May 28, 2010
— DrewM Nothing to see here, move along.
The White House
asked former President Bill Clinton to talk to Rep. Joe Sestak about the possibility of obtaining a senior position in the Obama administration if he would drop out of the Democratic primary race against establishment-backed Sen. Arlen Specter, the Obama administration said in a report released Friday morning.The report, by the White House Counsel's office, said Sestak was offered jobs in the executive branch that were uncompensated.
A White House official said these were for advisory boards. One of the jobs specifically discussed with Sestak was the president's intelligence advisory board. But a White House official said the plan was for Sestak to always remain in the House and he couldn't have served in the House and on the president's intelligence advisory board.
The report also described the Clinton conversations as informal and unhinged from any precise job offer since, as a former president, Clinton could not guarantee Sestak anything.
How exactly was a spot on an advisory board supposed to get him out of the race?
BTW- They couldn't have made Sestak SecNav if they wanted to. He hasn't been retired from the Navy long enough.
Was the delay in announcing this simply to hide the Clinton connection? Were they embarrassed that they used the dreaded old guy or as Chris Wallace on FNC just speculated it was to protect Clinton's image as an above it all statesman. The problem with that is no one except Democrat fanboys thinks he's a statesman. Bill Clinton was one of the main surrogates for Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail. He's a political animal. Also, it's not like Obama is reluctant to throw folks under the bus. I can't imagine he was enjoying getting beat up daily to protect Bill Clinton. That's not O's style.
They are trying to bury this over Memorial Day weekend and I'm sure the MFM will do their best to play along now that they know this is an Obama/Clinton production but Bubba's involvement only raises the stakes to find out what really happened. Right now this doesn't add up.
The unpaid part is an important part of the story. Based on that the White House and any defense counsel, will argue the position wasn't really a thing of value and therefore not a bribe.
On the other hand, the White House has now publicly communicated to Sestak what the story is. Now the ball is in his court, no reason for him to play coy any more. I presume he'll carry the water here. Obama may have supported Specter (halfheartedly) but Sestak is going to want a few stops with Obama (at least in areas like Philly) leading up to November.
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Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 08:07 AM (7EDH5)
Posted by: scr_north at May 28, 2010 08:08 AM (GChcm)
Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2010 08:08 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 28, 2010 08:09 AM (hVKwd)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 28, 2010 08:10 AM (mHQ7T)
BO and Clinton had lunch yesterday?
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:11 AM (p302b)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 28, 2010 08:11 AM (0GFWk)
I'll bet in the end, we'll find out it wasn't actually Bill Clinton who offered him the job - it was Roger Clinton. So, definitely nothing illegal happened. Straight arrow, that one.
Posted by: Seattle Screw at May 28, 2010 08:11 AM (pUfK9)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 28, 2010 08:13 AM (0GFWk)
Most first graders can come with "Honest...... I didnt hit him...... his nose ran into my fist" denial right there on the spot.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2010 08:13 AM (J5Hcw)
*stabs knife into wooden table*
Nice blog you guys got here Drew, be a shame if anything were to f'cking happen to it.
Posted by: Rahm Emanuel at May 28, 2010 08:14 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at May 28, 2010 08:14 AM (xlmQD)
Posted by: Hutch at May 28, 2010 08:14 AM (HFvKA)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 28, 2010 08:15 AM (hVKwd)
He made it 17 months before his first impeachable offense. Not bad for a Dem.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 12:07 PM (7EDH5)
That we know about so far. I'm sure there are many others.
Posted by: Blazer at May 28, 2010 08:16 AM (t72+4)
Aaaa bubba we need you take one for the team....not to worry, aaa if anything comes from it...aaa..I'l give you a Presidential pardon.
crickets...crickets....
Trust Me!
crickets....crickets...
Posted by: Paladin at May 28, 2010 08:16 AM (AfORa)
Political Capital: Easy to sell, almost impossible to buy, worth millions of $$$.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 28, 2010 08:16 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 28, 2010 08:16 AM (i3AsK)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:16 AM (p302b)
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment,
position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit,
provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of
Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such
benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any
political activity or for the support of or opposition to any
candidate or any political party in connection with any general or
special election to any political office, or in connection with any
primary election or political convention or caucus held to select
candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Posted by: Benson at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: Hutch at May 28, 2010 12:14 PM (HFvKA)
I get it- it's the old "we're not corrupt, we're STUPID" defense. Yeah, that'll work real well....
Posted by: Nighthawk at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Sherrif Joe Biden at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (0Hn5w)
Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (OlN4e)
How about a pool to pick the new Chief of Staff.
Posted by: erp at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (Wkm4K)
I still have a headache from the Presser from Hell yesterday.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:17 AM (UOM48)
Hell at this point we might as well just give up on this whole anti-corruption thing, and just make a Political Capital category on Ebay.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 28, 2010 08:18 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2010 08:18 AM (xGIqT)
Posted by: Eliot Spitzer at May 28, 2010 08:19 AM (uKraB)
Posted by: Donna at May 28, 2010 08:19 AM (z3whe)
It adds up. At the behest of a White House Official, Rahm, Bill Clinton was acting as an agent of the administration offering this position. Unpaid or not the postiion has value. Regardless of whether this was consistent with what the DNC, or the RNC in the past, would do anyway makes no difference. In past instances no member of the Whate House staff was shown to be involved let alone recruit a cut out as was done with Clinton. It's an open and shut case.
Posted by: Rocks at May 28, 2010 08:20 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2010 08:20 AM (xGIqT)
Also a phone in from someone else said "everyone does this, it politics as usual".
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 08:20 AM (6taRI)
Ah, but these "Democrat fanboys" include the MSM. So for Teh O, problem solved!
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:21 AM (92zkk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:21 AM (UOM48)
Trying to pin this on Clinton just won't work. The bribe came from Rahmbo and he can only get authorization for a deal like this from the community organizer himself. GOTCHA! Impeach now. Clinton and Teh Ballerina go to jail with Barry.
Posted by: sickinmass at May 28, 2010 08:21 AM (tamie)
About Rush being a birther? Rush? Rush is not a birther.....
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:21 AM (p302b)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (0GFWk)
Now that I'd believe.
Difference between a conservative and a liberal... a conservative fills the gas tank on his CTS-V every day even if he didn't drive the day before. A liberal chains a bicycle and a 5-gal can on his Yugo, filling up only after he runs out; swearing that Cap & Trade will pass and crush Haliburton to dust any day now.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (AlWmG)
Posted by: Dick Blumenthal at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (6lRYQ)
Posted by: FreakyBoy at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (uKraB)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 08:22 AM (MK6Kx)
Damn them
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 08:23 AM (6taRI)
Evidently the White House talked to Sestaks brother yesterday
Pictures of his kids leaving school, through a rifle scope?
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 28, 2010 08:23 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: Prof. Venkman at May 28, 2010 08:23 AM (4JpPD)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 08:23 AM (7EDH5)
The law doesn't require a direct offer, though.
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment,
position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit,
Posted by: Benson at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: Donna at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (z3whe)
"I did not have an inappropriate conversation with that man."
Heh. History, we are doomed to repeat it.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: unknown jane at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (i3AsK)
Posted by: Vyceroy at May 28, 2010 08:24 AM (kk/EG)
Posted by: Empire
of Jeff at May 28, 2010 12:20 PM (xGIqT)
Thanks, buddy. That was a needed antidote to Ed's post on Arlington National Cemetary. He makes me want to puke.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 08:25 AM (1fanL)
This makes no sense.
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:25 AM (p302b)
Posted by: sherlock at May 28, 2010 08:25 AM (fKPuo)
A Jewish man spots his Jewish friend reading an Arabic newspaper.
“An Arabic newspaper? Moshe, have you lost your mind?” he says.
“Well, I used to read the Jewish papers, but what did I find?” Moshe replies. “Jews being persecuted, Israel being attacked, Jews disappearing through assimilation, Jews living in poverty. So I switched to an Arab newspaper. Now what do I find? Jews own the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich and powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!
Posted by: totally unrelated humor at May 28, 2010 08:25 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2010 08:25 AM (OlN4e)
Then Malisha knocked on the bathroom door and said, "Daddy, are you gonna find your Vernon Jordan to take the heat for the Sestak scandal, today?"
Posted by: Pezident Pander at May 28, 2010 08:26 AM (OZ0pi)
Also a phone in from someone else said "everyone does this, it politics as usual".
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 12:20 PM (6taRI)
That isn't going to wash. The memo clearly says Rahm solicited Clinton. Clinton was acting as an agent for the White House, employee or not. It's the same as an informant being considered an agent of the police when they wear a wire.
Posted by: Rocks at May 28, 2010 08:26 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:26 AM (UOM48)
The law doesn't require a direct offer, though.
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment,
position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit,
Posted by: Benson at May 28, 2010 12:24 PM (qzcNU)
Laws are pretty good about covering all the bases. Criminal laws, that is. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge is not a new invention.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 08:27 AM (1fanL)
Bill Ayers?
59 If the position had no value, why would it serve as an inducement to Sestak ?
Good point. And why would he say that somebody in the Administration offered him a job?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 28, 2010 08:27 AM (9hSKh)
Sheer arrogance on the part of these slimes.
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:27 AM (92zkk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 12:19 PM (UOM4
You can say it but it won't ever happen. This will be dead and buried before the Pubbies take their offices in Congress next January and you're smoking crack if you think the Dems in Congress or Holder will pursue this.
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 08:28 AM (MK6Kx)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 28, 2010 08:28 AM (0GFWk)
Not the way I'd drive. I'd be down at least a gallon or two before hitting the driveway.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2010 08:28 AM (AlWmG)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 08:29 AM (7EDH5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:29 AM (UOM48)
42 Evidently the White House talked to Sestaks brother yesterday to. I'm sure they've got "something" on Sestaks family so he better play along."
Posted by: Donna at May 28, 2010 12:19 PM (z3whe)
The Sestaks are lawyers...its a target rich invironment.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 28, 2010 08:29 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: t-bird at May 28, 2010 08:30 AM (FcR7P)
Rham was one of Clinton's whiz kids back in the day. They are probably pals.
Also, Clinton loves this shit. He's an old school pol and this is what they do...the schmooze, make deals, slap each other on the back. I bet Clinton loves the prestige of the elder statesman shtick (and the chicks) but at heart he's a ward healer.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 28, 2010 08:30 AM (X/Lqh)
86 Somebody not in the Administration didn't offer him a non-job not in exchange for anything.
That's all they've been trying to say for weeks, why won't you crazy wingers just listen?...
Yeah, what she said!
Posted by: seattle slag at May 28, 2010 08:30 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 28, 2010 08:31 AM (hVKwd)
Exactly right. He clearly stated it was "the administration", and not "someone connected to the administration". Bill's lunch with Obama the other day has got to be when Bill was informed off the plan to get him to take this one for the team.
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:31 AM (92zkk)
That simply adds conspiracy to the charge sheet (not that there will ever be one).
Posted by: DrewM. at May 28, 2010 08:31 AM (X/Lqh)
Posted by: joe buzz at May 28, 2010 08:31 AM (jbXDH)
Posted by: Empire
of Jeff at May 28, 2010 12:20 PM
(xGIqT)
Thanks, buddy. That was a
needed antidote to Ed's post on Arlington National Cemetary. He makes
me want to puke.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 12:25 PM (1fanL)
I saw that and felt the same way FUBAR.
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 08:31 AM (MK6Kx)
Kind of disappointed the Axelturfers are taking so long, guess they keep getting revised scripts.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 28, 2010 08:32 AM (fx8sm)
You can say it but it won't ever
happen. This will be dead and buried before the Pubbies take their
offices in Congress next January and you're smoking crack if you think
the Dems in Congress or Holder will pursue this.
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 12:28 PM (MK6Kx)
Does anyone really think there are enough Republicans who'd go forward with impeachment of the first second black President, just because he committed an impeachable crime? Yeah, because they're principled, courageous men who will do what's right regardless of the fallout.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 08:32 AM (1fanL)
Posted by: sherlock at May 28, 2010 08:33 AM (fKPuo)
Have noticed a lot of criticism of the military folks "in charge" guess they noticed it too?
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:33 AM (p302b)
Come on, Clinton is the clean-up guy here, like Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction. I doubt he was involved in any of it. Bet you guys a case of valulrite that Hillary's campaign debts just went away.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 08:33 AM (cniXs)
Posted by: FreakyBoy at May 28, 2010 08:33 AM (uKraB)
Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2010 08:33 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:34 AM (UOM48)
Does anyone really think there are
enough Republicans who'd go forward with impeachment of the first second black
President, just because he committed an impeachable crime? Yeah,
because they're principled, courageous men who will do what's right
regardless of the fallout.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 12:32 PM (1fanL)
If they take both the House and Senate in Nov AND Obama doesn't cave on policy and appointments. Yes, I do think it.
Posted by: Rocks at May 28, 2010 08:34 AM (Q1lie)
Does anyone really think there are
enough Republicans who'd go forward with impeachment of the first second black
President, just because he committed an impeachable crime? Yeah,
because they're principled, courageous men who will do what's right
regardless of the fallout.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 12:32 PM (1fanL)
I hate to say it, but you're probably right.
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (MK6Kx)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (bEU6G)
1) S/he never did it.
2) Even if s/he did it, it's no big deal
3) Republicans do it, too.
Reminds me of the fundraiser that Algore "misspoke" about: I didn't do anything, I'm proud of what I did, and I won't do it again!
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (VDgKF)
This is the lamest excuse WH can ever dream up. I smell male bovine feces spread all over this administration. God help us all.
Posted by: Ikwill at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (DMHm1)
I'd hope so Mrs. D'oh, but this is just a lover's spat. They'll come crawling back to Obama soon enough for make-up decadence.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (9hSKh)
However, the gentlemen are already sucking each other's dicks.
Posted by: totally unrelated humor at May 28, 2010 08:35 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 28, 2010
12:35 PM (9hSKh)
Yeah, as soon as he starts pushing more of their favored legislation all will be forgiven.
Posted by: Mandy P. at May 28, 2010 08:36 AM (MK6Kx)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:37 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 28, 2010 12:35 PM (9hSKh)
Battered wife syndrome...very sad.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 28, 2010 08:37 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:37 AM (UOM48)
If they take both the House and Senate in Nov AND Obama doesn't cave on policy and appointments. Yes, I do think it.
Posted by: Rocks at May 28, 2010 12:34 PM (Q1lie)
Well, then, I've got a tough-as-nails amnesty immigration law to sell you.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (1fanL)
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (92zkk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (UOM48)
Jesus H. Christ, Barry has lunch with Clinton and then Clinton rides to the rescue?!!
Barry might as well call a presser and say "Hey, I'm up to my ass in this too, you know?"
Posted by: sherlock at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (fKPuo)
Come on, Clinton is the clean-up guy here, like Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction. I doubt he was involved in any of it. Bet you guys a case of valulrite that Hillary's campaign debts just went away.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 12:33 PM (cniXs)
Actually, that was Point Of No Return the American remake of La Femme Nikita.
Posted by: Blazer at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: ghost707 at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (uyWFE)
Yep and in a later discussion they said already different lawyers were taking different sides. I had to roll in the floor for that one.
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 08:38 AM (6taRI)
118 hahhaha Rush talking about how the brothers of dems are always thrown to the wolves. Too funny, rush has a long list...
Whats that you say Jimmah? Jus uh minute, ahmma takin' a piss.....
Posted by: Billy Carter at May 28, 2010 08:39 AM (OlN4e)
Yeah, because they're principled, courageous men who will do what's right regardless of the fallout.
We have to take the high road, we don't want to die on this hill, why fight a battle we can't win, etc., etc.,.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 28, 2010 08:39 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: ellie light at May 28, 2010 08:40 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:40 AM (p302b)
If it makes you feel better I just got asked to fudge grant data.
Posted by: taylork at May 28, 2010 08:41 AM (0Hn5w)
Bribing people is just common sense and the exact reason why the Democrats will pick up at least 2.5 million seats in the House and Senate this fall.
Posted by: snapdragqueen at May 28, 2010 08:42 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 28, 2010 12:20 PM (xGIqT)
Thanks, buddy. That was a needed antidote to Ed's post on Arlington National Cemetary. He makes me want to puke.
The Thug-in-Chief? Or Ed? Or both?
With this Arlington post, my vote is for both.
Posted by: Marybeth at May 28, 2010 08:43 AM (hBRoa)
I have always said that the Supreme Court justices should be appointed by the States, one from each State.
Following that change they should make the DOJ a subsidiary of the Judiciary and have the court appoint the AG. The the AG hire all the federal DA's with the caveat that any DA appointed locally must get the approval of the local legislature.
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 08:43 AM (6taRI)
I love the people that ask you to be a team player and play along and then when the fraud charges come, it'll be all your idea.
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:43 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Ben at May 28, 2010 08:43 AM (wuv1c)
Because it puts him in the position to do some real damage to BO, which is what he really wants. Then Hil, with heavy heart, will resign from SofS next year, or 2011 tops, and run against him. She'll be too old in '16.
Man, I would hate to have my presidency hinge on the faithfulness and reliability of Bill Clinton.
Posted by: pep at May 28, 2010 08:43 AM (5GcKk)
Man, I would hate to have my presidency hinge on the faithfulness and reliability of Bill Clinton.
I won't come in your Presidency's mouth...I promise.
Now go get my Coffee!
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2010 08:45 AM (9EUvT)
As much as I have trouble with Allah's viewpoint sometimes, at least he tends to stay away from the Factcheck.org role.
Posted by: Benson at May 28, 2010 08:45 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:46 AM (p302b)
Posted by: snapdragqueen at May 28, 2010 12:42 PM (t72+4)
--BTW I have not seen snappy around for almost a week. What gives?
Posted by: logprof at May 28, 2010 08:46 AM (Mmw0q)
I need to run to Sam's Club and stock up on popcorn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:47 AM (UOM48)
So, if I merely suggest to Joe Icepick that he should go see Benny about the money he owes me and Joe does what Joe does I get off scott-free?
Sweet tap-dancing Jebus you have to be brain-dead retarded to believe this makes it all good.
Not for nothing, but this is the crew that has been shitting on all sorts of laws for years--why would they have any hesitation about gutting one of the oldest common law principles, that of agent-principle law?
Posted by: jimmuy at May 28, 2010 08:47 AM (fOKRF)
Presidents who are deprived of a legacy while in office will do anything to try and get it later. That was one of the things 24 showed really well this season.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 28, 2010 08:47 AM (p05LM)
Isn't Blago an ex-gov because he tried to use cut-outs to peddle Barry's Senate seat? Get Fitzgerald stat!
Apparently the only thing that does not smell in this administration is BO. And that is because the White House staff washes him.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 28, 2010 08:48 AM (cIzmM)
--BTW I have not seen snappy around for almost a week. What gives?
Why, I'm right here honey. Thanks for askin'
Posted by: Snatch Draggin' at May 28, 2010 08:48 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:48 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2010 08:49 AM (AlWmG)
If it is discovered that Slick Willie was out of the country on that day, or that he wasn't in the same location as Sestak (if Sestak claims it was an in person offer), then this will blow the heck up in all of their faces.
I'm sure they're all deviously smart enough to figure all this out, but sometimes hubris will cause blindness.
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:50 AM (92zkk)
have the usual suspects (e.g., David Brooks) weighed in on this and said it's much ado about nothing?
Posted by: Dr Benton Quest at May 28, 2010 08:50 AM (OZ0pi)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:51 AM (p302b)
some sort of pony tailed non-troversy?
Posted by: taylork at May 28, 2010 08:52 AM (0Hn5w)
have the usual suspects (e.g., David Brooks) weighed in on this and said it's much ado about nothing?
Posted by: Dr Benton Quest at May 28, 2010 12:50 PM (OZ0pi)
Well it's not like Obama showed up at the White House less-than-nattily attired. Perspective please, people.
Posted by: D. Brooks at May 28, 2010 08:52 AM (1fanL)
But Sestak said he was offered A JOB. A JOB means money. Sestak did not say that he was offered a POSITION (non-specific). Therefore, although Barry gets the White House out of the loop on the offer, they are still calling Sestak a LIAR!
Doesn't Barry need all the senate votes he can get? OR has Barry already written off a Democratic senate win in Pennsylvania this fall? In which case, there is no political fallout from calling Sestak a LIAR!
Matter of fact, might there not be some "unspecified" HELP given to the Republican candidate at Sestak's expense?
After all, to protect THE ONE, many have been thrown under the bus.
Posted by: GarandFan at May 28, 2010 08:52 AM (6mwMs)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:52 AM (UOM48)
Why is the thread catching?
Rules are rules.
The 'New Guy' catches the first few games. Unless I call for the 'Double Switch'!
Posted by: Captain Andy Sullivan at May 28, 2010 08:52 AM (9EUvT)
Posted by: sherlock at May 28, 2010 08:53 AM (fKPuo)
So...either Sestak is lying with the "I was offered the Sec of Navy" bs or the White House is lying.
Time to go find all those old hippies who bitched about Nixon when I was a kid and remind them of their own logic "its not the crime - its that he lied" line.
Oh, and I agree with Empire of Jeff. Fuck you - 52%
Posted by: Mallamutt at May 28, 2010 08:53 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: The Intellectually Curious Media at May 28, 2010 08:53 AM (+6fgE)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:54 AM (p302b)
there's not enough popcorn and beer in jersey to get me through the summer.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 28, 2010 12:36 PM (pr+up)
Then you don't have to eat popcorn. I won't go so far with beer, though.
Posted by: Gov. Christie at May 28, 2010 08:55 AM (pUfK9)
I'm telling you, this is the precursor to hillary breaking out.
Agreed Curious. What do you think her "principled stand" that "forces" her to resign will be?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 08:55 AM (cniXs)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 12:46 PM (p302b)
For a long time now I've been convinced that the election of 2012 will be a virtual re-play of the election of 1968 with Hillary playing both Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey to Obama's LBJ.
The only question was who or what would play the role of Viet Nam. Looks like that will be an amalgam of the oil spill, Sestak, and a rotten economy...
Posted by: Nighthawk at May 28, 2010 08:55 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:55 AM (p302b)
All they've done is, drag more players in and compound the lie.
Muddying the waters so all the rats can make a break for it.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 28, 2010 08:56 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: sherlock at May 28, 2010 08:56 AM (fKPuo)
Posted by: Monty at May 28, 2010 08:56 AM (4Pleu)
They asked me for "current (today)" numbers, so I gave them to them. But those numbers came in too low, so now they want the full year's numbers which will be higher. I've given them both on the same spreadsheet.
If it's a formula grant and they use the latter's numbers then it's illegal and fraudulent. Still looking into how the thing is funded, but I'm very uneasy about this.
Posted by: taylork at May 28, 2010 08:56 AM (0Hn5w)
Posted by: Paladin at May 28, 2010 08:56 AM (AfORa)
These people are a danger to the future of our country. Can we trade them to Cuba or Venezuela for some hard-working, freedom-seeking people?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 08:57 AM (UOM48)
The only question was who or what would play the role of Viet Nam. Looks like that will be an amalgam of the oil spill, Sestak, and a rotten economy...
Do you think we are just acting up because its a slow news day.............
Posted by: North Korea at May 28, 2010 08:57 AM (hKyl0)
The plot thickens.
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 08:57 AM (92zkk)
I could swear I've heard that line somewhere before. Hmm....
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 28, 2010 08:58 AM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: maddogg at May 28, 2010 08:58 AM (OlN4e)
I have learned when the hair on my neck starts going up and when I"m "uneasy" to listen to my body. I probably would contact an attorney at this point to make sure they can implicate me in any way. This way, the attorney can guide me in the letters I need to write and the steps I need to take to make sure when the SHTF and it will as the DOJ is really on their toes these days, you won't be involved.
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 08:59 AM (p302b)
I am (kinduv) confused.
Who's the pimp, and who plays the whore?
Let me be clear: pimpin ain't easy. Now, all you tax paying hos, get back to work. Mac Daddy Barry needs his money - bitch.
Posted by: Pimp Daddy Barry, keeping his pimp hand strong! at May 28, 2010 08:59 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 12:57 PM (UOM4
Funny part is that if you send these idiots to a leftist thugocracy, they'll probably become hard-working and freedom-loving in short order.
Posted by: FUBAR at May 28, 2010 09:00 AM (1fanL)
Agreed Curious. What do you think her "principled stand" that "forces" her to resign will be?
Chelsea Breaks a Leg at Pimlico. They need to put her down. Hillary needs to take time off to heal.
Posted by: garrett at May 28, 2010 09:00 AM (9EUvT)
No. They should be placed in front of mile long ditches, shot in the back of the head with a small caliber bullet, covered over, and the bill sent to their families.
Posted by: Barbarian at May 28, 2010 09:00 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: The Bus of Obama at May 28, 2010 09:01 AM (92zkk)
re: #187. Seems they swap off on roles and spit.
#186. Nice. Sestak is striking back. Forcing Barry and his allies to either make amends or keep slandering Sestak. Ah Dems, they are such nice people. Not.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 28, 2010 09:01 AM (cIzmM)
Posted by: King Barry on Vacay at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (UOM48)
The wedding is coming. think she will just say she realizes how important family is, she has given all she can for the country and now it is time for her to step down and take a well deserved break. (to prepare for the coming election)
abc news saying "an internal memo show the WH tried to get joe sestak to drop his bid for the senate seat"....who wrote the memo? who received the memo?
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 09:02 AM (p302b)
Chaos continues unabated.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Barack the Avenger at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (Wq5A3)
Megyn is hitting off on this now.
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (7EDH5)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 28, 2010 09:03 AM (AlWmG)
And we are supposed to believe that Sestak would drop his Senate bid for some unpaid desk job on some obscure advisory board?
Last point. If this really IS the truth, why did it take weeks to co me out with it? Why didn't they just say this from the start? C'mon Team Obama, you can do better than this. If ur not guilty, why are you acting so guilty?
Posted by: mitchellvii@yahoo.com at May 28, 2010 09:04 AM (kEBiX)
Unpossible! The Reverend Wright is banned from the White House.
Posted by: damian at May 28, 2010 09:04 AM (4WbTI)
(However the laws shows it as a misdemeanor)
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 09:05 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 09:05 AM (92zkk)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 28, 2010 09:05 AM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 28, 2010 09:06 AM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Arlen Spector at May 28, 2010 09:06 AM (AfORa)
He is also trashing them on the "everyone does it" meme.
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 09:07 AM (6taRI)
Nevertheless, the denver post story has rahm's second in command asking romanoff directly about a position in the admin. that one isn't as easy for them.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 28, 2010 09:07 AM (7VvJB)
now it is time for her to step down and take a well deserved break.
Nope. Doesn't provide the needed narrative for challenging zero in 2012.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 09:07 AM (cniXs)
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 09:07 AM (92zkk)
"....who wrote the memo? who received the memo?
What makes this memo legit, and not just another prop like the bent one?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 09:09 AM (cniXs)
It appears that he has already coordinated the story with the WH because the current story doesn't jive with what he said earlier.
Posted by: Vic at May 28, 2010 09:09 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: Buffalobob at May 28, 2010 09:09 AM (zmgty)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (UOM48)
210 Megyn reading the law on screen now, it is a crime as they describe it.
(However the laws shows it as a misdemeanor)
Impeachment and removal from office for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," baby!
Will anyone in Congress besides Issa have the stones to pursue this?
Posted by: Marybeth at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (hBRoa)
now it is time for her to step down and take a well deserved break.
Nope. Doesn't provide the needed narrative for challenging zero in 2012.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 28, 2010 01:07 PM (cniXs)"
If it were anyone else but hillary I might agree with you but since it is hillary she can do or say whatever she wants. Ultimately she can say she did not want to be critical of the president at the time as it was in the best interests of the country. And they would all buy it.
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 28, 2010 09:10 AM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 28, 2010 09:12 AM (UOM48)
Megyn covered my nuts in an inappropriate manner.
Posted by: Will "nubag" Folks at May 28, 2010 09:12 AM (6taRI)
I don't think they think we are all idiots. I think they just really don't care what we think as evidenced by 71% of Americans not wanting the HC bill and them passing it anyway. They feel we can do nothing about it anyway and if they have to deal with it, this is the story, if you don't like it, tough, cause that is all you are going to get. They don't feel "accountable to the American people" like other administrations...and really they haven't been so why should they start now?
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 09:14 AM (p302b)
This is not a hill we want to die on at this time.
Posted by: 1st Party Boss at May 28, 2010 09:15 AM (6taRI)
We don't want to appear too mean at this time so this not the proper time to fight this battle.
Posted by: 2nd Party Boss at May 28, 2010 09:16 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: runningrn at May 28, 2010 09:16 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Intrepid at May 28, 2010 09:16 AM (92zkk)
How fucking stupid do these assholes think we are? I'm sure that someone in the MFM will go after this.
Posted by: Hedgehog at May 28, 2010 09:17 AM (oQIfB)
hahhaha Rush talking about how the brothers of dems are always thrown to the wolves. Too funny, rush has a long list...
Yes, he is absolutely en fuego! I lol'd when he said "The most dangerous position to be other than the #3 in Al Qaeda is a Brother in the Democrat party"--heh!
Posted by: runningrn at May 28, 2010 09:27 AM (CfmlF)
abc news saying "an internal memo show the WH tried to get joe sestak to drop his bid for the senate seat"....who wrote the memo? who received the memo?
Posted by: curious at May 28, 2010 01:02 PM (p302b)
HRC looked like hell on TV today. I mean worse than usual.
Posted by: baldilocks at May 28, 2010 09:30 AM (Wq5A3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2010 09:34 AM (7EDH5)
Couldn't that be considered to be "indirect"?
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 28, 2010 10:56 AM (gjUVx)
I just heard. Gary Coleman passed away.
Speaking as a 42 year old man who is a mere 5'2" in height who had health probblems as a youth all I can say is I felt for him and I will miss him.
Posted by: Aaron at May 28, 2010 11:08 AM (XUIJ5)
By the time Sestak's current congressional term expires (Jan 2011), he'll have been out for more than five years.
But then, that makes it necessary for us to believe that POTARD can be trusted to keep his word. He's really the kind of guy where you want to not let go of the money till you have the goods in your other hand...
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at May 28, 2010 11:28 AM (9uSk0)
Posted by: Stu at May 28, 2010 12:09 PM (J+Yrz)
Posted by: Ken James at May 28, 2010 01:22 PM (w91MW)
Posted by: Ken James at May 28, 2010 01:36 PM (w91MW)
What if this all is a set up of Obama by the Clintons? Some oddities. Sestak "lets it slip" several times that he was contacted by someone in the White House with a possible job offer. OK, useful to get Spector out of the way, but Im sure Sestak knew he was playing with fire. Then Sestak mentions it AGAIN after he wins the primary. Why? No political gain here.
All play coy... and really they just should have kept this up until the press got tired of it.
Barack under fire from several sources.... the oil spill makes it more so. Clinton, who just happens to be not a member of the administration (officially) has lunch with Barack and all of a sudden the "real" story comes out and Bill's in the middle of it. The story poses far more and far more dangerous questions then keeping mum was.
I can just image the conversation at that lunch. Bill: "Hey, look. Youre in hot water over Sestak. Why dont you let me take the heat for it. They cant do anything to me legally. In return you can help Hillary out with her campaign debt"
Barack jumps as he is desperate, overtired and frankly no match for a political animal such as Bill.
Do you really think the Clinton's have forgiven Barack for taking "Hillary's" nomination from her and do you think they are above screwing over the Dem party for their own interests? Might getting Barack impeach help Hillary have another chance in 2012?
If Im anywhere close to right, my only question is if Bill really was the one who contacted Sestak. The same arguments could be made, but Bill could also be manipulating Sestak as well.
Lets see if Hillary's finances improve or if Bill suddenly turns witness against Obama.
Posted by: Leigh T at May 28, 2010 01:44 PM (CCnOk)
But then, you say to yourself, "Sestak said he got a call from the White House offering him a high-ranking federal job if he would drop out of the primary and not run against Specter."
You note that it's taken the administration WEEKS to come up with the explanation that Bill Clinton called Sestak and asked if he'd be interested in an unpaid "advisory" position. If the story were real, and as benign as indicated, Gibbs would certainly have used it to respond to the press corps when they were pressing for information on Sestak's allegations.
So you ask yourself, "Is Bill Clinton typically a go-to guy for the White House? Does this Administration seek him out for recommendations on staffing or policy? Does Mr. Clinton --who is NOT a member of this Administration-- have any authority to hire or appoint somebody to any sort of federal office?" You have to answer "No."
You also ask, "Is an ambitious politician like Sestak going to NOT RUN for public office in order to take a non-paying "advisory position" somewhere in the bowels of this Administration?" You have to answer "No" again.
Finally you wonder, "What's up with this new 'Bill Clinton offers "advisory position" to Sestak' story, anyway?" The only answer that makes sense: "Bill Clinton isn't tied to the White House and President Obama. Also, an unpaid position means that nothing "of value" was offered in exchange for Sestak dropping out of the race." How convenient. This Clinton story takes Sestak's tale of pressure to abandon the race out of "impeachable actions" territory.
Sooooo--- I don't believe a word of it.
THEY ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH.
Wonder what Sestak held out for??? (the "little something" that persuaded him to agree it was Clinton in the dining room with the lead pipe --er, no, wrong clue to the wrong game-- to agree it was Clinton on the phone with a non-paying advisory position.)
And what about Mr. Clinton? Is there an ambassadorship being lined up for him even as we speak? (Absolutely NOT tied to his taking responsibility for "the Sestak flap", of course. We wouldn't even THINK of looking for some kind of tit-for-tat arrangement, nossir. Ummm, is there any way we could find out if he's suddenly received, say, fifty offers to speak at various universities for, oh, let's say a hundred-thousand dollars each? Just curious, you know.... )
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 28, 2010 02:09 PM (hq0VE)
First, Sestak's new story is consistent w/ the WH's. Thus he's confirming their version, which means he's not a threat.
Second, the "official" cover story is plausible enough for the 52% that voted for Da Won. And the purported text of Clinton's "feeler" is entirely non-incriminating. It supports the idea that the WH was just sounding out the possibility of Sestak taking an advisory position on a board, due to his military background.
Third, the purported conversation would have been far enough in the past that no one could be expected to recall it exactly, so you won't be able to trip 'em up if there are contradictory answers on details.
But don't give up--their arrogance will yet sink 'em.
Posted by: sf at May 28, 2010 03:27 PM (eSMQV)
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