March 13, 2010
— Gabriel Malor Seriously, while CNN and the NYTimes have studiously been avoiding the astroturfed origins of the "Coffee Party", reporter George Bennett has been laying it all out in south Florida paper the Palm Beach Post.
Now, you don't get credit for doing the right thing. But I give George a heckuva pat on the back for his follow-up reporting from the Coffee Party event this afternoon. As my twitter-pal @OneFineJay says, it truly deserves a "Not on the Onion" label for its humor, irony, and overall tone. I give it a B-plus.
This is not an auspicious beginning to a political movement:
Venting about the conservative tea party movement and talking — at times heatedly — about the need for civility in public discourse marked the debut meeting of a local "coffee party" group today."Frankly, we are petrified by the tea party and what they stand for and what they're talking about," said Monte Carmel, a retired business executive from West Palm Beach.
"I'm tired of all the misinformation, the cute little labels the fright-wing has thrown on everything," said a man named Russ.
"We have to stop the mantra of no taxes, no taxes, no taxes," said Marcia Halpern of Palm Beach Gardens.
Brownstein, who is white, said "white southerners in this country are going nuts" because of the popularity of black figures like President Obama and Oprah Winfrey. He said he raised the issue because "you have to know who your enemy is."
[...]
Mary Castronuovo of Palm Beach Gardens said she doesn't want the coffee party to be defined by its criticism of the tea party.
"I would be discouraged if this group became just a counter to the tea party," she said. "We can't make them the enemy."
Don't worry, sister. There's already a group counter to the Tea Party: Democrats.
Via Allah.
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Um, if "white Southerners" had such a problem with Oprah, somehow I don't think she'd be the most watched show on daytime TV.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:07 PM (gofDd)
I bet Monte couldn't even tell you what the tea party stands for.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:08 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:09 PM (ooI/T)
100 bucks and the Blade of Olympus says that Marcia takes out all deductions on her income taxes that she can and probably doesn't donate at all to any charities.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:09 PM (otlXg)
*I had no idea that taxes aren't collected in this nation? Like, that's so unfair.
The government should start collecting taxes and stuff.*
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 13, 2010 04:09 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 13, 2010 04:09 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:10 PM (ooI/T)
Look on CNN. There was one pic of 4 people around a table and they looked like college kids. Very pathetic.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:10 PM (otlXg)
*I want the government to pay for my time sipping lattes, talking about how great the government is*. *Free health care would be nice, too.*
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 13, 2010 04:11 PM (0fzsA)
Venting about the conservative tea party movement and talking — at times heatedly — about the need for civility in public discourse marked the debut meeting of a local "coffee party" group today.
Civility in public discourse?...where were they during the Bush Derangement Movement? I'd say hanging a doll/effigy of Sarah Palin off your house pretty much negates any possibility of civility.
Posted by: Unemployed people at Acme flour mill at March 13, 2010 04:11 PM (meO/l)
Posted by: garrett at March 13, 2010 04:12 PM (uqYMv)
Posted by: Dave J. at March 13, 2010 04:13 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:13 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2010 04:13 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: robotwhisper at March 13, 2010 04:14 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:14 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: Unemployed people at Acme flour mill at March 13, 2010 04:14 PM (meO/l)
I'll bet Coffee Partiers can make a 20 minute impromptu speech about why we need to stop "climate change" or we're all going do die!!!eleventy!!!!
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:14 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: garrett at March 13, 2010 04:15 PM (uqYMv)
about the need for civility in public discourse marked the debut meeting of a local "coffee party" group today.
[...]
"I'm tired of all the misinformation, the cute little labels the fright-wing has thrown on everything," said a man named Russ.
So we need more civility in politics, and we get there by insulting those we disagree with. Ok...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:16 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 13, 2010 04:16 PM (OkT2m)
Does that differentiate me from the NonProductiveParasites left somehow?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 13, 2010 04:16 PM (Sr7HE)
I would like one in black with dark red lettering. So it looks all scary and stuff.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:16 PM (gofDd)
Don't know about all that but I only use the $7 magnum of red wine from wallyworld to pour into the pan while smoking my ribs and they will make you kill someone.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:17 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 04:17 PM (9Lm5R)
Posted by: Fright Wing Conspiricist at March 13, 2010 04:18 PM (uqYMv)
That lost the government to a black man of questionable lineage, of course. Yeah. Not so fucking scary.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 13, 2010 04:18 PM (Sr7HE)
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:18 PM (gofDd)
Imagine for a minute that a white president had tried to socialize health care, just like Obama. Would conservatives be aghast and trying to stop the power grab? Not only is this a "DUH" question, but it actually happened, and not that long ago.
So, again think this through for a minute. Conservatives react exactly the same to a white politician and a black politician trying to socialize health care. And liberals take this as a sign of racism. I think "stuck on stupid" is about the most apt explanation.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:18 PM (bgcml)
"To me, government is the answer. I'm really sort of perplexed," said a man named Joe who said he had been a teacher for 44 years.
That makes me sick...these people need to be isolated because they are a disease.
Posted by: Unemployed people at Acme flour mill at March 13, 2010 04:19 PM (meO/l)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 04:19 PM (9Lm5R)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 13, 2010 04:20 PM (OkT2m)
i makes a mean rib and there's nothing wrong with using Red Wine for the bath.
i like the applejuice and bourbon, myself. We should have a Moron-Rib fest.
Posted by: Fright Wing Conspiricist at March 13, 2010 04:20 PM (uqYMv)
The SRM doesn't help either. But, yes, it should be blindingly obvious to anybody paying at least scant attention for the past few years.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:20 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:21 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 04:21 PM (9Lm5R)
Me likey even more! I'll take two. Maybe in a tank top form, for Moron Approval.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 04:22 PM (gofDd)
Hey grunt, that's what we need. AoSHQ Death Cards.
With pictures of dems through the whole deck they way they did with high value targets in Iraq?
Posted by: Unemployed people at Acme flour mill at March 13, 2010 04:23 PM (meO/l)
Posted by: lincolntf at March 13, 2010 04:24 PM (cGaVN)
That's because to them, "racism" is treating people the same regardless of ethnicity. If you weren't a racist, you'd be treating that black politician differently. How DARE you expect him to be qualified, or to listen to the American people? He's black!
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 13, 2010 04:24 PM (OkT2m)
This is without a doubt true.
For all the venom directed at Bush and the establishment Republicans running the show before 2006, liberals knew they were not serious about rolling back the layers of government the left has added on for the last 80 years, or frankly even doing more then slowing down its rate of growth.
The tea party movement is a different animal. We want to roll back the State. The idea that there might finally be real opposition to the Left is indeed a scary thought. Their claims of "scientific progress" aside, the Left knows how weak their philosophical basis is...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:24 PM (bgcml)
Projection? Never heard of it
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 13, 2010 04:24 PM (sYxEE)
*sighs*, you don't need the tank top form.
/Sometimes more is less.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:24 PM (otlXg)
Talk about Sis coming down on us for stalking that would be it. She would claim we are bounty hunting.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:25 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:25 PM (gofDd)
Hey, 'Nam. If we ever do a Moron Food Fest in LA, I swear to God I'll help with it all. I cook some mean ribs myself, and I know my way around some shrimp and other sea creatures.
Uh, oh. Am I a racist??
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:25 PM (UOM48)
Obama has lost a lot of traditionally Dem support here in Palm Beach county too. There were a lot of Hillary fans who voted for him, but in the past year a significant number have drifted from tepid support to outright dislike.
If Obama run again in 2012, and sentiment stays the same as it is now, I'd say the democrat bastion of Palm Beach county is in play unless the Republicans run a completely unelectable stone loser (ex. Huckabee)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:25 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: Chad, hangin' in West Palm Beach at March 13, 2010 04:27 PM (AZGON)
Is it all the NY snowbirds that moved down and polluted the state?
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:27 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Joanna at March 13, 2010 04:27 PM (euARo)
From the comment section of the Palm Beech news:
HilariousÂ’s comments just prove that many (not all) conservative/Tea Party members are just racists who canÂ’t handle the fact that we have a black President that is doing a far better job than our past President and is far more intelligent and articulate. DonÂ’t like the bank bailouts - blame your ol pal Bush. And how about a little criticism of all the Republican members of the legislature who railed against the stimulus yet proudly accepted stimulus money and PUBLICLY touted the benefits to their districts. DonÂ’t like the national debt/deficit? Look at who ran it up. When Clinton left office we had a SURPLUS. Think Obama is soft on terror? What about the surge in Afghanistan and the resulting caputres of high-ranking Taliban officials and taking a major Taliban-controlled city. DonÂ’t like that the underpants bomber is being tried in civilian court? Look at how Bush tried Richard Reed, the shoe bomber (IÂ’ll give you a hint, it was in civilian court). Think the Democrats are being un-American by passing healthcare through reconciliation? Look at how many major substantive pieces of legistlation were passed by the Republicans in reconciliation. And while youÂ’re at it, look at how the Republicans have ABUSED the filibuster in the past 4 years. TheyÂ’ve used it more than any Senate in history. So they can filibuster every piece of legislation, but itÂ’s wrong for the Democrats to use reconciliation. ItÂ’s getting to the point where itÂ’s even hard to take a Republican seriously or believe one word that comes out of their mouth. ItÂ’s hypocrisy at its WORST.
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:28 PM (tqwzX)
"I love the Coffee Party Movement! We are proud progressives transforming America along with the Democratic Pary! I wish there was SOME way we could just rid ourselves of the constitutional restraints, abolish capitalism once and for all and start NEW with a completely socialist government where everything is either owned or completely controlled by the government! The present administration is certainly the right step!"
There really are two Americas people, and I ain't talking about North and South
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 13, 2010 04:28 PM (erIg9)
We'll have to meet somewhere in the middle honey I won't set foot in Cali ever again, been there done that.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:29 PM (ooI/T)
Would that make a good t-shirt?
Posted by: robotwhisper at March 13, 2010 04:29 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 13, 2010 04:29 PM (GfYt/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:30 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:30 PM (5HyVK)
North east retirees are a large demographic in Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade. They'd generally trend towards Hillary, with Obama a distant second though. The black population of course is largely still backing Obama, but the economic troubles we've been having are eroding that support.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:30 PM (y+s7m)
That's one of my favorite myths of the Clinton Admin. Um, do y'all remember the tech boom? I guaran-damn-tee you without that Clinton would not have had the good 8 years he did.
There really are two Americas people, and I ain't talking about North and South
The idiotic thing is, there are plenty of socialist gov'ts they can go to if they want it so bad. So....why don't they just go already???
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:31 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:31 PM (UOM48)
Not really. There are Americans, and there are the mentally disabled that Americans support.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 13, 2010 04:31 PM (Sr7HE)
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:31 PM (5HyVK)
Are you telling me there's not room for ONE tea partier in all of Del Boca Vista?
Posted by: Frank Costanza at March 13, 2010 04:31 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Editor at March 13, 2010 04:32 PM (YX6i/)
I think she meant Looooeeeezeeeana.
Stupid that they have the same initials.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:32 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: robotwhisper at March 13, 2010 04:32 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: Elaine Benis - Fright Wing Conspiricist at March 13, 2010 04:32 PM (uqYMv)
FIFY
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 13, 2010 04:33 PM (erIg9)
100 bucks and the Blade of Olympus says that Marcia takes out all deductions on her income taxes that she can and probably doesn't donate at all to any charities.
And just how did she get the money for that fancy Cadillac!
Posted by: Jack Klompus at March 13, 2010 04:33 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:33 PM (5HyVK)
Bullshit. No single piece of legislation that used reconciliation under Republican aegis amounted to a trillion fucking dollars. Fuck you and die.
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 13, 2010 04:33 PM (GfYt/)
Obama voted for TARP as a Senator, didn't he? Does he share some of the blame, or is just another "it's all Bush's fault" thing?
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:34 PM (otlXg)
Not really. There are Americans, and there are the mentally disabled that Americans support.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 13, 2010 08:31 PM (Sr7HE)
yeah there is that
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 13, 2010 04:34 PM (erIg9)
Well yea, gutting the military and raiding the social security trust fund (and others) can do that.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:34 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:34 PM (UOM48)
They have? I'll bet this clown couldn't tell you how many times the filibuster was used in the past 4 years.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:35 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 13, 2010 04:35 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: steevy at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (pBb8+)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (9Lm5R)
Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 08:18 PM (gofDd)
I can understand going either way on this one. Yes, the amount of projection the Left engages in is outrageous, but I would argue that the project isn't, for the most part, conscious, and is therefore somewhat less troubling.
Leftists try and put themselves in our shoes, to the limited extent they can, and presume we are evil, and as such recognize few if any limits to what we would do. They then think what they would do if trying to push for political power with no ethical constraints.
Flash forward to when liberals are then trying to push for political power of some sort. They then do their normal bizarre cost benefit analysis - if we don't pass health care, millions will die! And to save millions, isn't almost any option on the table? Which then leads to them being willing to use exactly the same methods they dreamed up the dreaded right using.
So where they stumble is that they excuse away what they presume to be their ethical constraints, and in a self serving way.
Now, for hypocrisy, they do recognize the sin. The response, for example, to Al Gore's lifestyle by the Left is I think a good example. They will agree he shouldn't have a carbon foot print equal to hundreds of normal people, *but* it is ok because he is a powerful liberal - and we can't expect such people to live by the same rules they preach for us.
So here, they do realize exactly what they are doing. They just want the excuse, because most of them presume they will be the masters at some point also...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (bgcml)
Anything that Obama did BOE (Before Obama Era) didn't happen. Them's the rules.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (y+s7m)
#5 - You mean the Marcia Halpern of Palm Beach who comes up on Google as a Member in Good Standing of the ACLU of Florida? One of the leaders of the League of Women Voters of Palm Beach County? The one who's pics seem to match (see here: http://tiny.cc/hl4aT approx 1/2 way down the page)...
And the other names in the article who all seem to belong to the LWVPBC???
Yeah. That one.
BTW, you're welcome.
Posted by: Jess at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (2RRSC)
But I thought a lot of the "surplus" was on paper?
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:36 PM (otlXg)
Sorry I misread I would be more than glad to come to Ga., my x Company Commander is from Savannah, give me a chance to look him up.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:37 PM (ooI/T)
IIRC, "fat fuck Newt Gingrinch" and the "Contract on America" had something to do with it, too. Spending originating in the House and all.
Posted by: Fright-Wing Radish at March 13, 2010 04:37 PM (OkT2m)
Well yea, gutting the military and raiding the social security trust fund (and others) can do that.
Posted by: Purple
Avenger at March 13, 2010 08:34 PM (y+s7m)
let's also not forget how he refinanced our debt to short term low interest loans to make it look like we were balancing the budget. too bad those short termers played holy hell in the real world.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 13, 2010 04:37 PM (erIg9)
Marcia Halpern of Palm Beach Gardens is/was the treasurer of the Palm Beach Country chapter of the ACLU.
Posted by: Llarry at March 13, 2010 04:39 PM (o/pqQ)
Yeah, but I get the hypocrisy, esp from the pols. It's the projection I find so damn maddening. I think it's precisely because it's pretty much knee jerk and requires no thought or understanding of reality. Hypocrisy is something we're all guilty of, though at least some of us will at least admit to it. And sure the hypocrisy is frustrating, but it doesn't surprise me. It's the utter cluelessness that comes with the projection that just drives me crazy.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:40 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:40 PM (otlXg)
Clinton set many of the rules that ended up fucking all of the wage earners in this country.
Yet all he's remembered for is a fictitious Surplus and a Cum Stained Dress.
Posted by: Fright Wing Conspiricist at March 13, 2010 04:40 PM (uqYMv)
Yea, I remember Newt literally putting a gun to Clinton's head to get him to sign shit. I thought it was a little heavy handed at the time too.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:40 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: Bubba Clinton at March 13, 2010 04:42 PM (erIg9)
Do some more searching on the names in the article & you won't be surprised at anything...
Posted by: Jess at March 13, 2010 04:42 PM (2RRSC)
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:43 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:43 PM (y+s7m)
IIRC, "fat fuck Newt Gingrinch" and the "Contract on America" had something to do with it, too. Spending originating in the House and all.
Posted by: Fright-Wing
Radish at March 13, 2010 08:37 PM (OkT2m)
Indeed. While Congress and the President both have significant checks and balances in the other's primary spheres of interest, Congress primarily controls budgeting and the President primarily controls foreign/military policy.
So, in 2000 we had a nominal government surplus and a a triumphant Al Qaeda in the last stages of the 9/11 attack.
For those with more then a passing knowledge of our form of government, that speaks far better of Newt and co then Clinton...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:43 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 13, 2010 04:43 PM (AZGON)
for a month straight.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner At Large at March 13, 2010 04:44 PM (erIg9)
...oh yeah, and that stupid 'Thumb Point'.
Before Bubba, I'd never seen that half-fisted limp thumb-point.
Now every Left Wing Douchenozzle uses it. Where is the polling data that says to do that shit?
Posted by: Fright Wing Conspiricist at March 13, 2010 04:44 PM (uqYMv)
More from the Palm Beech News comment section:
It is about time that we, the silent majority spoke out against the right wing tea party facists.
We support President Obama. Healthcare and home ownership are not privilages; they are both human rights.
Viva Obama, may he become President for Life.
AFTER WE IMPLEMENT HEALTHCARE REFORM; TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE GUNS. MAKE THE USA A GUN FREE NATION.
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:45 PM (Q/5jH)
AFTER WE IMPLEMENT HEALTHCARE REFORM; TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE GUNS. MAKE THE USA A GUN FREE NATION.
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 08:45 PM (Q/5jH)
tell you what sonny, you come bang on my front door and demand my guns.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner At Large at March 13, 2010 04:46 PM (erIg9)
Muffy Goodenough
Fiduciarie Banquerole
Chester McGoldmine
Clitrina Van Den Hoover
Whyte Clubhouse
Pussy Gabor
Posted by: George Orwell at March 13, 2010 08:43 PM (AZGON)
Why do you have a problem with our names?
Posted by: DOODAD PRO at March 13, 2010 04:46 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 04:47 PM (9Lm5R)
On the upside, they're being honest about their intentions. Hello, treason.
We really need to bring back treason and hanging.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:47 PM (gofDd)
For some strange reason the coffee party people don't inspire much in me beyond "meh" -- after working with people who would fit the profile of "coffee partyer, average" (community project) I can testify that they get nothing done. Nothing. zip. nada. zilch. It did indeed turn into rounds of sitting around at the local coffeehouse talking -- we couldn't get anybody to actually work beyond coming up with cool ads and "bylaws" (like mandatory gifting of a portion of the garden produce to shelters and mandatory organic bs, which we told them over and over again just would not fly, not that they listened). At least the house specialties there are really yummy, and we could turn the rest of the evening after the meetings into date night, so all was not lost I guess.
I give this coffee party thing about three more months -- by that time the singles will have hooked up or been completely shot down and will lose interest, and the attached will get sick of drinking so much coffee. That was about the lifespan of the group I had to deal with.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 13, 2010 04:47 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:48 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 04:50 PM (UOM48)
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
The Left's response to it was always interesting. There are a number of items you'd expect the left to oppose, but the only area in which you could argue the terms weren't moderate was in restraining career politicians, namely term limits.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 04:51 PM (bgcml)
Exactly the cognitive dissonance that Rum was talking about. They call the tea partiers "fascists", and then turn around and advocate taking away all gun ownership.
You'll take my guns from my cold, dead fingers.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 13, 2010 04:51 PM (otlXg)
Father Daniel Petsche of the Order of St. Benedict of Conception Abbey, a Benedictine monastery in Missouri, was selected as chaplain for the trip.
“We all had a great time,” he said. “It was a wonderful learning experience and a time of spiritual pilgrimage as well.”
“Mary is the typical teacher,” he added.On Jupiter.
Posted by: Llarry at March 13, 2010 04:52 PM (o/pqQ)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:52 PM (ooI/T)
We really need to bring back treason and hanging.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 08:47 PM (gofDd)
The Leftist are definitely bringing treason back - to them it's sexy. And hanging, though too good for them, is just what they need. If they ever need volunteers for that job - handing F**king traitors - I'm in. I would happily work 16 hour days at minimum wage. Just let me set up a cot on the scaffold so I can grab a few hours sleep at night, bring food and water (and a kimode) up at intervals, and I'll keep tightening those knots and pulling that lever day after day. Ohh, how glorious it would be...
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 04:52 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:52 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: dagny at March 13, 2010 04:53 PM (z4sah)
Posted by: Gaia loving liberal at March 13, 2010 04:54 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 08:52 PM (ooI/T)
Whoa, dude. Don't need to know how small you are. Eve already got one of your ribs, too, so, we're all screwed.
Posted by: Editor at March 13, 2010 04:54 PM (YX6i/)
So... in other words, the coffee party was started to kiss Barry's ass. I wonder if they're going to do some coffee bagging while they're down there licking ole' brown eye? And I wonder how much humor the MSM propoganda machine will find in that visual?
I almost feel sorry for those dumbass over the hill hippie losers.
Nah - not really.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 13, 2010 04:56 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 04:56 PM (y+s7m)
I'm right there with ya. We can alternate shifts. I like hanging for its historical connotation. I'm nostalgic like that.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 04:56 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:57 PM (ooI/T)
Sounds like a line of secret code read over the radio to the French resistance right before D-Day.
Posted by: Llarry at March 13, 2010 04:57 PM (o/pqQ)
136 Nah, eventually, when things really go to shit (thanks largely to their idiotic ideas of a perfect society) these folks will go the way of the dodo -- these are not practical, pragmatic, or very motivated people (beyond talking a good game). The schadenfruede to be gotten from watching the dawning self-realization that they really did frak things up (for themselves, oh noes! the worst of all!) with their own stupidity would be much more enjoyable than letting them go out feeling like martyrs to their "noble" cause.
I'm mean like that.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 13, 2010 04:58 PM (5/yRG)
Do it on lamp posts at Christmas oh the irony, like decorating the towns across America for the yuletide season.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 04:59 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger Extraordinaire at March 13, 2010 05:00 PM (UOM48)
I'm a guillotine fan myself. Swift and sure; fewer complaints from the customers. There are some things the French did right.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 05:02 PM (y+s7m)
A tad messier, but I'm also a fan. We could set up both and give traitors the option.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 05:03 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: unknown jane at March 13, 2010 08:58 PM (5/yRG)
The error in this is they they will NEVER accept that they are to blame. They would be like Hitler, blaming the German people for letting him down when it was his own bad decisions that lost the war. No - let them leave this life feeling self righteous. Send them to the final Judge, and he will correct their misunderstanding better than we ever could. Leaving them alive only encourages them to try again, while the rest of us must slog along, living in the shit pile they create.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:03 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 13, 2010 05:04 PM (ooI/T)
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 08:56 PM (gofDd)
I don't use the "L" word casually, but...
Hanging is a good way to go - it has always been associate with low-class civilian crime.
And I will admit - the guillotine is a fine instrument of death. It offers a little bit too clean a death for what these traitors deserve, but I can go with it.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:07 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: Purple
Avenger at March 13, 2010 09:02 PM (y+s7m)
Well...the same geniuses led a bloody revolution to overthrow their king...to get an emperor.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 05:08 PM (bgcml)
I can live with drawing and quartering. That's pretty traditional and the crowds love it; right up there with Viking blood eagles.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 05:09 PM (y+s7m)
Another classic! But still messy and hard to do without open space.
All of this should be televised, btw.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 05:11 PM (gofDd)
Their politics have always been fucked. Their methods of execution, are always primo though. If you're going to have weird politics, you need efficient ways to eliminate enemies of the state.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 05:11 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2010 05:11 PM (9Lm5R)
Posted by: good midnight fluffy bunny what fluffs at midnight at March 13, 2010 05:12 PM (SMqnS)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 13, 2010 05:13 PM (AZGON)
Pretty soon, Obama won't be popular enough to emcee a Tijuana Donkey Show.
Posted by: The Democrats at March 13, 2010 05:14 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: good midnight fluffy bunny what fluffs at midnight at March 13, 2010 09:12 PM (SMqnS)
Good point. 3 days in the stocks. Then execution.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:14 PM (4nbyM)
All of this should be televised, btw.
Posted by: Rum, Official Fright Winger at March 13, 2010 09:11 PM (gofDd)
I believe I could design a very effective hydraulic drawing/quartering machine. No horses required. With vacuums to suck up the blood and excrescence as they spilled noisesomely into catch basins. Mount a web cam on that sucker and we're good to go.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:17 PM (4nbyM)
Ah yes...stocks and pillory; always a fine choice.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 13, 2010 05:19 PM (y+s7m)
Posted by: Purple
Avenger at March 13, 2010 09:09 PM (y+s7m)
Apparently "some viking" had quite an impact in last night's (?) ONT.
BTW, the Europeans as a whole really were pretty damn innovative in how to brutally murder each other...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 05:19 PM (bgcml)
Should I Try to cash out my 401k now, so that I could pay off some majors.
or wait?
Posted by: Woolie at March 13, 2010 09:07 PM (r1nKU)
Been asking myself this. I checked it out - the process takes about 6 weeks, apparently, so keep that in mind. I'm thinking about buying foreign land and putting the remaining cash into offshore accounts. And NOT in Euros, either.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:20 PM (4nbyM)
BTW, the Europeans as a whole really were pretty damn innovative in how to brutally murder each other...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 09:19 PM (bgcml)
True. I must admit that it sometimes distrubs me to think of them. I recently learned about some of the more exotic ways that the Romans murdered the Christians in the colluseum. Beyond shocking, and so extreme that even HBO/movie studios dare not hint at, let alone show, them.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:23 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: Crusty at March 13, 2010 05:24 PM (qzgbP)
True. I must admit that it sometimes distrubs me to think of them. I recently learned about some of the more exotic ways that the Romans murdered the Christians in the colluseum. Beyond shocking, and so extreme that even HBO/movie studios dare not hint at, let alone show, them.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 09:23 PM (4nbyM)
Of course in fairness to Rome, their Baalist foes across the Mediterranean would make anyone outside of Planned Parenthood blanch.
And they built the high places of the Ba‘al, which are in the valley of
Ben-hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the
fire l'Molech;
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 05:31 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: NotAMolly at March 13, 2010 05:35 PM (ADJFU)
And they built the high places of the Ba‘al, which are in the valley of Ben-hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire l'Molech;
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 09:31 PM (bgcml)
Indeed - also very horrible. It is my understanding that their fire alters were often like giant griddles, so the afflicted babies/children did not even get a quick death. Anybody who bitches about how "evil" the Old Testament's divinely ordered genocides were has absolutely no grasp of how vile those people were who got wiped out. If anything, even more genocides were needed.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 13, 2010 05:36 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: Dave J. at March 13, 2010 05:41 PM (DCQ0q)
Actually, going back and doing a little more reading I am greatly amused to see that there is now a significant effort afoot to argue that neither Carthage nor the Phoenicians engaged in such human sacrifice.
Apparently it was a propaganda effort by the Romans and Israelites - and they just happened to echo exactly the same charge against their neighbors...sure...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 13, 2010 05:43 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: Zimriel at March 13, 2010 05:48 PM (zs5Rn)
By all means, Marcia 'Mocha' Halpern, go with the "Taxes. Taxes.Taxes. Hooray!" contraspeak. That'll draw legions of dedicated followers.
How do conservatives lose to these people?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 13, 2010 05:56 PM (LB0/l)
Posted by: YIKES! at March 13, 2010 06:00 PM (E5V01)
Brownstein, who is white, said "white southerners in this country are going nuts" because of the popularity of black figures like President Obama
If, by popular, you mean "polling around 43% and resulting in Dems in Missouri and elsewhere running from him like he were a leper", then yeah..."popular"!
Posted by: Crush Liberalism at March 13, 2010 06:05 PM (obCps)
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Posted by: Juan Pablo at March 13, 2010 06:19 PM (CdtFq)
Posted by: Caboose at March 13, 2010 06:32 PM (Z8PCv)
or
'Coffee Party, we have the bitterest dregs'
or
'Coffee Party, cold, bitter, brewed yesterday and leaves a ring on your good tablecloth'
or
'Coffee Party, brewed with 100% pure liberal propaganda, picked fresh in Pyongyang under the supervision of Mr. Kim Jong-il. We have juche for the little ones.'
Posted by: Caboose at March 13, 2010 06:45 PM (Z8PCv)
"We have to stop the mantra of no taxes, no taxes, no taxes," said Marcia Halpern of Palm Beach Gardens.
Marcia. Marcia. MARCIA. If you like taxes so much move to California!
Posted by: Taxinated Drinkers Beware at March 13, 2010 06:52 PM (PALAN)
These scumbags won a major victory decades ago when they convinced the weak, stupid, sniveling, academic ivory tower sect that the battle against the sick, twisted, anti-human filthosophies of the totalitarian left was simply a "war of ideas" and not the bare knuckled blood brawl it honestly was and is.
Today, as yesterday, the weak, the stupid, the sniveling, the deluded, the pathetic. These are the ones who will fall for that "keep it civil" bullshit.This is not about a debate and it never was. This is all about a fight to the death for everything of value.
Posted by: Grimmy at March 13, 2010 08:16 PM (yGyzx)
Of course, the MSM will keep giving them deferential treatment, because they're similarly crooked and therefore sympathetic.
Man, oh man I hate reporters.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at March 13, 2010 08:24 PM (bxiXv)
Every damn thing they accuse us of they do in spades. I think their big problem with us is that they think they own the patents on voter fraud and astro-turfing.
Posted by: Bitsko at March 13, 2010 09:13 PM (8/KZN)
The thing to remember about the left is that they don't see the world as it is, they see the world as they are.
They assume that we do all of the nasty and evil things that they themselves would do if they were in our place.
They assume that our principles and ideals, which we are quite open and honest about, are really trojan horse strategies to trick the public into voting for.....well I don't really know what it is that we're "really" supposed to be all about according to the left. What I do know is that they accuse us of trojan horse shenanigans precisely because that strategy is their entire MO nowadays. This is why they are constantly inventing new euphemisms and new labels for the same old bullshit.
Posted by: Lee at March 13, 2010 11:04 PM (zF8wD)
This is why it is so important that we take responsibility for our children's education instead of handing them over to taxpayer funded brainwashers.
Posted by: Lee at March 13, 2010 11:08 PM (zF8wD)
Actually I think calling them Latte Liberals would work better.
If we go around calling them vulgar names it makes us look as bad as they are. Remember it is the unaffiliated voters that we are trying to win points with.
When they call us "teabaggers" it makes them look bad. We'd look just as bad were we to respond in kind.
If we call them Latte Liberals, we poke fun at them while accurately describing exactly what they are. Everyone knows what a Latte Liberal is: whiny, over-privileged, prone to buying into hare brained "solutions" based on childish notions of how the world works. Marxists who have no understanding of what would happen were their pet theories ever put into practice.
They've opened themselves up to being labelled in this way when they started calling themselves the coffee party. That was a bit of truth in advertising that was completely unintended I'm sure.
Posted by: Lee at March 13, 2010 11:21 PM (zF8wD)
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Posted by: rplat at March 14, 2010 02:51 AM (G1ArL)
Dave J.: Heather, they're in Palm Beach County: of course they're all old, white, champagne socialists. One doesn't need pictures to know that.
The names "Brownstein" and "Halpern" were all you needed to know about this story - the rest of it was just filler which wrote itself.
[And I wouldn't be surprised if "Carmel" and "Castronuovo" had ties to the same crowd.]
Grimmy: This is all about a fight to the death for everything of value.
Yep, that about sums it up.
That about sums it up.
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Posted by: wherestherum at March 13, 2010 08:13 PM (gofDd)
I'm in on that; who knew those dickbags could come up with something I'd agree with.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 14, 2010 03:53 AM (ZxEhm)
Posted by: nikkolai at March 14, 2010 04:55 AM (U0lNn)
It is about time that we, the silent majority spoke out against the right wing tea party facists.
We support President Obama. Healthcare and home ownership are not privilages; they are both human rights.
Viva Obama, may he become President for Life.
AFTER WE IMPLEMENT HEALTHCARE REFORM; TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE GUNS. MAKE THE USA A GUN FREE NATION.
Isn't that what happened in Zimbabwe? Private property was taken away from the people who had it (primarily white farmers who grew the food that supported the nation), the land & property was given to friends of president for life Robert Mugabe, and now what? The "nation" of Zimbabwe, if you can call it that, is starving, produces nothing, and people get hacked to death with machetes.
Saw a picture online last week (was it here at AOSHQ?), an old elephant died of unknown reasons in Zimbabwe, and villagers descended upon the corpse and stripped it clean. They even took the bones. It was truly grim, the photos of villagers surrounding this huge dead elephant and hacking at it with machetes.
Posted by: Boots at March 14, 2010 08:08 AM (06JTY)
Dave J.: Heather, they're in Palm Beach County: of course they're all old, white, champagne socialists. One doesn't need pictures to know that.
"The names "Brownstein" and "Halpern" were all you needed to know about this story - the rest of it was just filler which wrote itself."
"[And I wouldn't be surprised if "Carmel" and "Castronuovo" had ties to the same crowd.]"
Er, so all Jewish-sounding, or even non-Anglo-sounding names indicate someone's a leftist douchebag? PBC and Broward may be the most Dem counties in Florida, but FYI, they're also national ground zero for Jewish Republicans, who tend to be younger. Like, just for one random example, myself. There are more Jewish Republicans in the Florida Legislature than any other state in the union.
As for the name Castronuovo, google Patrick Castronovo for one of Marco Rubio's biggest supporters.
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7 No pictures? I want to see if they're all old and white, like the people at other coffee parties.
Prepare to be shocked — shocked! — at what you see.
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Some tea party critics — including two white participants at the Panera Bread summit — have accused the predominantly white tea partyers of being motivated by racial unease with or outright hostility toward America’s first black president.
[..two paragraphs earlier..]
Two black women took part in the West Palm Beach meeting [of about 40 people]. Local organizer George Papison said he believes several participants were Latino.
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