense of the other 9.
NRA is not helping itself with its tunnel vision.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 11, 2010 08:26 AM (r1h5M)
Posted by: FreakyBoy at October 11, 2010 08:26 AM (YU9IY)
Posted by: AllenG at October 11, 2010 08:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: WTF? at October 11, 2010 08:28 AM (gbCNS)
Posted by: Methos at October 11, 2010 08:28 AM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Dave C at October 11, 2010 08:32 AM (yZDkF)
Friday night he tried to tell the voters he was a teabagger. Srsly.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 11, 2010 08:34 AM (Vz9lf)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 11, 2010 08:34 AM (NITzp)
Posted by: Carl, the greenskeeper at October 11, 2010 08:35 AM (DTzwU)
Obama maybe the best thing to happen to conservatism and the GOP in generations. If only he weren't so damn bad for America.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
It's not over yet, either way. Remember not too long ago also, you were making fun of Obama and the dems for having not done anything at all.
He's done a few things only, really. A few very big things.
Imagine if Obamacare's mandate goes on to the supreme court, and the logical extension of their insane interpretation on the Commerce Clause functions as a reductio-ad-absurdem so powerful it forces Scalia to re-evaluate what he signed onto in order to keep pot banned.
Or not.
The day may yet come when we can say Obamacare was the greatest thing to happen to America in generations, because it forced the overturning of terrible legal precedent set during the Roosevelt adminstration.
Or not.
Then again, some ostensibly right-wing types may not like that outcome very much either, anyway.
Posted by: Entropy at October 11, 2010 08:35 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: White women with education degrees at October 11, 2010 08:37 AM (FJQB5)
Better the bear than me.
Posted by: The Chicken at October 11, 2010 08:38 AM (HcfaS)
Being from West Virginia there is an excellent chance Manchin is a hunter. He shows familiarity with weapons and their use. (It's the little things like the easy way he handles a cartridge with out fumbling it, advances the bolt with the heel of the hand, the sharp quick opening of the bolt to insure case extraction, these are the kinds of things that show up people who have never handled weapons before.)
The form for bringing the weapon up and firing are both good and at the range that he is firing at it would be imposible to miss. Not saying that the shot shown hitting the document is the same one he fired, but any deer hunter could easily have pulled off that bit handily.
Posted by: Have Blue at October 11, 2010 08:38 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: Donna at October 11, 2010 08:38 AM (/9pqf)
Posted by: Pat at October 11, 2010 08:39 AM (SHHSw)
few other ad ideas for Raese's campaign. When the fraud called WV residents "bitter clingers", where the hell was Manchin defending his residents???
And if he doesn't like Obama that much, why did he endorse Obama with his superdelegate vote after promising he would support the candidate who got the most votes in WV. It was Hillary by over 40 points, and Manchin lied to his consitutents and voted for Obama instead.
WV -- you trust Manchin as your governor, can you trust him as your Senator? NO.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 11, 2010 08:39 AM (ACkhT)
It is amazing what Obama-Reid-Pelosi have accomplished for us in 2 years!
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at October 11, 2010 08:40 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Dave C at October 11, 2010 08:40 AM (yZDkF)
Posted by: Have Blue at October 11, 2010 08:41 AM (mV+es)
Nice catch. Here is is:
Joe Manchin Supports Obama's Cap and Trade Scheme
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 11, 2010 08:42 AM (9hSKh)
Let's not forget that folks are turning on liberalism because of the damage it has done this past year and a half, not because we managed to be sufficiently clever/clear in our arguments. That damage is done and the money cannot be unspent, never mind the corrections that should have happened two years ago didn't (thanks a heap, TARP!) and the festering mess that is the MBS ponzi still must blow up and be cleared.
Posted by: Methos at October 11, 2010 08:42 AM (Ew1k4)
There it is again... the ad for defeating Bachmann.
WTF? at October 11, 2010 12:28 PM (gbCNS)
I get the "Paulsen voted with Michelle Bachmann 93% of the time" ad. Which makes me wonder what was wrong with the other 7% of time. At least I'm getting proper ads this week instead of at the office where I see PA ads since our network is routed thru Philly.
Posted by: Darury at October 11, 2010 08:43 AM (/Qwf2)
I despise the use of weapons on most TV and movies precisely because they have no idea what they are doing!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at October 11, 2010 08:45 AM (LH6ir)
Does he mention the Bible and the military at PuffHo, either?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 11, 2010 08:45 AM (Vz9lf)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at October 11, 2010 08:46 AM (BZ2Bm)
It's equally amazing at how many voters still support them and the silly facade. Maybe, maybe, the electorate has finally awakened.
I can still see November from my house. It would seem that in this cycle, my neighbors can too.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 11, 2010 08:48 AM (HcfaS)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo
This isn't off-topic. You should send in this ad reporting that this is indeed proof that Glenn Beck has induced this crazed gun-toting loon. Follow up five minutes later asking if you get anything for the tip.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 11, 2010 08:48 AM (R2fpr)
just a little factoid for you:
The GOP needs to gain 54 seats in the House to get back to their majority level of 2004. Fifty-six pickups to get back their post-'94 levels.
And the GOP needs to gain 79 seats to get to the current level of majority the Democrats now enjoy.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 11, 2010 08:49 AM (TGZjT)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2010 08:50 AM (imD7p)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 11, 2010 08:52 AM (NITzp)
This may be it for me and the NRA.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at October 11, 2010 08:52 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: WTF? at October 11, 2010 12:28 PM (gbCNS)
I get those here if I've visited OPFOR sites before coming here. Cookies. Damn Liberal Cookies infesting my machine...BUGS!!!
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 11, 2010 08:53 AM (7rfUg)
I'm here to get me a huntin' license.
Posted by: John Kerry at October 11, 2010 08:55 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at October 11, 2010 08:57 AM (WZFkG)
"Yep. And that's what still worries me. Too many people still think in terms of Republican vs Democrat, instead of conservative/libertarian vs liberal/socialist/communist/Marxist. It may just be that the electorate is turning on Democrats, yet not liberalism/socialism. "
No, I diagree. Because people like me are now recogninzing that just because you are a republican does not mean you are a conservative, wanting to conserve America's founding principles.
People are equating democrats with liberalism. People are equating conservatism with republicans, but they recognize what conservatism is, and will cry foul whoever runs away from it, whether it be dem or repub.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 11, 2010 08:57 AM (ACkhT)
55 I guess my only question is: What are the conservative alternatives to the NRA and the VFW because they seem intent on endorsing leftist cockstains.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at October 11, 2010 12:57 PM (WZFkG)
GOAPosted by: Ed Anger at October 11, 2010 09:01 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 11, 2010 09:02 AM (Vz9lf)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 11, 2010 12:42 PM (9hSKh)
He was for it before he was against it.
Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2010 09:02 AM (/jbAw)
Running a successful campaign is mostly winning the news cycle day after day: if the media is compliant and complicit in making sure you DO win every media issue, where is the genius in that?
Obama's handlers not only got the benefit of positive coverage, they didn't even have to squelch bad news- the media did it for them. What was left for them to do? Set up photo-ops for fawning interviews and coverage.
ROVE was a political genius, getting Bush re-elected in the most hostile environment possible. Axelrod was just lucky in his opponents and patron.
Posted by: ms. docweasel at October 11, 2010 09:02 AM (QLE5H)
Posted by: Have Blue at October 11, 2010 09:03 AM (mV+es)
the NRA is gone from this household.They really don't care about anything but "gun rights."
Um, duh.
I'm not a big fan of NRA's pro-incumbent stance when it favors Dems, especially when we're talking about who gets to confirm judges, but it makes at least sense to rate someone with higher political office and a consistent record better than a person who has only held lower office. THe pressure to bend left increases as power gets increased. That's why the Senate is full of squishes.
The endorsement does little harm, and it allows NRA to say, "Hey, we are non-partisan, see? We endorsed Munchkin" (or whatever the fuck his name is)
Posted by: s'moron at October 11, 2010 09:04 AM (UaxA0)
52 Raese has a page on his site with an NRA blurb, even after they stabbed him in the back!
No wonder the NRA didn't endorse him. He has his finger inside the trigger guard.
Very poor firearm handling skills.
Posted by: s'moron at October 11, 2010 09:07 AM (UaxA0)
Running a successful campaign is mostly winning the news cycle day after day: if the media is compliant and complicit in making sure you DO win every media issue, where is the genius in that?
Obama's handlers not only got the benefit of positive coverage, they didn't even have to squelch bad news- the media did it for them. What was left for them to do? Set up photo-ops for fawning interviews and coverage.
The major contributor to the Zero campaign was simply that around 52% of the American people piss on their hands when going to the bathroom.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:08 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Libby the unicorn humper at October 11, 2010 09:09 AM (DYJjQ)
Posted by: Dave C at October 11, 2010 09:09 AM (yZDkF)
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:11 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2010 09:13 AM (Ly+aE)
Second Amendment Foundation
They've been doing the bulk of the real judicial challenges that have made progress lately.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 11, 2010 09:18 AM (P9+0W)
The list could go on and on, but yeah, that's a pretty bad one!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at October 11, 2010 09:18 AM (LH6ir)
I think the top speed of a race horse is about 30 MPHish
So then 2 horses would go 60mph and 3 would go 90!
Posted by: Mama AJ, looking blonde in this light at October 11, 2010 09:19 AM (XdlcF)
File under F: Democrats are Frighteningly Fascist.
"If at first you don't succeed, get some friends in high places to shut your opponents up. That's the latest Washington power play, as Democrats and liberals attack the Chamber of Commerce and independent spending groups in an attempt to stop businesses from participating in politics.
Since the Supreme Court's January decision in Citizens United v. FEC, Democrats in Congress have been trying to pass legislation to repeal the First Amendment for business, though not for unions. Having failed on that score, they're now turning to legal and political threats. Funny how all of this outrage never surfaced when the likes of Peter Lewis of Progressive insurance and George Soros helped to make Democrats financially dominant in 2006 and 2008."
Free speech is a one way street for corruptocrats.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 11, 2010 09:21 AM (0fzsA)
Also to prove that Doc and Marty were pretty clueless about how to function without modern technology. Remember that they had the speedometer and it kept pegging around 20 - 25 (IIRC).
That's why they had to go with the train heist.
And I can't believe I'm actually discussing the realism merits of a Back To The Future movie...
Posted by: AllenG at October 11, 2010 09:22 AM (8y9MW)
So then 2 horses would go 60mph and 3 would go 90!
Posted by: Mama AJ, looking blonde in this light at October 11, 2010 01:19 PM (XdlcF)
Only if harnessed in series. Parallel is not additive for speed, only torque.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:22 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: John Galt at October 11, 2010 09:23 AM (F/4zf)
But they don't have a magazine and a cool logo!
Thanks for that link. They seem to be very aggressive in protecting the 2nd amendment, and not particularly political. Nice!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at October 11, 2010 09:23 AM (LH6ir)
So then 2 horses would go 60mph and 3 would go 90!
Posted by: Mama AJ, looking blonde in this light at October 11, 2010 01:19 PM (XdlcF)
Only if harnessed in series. Parallel is not additive for speed, only torque.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 01:22 PM (OlN4e)
It's just really hard to find the right size horses so you can have one running on the back of another that's running on the back of the biggest.
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 09:25 AM (IzuWw)
Ah, Eddie, with the mouth that just won't quit:
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) characterized the midterm elections as a life-and-death struggle in a speech Sunday afternoon....
"Vote like your life depends on it -- because, you know, it just might."
Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2010 09:25 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at October 11, 2010 09:27 AM (HUW1q)
He's got a point, it's just not exactly the point he thinks made.
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 09:28 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: Dave C at October 11, 2010 09:28 AM (yZDkF)
Usually that quells the BS flag.
Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2010 09:29 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2010 09:32 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 01:32 PM (IzuWw)
I love New Mexico. Got my first degree at ENMU while my dad was stationed at Cannon. He liked New Mexico so much he stayed an additional 10 years after he retired. Truly the Land Of Enchantment.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:34 AM (OlN4e)
Anytime I find myself throwing the BS flag on stuff like horses pulling a car to get it to 88 mph I have to stop and think about the actual overall premise of the movie I am bitching about.
Yeh, my kids get like that. "But that couldn't really happen!" It's a talking penguin in a space ship going through time and you're fussing about someone walking on their hands for more than 10 feet without falling...
Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2010 09:37 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 01:32 PM (IzuWw)
I love New Mexico. Got my first degree at ENMU while my dad was stationed at Cannon. He liked New Mexico so much he stayed an additional 10 years after he retired. Truly the Land Of Enchantment.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 01:34 PM (OlN4e)
Another Air Force brat, hey bro'!
I love it here too, the scenery and open spaces are what make it worth living here in northern New Mexico, surrounded by demtards. At least the political inclination of most of the eastern half of the state is much more conservative.
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 09:38 AM (IzuWw)
Another Air Force brat, hey bro'!
Yep. Went to 13 different schools in 13 different states by the time I got to high school. Only one advantage to always being the new kid, I got hard fists.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:41 AM (OlN4e)
That's more than the 11 I attended before I graduated.
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 09:45 AM (IzuWw)
Heh. None so blind as those who won't see.
Even DrewM is past the denial stage.
Posted by: someone at October 11, 2010 09:51 AM (phFBF)
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 01:45 PM (IzuWw)
Hell, I can't even remember all the places I attended school. Three different places in California alone, of which I can remember Edwards. I remember going to school in Wheatland (north Cal.) and Victorville. I did not like California, the land is great, the people, well, not so much.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 09:52 AM (OlN4e)
Maybe instead of hating the NRA for winning, you should see if other conservative groups can imitate their success. What if the Club for Growth had the clout the NRA does?
Posted by: Britt at October 11, 2010 09:53 AM (cGAax)
Posted by: Maureen Dowd at October 11, 2010 09:58 AM (Zsqn4)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at October 11, 2010 09:58 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 11, 2010 12:34 PM (Vz9lf)
Details, please! I lurves me some Feingold floppage. I really want to see him go down hard!
Posted by: Jay in Ames at October 11, 2010 09:58 AM (UEEex)
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 10:00 AM (IzuWw)
Now Democrats are running on their affinity for George W. Bush,
That's pretty funny. It's the flip side of Christine O'Donnell saying Hillary Clinton is her most admired female politician in her interview on Gretawire.
Posted by: kallisto at October 11, 2010 10:00 AM (+FkcS)
I remember Sarah Palin saying the same thing to Greta.
Posted by: Jay in Ames at October 11, 2010 10:06 AM (UEEex)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at October 11, 2010 10:07 AM (G4gXZ)
Posted by: NM Hick at October 11, 2010 02:00 PM (IzuWw)
Heh. '63-'67 I believe. We probably passed in the halls at school.
Posted by: maddogg at October 11, 2010 10:08 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at October 11, 2010 10:24 AM (90bLF)
106 - Odd isn't it? One would assume that a conservative woman would hold Margaret Thatcher or Condoleeza Rice in high esteem...but HRC?
Next up: Sarah and Christine with their BFF Michelle O digging up turnips in the White House vegetable garden.
Posted by: kallisto at October 11, 2010 10:33 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2010 10:39 AM (bAySe)
They. Don't. Get. It.
Posted by: Filly at October 11, 2010 10:42 AM (r1Xxg)
That pussy needs a scope to hit an 8.5x11" target at 25 yards.
West Virginians are laughing at him.
Posted by: Max Entropy at October 11, 2010 11:17 AM (la188)
I'm so afraid. Hold me closer, little ballerina.
Posted by: blindside at October 11, 2010 11:51 AM (x7g7t)
When did the NRA allow it's logo on Political ads?
This is not going to be good for Wayne.
Posted by: Kemp at October 11, 2010 12:11 PM (AQxTm)
Posted by: WTF? at October 11, 2010 12:28 PM (gbCNS)
I always take the time to click on those several times. Costs the Dihms some money, makes a couple of cents for Ace...
Posted by: RightThinker at October 11, 2010 01:02 PM (KmHbv)
Get the price tag string off the front mount - you will need to in order to reattach the tag when you take it back to the gun shop from where you borrowed it for this stupid photo op.
Also, pick your fucking brass up. Its called littering, asshole.
Posted by: actual shooter at October 11, 2010 01:42 PM (y0VOX)
Britt at October 11, 2010 01:53 PM (cGAax)
So you would vote for Harry Reid? If not, why not as a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment? Could it be because he would put judges on the federal benches who would be happy to take away your 2nd amendment rights?
Again, all things being equal in regard to a candidate's 2nd amendment support, any gun rights advocate would be remiss if they did not support the Republican candidate whose party is an advocate for the 2nd amendment as opposed to the Democrats who are an advocate to limit the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: polynikes at October 11, 2010 02:04 PM (m2CN7)
____________
Reid is the majority leader. He is not just another Senator. He has more power. If he goes down the Senate Dems will pick a new leader. Who wants that job? Dick Durbin ("American troops are Nazis") or Charles Schumer will probably end up with it. Now maybe Reid is as bad as Schumer. But Durbin is a loathsome piece of slime. I'd rather Reid be there with control then Durbin. They both come from liberal states, and they can both urge massive new gun control with complete safety.
However, I think the GOP has a legit chance to take the Senate. Certainly we will have the ability to filibuster. So yes, I hope Reid does lose. I risk a lot with this, you understand. The lame duck session would be the time a bunch of defeated Dems go full crazy and try to pass an Assault Weapons Ban II or a federal registry before they slink back to their holes.
Posted by: Britt at October 11, 2010 02:35 PM (cGAax)
Posted by: Pelayo at October 11, 2010 02:37 PM (QLmzi)
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Remember all the shit they gave Sarah Palin for shooting wolves from a helicopter?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 11, 2010 08:18 AM (TGZjT)