1 Did I mention yet that the Judge was a fucking coward?

2 In other words, she took the guts out of the law.

3 tanks fer nuttin'!

4 The commie hits just keep on comin'.

5 In Texas, when you are arrested for a criminal offense, you're immigration status is checked. Is that legal?

6 Bienvenido a los estados unidos!

7 Yahoo's front page has a lovely picture to accompany the story. It's the idiot protesters against the law holding signs that say, The Workers' Struggle Knows No Borders. With a picture of...you guessed it...Che on the sign

8 Miss me yet?

9 What if Jan Brewer just ORDERED state law enforcement officials to ignore the court order? Or, what if she (or whomever) deputized state law enforcement officials into FEDERAL officials and ordered them to uphold FEDERAL immigration law? Thinking out loud.

10

"By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

Jack booted thugs are now a good thing?

Hell, and all along I thought the left hated us.

11 1 Did I mention yet that the Judge was a fucking coward?

Not that she was a "fucking coward", but you've taken care of that now. 

A toothless law, great. 

12 A Liberal rules liberally, News @ 11.

13 Is that legal?

Yes.

This ruling, based on the breaking accounts at least, has been made only to generate "YOU LOSE RACIST-BAGGERS" headlines.

14 A Republic Madam... if you can keep it

15 Hold it. It's a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden that only the Feds can impose? What kind of argument is that?

16 Did I mention yet that the Judge was a fucking coward?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 28, 2010 01:36 PM (5aa4z)

And an imbecile, too.  This judge is exceedingly stupid.

This nation is being killed by an overabundance of cowardice and stupidity, and that is the worst sort of death one could imagine.

Oh well.  It was a good run for the US.  Now we'll just see how state nullification starts working out (on several issues) and how long it will take until this nation splits and a nation that respects the Founders' Constitutional structure, private property rights, and the American creed is born.  The US is no longer the vehicle for carrying the American creed into the future.  The US is toast, as the representative of American values and culture, at least.

Nov 4th, 2008.  Mission Accomplished.  Congratulations, America.

17 Yeah!  We won't enforce our own borders!

That's good, you see, because ... well, because ... um, hang on a minute, let me find my talking point memo.

-------------

Obviously Judge Bolton has never had a loved one raped, robbed or killed by these vermin.

18 Fuck you America.

19

That judge is nothing, if not cowardly.   She just didn't have the guts to make a damn decision.   Instead she kicked the can down the road on the more controversial parts of the bill.   She's a Clinton appointee.   Didn't expect her to have any freakin' balls.

 

20 4 The commie hits just keep on comin'.

Got to hand it to them, they sure know how to "flood the zone". It's too fucking much at times, even for a demi-god...

21 including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

Does this decision forbid Officers from checking immigration status?

Since if it doesn't then wont the depts that were going to check still check and the ones that weren't still won't

22 "There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled.

Really?  How? Since they can't even ask for ID or do anything without some other evidence of a different crime how can she suggest they will be wrongfully arrested for Illegal Immigration status? Does this law even allow the state to arrest for Illegal Immigration status alone?

23 I've often wondered, how come so much conservative legislation over the years gets an injunction before it even takes effect, while liberal legislation so often gets the red carpet treatment, unabated?

24

"By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

So, States Governments cannot impose burden on people, ONLY the Feds can?

Interesting take on the Constitution.

25 I, for one, feel sorry for all those illegals who took the time to hold last minute garage sales & move out of the state.  Hopefully, the state will reimburse them for their travel & moving expenses now that this judge basically did an FU to the people of AZ.

FIAW (it is Wednesday, after all)

26 What if Jan Brewer just ORDERED state law enforcement officials to ignore the court order?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2010 01:38 PM (9Cooa)

I daresay that would be a horrible thing to do -- ignoring the rule of law-- for shaaaaaaaame!

27

So what exactly is the difference between the Arizona law and the 287(g) provision other than the fact that under 287(g) there are written agreements with and training by ICE? Otherwise, it seems like it's the same to me as 287(g) allows local and state cops to identify and detain illegals as part of their regular duties.

In other words, how is it that this:

..."There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

wouldn't also apply to 287(g)?

28
The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times

Does that apply to green cards?

29 "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

If the Federal law is that legal resident aliens carry identification at all times, how is it a further burden on legal resident aliens that Arizona require them to carry identification at all times?

30 Any chance the state can push for the decision to be rendered by the Supreme Court?

31 This will just make people more angry - if it's not clear to those that O will go to any length to impose his will upon is - this should just about clinch it.

32 Should cops stop responding to bank robberies? It is a federal crime after all.

33 Hey, Barry's on our side now!

34 Wow, such brilliant thinking. Wonder if she thought about the chances anybody had of being arrested when a description fitting their general appearance was issued, should they not be arrested either? Funny how all these special rules keep getting applied to people who enter this country illegally, but the rest of us are expected to just take our chances.

35 Thank God I can stop paying all those state income and sales taxes. I really felt they were an extraordinary burden from the state- which has no authority to burden me.

36

Ultimately good for us.

Keeps the debate going. Gets people even more irate with the lawlessness  and outright denial of the rule of law of this administration and their activists judges.

Hello 2010 elections....

 

37 24 I've often wondered, how come so much conservative legislation over the years gets an injunction before it even takes effect, while liberal legislation so often gets the red carpet treatment, unabated?

When you have a justice system infiltrated with the likes of Sotomeyer and Kagan...

The "Long March Through the Institutions" stratagem has payed off big-time for the Left.

38

My wife's immigration card states on it 'THIS CARD MUST BE CARRIED AT ALL TIMES.' So this judge basically said it's OK to break another immigration law by instructing them it is no longer necessary to carry.

I hope an illegal breaks into her house.

39 "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose" -- idiot judge Susan Bolton

Someone needs to explain to this retarded judge that state governments have more leeway on impositions to its citizenry and visitors than the federal government has.  Does Susan Bolton, the retard, think that some federal police force exists that patrols the streets of the nation on a daily basis?

Next:  Genius judge Bolton stops Arizona cops from responding to bank robberies.  They are federal crimes and only the federal police force (in Bolton's head) has the right to deal with it.  All bank robbers who have been harrassed by local cops in carrying out their robberies are to be immediately released and receive compensation from the states that overstepped their bounds and impinged on federal jurisdiction.

I really hate these idiots more than I could ever possibly express.

40 You don't want my healthcare bill? Fuck you America! You don't want crazy deficit spending? Fuck you America! You want our laws applied fairly and enforced? Fuck you America!

41

What this shows is that the judge was more concerned about personal blow-back if she allowed the law to stand as is.   Guaranteed.   Honestly, it looks to me like she was more concerned with what she may have to endure from the commie basturds if she let it stand.  I hate gutless fucks.

42 "that only the federal government has the authority to impose"

Cool, so we'll see the various stricter state-specific firearms laws challenged next, right Mr. President?  Right?  Um, Mr. President?  Hello?

43

Do you suppose that when previous great civilizations fell, that people recognized what was going to happen?

Do you suppose they tried to prevent the collapse of their societies, and if they did, do you think that no matter what they did, the societies collapsed anyway?

Maybe the collapse of great societies is inevitable - fate - destiny. 

I think I'll pop open a beer and just watch.

44 injunction junction whats your function.

45 You crackahs are going to pay now!

46

What if Jan Brewer just ORDERED state law enforcement officials to ignore the court order?

I assume she would be found in contempt of court. What would happen after that is anyone's guess.

47 Add 10% to Sharon Angle's poll numbers as of this hour. Do same for any other Republican candidate in the West & south.

48 Dammit, meant to say should they not be issued either....

49 So... How bout them Sanctuary cities?

What the FUCK is this country coming to?

50 SON.OF.A.BITCH! That really pisses me off. What a fucking chicken shit judge she is.

51 When you say "full trial" does that mean a hearing with the 9th Circus? I'm unclear on the next step.

52 ..."There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

What?  So if the cops pull over some guy for speeding, and maybe 15 people jump out and run into the desert, and the guy driving does not have a valid license, can barely speak English, is armed etc.  The cops do what?

And who walks around or drives around without any ID?  I don't get it, we are no longer a sovereign country, just a big place for people to come and work, get services, get their kids educated on the dime of people here etc. 

53 Yeah, but can you make those illegals buy health insurance against their will? 

54 U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled that those sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues.

Because she didn't resolve the damn issues, which ya know, is her job.

55 This is what happens when America elects liberals. America has done this to itself. Blame your liberal friends and family members if you want to know why this is happening and why we are in decline.

56

This next election is going to be so cool.  We'll have illegals and black panthers teaming up outside polling places with clubs NOT intimidating people.

And there won't be a goddam thing you can do about it, cracka!

57 Does Susan Bolton, the retard, think that some federal police force exists that patrols the streets of the nation on a daily basis?

We can dream, can't we?

58 @38  True, it does ignite the discussion on the total lawlessness and Constitution trampling....but I wonder how much more can we take as a country?  Discussions will do no good if things don't start turning around.  Point of no return & all.... 

I'm sick & tired of waking up at 4am and lying there worrying about where this country is headed.  Did so again last night and was struck with the fatal feeling that Lame Duck, Class of 2010 is going to ram through amnesty.  We can repeal healthcare, financial reform if balls permit...but amnesty, to me, is an entirely different beast.  You can't rescind legal status of 20 million Mexicans.  Once they are legal, the country is basically gone as a republic.  Nobody likes to talk about succession or the country splitting, but that may be where we are heading.

59 So, when's the trial?

60 I hope Levin has his blood pressure meds on hand for today's show.

61
A leftist Federal judge?!  I refuse to believe this.  Next thing you'll tell me she's a Clinton appointee.

62 "However, many immigrants may not be aware of the fact that it is a legal requirement for Permanent Residents to carry their Permanent Resident Card with them at all times. If and only when a Permanent Residence chooses to become a naturalised citizen of America will they relinquish their Permanent Resident Card and no longer have to carry it with them."

http://tinyurl.com/2comncj

What a mockery of law.  They just make it up as they go.  I hate f'n attorneys and the politicians they evolve into.

63

Was there ever any doubt? The Judge is a Clinton appointee- Democrats ALWAYS put politics over the law if it helps them. The difference is how much some will work to try to make it look legal.

Bastards.

64 Those of you who want to chose your battles

CHOSE THIS ONE

You want a hill to fight on or defend

CHOSE THIS ONE

Everyone else, go somewhere and die........

65 impeach the judge. Honestly, what's the point of pretending this is a fair process.

66 Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. This needs to go in the "She made the ruling, let her enforce it." pile.

67 There is a substantial likelihood that Judge Bolton is an idiot.

68 choose, chose--you know what I mean

69

Don't worry, the Homeowners Association covenants will keep out the riffraff....gotta go power wash my house.....

70

I knew it!  All along, deep down, I've always known that all cops in this country were criminals.  Bastards!

This law proves it.

So when the libs cry about budget cuts and how they will have to cut back on cops and teachers, we'll finally be able to prove that cutting back on cops is a good thing.

71 Now it will go to the other "most overturned liberal court" the ninth. But perhaps AZ will not spend the money for the appeal of the injunction since they are going to have to spend a lot more on the actual case.

A case that should have been thrown out on it pure lack of any merit.

72 Arizona doesn't have the right to not enforce their own laws!

Only the Feds have the right to not enforce their own laws!

Confused? Me too.

73 54 Jehu

I don't get it, we are no longer a sovereign country, just a big place for people to come and work, get services, get their kids educated on the dime of people here etc. 

Kind of like a pitstop...

74

hey cool, does this mean when police pull me over if i visit AZ. i can just say you're asking for my what? sorry i thought i didn't have to provide  any documentation.

I can just say I'm a Joe Blow girl , living on Nowhere St., Dipshit, USA 876543 

nice...

75 Welcome to the North American Banana Republic.

76

What this bitch is saying is that states don't have the right to enforce federal law, and don't have the right to protect their own citizens from fucking criminals if they break federal law.

I think it's time to start drinking & that's not my usual fallback.

 

77 November will be beyond epic, at this rate.

78 So, at what point will we know that we can say the judicial system is non-functional and incapable of producing a just result with any reasonable level of reliability?  We may as well hash out the criteria right now, so there's less ambiguity when that time finally comes (prolly some time next week).

79

The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, --What of similar laws already on the books in other states like Texas where adults MUST carry ID in public to produce upon legal request?

and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places. --what of privately soliciting undocumented employment?

In addition, the judge blocked officers from making warrantless arrests of suspected illegal immigrants. --Hey, if you don't carry your ID to produce upon request by an officer of the law, citizens can legally be arrested.

"Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled. --Producing your identification does NOT restrict a legal immigrant's liberty any more than a citizen's liberty while being checked.

80 No state involvement in kidnappings, then?

81 Let's see, the legal standard under the Fourth Amendment is probable cause for arrest. This judge came up with a new, non-arrest standard of "substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest?" Nothing like making the rules up as you go along. WTF?

82 A female judge, there's a shock.

83 Brewer should call out the AZ guard and send them to the border.  If Cap'n Clusterfuck tries to federalize them, then call out the militia.

Fuck this.

84 "Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled.

Similarly, all drunk driving roadblocks across the US became illegal, as driver's liberty will be restricted while their status is checked.  Heck, at this point, ther's no way a traffic stop can be justified.  After all, your liberty is restricted.  If you don't think so, just try to walk away.

I can dream...

85 Welcome to the North American Banana Republic.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 28, 2010 01:55 PM (554T5)

On the contrary.  Most banana republics are WAY more serious about immigration issues, and the judges often care about the law (except when they can screw over the gringo, of course).  Soon enough we'll be looking Southward with envy at their relatively low-corruption governments.

86 60  Why do people always talk about secession...there are other, better options you know. 

87 There is a substansial likelihood that more drugs, murders and mayhem will continue to be perpetrated by illegal aliens.

That's MY ruling.

88

I assume she would be found in contempt of court. What would happen after that is anyone's guess.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at July 28, 2010 01:48 PM (JxMoP)

If the feds try to arrest her when she ignores them and continues to enforce this ruling, it's Fort Sumter time. 

They used to use this sentence in typing class:

NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY

it's time.........

89 And will Obama order Arizona under martial law should Arizona dismiss Judge Bolton's lack of logic?

90

This is bad for us. 

Sure you can see it that way. I take another approach. Anger is about the only thing that gets people to the polls. This judge is  only in her current role via appointment. And appointed by people we elect, so we have to start somewhere.

 

91

hey cool, does this mean when police pull me over if i visit AZ. i can just say you're asking for my what? sorry i thought i didn't have to provide  any documentation.

I can just say I'm a Joe Blow girl , living on Nowhere St., Dipshit, USA 876543 

nice...

Posted by: willow at July 28, 2010 01:55 PM (SbsTp)

No, no, officer, I'm not looking for any special treatment... just treat me like an illegal and I'll be happy.

92 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

93

At this point, I don't think I can get more angry.   Before long I'll have to confine myself to home & hearth to keep from bitch slapping every freakin' lib I come across.

 

94 Judicial activism straight up. Rush just said it, the Dems have no sealed their doom for November. Then again, 0bama will just unilaterally declare amnesty for all illegals by executive order between now and Election Day. Let's play out this scenario. We win the Congress and the White House and then overturn the amnesty. Can't wait for that fireworks show.

95 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

It's got nothing to do with men or women, it's about ideology.

96

"....that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

 

Does this scatterbrain for a Judge realize that Federal Statutes apply to ALL 50 states, but the Feds are NOT doing their job?  Does she want each and every illegal alien hauled up before a Federal judge to impose authority for deportation?

97 This judge came up with a new, non-arrest standard of "substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest?" Nothing like making the rules up as you go along.

WTF?

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 28, 2010 01:57 PM (QxSug)

The funny part is that, since the conviction rate in the US is hovering around 40%, with it being much, much less for certain areas (in 2001: terrorist and disruptive activities 14.9%, assault/murder cases 6.2%, molestation cases 4.8%), Susan Bolton, noted retard, would grant injunctions against all laws in these areas since the conviction rate shows that most Americans arrested under these statutes are eventually found not guilty.

Did I mention how much I hate/despise/abhor/... these asswipes populating our federal governemnt and judiciary?  They belong in grade schools, the friggin' idiots.  In Indonesia.

98 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

What a stupid statement.   There are many women trying hard to get us out of the fucking mess that LIBERALS & PROGRESSIVES of both genders & parties have perpetrated.

STFU!

99 Nice blogging today, Drew.

100

"Producing your identification does NOT restrict a legal immigrant's liberty any more than a citizen's liberty while being checked."

We bend over backwards to protect the "rights" of illegals, yet we accept so much burdensome regulation of the actual citizens.  It's a Bizarro world we live in.

101

Its getting time to lock and load folks, because there isn't a single branch of the Federal Government that isn't corrupt from top to bottom.

Really, I'm not sure of the purpose of the Federal Government anymore other than to make it's citizens lives a living hell.

Somebody help me here.

102

John McCain will benefit most from this ruling.  He can play this to his advantage pretty much anyway he wants.  He can equivocate whether or not he supports it, or he can come out against the ruling - either way, he wins. 

Hayworth just lost big on this, imo.

103 This is just an injuction not a ruling that overturns the law ... 

104

What this boils down to is a Court of Law, saying that Law, can be ignored.

Legal Immigrants MUST carry ID, thats FED Law.  Driving, WE must carry ID, and can be taken into custody for NOT having said ID.  If any normal citizen has a run in with the Police, they MUST produce ID.

All this law says is to check to see if they are in compliance with FEDERAL Law.

So, this Judge now says that FEDERAL Law is a burden, and will not be enforced if the Fed Gov does not want it to be enforced...

As a Republic is based on the Ideal of the Supremacy of the Rule of Law... this is a direct blow against the Republic itself.

105 Will the buses carrying union thugs from CA turn around or will they still come to AZ and celebrate?

106
This is a gift.

The anti-left needs anything that forces the deep core divisions to rise into the public consciousness as heated crises.

Does anyone else think that Holder is having an "Oh, Shit!" moment right now?

107

96  You're a moron. And not the good kind.

So there are no idiot leftist male judges that would have come to the very same conclusion??

Remove head from sphincter, asswipe.

108

1 & 76

Herr and Zuggs.  I agree with both of you.  The left are bastards.  The judge's injunction did not even address the constiutionality arguments raised. All she did was rule on a notion supported by the left.  The left will use this to slap around the conservatives and attempt to rally their base.  But I think our rallying is going to become much greater.  Good people who understand liberty, autonomy and protecting our country's borders are standing up and will continue to. 

This is not over.  Not even close. 

109 What a mockery of law.  They just make it up as they go.  I hate f'n attorneys and the politicians they evolve into.

Helloooo!

110 From Legal Insurrection's analysis:

The decision would not, as I read it, prevent police from checking immigration status in a particular case, but would prevent a statewide system to do so.

The result of the decision will be to have a chilling effect on law enforcement officers who, in the absense of the law, would have checked immigration status based on reasonable suspicion anyway. Enforcement of immigration laws in Arizona, as a result of the decision, will be even more difficult than prior to S.B. 1070.

111

So this will come down to Justice Kennedy.  Any hints about how he might rule? 

112 Drudge had a link to an article regarding a citizen photographing a slightly grotesque federal building (Federal Reserve? which really isn't a federal building). Though the federal laws do not prohibit photographing a federal building, don't tell that to the police officers around the nation who insist that they are right while they harass you.

Obama can't wait for some law enforcement officer in AZ to give him a case to prosecute on Bolton's word rather than Constitutional Law.

Mr. Malleable's precedence "teaching" as a guest lecturer for ACORN @U/Chicago only taught how to break the law legally without paying consequences for corruption.

113 I call this my "workforce stimulus."

114 She was recommended for her position by a republican, Kyl. Expect to hear this over and over and over.......

115
So what part of the law is still allowed???

This is from the lawyer-dork at Legal Erection:
The decision has to be viewed as a near complete victory for opponents of the law, as it restricts the state from routine and compulsory checks of immigration status as a matter of legislative mandate.

Yeah, no shit.

The decision would not, as I read it, prevent police from checking immigration status in a particular case, but would prevent a statewide system to do so.

Wait. What?
--------------------
"The result of the decision will be to have a chilling effect on law enforcement officers who, in the absense of the law, would have checked immigration status based on reasonable suspicion anyway. Enforcement of immigration laws in Arizona, as a result of the decision, will be even more difficult than prior to S.B. 1070."

Fucking muthafuckers.

116

Willow, this is a silly ruling.  In the state of Ohio for example failure for a citizen to provide identification is a minimum 72 hour lock-up at the Cop's discretion.  This has been ruled Constitutional BTW.

 

Therefore a mexican illegal now has "more rights" than a US citizen.

This *is* good for us, and every conservitive pundit, and GOPer should be pointing out this ruling was delivered by a Beijing billy appointee.

117 Hey, if we're just not going to enforce any laws, I say Obamas term is UP, effective immediately.  I mean, shit, nothing else in the constitution is sacred to the left.  the constitution is viewed as a temporary obstacle for them.  I guarantee it.   They only claim their 'rights' are being violated when it's convenient.  Any other day, they call for anyone they don't like to be jailed.

Hypocritical Cock jockeys

118
Leftist Clinton-appointee with an agenda, folks.  This should not be a surprise.

119 WHAT IF AZ JUST PASSED LAW INCORPORATING THE ANALGOUS FEDERAL LEGISLATION BY REFERENCE? IT WOULD BE LIKE A ONE PAGE LAW...

120 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the info that there is no liberal males and no liberal male judges. 

Guess you haven't noticed lately that a great deal of the outspoken champions of conservativism are women. 

121 Sock off.

122 Its getting time to lock and load folks, because there isn't a single branch of the Federal Government that isn't corrupt from top to bottom.

The judiciary is the worst.  It is unaccountable, overpaid and untethered by reality.

I think Federal judges at this level should be impeached on a regular basis.  Pick one of them and impeach him or her 'cause you feel like it.  The appellate judges set precedent, these schlubs shouldn't be making any headlines at all.

But, yes, we need to start keeping the corrupt legal profession out of the elected legislature and much of the appointed bureaucracy.  It should be a disqualifier for most jobs in the government.

123 She acted stupidly. Any law applied my impact a legal law abiding citizen negatively. Emtala laws that require ER's to treat people regardless of status and citizenship means law abiding citizens are paying the tab. Oh I get it. It's only bad if it effects the minority of americans.

124 "The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times...."

Aren't they required to do so right now under Federal law?

125 Brilliant! _{**clinks Guiness glass with judge Bolton**}

As I have long said here in Massachusettes, being an illegal is, of course, not illegal.

126 Hey.... Judge Bolton... you know there may be another Supreme Court opening soon.... /wink wink...

127

Hussein the Plumber: "Maybe the collapse of great societies is inevitable - fate - destiny."

Obviously a rhetorical. Government, hence the State, always - always - collapses under its own weight. Government is that giant sucking sound that gets bigger and louder until everything turns black, silent.

And then survivors, bloodied and battered, rebuild from the ash.

128 What if Arizona just said FUCK YOU to the courts?

129 Wonder how many calls the witch got from this administration offering her a damn job.   I wouldn't put it past Holder, at all.

130 Wahoo!

I'm so totally gonna start taking potshots at the traffic cameras with no fear of deportation based on racial profiling!

Wait. What?

131

We bend over backwards to protect the "rights" of illegals, yet we accept so much burdensome regulation of the actual citizens.  It's a Bizarro world we live in.

Posted by: California Red at July 28, 2010 02:03 PM (7uWb

--Start looking up "anarcho-tyranny."  The coiner of that term was a crackpot in many ways, but with that concept he was onto something.

132 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Bullshit and if that's your attitude, you may just find you fucking yourself.  Or someone else similarly equipped.

133 Is this the end yet?

134 Aren't they required to do so right now under Federal law?

Posted by: GarandFan at July 28, 2010 02:10 PM (XaWFq)

Yep, so she just declared that a burdensome requirment... does that then also set precedence for the Federal Law in Arizona?

135

None of this is having any effect whatsoever on Michelle's kids.

Just lower and middle class kids.

136 116 So this will come down to Justice Kennedy.  Any hints about how he might rule?

Depends what side of the bed he wakes up on the day of the ruling.

I'm no supporter of decadence, but in this case, perhaps someone should provide Justice Kennedy with some "comfort" beforehand.

137 125 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Yeah, those damn women with their boobies, depressed vaginas , periods, menopause and frilly underthingys are ruining this country.

138 BOB SAGET!

139

I was hoping this Judge would be like John Bolton-esque.  Looks more like Michael Bolton.

140 133 What if Arizona just said FUCK YOU to the courts?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2010 02:11 PM (9Cooa)

No lo comprendo. 

141

We bend over backwards to protect the "rights" of illegals, yet we accept so much burdensome regulation of the actual citizens.  It's a Bizarro world we live in.--Posted by: California Red

I DON'T ACCEPT THAT! Neither do the legal residents in AZ and the majority of US citizens.

I recall where Cantor declined to support the Tea Party via Michele Bachmann's new conservative caucus, voters see up close and personal who is willing to fight the good fight AND SUPPORT THE MAJORITY VOICE OF AMERICA that coincidentally identifies as "conservative", and who only wants to sabotage efforts to expunge corruption that remains Cantor's vested interest. Damned cloak and dagger republican bipartisan "centrist" elitists refuse to cut expenses across the board and rescind unconstitutional federal bureaus and programs.

142 This ruling is worse then the original law Arizona had. She more or less opened the flood gates to every illegal in the World. Law enforcements hands are really tied now.I'm pretty sure this is a prelude to amnesty before the election. I know that sounds preposterous but it could happen by executive order.

143 So is there still a country called the USA, or is that just my imagination?

144 Yes, the skull can be flaming, but it cannot have anything fiery inside or outside of it.

145 138 Is this the end yet?

Chaos is coming.  Be certain of that.

146 Okay, so it does go to the 9th Circuit next. From the LA Times: "U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton on Wednesday halted implementation of the parts of the law that require police to determine the status of people they stop and think are in the country illegally. She also forbade the state from charging anyone for a new crime of failing to possess immigration documents. Bolton's ruling found that the Obama administration was likely to prevail at trial in proving the two provisions, and two other ones in the sweeping law, were an unconstitutional attempt by Arizona to regulate immigration. Arizona is expected to immediately appeal the decision to the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco."

147 The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times...

This judge just put federal immigration laws on hold. Can she do that?

148

Judge Susan Bolton (aka FUCKING LIBERAL BITCH) is a Clinton appointee. She was appointed to the Federal bench in 2000.

It's time a state like Texas or AZ seceeded from the Union. Let's get this fucking rebellion underway already so we can get it the fuck over with.

149 This ruling is worse then the original law Arizona had. She more or less opened the flood gates to every illegal in the World. Law enforcements hands are really tied now.
Posted by: Donna

Can the Arizona Legislature re-vote the law as originally passed in a special session? Until illegal aliens are identified at voting facilities, there's no point in placing the law for a public initiative vote.

150 Matt Damon!

151 So the injunction blocks parts of the law that requires police to determine the immigration status. Does the injunction actually prevent them from doing it or just requiring that they do it?

152 Guess I picked the wrong week to do an IPO.

153 What a chickenshit ruling! This judge should be recalled/impeached for judicial cowardice and her failure to understand existing law.

154

Part 1-Neuter state immigration law
Part 2-Amnesty for all illegals
Part 3-Felon voting rights restored
Part 4-Intimidate with impunity at the polls
Part 5-Re-election party in Chicago

155 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Yes, I am offended.  All I can say is, any time any where shithead.

(My only fear I will be trampled by the other morons who wish to kick your ass, dickweed...)

156

I once saw a quote... can't remember where....

Basic idea was that the Civil War took us from "These United States" (ie States United) to "THE United States" (one entity).

This ruling just prooved that State Power under the Constitution no longer exists... (if it stands).

157 So is there still a country called the USA, or is that just my imagination?

Posted by: kansas at July 28, 2010 02:13 PM (mka2b)

It is now the American Socialist Superstate.

158 Law?  There is no fuckin' law in this country.  There is only politics.

All judgeships should be elected positions.

159 No state involvement in kidnappings, then?
Posted by: nickless

Tit for tat, then.

160

So.........these pinkos pick and choose which laws they will enforce and which they will not. Arizona's duly elected legislature and Governor made a law to try to deal with an alien invasion of hostile foreign nationals and some twat federal judge (lifetime appointment) says....what? Her ruling is incoherent drivel.

I hate these people.

161
What it comes down to is...

a federal judge just usurped the sovereignty of a state's governor and a state's legislature.

162 Posted by: FreedomFighter at July 28, 2010 02:15 PM (XHR9b)

Didn't they pass some kind of law that says you can't say anything publicly about a judge?

163 Hey, McCain!

Where's that "dang fence"?

164 All judgeships should be elected positions. Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:18 PM (hgh1H) Or else be term limited. 10 years in, then out forever.

165 Does this mean I don't have to show my ID when I travel on a plane?   I can now discard my CA. drivers license.   Obviously if anyone ask for my ID they are being racist.

166 "166
What it comes down to is...

a federal judge just usurped the sovereignty of a state's governor and a state's legislature.

Posted by: 1969 Ford Blow Me at July 28, 2010 02:18 PM (uFokq)"

yeah, no biggie.....

167

I see this as fully coordinated.  Obama/Geithner are going to let the Bush tax rates expire, which will put added pressure on small businesses (like building contractors, landscapers, restaurants).  The only way they make payrolls is by ensuring a steady supply of illegal immigrants (keeping wages down) and not having to pay additional employment expenses.

 

168

Surprise, surprise. The Arizona law was meant to strengthen existing law, and this judge has taken this opportunity to WEAKEN existing law.

According to her ruling immigrants do not have to produce identification on demand, which they must under current law. So, in trying to strengthen up immigration law Arizona's case has, as of yet, only wound up weakening it. Dontcha love the libs and their legal mandarins?

169 You know, the Tea Party is going to need to become a real Tea Party. That is to say, we will no longer feed the engine that is starving us.

A taxpayer revolt looks to me to be the nation's only recourse. We cannot keep financing this beast that is committed to destroying our lives. We continue to enable institutions that refuse to protect our lives and liberty by bitching about it while still paying for it.

This ruling is a red flag that things cannot end well. I had hope that this would be the beginning of States reasserting their rights and enforcing legitimate, commonsense law. I'm losing it.

170 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Don't forget Southerners.  We fucked it all up too.

171 Isn't Jane Brewer a woman? 

172 172 and wwe all know how the voting would go...

173 If I'm not mistaken, Sarah Palin's a woman too. 

174 @AmishDude

Sorry if it offends, I'm sure there's exceptions.  Hence the reason I had to stop using twitter.

175 Hmmm. I wonder if Judge Bolton likes to golf?

176

It is now the American Socialist Superstate.

*slow clap for PoP*

led by Pres. Dwayne Elizaondo Mountain Dew Herbert Comacho (minus his ability to shoot, let alone, hold a weapon)

177 Lets hope states take this ruling to the extreme. All federal laws must be federally enforced, since now states don't have the authority to enforce them. Most states passed seat belt laws because they were coerced by loss of federal highway funds. OK Barry, your law, you enforce. Pulling over people for seatbelt violations puts a burden on officers who could put more effort into catching speeders and drunks who pose more of a danger to public safety. Just go right down the line. Federal law, federal enforcement.

178 led by Pres. Dwayne Elizaondo Mountain Dew Herbert Comacho

I wish.

179 69 There is a substantial likelihood that Judge Bolton is an idiot.

Posted by: KG at July 28, 2010 01:52 PM (S8TF5)

Idiot, Clinton appointee, same thing.....

180 The stench from the bench is making me clench!

181 Jesus Fuckin' Christ.  Thank God I'm drunk.

182

Posted by: bigred at July 28, 2010 02:22 PM (uh7Ap)

Well, I do remember his wanting a "Civilian Federal Security Agency" with the same type of resouces as the Dept. of Defense... so don't give him the excuse....

183

I once saw a quote... can't remember where....

Basic idea was that the Civil War took us from "These United States" (ie States United) to "THE United States" (one entity).

This ruling just prooved that State Power under the Constitution no longer exists... (if it stands).

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 28, 2010 02:17 PM (H+oXM)

--Ha!  It's funny, I was just watching National Treasure 2 a couple hours ago and the Ben Gates character mentioned (not sure if it's apocryphal or not) the Civil War changing people's saying "The United States are . . ." to "The United states is . . ."

184 O/T -- Rush just stole a bunch of stuff straight from Sweetness & Light.

185 Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue.

186
We are at a point in our nation's history when the rule of law is controversial.

187 186 Jesus Fuckin' Christ. Thank God I'm drunk. Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:22 PM (hgh1H) Haven't touched the sauce in a long time but this administration and leftists in general are making Valu-Rite and tonic sound pretty goddam good right now.

188 #181  led by Pres. Dwayne Elizaondo Mountain Dew Herbert Comacho (minus his ability to shoot, let alone, hold a weapon)

I finally get that reference, having watched Idiocracy the other night.

Don't think it'll take 500 years to get to that point for real. 

189

Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2010 02:23 PM (Y/Gpb)

Thanks, could very well be where I heard it... LOL...

190 The unelected branch strikes again.This is a prime example of why ever judicial appointee these statists try to put in office should be stopped.

By the way, I don't think the legal analysis even goes far enough. The judge actually used this an an excuse to put an end to any existing questioning or detention that arises from discovering the status of an illegal alien. It will have the effect of producing challenges to what has in the past otherwise been legal detentions based on immigration status.

Every lowlife criminal defense lawyer that represents one of these morons will now challenge that detention if it involved any investigation of immigration status (irrespective of what current statutes/law says).

Burden on the police? My aunt sally. Just wait until the poo starts to fly on this decision when someone else gets killed because an illegal alien is released for criminal activity on the basis of "improper" residency status discovery.

Thanks for making us more unsafe asswipes. I can't wait until November.

191

10 judges in 10 courts can rule one way, all it takes is one liberal Clinton-appointed judge outside of our state to stop the will of the Governor, the State Legislature, the majority of legal citizens of Arizona, and even the majority of the citizens of the US.

Ignore the judge?  Time to play State vs. Fed chicken?  Could Brewer make a statement for state rights, and instruct her sheriffs to ignore the judge?

Same thing for the drilling moritorium in the Gulf.  Ignore it and see what they do next.

Same thing for forcing citizens to purchase health insurance they don't want to purchase.  Don't do it, don't pay the resulting fine.  See what they do.

 

192
somewhere in Washington a little old gray man just said, "Phew!"


John McCain is secretly very pleased.

193 186 Jesus Fuckin' Christ.  Thank God I'm drunk.

I'm assuming it's not drunk on life...

Drinking heavily seems like a feasible option of getting through things until chaos comes.

194

Read this, folks, and take it to heart.   This a speach by Justice Clarence Thomas that he delivered in 2001, but, believe me, it is very pertinent to what we are going through today.   Use it as inspiration to fight these basturds with everything we have.  

In it he speaks of 'civil virtues' and 'vigorous virtues'.   It is not a time for civil virtues, but instead we must compel vigorous virtues.

"Though they
are not mutually exclusive or necessarily incompatible, active citizens and leaders must
be governed by the vigorous rather than the caring virtues. We must not allow our desire
to be decent and well-mannered people to overwhelm the substance of our principles or
our determination to fight for their success. Ultimately, we should seek both caring and
vigorous virtues—but above all, we must not allow the former to dominate the latter."

http://tiny.cc/qefis

 

195 The word 'punt' comes to mind.

196 I'm assuming it's not drunk on life...

There's no fuckin' life either.  This is all a lie and always was.

197 We (and especially Arizona) are officially the world's bitch. That's it.

198 Is it illegal for Arizona to enforce the federal injunction against Arizona enforcing federal law?

199

so damn wackey.

the state of arizona in compliance with Obama care may know the state of my uterus, if i smoke or drink, and if i ever took an anitdepressant.

but they are not allowed to Ask  for at any documentation if you look foreign?

200 So the Federal Judge just decided to not decide until there is decision decided by another deciding body. Or am I reading that wrong?

201 SEC NOT BOUND BY FOIA (freedomofinformationact) ANYMORE PER THE RECENT UNREAD LEGISLATION PASSED BY THOSE WHO KNOW BETTER THAN WE (per BECK), HUH?

SOON WE WILL WILL LEARN THAT OTHER UNREAD LEGISLATION PROVIDES THAT ONLY THE VOTES OF REGISTERED DEMOCRATS WILL BE COUNTED IN FUTURE ELECTIONS.

APOLOGIZE FOR YELLING.

202 Tzhanthsibar!

203 from what i skimmed of the ruling, there are specific wording issues with some of the sections that could be addressed by the legislature, fixing the problems with emergency legislation, which might render the injunction moot.

i hope they go there.

fuck the illegals and the scum who support them.

204 I suggest someone with standing should subpoena "Judge" Bolton's phone records. We need to know who called her -- was it Eric Shabazz Holder or Osama Obama himself? Or both?

To borrow the title of a Paul Erdman novel: we are living in the "Last Days of America."  And the downhill slide, as all downhill slides do, is speeding up.

As usual, the so-called "conservative" voices are treating this ruling as just another talking point, ripe for poll-testing and sellout deals with their lefty brethren in Congress.

Combine this with the Traitor-in-Chief's active coddling of the open-borders crowd, DOJ's disenfranchisement of our military and de facto support for voter intimidation when it furthers the radical black agenda, and it becomes an act of war.

205

"Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled.

This isn't even a proper summary of the AZ statute. The language in the AZ law stipulates that AZ law enforcement cannot pursue immigration status UNLESS there is cause to believe the individual is here illegally i.e. no drivers license, no identification, etc . . . .

The judge has set up a clever straw man predicate ("immigration status of every person who is arrested') in her ruling. The problem though is the fact the predicate is F-A-L-S-E.

These folks are devious bastards.  

206 I mean, the Left is always fine with "civil disobedience".   It's time for conservative civil disobedience.  Ignore the judge, ignore the Feds, peacefully disobey, obey the state law that has clear support of the legal citizens of the State in question, and see what they do.

207 APOLOGIZE FOR YELLING. Posted by: Stan Smith at July 28, 2010 02:29 PM (EC3UD) No problemo (figure I'd better practice). I do a lot of primal screaming in the car. Keeps some extra space around me.

208 151 Okay, so it does go to the 9th Circuit next. From the LA Times: "U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton on Wednesday halted implementation of the parts of the law that require police to determine the status of people they stop and think are in the country illegally. She also forbade the state from charging anyone for a new crime of failing to possess immigration documents.

Bolton's ruling found that the Obama administration was likely to prevail at trial in proving the two provisions, and two other ones in the sweeping law, were an unconstitutional attempt by Arizona to regulate immigration. Arizona is expected to immediately appeal the decision to the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco."

Posted by: joncelli at July 28, 2010 02:14 PM (RD7QR)

If AZ goes to the 9th Cir., a ruling could come pretty quickly.  At that point, AZ could go to SCOTUS.  Because they are not in session, the appeal would be directed to Justice Kennedy (the Circuit Justice for the 9th Cir.), who would probably refer it to the full court.  Conference call, or whatever, could be set up, and a ruling could come very quickly.  Because Judge Bolton rules on DOJ's likelihood of success - this could be a pretty significant step.

209 Every lowlife criminal defense lawyer that represents one of these morons will now challenge that detention if it involved any investigation of immigration status (irrespective of what current statutes/law says).

That's exactly why this is a gift.  This is going to affect every jurisdiction across the country with illegals in it.

210 Can't wait to hear from my Barky-loving friend in AZ who is fed up to here with illegals.  How's all that hopenchange working out, now?

211 I don't think we're in America any more, Toto.

212

Posted by: MostlyRight at July 28, 2010 02:26 PM (0aCXd)

 

I'm wondering what would happen if Gov Brewer just made an Executive order, as the Chief Law Enforcment Officer of her State, that ALL Police would enforce FEDERAL immigration law, to the letter.

And that ALL people who had any interaction with the Police, would have to proove Identity... ALL people... no exceptions.

Once ID was checked, it would be apparent if they were here legaly, or illegaly, and as the FEDERAL Immigration laws say that its a FELONY for you to knowingly harbor illegal aliens?  A cop, by following Federal Law, would HAVE to take them to ICE.

The problem all along has been one of Lax enforcement of EXISTING Law... so she makes an order that they will Enforce EXISTING law.

213 Court rules college could expel student over her religious views.

Another Clinton appointed judge.

214

The MFM will ensure Blago's inevitable conviction displaces this story from the headlines.  The "meme" (if I can still use this term) that Democrats are corrupt appeals to voters more than the reality that Dems are defiant of the people's will. 

215 175 96 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Don't forget Southerners.  We fucked it all up too.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H)

And Jews!  We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone!

216 SOON WE WILL WILL LEARN THAT OTHER UNREAD LEGISLATION PROVIDES THAT ONLY THE VOTES OF REGISTERED DEMOCRATS WILL BE COUNTED IN FUTURE ELECTIONS.

I can believe that too.  Things that once upon a time I would have dismissed as crazy talk can no longer be ruled out.  These are frightening times.

These people are getting bolder and bolder and bolder.  I really think that March 21st was the day that the thin, frayed remaining thread connecting them to fear of the governed finally broke and they suddenly realized, en masse, that they really could do ANYTHING.

217

The Florida State Supreme Kangaroo Kourt in 2000. Prop 187. Kelso v New London. Prop 22. The 2nd Amendment survived the SCOTUS last month with one vote in the balance. This week the 1st Amendment survived on a 3 vote margin.

Now this. Time to get a conservative Congress in there and start impeaching judges at every federal level. Clean house. If this republic is to be saved, this has got to start happening sometime. Either that or it'll have to be a Jacksonian move to simply ignore whatever the courts have to say until they come back to earth.

218
This is the most fucked up midterm election year ever.

The Republicans are running away from popular issues and the Democrats are moving further to the left.

None of this makes any sense.

219 Bitch set me up!!

220 223 I'm for that Jacksonian deal you speak of.

221 The Republicans are running away from popular issues and the Democrats are moving further to the left.

None of this makes any sense.

Posted by: 1969 Ford Blow Me at July 28, 2010 02:34 PM (uFokq)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha_hahahhaaaaaa

222
John fucking Edwards was right.

There are Two Americas.

And they're on a collision course.

223 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Don't forget Southerners.  We fucked it all up too.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H)

And Jews!  We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone!

Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace*

224 People, come on, can't you see the obvious? It ain't the women who are screwing up this country, it's the spiders. It's the damn spiders with their sneaky mind control rays! They're weaving webs of doom, and envenomating citizens on every street corner, and in every bed at night! We rot from within by the nefarious toxins coursing through our body politics. To arms! Stop the spiders now!

225 Either that or it'll have to be a Jacksonian move to simply ignore whatever the courts have to say until they come back to earth.

"The Chief Justice has made his decision; now let us see him enforce it."  Our only hope really is an executive, or collection of executives, with those kinds of balls.  Sadly there are none in sight.  With one possible exception.

226 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself. Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC) Don't forget Southerners. We fucked it all up too. Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H) And Jews! We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone! Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace* Posted by: Fags at July 28, 2010 02:36 PM (aOKEC) BWAHAHAHahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! Pikers, every one of you!

227

Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace*

Posted by: Fags at July 28, 2010 02:36 PM (aOKEC)

Is that you, Andy?

228 Either that or it'll have to be a Jacksonian move to simply ignore whatever the courts have to say until they come back to earth.

We lost the rule of law long before any of us here were born. 

Obama has been doing a kickass job of making it painfully clear.

229

--Ha!  It's funny, I was just watching National Treasure 2 a couple hours ago and the Ben Gates character mentioned (not sure if it's apocryphal or not) the Civil War changing people's saying "The United States are . . ." to "The United states is . . ."

Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2010 02:23 PM (Y/Gpb)

I've seen this claim many times, including some post on it by the fools over at Volokh.  I'm not entirely convinced of it, since reference has been made to "America" as a single nation, from the very beginning.  It's only in the form of the "United States" that some used "are", but there was never any question of whether this was a single, unified country.  You can look at the Federalist Papers to see this all over.  For a simple example, in Federalist 7, Hamilton writes:

"It has been the prudent policy of Congress to appease this controversy, by prevailing upon the States to make cessions to the United States for the benefit of the whole"

where it's very clear that "the United States" is referred to as a singular entity.

I would add, though, that in the very, very beginning, you could find reference to "the united States" with "united" not capitalized, which just emphasizes the sovereignty of the individual States in their participation in the Union (a label also often used and indicative of a clear idea of a single national entity), but never doubted the existence of America as a single, solitary national entity. 

That said, there's no question that one of the main effects of the Civil War (which wasn't really a "civil war") was to centralize much power in Washington.  I think that the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, and other such acts and rulings of the 20th century did much more along these lines than the Civil War did.

230

People, come on, can't you see the obvious? It ain't the women who are screwing up this country, it's the spiders. It's the damn spiders with their sneaky mind control rays! They're weaving webs of doom, and envenomating citizens on every street corner, and in every bed at night! We rot from within by the nefarious toxins coursing through our body politics. To arms! Stop the spiders now!

Please stop underestimating the CHUDs. And pod people. Speciesist bastard.

231 232 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)


Don't forget Southerners. We fucked it all up too.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H)

And Jews! We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone!

Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace*

Posted by: Fags at July 28, 2010 02:36 PM (aOKEC)

BWAHAHAHahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! Pikers, every one of you!

Posted by: The Freemasons, bitches at July 28, 2010 02:38 PM (RD7QR)

Hah, I see our Sockpuppet finaly chimed in....

232 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Your mom, for one.

233
speaking of judges and lawsuits...

Can someone tell me why we aren't suing the shit out of ObamaCare? What are we waiting for?

234 89 What do you mean, "you people?"

235

What's next? When I'm pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation I will get to take and wear the cops uniform, take his gun and badge, and take off in his cop car with the siren blaring? Ai Carumba! Ariba!

I'm bring my family too!

236 What it comes down to is...
a federal judge just usurped the sovereignty of a state's governor and a state's legislature. --Posted by: 1969 Ford Blow Me

Exactly why I pose the thought that AZ ignore Bolton with a lawsuit against Bolton. Sure, you can't constitutionally sue a Federal Judge for her stupidity. But tit for tat. Obama has NO basis for his law suit vs. AZ except that he WANTS to sue AZ.

237

Re: 196.

Hank Rearden up in this bitch.  The feds are pushing edicts they have no right to make.  They need us to cooperate not just with the edict, but with the lie that we the people consent to it.  The fact is we consent at gunpoint, but with all the appearances of good order.  If we throw out the lie of consent by acting disobediently, the feds must eventually fall back to the foundation of their edicts - force. 

These are interesting times we live in, and in doing so, we see why wishing that upon a person is a curse. 

238 232 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)


Don't forget Southerners. We fucked it all up too.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H)

And Jews! We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone!

Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace*

Posted by: Fags at July 28, 2010 02:36 PM (aOKEC)

BWAHAHAHahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! Pikers, every one of you!

Posted by: The Freemasons, bitches at July 28, 2010 02:38 PM (RD7QR)

Hi!  Are we too early?

239 O/T:  "Was a Japanese tanker attacked in the Strait of Hormuz?

240 You people need to lighten up.  Catch my cool self on The View tomorrow.  The Boy Scouts can suck it.

Oh, and I won, bitches.

241 Sorry, but I seriously agree about the women. 80% at least are too uninformed to vote.

242 Rush is having a flood of callers who are really really really upset.  One guy jsut asked where he can go?

What about Canada?  Can Americans emigrate to Canada?

243 i never had a doubt in my mind that she would rule this way and it would be 1 day before the law would take effect.
SHE'S A DEMOCRAT appointee.
she's a clinton appointee.
i don't care what they said about her being an indie and thoughtful.
She can now go home to her paradise valley/arcadia neighborhood home and celebrate with the others that live next to her.
*
She has just gutted the ability of the police to enforce kidnapping charges against ILLEGALS - so those that run drop houses? they have to be let go.
*
She also just said it was ok to allow employment of illegals.
*
and she just said that the reason she did this was because it would OVERWHELM the US federal system to have to check and validate the names of those that were being asked about. I'm getting my tissue box out and crying for ME as I live in this state and Susan bolton can kiss the crack of my ass after i've had mexican food.

244  Oh, how far we have sunk to allow the enemies of liberty and freedom for Americans - into our very halls of government. The damnable Marxists will push this country to civil war.

245

@243 Speaking of Hank Rearden, how do we Galt this issue?  Name and shame contractors or restaurants that hire illegals? 

246 237 232 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)


Don't forget Southerners. We fucked it all up too.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 02:20 PM (hgh1H)

And Jews! We've done our part! Just ask... well anyone!

Hello!!!!!!!! What about our fabulous asses!!!!!!!!!?????????? *jazzhands at a furious pace*

Posted by: Fags at July 28, 2010 02:36 PM (aOKEC)

BWAHAHAHahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! Pikers, every one of you!

Posted by: The Freemasons, bitches at July 28, 2010 02:38 PM (RD7QR)

Don't forget about us, pretenders!  We're the masters of fucking everything up! 

247 I'm not a judge, nor do I play one on TV or a blog, but I'm trying to interpret the flaming skull. That's the trouble with art sometimes.

248

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 28, 2010 02:39 PM (Qp4DT)

 

I think it goes more to the attitude of the people.  Most thought of themselves as citizens of their State first... (folks like Lee)...

I've read letters from one of my GGGG Grandfathers, who fought for the Great State of Virginia in the "War between the States"... he never really mentioned the Confederacy...

Not sure if it was even called a Civil War until Lincoln used that term for it at Gettysburg....

So, I think that statment goes more towards the attitude of much of the (Sourthern?) citizenry... rather than the Government itself...

249 So, it has become illegal to enforce the countries boarders?
I'm just gonna start turning over

250 yes women like Grahmnesty, dodd, rangle, franks, obama.

251 the police could VOLUNTARILY check immigration status, of course- the law simply can't direct them to do so, pending trial. 

252

Romeo13, I don't think Dear Nutcase would bother with an excuse. He would just assume we were all with Him.

The quote you referenced was from Shelby Foote. He said the Civil War changed America from an "are" to an "is".

253 We are so very very boned.

254 1969 Ford Blow Me: "Can someone tell me why we aren't suing the shit out of ObamaCare? What are we waiting for?"

My snarky guess? Standing. It will be determined that no one has it.

255 [McCain] can equivocate whether or not he supports it, or he can come out against the ruling - either way, he wins. Hayworth just lost big on this, imo.--Posted by: Hussein the Plumber

So far as AZ citizen majority of voters are concerned, there is only ONE WAY McCain can play this, the same way as I'd imagine Hayworth will.

256 These people are fucking retarded.  Judges that make stupid decisions should be tossed from the country on their fucking ear.

257 the police could VOLUNTARILY check immigration status, of course- the law simply can't direct them to do so, pending trial.

Hopefully, she didn't enjoin the Catapult Clause.

258 D'oh

259 OT
Reuters link to possible missile attack on tanker

http://tinyurl.com/25j3rl5

Oman's coastguard said there was no evidence of any attack on the tanker and instead cited an earthquake.

"The boat was hit by a tremor ...we have no information of an attack," an Omani coastguard official told Reuters.

Unless these earthquakes have some corporeal transportable aspect outside of the, uh, earth. I'm guessing this is very bad news. Maybe China told Norks to tell Iran to stir shit?

260 We are so very very boned.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at July 28, 2010 02:47 PM (eCAn3)

Uncle facts, Drudge says there is a meteor heading our way. One of yours?

261
"may put undue burden on..."

Waitafuckingminutehere. Doesn't the plaintiff in the case have to PROVE this before a judge makes this ruling?

This judge simply agreed with the plaintiff; the plaintiff never proved it would cause undue burden on others.

And since when does this shitbag Bolton care about undue burdens placed on others? Let's look at her past decisions and see how consistent she is.

262 238 229 Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Your mom, for one.

Posted by: nickless at July 28, 2010 02:41 PM (MMC8r)

Hey, leave her out of this.  She was a great lay.

(I had to chase off that schnauser first, though...)

263 As an Arizonan, I have to say, I'm pretty well convinced that any sort of "Comprehensive Immigration" plan going forward is just bullshit on it's face.

There is no plan.

There cannot ever be a plan.

It's all just some way of favoring one politically juiced group over another.

Rule of law?

Hah!

We all have to just wait until the cartels vote themselves into office and vote themselves half million dollar salaries to "serve" on City Council a la Bell, CA.

Then the violence will end.

Hee!

264 yes women union members, women judges like paul stevens

265 hell off with Maragaret Thatcher and Golda Meirs head! damn women!

266

260 From the email I got last night from the attorney general of Va;

^{Dear Friends,}

^{I know it's been a while since I've written each of you - but I wanted to send out a note to stay tuned and be a expecting a major announcement in the healthcare case.  The judge in the case is expected to announce his decision on the motion to dismiss within the next week.} 

^{Obviously this decision has huge ramifications - and as an early supporter of this cause, rest assured that we'll let you know as soon as the decision has been made.} 

^{If Virginia's case survives this hurdle, a summary judgment hearing is scheduled for October 18th to decide if the federal health care law is unconstitutional.} 

^{I look forward to updating you once a decision has been made.}

 

267 the police could VOLUNTARILY check immigration status, of course- the law simply can't direct them to do so, pending trial.  Posted by: ippolita

If so, they'd have done it before the law was discussed in the AZ Legislature.

Also, should a cop voluntarily check immigration status NOW, legally or not, Obama will abuse the circumstances to usurp powers to defy the Constitution.

268
Standing. It will be determined that no one has it.

You're right because we live in Bizarro Universe.

269

Sorry, but I seriously agree about the women. 80% at least are too uninformed to vote.

If you want informed  voters, require a damn civics tests. Let's see how well men (and even white men) do. There's no reason to think problem is just limited to women.

 

270 and she just said that the reason she did this was because it would OVERWHELM the US federal system to have to check and validate the names of those that were being asked about.

So in other words, she came right out and admitted that the merits and questions of the Constitutionality of the law itself did not factor into her decision.

Even the judges don't even bother trying to hide it anymore.

THERE IS NO LAW IN THIS COUNTRY.

271 We are, um, very distressed by this ruling and think that, um, this could be, y'know, bad.

So, um, vote for us in November and we'll ah, take a look at doing...something.

272 O and palin, she really sucks too! damned women

273 257 the police could VOLUNTARILY check immigration status, of course- the law simply can't direct them to do so, pending trial.

Except, (as seen from the Legal Insurrection analysis):

The result of the decision will be to have a chilling effect on law enforcement officers who, in the absense of the law, would have checked immigration status based on reasonable suspicion anyway.

274 dagny at July 28, 2010 02:50

Worth a prayer for that.

275

Uncle facts, Drudge says there is a meteor heading our way. One of yours?

Posted by: robtr at July 28, 2010 02:48 PM (fwSHf)

If the impact is centered on DC, then yes.

276 Yeah, them wimmins like that Jan Brewer are really bringing this country down. 

November is going to be very interesting, indeed.

277 was just watching National Treasure 2 a couple hours ago and the Ben Gates character mentioned (not sure if it's apocryphal or not) the Civil War changing people's saying "The United States are . . ." to "The United states is . . ."

Yeah and they made it sound like that was a good thing. I watched that movie all the way through the first time and remarked to my wife "this one definitely was not as good as the first".

I put it in the player the other day after watching the first one and watched ten minutes of it. Then I said this movie not only is worse than the first, but it sucks as well.  And it was for this kind of propaganda shit that I turned it off.

BTW, I think that saying came from some other speech, and it wasn't "praising" that fact either. I forget where it came from.

278 Posted by: Romeo13 at July 28, 2010 02:45 PM (H+oXM)

Yes.  That all seems very reasonable and sensible.  I just think that the "are" was more of a verbal tic than a deep feeling, since the same people would say "America is" or "the Union is", as has always been said.  It seems to me more of an issue of English, since "United States are" is grammatically correct, as "United States" is a plural.  It is only when the phrase "United States" is taken as an idiom for a singular entity that "is" becomes the appropriate form of "to be" for it, so to me it was just the natural English to start that eventually gave way to viewing the label "United States (of America)" in the same way that the synonyms "Union" and "America" had been used.  If you just started saying "the United States is", it is very awkward English that one must adjust to over time.  To us it sounds normal because we grew up with it, but I would guess that, from the start, it was the "are" (the natural English verb form) that was what people grew up with.

This is all just conjecture on my part, but it's the way I've looked at this.

279 Unclefacts, while you're at it, could you aim one at Chicago?  Thanks in advance.

280 yeah all those darn Tea Party women , for shame on them!

281 My snarky guess? Standing. It will be determined that no one has it.

No snark required.  That really is an option they're reserving when it comes to throwing out any challenges.

282 It's gotten to the point that I can't watch the news anymore.  I stopped for 6 months after January, 2009 because I was too depressed all the time.  It's happening again.  The most depressing thing of all of this is the fact that 48% of the population of this once great nation voted this fuck and his fuckwads into office.  That fact alone shows that this country is boned.  When that percentage of the electorate is that motherfucking ignorant, we are fucking screwed.

283 Wait just one minute...where are all the men in this country?

Why didn't they sack DC before the Feds stole their families earnings and private healthcare???

When are the Alpha Males going to show up...how much more can we take?

284 If you want informed  voters, require a damn civics tests. Let's see how well men (and even white men) do. There's no reason to think problem is just limited to women.

White guys are tards.  Vote for me, fierce mama grizzly!  RARRR!

285

Wow. Women are being lumped together just as if the Black Panther assholes represent all blacks. This is fucking sick.

 

286 When, when, WHEN the pudding hour??!!/1! *I gots my special spoon!

287 This is all we need to know about this.

Susan Bolton. She joined the court in 2000 after being nominated by President  Bill Clinton.

288 Los Estados Unidos estan chingando. 

289
stupid question: Is the minority party allowed to submit bills in the House?

Why aren't the Republicans drafting and submitting a shitload of bills that resonate with the concerns of the people? Why aren't they submitting a bill right now to enforce illegal immigration?

I know these bills won't come to the floor for a vote, but at least it look like the Republicans are doing something rather than just sitting around playing defense.

We have no offense in the GOP. None. And it's a bad image.

290 "opponents of the crackdown"

Gosh, no bias in the way this story is being reported, is there.

291 Clean up on Aisle 293!

292

So illegals are free to roam around with no ID but

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Mortgage loan originators will have to be fingerprinted and sign up to a central registry to do business in future, according to final rules issued on Wednesday by the Federal Reserve and other regulators.

The rules are part of the Secure and Fair Enforcement for Mortgage Licensing Act of 2008, also called the S.A.F.E. Act.

They were issued by the Fed, Comptroller of the Currency, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, Office of Thrift Supervision, Farm Credit Administration and National Credit Union Administration.

But mortgage loan originators will be treated like criminals. Bizarro World

293

Wait just one minute...where are all the men in this country?

Pam, can you send me a complimentary DVD on this topic??

294 Court rules college could expel student over her religious views.

I haven't seen this one, but I'm going to guess that the religious views were not "Muslim".  Don't worry, the first Christian college to expel a Muslim student will ensure that the law is overturned.

295 When are the Alpha Males going to show up...how much more can we take?

Sacking D.C. was on my schedule but then the bars opened.

296 What about Canada?  Can Americans emigrate to Canada?

Posted by: curious at July 28, 2010 02:44 PM (p302b)

--For all its socialist loony tendencies, at least Canada has a halfway sane immigration policy . . . although if Green cards and citizenships get given away like lollipops in the USA that may have to be changed.

297
Susan Bolton. She joined the court in 2000 after being nominated by President  Bill Clinton.

Who controlled the Senate in 2000?

298 Special rules for special people. Citizens of Arizona will have to provide a driver's license when pulled over but illegal cocksuckers don't need to. It's okay for leftist cocksuckers to impersonate veterans, but still illegal to impersonate a lawyer. Do as the leftist overlords say, not as they do. Arizona should just enforce the damn law. Fuck the federal government. A corrupt judge gave a corrupt decision and the people of Arizona should stand resolute against the tyranny of those in black robes. Arizona should enforce its constitutional authority to protect it's people and govern its territory. Fuck the Federal Government and their star chamber. Resist the fascist tyranny encroaching on our liberty and security. Time for citizens to start apprehending illegals under citizen's arrest. Round 'em up. Throw them in a truck and drive 'em back across the border. Dump them in the Mexican desert. The federal government won't protect you. Now Arizona is prohibited form protecting you. Arizonans need to protect themselves. Let's see a federal judge stop you from being border patrol.

299 yeah,   what horseshit.

300 Didn't notice me, did you.  You were way too worried about oil and racism.  What else did you miss?

Mark Levin seemed very concerned about this development last night, very concerned.

301 What if Arizona just said FUCK YOU to the courts? Posted by: J.J. Sefton

EXACTLY.

302 When are the Alpha Males going to show up...how much more can we take?

Posted by: pam at July 28, 2010 02:54 PM (h8R9p)

Most have been trained to the idea that any fighting is bad... in school... where they suspend BOTH people involved in a fight, not matter who starts it.  We've now had a couple of generations of it...

Heck, I was "invited to leave" Hot Air a few months back for saying their ARE things worth fighting for... I had "Jeffersonian Fantasys" (H/T Allahpundit)

Question is when will a Leader emerge... and can one organize when the DHS is already on the lookout for Right Wing Tea Party Miltia types...

303  Let's face it folks, woman have ruined this once great republic. Sorry to be so harsh but, if you are offended by my statement then you may go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 28, 2010 02:00 PM (EL+OC)

Ha, sorry I don't get offened by some ignorant 18th century asshole on the innertubes. I just laught at them.

Go buy a Burka for your ugly girlfriend if you don't like her.

304 How the fuck did this judge come to the conclusion that AZ's enforcement of federal law will cause irreparable harm to the federal government? We are through the looking glass here.

305 Susan Bolton. She joined the court in 2000 after being nominated by President  Bill Clinton.

That really is all that matters.  There is no law.  There is only the question of who was nominated by whom; after which the judge-shopping can proceed apace.

306 Now let's see Judge Bolton enforce her little ruling.

Nothing can stop a cop from asking about immigration status on a traffic stop.

307 The most depressing thing of all of this is the fact that 48% of the population of this once great nation voted this fuck and his fuckwads into office.

Posted by: PISSED at July 28, 2010 02:54 PM (xm1A1)

You mean 52%....

308

Posted by: God Damn It at July 28, 2010 02:55 PM (R1oFI)

rut roh

309

When they lower themselves to speak to us at all, and when they harangue us with reference to their "service", this represents the service to which they refer:

http://tinyurl.com/2g9mu6t

instapundit

310 The War Between the Undead States@276,

Makes perfect sense... for an imbecile. The biggest problems we face are the ones we cannot face.

Just wondering. Do they teach law in law school? Or is it more like "journalism" school where the title is just a suggestion - just kind of an essence you may or may not choose to absorb by whim?"

311 247 Sorry, but I seriously agree about the women. 80% at least are too uninformed to vote.

Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2010 02:44 PM (5GQ6w)

Sorry, but I seriously think that all men named dagny should submit to an IQ test before they vote....or breed.

312 241

What's next? When I'm pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation I will get to take and wear the cops uniform, take his gun and badge, and take off in his cop car with the siren blaring? Ai Carumba! Ariba!

I'm bring my family too!

Posted by: Your Friendly Illegal DUI Alien at July 28, 2010 02:41 PM (smdUn)

You also get to apparently throw the cop in the back of the squad and take them to a detention facility to see whether they voted Republican.  If so, you get to keep the squad car and get the cop's pension. 

313 Come on people, nothing to see here.  President Awesome's going to be on The View tomorrow, after snubbing the Boy Scouts, Chelsea Clinton's planning a faaabulous wedding, Michelle Antoinette has reserved 30 rooms in the most expensive hotel in Spain.  And we Americans are a bunch of spoiled, under-taxed, fat asses who don't appreciate our betters.

Get with the program. 

314
If the GOP was smart, which they're not, and if they wanted to win, which they don't, they'd draft a Bill of Rights For Taxpayers.

They'd gain 100 seats in the House if they did.

We have no protection from the mandibles of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. There is nothing stopping them.

315 320 241

What's next? When I'm pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation I will get to take and wear the cops uniform, take his gun and badge, and take off in his cop car with the siren blaring? Ai Carumba! Ariba!

I'm bring my family too!

Posted by: Your Friendly Illegal DUI Alien at July 28, 2010 02:41 PM (smdUn)

You also get to apparently throw the cop in the back of the squad and take them to a detention facility to see whether they voted Republican.  If so, you get to keep the squad car and get the cop's pension. 

Posted by: Journolist at July 28, 2010 03:01 PM (8EEyy)

But just don't film it, thats illegal in some states...

316 Most have been trained to the idea that any fighting is bad... in school... where they suspend BOTH people involved in a fight, not matter who starts it.  We've now had a couple of generations of it...

That's true, but we've also been trained to the idea that there would be some pretty big fucking guns waiting for us that would have little trouble putting an end to any sacking we had in mind before we could even get near the place.  Even peaceable assembly in D.C. is going to be cracked down upon before much longer.

317 "U.S. Navy Investigating Report of Persian Gulf Tanker Attack"

318

Go buy a Burka for your ugly girlfriend ...

Posted by: robtr at July 28, 2010 02:59 PM (fwSHf)

She was a good lay too, BTW.

319 OK I was wrong, the quote did come from a liberal POS praising the change.  It came from Shelby Foote's "war documentary".

http://tinyurl.com/yefm54j

320 Well, one thing is sure, she's a fucking  rocket scientist from Iowa?


Bolton received a BA from the University of Iowa in 1973 and a JD from the University of Iowa Law school in 1975.

321 curious @ 308...you can bet your bottom dollar that if the Democrat legislature in Mass passed this, it's bad for the republic.  I trust NOTHING anyone part of this nightmarish, treasonous party are up to.  Nothing.

322 Speaking as a Hispanic male, I'm sick to death of all this talk about what and whom "Hispanics" support, esp. since the knee-jerk assumption is that it's generally Obama and Democrat policies.  Now, I realize that it's true that certain demographics tend to vote as blocs, but it's worth considering that highlighting deviations from that trend (e.g., Obama's dropping support "among Hispanics") qua "deviations" tends to reinforce the bloc as the dominant assumption and thereby increase pressure on the "deviants" to conform to the alleged racial norm.

In other words, using language such as asking whether "Hispanics will be happy" with Obama's policies is already conceding part of the Leftist racialist worldview.  It's not useful, even as shorthand.

323

Ok, so my state can require me to carry my drivers license and proof of insurance in my car, all manner of local companies/entities can require me to prove I am who I say I am by producing this drivers license and this is not an undue "burden" of any sort on me.

But If I'm a resident alien, somehow keeping documentation on me to prove that is an undue burden?  Seriously?  Honestly, I really wonder how these people can say nonsense like this with a straight face.  Your a judge for God's sake - you should know better than this!

But as usual we have yet another nonsensical double standard all so some libertard can legislate "social justice" from the bench.  What a load of crap. 

324 Did the Feds get to the judge?

Was this the less damaging career move for a judge with one eye on a possible Federal appointment, knowing this one's going all the way to the Supremes no matter what?

The longer this stays in the courts, the longer Obama and his minions keep waving this red flag in front of the enraged voters, the more it'll hurt them in November.

325 Rumor has it that Jan Brewer's response to this was something on the order of "we have not yet begun to fight"....but, as I said, that's only rumor, wish I knew what she really said.

326 Funny, i never check the site during the day except sometimes lunch or early morning.

You daytime morons are awful angry.

pins and needles, needles and pins. a happy man is a man that grins.

327 I remember when the law was passed, and the pundits were assuring us that the Arizona Legislature had taken pains to make sure that the language of 1070 was airtight enough to withstand any legal challenge.

Even as they were saying that I laughed and said, "uh-uh".  Today's ruling should not be a surprise to anyone.

When there is no law, the law is only as good as a leftist judge with a lifetime appointment says it is.

328 Sorry, but I seriously think that all men named dagny should submit to an IQ test before they vote....or breed.

I daresay, I believe dagny has teh boobage.

329 Bolton received a BA from the University of Iowa in 1973 and a JD from the University of Iowa Law school in 1975.

Ah, Iowa City Community College.

You go there because math is too hard for you.  Which is also why you go to law school.

Hell, at least in France, the overlords are actually the smartest people in the room, not people who got a degree in bullshit.

330 308 Didn't notice me, did you.  You were way too worried about oil and racism.  What else did you miss?

Mark Levin seemed very concerned about this development last night, very concerned.

Posted by: curious at July 28, 2010 02:58 PM (p302b)

Someone mentioned seccession earlier.  Attempting to do away with the electoral college will guarantee that succession occurs, imo.

Less polulated states will be left with no voice, essentially no vote, in elections.

Why would they stay?  They would eventually be made to pay unfairly for things that would benefit the more populus states.  That type of scenario already exists in some states that have seriously considered dividing into separate states.

331

@Posted by: Jeremiad Bullfrog at July 28, 2010 03:06 PM (Y5I9o)

I'm sorry, we don't understand you.

332

I have a question.   Can't Arizona now change the wording of the law?   It looks like what the judge ruled on is based on the actual wording and it looks like she specifically says what the wording should have been for her to let the law go forward as legislated.    Either way, this winds up at the SC, unless the ninth circuit steps in and overturns Bolton's ruling.   If it does wind up at the SC, it's a 5-4 ruling.

 

 

^{*on my knees*}

^{Please God, help us get out of the mess the libs have perpetuated on us.    Amen}

 

333 When, when, WHEN is the ...pudding, etc. (DiT) Posted by: God Damn It

If you can't win an election, you aren't going to win any revolution.

Lynch? Really, I think you forgot the "I am a concerned conservative Christian­™ tag."

334 You daytime morons are awful angry. THE FUCK WE ARE!!!! (What?)

335 Just a case in point about how such racial talk can skew perspectives and hide a far more complex demographic picture:

I keep hearing media reports about how Obama is losing the support of "white males".  Ok, that may be true in the numbers, but consider that against the fact that the Journolist, esp. some of its most vocal members, was largely white and male.

336 #340  Speaking of knees, mine sure are stiff and sore today, in spite of the kneepads I wore with President Obama. 

337 You go there because math is too hard for you.  Which is also why you go to law school.

Hell, at least in France, the overlords are actually the smartest people in the room, not people who got a degree in bullshit.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 28, 2010 03:08 PM (T0NGe)

This whole 'only math gods matter' schtick is getting tedious.  We can't all be actuaries.

338 P.S.

I'm quite sure that my local constabulary probably hosts it fair share of absolute dickbags but I think (have thought) that LEO's in AZ have had to eat way more than their fair ration of shit over this bill and it's discussion.

Since this whole brouhaha got ginned up, I've not quite known what sort of attitude I should strike with the local coppers when I encounter them casually.

"Are you some sort of reflexively racist bastard or a complete dumbass with no fucking social skills?"

Thus far, I have done my best to keep my eyes down and respect the uniform, though I have noted that some of these chaps and chicks look more like they would make for a "trusted accountant", way more than shock troops for the next race war.

But, that's just me.

339 Who controlled the Senate in 2000?

Hi!!!

340

You go there because math is too hard for you.  Which is also why you go to law school.

In my most polite way of saying this, STFU with this crap alrelady, dude.

There's a way to air your dislike (putting that mildly) of the legal profession without equating all lawyers  as functional retards.

In other words, your schtick? Yeah, it's old.

341 Let's not forget, this was just an injunction against enforcement, not a final ruling on the law. I don't know that AZ might be able to appeal the injunction fairly quickly and have it vacated.

342 Someone mentioned seccession earlier.  Attempting to do away with the electoral college will guarantee that succession occurs, imo.

Let me explain this carefully: Massachusetts can apportion its EVs by a random coin flip as long as they don't collude with other states.

This is nothing.  All it means is that if a Republican wins the nationwide popular vote, the state of Massachusetts will try to pass a law immediately afterwards to change their apportionment system back to the way it was, a/la voting for Senator, rather than give the GOP the landslide.

Call me if Florida or Ohio or Missouri try this.  Massachusetts can have their electoral votes.

343 C'mon wingers, unless your a native american or descendent of slavery, were all immigrants in America.

344 Holy crap, Tami, get out of my head!!!!!!!

345 unless the ninth circuit steps in and overturns Bolton's ruling.

Heh.  Haha!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

346 325 "U.S. Navy Investigating Report of Persian Gulf Tanker Attack"

Posted by: curious at July 28, 2010 03:03 PM (p302b)

Uh oh.  Stand by for STERN CONDEMNATION from the Obama Administration.  Hillary will be able once more to demonstrate her bitchiness skills.

347 LOL, Fox printed the AP version of the story and added some to it regarding Sheriff Joe who intends to enforce it anyway.

The hardest-line approach was expected in the Phoenix area, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio plans his 17th crime and immigration sweep. He planned to hold the sweep regardless of the ruling.

Arpaio, known for his tough stance against illegal immigration, plans to send out about 200 deputies and volunteers who will be looking for traffic violators, people wanted on criminal warrants and others. He has used that tactic before to arrest dozens of people, many of them illegal immigrants.

"We don't wait. We just do it," he said. "If there's a new law out, we're going to enforce it."

348 Holy crap, Tami, get out of my head!!!!!!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 28, 2010 03:13 PM (pLTLS)

It scared me too!

349 "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress has no power to disarm the militia. The swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword in not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, 1788

350 Call me if Florida or Ohio or Missouri try this.

They already are.  Similar bills are currently pending in the Florida and Missouri legislatures, along with those of about ten other states.  National Popular Vote laws a la Massachusetts have already passed in Washington, Illinois, Hawaii, Maryland and New Jersey.

351 340I have a question.   Can't Arizona now change the wording of the law?   It looks like what the judge ruled on is based on the actual wording and it looks like she specifically says what the wording should have been for her to let the law go forward as legislated.

Even if rewording the law invalidates this particular injunction (and I'm not so sure it will), there will just be another injunction issued based off something else.  It will never end.  Remember Bolton made this decision not on Constitutional grounds, but because letting AZ law stand as is might "overwhelm the system".

For the libs, it's always "Heads I win, tales you lose".

352 Just to add to the "fun" we're having: Fox News is reporting that fuckweasel Julian Assange, in a conversation with Judge Andrew Napolitano, claims to have sent all his purloined intelligence files to the White House weeks ago and asked them to let him know if any were truly too secret to reveal. He claims he told them he would withhold any overly sensitive material.

According to Assange, he received no reply.

Not defending the smarmy little shit. Just sayin' there are some people who should be put on trial with him, perhaps including a certain Traitor-in-Chief and his Head Shyster.

353 353 unless the ninth circuit steps in and overturns Bolton's ruling.

Heh.  Haha!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

lol, I almost destroyed my laptop with Pepsi Max when I read that too. 

There's a reason why Rush referred to the Ninth Circuit as the "Ninth Circus". 

354 You have no rights.

355

There's a way to air your dislike (putting that mildly) of the legal profession without equating all lawyers  as functional retards.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 28, 2010 03:12 PM (pLTLS)

But the fact is that the infestation of functional retards in the legal profession is a good part of what killed this nation.  Yes, "killed".  It was the functional retards in the courts who determined the scientific "fact" that global warming was true and that CO2 was causing it.  You really don't need much more than that to have a healthy dislike of lawyers and judges, though there are thousands of other rulings (and laws fashioned by lawyers) that are just as bad, if not worse.

If you want to see some real mathematical snobbery (which I happen to fully support) check out Hardy's "A Mathematician's Apology".

356

I told you to watch out for the men in black! Didn't you read my book??

Ya big DUMMIES!!

 

357 308

I immediately sent that to Ace, Insty, and a few other blogs I read this morning when I saw it off Hot Air.

Allah (or Ed, I forget which one posted it) didn't think it was a big deal the citizens of MA were going to be disenfranchised. They're losing it over there.

Crossing the Rubicon.

358 360  Sweet Jesus.  Are you kidding?!  My kid is serving under this POS CiC, and he'd sit on crap that could get our troops, and the Afghans who help them, killed?

I honestly feel like I'm going to have a heart attack.

359

Oh, and just FYI, in case word hasn't gotten around yet, the Fremont City council, in Fremont, NE just voted to suspend their own new immigration law that was put into place by voters, citing the cost of legal challenges and their effect on the city budget as a reason for overiding the will of the voters on this issue.

So Fremont's new law, that would make it illegal for employers to hire illegals or for landlords to rent to them, has been shelved, possibly indefinately.

Yup, red letter day for the moonbats out there I guess. 

360 356 Holy crap, Tami, get out of my head!!!!!!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 28, 2010 03:13 PM (pLTLS)

It scared me too!

Posted by: Tami at July 28, 2010 03:15 PM (VuLos)

Will you two get a room, for crying out loud? 

On second thought...

 

361 O/T but interesting:  Surfing other things I found this quite by accident.  To be honest, it all looks a little familiar, and may explain a lot about our Chicago Chicken***t Junta now...

362 I don't think it's the complete loss that some of us are making out to be. The actual enforcement is still ambiguous enough that many illegals are going to move in order to avoid the chance of getting caught.

Suppose some judge stayed part of a state law that required motorists to carry proof of insurance? Would anyone decide not carry proof because of a partial stay?

Furthermore I've seen it noted elsewhere that the Federal law requires the Fed to respond to requests for transfer of illegals. If ICE is being directed to ignore AZ's requests on a consistent basis, that seems like there's enough room for AZ to sue ICE.

363

330 Speaking as a Hispanic male, I'm sick to death of all this talk about what and whom "Hispanics" support, esp. since the knee-jerk assumption is that it's generally Obama and Democrat policies.  Now, I realize that it's true that certain demographics tend to vote as blocs, but it's worth considering that highlighting deviations from that trend (e.g., Obama's dropping support "among Hispanics") qua "deviations" tends to reinforce the bloc as the dominant assumption and thereby increase pressure on the "deviants" to conform to the alleged racial norm.

In other words, using language such as asking whether "Hispanics will be happy" with Obama's policies is already conceding part of the Leftist racialist worldview.  It's not useful, even as shorthand.

Cala Boca dude - that's Shut-Up in Portuguese.   Did I offend?  You are a hypocrite.   

Um . . . "Speaking as a Hispanic Male" blah, blah, blah, I am appalled people refer to Hispanics as blah, blah, blah. 

Try speaking as an American or an illegal resident of America. Whatever your status.

364 360 Just to add to the "fun" we're having: Fox News is reporting that fuckweasel Julian Assange, in a conversation with Judge Andrew Napolitano, claims to have sent all his purloined intelligence files to the White House weeks ago and asked them to let him know if any were truly too secret to reveal. He claims he told them he would withhold any overly sensitive material. According to Assange, he received no reply. Well, the White House receives gazillions of letters. Even assuming that they picked out his, isn't this just another way of saying "I don't have time to sift through all this, could you just point out the stuff that's really important?" Assange was asking them to do his homework for him.

365 ...and let Hastur take the sock!

366 Brewer's response--

I am disappointed by Judge Susan Bolton’s ruling enjoining several provisions of “The Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act” -- SB 1070; though I am heartened by some findings – including the ban on sanctuary cities.

This fight is far from over. In fact, it is just the beginning, and at the end of what is certain to be a long legal struggle, Arizona will prevail in its right to protect our citizens. I am deeply grateful for the overwhelmingly support we have received from across our nation in our efforts to defend against the failures of the federal government.

I have consulted with my legal counsel about our next steps. We will take a close look at every single element Judge Bolton removed from the law, and we will soon file an expedited appeal at the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.

For anyone willing to see it -- the crisis is as clear as is the federal governmentÂ’s failure to address it.

The judge herself noted that the stash houses where smugglers hide immigrants from Mexico before bringing them into the country's interior have become a fixture on the news in Arizona and that, ‘You can barely go a day without a location being found in Phoenix where there are numerous people being harbored.’”

When I signed the bill on April 23rd, I said, SB 1070 – represents another tool for our state to use as we work to address a crisis we did not create and the federal government has actively refused to fix. The law protects all of us, every Arizona citizen and everyone here in our state lawfully. And, it does so while ensuring that the constitutional rights of ALL in Arizona are undiminished – holding fast to the diversity that has made Arizona so great.

I will battle all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary, for the right to protect the citizens of Arizona. Meanwhile, I also know we still have work to do in confronting the fear-mongers, those dealing in hate and lies and economic boycotts that seek to do Arizona harm.

We have already made some progress in waking up Washington. But the question still remains: will Washington do its job, and put an end to the daily operations of smugglers in our nation, or will the delays and sidesteps continue? I believe that the defenders of the rule of law will ultimately succeed with us in our demand for action.

(she really needs to take her tired and sad vag back to the kitchen, though, right?)

367 Yes, "killed".  It was the functional retards in the courts who determined the scientific "fact" that global warming was true and that CO2 was causing it.

Not true; that is a myth propagated by the MFM. The court ruled that the EPA could not refuse to classify CO2 as a pollutant without evidence to show that it wasn't a pollutant.

Agree that this is just as screwed up but it isn't the same thing. The Bush admin fought the lawsuit in a stupid and half-ass manner because they supported crap and tax as well.

Having that ruling allowed them to blame it on the courts. Now the EPA is ruling that it is a pollutant based on evidence from those "foreign scientists" that has been proven to be fraudulent. 

368

204 Is it illegal for Arizona to enforce the federal injunction against Arizona enforcing federal law?

-----------

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

 

369 i don't see why we in AZ have to abide by unjust rulings made by justices who say that racial profiling might happen when the law hasn't even gone into effect yet.

i say, blow through her ruling, and just do it anyways. what's she going to do? throw the governor in jail?

370 I think this entire thread can be summed up by Kratos in 8 words.  Anything else is unnecessary.

371 Allah (or Ed, I forget which one posted it) didn't think it was a big deal the citizens of MA were going to be disenfranchised. They're losing it over there.

Crossing the Rubicon.

Posted by: Gaff at July 28, 2010 03:20 PM (jDWYv)

Indeed.  The Constitution addresses this specific issue in the 14th Amendment (part 2):

But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Since the Mass citizens have had their votes effectively reduced to insignificant in choosing the state's electors, their votes (for the electors) have been taken away from them and the Constitution says that Massachusetts' representation needs to be reduced by that proportion - to 0.

But ... this is just law and the American Socialist Superstate doesn't care about law - especially not anything to be found in the Constitution.

372 National Popular Vote laws a la Massachusetts have already passed in Washington, Illinois, Hawaii, Maryland and New Jersey.

And by the way, that currently covers 61 electoral votes.  Once the MA bill is signed into law that number becomes 73.

The National Popular Vote laws being passed basically constitute an interstate compact.  The language of each dictates that once NPV has become law in enough states to comprise a majority of total Electoral College votes (270), the law will come into effect and each state will throw its electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, no matter how its citizens cast their ballots.  And the NPV movement just got 12 EVs closer to that goal.

Once there, it will become a court fight over the constitutionality of NPV.  And really, especially on this day, how many of you are optimistic on the outcome of THAT?

373

Speech. SPEECH. Not SPEACH!!!!@!!!!!!!

 

grrrrr.......

374

355 LOL, Fox printed the AP version of the story and added some to it regarding Sheriff Joe who intends to enforce it anyway.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has some of those balls that are missing on a lot of menfolk.

375 Gimme one wid not no relish

376 Not true; that is a myth propagated by the MFM. The court ruled that the EPA could not refuse to classify CO2 as a pollutant without evidence to show that it wasn't a pollutant.

Agree that this is just as screwed up but it isn't the same thing.

Posted by: Vic at July 28, 2010 03:23 PM (/jbAw)

I stand corrected.  Thanks, Vic.

377 There was a precise reason we made the states Sovereign...

Yours have become a complacent and pacified people.

IT shouldn't be long now...

378 Those states all vote blue anyway. I'm sure they'll be happy that they gave their EVs to whatever Republican that wins next time.

379 The good news is 9th circuit gets overturned like clockwork.

380

Yeah, I'll abide by your injunction....

    But first, you will blow me. 

381 Day time posters angry?

I tell you what as bad as my ass feels, I get to be angry, got that bitch?

Don't be coming around here, unlike Ace, before 4:00 and posting shit like that.

382 #363 But the fact is that the infestation of functional retards in the legal profession is a good part of what killed this nation.  Yes, "killed".  It was the functional retards in the courts who determined the scientific "fact" that global warming was true and that CO2 was causing it.  You really don't need much more than that to have a healthy dislike of lawyers and judges, though there are thousands of other rulings (and laws fashioned by lawyers) that are just as bad, if not worse.

This "infestation of functional retards" (good phrase - I'm stealing it, if you don't mind   ) isn't limited to just the legal profession.  The courts couldn't have deemed global warming caused by human-emitted CO2 as a "fact" if there weren't any scientists perpetuating that belief for their own greed or misguided environmentalism. 

383

Not defending the smarmy little shit. Just sayin' there are some people who should be put on trial with him, perhaps including a certain Traitor-in-Chief and his Head Shyster.

Ok, well, not that I have any love for Barky, but I don't think this one can be laid at his doorstep.  Picture this, Whitehouse gets huge manilla envelope or a monster email with a ton of attachments from some unknown scrunt.

Odds the President ever see's this material before some staffer shit-can's it as a joke or as yet another nutjob that tries to contact the President with stupid, inconsequential shit every 10 seconds?  Well the odds are virtually nil.

So, for the record, yes I think Barky and his administration are without a doubt the worst thing that every happened to our country.  They are the most incompetent and corrupt administration in the entire recorded history of our nation, by a long shot.  No one else even comes close.  But I have to say that I find it highly doubtful that Barky ever saw any of this stuff, indeed I can almost gaurantee no matter what form it was sent in it got round filed almost immediately.

 

384 387 The good news is 9th circuit gets overturned like clockwork. And if SCOTUS gets packed by the time it gets their? I'm hoping and praying Justice Kennedy is up for a bit of payback before he retires.

385

unless the ninth circuit steps in and overturns Bolton's ruling.

Heh.  Haha!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 03:13 PM (hgh1H)

I know, stupid.   But, they've done it before regarding immigration laws passed by Arizona.    Bolton screwed the pooch on this, I think.

"The San Francisco-based appeals court backed up a U.S. District Court ruling that said federal immigration laws allow states to take action against the business licenses of employers caught hiring illegals."

http://tiny.cc/kaue4

 

 

386 308  Oh, I noticed and commented on that a couple days back -- a buddy from the horse show world pointed it out to me.  And no, nobody's talking about it at all -- although it is very relevant, isn't it?

387 I honestly feel like I'm going to have a heart attack.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 28, 2010 03:20 PM

Take care of yourself, Jane. I don't have anything like the stake you and your son have in this, and I don't know whether to keel over or cry.

We can only hope the Traitor-in-Chief and the co-conspirators in his regime face a day of reckoning before their hatred of America destroys all we hold dear.

In the meantime, I'm with many, many others who pray for you, your son, all members of the military and our beloved country.

388 Odds the President ever see's this material before some staffer shit-can's it as a joke or as yet another nutjob that tries to contact the President with stupid, inconsequential shit every 10 seconds?  Well the odds are virtually nil.

Would the other side ever courteously extend the benefit of doubt in this way?

They never did during the eight years of the Bush administration.

Whatever is bad for Obama is good for America.

389 -->This "infestation of functional retards" (good phrase - I'm stealing it, if you don't mind   )

Not at all.  I had just stolen the "functional retards" part from lacey.

-->isn't limited to just the legal profession.  The courts couldn't have deemed global warming caused by human-emitted CO2 as a "fact" if there weren't any scientists perpetuating that belief for their own greed or misguided environmentalism. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 28, 2010 03:30 PM (9hSKh)

Yep.  Sadly true (including Vic's correction of the ruling).  There are lots of emotional wrecks in the sciences (and even in the Queen of the Sciences - math), which is what seems to be the cause behind most of their idiocy.  Sec Chu is a good example.  And lots of scientists yearn to be "accepted" and cool, not even to mention the huge money behind these junk-science pursuits.  Shame.

390 With regard to those States like MA which are trying to screw up the electoral college system they are cutting their own throat. That being said, it will last about as long as someone challenges it and then it will be ruled unconstitutional, dependent on Kennedy.

There is a reason that the system was chosen, and it wasn't all due to the "don't want a popular vote" thingy.

One of the other reasons for using the system was that it did give more of a voice to the small States. It was another one of those compromises between the big state/small state debate.

Originally also, it was intended that the electors would be appointed by the State legislatures in the same manner that Senators were appointed.

The progressives have gradually undone all of that and now they are trying to change the Constitution without changing it. One wonders why they didn't go their normal route and engineer a strawman case to get it in the court system so the 4 liberals can use foreign law and we will be at the mercy of Kennedy. 
 

391 whats up amigos???   you didnt see this coming?

392

The National Popular Vote laws being passed basically constitute an interstate compact. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 28, 2010 03:26 PM (hgh1H)

When you think about it, this issue - those who are for vs. those against NPV - pretty much describes the differences today against the right and the left in this country.

Those for NPV support everyone paying to benefit the few.  Those against support everyone paying their own way to the best of their ability.

Or...

I could be full of shit.

393

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 28, 2010 03:25 PM (Qp4DT)

Hmmmm... could not that also be read to mean they loose their Representation in the House of Representatives?

After all, thats how the Electoral College is partly decided... now sure what the framers of the 14th meant...

394

"The San Francisco-based appeals court backed up a U.S. District Court ruling that said federal immigration laws allow states to take action against the business licenses of employers caught hiring illegals."

Yeah, but that's because it punishes eeeeeeeeevil corporations. That's the only time they'll even consider hearing an immigration case. To either punish the corporation or to ensure that illegals aren't getting their fair share of their unlawful pie.

 

395

I put it at 80%. I didn't say all. If you think that most of the women you know could pass a civics test or do their own taxes then you're running with an exceptional crowd. Look at the party affilations by gender: Women in every age group are more Democratic than Republican, with the largest gaps occurring among those age 60 and older. But Democrats also have a big advantage among young women (ages 18-24) and Baby Boomers. Among men, Republicans outnumber Democrats even among the Boomers, and indeed among every age group except those age 70-74.

When 20 women in their 30s and 40s, all professionals and all in the middle or upper middle class do not know who the chief justice of the supreme court is, I think they are uninformed.

Call me names all you want. I could give a shit. Most women know more about Bradjalina than Cap and Trade.

 

396 #371: Obviously has no concept of what hypocrisy is and needs remedial reading comprehension education.

The point I'm making is that uncritically saying "Hispanics favor X"  or "Whites support Y", etc., reinforces the notion that people think as racial units rather than as individuals.  That reinforcement contributes to stock media portraits and social pressure to be "authentic" and to conform to expected notions of what "Hispanics" or "Whites" believe....

...and guess who has a total lock-down on those narratives.

These kinds of racial expectations hinder the concept of the American regardless of race, and instead they prop up ethnic solidarity even to the point of ignoring sovereign laws. 

397

395 I honestly feel like I'm going to have a heart attack.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 28, 2010 03:20 PM

Jane. Hang in there.

398 Posted by: Steph at July 28, 2010 03:31 PM (580hG)

That was the case I was referring to earlier in response to Herr when I said I didn't think she would issue the ruling because to get an injunction there has to be strong evidence that the one asking will win the case.

Since th 9th has already ruled on a similar case they should not have a strong case for a win.

Of course that means nothing to a liberal Clinton judge.

399 334 Funny, i never check the site during the day except sometimes lunch or early morning.

You daytime morons are awful angry.

pins and needles, needles and pins. a happy man is a man that grins.

Posted by: nine coconuts at July 28, 2010 03:07 PM (DHNp4) dd 

I am angry as shit, my second Chakra is full of fluid and needs relief? 

Can you help a fellow out?

400 If we are going to start talking about who is "killing the country" there are other groups besides lawyers who deserve some credit:
- academia
- media
- entertainment industry
- lefty special interest groups (who seem to have an inordinate amount of influence).

In fact a high percentage of lawyers, even in liberal NY, are conservative.

401 Ah yes, the age of rigged plebiscites is upon us!

402 With regard to those States like MA which are trying to screw up the electoral college system they are cutting their own throat. That being said, it will last about as long as someone challenges it and then it will be ruled unconstitutional, dependent on Kennedy.

Posted by: Vic at July 28, 2010 03:35 PM (/jbAw)

After having seen the raping of the citizenry and the rule of law that took place in the battle to have the Constitutional prescriptions for Presidential eligibility heard in court, I would be amazed to hear that anyone would be granted standing to fight these laws.  We had states with clearly ineligible people on the ballots (Roger Calero isn't even an American citizen and he was on the Presidential ballot in states that had eligibility lawsuits) yet the courts ruled that having ineligible people on the ballot is not harm to any voter. We can also thank the squishes on the right for supporting this idiocy. 

I believe the writer of this very thread is one who doesn't think that any voter has standing to challenge any of this crap.

403 Posted by: Jeremiad Bullfrog at July 28, 2010 03:38 PM (Y5I9o)
I just sent your post to my black conservative friend who literally feels like he is invisible.  Good education, good job, fourth generation, nice house, nice soon to be wife....yet, since he is not a lockstep follower of the prez cause the prez is "the first black president, he is totally invisible.

404 Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 28, 2010 03:30 PM

Nice little excuse there, SoS.

Do you suppose even the clueless fuckups at the White House don't know what Wikileaks is or who Assange is?

You gotta be shittin' me, dude.

This story has been percolating for quite a while, well before the documents were revealed.

Even if the White House mailbag is glutted with tearful requests for money from Obama's stash, invitations for Osama Obama to come play 18 holes at some country club and demands for reparations based on heart-rending stories about how some long-dead ancestor was deprived of rights, anyone who can fog a mirror should have gone into full Red Alert mode when these appeared.

Nope. I'm not buyin' it. This is yet another of hundreds of indicators as to the true agenda of the current regime. It forms a pattern of traitorous and felonious behavior.

405 386 Luca Brasi: "...There animals anyway. Let them lose their souls."

406 Was there any ruling on the part of the law which requires Immigrant women to wear PANTIES and gives law enforcement the power to check for  PANTIES?

Panties.

407

Sorry, but I seriously agree about the women. 80% at least are too uninformed to vote.

If you want informed  voters, require a damn civics tests. Let's see how well men (and even white men) do. There's no reason to think problem is just limited to women.

 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 28, 2010 02:50 PM (pLTLS)

Exactly right!  It is, however, limited to dumbasses.

408

Next step?

The 9th Circus Court of Appeals.

Any guesses what that ruling will be?

 

Until this gets before the Supremes, and it will, there will be no satisfactory ajudication of the underlying issues.

It will take years for this to get to the SC and in the meantime, our border will be unchecked, our immigration laws won't be enforced, and the liars will continue to cast anyone opposed to both as racists.

Yuck.

409

404 #371: Obviously has no concept of what hypocrisy is and needs remedial reading comprehension education.

The point I'm making is that uncritically saying "Hispanics favor X"  or "Whites support Y", etc., reinforces the notion that people think as racial units rather than as individuals.  That reinforcement contributes to stock media portraits and social pressure to be "authentic" and to conform to expected notions of what "Hispanics" or "Whites" believe....

...and guess who has a total lock-down on those narratives.

These kinds of racial expectations hinder the concept of the American regardless of race, and instead they prop up ethnic solidarity even to the point of ignoring sovereign laws. 
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Then why set up the qualifier that you are "speaking as a hispanic male."  This sort of thing perpetuates the stereotypical references you denounce.  It's like an allegory of irony embedded in hypocrisy.  That's how I see it. 

410 Why the fuck am I having so much trouble distinguishing between there, their and they're?! I a fucking writer by trade, dammit!

411 I think the Supremes will take this up if they get a chance.

412 If you'd like to get into the legal weeds

Did someone say something about legal weed?

413 Well at least it's not rape rape. 

414 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote.

415

Pardon my painting with a narrow brush here, but my bet is that the proportion of ignoramuses in this country, male to female, would be pretty close to 50/50.

That judgement is based on having been around for a pretty long time and having known a lot of each.

Granted, not climate science, but...

416

Most women men know more about Bradjalina Fantasy [Insert Sport Here] than Cap and Trade.

/fixed because it certainly goes both ways

Ignorance knows no gender.

417 - media
- entertainment industry

Aren't those one and the same?

418

Speaking as a Hispanic male,

As long as your not speaking as a wise latina woman (shudder). 

 

419 How this going to help me sell my action figures?

420

"Then why set up the qualifier that you are "speaking as a hispanic male."  This sort of thing perpetuates the stereotypical references you denounce.  It's like an allegory of irony embedded in hypocrisy.  That's how I see it. 

Posted by: Journolist at July 28, 2010 03:44 PM (8EEyy)"

The point is still good though.  The melting pot is what makes America great.  We are not a nation divided by race, class or ethnicity.  We have thrived on equal opportunity for all.  

This is why when the liberal teachers came up with the quilt analogy my grand ma nearly had a coronary.....now I know why more and more....

421 386 Those states all vote blue anyway. I'm sure they'll be happy that they gave their EVs to whatever Republican that wins next time.

Okay, let's talk just blue states then.  How about California?  Its legislature DID pass an NPV law, only to have it vetoed by Schwarzenegger.  If Jerry Brown becomes governor (which I think is likely) is there any doubt he'll sign NPV if it is passed again and sent to his desk?

NPV has then immediately arrived at 128 electoral votes.  Or, nearly half of what it needs.

New York has already PASSED NPV in one chamber and it is currently pending.  Is there much doubt that, with an overwhelmingly Democrat Assembly and a Senate that recently tipped to the Dems, it will eventually get such a law through and have it signed by either Paterson or slam-dunk-next-Governor Andrew Cuomo?

NPV then has 159 electoral votes.

Florida, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Maine all have NPV bills pending in their legislatures.  All went blue in the last election.  All currently have or have recently had Dem or RINO squish governors.  If NPV were to pass in all of these states it would then stand at 207 electoral votes.

And those are just states that are or have recently been blue.  There are many "red" states with Democrat legislative majorities and/or Democrat governors.  Of those, NPV is currently pending in Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi and Georgia.  If it were to succeed in all of these states, NPV would stand at 246 electoral votes.  From there it would take only another state or two for the movement to reach its goal of 270.

Now, make no mistake. NPV still has a long row to hoe.  But Massachusetts' passage seems to have come as a shock to a lot of people, meaning this attempt to effectively destory the Electoral College has been able to get to 73 electoral votes without anyone even hearing about it.

422

@8: "Yahoo's front page has a lovely picture to accompany the story. It's the idiot protesters against the law holding signs that say, The Workers' Struggle Knows No Borders. With a picture of...you guessed it...Che on the sign"

To be fair, Che was a pretty equal-opportunity killer.  He didn't really seem to give a rat's ass where his victims were from.

423

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 28, 2010 03:37 PM (pLTLS)

yeah, but if federal law allows states to enforce one part of federal immigration law doesn't it allow them to enforce all of them?   I mean, that's pretty much all SB 1070 does, isn't it?    I think the only difference is that it makes being illegal in AZ a trepassing charge.

I think Bolton eventually gets overturned and the law is allowed to stand on that basis.    How do you pick and choose which federal immigration laws you are or aren't allowed to enforce?

 

424 Those little "tar heel" girls will love Key West. 

Maybe they'll learn about mommy and mommy? 

425 If we are going to start talking about who is "killing the country" there are other groups besides lawyers who deserve some credit:
- academia
- media
- entertainment industry
- lefty special interest groups (who seem to have an inordinate amount of influence).

In fact a high percentage of lawyers, even in liberal NY, are conservative.
Posted by: real joe at July 28, 2010 03:40 PM

Out comes my snake analogy once again.

When you cut off the head of the snake, the body is rendered ineffective.

Members of academia, the media and the others you mention are inherently too addicted to pointless discussion and pointless protests to pose a danger on their own.

Take away their Action Heroes, and they'll slink back to their little furnished room and whimper.

I can live with that.

426

goodbye, 293.

We hardly knew ye.

427 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote.

Agreed 100%.

428 its like this.......... we have a bunch of Gypsies in the Palace @ 1600........... they are going to run amuck and theres not much we can do about it right now......

429 Repeal the 19th amendment! 

430 To be fair, Che was a pretty equal-opportunity killer.  He didn't really seem to give a rat's ass where his victims were from.

Actually Che was about as racist as they come. He considered anyone who wasn't 100% Castillion Spanish to be less than dirt.

431 435 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote.

Agreed 100%.

Da huh!

432 When the case is the federal government against the state of AZ, look for the Supremes to move pretty quickly. Remember Bush v Gore.

433 It will take years for this to get to the SC and in the meantime, our border will be unchecked,

And once a big, warm blanket of amnesty & "comprehensive immigration reform" is granted by our Asshole in Chief, I guess the point will be moot long before it gets to SCOTUS.

434 435 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote.

Uncle Mike, is that you from beyond the grave?

435 Why the fuck am I having so much trouble distinguishing between there, their and they're?!

I a fucking writer by trade, dammit! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2010 03:44 PM

You spend too much time reading stuff on the interwebz, bro.

Even "respectable" sources among the so-called New Media tend to be functionally illiterate. Since most of them aren't paid to be there -- or get starvation alms from the Content Sweatshops that churn out "free" articles -- they have no incentive to pay attention to trivial shit like grammar, word usage, spelling or punctuation.

436 SPOON!!!

437

Here, there are regular DUI roadblocks where the police stop cars at random, put their heads in the car, question the occupants about where they were, where they are going, if they had anything to drink. You are asked to show your license, proof of insurance and vehicle registration. This process was challenged in court  but was upheld with the ruling essentially conceding that this procedure was borderline unconstitutional, but that it served the greater good of getting drunks off the roads.

At any routine traffic stop you need to show your license, insurance and registration. If you don't have any of these, adios amigo.

Failure to wear a seat belt is now a primary violation of the law for which a policeman can stop you without ay other reason.

As of January 1, talking on a handheld cell phone will also be a primary violation.

You literally cannot drive for more than an hour on the interstate here without going through a radar trap.

Each year adds red light cameras at more and more intersections.

My birthday is coming up and I need to renew my driver's license. I am told the average wait to do so is well over three hours because the new licenses must be "federally compliant" for identification purposes.

Maybe the above are "good" regulations and developments, maybe they aren't. That's not the point. The point is that normal citizens going about their business are subject to ever growing encroachments and intrusions upon their rights under the guise of what is for the greater good of society, and we are routinely expected to happily comply. But at the same time  we are bending over backwards, like one of those acrobats with their hands on the floor behind their heads, to make absolutely certain that illegal immigrants are not offended or inconvenienced in any way whatsoever by our system.

438 Hey, I think I'll go over to "the list" were we conservatives plot shit. 

H2 I'll over in a while, nap first!

439 And once a big, warm blanket of amnesty & "comprehensive immigration reform" is granted by our Asshole in Chief, I guess the point will be moot long before it gets to SCOTUS. _____________________________________ Not so sure. The case may move quickly because the left and right views it as good politics for their base. In the long run its bad for the left, but they need short term voter turn out. Plus the left won't understand that the SC will likely end 5-4.

440

>> Why the fuck am I having so much trouble distinguishing between there, their and they're?!

Theirs two schools of thought on that.

441 So, is my Drivers License an undue burden? It is pretty heaving and makes me sit crooked on my wallet and hurt my back!!

442 443 Why the fuck am I having so much trouble distinguishing between there, their and they're?!

I am guessing early afternoon buzz! God bless your bad selfs.

443

@17: "how long it will take until this nation splits and a nation that respects the Founders' Constitutional structure, private property rights, and the American creed is born"

Never.  Those ideas are as dead as vaudeville.  You could probably fit everyone who is actually willing to fight and die for such a system in a smallish stadium.

444 We don't need no stinkin badges, or greencards, or visas.

445 418 I a fucking writer by trade, dammit!

Yeah, I think I see the problem right there, chief...

446

goodbye, 293.

We hardly knew ye.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 28, 2010 03:49 PM (WvXvd)

I am greatly disappointed you inserted nothing about a goat.

447 I took the afternoon off, leave me be!

448 #417: I speak as a Hispanic male because that's what I am, and my point in saying so was to underscore the fact that I do not support Obama or hold the political opinions that Hispanics "should"/are expected to hold according to polls.  I'm sorry my use of irony confused you into thinking it was hypocrisy, but I'm certainly NOT trying to say that there exists something called the "hispanic worldview" nor that it ought to characterized in some specific way that only I as a Hispanic can dictate to non-hispanics.  That's silly; people are individuals.

Cf. #411: There are a lot of people in this country who are of foreign ethnicity who are extremely upset at the Left for co-opting their cultural identity and locking it into politics. 

In other words, I want an America where I can say I'm Hispanic without anyone assuming they know what my political sympathies are because of some crap poll they saw on CNN or because of what some jerky pro-illegal immigration activists on the Mexican border say.  The way I see it, the Left is behind most of this because it plays directly to collectivist thinking. But the establishment Right is also at fault because it wants to cover its ass. 

449 i hate shep but i love teh bear clips...............

450 Mr. Sefton, please keep in mind subjects must agree with they verbs.

451

There's a way to air your dislike (putting that mildly) of the legal profession without equating all lawyers  as functional retards.

If you're going to behave like a god, you had better not bleed.  Not one drop.  Most of the people in my profession are severely mentally ill, but we don't have well more than a third of the government under our thumbs.

Law school is simply not a filter to determine intellect. Almost nobody flunks out, there is no meaningful intellectual concept that cannot be grasped by 95% of the population.  In short, there is no thinking.  There's lots of reading and lots of writing, but there's no problem-solving.

452 Saratoga NY police taking manditory spanish classes to cope with race track workers. I would be racist to point out the nationality of the people being accomodated by this new policy.

453 I love how John Amnesty McCain is now going on every show saying how Arizona has the right to defend it's borders. What a two-faced doucher. .

454 Verbs is racist!

455 458: Dave in TX. Too excitable to type, what with all this oppression going on and stuff. How's by you otherwise?

456

Do you suppose even the clueless fuckups at the White House don't know what Wikileaks is or who Assange is?

Not an excuse, a reality.  Trust me, any correspondence that actually reaches the President is not going to reach him if you use the standard White House address, same with any email addressed to pretty much any published .gov address.

I also don't think you realize just how many letters, phone calls and emails the White House gets on an average day.  It's pretty staggering.  And this is not a situation unique to the Obama White house, it's been like that for years and years.

So yes, I do think that the Obama administration has demonstrated a lack of competence that should be considered criminal in almost all of their activities.  I also think that had Obama seen any of this he probably wouldn't have put a stop to it's release as long as he thought it would embarass the Bush administration, regardless of what other consequences might arise from a leak of such information.  That is pretty much how Obama and his cronies roll, I get that.

What I'm saying is that the odds that Obama actually saw this stuff or was alerted to it are slim and none and Slim has been out of town for a while now, that's just not how the system works I'm afraid. 

457 oh...and now that I think of it, I probably shouldn't say "foreign ethnicity", since there are tons of American blacks whose families have been in this country much longer than those of many whites.  And those blacks have their history and cultural identity completely coopted by the Left and race-baiting groups.

458 Here, there are regular DUI roadblocks where the police stop cars at random, put their heads in the car, question the occupants about where they were, where they are going, if they had anything to drink. You are asked to show your license, proof of insurance and vehicle registration.

That's got nothing to do with the Arizona law.  With SB1070, Bolton ruled that:
Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked

In a DUI checkpoint, your liberty is restricted and your ID checked without the indignity of being arrested, or even suspected of a crime.

Nothing alike.

459 Never.  Those ideas are as dead as vaudeville.  You could probably fit everyone who is actually willing to fight and die for such a system in a smallish stadium.

I dunno about that.  We have seen a good deal of activity at the state level that indicates pushback against the federal gov't.  More and more states are throwing their hat into the ring on keeping their ability to stay fiscally afloat.  Inklings of bucking the system, so to speak.  Especially conservative states.  Where it leads is anybody's guess.  But the pulse of this country is splitting in two. 

460 Without delving into the weeds, I'm actually just going to presume good faith on the judge's part, and thus perhaps even a judgment I would both agree with and have reached (the law having a logic, anyone can be a judge if they but know the applicable laws...)

Having said that...fight. This entire case; the entire actions of those most interested in fighting this law say strongly and clearly that only those things which increase pressures which will eventually result in the passage of amnesty will be allowed, and those acts that would decrease those pressures will be resisted by all means.

And I am against that amnesty, virulently, for the following reason: it enshrines as a principle and as a general good that the law does not have to be viewed as anything but as a momentary obstacle if a group with power wishes something the law does not allow. This is not a talking point--it is instead not quite the summa of my whole antipathy towards the "comprehensive immigration reform" enterprise, but does express a good deal of it. It is my firm belief that people who develop a taste for getting what they want by presenting folks with fait accomplis and extralegal action will naturally wish to see what else they may achieve. It makes my original vote meaningless and perhaps future votes perilous.

For if the criteria becomes not "we follow the processes of the rule of law, determined in virtuous republican form, in harmony with certain universal principles as much as possible" but changes into "the interests of my group, may they always be right, but the interests of my group, right or wrong" then the entire American experiment of self-government by the people via a liberty-laden constitution and a set of laws that actually mean what they say they do instead of what the powerful say they do; and in a sense the entire thrust of Western Civilization that says progress can be achieved by man through rational reason; and that Christian belief which says we must restrain ourselves, even when we could nevertheless have what we desire--all these will have collapsed into failure, once again. Hopefully not final and complete failure, but failure nonetheless.

So therefore, fight.

461 422 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 28, 2010 03:45 PM (WZFkG)

Screw you. I own my own home and I vote.  I know men who don't own a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.  I guess they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

462 Driving a car is a different deal, you agree to give up some of your rights for the privilidge to drive. Now on the other hand the way I read the judges ruling if you are asked by a cop for your ID when you are walking down the street you can tell him to pound sand.

463

456  Then Mr. Bullfrog, I suggest you sashay your butt up to the front lines of the people protesting to get this country back on track -- I would suggest you bring all like minded people of every persuasion with you.  Do you want Hispanics such as yourself relegated to a nameless, faceless identity group?  Or do you want to be individual citizens in a free country?

Your choice -- but you need to act on it.

Actions, not words.  We've had enough words.

**by the way, I fully believe in the concept of being American first and foremost, and that it doesn't come with a prerequiste skin color, but we're kinda all allowing it to happen now aren't we?  yeah, including you

464 462: Shirley - Verbs BE racist. Got my typing mojo back for now.

465 There are lots of emotional wrecks in the sciences (and even in the Queen of the Sciences - math), which is what seems to be the cause behind most of their idiocy.  Sec Chu is a good example.  And lots of scientists yearn to be "accepted" and cool, not even to mention the huge money behind these junk-science pursuits.  Shame.

Chu is an experimental physicist.  What's the difference between a theoretical physicist and an experimental physicist?  About 20 IQ points.

I keed, I keed.  Not by much, but still...

But scientists (other than the ones riding the gravy trains like AGW) don't even run the universities.  That's done by the wussmanities and socialist sciences.  They don't have anything better to do than administration.

The sciences themselves are even run by lawyers and bureaucrats.  Why does AGW and chemistry and some areas of physics get lavish funding and the theory that undergirds them gets nothing?  Because of who sets funding levels.

In an era where almost 60% of college students are female, we are supposed to spend our efforts, not on scientific pursuits, but on getting more women into the profession.  Yeah.

466

yeah, but if federal law allows states to enforce one part of federal immigration law doesn't it allow them to enforce all of them?   I mean, that's pretty much all SB 1070 does, isn't it?    I think the only difference is that it makes being illegal in AZ a trepassing charge.

I think Bolton eventually gets overturned and the law is allowed to stand on that basis.    How do you pick and choose which federal immigration laws you are or aren't allowed to enforce?

Posted by: Steph at July 28, 2010 03:47 PM (580hG)

I would just stress that none of this has anything to do with "immigration".  A guy who climbs over the border fence this afternoon is not an "immigrant", in any way, shape or form. Illegals are not immigrants. 

Immigration law has to do with granting or revoking citizenship, legal residency status, or deporting someone out of the US.  Arizona does nothing of the sort and does not enforce any federal laws that do anything of the sort.  All Arizona is doing is policing its own population, which every State has the responsibility to do.

I hate to hear this constantly called an "immigration law" - even though the Arizonans (even the ones who wrote the law) seem to call it that, too. It is wrong.  It's just the extension of the incorrect (and nasty) attempt to make illegals seem more like they "belong" in the US by calling them "illegal immigrants", which they are not. 

SB 1070 is nothing but a policing law for the State to ensure that it can "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our Posterity", which illegals infringe on, and which the Constitution assigned the task to the States in Art IV, Sec 2 when it declared "the Citizens of each State".

467 I don't need no white devils correcting my grammar, cracker!

468 +++468 422 Screw disenfranchising women... bring back the requirement to own property before you can vote. Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 28, 2010 03:45 PM (WZFkG) Screw you. I own my own home and I vote. I know men who don't own a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. I guess they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Posted by: SFC MAC at July 28, 2010 04:04 PM (ZGdhe)+++ YYYYEEEEESSSSS.... I stated that women should be allowed to vote. I didn't stutter. Who doesn't own property? Urban dwellers. People in government housing. People who have no stake in the economy. In other words, 99% of leftists. Are their conservative renters? Sure, but a tiny tiny minority. And most of those would buy a home because voting is so important to them. So unbunch your panties and save your ammunition for real enemies.

469 Did she just inadvertently legalize drunk driving???

470

>> How's by you otherwise?

 

Better than I deserve.  Life is good.

471 @112: "Good people who understand liberty, autonomy and protecting our country's borders are standing up and will continue to. 

This is not over.  Not even close."

Doesn't matter.  The Left is willing - and even eager - to go much farther than any of these "Good  people" will.

472 Oh, just one more note about lawyers.

There are almost no immigrant law school students.  The sciences and engineering are replete with students and faculty who never set foot in the US until they got their bachelor's degree (fully state-subsidized, BTW) and yet law schools have virtually none.

So, to judge Bolton, an "immigrant" is somebody who cuts her lawn.  She is one of those members of the ruling class that has met very few if any legal immigrants and her life isn't effected by either legal or illegal immigration.

473 If we could only discuss this on The View, maybe you people would all understand.

474 When is somebody going to do something about the federal government's monopoly on burdening the people.

"By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

It is statements like this that reveal just how sick lefties are.

475 ^{If Virginia's case survives this hurdle, a summary judgment hearing is scheduled for October 18th to decide if the federal health care law is unconstitutional.} 

^{I look forward to updating you once a decision has been made.}

Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2010 02:50 PM (5GQ6w)

Gosh, that would be the BEST birthday present EVAH........

476

Doesn't matter.  The Left is willing - and even eager - to go much farther than any of these "Good  people" will.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 28, 2010 04:13 PM (ySNz/)

That's true.  But that is exactly why this nation will have no choice but to split.  This is part of the natural asymmetry between the left and the right.  The right is federalist and allows leftists to make their own states leftist hellholes.  Liberals can be liberals under conservatives.  The left demands that the whole US become a national superstate with everyone having to live in the leftists' liberal shithole.  Conservatives cannot be conservatives under liberals.  There is no choice for conservatives.

In any event, the coming monetary catastrophe, credit crisis 2.0, will force the split, since the federal government will drown and take any State still attached to it with it.

477 Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens

Here's the thing, if anybody's going to experience an undue burden, it's legal citizens.

It's easy to prove that you're a legal immigrant.  Even if you don't have papers on you (which you should by law, but those papers are irreplaceable and most people leave them at home), there's a long paper trail.

Not so for citizens, unless you carry your birth certificate around with you or if you can easily get it from your parents.

478 in case no one mentioned this , Mark Steyn has noted that, as a legal immigrant to the US, he always has his papers with him, because that what FEDERAL LAW requires.

479 Payback comes this November or our country is toast.  Our government couldn't be more obvious without calling a joint session of Congress specifically to burn the Constitution on C-Span, with champagne and caviar to celebrate the death of America.

480 465: If they insist on separating themselves, they're as foreign as Addis Ababa.  Wash your hands of them; I already have.

481 ¡QUEMAR A LA BRUJA!

482

Better than I deserve.  Life is good.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 28, 2010 04:12 PM (WvXvd)

Tell your bud Ace he still owes me for the Pringles and Suzy-Q's.............

483

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 28, 2010 04:08 PM (Qp4DT)

I get that, and I actually call them fucking criminals, but my words in the post were based on what Odumblefuck is alleging about SB1070.   

 

 

484 Obama on the View tomorrow.  Can this bull shit get any more surreal? 

485 I put it at 80%. I didn't say all....

.....Call me names all you want. I could give a shit. Most women know more about Bradjalina than Cap and Trade.

Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2010 03:38 PM (5GQ6w)

Just FYI, sweetpea: I'm a 53 year old female/retired U.S. Soldier with an Associates Degree in Applied Science. Not only can I pass a civics test, I'm aware of who John Roberts is. And, Cap and Trade is nothing less than Obama's usual power-grabbing, that would cost the average houshold an increase in energy costs of over $3000 a year.

Just a question for ya, "dags":

Do you include yourself in that privileged 20% and how do you determine who fits in the 80%?

I don't give a shit about "Bradjalina".

 

486

I get that, and I actually call them fucking criminals, but my words in the post were based on what Odumblefuck is alleging about SB1070.

Posted by: Steph at July 28, 2010 04:24 PM (580hG)

Understood, Steph.  I wasn't directing my spiel at you, which is why I added that even the Arizonans were using that same term.  This is just a pet peeve of mine that I write every so often, as I do about "illegal immigrants".  Sorry it fell on your post.  It was more of a general comment about the phrase.

487 Honestly, I never thought much of this law as being all that fucking useful in addressing the problem.

So.

Now what are we left with?

Jan Brewer a lock cinch to be elected Governor and the sense that States can and will be effectively slapped down if they dast speak up against policy preferences from D.C.

Not actual laws mind you, policy preferences.

This is bad for all of us who want more local government.

Once elected, Brewer will make her apologies on our behalf for our unruly behavior, by more firmly latching this state onto the Federal teat than Janet Napolitano ever dreamed of doing.

Napolitano sowed the seeds, Brewer is determined to nurture the crop.

I think, that she thinks, that this is what constitutes "good government".

AZ as an entity, is well on it's way to becoming a smallish department in some office in D.C.

Due to geographical concerns it really should be a department in Hermosillo, Sonora.  If you think about it.

So.

488 Obama on the View tomorrow.  Can this bull shit get any more surreal?

You know what?  I think it will be a train wreck.  Those harpies will try to get Obama to agree with all of the wacko lefty stuff they all take for granted.

"Mr. President, don't you agree that Arizonans are nazis?"

489

What I'm saying is that the odds that Obama actually saw this stuff or was alerted to it are slim and none and Slim has been out of town for a while now, that's just not how the system works I'm afraid. 

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 28, 2010 04:03 PM

Still not buyin' it, dude.

The WH employs several zillion people, among them a horde of paper-shufflers whose job is to plow through the mail, sorting out important, trivial, threatening and useful letters. Moreover, if the Wikileaks info came in a package, you damn betcha it was fluoroscoped, X-rayed, run through chemical tests and generally treated like a live copperhead snake.

If anything about the package gave off a whiff of "classified" status, it would have been zoomed up-channel speedy-speedy, even by the kinds of incompetents who would work for Osama Obama.

Even a letter from someone like me would be checked out before being binned.

So while I agree with the implication that the Traitor-in-Chief have attention spans slightly shorter than those of mosquitoes, I'm still saying someone -- or several someones -- far above the rank of broom-pusher knew exactly what they had, and chose to sit on it.

490 So unbunch your panties and save your ammunition for real enemies.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 28, 2010 04:11 PM (WZFkG)

Sure thing, sweetcakes.

XXOOXXOO

491

Wow, dumfuk judge ...

"By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."

Take out your wallet, get our your LEGAL / VALD documents, show them to the officer, officer checks, end of story, drive off ....

that's an extraordinary burden

sure, since little things like reality, and the Law are always burdens to Progs

492 And, Cap and Trade is nothing less than Obama's usual power-grabbing, that would cost the average houshold an increase in energy costs of over $3000 a year.

I will donate $1000 to the campaign of the first Senator who stands up on CSpan2, points to his crotch and says, "Hey, Al Gore...Cap and Trade THIS!"

493

Jockey @ 460,

I hear ya. Looking for a job my wife went through the listings for local and county job postings. Every one of them, even if the position was "internal" and had no contact with the public, listed Spanish as a prerequisite. Every cotton' pickin' one of them. She was born and raised in this county and has lived here her entire life, but she's in the wrong target demographic for the govt hiring. She's asian, and female of course, I thought that might have gone farther with the bean counters over at the EEOC but no. We're nowhere close to the border, either. We're in Virginia. I never heard one word of Spanish nor had I ever seen a Mexican until about 25 years ago. Now you don't need English. In fact, if all you know is English, you're worse off than if all you know is Spanish in many ways. 

494 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2010 04:31 PM (Ulu3i)

I agree, especially since Assange had just pulled that crap with the video from Iraq, that was intentionally mischaracterized to try and indict the US.  The junta knew full well about the new leak and what was in it - or perhaps they just didn't care what was in it.  They were in favor of the release.  It just saved them some effort, since they would have eventually done the same, themselves.

495 Wait until the View cunts try and get O'dictator to join in on the trashing of Rush, Palin and Beck!

496

Yo this men vs. women thing is like arguing over drinks on the Titanic. vodka vs. gin.  It's all booze baby. Some top shelf others, bar pour.  But I still agree it should all be served by waitresses, robust in word and form.  

497 475 Shirley: Want some chocolate milk with those grammar crackers?

498 Sweetcakes? I've been called a lot of things in my life - honey, sexy, defendant - but never sweetcakes. Me like.

499

Understood, Steph.  I wasn't directing my spiel at you, which is why I added that even the Arizonans were using that same term.  This is just a pet peeve of mine that I write every so often, as I do about "illegal immigrants".  Sorry it fell on your post.  It was more of a general comment about the phrase.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 28, 2010 04:28 PM (Qp4DT)

No biggy, and I didn't take offense.   I guess I need to go outside and cut the grass or something.   Maybe drink a couple of beers whil I'm at it.  

We have to take back control in November.   I don't think I can take being any more angry than I am some days.

 

500 I will donate $1000 to the campaign of the first Senator who stands up on CSpan2, points to his crotch and says, "Hey, Al Gore...Cap and Trade THIS!"

Posted by: AmishDude at July 28, 2010 04:33 PM (T0NGe)

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) addressed climate change on the Senate floor Monday, bringing along with him an unusual prop -- a naked Al Gore poster.

"Gore seems to be drowning in a sea of his own global warming illusions." -- James Inhofe

The family spent Saturday and Sunday building an igloo near the U.S. Capitol building, and the Oklahoma senator posted photos of their handiwork on his Facebook page. They added signs to the snow dwelling that read, “AL GORE’S NEW HOME!” and “HONK IF YOU (LOVE) GLOBAL WARMING.” -- the Inhofe family

Close enough?

501

Any legal eagles here?  This is my analysis, and some questions.

The following portions have been temporarily suspended: the portion of the law that requires police officers to determine the immigration status of a person detained or arrested, the section of law that makes it a crime if someone fails to carry immigration registration papers, and the provision that makes it a crime for an illegal alien to seek work.

The “reasoning”:

“By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

Note to Bolton: Then why is the federal government not enforcing laws that apply in all 50 states?

The suspended portions:

Sections of S.B. 1070 are “preempted” by federal law:

Portion of Section 2 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 11-1051(B):
requiring that an officer make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States, and requiring verification of the immigration status of any
person arrested prior to releasing that person.

Section 3 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-1509:
creating a crime for the failure to apply for or carry alien registration papers

Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-2928(C):
creating a crime for an unauthorized alien to solicit, apply for, or perform work

Section 6 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-3883(A)(5):
authorizing the warrantless arrest of a person where there is probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense that makes the person removable from the United States

The portions of the law that were upheld:

Section 1 of S.B. 1070 no A.R.S. citation:
providing the intent of the legislation

Portions of Section 2 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 11-1051(A):
prohibiting Arizona officials, agencies, and political subdivisions from limiting enforcement of federal immigration laws

A.R.S. § 11-1051(C)-(F):
requiring that state officials work with federal officials with regard to unlawfully present aliens

A.R.S. § 11-1051(G)-(L):
allowing legal residents to sue any state official, agency, or political subdivision for adopting a policy of restricting enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law

Section 4 of S.B. 10702 A.R.S. § 13-2319:
amending the crime of human smuggling

Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-2928(A)-(B):
creating a crime for stopping a motor vehicle to pick up day laborers and for day laborers to get in a motor vehicle if it impedes the normal movement of traffic

Section 7 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 23-212:
amending the crime of knowing employment of unauthorized aliens

Section 8 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 23-212.01:
amending the crime of intentional employment of unauthorized aliens

Section 9 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 23-214:
amending the requirements for checking employment eligibility

Section 11 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 41-1724:
creating the gang and immigration intelligence team enforcement mission fund

Sections 12 & 13 of S.B. 1070 no A.R.S. citation:
administering S.B. 1070

Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-2929:
creating a separate crime for a person in violation of a criminal offense to transport or harbor an unlawfully present alien or encourage or induce an unlawfully present alien to come to or live in Arizona

Section 10 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 28-3511:
amending the provisions for the removal or impoundment of a vehicle to permit impoundment of vehicles used in the transporting or harboring of unlawfully present aliens

Bottom line:
As Drew said: ItÂ’s not overturned.  ThereÂ’s just an injunction against certain parts of the bill until a full trial takes place.

The decision still leaves in place the enforcement of illegal immigration laws, as far as: arrest and detention of illegals once theyÂ’re caught in the act of another crime, the prosecution of employers who hire illegals, and the prosecution of those who aid, abet, and harbor illegals.

Evidentally, she placed a (temporary) restriction on the proof of legal residency requirement during traffic stops, unless it pertains to “stopping a motor vehicle to pick up day laborers and for day laborers to get in a motor vehicle if it impedes the normal movement of traffic”, which flies in the face of her injuction against the “reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States”.
Whenever you get pulled over by a police officer for a traffic offense, one of the first things they say is: “May I see your driver’s license, registration and insurance ID”. If you don’t present them, guess what happens. Illegals don’t normally produce valid identification under those circumstances, so what does Bolton suggest they do?

I suspect this will go all the way to the Supreme Court.

502 Close enough?

Not quite.  I need to here "THIS" and see the crotch-pointing.

503
Here is my act of gender treason:

Please keep in mind that the 16th, 17th, and 18th amendments were all ratified before the 19th.

Also, Woodrow Wilson was elected and re-elected before the 19th was ratified.

504 1) Hispanics want jobs too. 2) Legal hispanics may not be so much in love with their illegal comrades as we think they are.

505

I fail to see the point anymore of railing against this group or that (lumping everyone into "that group") for "doing this to us". 

Rubicon's been crossed hasn't it?  Pointing fingers does take the focus off the target, doesn't it?

506

Knee jerk defense of your gender. Similar to knee jerk defense based on race. Facts are that a majority of women vote for Democrats.  It's not 80/20 but there is a significant gender gap.   

Posted by: polynikes at July 28, 2010 04:40 PM (m2CN7)

Oh fer christfuckinsakes.  I'm tired of being scapegoated and lumped in with "the women who vote for democrats".  This kind of shit rears its ugly head everytime some frustrated male, or in dagny's case, some dissatisfied female. This time it was a female judge who got everybody's nutsacks/ovaries in a knot. Most of the time it's male judges, but no one debates their gender as an excuse for their fucked up rulings.

I just posted a dissertation (above) on the ruling.  Do you have any intelligent input? If not, I guess we're through here.

507 Legal hispanics may not be so much in love with their illegal comrades as we think they are.

Yes, but my understanding is that they view such things as being anti-hispanic by and large.  I don't think it's a rational policy difference, just a feeling of being picked on.

508

514  No shit -- and this is a big slap in the face for them, but...thanks to the goddamned "racial discourse" the left put up...the only people who can stick up for the country on that score are....drum roll...Hispanics (who, by the way, I consider to be white).

So once again, we have a group  that is going to have to weather being called Uncle Toms.  The question is: will they do it?  I have faith quite a few will, but there will be others that won't.

And the same thing would be happening if the skin colors were different -- it's human nature.

509 Looking back, we had, in the person of Teddy Roosevelt, the finest President in the history of this country. He had the spirit and determination that matched the times and the land.

Then the women got the vote, and everything went to hell. While our boys was overseas fighting the Kaiser, the women got Prohibition put in. Drinking and gambling and whoring were declared unlawful. All those things which come natural to men became crimes.

510

Pssst!  Pssst!

Hey, Arizona, c'mere.

You might wanna consider the three S's:

1. Shoot.

2. Shovel.

3. Shut up.

I'm not saying anything officially, mind you; I'm just sayin'.

511 So once again, we have a group  that is going to have to weather being called Uncle Toms.

¿Que?

512 It is over.  O-V-E-R.

Burn this shit to the ground and maybe, just maybe, something good will grow in the soot of this rotting corpse of a once-great nation.

513

Oh fer christfuckinsakes.  I'm tired of being scapegoated and lumped in with "the women who vote for democrats".  This kind of shit rears its ugly head everytime some frustrated male, or in dagny's case, some dissatisfied female. This time it was a female judge who got everybody's nutsacks/ovaries in a knot. Most of the time it's male judges, but no one debates their gender as an excuse for their fucked up rulings.

I just posted a dissertation (above) on the ruling.  Do you have any intelligent input? If not, I guess we're through here.

Posted by: SFC MAC at July 28, 2010 04:54 PM (ZGdhe)

Please pour me a gin and tonic and fetch me a box of camels.  Thanks.

514 Then the women got the vote, and everything went to hell. While our boys was overseas fighting the Kaiser, the women got Prohibition put in.

Check your timeline.

515

Knee jerk defense of your gender. Similar to knee jerk defense based on race. Facts are that a majority of women vote for Democrats.  It's not 80/20 but there is a significant gender gap.   

Wow. Just... wow.

And Clarence Thomas doesn't mind being lumped in with Black Panthers, 'cause he's a black man. Or being called an Uncle Tom, for that matter.

516 Would it not have been simpler for Arizona to tweak the rules for establishing 'flight risk' in evaluating whether bail should be granted (or released on your own recognizance after a traffic stop)  - if you cannot establish proof of legal residency then, by definition, you would be a flight risk and denied release/bail.

Also, deny parole unless legal residence is proven, if 'out-of-state' you would be escorted 'home'.

517 Hey, I'm just the "colorful" character, I didn't write the screenplay.

518

No I lump you in with another catergoy of women.

Posted by: polynikes at July 28, 2010 05:03 PM (m2CN7)

I take that as a "no" on the intelligent input.

519

SFC MAC -  Just having some fun so relax.

Did you read McCarthy's article in the WSJ?   The judge's arguments are inconsistent with case law and logic.  

520

Please pour me a gin and tonic and fetch me a box of camels.  Thanks.

Posted by: Journolist at July 28, 2010 05:02 PM (8EEyy)

Isn't Dave Weigel your bitch?

521

SFC MAC -  Just having some fun so relax.

Did you read McCarthy's article in the WSJ?   The judge's arguments are inconsistent with case law and logic.  

Posted by: Journolist at July 28, 2010 05:11 PM (8EEyy)

Gee, NOW your tell me. Anyhoo....I did not read McCarthy's article, but apparently, I came to the same conclusion.

522

497 Obama on the View tomorrow.  Can this bull shit get any more surreal?

You know what?  I think it will be a train wreck.  Those harpies will try to get Obama to agree with all of the wacko lefty stuff they all take for granted.

"Mr. President, don't you agree that Arizonans are nazis?"

> Amish Dude - you just might be right on this. The sad thing amongst many, is that you know Obama has planned the questions and how this thing is suppose to play out. Watch for the inferences the wink, wink, nod, nod and smiles as the GOP extreme meme is sung.

Dude. A president of these here once united states on the View. Still can't get brain around that.

523

Dude. A president of these here once united states on the View. Still can't get brain around that.

As I told my son, Bumbles may as well be going on Saturday Night Live.

It's like he's deliberately trying to cheapen the most powerful office on earth. Like if he were to try to tear down the greatest country in history.... oh, wait...

524 534

Dude. A president of these here once united states on the View. Still can't get brain around that.

As I told my son, Bumbles may as well be going on Saturday Night Live.

It's like he's deliberately trying to cheapen the most powerful office on earth. Like if he were to try to tear down the greatest country in history.... oh, wait...

< What's our plan blondie?  

525 Cheapen the office... how about appearing Madden NFL 11 video game? That seems pretty cheap. http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/madden-nfl-11/1108775p1.html Well, cheap or indoctrination...

526

@250: "The damnable Marxists will push this country to civil war."

Who, exactly, is going to fight against them? None have so far. 

527 "requiring that an officer make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States, and requiring verification of the immigration status of any person arrested prior to releasing that person." The Judge says that the reasonable suspicion requirement does not apply to the second part (after the and) and, therefore, everyone arrested will have to have their immigration status checked. And that is the reason for claiming an extraordinary burden on the Feds. Seems to me that this is easily fixed with a small rewording of this sentence. I hope Jan Brewer is getting ready to call an emergency session of the Legislature for that purpose.

528 Filing income tax forms every year are an undue burden. Can I get an injunction from that? (Plus it's still not constitutional.)

Carrying and presenting ID to fly commercially is an undue burden.

Having to buy health insurance is an undue burden.

But I guess since the almighty Fed says I have to, too bad for me.

529 Gosh, I'll bet this "judge" is about to  have her career "advance" stunningly.  Just watch.

530 Wendel "Pyramid" Goler just whipped out the standard libtard talking points about the AZ law. This guy can not lick Obama's balls any harder.

531 At least the Prez is consistent. He didn't feel he should have to show his papers either (unlike little league registrations).

hey wait, does that explain his 'throwing style'. Hmm... Also, someone once told me bank tellers (like his grandma) always always keep a safety deposit box. Just sayin

no seriously, I think he probably had one... but ended up burning it in some ritualistic show of allegiance to another.

532 Would it not have been simpler for Arizona to tweak the rules for establishing 'flight risk' in evaluating whether bail should be granted

No.

No it would not have.

The only "controversy" about this law is the fact that it was passed.

There is nothing terribly exceptional much less fucking draconian in this bill.

To be honest, I've always viewed it as kinda weak sauce on the purely practical front.

IMHO La Raza ginned up a race fight, because they felt like they were being ignored by the Administration.

I think that they were as surprised as all the rest of us when DC embraced their (stupid) challenge.

You wanted to "raise the stakes" on your silly racialist argument?

You got your fuckin' wish skippy!

I'd just as soon kill all of the sows that people like you feed on but it won't be nearly as much fun as identifying one in particular and hearing the wailing of you women and the lamentations of you children!

It's just poison.

533

@345: "This whole 'only math gods matter' schtick is getting tedious.  We can't all be actuaries."

Amen.  Not to mention that leeches, sorry "teachers" in public schools' and universities' math departments apparently can't teach for shit, judging by their students' performances.

534 Oh, sorry.

Didn't get that the thread is about the enfranchisement of women.

As a conservative, I think that this is a very necessary thing, for this country but I surely do wish that less women exercised their rights.

Politics being the art of the possible and all, I don't see how we have ever been well served, in the long term, catering to the demands of "the soccer moms".

"We need to pass a law making it illegal to leave your child unattended in the back seat of a car for hours, baking in the sun!"

Of course we do, dear!

Because this particular paragon of motherhood, would, no doubt, have made very different choices on that day when she killed her baby had she been aware that her conduct was illegal!

535

@438: "Actually Che was about as racist as they come. He considered anyone who wasn't 100% Castillion Spanish to be less than dirt."

True enough, but he would kill anyone.  In death, he was an egalitarian to anyone insufficiently on his side.

536 Okay.

Must be the only one.

I'm not for baking toddlers in cars, I just find passing specific laws against it, somehow counterproductive.

Legislation is not the proper way to express grief or outrage.

537

@459: "Almost nobody flunks out, there is no meaningful intellectual concept that cannot be grasped by 95% of the population.  In short, there is no thinking.  There's lots of reading and lots of writing, but there's no problem-solving."

Wrong, fuckwit.  About 1/3 of my class failed out over the course of three years. (Of course, I didn't go to an Ivy, so we actually had to make grades.)  There are plenty of schools that cut the bottom 1/3 after the first year alone, so there's plenty of flunking out.  There's also a lot of problem solving, at least in the schools that don't teach pure legal theory (once again, Ivies, etc.).   Plenty of hypotheticals dealing with matters of first impression, extending or restricting doctrines, etc., and it's an even bigger part of trial/appellate practice classes.

We all get that at some point in your youth, a gang of law students raped you, kicked your girlfriend, took your mom, and stole your dog's lunch money, and that you now hate everyone remotely connected with the legal profession.  Really, there's no one here who is at all uncertain as to your position.  It's beyond time to give it a rest.

538

@467: "Inklings of bucking the system"

That's a far cry from actually *doing* anything of substance.  I would very much like you to be right, to actually have people who will step up like the Founding Fathers did and actually fight for their liberty and that of the nation, but I just don't see it.

539

@480: "Oh, just one more note about lawyers.

There are almost no immigrant law school students.  The sciences and engineering are replete with students and faculty who never set foot in the US until they got their bachelor's degree (fully state-subsidized, BTW) and yet law schools have virtually none."

Oh Christ, not this idiotic claim again.  LAWS AND LEGAL SYSTEMS DIFFER FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY.  A foreign student has no reason to come to a law school in the US, unless he/she wants to be a lawyer in this country.  US law schools don't teach foreign law as the main subject.  They teach US law and the law of the state in which they are located.  A student can take an elective or two in Chinese law, or Sharia law, or maybe even New Guinea Headhunter Statutes, but that's about it.  If someone wants to learn a foreign legal system, they need to go to a law school in that country.

540 For those that think Bolton's career will get a big boost, think again.  While Clinton appointed her, Jon Kyl, the senator from Arizona recommended her.  Kyl is graded the 4th most conservative senator and won't forget this.  She's supposed to be an independent and I don't think this decision came from anything other the cowardice and as a result won't get any promotions from the Dems as she isn't politically correct and won't get anything from the GOP as she's a coward.  As noted by a number of commentors, she lacked the courage to allow Arizona to enforce federal law and just punted this up the line.  I gather that in order to appeal Arizona needs permission from Bolton.  This could take weeks.  Also, it goes to the 9th circuit out of San Francisco and that group is pretty liberal so the chance of a change of outcome is pretty small.  It's been suggested that an emergency session of the Arizona legislature take place with a view to trying to fix the law.  Maybe that's the best way to do this.  For Arizona's sake I hope they can get something in quickly, then maybe the exodus if the illegals will continue.

541

Gov Brewer should issue an executive order prohibiting state law enforcement agencies from assisting federal law enforcement in any way, shape, or form, citing this lawsuit's argument that federal laws are utterly outside the state's competence to enforce.

Tell the IRS, FBI, and F-Troop that they'll come out and draw a nice chalk outline around their cooling corpses . . . after they get done with their union-mandated coffee/doughnut break.

542 @ 551

Try again, with paragraphs or sumfphin.

543 Levin thoroughly destroyed the ruling tonight.

Appeal, goes to 9th circus, appeal again goes to SCOTUS and gets upheld as it should have been here.

544 Hey Deety, it was one of those strings of consciousness things and since I'm so rarely conscious I couldn't waste time with parawhatevers.

545

Riddle me this one, somebody-

 

If someone on the terror watch list sneaks in, does this mean no one but a fed can pick him up?

546 Druid at July 28, 2010 05:05 PM (Oe01r)

That could still be an option.

547

Would the other side ever courteously extend the benefit of doubt in this way?

Honestly, no, the other side would never give anyone who didn't agree 100% with their political agenda any slack at all, even when it is pointed out that their premise is completely false.

But that's one of the things that seperates our side from theirs, we take people to task when it's warranted, not when it isn't.

But then again, considering the myriad of examples Barky provides of being totally incompetent, corrupt and ridiculous I think we can afford to let one that simply doesn't hold water go by the wayside and it doesn't really affect the overall picture one little bit.

548 I am still mulling the reasoning behind the judge's decision, but the following things did occur to me:

All drivers of motor vehicles must carry both a license and proof of insurance. This is because driving is considered, at best, a condition right.

Pilots must carry their licenses with them when they fly, so they may be viewed upon request by FAA inspectors.

Military members must carry their ID cards upon them at all times (including, no joke, to the gym), as well as perhaps a liberty pass if out in time.

The first example is a state's law, the other two are Federal requirements. Even if not legally valid, from an ethical issue having legal aliens carry "ze papers" is not beyond the pale. Living in the United States is not a natural law right, but a grant of the American people out of the fundamental goodness of their collective hearts.

I am still mulling the actual legal elements vis a vis what a state may do.

Because I enjoy playing the home game version of "You Too can be a Legal Scholar!". (Interestingly enough, I just saw today in the bookstore that Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote a book on the Common Law. Who knew?)

As a final note, from another ethical and moral angle--I'm sure Americans find it absolutely charming that one part of its government thinks it okay to demand that all Americans provide to the Federal government BMI readings and proof of medical insurance every year, while another part of the said-same national government thinks making non-citizens carry something the national government itself makes them possess is the height of folly. And yes, I do get the national versus state divide. It won't matter. The people will cut through the legalities and understand the crux of the issue. And I daresay they won't like it.

549 First, who is surprised by this? As per DOJ Civil Rights attorney J. Christian Adams, the legal dogma of the day is that "Whites have no civil rights." Or any other rights. Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal, all lawyers almost without exception believe Whites have no civil rights, and from there they also believe America has no right to enforce its borders. Because it would stop Mexicans from coming her illegally. Anything that hurts the White majority is found to be good and proper, by the legal framework of today.

Second, anyone expecting anything to happen by elections is harboring fantasies. The total control of the judicial/legal system by the above framework renders meaningless anything passed by a state legislature. Reps won't capture the Senate and may not capture the House. Harry Reid will still be Senate Majority Leader next year, and Obama President, able to rule by Executive Order if he wants to, and does. Obama can and will offer blanket amnesty/pardons to every Mexican here illegally that wants it, and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. He can even make them instant citizens, and will.

Third, think about how Prohibition was defeated. Same thing. Legally and with the help (of the newly enfranchised women voters) it was the massive law of the land with support deep-wide in judicial/legal frameworks, the executive, and Congress. Prohibition was defeated by drinking. Everyone drank. Illegally. Outside the law. No one beat people up, or had riots, or anything else, and voting was a farce that would not and did not change the law one bit. What ended Prohibition was 13 years of total futility of enforcing it, by everyone in society drinking. Not violence, or revolution, but massive civil disobediance. Think about it.

550

Still not buyin' it, dude.

Wasn't selling it, "dude".  The plain and simple fact is the White House is totally innudated everyday by calls, emails, packages, letters - the amount is staggering.  It's been like that for a long time, and none of those letters, packages, or phone calls or emails go to the President or get brought to his attention.  It would have to be something really extraordinary to stand out in such a deluge, and it would be almost unheard of for any of that to reach the President or even anyone well placed in his staff.  The folks that handle that stuff are pretty much the lowest level flunkies imagainable, hell a lot of them have probably never even met the President face to face themselves.

The people with actual access don't send letters to the published address, just like those with actual access don't use any of the published .gov email addresses that are available to the general public.

Almost everything sent in through these channels is going to get seperated into one of three categories.  Nice letters or emails will generally get responded to with a form letter.  Those that represent anything threatening or fishy will get investigated by the Secret Service.  Most everything else, like a big stack of papers like you'd see in this instance, is going to hit the dumpster.

You can believe me or not, it really doesn't make much difference to me, but it does happen to be the truth.

Bush didn't read any of that shit either, nor did Clinton, or Reagan, or Carter, or Ford.. Now granted Barky does appear to have more free time than any President in recorded history but as I think you can see he spends that on the Golf course or galavanting around to parties and fund raisers with the first Wookie.

So, "dude", get a grip.  He's not pouring over emails and stacks of papers sent to him by outside sources with zero access.  You honestly think the annointed one gives a rats ass about "the people" or what we think? Please.  Even assuming this wikileaks libertard sent this shit like he says he did, it got shit canned about 5 seconds after somebody opened the envelope.  They glanced at it, it wasn't in the "send them a nice form letter" category, wasn't in the "creepy threat that needs to go to the Secret Service" category, it was in the "ya, like I got time to read all this shit" category and into the trash it went.

It's just the way it works.

551 The Democrats will wish that they had lost on this injunction and the case by the time it all ends. Look at the rage that will ensure. Firing up Obama's opponents with less than 100 days to go before the mid-terms is political incompetence. Angering 60% of the country right before the mid-terms is political suicide. Watch for a big dip in Obama's poll numbers in the week ahead.

552 This country's fucked.

553 Quis custodiet ipsos custod-ICE?

554 NEW GRENADE PARTY!

New rules, men vs. women, 40 foot by 40 foot arena, grenades free!

There surely is no fire like friendly fire.

555

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556

#   166.  What it comes down to is... a federal judge just usurped the sovereignty of a state's governor and a state's legislature.

Well, its been done before when in liberal Washington bussing was all the rage.   All that did was kill our large cities.

 

#168.  Where's that "dang fence'?

Some of its up.  But they are crawling over it like cockroaches.

557 Catch-22
AZ: We want to enforce existing immigration law.
Commie judge: AZ can't enforce the law, because it's the job of the Feds.
The Feds: We won't enforce existing immigration law.
The People: We're already bent over, here it comes again.

558 All Outraged Americans Should Contact This Judge, Their Congressmen and the White House to Express Their Outrage. Judge Bolton's Number is (602) 322-7570 as Found Youtube.Com From http://tinyurl.com/3xdoe3p

559 Does this mean I can go to Mass or Tennessee and get free state run health care?  They can't ask me for any form of identification, only the feds can do that because they are the only ones who can put taht burden on people. 

560

If you were irked by Judge Bolton's decision, which was clearly in compliance with her instructions from Eric Holder, you really should have heard the zany explanation that CNN's Rick Sanchez gave for Judge Bolton's sleazy, extremely irresponsible and politically correct decision. Somehow the word, bizarre, just doesn't seem to adequately describe his explanation of those events.

I used to think that Rick Sanchez was just stupid. I now believe that, like Robert Gibbs, he is just another spokesman and deliberate propogandist for the Obama Administration, putting their spin on the zany gibberish that he spews whenever he discusses political issues, and, therefore, that he isn't as dumb as he pretends to be. In other words, nobody could be that stupid, unless it was intentional.

561

Can I haz me some Constitution soon?

562 ing As a ohath taken by ever true legal american to uphold domestic and foregin law. Arizona is the state thats had a nuff of bullshit, Im no longer a proud american it's sick that a federal judge would turn there back on all hard working tax paying american citizens and side with criminals in a 3rd world country. If mexacacio's wanna come to USA do i legal like others have. Ky is adopt a law tuffer and requirey illegal aliens caught here would serve 1-5 years in prison deport childern there illegal

563 I'm going to post-n-run in what is probably a dead thread, but why-the-hell-not? Was just in CA (taking the young 'uns to Legoland) and picked up a local newspaper. In it, there was a brief story about the federally initiated program in which every incarcerated alien will have fingerprints sent to the feds in order to determine if they're here legally. It's currently in pilot in a couple hundred cities in about half the states. And yet one of the reasons given for blocking SB1070 was that it would be a drain for the feds to handle the excess workload. Gotcha!

564 stead. The superficial or populist interpretation of the so-called Taoist philosophy often invokes the phrase "go with the flow," in the sense of passive accept  t we are not meant to "go with the flow," for that is the stuff of inner weakness. He would encourage us to act with inner determination in this respect: to sil  ter does its work with persistent strength but no effort; and thus it is effective. Even where it appears turbid, it nourishes, settles, flows, and acts. The sa  e his point clear; he can live "close to the earth" in wonderful abundance; he can remain poised amid conflict, but without bowing to power or resorting to mani  urs at an invisible and quantum plane of being. This is how transformation happens, and it is how it can happen through us as well: when we "nourish our depths"  er that shapes and sustains ourselves and our planet. It has the unique ability to transform conflict into understanding, and bring us fulfillment and completio