October 20, 2010
— Ace Red storm rising:
In the final survey before Election Day, likely voters say the GOP would do a better job than Democrats on handling the economy, creating jobs and running the government.Most also think the country's headed in the wrong direction. More than half disapprove of Obama's job performance. And even more don't like the Democratic-controlled Congress.
AP confirms that ABCNews/WaPo Poll on the disappearing female Democratic voter:
In another worrisome sign for Democrats, women now split pretty evenly between the two parties, 49 percent favoring Democrats, 45 percent Republicans. In 2006, Democrats took over Capitol Hill in part by winning 55 percent of the female vote to 43 percent for Republicans.
Other findings: generic congressional 50 GOP/43 Dem; Obama approval 54-45 against; and this key finding--
52 percent have a favorable impression of the GOP; 44 percent view the Democratic Party positively.
On Twitter, David Fredosso says he's pretty sure he's never seen that level of positive impression for the GOP; that sounds right to me (excepting the post-9/11 era of false unity), but I don't have the figures at hand.
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Posted by: joeindc44 at October 20, 2010 12:12 PM (QxSug)
BE THE WAVE
Be the wave and you're sitting on top of the world
Dems are afraid because the Morons are in town (be the wave, be the wave)
They know we've got some friends here
And they know they're doomed and going down
You man the phones, do a precinct tour
And baby the Conservative's will win for sure
You gotta BE THE WAVE and you're sittin' on top of the world
Not just a fad cause it's been going since '09 (be the wave, be the wave)
The TEA Parties going strong
They said it wouldn't last too long
They'll eat their words with some Change and Hope
And watch 'em they'll flip their lids like that Obama dope
And when we BE THE WAVE we'll be sittin' on top of the world
Be the wave and your sittin' on top of the world
So take a lesson from a top-notch Ewok guy (be the wave, be the wave)
Get out the vote today
Let's drive those winning margins high
Just get away from the Internet
And baby go make some calls with the campaign set
And when you BE THE WAVE you'll be sittin on top of the world
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
(Way up high, up on top of the world)
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
(Way up high, up on top of the world)
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
Posted by: stuiec at October 20, 2010 12:13 PM (7AOgy)
Posted by: DngrMse at October 20, 2010 12:13 PM (B9jTH)
Posted by: South Harmon Institute of Technology at October 20, 2010 12:14 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: nickless at October 20, 2010 12:14 PM (MMC8r)
I see what you did there. I just threw up. A lot.
Posted by: CUS at October 20, 2010 12:14 PM (wOGfT)
Damn those birthers for costing us the...
oh wait.
Posted by: Rebar at October 20, 2010 12:16 PM (7gKAF)
Posted by: dogfish at October 20, 2010 12:17 PM (Ncv/n)
Posted by: The Crazy Train at October 20, 2010 12:17 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Vic at October 20, 2010 12:18 PM (/jbAw)
Posted by: catmman at October 20, 2010 12:18 PM (DTzwU)
This cleansing only starts in this cycle, and if the republicans/conservatives continue with the "cross the aisle" nonsense, we're gonna consult with our democrat colleagues, or any action other than complete repeal of the Obama agenda and creation of a mean and lean government, they're going to be booted as well. The nation is mad as hell!
Posted by: Fish at October 20, 2010 12:18 PM (v1gw3)
Posted by: JoeInMD at October 20, 2010 12:19 PM (PIahf)
Posted by: Queen Gorgo of Sparta at October 20, 2010 12:19 PM (wDKwf)
Posted by: Vic at October 20, 2010 04:18 PM (/jbAw)
I wonder what their secret handshake will be.
Posted by: stuiec at October 20, 2010 12:20 PM (7AOgy)
Posted by: Oregon Is Dumber Than Dirt at October 20, 2010 12:20 PM (QgAFR)
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:21 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: White women with college degrees at October 20, 2010 12:22 PM (Gpm4m)
I suspect the next two years may be more exciting than most of us will like.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at October 20, 2010 12:22 PM (GBXon)
Personally, I trust no polls that don't identify their wallaby and armadillo samples.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 20, 2010 12:22 PM (Ulu3i)
I see what you did there......
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:22 PM (UK9cE)
This dove tails nicely with H/A's re-analysis of the Wilson poll showing Fiorina and Whitman leading in Calif.
Posted by: journolist at October 20, 2010 12:22 PM (O/NP5)
Posted by: Mike at October 20, 2010 12:23 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at October 20, 2010 12:23 PM (90bLF)
Posted by: markytom at October 20, 2010 12:23 PM (ZG9as)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at October 20, 2010 12:24 PM (90bLF)
Posted by: South Harmon Institute of Technology at October 20, 2010 04:14 PM (FcR7P)
Bulls??? we're the Sandwiches Dude!
Posted by: Movie Meme Police at October 20, 2010 12:24 PM (AdK6a)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 20, 2010 12:24 PM (eOXTH)
Personally, I trust no polls that don't identify their wallaby and armadillo samples.
Didn't the exit polls in the '04 election have Kerry up by significant margins over heir Bush?
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:24 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Don at October 20, 2010 12:25 PM (RiU19)
The McDonald's on Rte 1 had on its sign: Brace Yourself...The McRib Is Here.
Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 04:23 PM (gM4zK)
--and this week the Double Down was introduced in Canada. Coincidence?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: logprof at October 20, 2010 12:25 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:28 PM (UK9cE)
I think they're hoping, at this point, to play up the Red Wave so when it fails (as it must) to repeal OCare in the next two years (cause we won't have that big a majority) or cut tons of spending (same reason) that they can try to trot out the meme they're setting up now- instant gratification electorate, its all the economy, blah blah blah.
I'm hoping that the people are smart enough to realize that this is (and must be) only the beginning, and we probably won't start getting real results until 2014 / 2016.
Posted by: AllenG at October 20, 2010 12:28 PM (8y9MW)
In other fast food news: Burger King is bought out by Brazilian investor group. (Seriously! Too lazy to link, but I'm sure you can find it.) Probably not that big a deal; they've been providing the beef for years; it's probably just a way to cut out the middle-man.
Posted by: Monty at October 20, 2010 12:28 PM (4Pleu)
Is that a poll, or did they shake their Magic 8-ball?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 20, 2010 12:28 PM (Vz9lf)
Posted by: Chris R at October 20, 2010 12:28 PM (AO4qz)
The following is the e-mail response I received from the Republican Conference in D.C. I sent their media brass a strongly worded e-mail yesterday on the issue of compromise:
Thanks for your message. I totally understand your concern! I have passed your message along to the leadership office. Right now, with every one back in the district and in the throws of campaigning, IÂ’m told a conference call at this time is not feasible. However, I would encourage you to take this message from Congressman Pence from his Facebook page:
He says, “If Republicans win the House - No Compromise. There will be no compromise on ending the era of runaway spending, borrowing, takeovers and bailouts. No compromise on more government or more taxes. There will be no compromise on repealing Obamacare. There will be no compromise in protecting the values of the American ...people. And just in case I wasn't clear - no compromise.”
Clearly, Mr. Pence is committed to “no compromise” and I hope this gives you some reassurance. Please pass this message along to your community — Mr. Pence is a strong voice within Republican leadership and I have no doubt he will do everything he can. I hope this helps.
Best,
E
Posted by: journolist at October 20, 2010 12:29 PM (O/NP5)
Your Nov 2 dinner:
Entree: McRib
Beverage: Slurpee and Val-u-Rite cocktail (the "Hobomaker")
Dessert: Pudding
Dipping: see dessert
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 20, 2010 12:30 PM (KF/Jh)
Posted by: Future Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 04:25 PM (gM4zK)
And no matter the amount of seats they gain, the R's do not have a mandate either.
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at October 20, 2010 12:30 PM (FIDMq)
Didn't the exit polls in the '04 election have Kerry up by significant margins over heir Bush?
yes. it was hugely wrong. I actually had a screencap of some news site which said partway through the night "How Bush can still pull it off" or something to that effect.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at October 20, 2010 12:30 PM (7X9Xy)
Depending on who loses, we may see instant results.
Flipping the House and beating a few key incumbents like a Hoyer, Dingell, Bawney Fwank, etc., would put the Dems into a state of panic because a lot of the people looking vulnerable are the kinds of people who they figured would only leave Congress feet-first.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 20, 2010 12:30 PM (wDKwf)
Brace yourself.
The McRib is back.
Posted by: Future Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 04:28 PM (gM4zK)
--A few days ago I saw that "McRib" was "rending" on Yahoo (they put those notes atop fantasy leagues). McDonald's can still move the needle. . . .
I think the Double Down I had Monday was too much; at the least I should not have eaten anything else that day. It tasted good though.
Posted by: logprof at October 20, 2010 12:30 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at October 20, 2010 12:32 PM (90bLF)
Didn't the exit polls in the '04 election have Kerry up by significant margins over heir Bush?
yes. it was hugely wrong. I actually had a screencap of some news site which said partway through the night "How Bush can still pull it off" or something to that effect.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at October 20, 2010 04:30 PM (7X9Xy)
--I never got the idea of exit polling. The vote is supposed to be a fucking secret. Douche your ass, pollster!
Posted by: logprof at October 20, 2010 12:32 PM (BP6Z1)
And now that I've made the natural transition to lobbyist, can I interest you in some wealthy donors I know? Let's talk earmarks and subsidies, shall we 'Pubs? Great to have you back, GOP! Cha-ching!
Posted by: Trent Lott at October 20, 2010 12:33 PM (twiRb)
I know this was done on the Simpsons, but I thought the animal they made the McRib from went extinct.
Although the symbolism of releasing the McRib on Election Day is too delicious to bear. Perhaps the newest incarnation will be made from unemployed art history majors--better check your patty for tattoos.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 20, 2010 12:33 PM (3iMgs)
There's selection-bias at work, too, because they tend to poll urban districts as opposed to rural or suburban ones and, depending on who they get to ask the questions, they may get people avoiding them or lying to them.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 20, 2010 12:34 PM (wDKwf)
speaking of bazillions...
they are almost as bad as the Mexican when it comes to overstaying their visas. We have a shitload of illegal bazillions in MA.
Posted by: Future Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 12:35 PM (gM4zK)
For those of you with a hoyer that may have a dingell, lets be frank, every ox has a gore and every boxer a strong pelo,si?
Posted by: journolist at October 20, 2010 12:36 PM (O/NP5)
Posted by: Don at October 20, 2010 04:25 PM (RiU19)
Most of our campaign signs here make no mention of either party. If they mention a party, it's the elephant symbol. Have not seen any Dem symbols at all. I'm just assuming that the one that has three people on it with the phrase "People, not politics," is for Democrats. It's whiny enough.
Posted by: soulpile at October 20, 2010 12:36 PM (gH+Hj)
Yeah. And honestly, I'm more excited about the Republicans who have been getting ousted by Tea Party candidates.
The Reagan revolution was squandered and betrayed. We cannot let that happen again. I've never seen this sort of grass-roots realignment in my life. We cannot let GOP insiders subvert our power as they've done in the past. Not this time, f'ers.
Posted by: sandy burger at October 20, 2010 12:37 PM (twiRb)
Posted by: Future Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 04:37 PM (gM4zK)
--I thought the options were grilled or fried chicken. Fried, of course! (Interestingly, fried is of course higher in fat but the grilled is considerably higher in sodium.)
Posted by: logprof at October 20, 2010 12:38 PM (BP6Z1)
There will be at least a handful where Cletus Whatshisname beats Progresif von Incumbenstein by 3 points.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2010 12:38 PM (3wPsb)
Speaking of Lott, there was a funny story I was told by a friend of mine back in 2000.
A Dem campaigning in the state tried to sell people in the area on voting for the party by talking about how Al Gore was on a first-name basis with the area's Dem member in the House, which would be good for the state if he got elected President.
Someone in the audience said two words, "Trent Lott", and the Dem shut up immediately.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 20, 2010 12:39 PM (wDKwf)
Yes and IMHO, was intentional.
My wife and I were talking on this just last that we wouldn't be suprised if the early exit poll "results" showed a less than expected Republican "wave".
Posted by: fixerupper at October 20, 2010 12:40 PM (J5Hcw)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 20, 2010 12:41 PM (Snu7z)
Yeah, around here leaving the party off is SOP, but I drove through a small town and saw some signs for local candidates in a storefront. Since I had seen those signs in the same lawns with known Dems, I knew that it was a Dem office, but there was no other way to tell.
That's unusual. The party offices at least advertise their top-ballot candidates if not the party itself.
We are an insane people, us Americans: 1976, 1992, 2008.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2010 12:42 PM (3wPsb)
yeah, the grilled is too slippery.
The fried DD is easier to grip...and less greasy.
Posted by: Future Soothsayer at October 20, 2010 04:41 PM (gM4zK)
--Mmmm, making me hungry. However, I could not have a D/D more than once every couple of weeks . . . I think Nov. 2 or 3 will be my next.
Posted by: logprof at October 20, 2010 12:42 PM (BP6Z1)
Just remember- counting on a "wave" to guarantee victory isn't enough. At minimum, get your drunk unwashed hillbilly ass out there and vote.
I know damned well that there are people reading this blog that won't bother. By not voiting you might as well give Nancy and Obama an nice approving rimjob.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 20, 2010 12:43 PM (plsiE)
60
so, by 'no compromise' does the GOP really mean 'no compromise'? I don't want to find out in March 2011 that what we (or Merriam Webster) defines as 'no compromise' is not what the GOP defines as 'no compromise'....
Posted by: the Butcher at October 20, 2010 12:43 PM (8g9qq)
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:43 PM (UK9cE)
What kind of spineless wimps do you take us for?
After years of abuse from the Democrats, it's payback time! Those federal dollars are gonna go to our districts for a change! No compromise! No surrender! So suck it, Obama!
Posted by: GOP Insiders at October 20, 2010 12:48 PM (twiRb)
Posted by: robtr at October 20, 2010 12:48 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 20, 2010 12:49 PM (3iMgs)
so, by 'no compromise' does the GOP really mean 'no compromise'? I don't want to find out in March 2011 that what we (or Merriam Webster) defines as 'no compromise' is not what the GOP defines as 'no compromise'....
Just don't place unrealistic expectations on them- even in the best case scenario of taking both the House and Senate, we wouldn't have a veto-proof majority. Some degree of compromise will be needed, unfortunately. We can't get everything we want while Obama is in office no matter how well things go on Nov 2- especially with our odds of taking the Senate being less than 50%.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 20, 2010 12:52 PM (plsiE)
Don't fret none. The McRib will be outlawed soon, so you better get it, if you must, while you can.
Not at all. I will however mandate that it be free of salt, sugar and fat.
Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg- all your decision are belong to us at October 20, 2010 12:54 PM (plsiE)
Yes, but that being said, everything that he vetos, he owns right along side the dems making it possible for a conservative mainstay for several cycles. THAT'S where we can get this country back on a track to greatness.
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:55 PM (UK9cE)
Therefore making it worthless. If I don't get my daily intake of sugar, salt and fat, I wilt and die.
Posted by: Sponge at October 20, 2010 12:56 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 20, 2010 12:59 PM (xJVlJ)
No it will not be needed. We do not need ANY new laws therefore no compromise is needed. What we need is defunding of departments and sub-departments.
That can be accomplished simply be having control of the House.
Posted by: Tector Crites at October 20, 2010 01:07 PM (/jbAw)
Some degree of compromise will be needed, unfortunately. We can't get everything we want while Obama is in office no matter how well things go on Nov 2
I agree. We cannot really win... yet. We will have to work with the Democrats. But if this first big wave actually sticks to the important principles we're voting them in there to uphold, this will lead towards real change eventually, maybe by 2016. But we need to keep them honest. I don't trust the GOP further than I can throw them.
Posted by: sandy burger at October 20, 2010 01:10 PM (twiRb)
Posted by: sandy burger at October 20, 2010 05:10 PM (twiRb)
Somebody's neck has to be under our collective foot...
Posted by: Oldcat at October 20, 2010 01:12 PM (z1N6a)
No it will not be needed. We do not need ANY new laws therefore no compromise is needed. What we need is defunding of departments and sub-departments.
That can be accomplished simply be having control of the House.
It's not just a question of passing more laws, whether we need them or not. Every budget bill needs a vote and a Presidential signature. If Republicans hold fast to bigger budgets cuts than the Dems will accept, the voter will have only so much patience with a government shutdown- and guess who will get blamed?
Stuff like holding the line on earmarks- yeah, I hope they do; that's something they could get away with. Just don't expect that Republicans in Congress can be completely uncompromising when there's a liberal with a veto pen in the White House.
Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg- all your decision are belong to us at October 20, 2010 01:20 PM (plsiE)
If Republicans hold fast to bigger budgets cuts than the Dems will accept, the voter will have only so much patience with a government shutdown- and guess who will get blamed?
Not true on either count. First you break the budget bills up into individual departments and groups THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO BEGIN WITH. If he refuses to sign, tough shit he gets nothing and that individual department is shutdown.
Keep in mind that this is not Bill Clinton and the MFM of yesterday when there was no Fox and no internet. People will know what is going on AND right now the overall public would support shutting down some of these departments.
Posted by: Vic at October 20, 2010 01:26 PM (/jbAw)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 20, 2010 01:32 PM (xJVlJ)
Vic is absolutely right. A GOP house needs to break the funding bills down by department and even by program. They CAN do this.
The only thing lacking is political will. In the past, when the legacy media began to scream, the GOP backed down. Will they hold tight this time? Only if they absolutely know in their hearts that we will vote their asses out next if they don't stand fast.
Posted by: Log Cabin at October 20, 2010 01:51 PM (slOv8)
If all these crazy-ass polls are matched (or surpassed) by the expensive internal polls on the Democrat side, I'm very nervous about the next couple weeks. Who stands to lose most here besides the politicians themselves? I think a case could be made that the UAW, SEIU, AFL-CIO, NEA, and TEAMSTERS would be the huge ships caught at low tide. No longer afloat in an ocean of Fed power and cash, their membership could revolt - and screaming bus tours of CEO mansions won't do the trick.
So the question is, do unions wait till they're shipwrecked and foment organized violence among their dejected membership - or do they do something criminal before the election to try and prevent disaster. It goes without saying that some of da fellas who report to Trumka and Stern are acquaintences of guys who know guys who know guys who do things. What could they do to deflate a movement like the Tea Party. The media branding and mockery attempts have utterly failed. Charges of violence and harrassment have also proved empty.
But what if there was some real violence in the coming weeks? Some high profile violence with circumstantial linkage to Tea Party concerns? What if it was of a kind that could permanently stain the Tea Party movement in the minds of a critical 10% of independents?
Maybe I watch too many movies. Maybe I'm over-stating the desperation of unions and/or leftists that will not accept a loss of power. But I think the design of funding a permament electioneering corruption machine was knee-capped by those ACORN videos. I think the whole NBPP raucus has people keenly focused on that type of poll-place bullshit. So when you check those types of criminal activities you've put these a-holes in a tight corner in their fight to keep power. That makes me afraid that something real bad could be in the works.
Posted by: Fox Mulder's real daddy at October 20, 2010 02:22 PM (zzs8x)
You assume that the Leadership of each Union is reflecting the views of the rank and file.
Like with us and Congress, this is usually not the case.
Posted by: Robespierre at October 20, 2010 02:51 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: JackRev at October 20, 2010 08:41 PM (vKJob)
By the way, out here in the fruit and nut state, we are about to elect moonbeam again to a seat of power in this state. Because HE would NEVER take away the teachers retirement system and leave them nothing to retire on. Oh NO, not HIM or any of his BBFN buddies that are going to be hired and appointed within this state by HIM. Yea, I be laughing at my teacher wife and all her friends when she has to be working for another 20 years to make up for the next 4 years.
It's going to be a lot more worse than just losing our wallets, as the political ad says.
We are going to be SOOOOO ...... in the ... with out the Vaseline and not even getting a reach around, here in the fruit and nut state.
There, that should mostly cover it.
Posted by: Heltau at October 20, 2010 10:41 PM (RZDTZ)
"But MY Dimocrat isn't one of the bad ones."
That's going to be the refrain on Nov 3 as all these victories for the GOP fail to emerge. I have great faith in the sheeple to vote for more cargo for themselves once in the voting booth.
Prove me wrong America. I dare ya.
Vote in NO!-vember.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at October 21, 2010 08:42 AM (adr25)
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