March 08, 2010

Appeals For Calm in Nigeria After Muslims Butcher 500 Christiansia
— Ace

Horrific.

It's not just a religious war. It's a Range War style fight, with farmers against cattle-grazers. In this case, though, the farmers are almost all Christian and the cattle-grazers all Muslims.

Funerals took place for victims of the three-hour orgy of violence on Sunday in three Christian villages close to the northern city of Jos, blamed on members of the mainly Muslim Fulani ethnic group.

While troops were deployed to the villages to prevent new attacks, security forces detained 95 suspects but faced bitter criticism over how the killers were able to go on the rampage at a time when a curfew was meant to be in force.

Media reported that Muslim residents of the villages in Plateau state had been warned by phone text message, two days prior to the attack, so they could make good their escape before the exit points were sealed off.

Survivors said the attackers were able to separate the Fulanis from members of the rival Berom group by chanting 'nagge', the Fulani word for cattle. Those who failed to respond in the same language were hacked to death.

One local paper said the gangs shouted Allah Akhbar (God is Great) before breaking into homes and setting them alight in the early hours of Sunday. Churches were among the buildings that were burned down.

...

"We have over 500 killed in three villages and the survivors are busy burying their dead," said state information commissioner Gregory Yenlong.

"People were attacked with axes, daggers and cutlasses -- many of them children, the aged and pregnant women."

Much of the violence was centred around the village of Dogo Nahawa, where gangs set fire to straw-thatched mud huts as they went on their rampage.

The explosion of violence is the latest between rival ethnic and religious groups. In January 326 people died in clashes in and around Jos, according to police although rights activists put the overall toll at more than 550.

"The attack is yet another jihad and provocation," the Plateau State Christian Elders Consulatative Forum (PSCEF) said.

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1 More peace from the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 08, 2010 03:29 PM (JrRME)

2 Hey, that reminds us, it's about time for another condemnation of Israel.

Posted by: UN Civil Rights Commission at March 08, 2010 03:30 PM (XIXhw)

3 This would all end if Christians everywhere would just die off.

Posted by: Enlightened Liberal at March 08, 2010 03:31 PM (X2xSP)

4 Disgusting.  When will we learn you cannot negotiate?  Kill or be killed, it is the muslim way.

Posted by: CDR M at March 08, 2010 03:31 PM (s9bza)

5 If you like the barbaric religion you have, you can keep it.

Posted by: This is Obama at March 08, 2010 03:32 PM (GRgk4)

6 If the Republicans would just pass health care, things like this would cease to happen.

Posted by: Cambridge Masshole at March 08, 2010 03:32 PM (X2xSP)

7
I would LOVE to see them try that shit in Texas.  God-damned scum.

Posted by: Dang at March 08, 2010 03:32 PM (UA4gE)

8 The Muslims were simply protesting against the inequitable distribution of resources. And no health care.

Posted by: Marxist Deep Thinker at March 08, 2010 03:33 PM (X2xSP)

9 This is Bush's fault, right?

Posted by: Bosk at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (pUO5u)

10 Remeber 9/11?

Posted by: thiswing plover at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (AlREO)

11  Christians deserve this. They have raped Mother Earth.

Posted by: The Guy Teaching Your Kids at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (X2xSP)

12 cattle grazers -> ranchers -> meateaters -> Gaia-haters -> Teabaggers!!!

Posted by: sinestrosphere at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (XIXhw)

13 you, know, it would help if Muslim "leaders" would condemn these acts of barbarism, but.....crickets chirping. Until then, I consider their silence to be complicity

Posted by: Ombudsman at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (y4B2y)

14 "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.  A sword or an AK.  Actually, go with the AK."

Posted by: Stuff Jesus said at March 08, 2010 03:34 PM (ZkrG9)

15
There's an anger/hatred in the Muslim soul that we can't even fathom.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 08, 2010 03:35 PM (0fzsA)

16 THIS IS THE GREATEST HORRIFIC INJUSTICE EVAH!!

(oh wait...the Christians were murdered?)

Carry on.

Posted by: Liberal Journalist at March 08, 2010 03:35 PM (X2xSP)

17 Christians -> colonialists -> oppressors --> deserved it!!!

Posted by: also sinestrosphere (in hte next breath) at March 08, 2010 03:35 PM (XIXhw)

18 INFIDELS!!!...bombs, machetes, AK's, RPG's...whatever it takes!

Posted by: Muslim EntreprenuersLLC at March 08, 2010 03:36 PM (5qJM5)

19 Radical Christianity is just as threatening.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at March 08, 2010 03:36 PM (LrX0R)

20 There's an anger/hatred in the Muslim soul that we can't even fathom.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 08, 2010 07:35 PM (0fzsA)

We can fathom it.  We're just not allowed to nuke it.

Posted by: The US military at March 08, 2010 03:36 PM (ZkrG9)

21 Obama couldn't sell machetes to angry Muslims.

Posted by: Ran Dather at March 08, 2010 03:37 PM (4z23c)

22 I believe I saw this on an episode of Gunsmoke when I was a kid. Hoss hated Christians. Hated them.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 08, 2010 03:37 PM (I1/U/)

23 So now that the Muslims have murdered at will, the Christians have to exercise "restraint". Riiight.

Posted by: Iblis at March 08, 2010 03:38 PM (9221z)

24 Mr Dang I assume you thought about Ft Hood right as you hit send.

Posted by: billypaintbrush at March 08, 2010 03:39 PM (kCLi2)

25 Damn the restraint.  Hunt down the murderers.   Would this call for "restraint" be given if the groups were switched?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 08, 2010 03:39 PM (otlXg)

26 While we don't condone the sudden deaths of 500 people, what really must be feared is the backlash against muslims.


Posted by: Inside the Liberal Mind at March 08, 2010 03:39 PM (sYxEE)

27 The Bush admin, when they had balls in the early years, spoke about how the 'terrierests' (a.k.a. muslim animals) did not value life as we do. Wise words. The muslims, like chimps and other dumb beasts, put very little value in their own lives and the lives of others. When you slaughter a goat or an infidel and use it's head to play soccer in a dirt field...

Posted by: thiswing plover at March 08, 2010 03:40 PM (GRgk4)

28 Dr.Spank Hoss was Bonanza,but he did hate Gunsmoke

Posted by: bulwark at March 08, 2010 03:40 PM (PO/9k)

29 27 While we don't condone the sudden deaths of 500 people, what really must be feared is the backlash against muslims.

Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner!!

Posted by: The MSM at March 08, 2010 03:41 PM (OKZrE)

30

I'm not sure what the problem is here..

This is just the natural strife between the proles on their way from the evils of capitalism to the peaceful paradise of communism.

 

huh? whaa? they've already had 50 years of commie & socialist leaders?

Well then, how about we try it in America!!!  I'll tell my friend Barry

 

Sincerely,

Karl Marx

Posted by: Karl Marx at March 08, 2010 03:41 PM (9vQ7f)

31 I'm sure Al Gore is rejoicing in the reduction of CO2.

Posted by: CDR M at March 08, 2010 03:43 PM (s9bza)

32 I'm the first one to admit that Muslims want to kill/convert infidels and steal their stuff but all too many disputes in Africa still end in mass slaughter with sharp weapons, with religion being irrelevant.  See: Rwanda.

Of course Europeans do the same thing with different sorts of weapons.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 08, 2010 03:43 PM (XXHXQ)

33 29
Dr.Spank

Hoss was Bonanza,but he did hate Gunsmoke

But oh how he loved Hop Sing's pork roasts.

Posted by: whatever at March 08, 2010 03:43 PM (XIXhw)

34 "People were attacked with axes, daggers and cutlasses -- many of them children, the aged and pregnant women."

What a barbaric people, who makes it a practice to kill innocents first. 

Posted by: Miss'80s at March 08, 2010 03:43 PM (sZ+lP)

35 We in the civilized world, unlike 3rd world nations, cannot comprehend violence on this level.  Understanding it is not neccessary.  That being said, it is neccessary that we recognize its existance and be willing to stand against it when it seeks to spread into the civilized world.  That's what we are up against in the Islamist movement.  I listened to Krauthammer make disparaging remarks against  Geert Wilders.  I would think, Krauthammer, as a Jew, would have a better appreciation of the situation Europe has gotton itself into.  Rampant immigration of Muslims, along with higher birth rates among the new immigrants has put Europe on a path to becoming a Muslim continent.  If a free and open Muslim country or society exists, I am not aware of it.  Limiting immigration of Muslims to Europe is only part of the solution to their problems.  Being willing to speak the truth is now a dangerous but neccessary thing.  Just ask the Dutch Movie maker that made a movie that criticized the way women are treated by Islam.  Muslims who are not Islamists have not shown a great willingness to clean up their own house.  Its tough when peer pressure includes beheading, honor killing and a variety of murder techniques for stepping out of line. 

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 08, 2010 03:43 PM (rurh0)

36 I know there were clashes in the west of the USA between farmers and cattle ranchers back in the day.

The question is were the numbers of deaths so much lower here due to religion or our 2nd amendment right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 08, 2010 03:44 PM (zBxXz)

37 You're right bulwark. Been sick, off my game.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 08, 2010 03:44 PM (I1/U/)

38 Obama couldn't sell fissile materials to Iranians.

Posted by: MSM at March 08, 2010 03:44 PM (5qJM5)

39

I have been donating to groups who provide basic staples of life in that region.

Namely to James Robinson and another for orphaned children of Africa. WTF What kind of mentality thinks it is the manly thing to do slaughtering women and children by hacking them to death with a machette?

Posted by: sonnyspats at March 08, 2010 03:45 PM (68tQb)

40 Nigeria's acting President is named Goodluck Jonathon???

Posted by: CDR M at March 08, 2010 03:45 PM (s9bza)

41 36 We in the civilized world, unlike 3rd world nations, cannot comprehend violence on this level.






That isn't what I was thinking when I visited the Holocaust Museum in DC last week.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 08, 2010 03:46 PM (XXHXQ)

42 35 "People were attacked with axes, daggers and cutlasses -- many of them children, the aged and pregnant women."

What a barbaric people, who makes it a practice to kill innocents first. 

Posted by: Miss'80s at March 08, 2010 07:43 PM (sZ+lP) 

They had Cutlasses?...where'd they fuel up at?...wonder if they were old-school 442's...



Posted by: MSM at March 08, 2010 03:46 PM (5qJM5)

43 #35  What a barbaric people, who makes it a practice to kill innocents first.

That's just your ignorance talking.  This is the culture of Africa.  Besides, who are we in the US to judge?  After all, the US has caused the majority of evil acts in teh world!!!!11!!!!!eleventy. 

Posted by: Liberal Humanities Major (but I repeat myself) at March 08, 2010 03:46 PM (otlXg)

44 Buzzsaw - God made man, Colonel Colt made them equal.

Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2010 03:47 PM (CPefM)

45 We all know if you just sacrifice my people, the Jews, those crazy Muslims will leave everyone else alone.

Posted by: mpfs at March 08, 2010 03:47 PM (QuP9W)

46

 no more chickpeas, corn oil, onion, pickled cucumber or chilies b,fava beans  turnips !falefels for anyone!

 

Posted by: willow at March 08, 2010 03:48 PM (7FgWm)

47 How is what they did any worse than the stereotyping of ALL muslims you wingnuts do on this site every day?

/sarc, since, upon reading that, it actually needs it pointed out.

Posted by: Average Liberal at March 08, 2010 03:48 PM (MMC8r)

48 Gee, how did I know when I first saw a two sentence news-crawl about "500 killed in religious violence" two days ago (and that I haven't seen reported in a full news story since) that it was Christians being killed by Muslims? I must be psychic or something. See you folks, I've got to go buy some 'you pick the numbers' lottery tickets.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 08, 2010 03:48 PM (KdA1d)

49
25 Mr Dang
I assume you thought about Ft Hood right as you hit send. Posted by: billypaintbrush

You mean the incident in the Ft Hood "gun free zone"?  Yeah,  I did think of that.

Posted by: Dang at March 08, 2010 03:49 PM (UA4gE)

50 Jesus. What year are we in again? Hell, what century is it?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 08, 2010 03:49 PM (gofDd)

51 The best missionaries are the ones that bring guns and ammo and train the converts to defend and protect their new faith.


John J. Rambo: Are you bringing any weapons?
Burnett: Of course not.
John J. Rambo: You're not changing anything.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2010 03:51 PM (I/MqP)

52 It would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity became a victim.

- Stupid Shit Gen. Casey said

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 08, 2010 03:51 PM (mhMOx)

53 Good thing the British got kicked out/left Africa. Imagine how horrible it would be if they still ruled the continent!

/sarc

Posted by: wherestherum at March 08, 2010 03:52 PM (gofDd)

54 I have no facts at all but those Christians acted stupidly.

Posted by: Obama at March 08, 2010 03:52 PM (7GgDy)

55
African Christians need guns and a copy of the movie Zulu.

Posted by: Dang at March 08, 2010 03:53 PM (UA4gE)

56 I have no facts at all but those Christians acted stupidly.


If they trusted Islam to act peacefully, yeah.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 08, 2010 03:53 PM (I/MqP)

57 Baldilocks, your comment-fu is strong.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 08, 2010 03:54 PM (mhMOx)

58 45 MSM at March 08, 2010 07:46 PM (5qJM5)

The W-455  intakes?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 08, 2010 03:54 PM (zBxXz)

59 #54  John J. Rambo: Are you bringing any weapons?
Burnett: Of course not.
John J. Rambo: You're not changing anything.

One of the best parts of Rambo IV was when Burnett killed that Burmese soldier and had that shocked look on his face. 

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 08, 2010 03:55 PM (otlXg)

60 Baldilocks,  You have made two comments comparing Europe to the Muslims.  Let's not forget the Nazi's Facisists bear the the nearest affinity to the current Facists of Islam.  Sadam was a big fan of Mein Kampf. WWII was over 3 generations ago.  The world went to war to stop them.  Eisenhauer had a lot of photos made to make sure it was never forgotten.  We are not fighting WWII now.  Actually Germany is as threatened by Islamists, as the rest of the world.  No, civilized people (60+ years removed from the horrors of the holocaust) can't understand barbarism.  I don't get how or why you are trying to make a comparison from then to now.  What service it would perform unless it is that you also wish people would wake up to the threat we face and quit cowering at the alter of political correctness.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 08, 2010 03:56 PM (rurh0)

61 According to the excerpt, Muslims warned fellow Muslims using phone-texting.  The idea that this is just some primitive crap we civilized folks would never be able to comprehend is just bullhockey.  This is Islam, pure and simple. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 08, 2010 03:56 PM (eNxMU)

62 In the long run the agrarian, community builders usually win these wars, absent outside influence.

They need to lager up, establish a communication system, put out OPs, and arm themselves.  Step two, in the dry season - poison the water sources the Muslims use.  Step three, have lots of kids - build more lagers. Step four, establish a non-free range source of cattle (feed lots, etc).  Repeat for a decade or two. 


Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2010 03:56 PM (CPefM)

63 So the town was called Jos and the people Christian? Interesting. Anyway I always am reminded of what a wise old Pope once said in regards to this sort of behavior. Imagine all the new things Mohammed will bring once his disciples have mastered hydrogen fusion. 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."

Posted by: nacho cheese at March 08, 2010 04:05 PM (crDIp)

64 I am just so glad we have an objective media who go to American Islam leaders and ask if they condemn this violence and if not why not. Oh wait, nevermind

Posted by: PaleRider at March 08, 2010 04:05 PM (dkExz)

65 That isn't what I was thinking when I visited the Holocaust Museum in DC last week.

Europe is civilized?

Posted by: mesablue at March 08, 2010 04:08 PM (CbF4r)

66

Europe is civilized?

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: Ronster at March 08, 2010 04:10 PM (Xu6d3)

67 Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 08, 2010 07:56 PM (rurh0)

I can't/won't speak for Baldilocks, but what I took away from her comment is that if we as civilized people can't comprehend this kind of violence then that is a problem in itself, as it means we have forgotten Man's propensity for evil.  The Holocaust Museum serves to keep us from forgetting that.

Posted by: whatever at March 08, 2010 04:11 PM (XIXhw)

68

Funerals took place for victims of the three-hour orgy of violence on Sunday in three Christian villages close to the northern city of Jos, blamed on members of the mainly Muslim Fulani ethnic group.

Just as long as we are clear whom to blame. (the Jo[o]s)

/sarc

Posted by: In Exile at March 08, 2010 04:17 PM (Dw6L6)

69 64 According to the excerpt, Muslims warned fellow Muslims using phone-texting.  The idea that this is just some primitive crap we civilized folks would never be able to comprehend is just bullhockey.  This is Islam, pure and simple. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 08, 2010 07:56 PM (eNxMU)



Last year in the Congo, a rumour was spread that witches were stealing men's penises using black magic.

They spread the rumour using text messages.  Primitive cultures can still use hi-tech gadgets





Posted by: fozzy at March 08, 2010 04:17 PM (ccEuN)

70 63 Baldilocks,  You have made two comments comparing Europe to the Muslims.







Wrong.  The first one compared Africans and Europeans.  The second one was a codicil to the first.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 08, 2010 04:23 PM (XXHXQ)

71 I wish we could do that and get away with it.  Just slaughter a couple hundred Muslims and the World just shrugs and says, "eh, they're Christians.  What do you expect?"  That would be awesome.  I envy the Muslims and their violence.

Posted by: RickS at March 08, 2010 04:24 PM (hKB1N)

72 I can't/won't speak for Baldilocks, but what I took away from her comment is that if we as civilized people can't comprehend this kind of violence then that is a problem in itself, as it means we have forgotten Man's propensity for evil.  The Holocaust Museum serves to keep us from forgetting that.

Posted by: whatever at March 08, 2010 08:11 PM (XIXhw)






Perfect.  Thank you.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 08, 2010 04:25 PM (XXHXQ)

73 Hello, Europe.  This is coming to a theatre near you.  Damn it to hell.  Keep on ignoring these "peaceful" bastards.  I only hope the U.S. will end up with the leadership to keep this from happening here.  Notice I said "end up."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 08, 2010 04:25 PM (UOM48)

74 Sort of OT but not really.

It's interesting that European countries invited folks from Africa and the Middle East to immigrate.  The reason they had to do this was because of the great masses of white Europeans who had been killed off by their "brothers" in the two world wars on battle fields, in gas chambers or in dank forests where no one would see...

Posted by: baldilocks at March 08, 2010 04:33 PM (XXHXQ)

75 Religion of peace.

Posted by: John at March 08, 2010 04:35 PM (6FYZ6)

76 This just proves that Nigeria has common sense gun  laws.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 08, 2010 04:41 PM (Vol3D)

77 the movie Tears of the Sun wasn't ALL fictional, you know.

Posted by: manofaiki at March 08, 2010 04:42 PM (uSh7j)

Posted by: anyhu at March 08, 2010 04:49 PM (WYfJV)

79 I hope Nigeria's diversity doesn't become a casualty.

Posted by: Gen. Dumazabaggahammers at March 08, 2010 04:54 PM (8/KZN)

80 Were the French involved in this one too?  (ok, that was sort of a mean tempered quip pointed at Rwanda, but it's true nonetheless)

Posted by: unknown jane at March 08, 2010 04:58 PM (5/yRG)

81 Islamist massacre? What Islamist Massacre? Fuck you, ace, for disenfranchising another wonderful friend for political profit.

Posted by: Purple Assvenger at March 08, 2010 05:02 PM (M+D3l)

82 sickinmass - Your commitment to human freedom is laudable.  I love your ideas for brainwashing people who don't think as you do.  Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

Posted by: fozzy at March 08, 2010 05:04 PM (ccEuN)

83

Posted by: sickinmass at March 08, 2010 08:59 PM (1rflU)

So tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: ErikW at March 08, 2010 05:08 PM (UIk4D)

84 sickinmass - "I just live and let live"
sickin mass - "the need of the day would be to come up with workable creative ideas for brainwashing the remaining religious fanatics with techniques like anesthesia leading to amnesia and re-education of such brainwashed ex-religious fanatics; or the use of mass lobotomy to achieve the same result."

You're the world's first live and let live fascist!!!!

Posted by: fozzy at March 08, 2010 05:13 PM (ccEuN)

85 89 - Violent monotheism is a criminal response which has brought our world to where it is today, post September 11th. Harsh? Eat shit.

Oh goody. One of those "religion is the cause of all the wars in the world" types. Kick those two retarded fucking braincells of yours awake and pay attention:

Roll call of Mass Murderers of the 20th Century:
-Josef Stalin (Communist/Atheist) - 20,000,000 dead
-Mao Tse Tung (Communist/Atheist) - 30-60,000,000 dead
-Pol Pot (Communist/Atheist) -2.5 million dead
-Adolph Hitler (National Socialist/Agnostic?Atheist?) 14-20 million dead (not counting those killed as a result of the war)

Think before you let fly.


Posted by: Bitsko at March 08, 2010 05:15 PM (8/KZN)

86

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Posted by: shape ups shoes at March 08, 2010 05:19 PM (NA8ag)

87 Sickinmass, I don't like religious fanatics and I despise jihadist assholes as much as you do, but your own previous posts indicate how irrational "rational humanists" can be. Fanatical atheistic fuck-sticks are as dangerous as religious fanatics; more so, since there's no regulating system of any kind. By the time people like you get done weeding out all the people you consider irrational, you'll look like any other group of sick intolerant fucks. Harsh? Eat shit and die.

Posted by: Bitsko at March 08, 2010 05:30 PM (8/KZN)

88 Sorry, I went overboard on that last post. Not too rational of me either. Apologies to the morons. Sickinmass, I guess we're both sick of fanatics, but we can't become them, either.

Posted by: Bitsko at March 08, 2010 05:32 PM (8/KZN)

89 At some point, and we aren't there yet, Muslims will kill the wrong person, or slaughter the wrong school children, or blow up the wrong bus of old people, or nuke the wrong city....

And at that point, we will collectively say, "Enough is enough."  And we will kill every last muslim fuck who ever took off his shoes to pray. 

muslims are sick vile fucks.  They invent nothing, create nothing but death.

This is a promise:  the next mass attack by muslims against the US will see me getting a gun and burning out the nearest mosque. 

My life sucks, anyway.  I'll do the time.

Posted by: Jack at March 08, 2010 05:34 PM (bvDV5)

90

 The best missionaries are the ones that bring guns and ammo and train the converts to defend and protect their new faith.     Posted by: sTevo at March 08, 2010 07:45 PM (eA3tl)

The BEST missionaries are the Dogs Of War. End of story and end of problem.

Posted by: Mr. Wamrth at March 08, 2010 05:43 PM (3IZGh)

91 Sickinmass,
Done and done. Where I think we can agree is that we had a great thing in this country in that we could disagree, but still talk about it, and accept it when we were voted down. But there are so many that have now made a god out of unreason and chaos, who worship a corpse-god that they drag out of the swamp of their own worst impulses. They cannot create anything of value, but they can sure as hell destroy. I can accept the type of religious feeling that is awed by the power of the mind and of the possibilities of free will. What I can't accept are those who reject logic and reason, who would either drag us back to a place that never was, or throw out the good with the bad and propel us forward off a cliff. "By their works, ye shall know them." I guess that's all we really have to go on.

Posted by: Bitsko at March 08, 2010 05:53 PM (8/KZN)

92 >>The need of our age is to start with the destruction of the most blood-thirsty form of religious fanaticism; "Islam", followed up with the dovetailing of all other forms of religious fanaticism so that they move over and make way for rational-humanism. To make it more subtle; the need is for religion and religious fanaticism to move out of human minds and be replaced by rational-humanism.<<

Nobody's pushing you in the church door. Suppose you go to hell in your own way, hmm?

Posted by: Kerry at March 08, 2010 06:21 PM (Z0EF7)

93

Betcha we all End up in the same place!

Where's that?

Posted by: ErikW at March 08, 2010 07:05 PM (UIk4D)

94

Baldilocks, first I didn't realize you were a her.  I will try to keep my genders straight.  We are all on the same page.  The quibble is on understanding vs accepting reality without understanding.  I can't understand the mind of a sociopath.  Saying God says its okay to commit acts of mayhem and cruelty is not acceptable, whether the voice in your head tells you to or it comes from your emam. 

Hitler and his movement started small.  It was tolerated or ignored untill it came to be feared.  I rail against the cowardice of being politically correct. 

Understanding at the deepest level the righteousness of the Islamist would be a like becoming an FBI profiler.  One who immerses his mind into the cesspool of a monsters thought.  I don't think this requires that level of thought by most people.  Thank god there are people willing to do that when neccessary.    I think a nail sticking out of a [post and the judicious use of a hammer would be more approbo.  I drive the nail all the way in with the hammer to keep from it hurting my family of me. I don't need to understand the nail. 

At some point we gave up trying to understand Hitler in all but a tactical sense and applied the force need to remove him as a threat.  We are there now, in regards to Islamic terrorism.  The Muslims standing on the sidelines either agree with the radicals freely or out of fear.  We need to be feared more. 

Raw power is respected, whether you understand it or not.  You may not know how electricity works but almost anyone knows to stay away from a downed powerline.

I've not been to the Holocaust Museum but I have read accounts of Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald.  I have listened to survivors stories and had to choke back tears.  I am aware of mans inhumanity to man.  Islamo-Facism is just its latest reincarnation.   

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 08, 2010 07:07 PM (rurh0)

95 In this case, though, the farmers are almost all Christian and the cattle-grazers all Muslims. Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends, Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends. One man likes to plant the oat, The other likes to fuck a goat, But that's no reason why they cain't be friends. Territory folks should stick together, Territory folks should all be pals. Cowboys raping farmer's daughters, Farmers dance with the ranchers' gals.

Posted by: cheshirecat at March 08, 2010 07:13 PM (ryljC)

96 Betcha we all End up in the same place! Where's that? Disney World!

Posted by: cheshirecat at March 08, 2010 07:14 PM (ryljC)

97 Restraint.  Restraint gave Kosovo, Muslim Kosova .  Restraint gave India, Pakistan and Bangledesh and soon Kashmir.   Ask the Greeks about Cyprus, or the Somalis about Darfur. 

Restraint has given Israel hell on earth, just ask the residents of Sderot.

Restraint is suicide.   F'k restraint.   


Posted by: wtd at March 08, 2010 08:07 PM (gxT3Y)

98

Oh, heck (or words stronger than that).  I live in Germany!  And my US Army has taken the majority of my guns away....

But we'll go down fighting.

Kinda like the 1st Gulf war.  Started with a .45...ended with two RPGs, some kind of Iraqi or Russian pistol, and several versions of the AK47 bouncing around in the back seat of my hummer.

Posted by: Lurkin'no'mo at March 09, 2010 05:06 AM (6zvrq)

99 Having completed reading all the posts...wait for the Hadj, nuke Mecca and Medina....and where ever Amadamadingaling has his nuke factory set up.  Then remind them, we can always give them second, third and fourth servings.

Posted by: Lurkin'no'mo at March 09, 2010 05:32 AM (6zvrq)

100 I don't justify it... but in January this happened on the other side http://tinyurl.com/ygbhk9p ... So maybe this is a bit more than just a religious thing, hrmm? Oh wait, I forgot... there have never been any other occurrences of violence breaking out in border towns. Evah.

Posted by: aimsworth at March 09, 2010 05:53 AM (COlx6)

101

Baldilocks, you're right. 

And we should make most of the middle east the new Dresden.

Posted by: KLL at March 09, 2010 05:59 AM (/5Axw)

102

The spokesman for the religion of peace have spoken. "Fighting us sub- humans is equivalent to being sub-human."

So its a wash, again.

Posted by: Jimma at March 09, 2010 07:09 AM (8yIhu)

103

"In this case, though, the farmers are almost all Christian and the cattle-grazers all Muslims."

Where is the Nigerian "Shane"?

Filthy muslim savages.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2010 07:14 AM (ujg0T)

104

One of the persistent themes of human history is herding people attacking and conquering settled people.  The herding life, particularly herding cattle, translates well into military campaigns.  The same tactics used to shape and drive a herd of cattle are useful on the battlefield to outmaneuver the enemy.  Generally, the farm folk are at the disadvantage.

The 13th century Muslim historian Ibn Khaldun pointed out this pattern of nomadic people conquering sedentary people in his book, The Muqqadimah.  Much of Muslim jihad against the world follows this pattern of raids on settled people.  In this respect, skyjacking airliners is little different than attacking camel caravans.  Islam at its core is a vehicle for the values of Hejazi Bedouin raiders.

Posted by: Detroit City Council at March 09, 2010 05:45 PM (Ek/Oc)

105

you guys seem to know alot about Islam.. I am sure that you must have read what they call their holy book the Quran.... right? I mean that is the only book that is supposed to contain everything that Islam says.... not some book from a 2nd rate author who presents his own point of view about religions....after all you are civilised people, literate and educated... you probably knew that...and it makes total sense to jump to conclusions about what "Islam" is by observing a minute number of people as compared to a total muslim population of 1657.6million right?... I am sure you also looked at how palestinians were killed, butchered, tortured and thrown out of their own land by some other religious fanatics.... or how about the hindus butchering more than half of the muslims when they were moving to pakistan from india (during the creation of pakistan).... how about what happens in Kashmir EVERY day?..... how about what happened in Iraq? all of you must know about the holocaust... that was a great deal too... and it was horrible!! what about the crusades.. for more than 200 years?.. so why is it that when muslim blood sheds (even before 9/11, not to mention the fact that most of us were stupid enough to believe whatever the media said at that time WITHOUT giving ANY proof) you don't care... and when someone who claims to be a  muslim does something terrible you say "Islam is evil... ALL muslims are evil"..so do the crusades make all christians barbaric? how about the Iraq scenario? are all americans barbaric? apparently their soldiers were also involved in some awesome activites (with prisoners etc.) over there.... does it make all americans evil?.. i guess YOUR answers to these questions must be yes.. after all you will apply the same logic you applied in judging ALL muslims....

judaism, christianity, islam..(speaking of these as I know more about them) these religions do not allow killings/massacres of human beings at any cost.... anyone claiming to belong to these religions and doing what's being done out there does not know his/her own religion.... you wanna learn about these religions? pick up their authentic books and read... reading books from 2nd/3rd rate authors who don't even have the authority to speak about religions is not a good idea....  stop making useless, baseless, and illogical accusations.... and stop being idiots who believe the media blindly.... have the courage to think for yourself

sincerely,

-a comparative religion student  

p.s. dont reply... i wont waste more time on this than I already have...

kisses to all of you

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