May 14, 2010
— DrewM Of course it's to promote peace and tolerance and not serve as some sort of stealth victory monument or anything.
"This is a place which is 600 feet from where almost 3,000 people were torn to pieces by Islamic extremists," said Debra Burlingame, whose brother died in the attack on the Pentagon that day."I think that it is incredibly insensitive and audacious really for them to build a mosque, not only on that site, but to do it specifically so that they could be in proximity to where that atrocity happened," said Burlingame, who is co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America.
The 13-story mosque and cultural center will be built on the site of a four-story building that was a Burlington Coat Factory retail store until 9/11, when part of a plane's landing gear crashed through the roof. The building, which will be razed, currently houses a mosque.
...Though the Cordoba Initiative's website calls part of the $100 million-plus project a mosque, its founder, Imam Rauf, says the project is not a mosque but a community center for all faiths that will include recreational facilities, a prayer space and a 500-seat theater that can be a part of the neighborhood's trendy Tribeca Film Festival.
Rauf insists the effort is meant to help heal the wounds of 9/11, "We've approached the community because we want this to be an example of how we are cooperating with the members of the community, not only to provide services but also to build a new discourse on how Muslims and non-Muslims can cooperate together to push back against the voices of extremism."
But Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, says there are more productive ways to fight Islamic extremism.
"Even when they have the resources, they are using it for a place of worship, a cultural center for organizations," he said. They are not using it for a counterterrorism research center.
"They are not using it to lead the war like Americans need to see us do and they are wasting our resources, not to mention that being close to the hallowed ground that is so sensitive in the souls of the families of 9/11. I think it is extremely poor judgment."
Here's an idea, if Rauf is so interested in trying to "push back against the voices of extremism", why doesn't he open his mosque/community center in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan? Those are the places where this alleged hijacking of Islam is taking place. Go there and show the people running the Islamic purity police or the madrassas the error of their ways. Help to bring them into the 21st century world where people are supposed to respect one another and coexist.
The very fact that there were not riots and wanton killing of Muslims after 9/11 or any of the other Islamic attacks here shows we Americans pretty much have this tolerance thing covered. If Rauf is so damn worried about the future go where the next set of killers are and put them on the right path. Allow me to offer Rauf a bit of assistance in this noble mission...they aren't in lower Manhattan and they aren't learning about Islam as a tile in some post-modern American mosaic.
I'm rather fed up with the assumption that it America that needs to be reached out to, that it's American that must accept others. We get it, we do it.
Ground Zero is sufficient testament to the influence of Islam in the modern world, we don't need a mega-mosque next door to remind us.
Speaking of which...Lt. Col Allen West (USA Ret.) and candidate for Congress, was asked at a symposium awhile back about the nature of the enemy we face. While others on the panel stammered, Col. West got right to it: It's the Islam, stupid.
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Are they going to let men and women of different faiths pray there? Are they going to let men and women of different faiths be in the same room together? Just, you know, asking.
Has the world truly gone insane?
Yuppers.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 14, 2010 09:59 AM (8WZWv)
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And there's -
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Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 14, 2010 10:01 AM (r1h5M)
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Posted by: CoolCzech at May 14, 2010 10:02 AM (9IHmo)
There is yet another really, really disturbing element to this ...
You know damned well that this huge mosque will be completed long before the new WTC does. Thus a huge dominant muslim symbol will tower over a big gaping hole that islam created.
This bothers me to no end.
Posted by: Alisa at May 14, 2010 10:03 AM (vkCd8)
Reading the lefty pablum the good Imam is spewing, I'm actually wondering if this isn't meant in modestly good faith (no pun intended).
Tribeca Film Festival is going to show movies there?
Like this one:
http://www.tribecafilm.com/tribecafilm/Swimsuit_Issue.html
I don't know, morons, if that's the case, this isn't a Wahhabi monument so much as a muslim middle finger to Al Q.
I'm genuinely torn now whether this is something good or bad.
More info, plz.
Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 10:03 AM (UaxA0)
Or that it's a project of the Cordoba Foundation.
Or what that's named after. (Capital of the whatiphate? The caliwhat?)
Good times.
Posted by: oblig. at May 14, 2010 10:03 AM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 14, 2010 10:03 AM (zgd5N)
Posted by: Ken Royall at May 14, 2010 10:04 AM (9zzk+)
But a 13 story mosque at the spot where thousands of americans were killed by Islamists? No sweat!
Amazing. They need to agitate the masses. That's the core of what they are doing. They sit down and come up with any obnoxious idea they know is unfair and frustrating, and then they do it.
Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at May 14, 2010 10:04 AM (dUOK+)
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Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at May 14, 2010 10:04 AM (veL4N)
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Posted by: t-bird at May 14, 2010 10:08 AM (FcR7P)
They're mush-headed lefties. One of their staff used to work for Soros.
read the bios.
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/staff-bios
When I heard about this last week, I was really hoping this place would collapse "mysteriously" the day after it opened, but I'm wondering if these are the fabled "moderate Muslims" we've been asking for for 10 years.
Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 10:09 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Usful Ijit at May 14, 2010 10:12 AM (sLjgA)
"The Obama administration on Thursday threw its support behind a $23 billion measure intended to avert large-scale teacher layoffs, urging Congress to include the effort in a spending bill lawmakers are drafting to fund wartime costs and other urgent needs."
Posted by: Union Joe at May 14, 2010 10:12 AM (BZTc5)
These jihadi fucks sure are not into subtlety.
I've got your caliphate right here, assholes.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 14, 2010 10:13 AM (c7UMz)
1. A monument to American Air Power in Nagasaki Japan
2. A memorial to horse mounted cavalry located at Wounded Knee.
3. The Stearns-Ruger museum erected at Kent State.
4. An Islamic Mosque built next to the World Trade Center site.
Come on.... you guys remember words.....Sing along with us.
Three of these things belong together. Three of these things are kind of the same. But one of these things is not like the other........
Posted by: The Electric Cmpnay at May 14, 2010 10:14 AM (J5Hcw)
Posted by: Chaz at May 14, 2010 10:15 AM (u3fm3)
Posted by: Pyrocles at May 14, 2010 10:17 AM (xzSvW)
This guy iz da Bomb...........
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 14, 2010 10:17 AM (JrRME)
Posted by: mokimoki at May 14, 2010 10:20 AM (IrV7s)
Yet another reason to vote for him.
Posted by: pep at May 14, 2010 10:21 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: t-bird at May 14, 2010 10:26 AM (FcR7P)
What's more disgraceful, more deplorable and more despicable about that than the Viet Nam War Memorial in Washington, D.C.; a "V" for victory by the North Vietnamese; the design for which was by a (very liberal) Chinese-American woman who was an activist in the anti-war movement. The same complacency that we're witnessing with the shenanigans of the Obama Administration, and the same failure of the liberal MSM to report a story in its proper context.
Posted by: Dianne & Brian at May 14, 2010 10:35 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: mokimoki at May 14, 2010 10:41 AM (IrV7s)
Posted by: SFC MAC at May 14, 2010 10:48 AM (RPkOk)
It came up, as well as much complaining that the monument lacked the soaring uplift that most associated with a war memorial.
On the plus side, if she was trying to dick us, she failed utterly, and managed to produce an emotionally moving masterpiece about self-sacrifice and duty. Its gripping in the same way Arlington Cemetery or Flanders is, but instead of crosses, row on row, its names, seemingly endless names. Names of young lives lost, of futures never experienced.
It takes a heart of stone not to weep there.
Posted by: damian at May 14, 2010 10:52 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: mokimoki at May 14, 2010 10:56 AM (IrV7s)
I visited Pearl Harbor in '99. There were lots of Japanese tourists at the USS Arizona but not so much at the USS Missouri.
Now the Missouri was a new attraction at that point and may not have made it on to the tour lists yet or you know, there were other reasons. I wonder what it's like now.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 14, 2010 10:59 AM (9B5OK)
It's an amazing phenomenon. I've seen packs of loud, skate boarding teens going about their day in the clueless way kids do suddenly turn serious and respectful.
I've seen whiny, bratty kids suddenly go quiet without any prompting from their parents.
It's like there's an invisible line and on some level it reaches everyone...this ground is different. It's an almost visceral, unconscious reaction.
I'm not sure what the (at the time) young woman's motivations were but we owe her a debt of gratitude for what she gave physical form to.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 14, 2010 11:06 AM (9B5OK)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 14, 2010 11:09 AM (68tQb)
This is the message I left at the Cordoba Initiative website:
You want to “improve” muslim-West relations? Leave the country. Your Islam is diametrically opposed to Western culture and values. Your terrorist activities are incorporated into your religion, as proscribed by Mohammad in his 7th Century screed. Building a mosque anywhere in the U.S., especially within range of the 9/11 attack sites, is a slap in the face of America.
The premise of Islam leaves no room for tolerance of any other religion. Islam by nature, is a violent, misogynist, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic philosophy. We do not have to be inclusive of a brutal religious sect that declared war against the West in 692 AD, and has a goal of a world Caliphate. Tell you what Khan and friends, when Saudi Arabia allows a church to be built in Riyadh, you might have some credence. Until then: Allah u Fuckbar.
On a side note:
And to the assclowns in the NYC Community Board who approved this shit: Take a good look at your skyline. See anything missing?
Posted by: SFC MAC at May 14, 2010 11:30 AM (RPkOk)
You can say that. You weren't there. You were out playing while good men were dying in Viet Nam.
I suspect that survivors of the World Trade Center masacre will view a Muslim Mosque on that location the same way that [informed] Viet Nam Veterans view that Memorial in Washington, D.C.; just another betrayal by complacent, clueless, obtuse, shallow, narcissistic and blissfully ignorant Americans.
But hey, I don't hold it against you.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at May 14, 2010 11:31 AM (ITzbJ)
Has anyone else noticed that there is something trolly and astro-turfy about many of the posts on here? #7, #46, specifically.
Posted by: dandoz at May 14, 2010 11:33 AM (WULfn)
Posted by: Druid at May 14, 2010 11:53 AM (Oe01r)
Posted by: dandoz
YES, but not those two.
Posted by: Druid at May 14, 2010 11:54 AM (Oe01r)
They are doing EXACTLY what this book says. - Lt. Col. Allen West
Truer words, my friends, truer words.
Posted by: Schwalbe at May 14, 2010 11:56 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: mokimoki at May 14, 2010 12:19 PM (IrV7s)
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Posted by: A Casual Observation at May 14, 2010 12:46 PM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: mokimoki at May 14, 2010 01:39 PM (IrV7s)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 14, 2010 01:47 PM (5Etcj)
Geezez, Moki, now you're being goofy. The obvious message there was that if the shoe fits, wear it, and if it doesn't fit, don't sweat it.
There's nothing worse than an opinionated woman who is absolutely clueless.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at May 14, 2010 01:59 PM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Anon at May 14, 2010 02:43 PM (GpHQ+)
Posted by: rumcrook™ at May 14, 2010 03:42 PM (60WiD)
He started the Katy Pig Races instead. Happend on the muzzie holy day of the week.
Posted by: TexBob at May 14, 2010 03:50 PM (2jp4I)
There's a better link for this same Q&A. The difference is the audio and video are in synch. The current link isn't synched and I find it a bit annoying. The only issue is that the audio doesn't begin until the 9 sec mark. Search Youtube for "Col West speaks on Islam now and always" by vladtepesblogdotcom.
Posted by: Bill at May 14, 2010 04:19 PM (/D3Om)
Posted by: Christine at May 14, 2010 07:59 PM (nd1+9)
OH, and ALLEN WEST FOR PRESIDENT!
Posted by: Beverly at May 14, 2010 10:24 PM (tZvAN)
Posted by: Gem at May 15, 2010 04:10 AM (zw+pb)
Geezez, Moki, now you're being goofy. The obvious message there was that if the shoe fits, wear it, and if it doesn't fit, don't sweat it.
There's nothing worse than an opinionated woman who is absolutely clueless.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at May 14, 2010 05:59 PM (ITzbJ)
So "clue" us in, asshole. Who was the comment directed at?
Posted by: SFC MAC at May 15, 2010 07:02 AM (RPkOk)
Posted by: kansas at May 15, 2010 09:37 AM (2kVkH)
I will get down on my knees every night and pray that someone dose'nt fly a drone or some other kind of plane into that poor mosque
Posted by: Spike at May 15, 2010 12:06 PM (+EJ7Y)
"the old town contains many impressive architectural reminders of when Qurṭuba (قرطبة
In other words, they see this as their base in the new most populated city in the world, and (they hope) the capital of the new caliphate. This place needs to get struck by a little "Sicilian lightning".
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