1 makes me wonder what the naturalization process entails and whether we properly vet those that want to become citizens. 

2 I feel like the chicken.

3

Unclear on the concept.  At proceedings like this, you don't want to make big political statements.  And if you're going to say anything other than "Guilty" or "Not guilty," you want to say something that expresses contrition -- whether real or feigned.

I guess it's a good thing that these guys are so very vocally proud of their vocation for jihad.  It makes it easier to get them to reveal important information.

4 When is ace coming back? Gabe makes me want to die

5 What was in this car bomb that qualifies it as a WMD??

6 "Yes," said Shahzad, and then said he wanted to plead guilty and 100 times more," because he wanted the U.S. to know it will continue to suffer attacks if it does not leave Iraq and Afghanistan and stop drone strikes in Pakistan.

Why is that so unreasonable?  He's telling you wingnuts that they will leave us alone if we leave them alone! How many more dead terrorists freedom fighters do you want??????

7

On that one day in April, according to records obtained by ABC 15, Homeland Security officials were holding inmates from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, and the Sudan.

“They’re coming from all over,” Arizona Senator Jon Kyl said. “And one wonders whether some of them are coming in here to commit acts of terror.”

Kyl has been tracking the problem since 2002, not long after the September 11 attacks. Since that time, according to an investigation by the House Committee on Homeland Security, intelligence officials have determined members of the terror group Hezbollah have already infiltrated the U.S. by crossing at the southern border.

ICE officials told congressional investigators, undocumented immigrants were smuggled from the Middle East to staging areas in Central and South America, before being smuggled into the U.S.

The report says officials are also concerned about Venezuela emerging as a terrorist “hub,” with the government there issuing travel documents that can be used to obtain a U.S. visa.

Border patrol agents have also recovered military-style patches on clothing near the border. One patch contains the word “martyr” in Arabic. Another depicts a plane appearing to fly into sky scrapers.

8

Link

http://tinyurl.com/337lkjb

 

9 I just came by to say: fuck you Purple Avenger for denying the Armenian Holocaust and licking genocidal Muslim ass. Khaiza.

10 What was in this car bomb that qualifies it as a WMD??

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:22 PM (J7Hjj)

Love.

11 Future senior White House advisor. Or federal court nominee.

12

"Yes," said Shahzad, and then said he wanted to plead guilty and 100 times more," because he wanted the U.S. to know it will continue to suffer attacks if it does not leave Iraq and Afghanistan and stop drone strikes in Pakistan.

Does this patriot have a newsletter?

 

13 What was in this car bomb that qualifies it as a WMD??

The bomb itself, all of those idiots mailing bags of powder need to be told that threatening to use a WMD is the same as doing so.

14 What was in this car bomb that qualifies it as a WMD??

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:22 PM (J7Hjj)

A car bomb is technically a weapon of mass destruction because it's designed to kill multiple people.  It's the same reasoning that leads to snipers and school shooters being called mass murderers, even if their body count is very small compared to a CBN attack.

15 Presidential pardon in 5...4...3...2....

16 What was in this car bomb that qualifies it as a WMD??

It's the difference between the language lawyers use amongst themselves and actual English/American.  In this case, the bomb (like any bomb) affects an area and as such is designated a WMD. 

17

Does this patriot have a newsletter?

Posted by: Lynne Stewart at June 21, 2010 06:24 PM (0pYSi)

I wonder more whether he has a useable vein.  It's sad when they have to do a cutdown in order to get the needle in.

18 So, is this Gabe Malor Monday part of the new, "I don't care.  I don't.  I just don't care" AoSHQ?

19
William Amos #8.

comforting.  Obama insists we need Amnesty first before we can help our porous border.  Creating democrat voters on the welfare dole is more important.

20

Border security is for losers!

http://bit.ly/bJnHeV

President Obama is refusing to secure the border until Congress reaches a breakthrough on comprehensive immigration reform, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl said at a recent town hall meeting.

21 Explain to me again about why vigilante justice is bad?

22 Give me five minutes with him and a pair of pliers.

23 "The bomb itself, all of those idiots mailing bags of powder need to be told that threatening to use a WMD is the same as doing so.
Posted by: Jean"

It has long been the U.S. policy to consider WMDs as being either Nuclear, Biological or Chemical in nature.  It's my understanding that this was just a basic explosive device with none of the above listed components. 

So, is there something we weren't told about the make up of the device, or is this "WMD" claim just puffery in favor of the retards in charge??

24 A Weapon of Mass Destruction? So the government's accused you of using a weapon designed to blow up Catholic gatherings? That's a pretty bigoted charge. I think there's a loophole we can work.

25 Woooo.... I thought this guy was a right winger, racist, teabagger mad about his mortgage payment.

26 22 Explain to me again about why vigilante justice is bad?

Posted by: dagny at June 21, 2010 06:32 PM (uCq1g)

Anything that really empowers the populace scares the hell out of the government.

27 BREAKING: Times Square Bomber Shahzad Pleads Guilty

He pleaded, "Fuckin' A, I'm guilty."

There is nothing to appeal. Fry him, although, he really deserves a brazen bull.

28 14 A car bomb is technically a weapon of mass destruction because it's designed to kill multiple people.
__________________

And here I thought only a nuke could be a WMD because it, you know, destroys mass.

29 #9

WTF??

30 So, is there something we weren't told about the make up of the device, or is this "WMD" claim just puffery in favor of the retards in charge??

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:34 PM (J7Hjj)

This insane definition of WMD gives the feral government MUCH more power, since WMDs are the linchpins for lots of anti-terror laws.  This is very dangerous and I have been shocked that people have generally let it slip by.  It's raw insanity.

31 He pleaded, "Fuckin' A, I'm guilty."

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 21, 2010 06:35 PM (Qp4DT)

I believe the accurate phrase would be:  Guilty as sin.  Fry my ass.

32 He sounded distraught about the foreclosure on his house! /sarc

33

Love.

Posted by: Cat Stevens at June 21, 2010 06:23 PM


*snort*

34 A living, breathing example of evil.

35 Hmm, one truck bomb is a WMD, but Saddam Hussein had no WMDs.

36 If I had to guess, twenty five cents, I would guess that he is pleading guilty because of a homegrown political agenda (one that you would act alone in) that doesnÂ’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything that would cause Shahzad to set off a bomb in Times Square.

37 33 He sounded distraught about the foreclosure on his house!

/sarc

Obviously, he lost his big fat cat Wallstreet job because of George Bush.. became enraged about that.. joined the racist teabaggers and .. there ya go.

38 The top-secret T-shirt Vendor National Security Initiative worked.

39 Pled guilty, eh? Under a Repub. Admin., it'd be a "forced confession obtained by torture".

40 Pled guilty, eh?
Under a Repub. Admin., it'd be a "forced confession obtained by torture".

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 21, 2010 06:44 PM (TQUd0)

Bush made me confess!!!!

41
After you F it up, just change the name.

42 Mix a little pig blood into that lethal injection. Be sure he knows it.

43 didn't they say he had a wife and kids?  I mean did he hate being married and a father that much?

44

And here I thought only a nuke could be a WMD because it, you know, destroys mass.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 21, 2010 06:36 PM (3K4hn)

Any bomb that detonates in a cathedral can destroy Mass.  Or at least disrupt the heck out of it.

45 OT: Sounds like Krauthammer's on board with the "shakedown" meme (catch the Special Report panel later if you're not watching now).

46

Gabe,

I know we give you a hard time, but thanks for all the work on what I am assuming was a day off.

 

47 Hmm, one truck bomb is a WMD,
but Saddam Hussein had no WMDs.

Posted by: USA

Funny how that work out now that a demoncrap is "in charge", hmm??

WMD in this case = Puffery

48

"Yes," said Shahzad, and then said he wanted to plead guilty and 100 times more," because he wanted the U.S. to know it will continue to suffer attacks if it does not leave Iraq and Afghanistan and stop drone strikes in Pakistan.

Does this patriot have a newsletter?

 

Posted by: Lynne Stewart at June 21, 2010 06:24 PM (0pYSi)

I think he and Helen Thomas issue a joint newsletter.  Her half is entitled "The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword" and his half is entitled "No It Isn't."

49 OT: Sounds like Krauthammer's on board with the "shakedown" meme (catch the Special Report panel later if you're not watching now).

Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2010 06:48 PM (Xsi7M)

I missed what he said, but how could anyone not recognize it?  I am surprised that no one is mentioning the initial threat that BP would have to suspend its dividends.  That was the first move, that was totally un-American and indicated what was to come.  Does everyone forget this?

50 I don't know, maybe it's just me, but "Death Penalty" has such a nice ring to it?

51 Definition of "Weapon of Mass Destruction"

At least, according to U.S. law:

18 U.S.C. 2332a (2) the term "weapon of mass destruction" means— (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title; (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;

18 U.S.C. 921 (4) The term "destructive device" means— (A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas— (i) bomb, (ii) grenade, (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (v) mine, or (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses; (B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and (C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.

The term "destructive device" shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684 (2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Attorney General finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.

This is a very broad definition, and one that involves the intention of the weapon's creator as well as the details of the weapon itself.

52 He needs to be put in a small cell, no windows, with 24/7 blaring speakers of "I'm on the top of the world looking down on creation....." by Karen Carpenter.  He'll crack after a week.

53 15 Presidential pardon in 5...4...3...2.... DO NOT even joke about that. Desperate times call for Dhimmi measures; I could totally see Obama doing that if he thought it would make us and Iran/the 'Stans besties again. Bets on this guy taking a page from the Lockerbie bomber and never living out his life sentence?

54 I don't know, maybe it's just me, but "Death Penalty" has such a nice ring to it?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 21, 2010 06:53 PM (U5btG)

I prefer "capital punishment."  "I say, Chauncey, hanging was a capital punishment!"

55 He needs to be put in a small cell, no windows, with 24/7 blaring speakers of "I'm on the top of the world looking down on creation....." by Karen Carpenter. He'll crack after a week. Posted by: Intrepid at June 21, 2010 06:54 PM (92zkk) OK but ya mean Rosie O'Donnal never cut an album?

56 "...but how could anyone not recognize it?  I am surprised that no one is mentioning the initial threat that BP would have to suspend its dividends."

John Boner, white courtesy phone...  John Boner, white courtesy phone...

57

I missed what he said, but how could anyone not recognize it?  I am surprised that no one is mentioning the initial threat that BP would have to suspend its dividends.  That was the first move, that was totally un-American and indicated what was to come.  Does everyone forget this?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 21, 2010 06:51 PM (Qp4DT)

I believe BP has suspended its dividend.

58 "18 U.S.C. 2332a (2) the term "weapon of mass destruction" means— (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title; (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;..."

Lemme put that thru the Legalese - English translation matrix..

*beepboopwhirrwhistleclangbeep*

Here we go - WMD = NBC.

59 John Boner, white courtesy phone...  John Boner, white courtesy phone...
Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:55 PM

Give Ham on five, hold the Mayo!

60 OK but ya mean Rosie O'Donnal never cut an album?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 21, 2010 06:55 PM (U5btG)

She did better than that.

61 54 He needs to be put in a small cell, no windows, with 24/7 blaring speakers of "I'm on the top of the world looking down on creation....." by Karen Carpenter.  He'll crack after a week.

Posted by: Intrepid at June 21, 2010 06:54 PM (92zkk)

Haha...

62 Give *me* Ham on...

oh, never mind.

63 @57 "OK but ya mean Rosie O'Donnal never cut an album?"

Ok, so Rosie should cut a "Karen Carpenter's Greatest Hits" CD and they can play that rendition.  Karen did have a very nice low voice, so having Rosie's rusty, nasally pipes delivering the "tunes" would be a hell of a spankin'.

64 I told you in 1179 we should have killed all those fuckers.

65 Here we go - WMD = NBC.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:59 PM (J7Hjj)

Except that Section 921 says:

18 U.S.C. 921 (4) The term "destructive device" means— (A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas— (i) bomb, (ii) grenade, (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (v) mine, or (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;

The Federal definition of WMD includes hand grenades, RPGs, and any sort of bomb.

66

I believe BP has suspended its dividend.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 06:57 PM (7AOgy)

Of course. I was pointing out that that was the first angle of attack the administration took, and that was a very un-AMerican, odd thing for the Executive branch to do. Now, they act as if they just "set up a relief fund", as if their call for BP to stop paying dividends was totally outside of any position the Executive branch should ever even be considering. The $20 billion shakedown was just the continuation of that, but the threat against the dividends (that BP certainly succumbed to) is the clear smoking gun in this whole pathetic affair. Yet, none of the conservatives have bothered talking about it since the "shakedown" comment caused a spastic reaction by the squishes.

67 "Yes," said Shahzad, and then said he wanted to plead guilty and 100 times more," because he wanted the U.S. to know it will continue to suffer attacks if it does not leave Iraq and Afghanistan and stop drone strikes in Pakistan.

Too bad we can't execute him 100 times more.

68 Stu, go back and re-read what you posted - it says that WMD has one definition and "destructive device" has another.  The statute says that a WMD has to have a NBC component.  A "destructive device" w/o a NBC component does not a WMD make.

69 Too bad we can't execute him 100 times more. Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 21, 2010 07:04 PM (c0A3e) Too bad we can't even execute him even once

70 I fully support life in prison for little shits like this, so long as that life is warranted to not last beyond 45 minutes or so.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at June 21, 2010 07:02 PM (wOtDN)

There was a time when you could rely on a certain class of hardened inmate to still be patriotic enough to give traitors a swift and lethal dose of justice -- say, in the chow line or behind the dryers in the laundry.

71

She did better than that.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 06:59 PM (7AOgy)

Dude, that's just wrong.

72 Does it not know our pull out dates? Posted by: CDR M at June 21, 2010 07:06 PM (5I8G0) HIs father should have pulled out of his mother a seconds earlier. Even so I bet the best part of him dripped down his fathers leg

73 Now how can we go about freeing this warrior?

74

Stu, go back and re-read what you posted - it says that WMD has one definition and "destructive device" has another.  The statute says that a WMD has to have a NBC component.  A "destructive device" w/o a NBC component does not a WMD make.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 07:06 PM (J7Hjj)

Sorry, but no.  The very section you quoted clearly states that any destructive device defined in section 921 is, for purposes of the US Code, a "weapon of mass destruction."  To be WMD under the US Code, a weapon has to meet at least one of the four criteria: "destructive device" per Sec. 921, chemical, biological OR nuclear.  Any one of the four will do.

18 U.S.C. 2332a (2) the term "weapon of mass destruction" means— (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title; (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;

75 I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood will hook him up in the joint. Posted by: CDR M at June 21, 2010 07:10 PM (5I8G0) Anybody got the E-Mail for the Aryan Brotherhood?

76

Dude, that's just wrong.

Posted by: Timbo at June 21, 2010 07:07 PM (ph9vn)

To be fair, she didn't know she was going to be a bipolar lesbian back then.  Of course, it's bizarre that Garry Marshall decided to turn an Anne Rice BDSM novel into a comedy with Dan Ackroyd and Rosie O'Donnell.  If Ms. Rice hadn't sold the rights to Exit to Eden before her vampire novels became massive hits in book and film form, the movie version would have been very, very different.

77 See?  This is what happens if you vote for a rag-head like Nikki Haley!

78 OK, I took my own advise and re-read the statute.  All us bitter clingers are probably in possession of WMDs, especially if you have a .68 caliber Kentucky Rifle...

Sheessh....

79 Sheessh....

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 07:14 PM (J7Hjj)

Wasn't it nice of them to exclude shotgun shells from the definition?  But it's sad that we're not allowed to set Claymore mines around the perimeter of our survival compounds.  (And I am only half-joking about that.)

80 Oooo I guess your wingnuts are SCARED of this guy.  Wetting your pants.  I say let him go, unless you're scared of one little man.

81 This is what happens if you vote for a rag-head like Nikki Haley!

Posted by: Jake Knotts, R-SC, Senator at June 21, 2010 07:14 PM (92zkk)

I hit dat

82 Oooo I guess your wingnuts are SCARED of this guy. Wetting your pants. I say let him go, unless you're scared of one little man. Posted by: Z Liberal at June 21, 2010 07:18 PM (cMo6P) I think your right. Now what gate and at what time will he be released?

83 Isn't some sort of contrition required of a guilty plea?

84
I would marry Nikki Haley just for the opportunity to look under her dot.  You never know, she could be concealing a 7-11!

85 "...we're not allowed to set Claymore mines around the perimeter of our survival compounds."

We're not??  I think I have some "yard" work to do...

86 Explain to me again about why vigilante justice is bad?

Because the shit has not yet hit the fan.

87 86 Oooo I guess your wingnuts are SCARED of this guy.  Wetting your pants.  I say let him go, unless you're scared of one little man.

Then you're going to let him bunk with you until he finds other arrangements?

88 That criminal model of terrorism is really working out. 

89 Shahzad had better start practicing 'drop the soap' now.

90 at the rate the economy is going He will eat better than the rest of us.

91 I would marry Nikki Haley just for the opportunity to look under her dot.  You never know, she could be concealing a 7-11!

Posted by: Fish at June 21, 2010 07:22 PM (v1gw3)

Good Lord - if she becomes the Governor of South Carolina, I shudder to think what will happen when Joe Biden drops in on the National Governors Association convention and tries to order a Slurpee from her!

92 O/T but important -
Any morons living in CA Senate 15 district, (Abel Maldonado's seat) please vote tomorrow in the so-called 'open' primary.  The 'general' election is set for August 17, but only if no candidate gets over 50% of the vote. 

This seat is crucial for the CA GOP.  If it goes blue, the State Senate will have a veto-proof 2/3 Dem majority.  (Haven't we Cali conservatives suffered enough?)

PLEASE VOTE AND GET EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO VOTE.
Sam Blakeslee is the GOP candidate.

93 so how much will it cost to keep him clothed, fed, warm, tv, library and computers for free.

94 Oooo I guess your wingnuts are SCARED of this guy.  Wetting your pants.  I say let him go, unless you're scared of one little man.

Posted by: Z Liberal at June 21, 2010 07:18 PM (cMo6P)

This, from the people who crapped their BVDs anytime anyone even whispered the name "Karl Rove."

95

The Federal definition of WMD includes hand grenades, RPGs, and any sort of bomb.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 07:02 PM (7AOgy)

every now and then when drinking and playing horseshoes i let one fly that makes my buddies scatter like i threw a hand grenade.

96

at the rate the economy is going He will eat better than the rest of us.

 

I believe the prison population will be the first 'social program' that will be cut loose once TSHTF. 

97 And yet another report claiming that Pakistan continues to fund, arm and train terror groups - this one from the RAND Corporation.  (I wonder if my ex-wife still works there.)

98

 

I believe the prison population will be the first 'social program' that will be cut loose once TSHTF. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 21, 2010 07:36 PM (yQWNf)

Perhaps right into our cities... except the most egregious criminals like tea party folks and returning vets. (half joking)

99 I just came by to say: fuck you Purple Avenger for denying the Armenian Holocaust and licking genocidal Muslim ass. Khaiza.

Posted by: Juicer at June 21, 2010 06:23 PM (A+Hub)

Yeah...and show us yer tits PA!!

100 I'll feel nice, warm and fuzzy inside knowing that this turd licker is going to be indoctrinating fellow prisoners.

Yup...he'll be preaching away in prison...24/7 converting criminals...that have a beef with you....and me..that will be released...eventually.

101

you know what i'd like to see. Chris Mathews  a fake journalist , spitting mad ,yelling about Terrorists Yeah i said Terrorists in our country that happen to be Muslim trying to effect  poor Obama's gvt, policies while trying to kill americans.

I mean have him put as much hate into that as He does regular Americans peacefully protesting.

Hell i might even forgive Him a bit, if he'd would just gothehellaway.

102 OT: Obama tells supporters to get behind whatever energy bill he can get passed.

103

Hell i might even forgive Him a bit, if he'd would just gothehellaway.

Not me.

104 Yup...he'll be preaching away in prison...24/7 converting criminals...that have a beef with you....and me..that will be released...eventually.

Posted by: JavaJoe at June 21, 2010 07:45 PM (e9JZd)

I think that even in SuperMax, they let Muslim prisoners get together for certain prayers.  Really a bad idea, if that's so.

105 Yup...he'll be preaching away in prison...24/7 converting criminals...that have a beef with you....and me..that will be released...eventually. Posted by: JavaJoe at June 21, 2010 07:45 PM (e9JZd) I think that even in SuperMax, they let Muslim prisoners get together for certain prayers. Really a bad idea, if that's so. Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 07:49 PM (7AOgy) AND ON OUR DIME

106 "58 "...but how could anyone not recognize it?  I am surprised that no one is mentioning the initial threat that BP would have to suspend its dividends."

John Boner, white courtesy phone...  John Boner, white courtesy phone...

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at June 21, 2010 06:55 PM (J7Hjj)"

Why is it always a "white" courtesy phone, why is it never a "black" courtesy phone....can a black phone be courteous too?  Racism...in reverse....

107

Oh, and let's recall how some prisoners in the UK are converting to Islam for the "perks":

Some prisoners believe they will receive "material benefits" such as more time out of their cell and better food during Ramadan if they become Muslim, the report by the Chief Inspector of Prisons said.

Among the reasons given by inmates for switching to Islam was the opportunity of "support and protection in a group with a powerful identity" and "perceptions of material advantages of identifying as Muslim".

Some criminals – known as "convenience Muslims" – adopt the religion in order to get benefits available only to Muslims according to Dame Anne Owers.

Her report, entitled Muslim Prisoners' Experiences, also suggests Muslim prisoners are being driven to extremism because they are all treated as potential radicals while in jail.

The treatment of Muslim inmates by the Prison Service risks a "self-fulfilling prophecy" of leaving them alienated and disaffected, Dame Owers warned.

She said the "blanket security-led" approach, which focuses only on tackling Muslim extremism and not individual or faith needs, means the prisoners are more likely to reoffend or embrace extremism once back in the community.

However, prison staff fear some prisoners are being forced to convert to Islam by radical inmates while other Muslims are being pressured to adopt a more extreme version of the faith, the report revealed.

108 Why do I always get the 2am calls?

Posted by: Red Emergency Phone at June 21, 2010 07:52 PM (5I8G0)

'Cause you da HOTLINE, baby!

109

do prisons monitor the imans ?

110 AND ON OUR DIME

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 21, 2010 07:50 PM (U5btG)

Here's a guy who's at least honest about it.

Va. Inmate: 'Only Way to Stop Me' Is Death Row

Prisoner who killed cellmate says 'the only way to stop me is death row,' vows not to appeal

For seven days, Robert Gleason Jr. begged correctional officers and counselors at Wallens Ridge State Prison to move his new cellmate. The constant singing, screaming and obnoxious behavior were too much, and Gleason knew he was ready to snap.

On the eighth day — May 8, 2009 — correctional officers found 63-year-old Harvey Gray Watson Jr. bound, gagged, beaten and strangled. His death went unnoticed for 15 hours because correctional officers had not followed proper procedure for inmate head counts at the high-security prison in southwestern Virginia.

Now, Gleason says he'll kill again if he isn't put to death for killing Watson, who had a history of mental illness. And he says his next victim won't be an inmate.

"I murdered that man cold-bloodedly. I planned it, and I'm gonna do it again," the 40-year-old Gleason told The Associated Press. "Someone needs to stop it. The only way to stop me is put me on death row."

Gleason already is serving a life sentence for killing another man. He fired his lawyers last month — they were trying to work out a deal to keep him from getting the death penalty — so he could plead guilty to capital murder. He's vowed not to appeal his sentence if the judge sentences him to death Aug. 31.

111 120do prisons monitor the imans ?

Probably not as well as they should, in case of "religious discrimination" claims.

112 He's vowed not to appeal his sentence if the judge sentences him to death Aug. 31. Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 07:57 PM (7AOgy) Well can we put him in the same cell as the times square bomber?

113

I also like this story, speaking of inmates seeking a more varied diet.

French prisoner 'killed cellmate and ate his lung'

A French prisoner killed his cellmate then sliced open his chest to remove and eat his heart, a court has heard.

However, the man removed the wrong organ, and ate his lung by mistake.

Nicolas Cocaign, 39, appeared in court in the northern city of Rouen for allegedly killing Thierry Baudry in January 2007 by punching and kicking him, stabbing him with a pair of scissors and suffocating him with a rubbish bag.

Mr Cocaign then allegedly sliced open Baudry's chest with a razor blade, removed a rib and pulled out an organ which he believed was the man's heart, but which in fact was a lung.

He is accused of eating part of the lung raw and then frying the rest of it with some onions on a makeshift cooker in the cell in the Rouen prison.

"I wanted to take his soul," Mr Cocaign, who at the time of the crime was in custody awaiting trial for attempted armed robbery, allegedly told an investigating judge probing the case.

A verdict in the trial is expected on Thursday.

114 Well can we put him in the same cell as the times square bomber?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 21, 2010 07:59 PM (U5btG)

You'd think someone might make that sort of "paperwork mix-up," wouldn't you?  Actually, I hope the Times Square bomber hangs around a while and keeps shooting his mouth off about all his training experiences in Pakistan.

115

Kratos, yeah.

 

116 Why did the BP chief go yachting off the Isle of Wight while Obama was hitting white golf balls into the trees and the next fairway? Co-incidence? I think not.

Posted by: Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal at June 21, 2010 08:01 PM (IhHdM)

Yes, Tony Hayward should have insisted that the race be moved to the Isle of Diversity and Inclusiveness.  Or maybe that the Isle of Wight change its name to that for the duration of the race.

Of course, there's the whole issue of a yacht race.  Doesn't his participation in a race make him a racist?

117

Hang on.

This car with fertilizer and gas is a WMD.....

But no where in Iraq under Hussain was there any fertilizer?

So there is means nukes or biological warheads et al but here it's a crappy car and some fert?

So bush lied people died ......

It must be sooooo confusing to be a libtard.

118  (I wonder if my ex-wife still works there.)

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 07:37 PM (7AOgy)

 

I know my Dad still does.

119 #124

Ok, the real mystery here is where did he find an onion?

120 124 I bet the lung fried in onion was really tasty.One thing the French can do is cook.

121

Of course, there's the whole issue of a yacht race.  Doesn't his participation in a race make him a racist?

uh hmm,  as Obama had to  golf , wasn't everyone screaming at him to get to the Golf gulf?

it's an honest misunderstanding.

122

He is accused of eating part of the lung raw and then frying the rest of it with some onions on a makeshift cooker in the cell in the Rouen prison.

What? No wine? How gauche.

123 Bear Grylls is from the Isle of Wight.

124 Check out the picture of Obama on the golf course now on Drudge and come back and tell me he's straight.

125

there was also yellowcake found, (Iraq) but it wasn't a grade needed to be a wmd? i remembered something about it, the story wasn't clear.

maybe one of the kids had a bday coming up.

you know how that is.

126 124  That is just disgusting. Though at some point cannabalism will be accepted as an alternative lifestyle, or something.

127

80's  everyone has rights, quit being a wingnut.

some want to eat people ,don't stand in their way~!

128

It must be sooooo confusing to be a libtard.

Posted by: dagny at June 21, 2010 08:06 PM (DfwQh)

For some reason, aside from the tons of uranium ore, chemical artillery shells also didn't satisfy the MSM when it came to WMD.  But that's because they kept changing the rules.  From a MSNBC item about a find of 36 chemical mortar shells in 2004:

"President Bush said the United States was going to war to destroy IraqÂ’s weapons of mass destruction, but a nine-month search has failed to find any current stockpiles."

129

@22: "Explain to me again about why vigilante justice is bad?"

You kill off my future voters, you cracka-ass cracka.  Not that they won't vote when they are dead, they will.  They just won't vote as frequently.  Tend to donate a little less money when dead, too.  A little - the bundlers still make sure they get to contribute some, though.

130

136 Check out the picture of Obama on the golf course now on Drudge and come back and tell me he's straight.

Wow. I would call that prissy.

139 You know someone's going to say it & mean it one of these days. Actually, I think the Germans have already done it. The world's gone mad.

131 138 124  That is just disgusting. Though at some point cannabalism will be accepted as an alternative lifestyle, or something.

You're such a food-ist.  How dare you impose judgment on somebody's eating habits, especially if they are of the homo sapien variety?!

132 That is just disgusting. Though at some point cannabalism will be accepted as an alternative lifestyle, or something.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 08:12 PM (yfJ6g)

Yes, just as soon as the corporations get involved.  Like f'rinstance Soylent Corp.

133 Eating people is "green". Less waste. Lowers population growth. Smaller carbon footprint (cuts it by 1/2)

134

i have yet to see anyone weeping over the death of a potato. some even pluck out the eyes first.

135 Ok, the real mystery here is where did he find an onion?

Posted by: tangonine at June 21, 2010 08:07 PM (C8Pcc)

Look, he had a stove of some type, so he must have had regular access to (non-human) ingredients.

136

144 138 124 You're such a food-ist.  How dare you impose judgment on somebody's eating habits, especially if they are of the homo sapien variety?!

You're right. I shall repent by, uh...

/Are sackcloth & ashes ecologically friendly?

137 Worrisome prison thing is that I've worked in a few halfway houses in Newark,NJ. They are run by Islamic Brotherhood like men.

They wear those hat like things, cupcake heads.

Strict indoctrination. Large signs on the walls in large dark green letters with simple missives. All in English but their presence is there.

I'm sure I'm worried about nothing and it'll all be ok in 5-10 years.

138

i have yet to see anyone weeping over the death of a potato. some even pluck out the eyes first.

Posted by: willow at June 21, 2010 08:20 PM (HyUIR)

Indeed.  I have seen people flay the skin off a live cucumber and then rub salt into the open wound before devouring it -- along with all of the little unborn cucumber babies inside.  Cruel, heartless bastards.

139

States launch joint probe of GOOGLE Wi-Fi snooping.

drudge @

creepy

140 Ok, who's typing Drudge's headlines?


FRANCE MY PROSECUTE GOOG FOR WIFI SPYING; EMAIL PASSWORDS, MED RECORDS

141 151 You know, I heard a song about this on The Muppets, about making onions cry.

142 stueic,   they're disgusting eaters! with little remorse.

143 Indeed.  I have seen people flay the skin off a live cucumber and then rub salt into the open wound before devouring it -- along with all of the little unborn cucumber babies inside.  Cruel, heartless bastards.

Don't get me started...

144 I hate Google.The yahoo's at Yahoo are just as bad however.

145 Mmmm, Jamba Juice and Bombay Gin

146

This guy wants to plead guilty to 101 counts of the use of a weapon of mass destruction.  He did his incompetent best to kill off a bunch of Americans.  If there were any justice we would execute this guy by some painful means - perhaps a slow hanging where he is allowed to suffocate rather than have his neck snap - and that means would allow us to revive him after his heart stopped.  Then we could do it over and over again until he had been "executed" once for every count.  That would be most excellent.

It shoud all be filmed and put on youtube so the rest of his kind could watch in horror.  On the final execution he should be forced to drink pig's blood, and then be shot and tossed into a hole filled with pig entrails. 

147

Tami, darn, didn't that scare the hell out of you?

whew.

148 Willow, I thought my contacts were foggy or something....keep blinking.

149

What? No wine? How gauche.

Posted by: dagny at June 21, 2010 08:08 PM (DfwQh)

Can't have wine in a French prison. Might offend the Muslim inmates.

Come to think of it, you can't have wine on some Parisian streets:

PARIS (Reuters) - A giant "sausage and wine" party planned later this week in a Paris neighbourhood with many Muslim residents risks sparking disturbances and will therefore be banned, police in the French capital announced on Tuesday.

The event, announced on the social networking site Facebook late last month, had drawn growing criticism from politicians and civic groups in recent days as its page containing barely disguised anti-Muslim slogans attracted over 7,000 members.

The event, called an "apero geant" (giant cocktail party), was due on Friday, a date seen as highly provocative because that will be the day of the weekly Muslim prayer and the World Cup soccer match between England and majority Muslim Algeria.

It is also the 70th anniversary of General Charles de Gaulle's famous 1940 "Appeal of June 18" from London calling on the French to resist the German occupation of their country.

"This open-air event creates serious risks of disturbances to public order," the police said in a statement, noting the symbolism of the time and place chosen for the flash mob-style party. It also said counter-demonstrations were planned.

The main organiser, Sylvie Francois, wrote that she wanted the event to be "a joyous protest" against the closing down of roads in the Goutte d'Or neighbourhood every Friday by Muslims praying in the street outside the overcrowded mosque there.

MAYOR CRITICAL

The Facebook page also appeared to signal the party's thrust with appeals to "native Parisians" and complaints about "the resolute foes of our local wines and pork products."

In a statement before the ban was announced, Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe said the party was "clearly inspired by extreme right-wing movements" and seemed to be "designed to degenerate, possibly into violence."

Fadela Amara, secretary of state for urban policy and a practicing Muslim, denounced the planned event as a bid by the extreme right to spread hatred.

"I'm all for people getting together, having a drink and a good time, but when it's organised like that ... it's very dangerous," she told RTL radio.

After the ban was announced, supporters of the event wrote on the Facebook page that they would still gather on Friday in Goutte d'Or, a poor mixed-ethnic area of northeastern Paris.

"It's official -- Muslims can pray in the street but we don't have the right to eat pork there. France is now ruled by sharia," one supporter named Antoine wrote.

The "apero geant" plan, a takeoff on flash mob drinking parties that have become popular in France, recalls earlier events such as winter soup kitchens serving only dishes containing pork so neither Muslims nor Jews would eat them.

The Paris event page also carried announcements of similar "sausage and wine" parties in Lyon, Toulouse, Brussels and London, where the event is called a "bacon and beer" party.

Sylvie Francois, a local resident, told French radio that she set up a Facebook page for the event to fight against what she saw as the increasing "Islamisation" of her area.

The project has been publicised on internet social networking sites by a small far-Right group that calls itself the Bloc Identitaire.

Paris police said they will meet with the event's organisers on Tuesday to consider their official request for permission to hold the event.

150 159 Cut,jib,newsletter etc....

151 keep=kept

152 heh

153 Handcuff him to Newt for a week. That'll do it.

154 162 The backlash against the muzzies is going to be bloody when it comes.Or maybe they will just roll over without a fight.....

155

Someone just got sent to Russia:

In fact, with Dudley leaving Russia and Russian President Dmitri Medvedev saying last week that BP might go under, Hayward was being dispatched to Russia -- where BP has an enormous oil and gas operation -- to talk down the Russian government from its "BP death" rhetoric.

Talk is that Tony Blair would make a great new CEO.

156
So he can go work with Bill Ayers now, right?

157 Beck was really god today.Ahh wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a media that,you know,looked into things?

158 You know, I heard a song about this on The Muppets, about making onions cry.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 08:23 PM (yfJ6g)

I remember a song on Captain Kangaroo about a lonely little petunia in an onion patch.

159 162 Well, it's good that some French people are speaking out against sharia, anyway. Too bad their complaints are falling on deaf ears.

160

Paris police said they will meet with the event's organisers on Tuesday to consider their official request for permission to hold the event.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 08:28 PM (7AOgy)

This is, of course, disgusting on several levels.  The key lesson here regarding the satanic religion of Islam is that it is not only hate filled and perverted, but also absolutely bent on destroying all natural, innocent pleasures in this life.  The most stolid Puritan was never such a kill-joy as the muslims.  The imams attack every harmless diversion and source of joy.  Muslims take pleasure from only 2 things - hurting other people, and vile sexual depravity characterized by the ruthless "taking" of carnal, loveless pleasure from a weaker being.    

America will not be safe until a vigorous pogrom has been carried out.

161

167 162 The backlash against the muzzies is going to be bloody when it comes.Or maybe they will just roll over without a fight.....

Depends how hard that get pushed. Seems that people are more willing to fight if they openly see their govt do something that's against their best interests.

162 Have no fear, Barry and Holder are working to get him released

163

Stueic, well French wine is lovely, Maybe they should just give in to Sharia and send all their wine here.

and France Shame on You! For allowing this!

In a statement before the ban was announced, Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe said the party was "clearly inspired by extreme right-wing movements" and seemed to be "designed to degenerate, possibly into violence."

Fadela Amara, secretary of state for urban policy and a practicing Muslim, denounced the planned event as a bid by the extreme right to spread hatred.

164 The backlash against the muzzies is going to be bloody when it comes.Or maybe they will just roll over without a fight.....

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2010 08:30 PM (Sg60d)

I hope you're right on both counts.

165

Hark, a movie idea:

The Most Interesting Man In the World: The Movie

Now this would practically write itself.  You could have a plot gimmick to jump to different times in his life, young man, middle-aged, etc.  It could be anything.  The overarching plot could reference it though reminising or they could do that "here's the end, now here's what lead up to it" type thing.  Or, it could be more of a dramatic biopic.  The stupid thing would be to treat it too lightly; he's too good of a character.  Treat it seriously.  Make him James Bond like, for example. 

166

It shoud all be filmed and put on youtube so the rest of his kind could watch in horror.  On the final execution he should be forced to drink pig's blood, and then be shot and tossed into a hole filled with pig entrails. 

Posted by: Reactionary at June 21, 2010 08:25 PM (4nbyM)

They should strap him to a hog scheduled for slaughter,  put them both back in his SUV and after explaining that he's at his final resting place, blow it up at the fucking dump.

167 Don't get me started...

Posted by: Cole Slaw at June 21, 2010 08:24 PM (e9JZd)

At least they don't leave you undressed.  So you can manage to keep a shred of dignity.

168 Oops.   O/t, it was.

169 I think we should go all Schroedinger on him.  Lock him in a cell with the appropriate device and turn off all the lights and cameras.
There, he's simultaneously a future martyr and an actual one, no one knows for sure.

170 Did you guys see fuckabee in the fuckabee thread?  Or someone who sounded an awful lot like fuckabee, "Pelican." 

171

In a statement before the ban was announced, Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe said the party was "clearly inspired by extreme right-wing movements" and seemed to be "designed to degenerate, possibly into violence."

Posted by: willow at June 21, 2010 08:38 PM (HyUIR)

Oh, indeed!  Mr. Delanoe is a historical genius.  The Nazis stirred up tremendous Jew hatred primarily with beer and sausage parties.  It was the core of their strategy!  /sarc

F***ing retarded leftist douche.

172 The backlash against the muzzies is going to be bloody when it comes.Or maybe they will just roll over without a fight.....

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2010 08:30 PM (Sg60d)

Europe kind of has a history dealing with minorities.

173 178 One of the commercials shows him doing some left wing/environmentalist shit.So he's the liberals idea of "most interesting man in the world?,we'd call him a douche.

174

They should strap him to a hog scheduled for slaughter,  put them both back in his SUV and after explaining that he's at his final resting place, blow it up at the fucking dump.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 21, 2010 08:39 PM (HBqDo)

I like this plan.  Seems like sort of a waste of good bacon, but I'm definitely on board.

175

Posted by: Cole Slaw at June 21, 2010 08:24 PM (e9JZd)

At least they don't leave you undressed.  So you can manage to keep a shred of dignity.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 08:39 PM (7AOgy)

you are so Pun-ishing to the senses

176 OT: Go file your public comments on the FCC's proposal to regulate the internet as a utility!

177 80's i had thought Tony Blair had wanted to be the new leader of the EU?

178 Europe kind of has a history dealing with minorities.

Damn straight Skippy.

179 but I'm definitely on board.

Posted by: Reactionary at June 21, 2010 08:45 PM (4nbyM)

Not you,  just the pig and the muzzie. This IS a religious ceremony after all.

180 according to dateline, he was a "reluctant bomber"

181

I don't know about that, steevy.  Didn't notice any.

Here's something.  He's kind of a father figure leading male.  One of his characteristics should be leadership/ teaching the younger men around him who--after initially not buying the act--warm up to him and grow to respect him, since everything he says bears out and everything he does kicks ass.

Remember the movie Secondhand Lions?  Now there's a plot vehicle that would work.

182 OT:   Just what small businesses need right now....

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. health insurers are raising prices by an average of 20 percent for adults age 64 and younger who buy their own policies, according to a survey released by a nonprofit healthcare group on Monday.

Such premium cost increases affected more than three-quarters of the 14 million adults who buy their own health plans and caused some to either seek a cheaper option with fewer benefits or switch insurers altogether, the Kaiser Family Foundation study showed.

The findings come as the Obama administration works with insurers to implement some of the new rules under the recently passed healthcare law, which aims to expand consumers' coverage while cracking down on discriminatory industry practices.

Although individual, or "nongroup," policies are a small slice of the health insurance industry, they have attracted sharp scrutiny in recent months amid reports of price increases as high as 39 percent.

snip~

While most working-age adults who have insurance get it through their employers, roughly 14 million people in the United States -- mostly small business owners or those whose companies don't offer insurance -- buy their own policies.

http://tinyurl.com/2e7hfk9

183 Twitter: In radio intv, Kyl stands his ground on his account of conversation w/Obama re immigration: 'What I said occurred did occur.' about 8 hours ago via HootSuite ByronYork

184 Stolen from Gateway Pundit who stole it from somebody who stole it from somebody else:

One of Rep. Alan GraysonÂ’s pollsters is running for the state House in Florida as a Tea Party candidate, fueling Republican suspicions that the Democratic Congressman is using to a newly formed third party to boost his own re-election bid.

On Friday, Victoria Torres, 44, of Orlando qualified to run as a Tea Party candidate in state House district 51 in the last hours of the qualifying period.

185

Remember the movie Secondhand Lions?  Now there's a plot vehicle that would work.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 21, 2010 08:49 PM (7bSGe)

I find that adapting advertising characters into movies and TV shows has been disappointing recently.  Cavemen was not a good TV show, and they wouldn't even let them make the Chester the Cheetah cartoon show.

On the other hand, if they're going to give away a free Dos Equis with every movie ticket, I'm in!

186 O/T.......  Lousiana senate passes "Healthcare Freedom Act".  Worth a new thread, Gabe?

187 One more OT tidbit and then I'm off.  Anyone interested in a VA/NC/SC moron meet-up this fall (shooting for September time frame, but that is flexible) email me at lpcard (at) hotmail dot com.  Right now I'm just looking for a head count so I know how big a venue we need to reserve, let me know if there are any time constraints that you are looking at so that we can schedule accordingly.
Later roonz and roonettez, see some of you on the ONT.

188

On Friday, Victoria Torres, 44, of Orlando qualified to run as a Tea Party candidate in state House district 51 in the last hours of the qualifying period.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 21, 2010 08:51 PM (T0bhq)

The TEA Parties seem to have a good track record of squashing these "third party" candidates and reminding the voters that there is no political party called the "Tea Party."

189 Respectfully to any dog owners, but dogs are not made of bacon & moon-worshippers hate them nearly as much. Waste not, want not, I say.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neckbeard at June 21, 2010 08:47 PM (wOtDN)

Good point.  Many such dead dogs can be secured at shelters that euthanize. 

The muzzie attitude toward dogs further condemns their vile cult.  Any belief system that says dogs are evil is itself evil.  Domesticated dogs are the greatest animal, second in usefulness only to the beloved cow.

190 according to dateline, he was a "reluctant bomber"

Posted by: sliderblaze at June 21, 2010 08:49 PM (6jr3U)

Who, the Times Square guy?  Seems he's gotten over any reluctance he may have had.  He's a gung ho bomber now!

191

I find that adapting advertising characters into movies and TV shows has been disappointing recently. 

That's one reason it needs to be treated seriously.  Otherwise, it's a one joke movie, like hirsute cavemen.  So--I've seen this before--there needs to be more backstory on who the guy is.  He needs to be 3d.  Remember the character Snake Pliskin?  I know Mike McQuay, the guy who wrote the books.  He had to invent an entire backstory to make the character book-length interesting.

192

190 80's i had thought Tony Blair had wanted to be the new leader of the EU?

Well, most are naming him b/c (1) he's amazing @ PR & (2) the company was once nicknamed Blair Petroleum. For my part, I think it could happen, but it's unlikely at this junture. However, the person who keeps getting mentioned is someone who's going to lose his job, so that's really no good.

193 Although individual, or "nongroup," policies are a small slice of the health insurance industry, they have attracted sharp scrutiny in recent months amid reports of price increases as high as 39 percent.

Yep. I have my own individual policy, and my provider just gouged me again. I'm seeing just plain arbitrary increases. I will no longer be able to afford it if this continues. Thanks a bunch, you jug-eared fuck.

194

They should strap him to a hog scheduled for slaughter,  put them both back in his SUV and after explaining that he's at his final resting place, blow it up at the fucking dump.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 21, 2010 08:39 PM (HBqDo)

Instead of a hog for slaughter, they should select several good breeding hogs, ones that won't ever be eaten.  And then they should give this guy the Snatch/Hannibal treatment, letting his mortal remains end up as pig excrement.

A guy can dream, can't he?

195

thomas sowell:

But our government is supposed to be "a government of laws and not of men."

If our laws and our institutions determine that BP ought to pay $20 billion — or $50 billion or $100 billion — then so be it.

But the Constitution says that private property is not to be confiscated by the government without "due process of law."

Technically, it has not been confiscated by Barack Obama, but that is a distinction without a difference

 @ drudge

196 Yep. I have my own individual policy, and my provider just gouged me again. I'm seeing just plain arbitrary increases. I will no longer be able to afford it if this continues. Thanks a bunch, you jug-eared fuck.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 21, 2010 08:59 PM (554T5)

Just curious - do you have a traditional style plan, or high deductible with HSA?  My mother has her own business and has been having good luck with her H.D.+HSA plan.

197 #210 Pres Obumbles shouldn't be restained by such petty mortal things as a "Constitution", should he?  He certainly feels that way.

198

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 21, 2010 08:56 PM (7bSGe)

A good example of a one-joke movie transcending its one joke is Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery.  We have to take Austin Powers as a given -- the Mod version of James Bond -- but then we learn enough about him and see him change enough that we accept him as a full-fledged character.

A sort of poor example (IMHO) was Buckaroo Banzai.  We were supposed to accept him but weren't given enough backstory or depth.

199 Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order AmnestySeveral Senators have learned of a possible plan by the Obama Administration that would provide a mass Amnesty for the nation's 11-18 million illegal aliens. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), eight Senators addressed a letter to the President asking for answers to questions about a plan that would allow DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano to provide an amnesty if they can't secure enough votes for a bill in the Senate.

The letter that was sent to Pres. Obama earlier today asks the President for clarification on the use of deferred action or parole for illegal aliens. The executive actions are typically used in special cases and are evaluated on a case-by-case basis, but if 60 votes can't be secured in the Senate to pass a mass Amnesty, the Administration may use the discretionary actions as an alternative.

http://tinyurl.com/2a9rdmy

200 Yep. I have my own individual policy, and my provider just gouged me again. I'm seeing just plain arbitrary increases. I will no longer be able to afford it if this continues. Thanks a bunch, you jug-eared fuck. Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 21, 2010 08:59 PM (554T5) Do what I did. Join the Navy. The insurance is my best benefit

201

A guy can dream, can't he?

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 08:59 PM (7AOgy)

I don't think the word "dream" means what you think it means.

202

O' Reilly is becoming an unwatchable fucktard. He just said BP agreed to the $20 Billion so there is no issue with due process. That's like saying a kidnapped kids parents agreed to pay the ransom so there is no crime.

He doesn't know what happened in that room anymore than we do or if he does he should report it. Until that time he should STFU

203

... they should give this guy the Snatch/Hannibal treatment, letting his mortal remains end up as pig excrement.

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 08:59 PM (7AOgy)

Good idea.  I suggest that he be fed to the pigs while still alive.  Again - film it for all the terrorist lovers to see.  Then they can ponder the awesomeness of martyrdom with a fresh sense of it.

204

210 Great column by Sowell.

212 #210 What scares me is that he really believes that. My understanding is that Obama got them to pay more than just $20 billion. I have no problem with them paying the money, but after the investigation & when given the right to due process.

205 Just curious - do you have a traditional style plan, or high deductible with HSA?

Traditional with high deductible. I would never be able to switch, as I had a health issue in the past that would most likely qualify me as having a pre-existing condition. I'm screwed. 

206 You woulda thunk I coulda had a movie er two, but nooo you English scoundrels went en did that Hindu flop.

Now go'en eat the peanuts outta my crap.

207

I don't think the word "dream" means what you think it means.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 21, 2010 09:04 PM (HBqDo)

Why, he'd be happy as a pig in shit!

208

217 I have a feeling that we're either (1) never going to know what happened or (2) are going to read about it when Hayward writes his book. Expecting many insider books about this one, actually.

209 Now go'en eat the peanuts outta my crap.

Posted by: Fat Bastard at June 21, 2010 09:06 PM (e9JZd)

Could we ever hope for a Fat Bastard prequel?

210 but after the investigation & when given the right to due process.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 09:05 PM (Yq+qN)

exactly, why should anyone be comfortable with bagging the big guy, IF they can DO that to the Big Guys what about us?

211 Do what I did. Join the Navy. The insurance is my best benefit

Yeah, I'll get right on that first thing in the morning...

212

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 21, 2010 09:06 PM (554T5)

Ouch.  Pre-existings suck. 

213

stuick, yeah.

He's such a great character.  There has to be a movie.  I wanna see him kicking asses and taking names in exotic locales while smooth talking the ladies and teaching boys to be men.

214 223 I don't think Hayward went to the meeting.

215

Good idea.  I suggest that he be fed to the pigs while still alive.  Again - film it for all the terrorist lovers to see.  Then they can ponder the awesomeness of martyrdom with a fresh sense of it.

Posted by: Reactionary at June 21, 2010 09:04 PM (4nbyM)

The sequence in the movie Hannibal should be used as a warning.  "You say it is your custom to blow up innocent people in the name of your religion.  Very well.  We too have a custom, where we take those who plot against us and feed them alive to hogs.  You may follow your custom, and then we will follow ours.  And we shall see whose custom changes first."

Of course, no Western government has the sheer will to do something like that.  Israel, for example, treats the remains of terrorists with great respect, whereas its enemies can hardly be relied on to keep Israeli prisoners of war alive.

216

225 why should anyone be comfortable with bagging the big guy, IF they can DO that to the Big Guys what about us?

Yes. Companies like Anadarko & affected private citizens have the right to sue BP later. But I'm uncomfortable with how this is being handled by the govt at every level.

217

i also want to know the extent of the gvt public servant that DID not do a proper job, inspecting the rig.

 

218

He's such a great character.  There has to be a movie.  I wanna see him kicking asses and taking names in exotic locales while smooth talking the ladies and teaching boys to be men.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 21, 2010 09:08 PM (7bSGe)

Are you familiar with James Coburn as Derek Flint in In Like Flint and Our Man Flint?  He'd be partly like that, and partly like Indiana Jones but without the modest college professor side, and maybe partly like Don Juan di Marco.

219

229 223 I don't think Hayward went to the meeting.

He was there, as were some members of the Board of Directors. It was Chairman Svanberg, Hayward, Doug Suttles, & I don't know who else. Svanberg is the one who agreed to pay the money, is my understanding.

220 So this asshole will go to prison for the next 50 years in a system that will allow him to train and recruit other muslims, that will feed him muslim meals, that will provide him an emam.  Our PC kindness and compassion is killing us.  Through this animal in a hole and foget about him.  When his emaciated body crawls to the edge begging for forgiveness from man and God, then maybe he can rate aq half assed prison existance.

221 ttfn

222

Yes. Companies like Anadarko & affected private citizens have the right to sue BP later. But I'm uncomfortable with how this is being handled by the govt at every level.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 09:11 PM (Yq+qN)

I think it's a good thing that BP was paying claims without having the claiments resort to suing. I also don't have a problem with them working with a 3rd party to make that happen faster. I do have a problem with closed door meetings between the President, Attorney General and a private corp.

A third party panel should have been picked before hand and they should have met with BP.

223 234 My bad.I thought they cut him out of the loop and served him up as the sacrificial lamn to congress.

224 I thought all the crazies believed the Israelis have to leave or we had to leave Saudi Arabia or acknowledge the Crusades were bad or something.

Consistency--not a strong suit of Islamodouchery.

225 Very well.  We too have a custom, where we take those who plot against us and feed them alive to hogs.  You may follow your custom, and then we will follow ours.  And we shall see whose custom changes first."

Posted by: stuiec at June 21, 2010 09:11 PM (7AOgy)

Excellent paraphrasing of one of history's greatest quotes.     From the days when the English still had balls and brains.

I agree that current governments are of no use in the great struggle against evil.  It is the result of a misguided, false morality.  It is not the role of the state to forgive enemies and turn the other cheek.  The job of government is to bear the sword and meet out death and justice.  Ours does a poor job of terrifying our enemies.  Rather it practically encourages them.  If ever we have to hit the reset button it is my sincere hope that men of strength will come to power, and will deal out horror and misery to our foes (both political and cultural) that will reverberate in their collective memories for centuries.   

226

232 i also want to know the extent of the gvt public servant that DID not do a proper job, inspecting the rig.

I saw that the MMS was renamed today, as if that is going to make any difference. They knew so much about what was happening, from February onward, & they did nothing. (What should have happened would be shutting-down the entire well.) A congressman raised this at the hearing the other day, but Stupak brushed it off, saying "oh, we'll deal with it later". I don't think some of them really care, because it reflects poorly on them.

227 Circa, yes, i was also surprised Israel/Palestinians wasn't spoken of. remiss of him

228

Domesticated dogs are the greatest animal, second in usefulness only to the beloved cow.

Posted by: Reactionary at June 21, 2010 08:55 PM (4nbyM)

FU

229

238 234 My bad.I thought they cut him out of the loop and served him up as the sacrificial lamn to congress.

He's still the sacrificial lamb, but he knows what happened at that particular meeting. Whether he honestly agreed with his boss is another question. 

230 I am getting a little scared as Allah seems to have the upper hand against God.

231 A congressman raised this at the hearing the other day, but Stupak brushed it off, saying "oh, we'll deal with it later". I don't think some of them really care, because it reflects poorly on them.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 09:19 PM (Yq+qN)

uh hmm, that's why it should have sometype of proccess, investigation .. someone here had asked earlier, will bp be also responsible for the damge once hurricanes hit next week, it's an interesting question.

we know the administration is derelect in his duty to assist for weeks in solutions or cleaning up. so more oil more damgae etc..

232

He's still the sacrificial lamb, but he knows what happened at that particular meeting. Whether he honestly agreed with his boss is another question. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 09:22 PM (Yq+qN)

He was very hesitent at the hearing to finally say he didn't think it was extortion. The dem questioning him had to drag it out of him.  

233

Are you familiar with James Coburn as Derek Flint in In Like Flint and Our Man Flint? 

Heh.  Yeah.  That was one of the first characters that came to mind. 

You know what else would take a character all over the world?  Top secret government-backed scientist shit.  I'm thinking Race Bannon and Benton Quest.

234

You're right, in Buckaroo Banzi there was no device to pull the audience through his interests.  He just jumped from one thing to another based on his personal coolness--which worked to some extent.  But there wasn't a reason for him to be that way.  And there didnt' need to be, really.  He was kind of a comical character.

235 249 There's cartoon they could make a movie of.What I liked about it is that they actually killed bad guys,like in Japanese cartoons.

236 Pipe fittings? What's next? F'n nuclear reactors?

237

247 He was very hesitent at the hearing to finally say he didn't think it was extortion. The dem questioning him had to drag it out of him.  

Part of me says he may think it was extortion. As for the rest, he was instructed to play dumb. Anything he could have said to negatively affect the company could have led to further lawsuits & affected BP's shareholders. He knows that BP America & the people in Houston "screwed the pooch" on this one, but all hell would have broken lose if he had admitted that. Ultimately, none of those decisions were his, so he could have run his mouth, but he "took one for the team".

 

238 Need I remind you that your whole family is made out of meat?

"We've probed them.  They're meat all the way through..."

http://tinyurl.com/ya92dlp

239 I am getting a little scared as Allah seems to have the upper hand against God.

Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:22 PM (gzfLC)

Let me fill you in on a little secret.  That's exactly how it goes down, only to lure allah (piss be upon him) in and ambush his ass.  It's a good thing the Pentagon doesn't run the armies of God, eh?

240

Oh, yeah, steevy, that was when they shot people with bullets in cartoons.  Those were the days.  And you know, I was a kid, and I never once went away thinking it would be okay to run around shooting people.  I guess the PTA was wrong after all.

Seems like I read they were going to make that into a movie.  Not sure.

241 Just basically crushed the soul of a 50-ish AGW true- believer. Forced him to admit that making people (poor people, I emphasized that a lot, he seemed like a sucker for class warfare) pay more for the basic necessities of life for reasons that he could not define and benefits he could not predict was evil (he didn't like that). This guy probably hasn't been called "stupid and gullible" for at least 40 years. Anyway, after I apologized for pointing my finger at him (we were having a beer on my patio), he said he had really thought about it, and I was probably right. We shall see if he's still spouting Gore-isms next week.

242 Sch. 40, or 80?  Do you have them in 150# & 3000#?  What about metric fittings?

Geeze, man, specifics, please.

243 246 A majority of the decisions have to be run by Admiral Allen, which is ridiculous. The govt is further complicating everything RE this fiasco.

244 "Let me fill you in on a little secret.  That's exactly how it goes down, only to lure allah (piss be upon him) in and ambush his ass. "

Fk a Duck, I am sure you will have a death warrant issued upon you by the am.

Seems to me they defeated the Soviets and now are doing the same to the US.

245 253 Pipe fittings? What's next? F'n nuclear reactors?

Soon, infidel, soon.

246 My theory is Allah=Satan.Not talkin' bout the blogger.

247

Just basically crushed the soul of a 50-ish AGW true- believer

I love true life stories like that. Is he a neighbor or relative?

248 Filthy rotten sock

249

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 21, 2010 09:30 PM (TQUd0)

Well done, sir.

I am getting a little scared as Allah seems to have the upper hand against God.
Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:22 PM (gzfLC)

Yeah, but things looked pretty bad in 1942, too, and that came out tolerably well, in spite of having a shitty, commie-loving US president throwing away the fruit of victory.  The Big Man has things in hand, but it'll prolly suck down here on the Earth for a while.  Hopefully the eschaton is coming up soon...

 

250 Gee, it's almost as if he has no fear of receiving the death penalty and he likes having a public forum. Who would've thought?

251

Obama's Budget Director to Resign Within Weeks

What happens after everyone gets thrown under the bus?

252 Seems to me they defeated the Soviets and now are doing the same to the US.

Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:33 PM (gzfLC)

They beat the Soviets 'cause the soviets sucked.  They may beat us because we're playing by self imposed retarded rules.  Like I said, good thing the Pentagon doesn't run the armies of God.

253

@49: "I think he and Helen Thomas issue a joint newsletter.  Her half is entitled "The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword" and his half is entitled "No It Isn't.""

Thatsh "The Penis Mightier".

254 stuiec, you know who else?  Lara Croft.  Independently wealthy.  Educated.  Refined.  Called upon occasionally to do high risk work.  Lots of adventure.  He's could be a male Croft.

255 My theory is Allah=Satan.Not talkin' bout the blogger.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2010 09:34 PM (Sg60d)

I think that there can be little doubt.  What other system has brought more vileness, more misery, or more unreasoning madness to the earth?  Islam takes truthes and twists them into lies, just as it's creator, the Father of Lies, does. 

For those not quite depraved enough for Islam the Enemy instead uses Liberalism.

256 268 It all comes down from the CinC.I don't think we'd be using these restrained pussy tactics with a real president in charge.

257 What happens after everyone gets thrown under the bus?

Well, theoretically he's got 52% of the population to pick from.

258

Rolling Stone to Expose McCrystal's Feuding with Obama

He'll soon gone under the bus, too.

259 "For those not quite depraved enough for Islam the Enemy instead uses Liberalism."

Ouch. Jesus was a liberal wasn't he?

260

Forced him to admit that making people (poor people, I emphasized that a lot, he seemed like a sucker for class warfare) pay more for the basic necessities of life for reasons that he could not define and benefits he could not predict was evil (he didn't like that)

Lincoln,

you might end up in another conversation with him next week, explaining why He isn't right to demand that the wealthy cough up for these poor peoples new needs.

261 Miley Cyrus. Lady Gaga. Kiddie pool full of Jell-O pudding. Who's lookin' out for you, baby?

262 Ouch. Jesus was a liberal wasn't he?

Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:41 PM (gzfLC)

Not even close.  Especially in the upper-case "L" sense of the word we somehow allowed those vile totalitarians to co-opt.  The Lord said, if a man will not work, he shall not eat.  And he came to die for our sins, rather than tell us that all our sins were just acceptable alternate lifestyle choices.   

263 278 Agree.Classical Liberal.

264 I dont know React, God was pretty clear he doesn't like money. And the poor don't have money, so sounds like they are his chosen ones.

265 Ouch. Jesus was a liberal wasn't he?

Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:41 PM (gzfLC)

I saw a car with a 'Jesus was a liberal' bumpersticker.  If it wasn't for my friend stopping me, I would have run it off the road.

266 280 Wasn't against money.Money changers didn't belong in Temple that's all.

267 278 Agree.Classical Liberal.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2010 09:45 PM (Sg60d)

Life is full of irony.  Just finished Road to Serfdom last week (yeah - I know - late to the party) and had to smile at the fact that while I call myself a reactionary, I'm pretty clearly an old fashioned, lower-case "l" liberal in many ways. 

Except, of course, in my hatred of universal suffrage and a few other items.

268 I dont know React, God was pretty clear he doesn't like money. And the poor don't have money, so sounds like they are his chosen ones.

Posted by: BB at June 21, 2010 09:48 PM (gzfLC)

In fairness, it's the love of money He dislikes.  He made several key followers quite rich in the O.T. days.  He does love the poor in spirit, but even a man of great wealth and power can fit that bill.  Humility and charity are key.

Sorry to all - not trying to make this a religion thread.  I will wish you all good night!

269 "No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Luke 16:13


Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

I don't know, seems pretty clear to me...

270

Rolling Stone to Expose McCrystal's Feuding with Obama

He'll soon gone under the bus, too.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 21, 2010 09:40 PM (Yq+qN)

That's a pretty damning article. The fact that McCystal admitted to voting for Obama doesn't make me lose any sleep over his troubles. The fact that the article points out American Soldiers dying because of McCrystals policies makes me want to puke.

271 I think Iran is next. Does Obama have the balls?

272 That doesn't sound like somebody who has been beaten down. That sounds like defiance.

I'd give him to the Dark Shamans, after all for the grass to grow green someone must suffer death through years...

273

Jesus didn't even dislike money. He said to render unto caesar what was caesar's.

The judea at the time was occupied territory, a Roman province. The Romans were pagans and taxed the jews. The jews resented this and held jews who helped the romans collect taxes in particular contempt because they felt like they were betraying their people. The Old Testament foretold that Jesus would be born poor. Notice however that his parents were not destitute and he was born in Bethlehem because Joseph had to go there to pay taxes. The maji were wealthy and were not derided in the story. He was an everyman--the devine taking on human nature in order to pay the debt that man owed to God. Jesus and the apostles had some money--Judas was in charge of it and he was irritable about spending it --there is dialogue about that near the sermon of the mount. What Jesus wanted them to do is to not put money before God. And what he means by that is to not put money before the things that God asks you to do: take care of your children and parents, be kind to those who are hungry and thirsty (not those who won't work) but widows, the sick, children, the lame,--be faithful to your wife/husband, and stay in touch with God to remember to not be an ass. He doesn't hate money or capitalism, he just wanted people's ethics to override the quick buck, the theft, the fraud, heartlessness, murder, et al.

274 Them clothes got laundry numbers on them. You remember your number and always wear the ones that has your number. Any man forgets his number spends a night in the box. These here spoons you keep with you. Any man loses his spoon spends a night in the box. There's no playing grab-ass or fighting in the building. You got a grudge against another man, you fight him Saturday afternoon. Any man playing grab-ass or fighting in the building spends a night in the box. First bell's at five minutes of eight when you will get in your bunk. Last bell is at eight. Any man not in his bunk at eight spends the night in the box. There is no smoking in the prone position in bed. To smoke you must have both legs over the side of your bunk. Any man caught smoking in the prone position in bed... spends a night in the box. You get two sheets. Every Saturday, you put the clean sheet on the top... the top sheet on the bottom... and the bottom sheet you turn in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box. No one'll sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any man with dirty pants on sitting on the bunks spends a night in the box. Any man don't bring back his empty pop bottle spends a night in the box. Any man loud talking spends a night in the box.  Also, any man trying to blow up Times Square gets a lifetime in the box.

275 Poor in spirit means humble or willing to obey God's revelation at their expense. It doesn't mean having no money. Even the man he told to give up all he had and follow him was in the way of a challenge; he knew where his weakness lay. He didn't tell the woman at the well the same thing, he had different directions for her.

276 Sorry Dagney, it's obvious what his intent is. There are hundreds of references.

277

@245: "I am getting a little scared as Allah seems to have the upper hand against God."

There was a comedian years ago who did a bit about the Israeli/Palestinan thing.  The big joke was that while he didn't know which side was right or which was wrong, it was pretty clear to him that "the Palestinians believe what they fuck they are saying.  They are fighting against tanks, and their god only gave them rocks.  Now me, if all I've got is a rock, and the other guy's god gave him a tank, I'm gonna do some serious re-evaluating of my position."

278 "Now me, if all I've got is a rock, and the other guy's god gave him a tank, I'm gonna do some serious re-evaluating of my position."

Seems like David and Goliath to me, the US at least, being Goliath.

279 Posted by: Carr, the floor walker at June 21, 2010 10:12 PM (kmEfr) Stop leavin' yer socks around. Geez.

280

@268: "Like I said, good thing the Pentagon doesn't run the armies of God."

How many divisions has God?  The one reinforced company of the Pontifical Swiss Guard probably won't cut it. 

281

@295: "Stop leavin' yer socks around. Geez."

Back-sassin' the floor walker.  That's a night in the box.

282 Hopefully they are consecutive sentences, and even more hopefully, he will only live to serve a small portion of the first term.

283

@294: "Seems like David and Goliath to me, the US at least, being Goliath."

Hopefully Goliath fares better this time around.

284 @295: "Stop leavin' yer socks around. Geez." Back-sassin' the floor walker. That's a night in the box. Posted by: Carr, the floor walker at June 21, 2010 10:23 PM (kmEfr) Whose box? I'll stop now. Promise.

285 No. Sorry. Give me a reference that means he wants people to not have any money, that he wants the state to be the provider.

286 “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are Gods”

Taxes.

287

@287: I think Iran is next. Does Obama have the balls?

What a sense of humor you've got.

288 Is it suprising he is from Connecticut?  Oh.  I forgot.  The war on terrorism does not exist.  It must have been Bush's fault.

289 Don't you get it, wingnuts? I'm concerned that you so-called Christians can't see that Jesus was a Communist on steroids. Give away all your stuff and live in a box, while Caesar (Obama) plays golf and dines on Wagyu. Sheesh.

290 I haven't read the comments. This sort of thing just gets my blood boiling and I'm too hair triggered as it is. I don't want to risk going off half cocked on someone because I misread or read something into a comment, but I do have a question, just in case it aint been asked yet.


Is it no longer treason for an American citizen to levy war against the US in support of an enemy the US is at war with?

291 I wonder if the idiot mayor still thinks this is about health care.

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