August 04, 2010

Apocalypse Nov: Carville/Greenberg Find Republicans Lead... By Eleven Points
— Ace

Astonishing.

As noted, the Democrats may see trouble this fall because of the direction of these real economic indicators. Voters now give the Republicans a 49 to 36 percent advantage on handling the economy, the worst for Democrats in all of our polling.

For the first time in our tracking, a majority of 54 percent believes that President ObamaÂ’s economic policies have done nothing to relieve the recession and run up a record deficit; just 39 percent that believe his administrationÂ’s efforts averted a worse crisis. This is not consistent with the administrationÂ’s argument about economic success.

When asked about the vote in November, 52 percent plan to vote Republican to protest the direction of the economy – 11 points more than voting Democratic to not jeopardize the recovery.

Faughan's got the big-ass colorful charts at his site. On the economy... Oh my. Oh my. Here's one, but they're all good. In other findings, Dems are at -13 and -18 on who would handle the economy and deficit better; and more people think Dems are on the side of Wall Street than typical voters.

Click, click. You have to see it. It's brightly gory. It's like an installment of Saw produced by Pixar.

He also notes at post's end something commenters have pointed out: That when people are now polled on who they voted for (past tense) in 2008, fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%.

That's not good -- when people would rather lie to complete stranger about who they voted for than confess to having voted for you.

Posted by: Ace at 10:34 AM | Comments (88)
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1
Are we getting bamboozled?

Posted by: your fickle fiend, the summer wind at August 04, 2010 10:35 AM (uFokq)

2
flim-flammed?

Posted by: your fickle fiend, the summer wind at August 04, 2010 10:36 AM (uFokq)

3 hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: elspeth at August 04, 2010 10:36 AM (0AkWH)

4 Fap fap fap

Posted by: lorien1973 at August 04, 2010 10:36 AM (IhQuA)

5

Obamalypse coming....Democrats hardest hit.

Whoda thunk it.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at August 04, 2010 10:36 AM (ADeN1)

6 O/T Here's one you can look into Ace. Not confirmed but sure is juicy and funny. http://tinyurl.com/2bk7guk

Posted by: Pocono Joe at August 04, 2010 10:37 AM (TmgBL)

7
wow and this is without the GOP lifting a finger to condemn Obama's policies.

Imagine what it'd be like if they actually presented a case against Obama.

Posted by: your fickle fiend, the summer wind at August 04, 2010 10:37 AM (uFokq)

8
fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%

They're the ones that need to be culled.

Posted by: Dang Straights at August 04, 2010 10:40 AM (fx8sm)

9

intard says Democrats will win every race in the entire country and a bunch in other countries too.

Posted by: dummy crane at August 04, 2010 10:40 AM (VDgKF)

10
Obama didn't get 52%.

They were lined up in places like Florida for WEEKS with that absurd "early voting" and they were voting multiple times under fake names, dead names, whatever.

Posted by: your fickle fiend, the summer wind at August 04, 2010 10:43 AM (uFokq)

11
You vote for democrats - you get business killing UNIONS too.

it's a two-fer.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 04, 2010 10:43 AM (0fzsA)

12 Carville is a racist, and "Greenberg"...do I have to spell it out for you?

Posted by: denny crane at August 04, 2010 10:44 AM (VmtE9)

13 But Intrade has the Dems up by 20%!!!!



Beware. Only professional morons can use this meme safely. So back off.

Posted by: In before the troll at August 04, 2010 10:44 AM (P9+0W)

14 I thought he was okay but I swear I never voted for him.

Posted by: Peggy Noonan at August 04, 2010 10:46 AM (QKKT0)

15 brb must go print out chart and roll around on it

Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2010 10:46 AM (YBXMV)

16 "That when people are now polled on who they voted for (past tense) in 2008, fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%."

That's because ACORN voters and cemeteries don't answer polls.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 04, 2010 10:47 AM (/0IOT)

17 LALALALAICANTHEARYOUIHAVEBOTOXINMYEARSLALALALA

Posted by: San.Fran.Nan at August 04, 2010 10:47 AM (gQLr2)

18 OT: Just thought I would point this out, because I read this line.

"SSA's internal controls did not prevent improper and fraudulent payments," the GAO said.

Fed workers committing fraud. We are getting boned.  Good and proper.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2010 10:47 AM (yT8z7)

19 15 brb must go print out chart and roll around on it

Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2010 02:46 PM (YBXMV)

Pics!

Posted by: cthulhu at August 04, 2010 10:47 AM (/0IOT)

20

O/T Here's one you can look into Ace. Not confirmed but sure is juicy and funny. http://tinyurl.com/2bk7guk

In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.

There are no words......

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2010 10:48 AM (D77s2)

21 Hey, man, you don't talk to the Obama. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

Posted by: Photojournalist at August 04, 2010 10:48 AM (xxgag)

22 20  Those ugly-assed Crocs will make you do strange things......

Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 10:51 AM (UOM48)

23 while wearing a pair of Crocs.

I.  Um.  Wow.  There's a mental image I never ever ever ever ever needed.  Ever. 

Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2010 10:51 AM (YBXMV)

24 Not that surprising, when you consider the Ubergrupenfuhrer poll from yesterday: 84% wrong track among "mainstream" voters.

Posted by: toby928 at August 04, 2010 10:51 AM (8/oOq)

25

Do you suppose that Barry is actually stupid enough to believe that this will help the dem cause in the elections?

http://tinyurl.com/2352dyg

Do you suppose that there is some insane logic at work here that is informing the dems that by giving the people ever more of what they don't want, that the people will change their mind?

Yid with Lid

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2010 10:51 AM (RkRxq)

26 This is the way the fucking world ends! Look at this fucking shit we're in, man! Not with a bang, but with a whimper. And with a whimper, I'm fucking splitting, Jack.

Posted by: Photojournalist at August 04, 2010 10:52 AM (xxgag)

27 that rumor escalated quickly

Posted by: brett favre's crocs at August 04, 2010 10:52 AM (9B8os)

28 If that damn delicatessen could make my sandwich a little faster I could tell you what I think. Ooh. I've got mail.

Posted by: Matty Yglesias at August 04, 2010 10:54 AM (R4rMI)

29 Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others... even the opinions of yourself?

Posted by: Obama at August 04, 2010 10:54 AM (xxgag)

30 20

O/T Here's one you can look into Ace. Not confirmed but sure is juicy and funny. http://tinyurl.com/2bk7guk

In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.

There are no words......

I just read a little of it and figured I'd send it here for a few laughs.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at August 04, 2010 10:54 AM (TmgBL)

31 #12  Is that the real denny crane or a sock?  I'm hoping for the troll's sake it's a sock.  No one should go through life that stupid.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 10:54 AM (UOM48)

32 You're Welcome Bammer!

Posted by: BP at August 04, 2010 10:55 AM (R4rMI)

33 Not sure yet, but I think I might like this new photojournalist commenter.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2010 10:55 AM (yT8z7)

34

Imagine what it'd be like if they actually presented a case against Obama.

Or, even better, if they had a genuine plan to turn the economy around using things like *gasp* tax cuts, things that actually, you know, work in the real world.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 04, 2010 10:55 AM (i3AsK)

35

It pains me to report that earfuls of wonderment and happiness on Capitol Hill are in dangerously short supply and we therefore have no choice but to implement a strict system of rationing.

Posted by: Sen. Harry Reid (D) Hades at August 04, 2010 10:56 AM (QKKT0)

36 The only sock I use is for hiding the spray bottle....

Posted by: denny crane at August 04, 2010 10:56 AM (VmtE9)

37 Hey that's me in the crocs, dammit!

Posted by: Will Folks at August 04, 2010 10:56 AM (yT8z7)

38

If you click through to the Citizen Opinion site and the PDF of the graphs, the last graph in the series seems to be a nail in the Democrats' coffin:

First Statement: Obama and the Democrats are more concerned with creating jobs for ordinary Americans.

Second Statement: Obama and the Democrats are more concerned with bailing out Wall Street.

 41 percent agree with the first, 47 percent agree with the second.  Obama and the Democrats are now firmly associated with protecting the rich instead of helping the poor: they are now seen as exactly what they have always claimed the GOP to be.

Posted by: stuiec at August 04, 2010 10:57 AM (7AOgy)

39 22 20  Those ugly-assed Crocs will make you do strange things......

Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 02:51 PM (UOM4

It just struck me. You know who probably has a pair of Crocs? I wouldn't put it past him at all, what with the bicycle helmet.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at August 04, 2010 10:58 AM (TmgBL)

40 We gettin' killed down heah!

Posted by: Jimmuh "meds? what meds?" Carville at August 04, 2010 10:58 AM (Ulu3i)

41 they are now seen as exactly what they have always claimed the GOP to be.

To paraphrase Denny Green, they are what they thought we were?

Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2010 10:59 AM (YBXMV)

42

He also notes at post's end something commenters have pointed out: That when people are now polled on who they voted for (past tense) in 2008, fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%.

5% of the voters were dead at the time they voted. However it's real damn difficult to poll a dead person.

Posted by: harleycowboy at August 04, 2010 10:59 AM (2tyTY)

43 39  Slublog could do an awesome photoshop of Barky in crocs and a bike helmet.  Oh, and those tight bike pants.  Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 11:00 AM (UOM48)

44 He stuck 'is thumb up my butthole.

Posted by: brett favre's crocs at August 04, 2010 11:00 AM (mHQ7T)

45 That's not good -- when people would rather lie to complete stranger about who they voted for than confess to having voted for you.

An interesting way to solve both post purchase regret and rationalization. Just deny having purchased the product at all.

And we shall never speak of this again

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 04, 2010 11:00 AM (0q2P7)

46 Psychotic Cajuns hardest hit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 04, 2010 11:00 AM (i3AsK)

47 36 Burn!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 04, 2010 11:01 AM (mHQ7T)

48 There do seem to be fewer Barky bumper stickers lately.  The idiots still driving around with them need to be re-educated.  Soon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 11:01 AM (UOM48)

49
That poll is meaningless because it didn't include the most dependable Democrat voter group evah.

Posted by: Zombie Voters of America at August 04, 2010 11:01 AM (rMMMP)

50  So let's establish a long-winded metaphor here.  You're a girl, let's say your name is America, and you were in a long-term relationship with a guy - let's call him W - who started off okay, even caught a purse-snatcher and beat the snot out of him. 

Then he started going off the rails a little, he let go of the purse-snatcher to chase a guy that he thought might mug him.  He went out to drink with Ted Kennedy a couple too many times.  Just generally got kind of irritating, stopped listening to you, and you realized that you were really annoyed by his big ears.   When he put your money in a bank that was going broke you got really mad.

So next time you decided to have a fling with a guy who was as unlike the last guy as possible.  Entirely reasonable.

Except that six weeks into the new relationship you realized he'd named his genital wart and liked to talk to it.  He spoke authoritatively about everything, but couldn't actually do anything without calling all the buddies he'd known at Harvard.  He'd spent weeks telling you about how different he was than the last guy, but then you noticed he went to all the same restaurants as W.   He had a lot of brilliant friends but every time you were near them they were trying to pick your pocket.  And then he started lecturing you about all your bad habits.

By now you're thinking homosexuality might be a really good idea.


Posted by: JEM at August 04, 2010 11:01 AM (o+SC1)

51

Michigan had a huge rightward tilt happen last night. I know many Dems who voted for Rick Snyder, who is pretty damned close to the libertarian ideal candidate.

Those scumsucking Democrat morons fucked themselves but good this time.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at August 04, 2010 11:02 AM (tcSZb)

52

Historians of varying stripes and neuroses point to the Civil Rights era of the 1960s as the period when the Republicans lost the black vote (I know, I know, it's based on nonsense, but conventional wisdom).

I'm thinking the Dempression will be the era when the Democrats lost the white vote. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 04, 2010 11:02 AM (8lCJT)

53 By now you're thinking homosexuality might be a really good idea.

*slides over*  Hi, America, how you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2010 11:02 AM (YBXMV)

54

5% of the voters were dead at the time they voted. However it's real damn difficult to poll a dead person.

Posted by: harleycowboy at August 04, 2010 02:59 PM

How the hell hard can it be to talk to dead people? Osama Obama does it every time he justifies his shitty totalitarian actions by saying "I talked to experts and they agree with me...."

Posted by: J. Pinkerton Snoopington at August 04, 2010 11:03 AM (Ulu3i)

55

 By now you're thinking homosexuality might be a really good idea.

If America can land a man on the moon, it can surely shoot a gerbil to Uranus. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 04, 2010 11:04 AM (8lCJT)

56 brb must go print out chart and roll around on it

Posted by: alexthechick

 

No hurry; take your time. You missed a spot, yes right over there.

 

This isn't the ONT?

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2010 11:05 AM (R2fpr)

57

By now you're thinking homosexuality might be a really good idea.

Yes, and if that last guy doesn't put the nail in that coffin, the thought of Favre strokin' it in a pair of Crocs should officially seal the deal.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2010 11:05 AM (D77s2)

58 when people are now polled on who they voted for (past tense) in 2008, fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%.

bleeding heart liberal white guilt

Posted by: I'm on vacation at August 04, 2010 11:05 AM (H+LJc)

59 How will Olbermann explain this revelation? Who knew Greenberg and Carville were neo-Nazis?

Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2010 11:06 AM (AZGON)

60 5% of the voters were dead at the time they voted.

Turning over in their graves now.

Posted by: I'm on vacation at August 04, 2010 11:06 AM (H+LJc)

61

There do seem to be fewer Barky bumper stickers lately.  The idiots still driving around with them need to be re-educated.  Soon.

i noticed many of them have faded, i guess they were poorly made.

Posted by: Ben at August 04, 2010 11:07 AM (wuv1c)

62 5% of the voters were dead at the time they voted. However it's real damn difficult to poll a dead person. Come again? Mayor Daley has no trouble at all with this.

Posted by: Dead Voters at August 04, 2010 11:07 AM (AZGON)

63 44 He stuck 'is thumb up my butthole.
Posted by: brett favre's crocs at August 04, 2010 03:00 PM (mHQ7T)

I bet that really pissed yer off.

Posted by: real joe at August 04, 2010 11:07 AM (IpIBJ)

64 CROX is up 1.5% today.. just sayin'

Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at August 04, 2010 11:07 AM (f9c2L)

65

How will Olbermann explain this revelation? Who knew Greenberg and Carville were neo-Nazis?

they will explain this the same way they explain the Prop C vote tonight, they will ignore it

Posted by: Ben at August 04, 2010 11:07 AM (wuv1c)

66

5% of the voters were dead at the time they voted. However it's real damn difficult to poll a dead person.

Posted by: harleycowboy at August 04, 2010 02:59 PM

Actually, it's surprisingly easy-peasy.  Just watch me.

Posted by: John Edwards at August 04, 2010 11:08 AM (2g2ex)

67 Recently in Mendocino, Clownifornia... plenty of Obastard swag still up. Even a 6x8' banner on a house. Some varieties of stupid just don't go away, especially in the Fool's Golden State.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2010 11:08 AM (AZGON)

68 22 20 Those ugly-assed Crocs will make you do strange things...... Posted by: Jane D'oh, boorish tea partier at August 04, 2010 02:51 PM (UOM4 What do you I was wearing, white devil?! (Too soon?)

Posted by: Omar Thornton, Black Avenger at August 04, 2010 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

69 By now you're thinking homosexuality might be a really good idea.

So, it's Sarah Palin, on the rebound, for our girl.

Posted by: toby928 at August 04, 2010 11:09 AM (8/oOq)

70

If America can land a man on the moon, it can surely shoot a gerbil to Uranus. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 04, 2010 03:04 PM (8lCJT)

Now thats a program I can get behind!

Posted by: Richard Gere at August 04, 2010 11:10 AM (pr+up)

71 *slides over*  Hi, America, how you doin'?

Not so good.  Barry brought Timmy over for dinner last night and now all the spoons are gone.

Posted by: America at August 04, 2010 11:11 AM (o+SC1)

72

And..whats wrong with crocs??

 

Posted by: Richard Gere at August 04, 2010 11:11 AM (pr+up)

73 20

O/T Here's one you can look into Ace. Not confirmed but sure is juicy and funny. http://tinyurl.com/2bk7guk

In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.

There are no words......

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2010 02:48 PM (D77s2)

Pass me the damn ball?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 04, 2010 11:12 AM (YVZlY)

74 This is merely the frustration of Clinton apparatchiks still sore from the fall of Hillary. The nation approves of the moderate governance Obama has offered us. Ignore this poll. Only the wrong sort of conservatives believe negativity of this stripe. Being Canadian, I can step back with objectivity. By the way, I just lost control of my bowels. It seems to happen frequently these days. It can't be the baby food or the pills. It's almost as if I were reverting to infantile habits. Like this binky. If it were dick-flavored, it would be even better.

Posted by: David Frum at August 04, 2010 11:13 AM (AZGON)

75

Carville/Greenberg Find Republicans Lead... By Eleven Points

 

eleventy!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PR at August 04, 2010 11:13 AM (k7SeR)

76

Hell, the questions should have been:

1) I'm voting Democrat to keep the fundamental transformation of America going.

2) I'm voting Republican to stop the insane, out of control, federal government from destroying our country.

Instead we get:

1) I'm voting Democrat to not jeapordize the recovery (subconscious hint: the economy is doing find, Republicans will destroy it)

2) I'm voting Republican to protest the direction of the economy (subconscious hint: even though the economy is doing fine, its a protest vote, for racists teabaggers)

Posted by: Prof. Venkman at August 04, 2010 11:13 AM (4JpPD)

77 61 They, like his promises, had expiration dates.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheThousandAcreWood at August 04, 2010 11:14 AM (IkEhE)

78 Malignant narcissist. Could get interesting.

Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2010 11:15 AM (6GjHP)

79 "However it's real damn difficult to poll a dead person." You must be new.

Posted by: Momo Giancana at August 04, 2010 11:27 AM (R4rMI)

80 He also notes at post's end something commenters have pointed out: That when people are now polled on who they voted for (past tense) in 2008, fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%. That's not good -- when people would rather lie to complete stranger about who they voted for than confess to having voted for you. From the poll. Q.103 (ASK IF VOTED IN VOTE0 In the 2008 election for president, did you vote for Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Likely Drop-Off Obama 45 61 McCain 46 30 Drop-off means not likely to vote in 2010. That means that those not likely to vote in Nov break for Obama over 2 to 1!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 04, 2010 11:32 AM (UjfXH)

81

Am I the only one that thought this was funny?

"You have to see it. It's brightly gory. It's like an installment of Saw produced by Pixar."

Oh fsck! That one's a keeper.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at August 04, 2010 11:33 AM (oIp16)

82 fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%.

That's not good -- when people would rather lie to complete stranger about who they voted for than confess to having voted for you.


To be fair, all those voters that ACORN created out of thin air probably don't have telephones or internet connections, so they can't be easily counted.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 04, 2010 11:37 AM (eNxMU)

83 #48  You should see what is happening in Chicago (Ground '0') !! I sit about half a mile from Grant Park and they are spreading salt on the ground, Old Testament Style.

Posted by: barbarians at the gate at August 04, 2010 12:52 PM (HP25e)

84

Back in 1972, Nixon won just about every state, I think McGovern won MA but that was it.  Lots of people voted for Nixon.  By the end of Watergate, you couldn't find anybody who would admit to voting for him. 

Obama will go down the same way, he's becoming toxic.  Unfortunately for us, the very real damage Obama has done/continues to do to the USA will persist long after he's voted out of office.  Watergate had zero effect on the private lives of anybody other than Nixon White House insiders. 

Posted by: Boots at August 04, 2010 02:15 PM (06JTY)

85

fewer people than 52% admit they voted for Obama. It's something like 47%.

What makes you think they're lying?  Dems, vote fraud, yada yada yada...

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 05, 2010 01:10 AM (QQ9sc)

86 This only matters if Republicans are capable of actually fixing anything. There's no evidence they are. "We won't keep breaking it as badly" is not an argument for success.

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