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March 08, 2010

Another Stupak Dem Flips "No"
— Gabriel Malor

Via the Weekly Standard, Illinois Dem Dan Lipinski says it's not gonna happen:

Asked if the congressman is "open to voting for a health care bill that lacks the Stupak amendment," Lipinski's spokesman Nathaniel Zimmer replied in an email to THE WEEKLY STANDARD: "No. Congressman Lipinski will not vote for a health care bill that provides federal funding for abortion."
In addition to Stupak and Lipinski, Congressman Jim Oberstar of Minnesota has said that he will not vote for the health care bill if it lacks the Stupak amendment: "I will not vote for a health care bill that doesn't have the House abortion language in it," Oberstar told Congressional Quarterly on February 24.

By my count, if even two House Dems switch their yes votes to no, Pelosi can't get to 216 (217, if Massa actually rescinds his resignation). Stupak has already said he won't be the guy. And Ace noted at few others last week.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:56 AM | Comments (58)
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1 More will follow suit.

Posted by: EC at March 08, 2010 09:57 AM (mAhn3)

2 9

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 08, 2010 09:58 AM (ucq49)

3 I didn't think Lipinski's vote was ever in doubt.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 08, 2010 09:59 AM (ucq49)

4 Wait for Rahm Emanuel to wrestle this guy to the ground in the showers.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 08, 2010 09:59 AM (cMo6P)

5 Lipinski must be a FOX News watcher.

Posted by: Vile Roman at March 08, 2010 10:01 AM (iBzKc)

6 I expect it will be much like Eastern Promises.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 08, 2010 10:01 AM (cMo6P)

7 Hmm, I don't want to get my hopes up. I'm waiting for the steel jaws of teh trap to close.

Posted by: runningrn at March 08, 2010 10:01 AM (CfmlF)

8 RRRRAAAAAAGGGEEEE!

Posted by: Fox News at March 08, 2010 10:01 AM (TpXEI)

9 "What we know is that Lipinski acted stupidly...So in light of that, I've invited him and Rep. Stupak to the White House for a Beer Summit".

Posted by: Chicago Jesus at March 08, 2010 10:02 AM (CfmlF)

10 Is this the Dan Rather thread?

Posted by: the web is being scrubbed as we speak at March 08, 2010 10:02 AM (Vu6sl)

11 Lipinski was a watermelon seller.

Posted by: dagny at March 08, 2010 10:03 AM (xTpw2)

12 If Nancy had the votes, the Senate bill would be on the House floor right now.
She ain't got the votes.

Posted by: GarandFan at March 08, 2010 10:05 AM (6mwMs)

13 So did Nomentum win an Oscar or not?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 08, 2010 10:06 AM (cpuvG)

14 I would go without sex for two years if we can just defeat Obamacare. Hey wait, I'm already doing that. Does that count as time served?

Posted by: conscious and in a sacrificial mode at March 08, 2010 10:07 AM (Vu6sl)

15 So what is the score as of today. Is it Zerocare ya, or Zerocare naw?

Posted by: maddogg at March 08, 2010 10:08 AM (OlN4e)

16 14 I would go without sex for two years if we can just defeat Obamacare. Hey wait, I'm already doing that. Does that count as time served? Heh! You might even get time off for good behavior!

Posted by: runningrn at March 08, 2010 10:08 AM (CfmlF)

17 If we are not just being played by these guys, I'll be in shock. I don't believe this for a minute.

Posted by: Vet_Missing_Parts at March 08, 2010 10:08 AM (MCHyX)

18 O/T and crossposted: Rather soundbyte: "He couldn't sell watermelons."

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 08, 2010 10:10 AM (vBieH)

19
Wow, Massa's rant is quite a ... rant.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 08, 2010 10:11 AM (fx8sm)

20 Rather and Johnson should get married, They are ideally suited to each other. Both are completely and totally disconnected from reality.

Posted by: maddogg at March 08, 2010 10:11 AM (OlN4e)

21 By my count, if even two House Dems switch their yes votes to no, Pelosi can't get to 216 (217, if Massa actually rescinds his resignation).

Do you mean, even if two Dems switch their no votes to yes, Pelosi won't get 216?

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at March 08, 2010 10:11 AM (cxGtL)

22 Should we interpret Obama's hyperventilation today to be a sign of desperation?

Posted by: rawmuse at March 08, 2010 10:12 AM (NeoZ2)

23 The news today is comedy gold. Comedy gold, I tell you, comedy gold!

Posted by: DelD at March 08, 2010 10:13 AM (eWtdM)

@19 If it was anyone else, than RatherNot, I'd say it was a Howard Cossel moment.

Posted by: Courage at March 08, 2010 10:14 AM (ucq49)

25 Do you mean, even if two Dems switch their no votes to yes, Pelosi won't get 216?

No, I mean that if just two of the Dems who previously voted yes (including Stupak and his dozen-or-so) switch to no, Pelosi cannot get to 216.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 08, 2010 10:14 AM (Mi2wf)

26 Zero doesn't give a fuck about foreign affairs, the economy, jobs, immigration, education, or gay rights. He has rolled the dice on the only thing he gives a royal rat's ass about, healthcare. Which is nothing more than his golden key to socialism.

Posted by: maddogg at March 08, 2010 10:15 AM (OlN4e)

27 OT: Beck has Massa tomorrow for one hr!

Posted by: oh baby! at March 08, 2010 10:15 AM (ucq49)

28 19 O/T and crossposted: Rather soundbyte: "He couldn't sell watermelons."

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 08, 2010 02:10 PM (vBieH)

Someone better save a copy of that before it gets scrubbed!

Posted by: conscious and shocked. Shocked I tell ya! at March 08, 2010 10:15 AM (Vu6sl)

29 I have debated politics while naked in the locker room, but I draw the line when the other party starts using the hair dryer on his junk.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 08, 2010 10:16 AM (NeoZ2)

30 The true test of whether or not "death panels" exist in the Obamacare plan, will be whether Dan Rather gets sick and his docs have a little "sit down" with him. And send him home.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 08, 2010 10:16 AM (UOM48)

31 Saying that Obama couldn't sell watermelons isn't remotely racist. Saying that he wouldn't want to sell the watermelons would have been racist. Try again, conservatards.

Posted by: Lib Dummy at March 08, 2010 10:17 AM (5I0Yr)

32 23 Should we interpret Obama's hyperventilation today to be a sign of desperation?

Posted by: rawmuse at March 08, 2010 02:12 PM (NeoZ2)

He was rather "high" strung. I think he's had his nose a little too close to the mirror. IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: conscious and wondering what the white stuff is around Obama's nostrils at March 08, 2010 10:18 AM (Vu6sl)

33 OT: Two more ACORN workers charged with election fraud. Is that 18 or 19 states now?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 08, 2010 10:19 AM (mR7mk)

34 Barry would, however, be able to sell Michelle's organically grown watermelons.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 08, 2010 10:19 AM (UOM48)

35 So did Nomentum win an Oscar or not?

Nomentum was released this year.
You have to wait for next years Oscars.

I think they are considering bringing back the Best Original Musical or Comedy Score category just for Nomentum. The new musical subplot includes a nifty song called Springtime For Cheney

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 08, 2010 10:19 AM (0q2P7)

36 No, I mean that if just two of the Dems who previously voted yes (including Stupak and his dozen-or-so) switch to no, Pelosi cannot get to 216.

Unless she gets a bunch of previous no's to vote yes. An unknown number of those no's were "allowed" to vote no but wanted it to pass.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 08, 2010 10:20 AM (5I0Yr)

37 32 Saying that Obama couldn't sell watermelons isn't remotely racist. Saying that he wouldn't want to sell the watermelons would have been racist. Try again, conservatards.

Posted by: Lib Dummy at March 08, 2010 02:17 PM (5I0Yr)

Oh, please. Quit drinking your watermelon kool-aid. If ANY Republican or conservative TV or talk radio person had said that, you fucking liberals in be in a nuclear meltdown right now.

Posted by: conscious and telling liberals to fuck off at March 08, 2010 10:21 AM (Vu6sl)

38 34 OT: Two more ACORN workers charged with election fraud. Is that 18 or 19 states now?

Oh Heather, you silly girl. Like anyone cares about that. Yawn! We certainly don't think it bears reporting.

Posted by: Lamestream Media at March 08, 2010 10:21 AM (CfmlF)

39 Dan Lipinski better stay away from weddings and receptions!

Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2010 10:22 AM (QrA9E)

40 Saying that he wouldn't want to sell the watermelons would have been racist.

Why would he want/try to sell anything? He's a Marxist. He'd confiscate the melons and re-distribute...whether people want melons or not.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 08, 2010 10:22 AM (mR7mk)

41 Lipinski's father gave him the seat...it's mostly white there.

Posted by: LtE113 at March 08, 2010 10:22 AM (3NFq/)

42 in - would

Posted by: conscious and telling liberals to fuck off at March 08, 2010 10:23 AM (Vu6sl)

Oh Heather, you silly girl. Like anyone cares about that. Yawn! We certainly don't think it bears reporting.

Posted by: Lamestream Media at March 08, 2010 02:21 PM (CfmlF)

After your failure to report on about a million Tea Partiers marching on Washington, I can certainly believe that.

Posted by: maddogg at March 08, 2010 10:23 AM (OlN4e)

44 Rush is really having fun today. And Massa's rant is pure gold. (Although I need brain bleach to get the image of a naked, pissed off Rahm shoving his finger in the chest of a naked, wet Massa. Blrrrgh.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 08, 2010 10:24 AM (UOM48)

45 I know. I just keep track of these things for my own amusement.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 08, 2010 10:24 AM (mR7mk)

46 Oh, please. Quit drinking your watermelon kool-aid. If ANY Republican or conservative TV or talk radio person had said that, you fucking liberals in be in a nuclear meltdown right now.

Dude, quit arguing with the sock puppets. It causes to many of us to waste our favorite caffeinated beverage. (It's not really worth drinking after it comes out of your nose, bummer for the soda drinkers)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 08, 2010 10:26 AM (0q2P7)

47 Watermelons? Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at March 08, 2010 10:27 AM (v0kvW)

48 It's rather difficult to say if Zero could sell watermelons. Right now he's busy trying like hell to sell a piece of shit to the American public. I wouldn't want that job. It's not exactly like selling Girl Scout cookies.

Posted by: maddogg at March 08, 2010 10:29 AM (OlN4e)

49 42 has it right, Lipinski's district is part of the old southwest side bungalow belt in the city of Chicago & inner suburbs. Think reagan democrats.

Posted by: Boots at March 08, 2010 10:30 AM (06JTY)

50 I'm concerned about the "health" of any congressman who continues to say he is a no vote. They are going to push this through. Next, acorn will be counting the votes in the house.

Posted by: dagny at March 08, 2010 10:32 AM (xTpw2)

51 I continue to be staggered by the ideological zeal of Obama and Pelosi. She can't dump the funding for abortion to save the bill? It's a frakkin' $400 procedure.

As a cold-blooded reich winger, I consider federally-funded $400 abortions as an excellent investment in keeping the population of criminals and welfare queens down. But I doubt that's Nancy's reason. So I have to say, WTF?

Posted by: schizuki at March 08, 2010 10:35 AM (KvdPX)

52 - Pelosi can't change anything about the Senate bill right now. Using the ram-it-reconciliation method of bill approval, the Senate HC bill must be passed exactly as it passed the Senate. Then they can make changes to it. But at that point, why would they? Once it's passed, it's passed.

House Dems need to get it hammered home to them that whatever is in the Senate bill is what the final bill will be, end of story. There won't be any more bribes needed or paid off at that point.

Posted by: Boots at March 08, 2010 10:44 AM (06JTY)

53 That bastard Lipinski tried giving me the hucklebuck down in the corner of the bar. He was trying to suck the pants off me, so I slugged him right in his cock.

Posted by: Pablo Honey at March 08, 2010 10:47 AM (jxHlf)

Not holding my breath personally, even on the supposed "no" votes. I'm sure if Pelosi and the rest of the Soprano's can find any leverage at all, at this point even threating their families, they'll still be able to flip back to yes and then make some lame statement about how they did it because they were assured that the Stupak language would be put back in reconciliation.

Not that it could be of course, since all it's supposed to be used for is budgetary items, but considering how many rules the Dems seem willing to break for this monstrosity who knows.

And if they do get this passed, well Welcome to the worlds newest bannana republic.

Posted by: Redneck_Klingon at March 08, 2010 11:44 AM (e8T35)

55 28: Thought that was today - oh well, I'll have to save some pudding then. Watermelon Dan only gets 1 dip today.

Posted by: societyis2blame at March 08, 2010 12:03 PM (rPDD/)

56 We'll see. A lot of guys said "I won't vote for this" and did last time.

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