1

 

The fact we're even entertaining these ridiculuos arguments sows where we are as a free and sovereign nation.

2 Peggy Noonan is the broken clock of political pundits.

3 Arizona is a Hangin State too.

4

 

And by entertaining, I mean indulging.

I'm beside myself. Criminals on the street protesting...and they're the good guys!

5 Fucking illegals. Arrest them. Deport them.

6 Broken clock is exactly right. But does she actually think Obama gives a damn, because he doesn't.

7

Criminals on the street protesting...and they're the good guys!

We're living in a Batman episode.

8 One wonders why the normally conservative Connie Mack is going off the reservation on this one.

9

 Arizona is a Hangin State too.

I don't think we actually, oficially, hang anybody here. Just give 'em an injection down in Florence.

Interesting tidbit - state prison in Florence is near an Army artillery range. Make trying to escape more sporting.

10

 

Noonan is only half right. Obama keeps the border open to expand his party's base. George Bush kept the border open to expand Tyson Chicken's bottom line.

Let's not sugar coat it: George Bush gave no shit about the future of the Republican party. He (and his asshole advisors) invented that silly farce about illegals doing the jobs Americans refuse to do.

The truth is Americans refuse to do those jobs...for peanuts. The illegals are willing to work for peanuts and that's why Bush allowed them in the country. I don't know if it was a convoluted plan to hurt the unions, or what, but it sure did help the businesses profit margin.

11

Perhaps related: One trait about Bush-43 was the way he approached Social Security reform: Baby steps. Start small, see how it works, the fixes will be small, take another step.

(And if sarcasm is permitted in the comments section, it's a good thing we had upstanding, disinterested public servants like the Honorable Senator Dodd to prevent Bush from accomplishing anything in that regard.)

12 >We are at a remarkable moment.

Er ... you're over a year late, Pegs.

>We have an open, 2,000-mile border to our south, and the entity with the power to enforce the law and impose safety and order will not do it.

A couple of things; the government doesn't impose safety, and the federal government is not just refusing to do its job, it's working against the citizenry and for the illegals, for an invading enemy.

>Wall Street collapsed, taking Main Street's money with it, and the government can't really figure out what to do about it because the government itself was deeply implicated in the crash, and both political parties are full of people whose political careers have been made possible by Wall Street contributions.

Again, Peggy has it wrong.  It's not campaign donations that are the source of the problem with our financial system, but lefty idiocy that knows no bounds.  That was the source of the problem and we have done nothing but move more and more leftward since the crisis hit.  Nice of Pegs to pretend that it's an apolitical issue, though.

>Meanwhile we pass huge laws, bills so comprehensive, omnibus and transformative that no one knows what's in them and no one—literally, no one—knows how exactly they will be executed or interpreted.

These bills are not comprehensive.  They are overreaching, which is a distinction that problem doesn't exist in Peg's world.  The fact that they are passed with the specific intent that no one shall read them before voting is the main problem, which Noonan once again trampled all over.

>It's that no one takes responsibility and authority. Washington daily delivers to the people two stark and utterly conflicting messages: "We control everything" and "You're on your own."

I caught the "We control everything" part, but I must have missed the "you're on your own" declaration.  I wish they said that.  What station does Peggy listen to.  Maybe the federal government sounds better on it than what I can gather over cable and the internet.

>All this contributes to a deep and growing alienation between the people of America and the government of America in Washington.

Boy, if Peggy really knew what was happening, she'd think that "a deep and growing alienation" had already long passed and that we were into 'the nation will split' territory, now.  Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

13
We're living in a Batman episode.

That's about the best description I've seen.  I'm thinking awful Tim Burton-directed movie, though.  This is too brutal for a 30 minute ep.

14 If the government would just legalize marijuana and pass comprehensive immigration reform, this deputy wouldn't have been shot. Stoopid laws keep the cops from doing their duty to keep us safe from racist violent teabaggers

15 There is a hole in the boat it is sinking and instead of patching the hole, they argue over how big a pail is needed to bail the water.    Meanwhile, more water pours through the hole, and the boat rides lower and lower in the water................

16 OT: Recommended afternoon reading:  Obama's speech at Michigan.

He says we should all go read the Huffington Post.  I am not making this up.

17 They shot a cop and then shot at the helicopters tracking them.

But let's ignore this mayhem because it's politically inconvenient for our Cultural Masters in DC and it's better that Arizonans should die and be terrorized than that our Cultural Masters should be disturbed off their talking points.

The smugglers were Mostly Peaceful

18

Peggy Noonan is the broken clock of political pundits.

That would indicate she right exactly twice a day

19

We're living in a Batman episode.

So, who's the Batman villain of our day?

20 The Arizona deputy acted stupidly

21

 

we are the villains

22 The fastest-growing demographic in America is the Hispanic vote, and if either party cracks down on illegal immigration, it risks losing that vote for generations.

     That is a risk, as is usually pointed out by Karl Rove and others.  But think about what is being said.   "Sure, we know this is bad for our country, bad for our economy, bad for the rule of law.  But, well, we're talking about our political futures here."
     I can't prove it, but my guess is that folks with enough spine to actually do the politically unpopular thing in the short term, end up benefiting politically in the long term.  If they don't, they can look themselves in the mirror without cringing.  Maybe that's worth something.  See Reagan, Christie, et al.

23

 

oh, and Peggy Noonan? I'd still bang the stuffin' out of her.

24 22 The Arizona deputy acted stupidly

Posted by: King Barry I at May 01, 2010 02:41 PM

Could you ask the staff to put real beer in my glass this time?

25

Does anyone know if Connie Mack has a primary opponent? Or is he just lucky to have shot off his mouth right at the filing deadline?

Birdman, I think you are wrong about Bush & Rove. I think they believe that Hispanics are a natural Republican consituency and were taking the opposite side of the bet that the Dems are making. They are delusional and completely ignorant of Central and South American history, but I think that's what they believe.

 

26 Has anyone in the media pointed out that there are hardly any black people at the anti-law-and-order rallies being held today?

27 Barrack Hussein Obama is an asshole.

28 Peggy Noonan is the broken clock of political pundits.

2 comments in, and the thread is won.

29

 

Nevertheless, illegals hurt our country economically, and Bush condoned the practice of hiring cheap illegal labor.

30 Distrust of government, they act like it's a new phenomena. I have at least a 40 year thing going on with it.

31 On Fox right now Somali Pirates again try to board a Dutch Royal Navy Ship and get their azzes kicked. I laugh every time i hear that... Do you think they really are that stupid

32

Birdman, I think you are wrong about Bush & Rove. I think they believe that Hispanics are a natural Republican consituency and were taking the opposite side of the bet that the Dems are making. They are delusional and completely ignorant of Central and South American history, but I think that's what they believe.

 

Posted by: SteveN at May 01, 2010 02:43 PM (7EV/g)

I would have to disagree.  Bush is a globalist who really doesn't like the idea of the nation-state.  That seems to be a long-standing Bush family problem.  His dad empowered the UN just as the USSR was disappearing from history - one of the dumbest moves of all time, and W. let the UN tear him a new one and still empowered them further. 

As to Rove, I just can't figure that one out.  I don't think he's looking to Hispanics to be a natural constituency of Republicans, but I think he's scared that they'll become a totally Democrat group.  It doesn't matter, though, because to destroy the US in order to preserve some future votes is just stupid.  Of course, that's why Bush and Rove came in with the GOP having all of Washington and left with the GOP almost destroyed as a party (thanks to Shamnesty, for the most part, and Bush's refusal to fight wars correctly or tell the UN where to get off).

33 The fastest-growing demographic in America is the Hispanic vote, and if either party cracks down on illegal immigration, it risks losing that vote for generations.

One huge assumption the "group think" demographers always make is that this coalition will always subvert their own interests. About the only thing they have in common is "the MAN", and once straight white males are disempowered, they'll start fighting among themselves. In many neighborhoods, hispanic gangs are killing blacks to drive the rest out. Blacks and Hispanics were the only groups that voted more than 50 percent for Prop 8, but the gays still target straight whites. How long will those poor peaceful muslims tolerate gays on "their streets"

34

Has anyone pointed out that a lot of illegals don't want citizenship?

Why would they? Why do they want to pay taxes when they can get paid under the table and have everything else picked up by the American taxpayer?

Many illegals work for part of the year and then go home to Mexico. I knew a chick in school who got married and was moving to Texas to go to law school. They were building a new house there and she complained to me that the construction workers essentially went home to Mexico over the winter and thus it was taking a lot longer to get the house finished.

35 Again, Peggy has it wrong.  It's not campaign donations that are the source of the problem with our financial system, but lefty idiocy that knows no bounds.  That was the source of the problem and we have done nothing but move more and more leftward since the crisis hit.  Nice of Pegs to pretend that it's an apolitical issue, though. Posted by: progressoverpeace

Who was the Sec of the Treasury under Bush? From which investment company did he hail?

Collaborating with Wall Street is not part of  Leftist dogma. The entire mythos of the Left is built around attacking such institutions. How then can you explain the collusion now?

Answer: money.

Sorry, Progress, she's right. And I don't say that because I believe that money can somehow be removed from politics.

36

 

yeah, Dack, but before they go they make sure to pop out a baby or two, just to keep their foot in Amrica's door.

37 Maybe Peggy is the perpetual calendar of American politics. She's stuck on the same schedule, but once every seven non-leap years, she seems to be on target every day.

38 CNN is masturbating furiously over the LA We-Love-Communism-And-Criminals march.

39 I think we're beyond a fence. Let's give the illegal immigrants what they want: Invade Mexico, make them all American citizens. Finish the job we started in 1846. We'll get a much smaller southern border that already has a fence and oil. They'll get rid of their broken racist system and access to capital.

40 @36 Bingo. You win the prize for the astute observation of the day. I am amazed anyone wants to be a citizen in this day and age. It's been tilting toward the Liability column for some time now. You get to pay taxes for all of the other assholes who don't and for your trouble you get monitored, audited, summoned, and basically treated like a doormat or worse. Time to change that shit around if you ask me.

41 40 CNN is masturbating furiously over the LA We-Love-Communism-And-Criminals march.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 01, 2010 02:54 PM

I wonder what would happen if someone shouted "la migra" over a bullhorn

42 As to Rove, I just can't figure that one out.  I don't think he's looking to Hispanics to be a natural constituency of Republicans, but I think he's scared that they'll become a totally Democrat group.  It doesn't matter, though, because to destroy the US in order to preserve some future votes is just stupid.  Of course, that's why Bush and Rove came in with the GOP having all of Washington and left with the GOP almost destroyed as a party (thanks to Shamnesty, for the most part, and Bush's refusal to fight wars correctly or tell the UN where to get off).

I agree that Rove's concern is that the Hispanic vote will lock in the way the black vote has.  But I think he is wrong because this assumes that nothing else will change as a result.  If the black and Hispanic votes start marching in lockstep, my intuition is that a lot of current Dems will decide that they party is no longer for them.  You can compare it to the majority minority voting districts, where the candidates are way out on the fringe, and the majority of Americans want nothing to do with them. 

43 Sorry, Progress, she's right. And I don't say that because I believe that money can somehow be removed from politics.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 01, 2010 02:51 PM (zgd5N)

Don't be sorry, Garbonzo.  Peggy's wrong. 

The main problem that caused the credit crisis was the federal government's forced misvaluation of debt, which propagated through the whole debt market and eventually was rectified only through a massive collapse (though that was stopped by moving private liabilities onto the public books and totally depleting all monetary tools at our disposal - for only temporary relief).  That was what did it.  Wall street just jumped in after they were beaten over the head by the government to take the misvalued debt and treat like it was fine (the implicit guarantee of Fannie and Freddie and everyone assumed and was eventually made good).

Sure, there problems of regulation.  The fact that Vikram Pundithead could actually say that Citi didn't factor a stagnant or falling real estate market into their risk assessments (when we just came out of a real estate downturn less than 20 years ago) showed the extreme stupidity that was at work.  But, that had nothing to do with campaign contributions or politics.  That was just plain old retardation.

For the most part, the credit crisis (and related injury to our monetary system) was caused by the forced misvaluation of debt which was the result of social engineering by the left.  They did it without any overt federal expendtures and the crisis was the actual cost of their lunacy.

44

Aaaarrrrgggghhhh, PoP is making me think on a weekend!  Stop it!

45

The fastest-growing demographic in America is the Hispanic vote, and if either party cracks down on illegal immigration, it risks losing that vote for generations.

That's an untruth that has been propagated by the illegal alien lobby and has been swallowed hook line and sinker by the Squishes and the RINOS. Legal Mexicans that had to stand in line for years are usually are the biggest supporters or a secured border. 

Any Republican that buys and repeats that demographic lie needs to be shunned.

46

 

And shame on the Republicans for not a single one of them has demanded 'regulation' on identity theft, a rampant problem for our citizens that has utterly ruinous implications.

I guess it's not a problem needing fixin' until the Democrats decide it's a problem needing fixin'.

 

 

47
Democrats want "comprehensive" "reform".  Which means: Open borders and amnesty for as many illegals as they can get.

48
The Federal Government spends more energy harassing it's citizens than protecting them. The EPA is destroying our domestic food supply more thoroughly than any terrorist could dream of doing. Social Security and Medicare will collapse with ugly consequences for millions of boomers. Welfare and abortion have caused more grief to black Americans than any disease.
Washington DC is a huge cancerous tumor pumping out more infection to it's host, the states. Arizona, under invasion, has had enough. Utah, tired of Federal land grabs under the guise of "National Monuments" has begun to resist too. It's Rise Up or Bow Down, state by state.

49 Want to get the border sealed up?
Remind all the baby boomers that illegals don't pay SS and we are about to go bankrupt.

50 Slightly OT, but this discussion with Mark Steyn is worth watching.

51 Has anyone pointed out that a lot of illegals don't want citizenship?

There are also stories about illegals crossing the border to have kids, going back with them to Mexico, then using a friend's address in the U.S. to collect welfare payments.

52

And shame on the Republicans for not a single one of them has demanded 'regulation' on identity theft, a rampant problem for our citizens that has utterly ruinous implications.

I guess it's not a problem needing fixin' until the Democrats decide it's a problem needing fixin'.

 Posted by: Birdman at May 01, 2010 03:04 PM (uFokq)

Do you mean like the law George W. Bush signed in 2004? Yeah I know it still happens, so does murder.

 

· Increase penalties by two years for anyone who commits A "aggravated identity theft" in order to commit another serious Federal offense (including immigration violations, false citizenship crimes, firearms offenses, Social Security fraud, government theft, and other serious crimes);

· Increase penalties by five years for anyone who commits identity theft for the purpose of committing a terrorist act;

· Expand the maximum penalty for identity theft under Federal law from three to five years;

· Clarify that the twenty-five year maximum sentence for identity theft in facilitating terrorism applies to both international and domestic terrorism; and

· Add the word "possess" to the Federal identity theft statute so that law enforcement can target individuals who possess identity documents with the intent to commit another crime.

· Direct the Sentencing Commission to amend its guidelines in order to punish insider offenses that involve an "abuse of trust" of the person's position.

· Authorize $2 million each year for fiscal years 2005 to 2009 to the Department of Justice for the investigation and prosecution of identity theft and related credit card and other fraud cases.

53 54 Has anyone pointed out that a lot of illegals don't want citizenship?

There are also stories about illegals crossing the border to have kids, going back with them to Mexico, then using a friend's address in the U.S. to collect welfare payments.

Posted by: Breaker19 at May 01, 2010 03:17 PM (CM/A/)

It gets better. Down here we have children that live in Mexico who cross the border everyday to go to publiuc school.

 

54

Humble migrants, shooting the police helicopters that Americans won't.

Salt o' the Earth they are. Or nitrocellulose o' the Earth. Something like that.

55

Remind all the baby boomers that illegals don't pay SS and we are about to go bankrupt.

Heck, that's an argument for amnesty. Let's give all the illegals citizenship so we can collect taxes to pay for your retirement!

56 As we try to explain in our short analysis of the law itself [can be found here], its provisions will operate in a manner that will have a discriminatory impact on minorities, be they legal immigrants, or even American ethnic minorities. It is not knee-jerk reaction to raise concerns about ethnic and racial profiling caused the combined operation of the various elements of this law.

57

 I can't prove it, but my guess is that folks with enough spine to actually do the politically unpopular thing in the short term, end up benefiting politically in the long term. 

The conventional wisdom of "it'll make Hispanics mad" may have had some truth back in the day...but now, with the economy in the toilet, I bet there are more people concerned with getting jobs for themselves than carrying about illegals.

58 52, No. They want the illegals to become citizens so that they will support SS. The pyramid needs a wider base. Don't you get it? The whole Country is one big Chicago.

59 To the extent that Peggy Noonan has had any influence is one of the problems we have. She was warm and cuddly with the One when many of us true conservatives were warning about this clown the best we could. She had a platform, which she rides her high-horse on to push the mediocre middle of the road agenda. She should be shamed and avoided for this travesty in my opinion.

Since she is a person of influence, she is just as bad as those like McCain and Graham in my opinion.

Tell me where I am wrong? I am certainly willing and able to stand corrected, unlike the Nixonian people such as Noonan, McCain and Graham. (Uh, you could throw Steele in there as well.)

60 58

Remind all the baby boomers that illegals don't pay SS and we are about to go bankrupt.

Heck, that's an argument for amnesty. Let's give all the illegals citizenship so we can collect taxes to pay for your retirement!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 01, 2010 03:29 PM (P33XN)

I believe that's what Bill Clinton aid yesterday.

We need them for taxes.. saw on Hillbuzz, can't figure out which thread.

61
Somebody needs a banning for pimping their shitty website on this here Intelligent MilBlog.

62

 Down here we have children that live in Mexico who cross the border everyday to go to publiuc school.

Yeh, Del Rio (Texas) was putting some teeth into its "you have to live in the district to go to school" rules last year.

63 The conventional wisdom of "it'll make Hispanics mad"

Ideally it'd be nice if the GOP would stop pandering the way the Dems do. I'm so sick of the pandering and it never works well for them anyway. So what if it makes (insert racial group here) mad? They vote Dem anyway, so what difference does it make?

64 It is not knee-jerk reaction to raise concerns about ethnic and racial profiling caused the combined operation of the various elements of this law.

Posted by: TheRadix at May 01, 2010 03:33 PM (tUI/o)

Try reading the existing federal law on this dumb ass, it's the one that's been in place since 1940.

65 They vote Dem anyway, so what difference does it make?

Posted by: Rum, Bitch Goddess at May 01, 2010 03:38 PM (gofDd)

I think John McCain already learned how much republicans will be rewarded by latino's for immigration reform.

66 My daughter just realized she was born 7 months after Frau and I were married.

She is concerned about having been born premature................

Oy.

67

Tell me where I am wrong?

No, I wish they'd stop talking aloud about the faults of Republicans and/or conservatives and discussing the niceness of liberal pleats or whatever.

 

68 It is not knee-jerk reaction to raise concerns about ethnic and racial profiling caused the combined operation of the various elements of this law.

Posted by: TheRadix at May 01, 2010 03:33 PM (tUI/o)

Sure it is, and that's all it is. I'll take your accusations of "RACISM" seriously when the likes of you start denouncing the real racists like La Raza and MEChA.

Until then, piss off!

69 O/T:  There are a lot of posters on here with kids.  The link has a lot of drugs you would give to kids, so please look at the list.
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McNeil Consumer Healthcare is initiating this voluntary recall because some of these products may not meet required quality standards. This recall is not being undertaken on the basis of adverse medical events. However, as a precautionary measure, parents and caregivers should not administer these products to their children. Some of the products included in the recall may contain a higher concentration of active ingredient than is specified; others may contain inactive ingredients that may not meet internal testing requirements; and others may contain tiny particles. While the potential for serious medical events is remote, the company advises consumers who have purchased these recalled products to discontinue use.

The company is conducting a comprehensive quality assessment across its manufacturing operations and has identified corrective actions that will be implemented before new manufacturing is initiated at the plant where the recalled products were made.
Consumers can contact the company at 1-888-222-6036 and also at www.mcneilproductrecall.com. Parents and caregivers who are not sure about alternative pediatric health treatment options should talk to their doctor or pharmacist and are reminded to never give drug products to infants and children that are not intended for those age groups as this could result in serious harm

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McNeil Consumer Healthcare, Division of McNeil-PPC, Inc. markets a broad range of well-known OTC products. "

70 Pinal County

the LSM said "Pinal."

hee!

71

Remind all the baby boomers that illegals don't pay SS and we are about to go bankrupt.

Heck, that's an argument for amnesty. Let's give all the illegals citizenship so we can collect taxes to pay for your retirement!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 01, 2010 03:29 PM (P33XN)

I believe that's what Bill Clinton aid yesterday.

We need them for taxes.. saw on Hillbuzz, can't figure out which thread.

what i would add to this..

the gvt. had ss, taxes, welfare funds,fdic, they have over-used their funds, they have not been fiscally responsible yet we need gvt, to have more taxes from illegals, Health care, cap & Trade., yet half the country believes gvt. should have more power over business, taxes, banks,car maufactuers, wall street. because they are so much more responsible about americas funds.

72 It is not knee-jerk reaction to raise concerns about ethnic and racial profiling caused the combined operation of the various elements of this law.

It's not xenophobia to ask that existing immigration laws be enforced, you clueless fuck.

73 Del Rio (Texas) was putting some teeth into its "you have to live in the district to go to school" rules last year.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 01, 2010 03:37 PM (XdlcF)

That's RACIST!

74 t is not knee-jerk reaction to raise concerns about ethnic and racial profiling caused the combined operation of the various elements of this law. Posted by: TheRadix at May 01, 2010 03:33 PM (tUI/o) Um, 99% of the illegals aliens come from Mexico and lands to its South. That kind of guarantees an ethnic nature to enforcement. Look if Austrians were streaming into Germany, wouldn't you want German cops to keep an ear open for Austrian?

75

Oy.

Snort.

How old is she?

76 My older neighbor said today that Raegan would have immigration people out all over the protests making arrests.   My neighbor is so angry that people who are here illegally and breaking the law are protesting. 

77 Um, 99% of the illegals aliens come from Mexico and lands to its South. That kind of guarantees an ethnic nature to enforcement.

Racist!

78 Douchebag McFarlane with his shark jumping cartoons is the latest to jump on the Arizona is Nazi Germany celebtard bandwagon

He says "only in Nazy Germany were you required to show your papers"

Funny how these leftists forget that in communist countries you can't take a shit without showing some police state goon your papers

How come they're not calling the law "communist"

79

Ideally it'd be nice if the GOP would stop pandering the way the Dems do. I'm so sick of the pandering and it never works well for them anyway.

Yeh, they really, really suck at it, don't they?

80 My neighbor is so angry that people who are here illegally and breaking the law are protesting. 
Posted by: curious at May 01, 2010 03:46 PM

They're Mostly Peaceful

81 Whoever thinks illegals will start paying taxes after they get amnesty are delusional. They already get 'benefits' without paying taxes, and the Work For Cash infrastructure is firmly established.

82 We should leave those poor, downtrodden, noble peasants alone.

83

 

Sinc when do people earning peanuts pay taxes?

84
Top10 Dumbest Things said about The Arizona Immigration Law

85 The most uncomfortable part of all this is that you have to ask people to "show their papers" and that brings memories of all the hitler movies you saw as a kid.  So that is the concerning part, as a natural born citizen you would not want to have to prove your citizenship especially since BO doesn't want to prove his.

86 Those all white teabagger protests are all domestic terrorists like the white Tim McVeigh

We detest racial profiling

87

Instead, our national establishments deliberately allow the crisis to grow and fester, ignoring public unrest and amusing themselves by damning anyone's attempt to deal with the problem they fear to address.  Why does the federal government do this?

The Tea Partiers need to just keep asking this simple question to every member of Congress, and if they don't get a straight answer, add them to the list marked for ETEP: Electoral Termination with Extreme Predjudice.

The US Congress has become a toilet, and it needs to be flushed.

88

 

they get paid little, but the fringe benefits are pretty damn good --

-free education for their kids

-free health care

-free car insurance

-free rent

-free food

And maybe Barney Fag's boyfriend at Fannie Mae will give you a free mortgage.

89 The center is not holding.

90

Oy.

Snort.

How old is she?

10.  It was a good run.

91 Comrades, dissent is no longer patriotic

ANN ARBOR, Mich. – In a blunt caution to political friend and foe, President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America's democracy, and may incite "extreme elements" to violence.

The comments, in a graduation speech at the University of Michigan's huge football stadium, were Obama's most direct take about the angry politics that have engulfed his young presidency after long clashes over health care, taxes and the role of government.

It's alright for Barry to threaten CEOs, industries and individuals but no one better dare even question Comrade Chairman MaObama

92
10.  It was a good run.

Heh.  You live an interesting life, morgenholz.

93 These same handwringers over "showing your papers" or "turning in your neighbors" have no problem with the IRS setting up an 800 number to rat people out, no problem with your medical information being put into databases, no problem with national ID cards, no problem with King Barry's idea to have people send emails to the government to report "anti-government comments"

None of that will change until elitists experience home invasion robberies by those illegals they love so much

94

Lemon Kitten,  the quote from Greenhouse "a new crime of breathing while undocumented" started me off on a coughing fit.

OMG, if you breath while committing a crime, breathing is a crime!!11!

95

 

...under the guise of legitimate discourse...

wow! The Decider has spoken. That is truly amazing. Obama is so unpresidential, so uncouth, so partisan, so infuriating, and so racist.

96 Posted by: Birdman at May 01, 2010 03:52 PM (uFokq)

they get paid in cash.  They have no taxes to pay whatsoever.  They actually, if it were taxable income, make more than a lot of American citizens.   Just because you don't pay income tax does not mean that taxes don't come out of your paycheck.  There are taxes in your paycheck that are a gift to the government and are not returnable.

I heard a rumor that they are having trouble finding judges to appoint cause they all have illegal maids.   The problem is, they paid them in cash and didn't cover them with Worker's compensation.   Therefore, they can't be appointed to a judgeship or everyone would find out and go nuts.

97 Many illegals, if they want to become illegal at all do not want to stay here long term. I had a neighbor who was illegal and I did not find that out until I was fixing to move away. He had a ss card, a dl, and was working just like anyone else, but had forged documents.

He was building a house in Mexico and furnishing it and had plans to retire to Mexico after he earned enough money, since Mexico is dirt cheap compared to the USA. He, like many others, was renting a room for him and his wife from a widowed white woman. I wonder how many thousands of others are usurping and breaking the law like him and his culprit in crime, the lady that was housing him. Other houses on the street had house fulls of illegals but I never heard anyone in the neighborhood say or mention anything approaching any kind of concern. These neighborhoods many have a change in mindset once these illegals start causing the problems they are now doing.

I honestly thought the guy was legal and did not know until he drunkenly admitted it one night just before I moved away. I had known him for 7 years before this and had no idea that he was here illegally. He had been here for over 25 years!

I am to blame in not finding out and reporting him, but should I have just came out and asked him?

98 I'm here to fix our broken political system. Which is broken. And political.

99

I was going to go down to the mostly peaceful "Cicano Park" (aka: Rape Land) and photograph the mostly peaceful demonstration, but sleeping-in and fear of violent crime against my Nikon kept me at home.

http://bit.ly/9Kvq2J

Hey, nice racist murial you have there demanding that Anglo business leave the area!

They are also a bunch of Reconquista scum too. Because the beauty that is Tijuana really needs to be replicated.

http://bit.ly/cnW8DD

100

The US Congress has become a toilet, and it needs to be flushed.

Posted by: sherlock at May 01, 2010 03:52 PM

We're going to need lots of Drano for those bigger turds

101 Heh.  You live an interesting life, morgenholz.

For the record, Frau was my high school sweetheart.  Then we parted ways.  Then we ran into each other 10 years later.  We got engaged 9 months prior to the oldest's birth.  We didn't even know.

102 Nnnnnoonan...miss it....Nnnnnoonan...miss...

103 We didn't even know.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 01, 2010 03:59 PM (THWV5)

Yeah right, and her dad's shotgun in the small of your back during the wedding was just his way of welcoming you to the family.

Kidding

104 Any word on the condition of the officer shot?

105

OMG, if you breath while committing a crime, breathing is a crime!!11!

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 01, 2010 03:55 PM

Breathing is a crime because you're pouring gaia killing CO₂ into the air without purchasing carbon offsets from me

106

Posted by: El Diablo Blanco Con Ojos Azules en San Diego at May 01, 2010 03:57 PM (F09Uo)

That is some shocking stuff - we live on the border, too, and in an area that is far more Mexican and Spanish-speaking than SD and we don't seem to have as many pochos as you have out there in Cahleeforneeah.

Something about those phony Californian welfare-sucking leftwing pochos... real fucking scum.

107 Yeah right, and her dad's shotgun in the small of your back during the wedding was just his way of welcoming you to the family.

Funny thing is, I became real close to her dad.  He was my golfing buddy til we planted his ass a couple years ago.  Miss that shitball.  Good guy.

108

 

There's no doubt the AZ lawmakers and Gov Brewer are receiving lots of death threats, yes?

Yet we're not hearing about them on the news...

109

Did we ever have conservative leadership in this country?  Ever?  I mean, since the advent of women's suffrage.  Ever?

110

As soon as the media, and the opportunistic politicians are finished squeezing all of the juice out of this low hanging fruit, the discarded pulp and rind will be discarded to fester and rot until it can be retrieved and served up again, as some work of art nouveau.

Look for the oil spill to overtake the immigration issue next week.

111

Something about those phony Californian welfare-sucking leftwing pochos... real fucking scum.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 01, 2010 04:06 PM (itK3i)

When you indulge the crazy, you only get more crazy.

I just wonder why nobody says a word about all the swastikas the Azlan racists pain all over everything.

112
Any word on the condition of the officer shot?

Apparently he took a nice fleshwound but nothing too bad, so he's 'lucky'.  Out of the hospital already.

113

That is some shocking stuff - we live on the border, too, and in an area that is far more Mexican and Spanish-speaking than SD and we don't seem to have as many pochos as you have out there in Cahleeforneeah.

Yeh, whenever I see stats about how many illegals are on welfare or anything like that, I always wish I could see the numbers broken out by location.

Del Rio was a low crime town with hard working people. Almost none of the problems you hear about in other border towns. And certainly no desire to be part of Mexico. We'd lived there for two years when we were driving along and saw a Mexican flag. My son didn't know what flag it was because we never saw them.

(Of course, the US flag was only about the 3rd most common you'd see, after the Texas and Longhorns flags, but that's not important right now.)

114

 

Rush had a brilliant idea Friday. He said Brewer should offer travel vouchers, in the form of one-way tickets, to San Francisco for all the illegals in AZ.

I wish the Republicans would do stuff like that just to show they have some fight in them in the political ring.

115

I hope the officer make a speedy recovery. 

 He's a hispanic American, gee, I guess that makes him a racist, right?

 

116

Multicultural and inclusive Swastikas are all edgy-cool and stuff.

http://bit.ly/dB7Aof

117 I'm so disgusted by the blatant demagoguing on the illegal issue. Denizens of Washington, DC and their media lackeys have no clue how dangerous this problem has become. A pox on all their houses!

118

Del Rio was a low crime town with hard working people. Almost none of the problems you hear about in other border towns. And certainly no desire to be part of Mexico. We'd lived there for two years when we were driving along and saw a Mexican flag. My son didn't know what flag it was because we never saw them.

(Of course, the US flag was only about the 3rd most common you'd see, after the Texas and Longhorns flags, but that's not important right now.)

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 01, 2010 04:11 PM (XdlcF)

Whenever I  would work around that area I loved to go over to Ciudad Acuna - Villa Acuna, when I was a kid - and it was so peaceful. Not like the larger border towns. It's really nice ranch country out there.

119

"Since when do people earning peanuts pay taxes?"

 

"Peanuts"? No Senor, $25,000.00 a year for laborers and up to $75,000.00 a year for their supervisors ain't "peanuts". You're caught in a time warp. Times have changed.

120 Those cops acted stupidly.

121

O/T: Another day, another tornado watch. Meanwhile, in the mountains of West Texas, it's snowing like crazy at my mom's place...

And now, back to the topic at hand...which I think is Fraulein M's demand to see her parents' papers or something.

122 Twenty years ago, we frequented the Cadillac Bar and then boystown in Nuevo Laredo. Would not dare do it now. Good times then, though.

123

 

Yeah, people making $25k/yr with their stolen S.S.# and made-up number of dependents pay no taxes. They might even get the EIC tax rebate!

So making these 'workers' legal isn't gonna add revenue to the tax rolls.

124 Fraulein M's demand to see her parents' papers or something.

If Bambi doesn't have to, neither do we.

125 That is some shocking stuff - we live on the border, too, and in an area that is far more Mexican and Spanish-speaking than SD and we don't seem to have as many pochos as you have out there in Cahleeforneeah.

I think California encourages it. We have 32% of welfare recipients for the entire nation. I'm betting most of them are from south of the border. California likes flaunting laws it doesn't like and then over regulate the people who live here.

...I need to get out of here.

126 119

Multicultural and inclusive Swastikas are all edgy-cool and stuff.

http://bit.ly/dB7Aof

Posted by: El Diablo Blanco Con Ojos Azules en San Diego at May 01, 2010 04:15 PM (F09Uo)

I don't think that was intended as such.

However, I will say that you can find copies of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" at many bookstores in Mexico. It seems to fit into the low-brow conspiracy literature that is so popular down there. My Mexican Jewish friends just shrug it off.

I was in one of the only two bookstores in Nuevo Laredo years ago and found a copy of the book. I went up to the owner and asked him what the hell this was, he just shrugged and said he put it in the Astrology section with all the other crap.

We have lots of "hidden Jews" here on the border as well - they descended from the Jewish families back in the Inquisition days down in Mexico City.

Mexico was somewhat pro-Nazi back during WWII. Read "Under the Volcano", and it describes it. But they never exactly excelled at it, and many thousands of Jews settled in Mexico when they escaped from Europe in the thirties and were not permitted to enter the US.

127 124

O/T: Another day, another tornado watch. Meanwhile, in the mountains of West Texas, it's snowing like crazy at my mom's place...

And now, back to the topic at hand...which I think is Fraulein M's demand to see her parents' papers or something.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 01, 2010 04:21 PM (XdlcF)

Where's your mom's place, Fort Davis or out near me?

128

Whenever I  would work around that area I loved to go over to Ciudad Acuna

We never did go. It was a bit too much of a hassle just to go out to eat and/or shop with the kids, but it was sure popular to do.* They did have some problems there which led to Air Force people either having a curfew or not being allowed to cross over at all.

*Crossings went down a bunch when they new laws about needing passports and such went into effect.

129 Yep, she's up a hill outside of Ft. D.

130 Have you noticed, Senor, that a lot of us are toothless goobers with baseball caps and pick-up trucks, and our women are fat? If that doesn't tell you that we're striving to be future Republicans, nothing else will.

131 Multicultural and inclusive Swastikas are all edgy-cool and stuff.

It's backwards. Do they know it is? And I thought the reverse one was the Hindu symbol?

132 Isn't it racist to assume that hispanics once citizens would still always vote for the party that let their parents or grandparents into the country when they were illegals? Blacks were republicans, the party of lincoln, but switched in a couple of generations.

133  Have you noticed, Senor, that a lot of us are toothless goobers with baseball caps and pick-up trucks, and our women are fat? If that doesn't tell you that we're striving to be future Republicans, nothing else will.

Posted by: Si Senor, eetz me again, Poncho!!! at May 01, 2010 04:34 PM (ITzbJ)

I don't believe you since you always vote for democrats. Actually if you look at the democrat base you fit in quite nicely.

134

I actually thing the similarity of the symbolism is entirely intentional. All they did was change the direction of the arms and round the ends. That type of swastika wasn't common at all and was mostly a recent invention by the Aztlan crowd.

Beware of Jews making up hate crimes.

http://bit.ly/cUeBX1

I know hoax-crimes are a problem, but this Aztlan page singles out Jews and Homosexuals specifically.

135

 

You guys ever hear Patrick Kennedy going off about calling the invaders aliens?

He is so fucking stupid, he has no idea what alien means. Kennedy is upset that people like us are calling the illegals visitors from other planets. I'm not making this up; it's clear he doesn't the know the definition of alien.

136 Enforcing our immigration laws is racism. This person should be given back his AK and let go.

137

 

I can't find the audio but it's funny.

Kennedy moans, "They call them aliens. Aliens! These people are human beings, don't call them aliens."

I shit you not.

138 134 Multicultural and inclusive Swastikas are all edgy-cool and stuff.

It's backwards. Do they know it is? And I thought the reverse one was the Hindu symbol?

Posted by: Rum, Bitch Goddess at May 01, 2010 04:35 PM (gofDd)

They are claiming it as part of their cultural heritage. The problem is that particular type of swastika seems to have recently been made-up.

139

Kennedy moans, "They call them aliens. Aliens! These people are human beings, don't call them aliens."

This is your brain after years of drug and alcohol abuse.

140

Posted by: El Diablo Blanco Con Ojos Azules en San Diego at May 01, 2010 04:37 PM (F09Uo)

Aztlan's a real shithole racist organization and based on that entire idiotic "Aztlan" scam.

141

They are claiming it as part of their cultural heritage. The problem is that particular type of swastika seems to have recently been made-up.

Posted by: El Diablo Blanco Con Ojos Azules en San Diego at May 01, 2010 04:40 PM (F09Uo)

No surprise.  The arabs claim that shooting guns in the air is part of their cultural traditions, but they haven't had guns for very long, and they have no history of ever producing guns or any intimate connection to them, either.  I hate to think of what the arab weddings used to look like 100 years ago, with all the lunatics throwing their swords in the air, hacking people every which way as the swords came craxhing down to Earth on the wedding parties.

142 Blacks were republicans, the party of lincoln, but switched in a couple of generations.

Posted by: dagny at May 01, 2010 04:37 PM (PIU5c)

Democrats got the black vote by a combination of the southern strategy by Nixon aids and the democrats started giving them more free stuff.

The democrats keep the black vote by keeping them trapped in the inner city by poverty forcing them to depend on the government freebies the democrats provide. Democrats are doing the same with latinos now. They don't want them to assimilate and enact programs to keep them as a seperate society they can control and keep in poverty.

Latinos and blacks are just like everyone else, if you let them escape the ghettos democrats want to keep them trapped in there vote changes to about 50/50. In latinos case it even skews republican. As long as you keep them trapped together in poverty like the democrats do they will vote together.

143 Immigration -- Eso es una locura.

144 36 They were building a new house there and she complained to me that the construction workers essentially went home to Mexico over the winter and thus it was taking a lot longer to get the house finished. ---------------- 'M' stands for 'migrant'.

145 Aztlan's a real shithole racist organization and based on that entire idiotic "Aztlan" scam.

The Aztlan BS drives me nuts. If they have an issue, take it up with Santa Ana. He's the one who got his butt kicked and sold off the land to US.

146 143

Aztlan's a real shithole racist organization and based on that entire idiotic "Aztlan" scam.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 01, 2010 04:43 PM (itK3i)

Their expressed hatred for Jews (and Anglos in general) on their website, and their adoption of Nazi-like symbolism doesn't look like they have the best of intentions.

If you had to adopt an ancient Indian symbol for your recently created organization, why pick THAT one?

147 I respectfully request a "Tiger misses the cut by a shitload" thread.

It's self-affirming.

148 41 We'll get a much smaller southern border that already has a fence and oil.... ------ ....which we won't be allowed to drill anymore. FIFY

149

There is not a day that goes by in AZ that there isn't a police chase of vehicles filled with illegals. They either stop and like a clown car in a circus 15 or 20 will pore out of the vehicle and make a run for the desert. Or they drive like loons crash, scatter bodies all over the road and fill the emergency rooms for free medical care. Phoenix is the kidnap capitol of the world. Mexican Gangs are rampant, killings are commonplace. Drop houses are everywhere, illegals are held against their will, raped, threatened and forced to pay the coyotes large sums of money. The dirty secret is that most illegals are taken advantaged of by their fellow countryman. A few weeks ago there was a major smuggling ring busted in the Tucson/Phoenix area. The largest in US history. Look it up the MSN won't cover it. Look up the surnames of the shuttle bus companies. Like the country they come from the Patrones, the ruling class keep the peons uneducated and frightened, and economically rape their fellow countryman.

The cost to the citizens of AZ and the country is in the hundred of millions.

150 I wonder if any of these critics of the new law speak Spanish and ever listen to some of those Mexican megawatt radio stations. Yeah, check that out sometimes for a real insight on what the real game is. Reconquita, baby. That's what this is all about.

151 Via allah on Twitter:  God is a Democrat  http://bit.ly/cKYRtY

152

Does anyone doubt that Connie Mack claims to be a law-and-order candidate each election cycle?

>spit<

153

yeah my youngest kidlet was called a kike (haven't heard that in years) from a latino in same age group at school last year. wow, I'm feeling the unity!

 

154

There is not a day that goes by in AZ that there isn't a police chase of vehicles filled with illegals. They either stop and like a clown car in a circus 15 or 20 will pore out of the vehicle and make a run for the desert. Or they drive like loons crash, scatter bodies all over the road and fill the emergency rooms for free medical care.

And yet in Del Rio, people drive at or below the speed limit. I'd groan everytime I saw a Coahuila license plate, because I knew they'd drive s l o w l y and carefully.

I don't know exactly why it's so different. It may be due to Operation Streamline. It may be because there is enough law enforcement, between the city police, the sheriff, BP, the base security, etc. etc. Whatever the reasons, it can be different.

155 Build the Fence.

156

I respectfully request a "Tiger misses the cut by a shitload" thread.

It's self-affirming.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Second that!

157 that was to Texas Jew. This is in Ohio

158

Peggy Noonan is the broken clock of political pundits.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yeah, looks like that warm and moist spot for BHO has dried up

159 A little nugget from the Indonesian Imbecile's commencement speech, today. He shows why universities love people with 83 IQs to instruct their graduates:
----------------------------------

But it was the last question from the last student in the letter that gave me pause. The student asked, “Are people being nice?” Are people being nice?

And people wonder why this retard was called "The Great Orator" ...

Well, if you turn on the news today, or yesterday, or a week ago, or a month ago –- particularly one of the cable channels -– (laughter) — you can see why even a kindergartener would ask this question. (Laughter.)

The Precedent joking with college kids about kindergarteners and Fox News. Yep, that's about right for them. All of them.

After that idiocy, the Indonesian Imbecile flails along some more and comes up with this gem:

And as our world grows smaller and more connected, you will live and work with more people who donÂ’t look like you or think like you or come from where you do.

"Come from where you do"??  Is that how they teach people to speak at Columbia and Harvard?  Clearly, this is Nobel Prize level speechifying.  But, he is correct in his assessment that they don't think as we think.  That's why the US is the greatest nation ever and theirs aren't.  People ought to take this idea of "[they don't] think like you" more seriously, as The Precedent is a product of Indonesian schools and he thinks as an Indonesian, not a natural born American.

160 If they have an issue, take it up with Santa Ana. He's the one who got his butt kicked and sold off the land to US.

I'm willing to let them buy back parts of California for whatever they paid for it, adjusted to 2010 dollars, plus 5% interest (over 162 years). 

Using the Consumer Price Index, that's $420M...if we compound the interest once annually that's $1,137,406,588,830.07.  (feel free to check my math)

Cash up front, please.

161 160 that was to Texas Jew. This is in Ohio

Posted by: willow at May 01, 2010 05:00 PM (7FgWm)

...location, Willow?  (I'm in Medina County).

162

Speaking of Ohio...

The AP has tagged the wannabe cop kook who watched AF1 takeoff from his cop car rental a racist/terrorist/militia... WASP man.

PROOF?

On Facebook, he questions Obama's citizenship and, and, are you sitting down??!  He sometimes refered to him by his middle name - HUSSEIN!!11!!!111!

Hang him.

163

On Facebook, he questions Obama's citizenship and, and, are you sitting down??!  He sometimes refered to him by his middle name - HUSSEIN!!11!!!111!

Hang him.

Posted by: Rewrite! at May 01, 2010 05:06 PM (d7Px0)

Good enough for me!

164 Has anyone checked Jerry Rivers's papers?

165 Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 01, 2010 05:02 PM (Qp4DT)

Barry once again shows that he's a immature twat.

166 So, it's a beautiful day in NYC, and I'm enjoying the fine weather whilst walking up Broadway towards Strand Books and then about a couple of thousand or so marchers block my path and fuck up the scenery. Ah, fuck them. Beautiful day to be alive, even here in pinko-land USA.

167

O/T

Has anyone here bought any of the shoes that Ace is peddling?  Good quality, knoff-offs..?

I wanna support the site.

168

And as our world grows smaller and more connected, you will live and work with more people who donÂ’t look like you or think like you or come from where you do.

No you won't. Globalism is a dead letter dreamed up by elitists suffering from massive hubris. It's no more sustainable than the interlocking treaties tying European states together before World War I.

When the final collapse comes, nationalism will come back in a big way.

169

Best line in a while:

A fellow on last night's Red Eye said that Cap-n-Trade was like 14th-century Catholics buying Indulgences.

170

No you won't. Globalism is a dead letter dreamed up by elitists suffering from massive hubris.

Is it really unsustainable? What would stand in its was? I'm not trying to be difficult, I was just wondering why you think that.

171 Democrats got the black vote by a combination of the southern strategy by Nixon aids and the democrats started giving them more free stuff.

That BS about the "Nixon Southern Strategy" is a lie propagated by the Demoncraps and spread by the media for them.

Southerners started abandoning the Democrap Party long before Nixon.  It actually started with Goldwater and it had a whole lot more to do with the Demoncraps turning into anti-military peacenicks as well as welfare pushers.

And yes, the blacks started switching to Dems with the LBJ rule when he began the "great society" which eventually destroyed the black family structure.

172 I caught the "We control everything" part, but I must have missed the "you're on your own" declaration.

Oh, that's the part where people who "slip through the cracks" are SOL. "The system isn't perfect," you know, but then "system is working."

173

I'm willing to let them buy back parts of California for whatever they paid for it, adjusted to 2010 dollars, plus 5% interest (over 162 years). 

I willing to give them California if they will take over that 3rd world shithole's debt and take care of their dependent population. All they have to do if figure out how to make their own water and electricity and it's theirs as far as I am concerned.

174 Barry once again shows that he's a immature twat.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 01, 2010 05:09 PM (jigvh)

And lost in a schizophrenic haze, too.  Did you read that speech.  It was craaaazy.

I'd hate to be a graduate who had to sit through such a dipshit at my commencement.  Then again, I wouldn't go to a commencement with an America-hating retard speaking.

I just can't get over how unbelievably insane this all is.  If The Precedent at least had a brain, that would be one thing, but to have this half-wit running around, unaware that everyone with sense knows how dumb he is ... It's truly an offense to the intellect.  A deep, deep offense.

175

Is it really unsustainable? What would stand in its was? I'm not trying to be difficult, I was just wondering why you think that.

I offer as proof the economic crisis.

176 President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America's democracy, and may incite "extreme elements" to violence.

I wonder* if he had a word with Nancy Pelosi.

* Not really.

177 My hatred of Peggy Noonan is conflicted with the fact that she stole my idea for amnesty - though I'd prefer 3 years of military service and an honorable discharge rather than 2.

178 I noticed in the Top Headlines link that Che Che is apparently an Australian sportscaster. Whooda thunk it?

179

I don't want significant numbers of foreigners in the military.

Look what it did for the Romans.

180

...Barry is a fool, Barry is a twat, Barry is a joke... yada yada yada  ???

This 'fool' is turning the USA Socialist without firing a shot.  Kruschev was a Prophet.

181
Connie Mack is a buffoon who either hasn't read the law in question or is seriously lacking in elementary reading comprehension.

182

Connie Mack is a buffoon who either hasn't read the law in question or is seriously lacking in elementary reading comprehension.

More likely he's a corporate shill that's been sitting around with the other traitors at the Chamber of Commerce laughing about how much they can undercut our salaries by flooding the nation with illegals.

183

Cop is the last victim in a line of them caused by illegal immigrants/drug traffickers (and I wonder how many terrorist operatives are thrown into that mix as well), and that oil spill is spreading...and Napolitano just now realizes that her agency has equipment to clean up/contain oil spills....

I'll leave the second half of the statement blank, so you all can fill it in -- shouldn't be hard.  (I find the parallel development almost poetic).

 

184 President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America's democracy, and may incite "extreme elements" to violence.

Trivia quiz.  Which person, who doesn't "think like you" and doesn't "come from where you do" said:

"I'm the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks"

while he was tearing our system apart and making a dangerous mockery of our federal government?

185 Hey Obama. This is another reason I hate you and your Washington cronies. You thin-skinned POS.

186 My hatred of Peggy Noonan is conflicted with the fact that she stole my idea for amnesty - though I'd prefer 3 years of military service and an honorable discharge rather than 2.

Posted by: The Q at May 01, 2010 05:21 PM (pfStM)

I don't like that idea at all. The military isn't for everyone. I served when the draft was in effect and their were a lot  of people there that shouldn't have been. The military is a job you have to want to do, not something you do for a prize when it's over.

I would be all for giving anyone who volunteered to serve a free pass to the front of the citizenship line though.

187 President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America's democracy, and may incite "extreme elements" to violence.

Who gets to decide what legitimate discourse is?

188

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) was arrested outside the White House on Saturday during a May Day protest for immigration reform.

Guiterrez had been speaking to a crowd of hundreds at Lafayette Square when he announced that he was going to go to the White House fence with other protesters, sit down, and not move until he was arrested or until comprehensive immigration reform was signed.

On one hand, he's not in any real danger of repercussions (unlike the little people who got arrested with him... ) like job loss, jail time, or fines 'cause he's a D.  On the other, I kind of like seeing Ds bash each other. 

189

It pisses me off that Cardinal Mahoney is part of this May Day shit.

The catholic church, along with businesses, has a vested interest in keeping illegals here. They're money makers for both of them.

190 164 160 that was to Texas Jew. This is in Ohio

Posted by: willow at May 01, 2010 05:00 PM (7FgWm)

...location, Willow?  (I'm in Medina County).

Posted by: Macho Cabrio at May 01, 2010 05:04 PM (5qJM5)

Cuyahoga county, parma heights.

191 178

Is it really unsustainable? What would stand in its was? I'm not trying to be difficult, I was just wondering why you think that.

I offer as proof the economic crisis.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 01, 2010 05:19 PM (P33XN)

We have had them before, but what makes this particular one an incitement of 'globalism'? I don't have a dog to grind in this fight.. but I am to metaphors what a blender combine is to a margareta.

IYKWIM

192 Suffice to say, Connie Mack is a good, decent man with impeccable credentials.

193

It is interesting to me that while the AP and local news organizations for a couple of the cities I checked in regard to the immigration rallies are all spinning how horrible Arizona’s law is and how wonderful the “peaceful” marchers are, the comments overwhelmingly on those news sites have been in favor of Arizona’s law and of enforcing current immigration laws as well. Considering that I live in Seattle, the fact that the comments are like that leads me to believe that on this issue the politicians, celebrities, and illegal immigrant supporters have totally read the mood of the nation wrong.

194 192

It pisses me off that Cardinal Mahoney is part of this May Day shit.

The catholic church, along with businesses, has a vested interest in keeping illegals here. They're money makers for both of them.

Posted by: Who Knows at May 01, 2010 05:34 PM (7FgWm)

Like many unions, they have a dues paying base to worry about. Not a lot of Anglos are converting to Catholicism these days.

195 Who gets to decide what legitimate discourse is?

Uhhhh, I do.  Don't act stupidly.

196 He says "only in Nazy Germany were you required to show your papers."

I wonder what McHarebrain thinks of a national ID card.

197

So we need to pander to a minority instead of looking out for the interests of the MAJORITY?

 

Poor calculation. The MAJORITY is no longer asleep.

Pander at your own peril RINO'S..     Piss of your base in order to gain a minority vote.   SMART THINKING JEB, CONNIE et al.

198

We have had them before, but what makes this particular one an incitement of 'globalism'? I don't have a dog to grind in this fight..

Well, if this crisis ends up becoming what a lot of people think it will become, it's gonna make the Great Depression look like a bad day of sales at a lemonade stand.

And we all know what happened during the last Great Depression.

199 Like many unions, they have a dues paying base to worry about. Not a lot of Anglos are converting to Catholicism these days.

I plan on keeping my children well clear of pedophiles. The Mexicans can do whatever the fuck they want.

200

PGIS...it is amazing the disconnect between the politicians and the people.

They either are clueless, or they simply do not give a rats ass what the country wants or needs.

 

201

I wonder what McHarebrain thinks of a national ID card.

Do you mean McCain? Well, let's see:

My friends,

Vote McCain in 2010!

I'm proposing legislation requiring all foreigners to have identification numbers printed on their foreheads.

I've also petitioned the White House for a declaration of war against Mexico. This would require the use of nuclear weapons against all major metropolitan areas inside the Mexican border as well as the use of tactical nukes and biological and chemical weapons on the border.

Will you remember to vote for me in 2010?

202 When the final collapse comes, nationalism will come back in a big way.

That's a scary thought.

203

I'm also proposing legislation that will provide flamethrowers to every Arizona peace officer, to be used only against illegal aliens.

Vote for McCain in 2010!

204 Do you mean McCain? Well, let's see:

No, Seth McFarlane, but your McCain impression is dead on.

205 190 President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America's democracy, and may incite "extreme elements" to violence.

Who gets to decide what legitimate discourse is?

Posted by: davidt at May 01, 2010 05:30 PM (aag4W)

Fuck Obama and the racist horse he rode in on.

206 Obama is a Marxist.  He is so used to lying, he has trouble telling the truth....................EVER.

207

My friends,

Just so you know, I killed two illegal aliens before breakfast today. Killed 'em with my bare hands and then called up my best friend Lindsay Graham and we put on their skins and danced around doing the Cucaracha before we buried them. Then we watched Speedy Gonzalez cartoons and laughed our asses off.

Remember to Vote McCain in 2010! (And Graham in 2014!)

208 Mostly peaceful, lol.

209 Considering that I live in Seattle, the fact that the comments are like that leads me to believe that on this issue the politicians, celebrities, and illegal immigrant supporters have totally read the mood of the nation wrong.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 01, 2010 05:37 PM (RZ8pf)

The political and media classes are so far apart from the citizenry on illegal aliens that it is beyond amazing.  THe push for Shamnesty first killed the GOP and then, just one word from Shrillary about supporting Spitzer's treasonous "licenses for illegals" during a primary debate was enough to sink her candidacy, as well as dragging Spitzer down from approval ratings around 70% down to something like 35% in a couple of weeks.

America wants the illegals thrown out, as they have no right to be here and are spitting in our faces with every day they stay.  The politicians just don't get this, and they don't realize that the citizenry is much more powerful than a bunch of screaming illegals and hispanderers.

And all this "racial" bullshit is wearing on people's last nerve.  Every American knows that English as a mother tongue is pretty sure separator between Americans and non-Americans.  Some naturalized Americans will get caught in the net, but that's just tough.  But, these politicians are pushing to somehow convince people that it's impossible to understand what an average American is.  Of course, these are the same yahoos who allowed an ineligible Indonesian to take control of the Executive branch and run our nation into the toilet ...

210 Did you guys catch this yet?

Gabriella Cesito speaks at Tucson city council meeting.  At "Short for Ordinary".  Sorry for no hotlink, the pop up for that has been fritzy for a couple of days now.
 http://tinyurl.com/29837pa

211 This is so troubling! To think that a brown-skinned or "Mexican-looking" person in Arizona carrying an AK-47 and a bale of marijuana could be stopped for no reason and asked to show papers!

212 White People:

Committing Genocide Against Ourselves Since 1965!

213 214 This is so troubling! To think that a brown-skinned or "Mexican-looking" person in Arizona carrying an AK-47 and a bale of marijuana could be stopped for no reason and asked to show papers!

Posted by: Darrin at May 01, 2010 06:23 PM (te/dL)

Positively Naziesque, I say.

214 Sorry for no hotlink, the pop up for that has been fritzy for a couple of days now.
 http://tinyurl.com/29837pa

Posted by: Y-not at May 01, 2010 06:10 PM (Kn9r7)

Gabriella speaks truth, immigrants of latino -hipanic-mexican - other origans that are legal immigrants, that clasp to American ideals ARE being ripped. by the idea, illegals can take the spot of legal immigrants trying to attain Legal Immigration status- . immigration laws in arizona are not onorous(sp) legal obligation. stop.

215

White People:

Committing Genocide Against Ourselves Since 1965!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yep.  When we bought into the one kid/couple and sent Mom to work.

~~~~~~~

I must be a racist for stating facts, right?

216 @161: "Peggy Noonan is the broken clock of political pundits.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yeah, looks like that warm and moist spot for BHO has dried up"

 

That's not the spot he was nailing her in.

217 Like many unions, they have a dues paying base to worry about. Not a lot of Anglos are converting to Catholicism these days.

It's not about money-- trust me on this one.  It's about commie politics.  Bishops are perfectly happy to empty the churches if it means more felt banners and tabernacles made to look like potted plants.  They don't care. 

You will note that only single bishops came forward to denounce Obama's honorary degree at Notre Dame, a direct defiance of the bishops' order to Catholic colleges to only provide honors and a platform for those who support the aims of the Church.  You heard not a peep from the body as a whole.  Why?  Why, the BoyKing's his politics are proper, of course.  The only speakers that provision was meant to block are those who espouse conservative politics and are anti-illegal raaaaaaaaaaciiiiiiiiiists.

218

@171: "When the final collapse comes, nationalism will come back in a big way."

Nope, not nationalism.  Tribalism.

219 I plan on keeping my children well clear of pedophiles.

Excellent plan.  Don't sign them up for Little League, then.  The percentage of pedophilia in the general population is much higher than in the Catholic priesthood (not that this makes ANY pedophilia okay.)

220 I think Peggy would now finally admit that Baracky himself is stupid. He is playing the politics of the '60s to an audience that is now largely not racist or homophobic or uneducated in the ways of Alinskyism. Yet he governs like an student SDS president of a state university.

His election marked the culmination of leftism in the US, not the beginning of it. His piss poor performance is a bad thing in one way but very good in another way. We now know conclusively that the boomer leftists are incompetent jackasses, not our moral and intellectual betters.

Buh-bye Baracky.

221

@183: "This 'fool' is turning the USA Socialist without firing a shot.  Kruschev was a Prophet."

The Soviet Union fell because there weren't enough people willing to kill to maintain the communist system.  The US is falling because no one is willing to kill to maintain their freedom - enough people have bought into the bullshit idea that the government has a natural monopoly on violence.

We've effectively agreed that the Constitution is a suicide pact.

At least when nations enter their final death throws, the parties as people ignore the reality outside their windows tend to be fuckin' awesome.

222

Hmmm, was looking at the LA Times. Seems that less than half the expeceed crowds turned out today. And when viewing ABC News, seems that way less than expected protesters turned out in Phoenix. ABC sort of said hundreds, but from the camera angles it looked more like dozens.

Gee, I wonder why.

 

223 @192: "It pisses me off that Cardinal Mahoney is part of this May Day shit.

The catholic church, along with businesses, has a vested interest in keeping illegals here. They're money makers for both of them."

Churches need their tax-exempt status revoked and revoked hard.  Hell, it was a church group that filed one of the lawsuits against the AZ immigration law.

224

222-Plenty of shenanigans happening in public school as well. 

When I read the "pedo" remark, I immediately thought,,,,,,not nice things.

I will kill anyone who dittles my child.

225

@200: "Pander at your own peril RINO'S..     Piss of your base in order to gain a minority vote.   SMART THINKING JEB, CONNIE et al."

That minority vote will be the majority vote in the not-too-distant future.  Us cracker-ass crackers are history. 

226 Were they all Catholics ?

227 @203: "it is amazing the disconnect between the politicians and the people.

They either are clueless, or they simply do not give a rats ass what the country wants or needs."

Of course they don't care.  They've already got theirs.  Their present and future are as secure as they can make it.  The rank and file exist only to serve them and provide them with free money and labor.  Beyond that, the masses are their enemy.

228 Great. Now somebody send this article to DrewM

229 I think I am going to have to revert to the attitude that my forefathers had: I am a Tennessean first and an American a distant second.

Any President, Congresscritter, or Senator who puts their party or their political careers ahead of the welfare of this country should be blindfolded and . . . Well, you know the rest.

230 Considering that a lot of us Catholics have little love for Cardinal Mahony (or "Cardinal Baloney" as I refer to him), I'd be appreciative if you all would direct your anger in the right direction and avoid the "Catholic priests are kiddy diddlers" meme. Thanks.

231 41: At the rate the government in Mexico City is losing control of Northern Mexico to the drug cartels, and at the rate violence is spilling over into the border states, we won't have a choice but to invade eventually to restore order. Think Pershing and Pancho Villa (though hopefully more effective than that). Anyhow, doesn't the "Bush Doctrine" allow it? I'm sure one of the statements the Legacy Media turned into a "Doctrine" does.

232

 From MSNBC website Protesters are upset over Arizona's tough new immigration law that makes it a crime to be in the United States illegally.

Prior to this I thought doing something that was illegal was the definition of a crime.

233 oh, so now Peggy Noonan gets it. last i heard from her, she was giving the empty suit verbal handjobs. got no use for her, Chris Buckley, Wm Bennett or any of the rest of the blue blood alleged conservatives. Peggy, you stupid old bat, you have a column in the most widely read daily paper in America and you could have said something when it mattered. Retire already, go spend time with the great great great great grandkids. You coulda made a difference, you choice not to, piss off.

234 Don't sign them up for Little League, then.

If a baseball coach gets caught perving on children, he's fired. That's a strong deterrent. I question your statistics, anyway, because the church doesn't report too many incidents.

235 Well, they're not "my" statistics-- rather, those of CA psychologist Thomas Plante, who's been on the notably pro-Catholic NPR.  The WaPo has published similar numbers. 

Here's the thing:  The problem with the shuffling of priests from parish to parish happened after Vatican II when a bunch of leftist psychologists got involved and informed the Church that the compassionate thing to do was to ensure that sexually abusive priests should be "rehabilitated" rather than yanked from public contact.  The ridiculousness only began to be addressed when then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger began forcing the incompetent pro-shuffling US bishops to turn matters over to Rome.

The approach to the problem until recently wasn't at all acceptable, but in no way does that slur represent all priests, many of whom lead tireless, selfless lives.

236 The problem with the shuffling of priests from parish to parish happened after Vatican II when a bunch of leftist psychologists got involved and informed the Church that the compassionate thing to do was to ensure that sexually abusive priests should be "rehabilitated" rather than yanked from public contact.

Posted by: Filly at May 01, 2010 11:23 PM (dSJW9)

Yeah, I got that, and it really doesn't move me. The Church can claim they're dealing with the problem as they see fit. But what they've been doing is hiding the problem until the scandal blew up. Coddling pedophiles was their policy.

Rather than slurring priests, I am pointing up a pattern of chronic dysfunction where political considerations are put ahead of the parishioners' welfare. The Catholic church has a long-standing history of hypocrisy. Winks and nods at abortion, encouraging theft and other crimes, covering up child abuse... it's not a pretty picture.

237

Connie Mack is a buffoon who either hasn't read the law in question or is seriously lacking in elementary reading comprehension.

"More likely he's a corporate shill that's been sitting around with the other traitors at the Chamber of Commerce laughing about how much they can undercut our salaries by flooding the nation with illegals."

Uh, it's both: they're not mutually exclusive.  Remember that this is Connie Mack IV, not his father the former senator: he is a mouth-breathing trustafarian imbecile whose head would fall off without his handlers to keep it on.  Seriously, the guy makes Linc Chafee look like a hard-working genius.

238 But what they've been doing is hiding the problem until the scandal blew up. Coddling pedophiles was their policy.

Rather than slurring priests, I am pointing up a pattern of chronic dysfunction where political considerations are put ahead of the parishioners' welfare.

Emphasis on the past tense:  It WAS the (unspoken) policy.  And we are very much in agreement that it was in no way acceptable.

But your original comment was extremely broad, and caught in the thousands and thousands of priests who are in no way involved in this.  As Angry Beaver said, the enemy here is the left, and the left is using this ridiculous meme as a blunt weapon, even though the numbers on abuse in Protestant congregations is about the same. And I'm sorry, but wherever I see it, I'm going to speak up, even if it's against a fellow moron.

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