August 04, 2010
— Ace The South -- well, we expect big things from the South. There still are a bunch of Democrat-held seats -- by tradition more than by voter conviction -- and those may soon turn Republican. (And, as a Democratic strategist warned earlier this year, some of these seats which have remained Democratic mostly out of tradition "may not ever be coming back." Or words to that precise effect.)
Republicans actually won the popular vote for the House in the North (defined as the other 36 states) by a 51 percent to 48 percent majority [in the 1966 anti-Great Society landslide, which Barone figures is analogous to this year]. They have only done so since in three elections, in 1968 (a virtual carbon copy of 1966 in House races), in their breakthrough year of 1994 and in the post-9/11 year of 2002.Current polling data suggests that Republicans have a chance of doing so once again in 2010. The realclearpolitics.com's average of recent generic ballot polls -- which party's candidate for the House would you vote for? -- shows Republicans ahead by a historically unprecedented margin of 46 percent to 40 percent.
If those numbers hold, and if they turn out to underpredict Republican performance in the popular vote, as they have in the past, that could mean that Republicans would win a popular vote plurality or majority in the North. Those are two significant ifs, but they're possible.
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Republicans could easily gain 20 seats in the South. But they could gain even more in the North if current numbers hold up.
In 2008, Democrats won the popular vote in the North by 57 percent to 40 percent -- roughly comparable to their lead way back in 1964, the year of Lyndon Johnson's landslide.
If the popular vote in the North should turn out to go narrowly Republican, as it did in 1966, it could be disaster for Democrats. They lost a net 38 seats in the North that year, when they held just about as many seats Northern seats as now. Not a happy scenario for Democrats. But not out of the realm of possibility.
Missouri, it is always noted, is the eternal bellwether, a state which almost perfectly mirrors the partisan split and ideological impulses of the entire nation. Famously, it's the state that always votes for the winner in every presidential contest, since eighteen blah-blah-blah. (Whatever it is. Google it.)
So in which direction is weathervane Missouri pointing?
How big was this victory? Three weeks ago, Rasmussen polled likely voters in Missouri and asked whether they supported repeal of ObamaCare. At that time, 58% said they supported its repeal, with 50% strongly supporting it. Thirty-eight percent said they opposed repeal. That 58/38 split turned into a 71/29 disaster for Democrats and Obama.If anything, this shows that opposition to ObamaCare is growing, not receding, but thatÂ’s probably not what actually happened. While general-population and registered-voter samples may have seen a bit of softening to ObamaCare opposition, those arenÂ’t the people turning out to vote this year. Even Rasmussen may be underestimating the power of ObamaCare repeal in its likely-voter turnout, as their last poll on this question in Missouri clearly underestimated (in an indirect survey, of course) the results for this election.
Indeed. Even Rasmussen, derided by the Kool-Aid drinkin' left as stacked in favor of conservative voters, massively understated the conservative advantage in the state that leads the nation politically.
Ed says these results pricked the media bubble (their false, liberal-friendly cocooning) on ObamaCare. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that. As with Martha Coakley (and Corzine and Deeds), the media is about to go into excuse-making mode. They will focus on the failure of proper organization in favor of ObamaCare (against the referendum) and blow it off as a case of "Well of course people are going to vote against their taxes going up."
And they'll be blissfully oblivious as to the import of that. Well of course people are going to vote against their taxes going up. It's just not going to sink in that an awful lot is packaged up in that dismissive "Of course."
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Posted by: vinman at August 04, 2010 06:09 AM (HOYRo)
Posted by: Nighhawk at August 04, 2010 06:10 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 04, 2010 06:10 AM (fuw6p)
Posted by: jjshaka at August 04, 2010 06:11 AM (lkUER)
Posted by: Astoria Association of LBGT-friendly Progressives at August 04, 2010 06:11 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: Time at August 04, 2010 06:14 AM (7ppar)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 04, 2010 10:10 AM (fuw6p)
Of course not. We don't need a rift in the space-time continuum ...
Posted by: Josef K., born in Alabama, living in PA at August 04, 2010 06:14 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:17 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at August 04, 2010 06:18 AM (PZLW0)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:19 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Marcia Coakley at August 04, 2010 06:20 AM (3iMgs)
Posted by: Trent at August 04, 2010 06:20 AM (EmOxW)
That 58/71 gap looks like a voter-idiocy gap. Proposition win/loss numbers don't correlate well with votes people don't have to read. There are at least a few "Health insurance? For it!" points in that 71—probably about 13.
But 58 is still great, if the GOP runs on the kind of "no on bad stuff" platform that would actually get that 58.
But they won't.
Posted by: oblig. at August 04, 2010 06:21 AM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: James Car-vile at August 04, 2010 10:17 AM (IhHdM)
FIFY.
My FIL, a proud eastern PA farmer, always said that the state would be a much nicer place to live if they could find a way to give Philadelphia to New Jersey and Pittsburgh to Ohio.
Posted by: Nighhawk at August 04, 2010 06:22 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: James Car-vile at August 04, 2010 10:17 AM (IhHdM)
I'm hoping we can sell Pittsburgh to Ohio and Philadelphia to New Jersey (they deserve each other). Maybe we should use the Newsweak strategy; sell them for a dollar each. We'd come out way ahead in the long run.
Posted by: Josef K., born in Alabama, living in PA at August 04, 2010 06:22 AM (7+pP9)
A lot of them are converted FDR Democrats. A while back as the old yellow dog Democrats started getting older and older this wing of the Dem Party started seeing the handwriting on the wall. A large percentage of them switched parties in order to keep on getting elected.
So now what we have in SC is a very conservative Republican governor continually fighting with a very liberal tax and spend legislature who have R's after their names.
But things are looking up. After all, RINO Inglis got booted and now his true colors are showing as he talks trash about the Republican party.
Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2010 06:23 AM (/jbAw)
Care to elaborate on this? This definitely sounds like a story worth hearing.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 04, 2010 06:23 AM (olRjO)
I think that if the "great uniter" could only manage to sow a little more racial strife and division, he could probably turn this around.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2010 06:24 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: 48%er at August 04, 2010 06:24 AM (kcqZS)
@24
Do I understand you correctly -- poll results are more meaningful than actual votes in the ballot box???? Huh???
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at August 04, 2010 06:25 AM (PZLW0)
Um, Missouri's a Red State now, not a "bellwether" anymore. It voted McCain / Palin when even North Carolina didn't.
I'd classify North Carolina as the national bellwether now. If we're keeping west of Mississippi, then Colorado.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 04, 2010 06:26 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: NJConservative at August 04, 2010 06:26 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2010 06:28 AM (xsupj)
Posted by: t-bird at August 04, 2010 06:28 AM (f/uoy)
Posted by: Trent at August 04, 2010 06:28 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: VicePresidentBiteMe at August 04, 2010 06:28 AM (/H8uK)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:28 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: 48%er at August 04, 2010 10:24 AM (kcqZS)
Maybe we just need to readjust some borders. What other adjustments would morons make to engineer more consistent states (in other words, to ditch some red state loser cities on blue states)?
Posted by: Josef K., looking at a map ... at August 04, 2010 06:29 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Moi at August 04, 2010 06:29 AM (bjYAr)
I've finally made my peace. By the standards of 2010, Alabama is one of the better states.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 04, 2010 06:29 AM (IkEhE)
84% of the American people say turn around, they best listen.
Posted by: bill-tb at August 04, 2010 06:31 AM (y+QfZ)
Do I understand you correctly -- poll results are more meaningful than actual votes in the ballot box???? Huh???
Depends on what the definition of 'is' is, don't it?
Ignore the concern types.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 04, 2010 06:31 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: 48%er at August 04, 2010 06:31 AM (kcqZS)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:32 AM (SB0V2)
Summer 09: The Pumping: The President's Party historically loses seats in a midterm election. Nothing to see here. We still have Obamacare.
Fall 09: The Dumping: Angry White Males!!! Haters!!!
Posted by: Gravitas the Troll at August 04, 2010 06:32 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2010 06:32 AM (fQbcU)
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 04, 2010 10:29 AM (IkEhE)
Yeah. When things fall apart, I'm hoping an Alabama birth certificate will help me repatriate down there. I'll bring my own guns and ammo ...
Posted by: Josef K., looking at the future at August 04, 2010 06:32 AM (7+pP9)
I have a generally good impression of Alabama, based on people I've met from the northern part of it. But I suspect that investors are looking at Birmingham's financial woes and worrying about what the state will end up having to do about it.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 04, 2010 06:33 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2010 06:33 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: GarandFan at August 04, 2010 06:34 AM (XaWFq)
"Also maybe let South Philly (or portions thereof) join Delaware County and stay."
Please give DelCo to New Jersey. Please.
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at August 04, 2010 06:34 AM (HaYO4)
Posted by: Barack Obama at August 04, 2010 06:34 AM (bN5ZU)
These elite corrupt bubble dwellers(D) have no idea how much this nation did not want ObamaCare. Hell, I know die hard democrats who blindly love Obama who don't want ObamaCare.
Feel the burn, Democrats.
Democrats want to turn America into D E T R O I T. (I think Crowder made the most compelling case against the destructive democrat agenda.) ( psssssttt Restupidcans - take the lead, you dummies)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 04, 2010 06:35 AM (0fzsA)
The north is this place where the sweet tea sucks and the women don't.
Posted by: MFM at August 04, 2010 06:35 AM (ZXnUe)
Also maybe let South Philly (or portions thereof) join Delaware County and stay.
2 Street Pizza, Geno's, and the Navy base.
Posted by: 48%er at August 04, 2010 06:35 AM (kcqZS)
"Born and raised in PA. Saw off the eastern end and you got yourself a pretty nice state."
Hey, be nice. Delaware County ain't that bad.
Posted by: Lazarus Long at August 04, 2010 06:37 AM (8edQv)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:37 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Laura
That will never happen. EVER.
Posted by: Mets fan at August 04, 2010 06:37 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: t-bird at August 04, 2010 06:37 AM (f/uoy)
I would classify CO as a purpole State moving steadily to blue. There is an article over at the Standard that tries to explain this as a Dem strategy but it is not.
It is the steady ingress of eco-tards and yuppie moon-bats from CA into CO that have caused that.
The same thing has happened to NC but it had a large population base to begin with so it is still on the ledge. Also, its moon-bats are coming from he NE rather than CA.
Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2010 06:38 AM (/jbAw)
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm pretty sure Austin-- where all the libs live--is not a "sanctuary city," unlike all the other cities where the normal people live. Obviously the leadership of those other cities is not populated with normal people.
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 04, 2010 06:38 AM (fuw6p)
Place I lived in was broken into within three days of moving in. I had no loss, just my roommate, but it was a great 'Welcome to Birmingham' to get. And to make matters worse, when the got the guy and it was supposed to go to trial, I was set to testify. Then they dropped it without bothering to let me know. I found out at the courthouse, on the appointed day, when I got someone to track down what happened.
I had a dream where the statue of Vulcan animated and wrecked the town. A happy dream, that was.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 04, 2010 06:38 AM (IkEhE)
Posted by: I knew the situation was bad. But I didn't know that it was THAT bad at August 04, 2010 06:40 AM (sYrWB)
I was reading the Gallup Poll State of the States and every state in the Union is red right now in terms of number of conservatives to number of liberals.
In the top ten conservative states concervatives outnumbered liberals at least 2 to 1. In the top ten liberal states conservatives still either tied or outnumbered liberals. The one exception was the district of columbia.
We need to keep the pressure up. The vote in Missouri rejecting Obamacaresocialisttakeoverofhealthcare is going to be huge this fall. Voters by 3 to 1 told Obama and the democrats to stick it.
Posted by: robtr at August 04, 2010 06:40 AM (fwSHf)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2010 06:41 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: you're welcome at August 04, 2010 06:41 AM (9B8os)
Posted by: madamex at August 04, 2010 06:41 AM (jChrK)
Posted by: Fritz Wales at August 04, 2010 06:42 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 04, 2010 06:42 AM (YVZlY)
Posted by: madamex at August 04, 2010 10:41 AM (jChrK)
And "racism", lots more "racism"...
Posted by: Nighhawk at August 04, 2010 06:42 AM (OtQXp)
Roxborough? Where you sled down the side of a cliff in winter with 4,000 pound automobiles?
Had a girlfriend there many years ago who would get pissed at me 'cause I wouldn't go up that hill to take her out on snowy days.
Posted by: Downsized Upscale
And in summer, they find other idiots willing to bust their guts pedaling bikes up those same hills (Manayunk wall).
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2010 06:43 AM (R2fpr)
Alabama didn't go for You-Know-Who. It's also the 5th largest auto industry in the US, lest you think it's all rural here. And we have some damn fine colleges and medical facilities.
The hell you say!!
Posted by: DOCTOR AMY FUCKING BISHOP at August 04, 2010 06:44 AM (fLHQe)
"I'm more worried about the voting patterns HERE in stupid formerly-conservative Chester County. . . "
Chester County is where all the tired-of-the-city folks & smart DelCo-ians are moving to. I can't believe how much housing has been crammed in there over the past 5 years. I moved to DelCo from ChesCo and it's like living in another dimension 20 miles away. I'm surrounded by Zubaz & Obama stickers. Help!
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at August 04, 2010 06:44 AM (HaYO4)
@#46 - Ignore the concern types.
Well, it's nice to know that the Concerned Christian Conservatives are still posting here.
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at August 04, 2010 06:44 AM (PZLW0)
Just heard on the radio: What's the defination of a racist? Someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.
Anyone notice that the left is starting to replace "racist" with "bigot" in the last couple of weeks. They may think that "racist" has had it's day. Keep an eye out for "bigot" instead, I think we're changing like "liberal" became "progressive" (which is worse but to the uninitiated sounds hip).
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2010 06:44 AM (464eJ)
The democrats have held the reigns of power since 2006.
Funny how they don't get any blame or the terrible mess we are in.
The blame still goes to Boooosh. Thanks MSM -- you are so professional.
If the R's win in 2010, the MSM will instantly blame everything on the R's.
So in 2012 - Obama might be fine and dandy because of the Media R-onlyblame-shift. Then the D's take over again and we are right back where we started. In the toilet.
the dems have a plan!
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 04, 2010 06:45 AM (0fzsA)
The hell you say!!
Posted by: DOCTOR AMY FUCKING BISHOP
Ah. Milady hath returned. Have you met our guest blogger, Mr Will Folks?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2010 06:45 AM (R2fpr)
The reality I fear is that, should Republicans win every single election this year, they will be cowed by the Media into governing by Liberal principles, ie, Obama's wish list goes forward. Republicans who balk will be called "mean," "uncaring" and of course "racist."
"Vote Republican: Because you hate the Democrats more"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 04, 2010 06:46 AM (eNxMU)
Posted by: The Graveyard at August 04, 2010 06:46 AM (V3jYk)
Posted by: trailortrash at August 04, 2010 06:47 AM (zB1JW)
Nah, it's not illegals voting in RGV (at least, not since Lyndon Johnson in 1960). RGV was forcibly annexed to Texas after the Mexican War and never got culturally assimilated. The people there don't like Mexico but they're pretty ambiguous about America too. (Okay, that they have in common with Anglo Texans...)
I've been to the RGV; I like the people there. But the RGV is an arid region that needs federal support; so they're going to vote for the party which promises that.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 04, 2010 06:48 AM (9Sbz+)
SUMMON THE METEORS!
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 04, 2010 06:50 AM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 04, 2010 06:50 AM (2g2ex)
"...the media is about to go into excuse-making mode. They will focus on the failure of proper organization in favor of ObamaCare (against the referendum) and blow it off as a case of "Well of course people are going to vote against their taxes going up."
I daresay you give them too much credit. They'll blame it on "Faux Snooze", then start revving up for Cap'n Tax.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 04, 2010 06:50 AM (fLHQe)
Just make sure you get out there and vote.
Posted by: looking closely at August 04, 2010 06:51 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: You don't have to be loony to comment here. But it gives you more credibility at August 04, 2010 06:51 AM (sYrWB)
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2010 06:52 AM (464eJ)
Why, it is almost as if they are all part of a self-selecting insular clique or something.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 04, 2010 06:55 AM (IQBsP)
You thought I'd miss a poll thread didn't you. Too bad suckas.
Posted by: In before the troll at August 04, 2010 06:55 AM (P9+0W)
SUMMON THE METEORS!
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors.
Let's calm down people. There's just some things that cannot be plausible. Unless of course, Ace stayed up around the clock.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2010 06:58 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2010 10:52 AM (464eJ)
Muslims don't celebrate Christmas.
Posted by: Josef K. is really tired of being gracious at August 04, 2010 06:58 AM (7+pP9)
#96 - For the Obamas to have completely abandoned the traditional gift giving is very weird and strangely rigid.
True, and following through on the weird, how about the Obamas sticking one kid in summer camp, Michelle with the other kid heading off to hobnob with jet setters in Marbella, while daddy (the Big O hisself) celebrates his birthday by hobnobbing with associates of the Chicago "outfit"?
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at August 04, 2010 07:00 AM (PZLW0)
Fixed.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 04, 2010 07:00 AM (IkEhE)
Posted by: kansas at August 04, 2010 07:01 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: JohnW at August 04, 2010 07:03 AM (3EkmD)
That was pretty good, Barry. You need to say "I" more and maybe throw in something about a car crash and you're good to go.
Posted by: David Axelrod at August 04, 2010 07:03 AM (NmcJ6)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 04, 2010 07:05 AM (1y717)
At this rate, the Conn. senate race will be rated "leaning Democrat" by Labor Day.
Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2010 07:08 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: 0oooooo, Boo (y'all) Gene Roddenberry apparition at August 04, 2010 07:09 AM (sYrWB)
Posted by: Chris Christie at August 04, 2010 07:12 AM (SiJAR)
how about the Obamas sticking one kid in summer camp, Michelle with the other kid heading off to hobnob with jet setters in Marbella, while daddy (the Big O hisself) celebrates his birthday by hobnobbing with associates of the Chicago "outfit"?
I didn't know they sent one off. Was it the younger one? She's the one they called fat and stupid. I get the impression she isn't the favorite.
It sure would have been nice if the media (ahem) had told the public about their weird personal habits before the election. It's like one of those people who seem normal to you until you find out they have a weird obcession.
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2010 07:12 AM (464eJ)
Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2010 11:08 AM (HjPtV)
You should see the ad that Peter Schiff is running against her. I'll see if it's on youtube.
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2010 07:12 AM (VuLos)
The shit that is in the 0bamacare bill started hitting August 1, as that's the cut-off for any chance to save your existing plan or get a plan that might be grandfathered in. I think this is because the mandates hit September 23, so the insurance companies set that date to give them time to see how things will shake out--how people react to the shit storm of bad news that they are required to send out.
The hits will keep coming every week through October--every week hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to get letters from their insurer explaining how they are going to have to pay more no matter what and if they dare change anything, they are going to pay a lot more.
And the best part? 90%+ of these letters will be going to Republican and Republican-leaning voters (unless you think Dem and Dem-inclined actually pay for their own health-care?).
That wave you're seeing now? It's going to be a fucking Cat5 hurricane by November as millions of hard-working, honest Americans--already struggling to pay their own way, while watching D.C. piss away money left and right--get letters telling them they have to pay for some one else's insurance and they will be fined by IRS if they refuse to pay.
Oh, people are going to be pissed, real pissed.
Posted by: jimmuy at August 04, 2010 07:13 AM (66ScL)
Muslims don't have a problem with Christmas. Q. 19:33 - "Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive". This is also on the Dome of the Rock.
The Christian holy day which Muslims don't like is Good Friday. Muslims object to the Cross; they are docetists, who deny that Jesus died. The "day I die" quoted above is a prediction of the apocalyptic future, when Jesus comes back as a mortal.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 04, 2010 07:14 AM (9Sbz+)
If I were living in Connecticut, I'd probably vote for Schiff, but I suspect that the Schiff ad isn't very persuasive - it's my opinion that in a video ad, visuals always trump narrative, and the visuals in that YouTube link scream "Linda's going to kick Dick Blumenthal in the 'nads". Now, if the Schiff team had some tape of McMahon at a Dem fundraiser or a DNC convention, that might help.
Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2010 07:28 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Obama looked the same way 49 years ago, only smaller at August 04, 2010 07:32 AM (sYrWB)
This is worse than that time that Foghorn Leghorn reached into the doghouse, grabbed the dog by the tail, hauled his butt out, lifted it, and spanked it red with a board.
<points to D's> Ow.
<points to D's some more> Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ............ heh.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 04, 2010 07:36 AM (BqSr3)
Um, Missouri's a Red State now, not a "bellwether" anymore. It voted McCain / Palin when even North Carolina didn't.
I'd classify North Carolina as the national bellwether now. If we're keeping west of Mississippi, then Colorado.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 04, 2010 10:26 AM (9Sbz+)
I don't think you can credibly make the definitive claim that Missouri is not a "bellwether" anymore based on one election considering the unique circumstances of that election (e.g., black presidential nominee, female VP nominee, financial crisis). With the exception of 1956 and 2008, Missouri has voted for the winner in all U.S. Presidential elections since 1904. Plus, they have a Democrat as Governor, a Republican and Democrat as their two Senators, and a 5-4 split (advantage GOP) in the House.
Also, according to a Gallup poll from earlier this year, it is considered a Democratic leaning state as the state's Democratic supporters outnumber Republican supporters by at least 5 percentage points but less than 10 points (http://tinyurl.com/23lpwk3).
Maybe the state is starting to trend more to the Right and will be a solid Red state in the relatively near future but based on all the current evidence it certainly seems to still be one of 5-10 "bellwether" states.
Posted by: Slappy at August 04, 2010 08:21 AM (ljvjO)
The only difference between Californians and Missourian's is that Californians have not just nicer scenery, but scenery, period.
Posted by: I'm not saying that Missouri is dreary and boring, but ......^....... at August 04, 2010 09:12 AM (sYrWB)
And guess why the Progressives/Democrats are going gaga over amnesty in spite of unprecedented movement away from it from legal citizens? They desperately need the influx of State-dependent, liberal poor to dilute the now flowing conservatism of the South since electoral seats are a growth industry there. The South is gaining representation, the North losing it. The Precedent et al. cannot back off this pro-amnesty, litigious assault on the likes of an AZ because it's their best option in their minds to coopt the illegal, mostly Hispanic voting bloc and save the South from "permanent" Conservatism.
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