1 Fist!

2 Sometimes the hot chick picks the fat guy.

3

I have been gone the last few hours, but did Ace or Drew call me an asshole yet?

I have $5.00 riding on this with another moron, so it's kind of important.

4

Exit Purely Rhetorical Question: Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?

These days, forcefully. President has been set. We may not like it, but those are the new rules.

5 Stupid racist sock!

6 "Republicans force Obama to force the NAACP to Fire Black Angel of Mercy"

7

8 Who did the edit of the original tape?

9 >>>These days, forcefully. Well, maybe as a general guide, but we'll see if the backlash isn't worse than the forelash.

10 7

Posted by: nightwitch at July 21, 2010 03:06 AM (SbaLN)

Can I quote you on that?

11 "BP Dumps Gulf Oil on Black Children as Breitbart Laughs"

12 Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?

Sometimes you speak softly, sometimes you use the big stick.

At home I have to the former so I can use my latter.

13 9 >>>These days, forcefully.

Well, maybe as a general guide, but we'll see if the backlash isn't worse than the forelash.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 03:06 AM (KUUXH)

Ace, I respect you opinion a lot, but please tell me why you think that way? I say we will incur the backlash anyway, IMO.

14 You know, I really like the characterization redstate uses.

Breitbart's video was somewhat out of context.

I don't think Breitbart knew that.  I think it was clear enough that something pretty seriously messed up was being confessed to about a senior official.

But the full videos tell a story of a very liberal person who wants black people to take their free 100% loans, thank President Obama (yeah, that's what she says) for it, and help black people as much as they can.  It's obviously dumb luck that Sherrod spits out so much stupid liberal trope too.

And that's not relevant to the 'racism!!!!' 

So it looks like Breitbart, if he sees something really wrong but without full context, will put the video out there, and probably get the full truth pretty quickly.  In this case, a full blown scandal erupted on many levels of the Obama administration.  The racism charge against all Obamacare opponents, the hasty firing, the extreme political game playing at all times for this admin... it's a ridiculously fortunate catch by Breitbart.

If your question is how much this is going to ruin his brand... I don't think you have much need to fear.  'out of context' grabs of real scandals do not sound that bad, although I know Ace and Anchoress and the rest like that have a legitimate ethical objection when they ask for full context.

15 Do I want to see a ton of right leaning pundits spit out videos of scandals that edit out what the full situation was?

Absolutely not.  That's just not good, on a number of levels.

I guess that's a big part of Ace's view.

This case is unique.  Breitbart has something serious.  There could have been some big apology for it, but he threw it out anyway as demonstration of corruption of a federal official.  Turns out she didn't apologize, but she wasn't a federal official when she acted racist (although still she isn't sorry while being a fed). 

If there's a possibility that the rest of the video makes the case fall apart, it's a good idea to be much more careful.  I think Breitbart probably could have been more clear that we didn't know when this incident occurred, too.

We'll see if Breitbart is any more a laughing stock tomorrow than he was last week.  I bet not.

16 Grr, sorry about post-fail at #7!


To add my obvious two cents-

We need both types of actors on our side in this political game, quiet plotters and bold shit stirring bastards. Sadly, there's a dearth of both types on our side.

Anything that makes a loud enough noise that the MFM has to cover it, even from the "look at what those evil wingnuts made Pres. Super-Jesus do" is a good thing.

17 This administration has just shown hyper-image conscious it has become.  Undoubtedly the groundwork for this was laid by the cracks appearing in the foreign over the past few months slaming Obama as a thin skinned amateur.

This weakness can and should be exploited in the future.  All the underlings in this administration have to be walking on egg shells right now in fear of losing their jobs over the most trivial shit that might be seen as damaging to the ascended one's aura. 

18 Sherrod confessed to being a bigot and a Commie. Your turn, Ebola.

19 1) The audience was cheering her on before she got to her message....its not just about her. 2) The left invented this stuff. When they stand up for a GOP guy who is quoted out of context, we can discuss some mutual disarmament.

20

Exit Purely Rhetorical Question: Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?

Prolly depends on what rhetorical goal you have in mind--whether it's long term or short, whether it's superficial or meaningful. 

21

The Left and the NAACP completely and totally fabricated the "Tea party is racist" meme from whole cloth. So if we got a minor point of context wrong (and I'm not entirely sure we did) what downside has the Left and the NAACP incurred from telling such an outrageous lie.

No, I think the rules are different now and since we did not set the new rules, following them will seem uncomfortable at first.

I liked taking the "high road", but we have to start focusing of some form of pragmatism in our stratagy if we are to fight the lies.

I say next we go after the private lives of enemt reports disguised as "journalists" (and NO, I'm not talking about any physical harm).

22 Also, Breitnbart just showed a video. The Obama team did the firing...

23 Maybe the next set of tapes regarding NAACP bigotry Breitbart releases will be unambiguous and not have anything to do with Sherrod.

24 I'd really like to hear from those that disagree with me about this and why you think the way you do. Maybe you fellow morons will help me realize something I have overlooked, or at least I can disagree without think you are just mushy in the head.

25 Jim, you are completely correct. Nothing else will make the MFM play fair except that. Also, you are right that if the NAACP wants to claim racism on the Tea Party without any evidence, they should be forced to suck the shit when there is evidence on their side. Fair is fair. By the way, any Tea Party out there...may I suggest a new non-racial slogan to use? FUERA as in: Hundreds of residents of one of the poorest municipalities in Los Angeles County shouted in protest last night as tensions rose over a report that the city’s manager earns an annual salary of almost $800,000. An overflow crowd packed a City Council meeting in Bell, a mostly Hispanic city of 38,000. Residents left standing outside the chamber banged on the doors and shouted “fuera,” or “get out” in Spanish.

26 My spelling stinks tonight.

27 I currently have the local Philly sports talk program on. The overnight host, a local comedian, had his producer come into the studio to give his version of the video. (Don't ask me why.....Philly sports sucks as usual, it was just background noise until I went to get a new beer...). The producer, a young guy, is pretty much accusing Breitbart of "chopping up the video" to make Sherrod look like a racist. The host, who admits that he hates politics, just blew off the guy and took the next call about how bad the Phillies suck.

28 I say next we go after the private lives of enemy reporters disguised as "journalists"

I have no problem with revealing certain unflattering lifestyle choices and past/ongoing indiscretions of media figures. 

I also have no problem artificially elevating them to prominence beyond what they may have in reality (ex. l'affair Ted Haggard.  Who the fuck ever heard of Ted Haggard before the left turned him into some religious leader celebrity with feet of clay?  I never did.)

29 Heck, get some of the folks from Bell into the Tea Party - have them speak at rallies. 800K / year seems to piss of the Mexican-Americans as much as it would anyone else, go figure. Dem: "bbbbbut I thought handing out monthly checks to keep them in poverty gave me immunity for my 800k salary..."

30 PA, amen brother. Our fringe weirdos count more than their solid players...Jessie Jackson said "hymietown" and is still in business. Byrd used the n-word and was still in business until his dirt nap. Seriously, until the Left decides that their Alinksy binge since Reagan was wrong and apologizes...tough titty on them.

31 ot: not linking a story, just thought the headline was funny:

Senior EPA Analyst: "Government [Agencies] Have Been Sock Puppets for BP In This Cover Up"

32 Of course, in the grand scheme of things Breitbart is correct about the racial tactics of the NAACP, particularly in the cases of unproved statements on the Capitol steps and the New Black Panthers.

I think he was a little to eager to prove this though.

In my view, it is never wrong to do as much checking as possible, particularly when "breaking" something.  In the original tape, the message of the speech was apparently twisted by edit, which was easily discovered by CNN when they interviewed the lady.

Something Breitbart might have done, proving once again that "too good to check" can afflict anyone.

33 I hate it, but there's something to what Marion Berry said, that it's super helpful that the Tea Party has to waste a huge amount of its time defending itself from racism charges of absolutely no merit.

Hell, on this charge alone, when Sherrod did this on her full video she showed she deserved some aggressive reaction (this isn't what happened... it was just luck).

Now the NAACP is going to have to defend itself from being racist, which will be much harder than the Tea Party has had it, since the NAACP actually is pretty freaking racist sometimes.  Obama was too stupid to be above it all.  I am shocked at that.

Still, there's some truth to the fact that if we simply defend ourselves all the time, waste our time saying we're sorry, or demanding high proof burdens from eachother because we act like we don't trust eachother, we've given up tremendous time to argue for limited government.

Perhaps a little less of that, optimized to get to the best aspects of self blame an apologia (which isn't much at all), would be a big help, but we still need to keep the left on the defensive.  And some of this stuff will be impossible to prove without breaking  a few rules.

Forcing the NAACP to release the full speech is one example.  Another is exposing Journolists's conspiracies.  Remember: that was confidential.  No one seems to care because such scandal is being revealed.  We have to keep the big government types on the defensive as much as possible.  Can we do it without sacrificing our integrity?  Absolutely.

34 Defense may win football games, but it doesn't win political battles.

35 Didn't AB show all the video he had in possession?  Can't blame him for coming to the same conclusions that everyone else did.  The guy who sent it to him obviously wanted her to come across in the worst possible light by stopping the speech where he did.


Though, one thing regular journalist would do is give the people involved, Sherrod/NAACP, a chance to review the video and offer comment before going to air/print/upload.

36 I hate it, but there's something to what Marion Berry said, that it's super helpful that the Tea Party has to waste a huge amount of its time defending itself from racism charges of absolutely no merit.

Thats one of the things I don't buy, because so many people sympathize with the tea party, that they will take it personally too.

37 "In my view, it is never wrong to do as much checking as possible, particularly when "breaking" something.  In the original tape, the message of the speech was apparently twisted by edit, which was easily discovered by CNN when they interviewed the lady.

Something Breitbart might have done, proving once again that "too good to check" can afflict anyone.
Posted by: Robert"

CNN didn't prove crap.  This woman said, on CNN, that she's never racially discriminated.  She really looked like a complete nutcase, because her only defense to her obvious confession of racial discrimination was that it was some kind of contrite lesson against racism.

But you're totally right that Breitbart should have done as much checking as possible.  Perhaps he actually did!  Would the NAACP have given him the full video?  I think he said he tried to get the full video and wasn't able, actually.

I don't see how this video was twisted by edit.  She's still a racist. She's not sorry.  The actual action happened at a different time and she was in a different role than we thought.  I don't think that's much twisting so much as Breitbart not knowing, and I think most people are smart enough to see this, too.  I could be wrong about that.

Anyway, I think her CNN interview really made her look awful, but I think the full video makes her look so nutty she could be a payday bar.

38 "because so many people sympathize with the tea party, that they will take it personally too.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 21, 2010 03:34 AM (JSghx)"

Hmmmmmmmm.  you actually are right about this.  A lot of people resent the living hell out of being told they are racist when they just said they want a smaller government.

I wonder how that idea can be applied to the NAACP, though I think they are completely irrelevant as voters since nothing will bring them to the GOP.

39 "I don't see how this video was twisted by edit."

What I wrote was that the message of the speech was twisted by edit.  If you don't see that you are reflexively defending Breitbart.

40 Defense may win football games, but it doesn't win political battles.

This ^^^

41 For every Sherrod who learns from her experience, how many don't? My Asian immigrant wife hates to deal with African-American female government employees for this reason. OK, I know this is wrong - I am sure there are many fine upstanding female African-American females in government positions....but god damn do I cross my fingers when she has to deal with them...I bet asian males with AA males do not have this level of animosity...

42 Robert, what was the message of the speech?  That it's OK to treat blacks better than whites, but poverty is also an important issue with which there is a tension for a racist like Sherrod?  I think that's the message of both speeches.  I acknowledge that there are substantial differences.  Context was missing, her role was lower, and this happened far earlier than I initially though.

I already said as much a million times.

But she's an unapologetic racist in both videos.  Maybe I'm missing the message, but your accusation against me isn't accurate.  I'm arguing in good faith here.

43 "Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?"

Both are fine.

It's better to act, not react.

As Gen. Grant said "Don't worry about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to you. Worry about what you're going to do to him."

44 furthermore, robert, you said the video was twisted by edit.

That's implying some deliberate dishonesty that I think has been well disproven.  You kinda got me to follow this red herring of whether the speech's message is different in the longer video (and of course it expands into so many free grants, loans, accusations against the Tea Party that much of the message is different).

But who did this twisting?  Who is this twisting lying editor? 

No one, that's who.  no villain of this kind exists in this case.  Breitbart got better data later on, but he had every reason to assert that this fed official was, at some point, racist and corrupt.  That part was never in serious question.  I thought the question was whether the cut context show her contrition.  It didn't.

And what it did show was obvious evidence that Breitbart didn't hold back more tape.  That's why he's posting so much of this tape.  It helps.

This idea that he was forceful and random is very accurate.  It's a valid criticism.  I don't really want to see much more of this.

The idea that he twisted the evidence he had is a lie.  I guess I should say it's a mistake, but that's not really how I feel about it.  Even an error isn't a lie.

45 I think this did not go as intended, but maybe that's not a bad thing. I think AB should be moving on to the next one, but I also don't know what he's got or what he's doing in the background.

It could be that if the NAACP and Administration had not been so quick to lift the bus, the "context" in the longer video could have been spun to be used against Breitbart... but with even Sharrod blaming the NAACP, and with the Admin defending the decision but not quite all on the same page with regards to who did what...

Basically, the two of them grabbed the rope Breitbart might have hung himself with and insisted they should use it first.

That was kind of a lucky thing, in a way.

46 Breibart needs to keep the pressure on. There has to be a wealth of crazy shit members of the NAACP said or wrote. He should also check the list of invited speakers to their events and inquire as to what they said and what they said in the past. This should be a target rich environment.

47 Exit Purely Rhetorical Question: Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?

I just finished a book on the Civil War discussing this question in the context of literal battle.  It compared and contrasted McClellan and Lee, discussing how the most prominent battlefield faults of both men (McClellan too careful, Lee too forceful) defined Antietam.  Basically the author was of the opinion that McClellan could have ended the war that day--had he been more bold and finished off Lee's army.  And Lee, for his part, by trying to invade the North instead of sticking to his specialty of quick defensive maneuvering; made a major strategic error.

Answer: Neither, and also both.

48 actually, whatever Baldilocks says, I will go by: she is straight shooter.

49 Why would Breitbart's credibility be harmed? He published something newsworthy. It's not his fault NAACP and the administration acted stupidly. It's not his fault Sherrod stupidly agreed to resign instead of asking to be put on unpaid leave so she could tell her side of the story while the administration decided whether to fire her. We need to attack the enemy with their Alinsky tactics. Pick a target, freeze it, and personalize it. It doesn't matter who the target is, as long as it's on the other side. It doesn't matter who in particular gets accused of racism, the important thing is that your enemy gets accused of it. Spencer Ackerman is right about effective political strategy. Let the liberals tell their side of the story. Let them be on the defensive. They don't tell our side of the story. They make shit up about us, and then pass it off as an expose of tea bagger racism. The more time libs spend defending themselves, the less time they have to attack us, and the less time we waste defending ourselves.

50 My cut at it is that Sherrod's speech was more an attempt to diffuse these racial attacks rather than to mount more of them: "I learned that it's not black versus white, it's about the poor and the have's."

I don't agree with this of course, but it did change my take on the first video.  So did the comment by the white farmer who counts her as a friend.

She did it badly, and progressing from racial attack to class warfare is not so much progress, but I don't think her actions or motives are to deny services on racial grounds as they once might have been.

51 It is plain that Breitbart got extremely lucky.

But how bold and crazy was he being?  At worst, she was a corrupt racist at some point, but she's really sorry she was.   Pretty scandalous, since she's in power.   At worst the audience is showing praise for awful crap in a way the Tea Partiers are not.

I think he wasn't bold, though he was clumsy, but he was extremely lucky.

52 He is near tip of spear; did not to anything media is not guilty of 10g times over. Correct post: admin gets caught on ass, again again.

53

I think Breitbart was a bit sloppy on this one, but...

The NAACP and White House/Vilsack sure stepped in it good. If Breitbart acted without proper due dilligence, so did the people who fired her and this particular episode will be quickly swept under the rug by everybody because nobody looks good.

But stirring this shit up, what was called muckraking back in the day, is good for us. The general public will be sickened by it. Hell, I'm pretty partisan and always kinda suspected all this garbage but the Journolist thing is even taking me by surprise. 

So forcefully, yes. But forcefully does not equal recklessly.

 

54 "The idea that he twisted the evidence he had is a lie."

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I wrote and you are not acting in good faith - goodnight.

55

@44: "As Gen. Grant said "Don't worry about what Bobby Lee's gonna do to you. Worry about what you're going to do to him.""

Uh, Sir? Not to question your plan or anything, but....damn, that shit hurt.

56

Anybody see the exposed flank here? The Washington Examiner had a long piece about the Sherrods and the settlement in the Pigford case. Seems there may be more to this than just a speech. I've seen links to this today and the piece is very interesting. Bteitbart may have caught an even bigger fish than this.

Also, aren't we told there is no redemption for a racist? Robert KKK byrd not withstanding.

57 "My cut at it is that Sherrod's speech was more an attempt to diffuse these racial attacks rather than to mount more of them:

I think this is a very incorrect 'cut' at a speech where she makes a massive charge of racism at all opponents of Obamacare.

"I learned that it's not black versus white, it's about the poor and the have's."

She showed absolutely no contrition for helping a white man far less than she'd help a black man.  She isn't sorry and she doesn't see this as racial discrimination at all.  She's a nutcase.  I realize she's saying this 'haves and have nots' stuff, and realizes that cuts across racial lines, but the vast majority of the speech is about her race.  She's upset her race sold land to whites.  She's upset her race of blacks isn't helping blacks like they should, on race basis.  She thinks Obama's opponents are racist, only because Obama is black.

She's not abandoning 'black vs white', though she does say it's not about that in between saying it is about that.  She's simply trying (failing) to reconcile this with class warfare.  She tells a tale about a severe case of 'not doing all I could' and realizing months later that a white farmer would lose his farm because a white lawyer she appears to have some hilarious joke about (this was cut by NAACP) gave up on him. 

She's not such a racist that she will refuse to point out Chapter 11 bankruptcy when one's about to lose their farm.   That's where her limit is.  But she's still very racist and going on and on about that.  And contrary to your views, at around 24:00 -26:00 in the video, she is leveling hefty racial attacks.

anyway, I'm not concerned about this loser.  she's beyond saving and for very good reason.  She's an unrepentant bigot.

I care about what I thought you said, that someone deliberately edited this tape to cut out the 'truth' for the short video.  That's obviously not what happened.

58 The best defense is a strong offense. Tactically, the RIGHT should let the NAACP and the Obama Administration defend their actions.

The short clip shows that there were members of the meeting who were in vocal agreement with "screwing white farmers." This is racism.

There are numerous instances where the Obama Administration has been shown to act on the basis of race. This should be the continued focus. Obama ran his campaign on the basis of using the "racist narrative" to prevent any investigation or mention of his background. His fellow Democrats are using it now in an attempt to stem the tide of Democrat losses in the November elections.

The NAACP has fabricated a pernicious smear to blunt the impact of the tea party. Race-baiting is the name of the game as practiced by Democrats, by the Obama administration and by the NAACP. They should be called on it. The American public needs to be reminded of this low-down and disgusting tactic until the public lets the Democrat politicians and the newspaper editors and opinion makers know that they've had enough of it.

Race-baiting is anti-democratic in that it attempts to stifle or shut down debate. Charges of racism unfairly hurled at an individual or group are a deliberate attempt to silence the individual or group. They are an attempt to render those opinions and voices as toxic in the public arena. They also stigmatize the individual and group unfairly. Race-baiting is about as low-down and dirty as one can get. It is worse than racism itself. Any group or individual that is guilty of race-baiting should be ostracized from the public debate as the low-down, dirty scoundrel(s) they are.
 
The risk of race-baiting is that when racism actually happens then nobody will pay attention to it because it will have been devalued. If race-baiting is allowed to become the norm and allowed to occur without major consequences then the country could easily become divided along racial lines. I hope and pray that there are a significant number of blacks and whites who understand this and start calling out race-baiting for the evil it is just as they speak out against racism for the evil it is.

59

Sherrod wasn't telling a parable, she sees people first as a color, then as a person.  Plus, in telling the story, she says "his own kind" in present day thinking, not as how she thought 24 years ago.  Then, there is still the untidy matter of the NAACP-audience's reaction.

I hear that the decision to ask for Sherrod's resignation is being reconsidered.

60   In the original tape, the message of the speech was apparently twisted by edit, which was easily discovered by CNN when they interviewed the lady.

Posted by: Robert at July 21, 2010 03:29 AM (cd6Ip)

------- --- ------- ------- -------------- -------- -------------- --------------

" "I don't see how this video was twisted by edit."  <--- that's me, Rick Moranis

What I wrote was that the message of the speech was twisted by edit.  If you don't see that you are reflexively defending Breitbart.

Posted by: Robert at July 21, 2010 03:43 AM (cd6Ip)"

----------------- ------- ----------------- ------------- --------- ---------------

"The idea that he twisted the evidence he had is a lie."  <--- again me, Rick Moranis

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I wrote and you are not acting in good faith - goodnight.

Posted by: Robert at July 21, 2010 04:12 AM (cd6Ip)"

---------- -------- ------ ------------

I'm arguing in good faith, Robert.  Maybe you didn't use the word twisted to imply a dishonest distortion, but that's what it seems like you meant.  I gave you a ton of benefit of the doubt and asked you what you meant, and you instead repeatedly insult me for not apparent reason.

Perhaps you're addicted to crackrock, but I'm not completely misrepresenting you to ASK YOU WHAT YOU MEANT.

61 Why is it that a lot of these people who seem to have a real problem with the idea of even a slight distortion of secondary factors about a clear case of racism and acceptance of racism... then don't have a problem being pretty ridiculously hostile in their own defense?

I'm not referring to Ace.  But some of these folks act like they have to compensate for their lack of integrity by looking down on Breitbart's integrity (and also looking down on people like me who must be merely 'reflexive' in their defense after I'm clearly being thoughtful about it).  Stop worrying about whether people are inferior to you and make an argument already. 

Robert isn't the only example, but he keeps repeating his conclusion, expressing his concern for conservatives who don't live up to some standard, and never gets around to his argument.

This gets right to the point of Ace's post.  How bold was Breitbart being?  He could have checked sources more, could have tried to nail down when this incident happened (it was in the 1980s based on the short video too), etc.  He wasn't being perfect.

But was he twisting shit around?  Chopping shit up?  I watched the 40 minutes looking for what I'd edit in and out.  I found tons of crap I'd want in, much of it pretty close to the short video.  Especially the Obamacare comments.  And what would he want to leave out?  I guess perhaps the point where she says she's very sorry for her racism, and explains why that's a terrible thing for the audience to do?  Oh wait, that part never was spoken. 

62 Our responses should have been about the NAACP reps positive reaction to the story she was telling. That is what shows the NAACP in an anti-white racist light not the speaker, whoever she is and whatever she says.

The speaker could have been calling for the extermination of whites and it wouldn't mean they were racist if the NAACP listeners howled her down. They would be racists if they cheered.

By concentrating on the speaker we've let them off the hook.

63 First off, Breitbart screwed up by not waiting until he had entire video before posting what he had. That said, he got so far inside Obama's decision cycle (boyd stuff) that he looped-the-loop and got inside his own cycle! It's hysterical that when we finally do get to see Obama take quick, decisive action that he blows it as badly as it could be blown. All he had to do was wait TEN MINUTES, pick up the phone and have a chat with the USDA lady. But nooooo. Glenn Beck was approaching airtime!

64 Someone said something about being nuts. So I feel time to say that I can say chu is delusional as per video in which quoted,"we are gonna save the world", with an extremely odd smile. Makes me think of a vid of crazies. 1 earth heals, oceans recede. 1b fundamentally transform usa 2 save the world wicked smile(oily birds in bg). 3 pass it to find out what's in it. 3b electricity prices sky rocket 4. We'll know in a few year if it works. 4c spread the wealth around 5 1trillion to keep employmnt under 8% 5b) police acted stupidly. ... You know, the stuff devoid of reality, like everything whatever. Why are we so screwed

65 Didn't that clown on Journolist want to smash some heads thru plate glass windows? 

66 Well, there's one thing you can't say after today. You can't say Breitbart is punching down, that's what.

67

My two cents:  The video was used out of context on purpose and he had the full speech from the start.  I wouldn't think Andrew would have done this had he not had the entire video; he's more deliberate than that.  He played the left's game of labeling people and got them to bite.

I don't know Sherrod so I have no idea if what she says about changing from helping people based on race (the clip) to helping them based on their situation (the full speech) is true or not.  However, the full speech presents her as thinking two different ways about race.  Assuming her changing views on race is true, he used the clip to label her as racist then has the full speech to make his point that she isn't when context is applied.

I'm guessing Andrew let the NAACP find the full speech instead of releasing it himself first.  They found out with a little research she isn't what Andrew said and what they immediately believed without question resulting in her being fired or pressured to resign.  They won't do this with Tea Party members or whoever else they label, of course, but the lesson of determining the truth still applies.

Not only did he get the left, but he also caught the people on the right that refused to watch the full speech to see that she's not what the clip meant to set up the left said she was.  (Again, assuming her changing views on race as described in the video is true.)  In that refusal, people on the right acted as the left would have when its done to Tea Party members.  They blindly believe the accusation.

68 Ace, why are u not opposed to kagen? This is same mis-focus as Barton. Grmsty has to be flooded with feedback (4 mo yrs). No team player. We don't want leftist stalwarts in the caucus no? He should just specterize. Like a dog, if you don't catch em in the act it is a 'sin' to post-punish.

69 "For all the criticism, Breitbart got results from smashing a hammer into random fragile objects here. If he did some damage to himself... well, I guess he's in the best position to judge if he can bleed it off."

NO! BREITBART WAS WRONG AND DID IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO HIMSELF AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT!  GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!  You said so yourself last night.

70 Bad analogy. Scratch that. They should forever be held accountable.Was conjuring recoil effect. .

71 Question:  How dumb does a non-black person have to be to think that participating in NAACP events is not itself an evidence of racial bias?

72

Instapundit made up the phrase "Instinct for attacking the jugular capillary".  Talking about one person when you can talk about the NAACP describes that.

73 Combo the last two threads.  We're here debating tactics and if Breitbart knew or should have known the video was edited.  Our enemies, and they are our enemies, are in the other thread completely making up shit and coordinating their efforts.  Shred those MFers with their own words and beat the bloody pulp then nuke them from orbit.  Better still bring on the prior thread and give Breitbart the ninja laser.

74 I think that is the wrong way to ask as dumbness has no agreed upon color scale. But by definition an association encompassed by the exalting of a particular race is racist; by any definition i can imagine in this universe (but i am no journolist). but the asterisk should be shunned by the aquirer not the granter; only then will it truly end. i dont hold my breath.

75 It was almost as if, oh, I don't know, someone had a video of a pastor going off about God Damn America, and Hillary ain't never been called a ninja, and then the video shows the crowd dancing around like there's nickel on the floor and only one person gets it, and doing the hankie-wave and the Charleston, and then the pastor says "but we must love our fellow man", and then all the dancing is forgotten. Couldn't happen.

76 I just woke up and heard this.  Is there video of the end of the speach where she makes her point about her redemption?  Or just the wrtten text of her speach?

77 "the exalting of a particular race is racist"

Agreed. but at some point we must either acknowledge the full spectrum of biological differences or otherwise sink into a Harrison Bergeron system of handicaps that will hurt us all in the long run.

78 Hey.. the White House AND the NAACP look like idiots throwing Sherrod under the bus like that.

Works for me..

79 Breitbart didn't do anything wrong.  He didn't say he had released a tape of the whole speech, or knew the whole story.  He said the tape showed NAACP is racist, which is true.  If anyone should have access to a tape of the whole speech, it should have been the NAACP.

Saying that Brietbart's should have done USDA's job to investigate the incident, or even Ace's job, is crazy.

80 Watch out for the backlash from acting stupidly.

"Sherrod, pull over and resign right now because your going to be on Glenn Beck tonight."

Did Glenn Beck really need Obama's endorsement?

 

81 the only think i acknowlegde is the bell curve of humanity. As should law. to do otherwise is to err. (our) law is not (biological) science, regardless one's predispositions or any time's pretentiousness. by no stretch. quite the opposite; it presupposes no outcome. think about it. process

then there is outside of "law"; which we have already been provided for by the most wise Mr. Jefferson. that is is the Fo_nding. It is a justification, pre-written, for any like secession, for anyone. just fill in your grievances you be a thinking man; the only way to be re-chained is to loose our head.

82 Will the White House Undersecretary be thrown under the bus next for those intimidating phone calls made at Obama's order while they KNEW Sharrod was driving in heavy traffic?

"I never ordered Sharrod's resignation."--Obama

83 DITTO!

84 What of the legal ramifications against Obama for interfering with public servants like Hillary's Travelgate? Since Sharrod is union, you can't harass them out of their job.

85 For #83 dudes

86 "

My two cents:  The video was used out of context on purpose and he had the full speech from the start.  I wouldn't think Andrew would have done this had he not had the entire video; he's more deliberate than that.  He played the left's game of labeling people and got them to bite.

I don't know Sherrod so I have no idea if what she says about changing from helping people based on race (the clip) to helping them based on their situation (the full speech) is true or not.  However, the full speech presents her as thinking two different ways about race.  Assuming her changing views on race is true, he used the clip to label her as racist then has the full speech to make his point that she isn't when context is applied."

Wow, you have no evidence for this really ugly thing you think Breitbart did.  I realize you don't seem to think he is actually evil, but I would think he's a total dirtbag if he did what you claim.

Also, watch the full speech.  Shirley never repudiated her racism.  She isn't 100% full bore angry at whites all the time.  She helped a white guy after he was in truly desperate shape.  That doesn't mean she has any problem with her racism.

In fact, she doesn't even think she's ever been racist.  You say she has turned away from something she isn't apologizing for and denies she ever did.  She just plain doesn't think her racism was wrong.  You're wrong about the full speech.  It's the same problem of the short clip, but with the addition of a lot of racial greivances, a sweeping attack against the Tea Party as racist, and a lot of mumbling about class warfare.  This latter issue could conflict with an absolute refusal to help whites, ever.  So?  If she doesn't treat whites and blacks the same (And she never suggests we should)....

I guess I have to grant you are right: she is looking at whites in two ways: as the race she isn't here to help, and as poor people who she will help if 'their own kind' fail to help and things get really bad, but not as much help as the blacks get.

This is all incidental to your accusation against Breitbart, which I think are obviously incorrect simply because the rest of the speech has tons of excellent material.  Better material than the stuff he led with.  Maybe you're right and he's a really horrible and dishonest person, but I like to have some evidence of that before I believe it.

You are a member of the rebel alliance, and a traitor.

87 OT: BP CEO Tony Hayward to resign within next 10wks

Not especially surprising. It's always been known he'll resign after the well is capped, but The Times is the 1st source to get it in writing.

88
holy shit, what happened here last night?

It's funny how the self-righteous angels here are accusing others of being self-righteous in patriotism.

89 "Our responses should have been about the NAACP reps positive reaction to the story she was telling. That is what shows the NAACP in an anti-white racist light not the speaker, whoever she is and whatever she says.

The speaker could have been calling for the extermination of whites and it wouldn't mean they were racist if the NAACP listeners howled her down. They would be racists if they cheered.

By concentrating on the speaker we've let them off the hook.

Posted by: Michael at July 21, 2010 04:35 AM (D2cMb)"

Damn straight.  I am probably the most guilty person of this on the planet.  I note that Breitbart hammered this specific issue repeatedly (though some of those attacking him claim he wasn't bringing it up at all, his websites are free to access and you can see for yourself). 

Doesn't really matter what's on the extended clip, except the potential idea that she had said racism was wrong, and here's why (she never said what she did was wrong, and doesn't think she shows racism in denying help to a white man because... welll.... she's a nut).

But there I go again, what matters is that this is extremely bonkers shit, and any sane audience would get up and leave or boo or at least not approve of her.  Imagine a forum you attend.  If someone said this shit, would you say amen?  Full tape makes this case much worse, because she leads with sadness that blacks sold land to whites, that blacks don't help blacks enough, and she's devoted to helping blacks and only blacks, but also to poors (which confuses her speech quite a bit).

The audience is quiet when she's talking about treating a white guy well, and they really approve of some sad stuff.  I feel very, very sorry for these people for falling for the racism lie that corrupts so many people.  It's a trick meant to exploit them for political power, which is why the Tea Party doesn't rely on this kind of crap.  They just want to minimize government intrusion and expense.

90 Brietbart's the guy who played the ACORN video releases like a fisherman landing a big fish...give them some line, pull them back, give them some line, pull them back.

I would think he's shown that he's a savvy player, and understands how to get the other side to do itself in.

91

It's outrageously outrageous that Sherrod was fired..

....but apparently not Gerald Walpin.....he got canned for the sin of doing his job by bringing up the fact that Obama's basketball playing buddy Kevin Johnson stole $800,000

92
so...what are our AoS marching orders from our betters?

Are we to treat Andrew Breitbart as a pariah?

93
but seriously...

I'm not gonna name names but there are certain people here I want to come crawling back to me on their knees, suck my [redacted], and apologize.

94 Swift boating, Will Horton, Trent Lott stepping down, being Borked, Bush lied. For the last 25 years it doesn't matter what the fucking facts are, it's the impression and the media repetition.
It's about time the pussy right starts playing the game TO WIN. Bravo Breitbart!

95 I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has already been suggested, but there is an opportunity to be had here.  Let's look at the facts:

1. Breitbart broke a story on the NAACP.  He's a journalist, that's what he's supposed to do- report the news, not try to operate MiniTrue 2.0.

2. The administration reacted in knee-jerk fashion and fired Ms. Sherrod without even waiting to hear her side of the story. 

3. THAT in and of itself is another story- how this administration is so willing to throw an average, middle class, MINORITY citizen under the bus without even so much as a cursory vetting of the facts simply because there was the POSSIBILITY that she did something that, if true, would help to threaten their hold on power.  The take away from that is that no matter what they tell you this administration will throw YOU under the bus if they percieve you as a threat to their power.

4. Ponder that in the voting booth in November.

5. I think Ms. Sharrod should sue the President and the SecAg for her job back and the Tea Party should raise funds for her legal team.

Now who's the 'racist'?

96 Can't we all just get along?

Someone above said it much more eloquently than I could.. but this race baiting has to end.  And if there was anything you could label a "teachable moment" (I really hate that phrase but it seems so applicable here), this would be it.

The instant nature of the internet/todays' media and the ability to lob insults and accusations long distance without ever having to face another human have made it way too easy to race bait.  And it's way too easy to play a video out of context and for it to go viral and for every pundit in the universe to have his/her say way before the whole story is known.

Maybe this teachable moment is an opportunity.. an opportunity to re-assess our quickness to judgement.. but maybe also an opportunity to reach out to the other side and attempt to put an end to the race baiting.  not easy, I know.. there is a lot of  power, political and otherwise, held by those who would use race to make points against their opponents.  But, to me, it is an opportunity that shouldn't be wasted.

97 I think I get how this works now! If you were to hear me say, "Those black people sure are a bunch of stupid imbeciles ..." then I'm a racist. But if it turns out the FULL tape says, "Those black people sure are a bunch of stupid imbeciles, but I know that's just a stereotype of the cracker people and they're really not so bad," then suddenly I'm some sort of stand-up citizen making a lesson on racism? Yeah, I'm sure that's what the MFM, bastion of objectivity, would conclude. My point is, if I say the "N" word out of context, is there really anything else I can say in full context to mitigate that??

98 Nyuk, nyuk,nyuk.

99 I seem to recall Dan Rather making a hasty and poorly researched report into George W. Bush's service record with the Texas National Guard.  When Rather's team got caught with various holes in their reporting, Rather got forced out the door in disgrace.

Breitbart creates a hasty and poorly researched report into a woman's internal conflict with her own racism THAT SHE OVERCOMES by the by.  When Breitbart got caught pushing a selectively edited videotape, and failed to either hunt down the white farmers who DID get help from Sherrod or look for other witnesses to Sherrod's speech to verify if any other interesting statements were said by her... YOU want to give Breitbart a MEDAL?!

I'm sorry, but Breitbart f-cked up here as badly as Vilsack did.  There needs to be accountability in the media and for this Breitbart needs to go.  Get kicked out the door just like Rather was.

Everyone EXCEPT Sherrod and those farmers she helped were in the wrong here.  Whoever gave Breitbart that edited video... Breitbart for failing basic rules of reporting (get more than one source!  verify!  interview as many people as you can!)... FOX News for quickly jumping on Breitbart's story without doing THEIR own research... The NAACP for jumping too quickly themselves and attacking her, in an effort to position themselves after recently attacking the Tea Party for racism... Vilsack, the Obama Administration and probably Obama himself for jumping the gun and forcing an innocent woman out of her job...

SO far the NAACP is the only one to have openly apologized, I haven't seen anybody else who screwed up to do so.  Obama needs to apologize directly to Sherrod and re-instate her.  Vilsack needs to apologize and offer his resignation to Obama (Obama can refuse it with a harsh reminder to Vilsack to watch his steps... or accept it and find a replacement).  FOX News and any other news outfit that jumped on this story need to apologize for their rush to judgment and take good-faith efforts to fact-check their stories and hold people accountable something they haven't been doing for years (like I keep saying, it looks like the last one who was held accountable was Rather, and that was 5-6 years ago).

And Breitbart needs to go.  No f-cking awards for him.

100 PaulW is a pussy.  Oh, and he supports racists.  Robert Byrd was Paul's hero.

101 Nighthawk, "the Tea Party should raise funds for her legal team."

That would be very amusing, but that's as likely as ACORN raising funds for Breitbart.  She seems to see the Tea Party is a very strange and negative light.

Nonetheless, it is so strange that she was fired so quickly.  It was blatantly politics.  She could easily have been put under investigation or even suspension, and even though I think the video damns her, I think a responsible leader would be more deliberative.

They had to beat the news cycle.  I read a few people guessing the WH would hire her back tomorrow!  No, they want this story to die, not to keep it alive for years.

102 By concentrating on the speaker we've let them off the hook.

Posted by: Michael at July 21, 2010 04:35 AM

Check out Breibart's appearance on John King's show..you know John King, he and his wife think it's hysterically funny that Kathy Griffin called Scott Brown's daughters prostitutes...

....Bretbart pointed out time and again that it was the reaction from the crowd that should be the focus and the media is ignoring that the crowd cheeered when Sherrod was talking about how she discriminated against whites......and juxtaposed that with how the media kept repeating the lie that the Tea Party was racist based on the claim that CBC members had racial epithets thrown at them and were spat at

Breitbart kept making the great point that he didn't fire Sherrod...but he is getting the blame for that

103 "
Breitbart creates a hasty and poorly researched report into a woman's internal conflict with her own racism THAT SHE OVERCOMES by the by. "

When did this happen?  What poor woman is this?

We're talking about Shirley Sherrod, the woman who boasts about treating a white man far worse than she'd have treated him if he were black, and never admits it's racism, and certainly never apologizes it, and incontrovertibly doesn't overcome it.

She helps a white farmer months slower and far less than she helps blacks.  That she did provide some help at all doesn't change this obvious fact.  I guess it's better than not helping him at all, which is a bona fide content change from original vid to the full speech (and I missed that). 

LOL.  Don't cover for bigots like Sherrod.  Until she can even admit this was racism, and until she says her racism was wrong, covering for her is freaking wrong.  This shit is corrosive to society.  This goes beyond silly politics.  Sherrod's behavior is way over the line and the idea that she overcame it is a complete bullshit fiction.  That she talks about helping the poor is nothing like saying her racism was racist and wrong and the audience should learn never to act as she did towards honkey farmers!

104

What ? An edited tape?  Out of context? 

Kind of like the M$M reporting/interviewing of Palin in 2008?

ABCCBSNBCMSNBCCNN are shocked !!!

 

105 Actually, Breitbart basically test fired the Death Star (Breitbart media) and made an Alderan out of Obama.

"Now witness the destructive power of this fully armed AND OPERATIONAL battle station!"

How many times has this sort of thing happened to a hapless conservative? Someone from a conservative organization, the GOP, what have you, gets their words spliced up and taken out of context and *BAM* someone's getting fired, being forced to resign, has their credibility diminished and all by some sniveling little lefty shit in the MSM doing a hatchet job in their "reporting"?

How many times has that happened to us, to people in the conservative movement?

TOO DAMN MANY TO COUNT! I'M GLAD SHEROD GOT FIRED, I'M GLAD THE NAACP GOT A DOSE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE AND I'M GLAD OBAMA FELT THE NEED TO DO WHAT HE DID!

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the point. We're fighting fire with fire now and putting the lefties on notice:

HEY, WE READ YOUR DAMN PLAYBOOK AND PAYBACK'S A BITCH!

He may call himself Andrew Breitbart, but deep down, we all know the truth.

He's John Connor.

He's the man who taught us to fight back against the machines...

106 Let's see... NAACP. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Not the advancement of people, or the impoverished, but just colored people.  So, tell me again how they aren't racist?

107 And Breitbart needs to go. No f-cking awards for him. Posted by: PaulW at July 21, 2010 07:55 AM Not even the Saul Alinsky New Black Panther Award? I'd put your IQ just above Obama's Paul. (FYI - that's not a compliment)

108

We're talking about Shirley Sherrod, the woman who boasts about treating a white man far worse than she'd have treated him if he were black, and never admits it's racism, and certainly never apologizes it, and incontrovertibly doesn't overcome it.

 

And the propblem with that is . . . what???

109 I judge the effectiveness of the action by the number of concern trolls it brings up from the slime.

110

He may call himself Andrew Breitbart, but deep down, we all know the truth.

He's John Connor.  He's the man who taught us to fight back against the machines...

 

Damn, that's beautiful.

111 Also, the NAACP crowd's reaction to blatantly racist activity is quite telling.

Time for someone to call on the NAACP to condemn the racists within THEIR organization...

112 I mean seriously, PaulW.  How can she overcome her racism?  Why are you making that up?  Why are so many concern trolls repeating that lie?

I saw this nutcase on CNN yesterday.  She claims nothing she did was racial discrimination.  Ever.  She says you can ask anybody.  I also noticed that she said there were whites present, so she couldn't be racist (which is stupid), but during the speech, she notes the crowd is all black.

She thinks in terms of racism about everything.  The crowd seems to love that (this is the real story).  The Tea Party opposes a black president, so they must be racist.  it's sad blacks sold land to whites. Etc etc.  She doesn't even know what racism is, claiming it was invented by rich people.  No, it's something that is more basic, sadly.

She seems to really think that because her racism isn't helping rich people, she's no racist.  It's just insane.  The idea that this vicious race demagogue and nutcase has overcome her racism in some beautiful tale of redemption would make a pretty sweet movie.  But it sure as hell wasn't the movie I saw last night of this idiot rambling for 40 minutes.

Can someone explain to me why anyone would want to pretend this woman overcame something she doesn't even admit exists?  Serious question.  Why?

113

She claims nothing she did was racial discrimination.  Ever.  She says you can ask anybody.  I also noticed that she said there were whites present, so she couldn't be racist (which is stupid), but during the speech, she notes the crowd is all black.

Some of her best friends are Whitey.

114 Nonetheless, it is so strange that she was fired so quickly.  It was blatantly politics.  She could easily have been put under investigation or even suspension, and even though I think the video damns her, I think a responsible leader would be more deliberative....

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 08:00 AM (dUOK+)

That, IMHO, IS the story.  The reaction of the administration.  No hearings, no vetting of the facts, not even a chance for the accused to answer the allegation.  She may have done something to threaten the administration's hold on power so she had to go, facts be damned.

That is the kind of people who are running the country right now.

That story needs to be shouted from the rooftops every day from now until election day 2012.

115 Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I READ YOUR BOOK!

116 Sherrod was making the point that 20 years ago she was having a problem with a decision she was faced with of having to help a white person.  Now, she has no problem making a decision based on what a person has or does not have.  In other words, if you are moderately successful, you probably are not wroth her time, even if the merits of your case warrant that time.  Does anyone doubt that this thought process is not played out day after day by black people in positions of authority?  The fact that she was saying it, and the audience wasn't surprised by it, tells us this is the norm.  Sorry, I sympathize with her on the one hand, but know what she did then, and probably does now, is still based on that thought process:  judging people based on HER standards, not on the merits of the problem being presented to her.

117

In other words, if you are moderately successful, you probably are not wroth her time, even if the merits of your case warrant that time.

 

Welcome to Obama's America.  Enjoy your stay.

118 #42-In our experience, the female 'African-American' border guards at Detroit are the least pleasant border guards that we have ever encountered.  They don't smile, they just look like trouble waiting to happen.

BTW - what makes them African.  Don't all of our ancestors come from there?  Are they are so pissed because it took them longer to leave that dysfunctional home of mankind?  Inquiring minds want to know.

119 Breitbart's a big boy. He can handle it. I don't worry about him. Now Glenn Beck and Ace and a bunch of folks on the right are on the record defending an African American woman who has been done wrong by the Man - the Man being a guy named Salazar, and his boss, Obama. Well played, sir, well played. Good thing this is a closed list so no one will know we are all in cohoots.

120

Andrew Breitbart starring in...

 

PUPPETMASTER

121

Andrew Breitbart in . . .

DEATHRACIST 2010

122 This is how you right-wingnuts operate.  Go after anyone on the left that you can, truth, honesty and facts be damned.  Breitbart doesn't care about the real truth of the whole video.  He just wants to take down anyone he can on the left.  And 99% of you frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing extremists are exactly the same way.  You pretend that you really care about truth, justice and the American Way, but in reality you just want to tear down the Left and Democrats so you can pay less taxes.  It is that simple and that pathetic.

123

124 This is how you right-wingnuts Obama apologists operate.  Go after anyone on the left that you can, truth, honesty and facts be damned. 

 

FTFY!

124 You tell 'em, Sally!

125 124 This is how you right-wingnuts operate.  Go after anyone on the left that you can, truth, honesty and facts be damned.  Breitbart doesn't care about the real truth of the whole video...

Apparently Vilsack and Obama didn't much care about the real truth of the video either considering that they fired Ms. Sharrod without even waiting to hear her side of the story.

126

And Breitbart needs to go.  No f-cking awards for him.

Posted by: PaulW at July 21, 2010 07:55 AM (yiXWe)

Hey look, the concern troll is CONCERNED!

Fuck off douche bag. I read your stupid blog and you are a Media Matters disciple that wants Rush and Beck sued into silence because "LIES KILL"!

Really, you are a lying piece of shit. No wonder you cannot find a job.

127

124 This is how you right-wingnuts operate. 

 

Really?  Do the names Sarah Palin, Trent Lott, John McCain, Joe the Plumber, and everyone at FOX News mean anything to you?

128 Good point, Ken James, good fucking point.

Maybe I'm naive or crazy, but it seems that any attempt to spin this for her just opens up new issues about her obvious lack of judgment, or the problems with the audience.

And this was obvious before the full speech when I was speculating on what may have happened.  If she made the whole thing up, why does it make the NAACP happy?  Why did she think, made up or not, this wasn't something to be ashamed of and apologize for?  And why is it OK to based on your services, when referred by the USDA, on anything but someone's eligibility for whatever programs exist?  There's a reason they make these rules the way they do.  USDA loans are not only for poor people to get a 100% loan on a house. 

Of course, seeing the full speech, she goes on and on about that free grant and loan money.  She pauses to remind us to thank President Obama!!!!!!... it's what's wrong with our society.  She tells the audience to get back to helping blacks because they might be helping the next black president.

This shit doesn't make sense to me because I just don't understand why a person is more 'my kind' or not if they have skin that looks like mine.  I'm a bona fide product of the MLK dream and Sherrod and her kind (not blacks, but bigots) are so hard for me to grok.

129

Andrew Breitbart in...

 

TERMINATE HER

130 131 FOFL

131

124 This is how you right-wingnuts operate. 

 

Oh, and how about Scott Brown's daughters, you stupid twat?

132

Really, you are a lying piece of shit. No wonder you cannot find a job.

Jim, just say what you mean without beating around the bush.

133 off damned sock!

134

I'm not sure Breitbart is seeing the damage he did to himself by jumping the gun. On Hannity last night, he was so laser-focused on the racism racism racism of the video that, frankly, he seemed almost (ok, sorta kinda) as rabid as the leftards. But with the complete video and story, the sniggers in the audience just don't adequately make the case he was trying to make. It ends up being highly up for debate.

He DID fuck over the WH by getting them to use their itchy trigger finger and FIRE the "evidence", but I tend to think that was just luck on his part.

But I think he made a bad call journalistically, and his credibility has been sadly compromised. I won't brush him off, by any means (he's a flawed rock star), but I'd be a blind fool if I didn't acknowledge this faux pas. Just keep on keeping on, Andrew, but slow down and be careful.

135 You're only as good as your last leaked tape.

136

The only downside to what Brietbart did was the fact that it overshadowed the Daily Caller's Journalist scoop.

Every cable outlet was talking about this lady, it was exactly what cnn and other wanted, anything to not talk about journolist

137 "you just want to tear down the Left and Democrats so you can pay less taxes.  It is that simple and that pathetic.

Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at July 21, 2010 08:25 AM (FRErk)"

The rest of your crap was too stupid to respond to, but I'm on board with this plan and I don't care if you think it's simple.  Tearing down these people like Sherrod actually is completely relevant to lowering spending, and hopefully, taxes.  Anyone who watched the video knows that she talks about spending taxpayer money a hell of a lot more than she talks about fucking up her job when white people are in need.

Why not tear that entire concept and its adherents down to reality?

138 his credibility has been sadly compromised.

bullshit

139 "

The only downside to what Brietbart did was the fact that it overshadowed the Daily Caller's Journalist scoop."

And that's a huge downside.  So much for his master plan, because his twitter shows he knew all about this other story.  Probably the biggest story of the decade regarding the media was overshadowed.

140 Context matters.

141 Brilliant is Breitbart. He plays the Left like a violin virtuoso. Bravo!

142

Oh, and how about Scott Brown's daughters, you stupid twat

Kathy Griffin is a worthless fucking scrunt..

...and John King and Dana Bash should be fired

But...if Ayla and Arianna were really prostitutes...I wonder if they would do a menage

I'll be in my bunk

143

Jim, just say what you mean without beating around the bush.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 21, 2010 08:31 AM (lOzze)

Yeah, I know, I'm going soft.

144

Kathy Griffin is a worthless fucking scrunt..

...and John King and Dana Bash should be fired

 

And their scumbag attacks are perfectly fine in Sally Ann Caverntwat's world.

145 Probably the biggest story of the decade regarding the media was overshadowed.

Well then, do what the MFM does and beat the story until it bleeds.

When the one fifty fives are falling it's easy to get distracted by the one going off closest to you.

146 The 60 Minutes show probably won Pulitzers for doing the same thing Breitbart did.

Remember when NBC news was going to send undercover Muslims to a NASCAR race to see if they could provoke and film anti-Muslim bigotry? I wonder what would happen if a black tea partier went undercover to an NAACP meeting with a hidden camera and microphone, and started trying to engage different members in racist conversation. Based on the Breitbart video, I suspect he wouldn't have much trouble getting plenty of evidence of racism.

147 Is it better to act carefully or act forcefully?

Too bad the Obama administration has removed "intelligently" and "honorably".

148

Been looking over the video again, and it occurs to me that a lot of folks are missing some key details.  While the full video does show she's apparently trying to tell this story to make a point about racial divide, there is also little doubt that her own attitude towards people of a different race are certainly not ideal.

Even in retelling her story, so many years later, she still states that the farmer acted "superior" to her, and that at the time she felt as if he should be helped "by his own kind."

But even if one accepts the notion that she now rejects these ideas and that was the point of her story, it seems apparent from the video that the NAACP audience doesn't reject them, just from the reaction of the crowd.  They applaud and even cheer when they hear the part of the story where she shows clear racial bias against the farmer.  From their reaction to this portion of the story, it was quite apparent her actions, her attitudes were not only acceptable, they were admirable.

This was the point that Breitbart makes by showing the video, that the NAACP can cheer acts of overt racism and no one seems to notice, but that the NAACP itself will condemn the tea party movement for racism without a shred of proof to support their claims.

It is the hypocrisy of the NAACP, not the story told by Sherrod or it's ultimate outcome, that is the real story here. 

149

Here's a rhetorical question: why isn't Breitbart being arrested and sued, simultaneously.  Presuming he knew the truth and published the lie, I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

 

150

my 2 cents.

And I'm sorry, this is in my humble opinion most indies I suspect will see this situation in this way. The woman should not have been fired. BreitBart is a good man, I don't fault him one bit, and I encourage him to keep on going.

However, what this does, is cast the NAACP in ever harsher more racist light. And here is why.

The woman was recounting a story from 20 years ago, the NAACP audience did not know how she would end her recounting of her story.  When she said "I didn't want to give him the full force of my office {because he was white}", THE NAACP AUDIENCED CHEERED and said "that's right". This was not 20 years, this was 3 months ago.

Imagine if a white USDA officer had said 20 years ago I didn't give a minority the full force of my office because they were black/asian/etc, and the audience cheered in present time, just 3 months ago??

Also, the LSM seemed to take every effort to try and straighten this sotry, yet still not one damn word on the NB Panthers story, still no damn word on giving a chance for all those Tea Party affiliations who have all been called racists.

BreitBart came out swinging, and more and more people are seeing the corrdinated efforsts of the LSM (especially in light of the Jour-o-list), so all they see now is the LSM defending their side of the story which sheer blatant hypocracy of ignoring, falsely conddemning people.

the LSM and NAACP came out looking even worse, because all the points/disgust regular americans felt about the LSM have now been confirmed with proof.

151 Probably the biggest story of the decade regarding the media was overshadowed.

LINDSAAAAAAAAAY LOHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNN

152

Here's a rhetorical question: why isn't Breitbart being arrested and sued, simultaneously.  Presuming he knew the truth and published the lie, I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

 

Probably waiting for the Dan Rather arrest warrant to be approved first.

153 It is the hypocrisy of the NAACP, not the story told by Sherrod or it's ultimate outcome, that is the real story here.

The point Breibart has made abundantly clear. Over and over again

154 Here's a rhetorical question: why isn't Breitbart being arrested and sued, simultaneously.  Presuming he knew the truth and published the lie, I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

What are you like, ten years old?

155

Remember when NBC news was going to send undercover Muslims to a NASCAR race to see if they could provoke and film anti-Muslim bigotry

They did go through with that...and *GASP*..those inbred sister-fucking rednecks accepted them as just another couple of race fans..

...I think what really happened though was that the Secret Society of NASCAR-loving, Sister Fucking, Inbred Rednecks got wind of the plot and had a secret meeting with all 500,000 of the fans just before the race began and told them to be on their best behavior that day...but they could go back to being bigoted crackers as soon as the checkered flag wasdropped

 

156 151

Here's a rhetorical question: why isn't Breitbart being arrested and sued, simultaneously.  Presuming he knew the truth and published the lie, I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

 

Posted by: RobM1981 at July 21, 2010 08:39 AM (cFGyS)

I'm pretty sure you are another concern troll. Your hash has appeared here only 4 times before since Feb., and you always say something stupid. Make that five times saying something stupid.

157

speaking of Dan Rather, about 5 months ago, he was on Chris M's Sunday show, said something so racist about the community organizer, and that show was completely wiped off the MSNBS online videos, scrubbed it everywhere

The LSM really is like the mafia, they protect their own, not the American people.  Pravada was never this bad, at least the Russians already knew not not trust a word of the Pravada.

 

158 Breitbart for failing basic rules of reporting (get more than one source!  verify!  interview as many people as you can!)
Posted by: PaulW at July 21, 2010 07:55 AM (yiXWe)

Verily, these are the inviolable pillars upon which MSM journalism rests.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. 

159

And that's a huge downside.  So much for his master plan, because his twitter shows he knew all about this other story.  Probably the biggest story of the decade regarding the media was overshadowed.

Not so sure about that.  Also, remember that Breitbart is fairly well known for giving people enough rope and then sitting back and watching them hang themselves with it.

Remember the Acorn scandal?  He first releases just one of the tapes, sit's back for a bit and lets Acron react.  They come up with the narrative that it was an isolated incident, that this doesn't reflect what Acorn is all about, that it's only these two employees, etc, etc..

Then after Acorn jumps through all those hoops in a vain attempt at CYA, he starts releasing tape after tape showing that this is indeed what Acorn is all about, that it isn't an isolated incident, that there is a systemic pattern of corruption going on within the organization.

So there may very well be something like that going on here, he's just waiting for all the parties involved to react to the first tape, to come up with a bunch on nonsense for CYA purposes, and then hit them again with more evidence.

He's done it before.  Regardless though, I still think the real damning portion of the tape isn't so much in Sherrod's story or the ultimate point she was trying to make, I think instead it is in how the folks at the NAACP meeting reacted when she was describing her overt acts of racism against the farmer.

 

160

speaking of Dan Rather, about 5 months ago, he was on Chris M's Sunday show, said something so racist about the community organizer, and that show was completely wiped off the MSNBS online videos, scrubbed it everywhere

 

The "selling watermelon on the side of the road" crack about Obama?  I remember that.

161 What are you like, ten years old?

I've got an image of Billy Mumy wishing Andrew Breitbart into the cornfield for being a 'bad man.'

162
Heh.  Great read at the link.  bingo.

163
Here's a rhetorical question: why isn't Breitbart being arrested and sued, simultaneously.  Presuming he knew the truth and published the lie, I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

Mommy mommy, that mean boy called me a poo-poo head.

164

one of my biz partners is black, he was laughing hysterically at how they tried to protect Dan Rather over that watermelon comment.

I remember my collegue sat his 2 black sons to show them how many liberals are racists and they protect their own.

(of course the sons had no clue why a black man selling watermelons on the side of the road was considered racist)

And yes, my collegue and friend is a black conservative Independent.

165

It is the hypocrisy of the NAACP, not the story told by Sherrod or it's ultimate outcome, that is the real story here. 

Yes, it IS the story. But there have been so many twists and turns in the totality of the story that the main point is being mixed in the shuffle of considerations.

166 Seize him!!!!

167
punch back twice as hard.... and all that.

so why was Sherrod fired if she's so perfectly innocent?

168 Breitbart to Internet: This is about the NAACP. Breitbart to CNN: This is about the NAACP. Breitbart to FNC: This is about the NAACP. Left: This is about Shirley Sherrod. Dave Weigel rules in effect. Everything "fucking moronic" doesn't deserve equal coverage. Sorry Left. Weigel says you don't get coverage.

169

This is sort of like "Bonfire of the Vanities."  By the end, everyone is guilty.

It's been pointed out that Breitbart has tapes (plural) so I'm wondering if we've yet to see another Sherrod tape that swings this whole thing back into the "Sherrod IS a racist" corner again.  Brietbart may have the WH and the NACCP swinging back and forth on their position again like puppets on strings.  I shall stay tuned.

170 so why was Sherrod fired if she's so perfectly innocent?

Because the Tea Party is racist.

171 169
punch back twice as hard.... and all that.

so why was Sherrod fired if she's so perfectly innocent?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 21, 2010 08:53 AM (0fzsA)

Better yet, why did she resign if she is so innocent? I say there are more scorpions under that rock and she has said and done much worse. Do not shed tears for that woman.

172

I say there are more scorpions under that rock and she has said and done much worse

 

Shhh!  The media will catch on!!!

173

our new motto should be:

Donkey Punch back twice as hard

174 Her departure is the same as Weigel's from the Post. They both resigned. If they had strong cases, um, well, wouldn't they fucking defend themselves? What kind of bold warrior class is the press training if their recruits disappear faster than valurite vodka and blow at a moron and hobo convention when challenged?

175 Stupid f+ing wingnuts, don't even recognize a Win when one drops into their laps.

176

Donkey Punch back twice as hard

 

STOP PUNCHING DOWN!!!

177

Jim in San Diego,

I agree with that sentiment and that is why Dan Riehl is quickly becoming one of my favorite bloggers. He has adopted the left's rules. No sympathy, no empathy, you play to win.  A Reagan-esque we win, they lose mentality.

178 wiat, did ackemann resign?

179 179

Jim in San Diego,

I agree with that sentiment and that is why Dan Riehl is quickly becoming one of my favorite bloggers. He has adopted the left's rules. No sympathy, no empathy, you play to win.  A Reagan-esque we win, they lose mentality.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2010 09:01 AM (wuv1c)

PRAGMATISM over PURITY!

180
Yep.

If Sherrod is so perfectly wonderful and pure and non-racist - why the firing?


Breitbart released the tape to establish the NAACP contains racists, and the NAACP made a big spectacle of throwing Sherrod under the bus to refute what is irrefutable.

181

 

171  ...so I'm wondering if we've yet to see another Sherrod tape that swings this whole thing back into the "Sherrod IS a racist" corner again. 

My exact thoughts this morning. Breitbart is not a moron. I'm betting he is holding another ace up his sleeve, just like in the  ACORN case.

A first salvo, see what happens, and then a knock out punch.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet...

182

The fat lady hasn't sung yet...

 

Hey!  I'm right here!

183 First, this was not a super bombshell by Breibart. It was the WH and NAACP that reacted so quickly. For good reason, this is some of the milder stuff that goes on behind closed doors and the hit was against them, not her. Second, Breitbart doesn't have credibility to lose. The MSM doesn't cover him anyway. He's a provocateur and if there's any scandal about the videos, it's that the NAACP didn't have the videos out there. David Horowitz puts his organization's videos on iTunes for free. Also, what about that edit? Third, she kind of a jerk and an idiot. It's not a bad thing that she's gone. The WH might have had other reasons to can her, like the revelation if her settlement. Breitbart wouldn't have a job if the MSM would do theirs.

184 O/T:  Beck opens up saying that "palin has been told that she cannot be a feminist cause it is a progressive movement"    Well, nice of them to clarify what we women were suspecting all along....guess the women's movement is only for some women, not for all women....lol

185 184  Sorry, I didn't hear you singing ... your mouth is full.

186 Brietbart's reply to all this should be:

"Gee, I didn't realize there were consequences to falsely accusing a group or person of being a racist. My Bad."

"now kiss my hairy, white a$$"

187 "L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!"
--Napoleon

188

"Though, one thing regular journalist would do is give the people involved, Sherrod/NAACP, a chance to review the video and offer comment before going to air/print/upload." ?????????????

 

Do you live in a fantasy world?

189

This. Fucking. Sucks.

Of ALL the local NAACP chapters out there led by racist nuts....with ALL of the videocams and cell phone cams out there....with Breitbart's savvy, supporters and bankroll...THIS was the best we could do in exposing the Left's racism.

A government employee talking about a 24-year-old incident, for which she apparently later redeemed herself and is delcared "like a member of the family" by her supposed white victim.

And now we spin it, "Well, if we just adopt the Left's pathetically low standards, we actually look good."

Someone just smuggle a camera into Obama's old church, or any of the 500 similar churches across the U.S., on any given Sunday, and get some honest footage that makes the point without misleading.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

 

190

189 "L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!"
--Napoleon

"Can I have your tater tots?" - Napoleon Dynamite

191

Well, nice of them to clarify what we women were suspecting all along....guess the women's movement is only for some women, not for all women....lol

Yep, Liberal woman.  That's all.  Just like the NAALCP

192

 No sympathy, no empathy, you play to win.

You'd think that would help our side pick off some people from the gangsta/thug element of the democratic party.

Get smart or die tryin'.

 

193 relax CJ, this is the first of many many many videos to come. Everyone knows that the modern NAACP is replete with Jew haters, just wait until those videos are released.

194 I expect pussies like Allahpundit to roll over for the lefty spin machine but I expected Ace to have some balls and stand up to this shit.Guess not.

At least the guys at Powerline get it.

http://tinyurl.com/32hsuhh

195 Does Beitbart have a boss, no. Does he have a single key advertiser he relies upon, no. Therefore, does he give a shit, no. Fire away, man - fire away. They will never respect you, so they might as well fear you.

196

Someone just smuggle a camera into Obama's old church, or any of the 500 similar churches across the U.S., on any given Sunday, and get some honest footage that makes the point without misleading.

Hell, they tape it themselves on black radio programs all around the country. We seem to have accepted the notion that black people can be racist, and everyone will tolerate it. It's another part of the bigotry of low expectations and the infantilization of black people. Sad, but true.

197 Ben: You'll have to be more specific. Spencer Ackerman was fired from the New Republic. He apparently "left" the Washington Independent. He now works for Wired Magazine. I'm curious if Ackerman actually "left" the Washington Independent. The Washington Independent is a project of the American Independent News Channel which shares high dollar donors with Media Matters and the Center for American Progress.

198

We seem to have accepted the notion that black people can be racist, and everyone will tolerate it.

 

It's called reparations, beyotch!

199 When you consider that the left has been and is going to be throwing lies out all the time, its only reasonable to fight fire with fire. We've already ceded the playing field and the rule writing to the libtards. Why play by the rules they impose on us? Play by the rules they use against us.Force them to live up to the standards they've held us to.
Victors write the history books. So lets win first, and clean it up in the revision.

200 "L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!"
--Napoleon

"Can I have your tater tots?" - Napoleon Dynamite

"Still can't bend my knee right."

201

NOW is barking up the wrong tree.  My wife has donated a good chunk of money towards NOW and Emily's List.

She still receives them, you will not believe the chit they lie about Palin.

My wife learned from me, she sends those donation envelops back filled with Palin donation receipts, along with the statment: "Abortions rights and women's right are not the same!"

My wife would never believe her pro-life's friends views that NOW was actually NOL(iberal)W, well its now 2010.  NOW is not pro-choice, they are pro-abortion, and intolerant of any other view. 

If my wife feels this way, I suspect there are many millions of other centerist indepednent thinking women who are now getting their eyes opened to NOW's hypocracy

202

191 .......

And now we spin it, "Well, if we just adopt the Left's pathetically low standards, we actually look good."

Yep, yep, yep. Stooping to lefty standards means.... we've lost our standards and suck as much as they do. Might as well bump fists with the MFM.

203

Someone just smuggle a camera into Obama's old church, or any of the 500 similar churches across the U.S., on any given Sunday, and get some honest footage that makes the point without misleading.

 

Posted by: CJ at July 21, 2010 09:12 AM (9KqcB)

Been there, done that; and then what? Was "God Damn America" just after 9/11 not good enough for you? The story was intentionally buried. Maybe you missed that link yesterday?

204

Best comment I heard on this topic:

 

"So, how many white farmers did she screw over until the lightbulb went off?"

205

"So, how many white farmers did she screw over until the lightbulb went off?"

Posted by: allmenroder at July 21, 2010 09:22 AM (gQ6Wj)

What I want to know is any MFM "journalist" making phone calls looking for those farmers. There has to be a bunch of them. I hope Breitbart has a few in the bullpen warming up.

206

What I want to know is any MFM "journalist" making phone calls looking for those farmers.

Not bloody likely!

207 I don't understand the desire of the left to use the racism battlecry. Do they need it to rally the black vote? If so, with a sitting black man as President, their internal polling must be horrible. Do they really think that they can derail a fiscal movement with petty labels; the bottom line is a fiscal line, not a feel good about yourselves line. I hate to paraphrase the whacky cajun - but "its the economy, stupid". The right just needs to stay focused on this Pelosi depression - and all of these distractions won't matter.

208

"So, how many white farmers did she screw over until the lightbulb went off?"

 

In her mind, it probably wasn't enough.

209 Seeing as how lefties love to go to Tea Parties with racist signs, I think we should infiltrate some NAACP with racist signs just to see what happens. Turnabout is fair play.

210

relax CJ, this is the first of many many many videos to come. Everyone knows that the modern NAACP is replete with Jew haters, just wait until those videos are released.

I appreciate your faith. Right now I see a fast ball down the middle turned into a foul ball pop fly.

Sure, most people get that the NAACP hates Jews. And they for the most part don't care. Obama's church gave a Lifetime Achievement Award to Americans to Minister Louie the Jew Hater. Americans voted for him anyway.

Got to do better.

211

 If so, with a sitting black man as President, their internal polling must be horrible.

If he were on the ballot in November, NAACP/Dem machine wouldn't be doing this.

212

Hell, they tape it themselves on black radio programs all around the country.

While were at it, when's the last time anyone translated what is said on Spanish speaking talk radio? Or Telemundo/Univision? I've heard it can be surprsing at times.

213 Sure, most people get that the NAACP hates Jews. And they for the most part don't care.

Well, then I guess we should all just move along? Nothing to see here. Sheesh.

214

How many black chicks does it take to screw in white balls?

We gotta man up and not back down, not candy coat what we say. They will either hate us anyway, or respect us for standing up for our beliefs and not being cowed down.

215 The macaca has turned. 

216

I'm not worried about Breitbart.  He is the only media guy right of center media who understands

*there is a fight taking place, between the socialists and the tea partiers, with the GOP mainly on the sidelines;

*the socialists' main weapon is the race card, with which they have completely subdued the GOP

*the NAACP is the O administration's big gun in the race card war; and

*the NAACP is full of racists.

Breitbart drew a little blood on the Race Card Warriors.  Be sure to send him a thank you note.

217 When she said "I didn't want to give him the full force of my office {because he was white}", THE NAACP AUDIENCED CHEERED and said "that's right".

Bullshit.  Look, lying isn't helping.  Or maybe you haven't seen the video?  There were no cheers after that line.  It was dead silence.  Crickets.  You're dead wrong, as is everyone parroting this line, and you're all going to wind up looking foolish.  There were a few chuckles later about when the farmer was trying to act superior to her, she was "trying to figure out how much help I was going to give him," but that part of the story was kind of ironic and funny.  I don't see how you get "the NAACP has racist speakers" from that.  This was Brietbart's error, if that's all he has.

This was not 20 years, this was 3 months ago.

A point CNN (a NEWS organization, they tell us) is STILL getting wrong on its website this morning.  They're describing it as "a speech from 24 years ago."  Unbelievable.

218 Someone just smuggle a camera into Obama's old church, or any of the 500 similar churches across the U.S., on any given Sunday, and get some honest footage that makes the point without misleading.

Why would you need to smuggle a camera into Obama's old church?  The "God damn America" recoeding was a DVD that was sold in their gift shop.  And what was the MFM response?  I believe it was the provably false "taken out of context" defense with an "Obama never heard Wright preach those things" chaser.  If the racist, anti-American hate-filled rants of Wright coupled with the fact that our president sat in those pews for 20 years without objection isn't proof enough, what is? 

219 Sock off

220 210
Without racial animosity there is no Democrat Party. If they were forced to rely on their principles (Socialism, government control over our daily lives, pre-emptive surrender to our enemies, etc.) they'd get about 25% of the vote. But hatred makes people act against their own best interests, so the Dems need people to hate something. "Whitey" is the last, best target for their strategy of distraction by deception.
Fortunately, I think the race card has grown tattered with use, and if they play it a few more times, it'll disintegrate completely.

221 Gateway Pundit says Ben Jealous was in attendance at the Sherrod speech. I guess that slipped his mind.

222

While were at it, when's the last time anyone translated what is said on Spanish speaking talk radio? Or Telemundo/Univision? I've heard it can be surprsing at times.

If we can deliver our message by a man dressed as a bumblebee surrounded by 11 hotties, I think we'll get much of the Hispanic community on board.

223 O/T:  Beck hasn't expanded on the NOW thing yet, too busy with the woman, shirley.  But seriously,  if you are a woman and you didn't realize this on the very day Sarah Palin was attacked and "the right to choose" was defined to mean something other than "the right to choose", when the minions on the boards were essentially saying that sarah palin was an idiot because she chose to have a child who was not perfect, the operative word here is chose and NOW was no where to be found, then if you didn't realize that their agenda must have been something other than "defending a woman's right to choose", well then, just turn in the woman card now.  NOW has been wholly silent on a lot of issues that matter to or should matter to a "national organization of American women" and way too many women, even the lib/dems have been asking "why aren't they saying something about "that".  And "that" is not abortion, it's other things that affect women, a whole host of issue on which they, NOW, has remained silent. Like the AARP, their members have been slowly realizing this and those donation envelopes have gone through the shredder.

224

Sure, most people get that the NAACP hates Jews. And they for the most part don't care. Obama's church gave a Lifetime Achievement Award to Americans to Minister Louie the Jew Hater. Americans voted for him anyway.

Got to do better.

Yeah, you're gonna need video of the leadership saying racist shit. Oh, it'll definately tar the organization if you get video of the membership going off that'll start driving "regular" folks away, but you really need to get the biggies to destroy the organization. 

Because that's what our objective has to be. to de-legitimize the NAACP and make the organization so beyond the pale for ordinary Americans, that anyone's association with it is the kiss of death. As far as I'm concerned the NAACP is to the Black Panthers what Sinn Fein is to the IRA. Same hate, just dressed up respectably.

225

Been there, done that; and then what? Was "God Damn America" just after 9/11 not good enough for you? The story was intentionally buried. Maybe you missed that link yesterday?

Saw the link. Was not surprised. I was saying as much when it was actually going down. But it proved the opposite of what you say. The story forced its way into the news anyway. Forced Obama to make a career-saving speech.

And that was when Americans were less comfortable dissing Obama over race. Now we take it to the next level. But so far this video has been a step backward.

226 Is anyone else seriously disturbed/concerned that the White House (very effectively) demonstrated that it can be bullyragged into stomping on its own crank --  with the golf shoes on -- fairly easily?

227 By the way, Brietbart shows video alleging racist speech at NAACP function?  No mention on the Today Show (the only MFM I am forced to watch).   Two hours, not a word.

Full video exonerates woman of alleged racist speech at NAACP function?  TOP FUCKING STORY, plus a full interview with Sherrod with Matt Lauer slamming Breitbart and FOX for airing "this garbage."

That's MFM being unbiased.

228

If we can deliver our message by a man dressed as a bumblebee surrounded by 11 hotties, I think we'll get much of the Hispanic community on board.

 

Aye, no me gusta!

229 I go by the co worker who greats me with "what's up with this?" and then proceeds to parrot everything that morning joe and mika said.   This person had been fully indoctrinated within an hour.  Asking "why would breitbart release a doctored tape?"  So there you have it, your ordinary, headline reading, busy bee American boils it down to one question.

230
Althouse has some important points.

"...Jealous doesn't acknowledge this personal responsibility. Indeed, he continues to operate in this instinctive, reactive mode. It's not as if he went looking for the truth about Sherrod. Sherrod came forward and defended herself by relating the whole story and complaining about the edit. Her presentation was a new embarrassment, and Jealous's current statement is a reaction to that. Moreover, his shot at "Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart" is another instant reaction. Not only does Jealous assume a motive behind the edit — "the intention of deceiving" — he assumes Fox News and Breitbart did the editing. But Breitbart says he received the video already edited. "

231 33 I hate it, but there's something to what Marion Berry said, that it's super helpful that the Tea Party has to waste a huge amount of its time defending itself from racism charges of absolutely no merit....  Still, there's some truth to the fact that if we simply defend ourselves all the time, waste our time saying we're sorry, or demanding high proof burdens from each other because we act like we don't trust each other, we've given up tremendous time to argue for limited government.

A lot of wisdom in those words.  Obutthead and his leftist buds are masters of the art of distraction.  They know how to divert public attention away from real issues by keeping their media puppets focused on rather trivial matters like false accusations of tea party ra-a-a-a-a-cism and whether or not Breitbart wronged some USDA flack.  We need to keep our eyes on the goal.  And that is returning this once-great nation to some semblance of limited government as defined in the Constitution.  Keep the focus on the issues, fellow Morons and Moronettes.

232 But so far this video has been a step backward.

Posted by: CJ at July 21, 2010 09:37 AM (9KqcB)

Not even. It's another brink in the wall of truthful reporting. The NAACP fucked up, now they are spinning, and you are buying into it.

233 224 Why have people on our side conceded to the word 'editied'.  The tape was not edited.  It was just allegedly not shown its full length.

Breitbart posted it as 2 separate clips.  They were obviously from the same speech, and there was no attempt to claim that it was shown in its entirety because it clearly wasn't.  Clips, not edits.  And the first clip leaves in the part where she says her 'eyes were opened', which seems to be overlooked by a lot of people who claim that it has been edited to show she is a racist.

234 Iblis -- Because that's what our objective has to be. to de-legitimize the NAACP and make the organization so beyond the pale for ordinary Americans, -- NO, thats a distraction - don't take the bait - win the House, and use the Appropriations committee to micro-manage all the little funding streams that support the racists - NAACP, SPLC, HBCU clauses, etc. Go for their wallet, full of our money - don't worry about legitimacy, let history judge them.

235

210--I don't understand the desire of the left to use the racism battlecry. Do they really think that they can derail a fiscal movement with petty labels; the bottom line is a fiscal line, not a feel good about yourselves line. I hate to paraphrase the whacky cajun - but "its the economy, stupid". The right just needs to stay focused on this Pelosi depression - and all of these distractions won't matter.  Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2010 09:27 AM (HsxaI)

The left has done nothing but win by playing the race card.  Its their big gun. They have completely neutered the GOP with it. And they apparently think the TP movement is so strong that they have to play their trump card.  And I am not nearly as sanguine as you that playing the race card won't work for them again.  That's why neutralizing the race card warriors is important, even though the main message, as you point out, is economic.

236

Well, then I guess we should all just move along? Nothing to see here. Sheesh.

Not saying that. I am saying it's needlesly narrow. I think the theNAACP's problem with white Americans covers Jews too.

237 Someone just smuggle a camera into Obama's old church,

I ditched cable a while back, so I don't know if this is still so, but Trinity used to have its Sunday morning service broadcast on BET every week.

None of this has ever been secret.

238

If the racist, anti-American hate-filled rants of Wright coupled with the fact that our president sat in those pews for 20 years without objection isn't proof enough, what is? 

You think one-and-done is what it took to expose anti-black racism in the 50s/60s? Why would you expect it to work that way now? Remember, this isn't about winning a 'gottcha' battle that will be forgotten in the next news cycle. This is about changing the dynamic of racial politics. Nullifying the Democrats' 40-year advantage. It might take more than a few clips.

The Wright thing alone forced Obama to make a career-saving speech on race. Sure, he was protected by the MFM. Remeber what one of the excuses was? "This kind of stuff is said all the time in black churches. It just sounds bad if you aren't used to it." Most Americans are not used to it, and it does sound bad. Let's get some of that footage, rather than a clip that helps the other side.

239

Not saying that. I am saying it's needlesly narrow. I think the theNAACP's problem with white Americans covers Jews too.

Posted by: CJ at July 21, 2010 09:45 AM (9KqcB)

And...?

So what's your point? That we should be addressing the NAACP's anti-semitism first, before we can address their anti-white racism? Go ahead, what's stopping you?

240 Louis - the race card was a big gun, when they controlled the discussion. The MSM's reach and control over the message is tenuous at best - so few watch and even fewer trust them at this point - that the race card only resonates with their own minions.

241 The previous comment with regards to black talk radio is correct. I used to listen to it out of DC -- WOW, if you thought Alex Jones was crazy ...

242

The NAACP fucked up, now they are spinning, and you are buying into it.

Is the NAACP saying that there must be a hundred better examples of NAACP racism out there than this? Because that's what I'm saying....

243

-- NO, thats a distraction - don't take the bait - win the House, and use the Appropriations committee to micro-manage all the little funding streams that support the racists - NAACP, SPLC, HBCU clauses, etc. Go for their wallet, full of our money - don't worry about legitimacy, let history judge them.

This is short-sighted Inside the Beltway thinking that conservatives often fall into. We say "America is not defined by the federal government" and then make the government the complete focus of our efforts.

Stripping the NAACP of its legitimacy would ultimately obviate the need to defund, and make America a better place to boot.

244

So what's your point? That we should be addressing the NAACP's anti-semitism first, before we can address their anti-white racism?

No. I am saying address the anti-white racism and the rest takes care of itself.

245 Some clown on MSNBC just commented:

"Opponents of the Obama Administration are using race as a wedge."

*sigh*

246

From msnbc.com the "thoughts" of  Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg

After conservative activist James O’Keefe pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for entering a federal building under false pretenses, you would have thought that all of us in the ACTUAL news business would have learned this lesson about Andrew Breitbart and his protégés: They’re not out for the truth; they’re out for scalps.

Breitbart and other conservatives used race as the bait to guilt the so-called MSM and the Obama administration. Is this a story about race? Is it a story about the media? It's both, but let's not let race be the shiny metal object that distracts from the conversation about today's media culture and Washington's addiction to it.

Who needs Journolist when there's PMSNBC?

247 242 You think one-and-done is what it took to expose anti-black racism in the 50s/60s? Why would you expect it to work that way now?

You think no one knew there was racism in the south?  Anti-black racism wasn't a secret that needed exposing.  It was in the open and well known.  It was overcoming the institutional racism that was the tough row to hoe.  The MFM and the other leftist idiots already know black racism is real and unchecked.  How many videos of racist rantings by Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, Malik Shabazz, New Black Panthers, etc have already been shown?  The left will never concede black racism exists, and in fact often declare black racism to be impossible. 

248 remember the "Death Panels" ...  this is the same thing ...  swing the hammer once in a while ...  see what jumps at the sound ...

249

You think no one knew there was racism in the south?  Anti-black racism wasn't a secret that needed exposing. It was in the open and well known.

Well how do think it became "well known"? How do think norther whites found about it, Morse code? It was chronicled and talked about over time.

And keep in mind, we're not really interested in winning over MFM and leftists. We're going after voters who don't spend time on blogs debate racism. People who don't like racism but have been conditioned for decades that it comes only from the Right. Those are our targets. We're trying to turn an oceanliner here. It will take time.

250

"Though, one thing regular journalist would do is give the people involved, Sherrod/NAACP, a chance to review the video and offer comment before going to air/print/upload." 

I remember how all those "regular" journalists did just that when the Tea Party was accused of spitting and hurling racist epithets at congressmen of color the day that the healthcare bill was passed. 

They were so very careful not to take the congressmen at their word.  They were so very careful to be sure and get lots of video clips to back up the congressmens' accusations.  They were so very careful to be sure and talk to lots of Tea Partiers who were there that day.  They were so very careful to show both sides of the story and to treat both sides fairly.

Yeah, that's what a "regular" journalist SHOULD have done with that particular story (and so many others) - too bad we haven't seen any of them in the MSM in quite some time.

251  Whatever side you take after the fact, so be it.  Breitbart did not report the news, he manufactured it.

252  Breitbart did not report the news, he manufactured it.

Posted by: doom_n_gloom at July 21, 2010 10:54 AM (LNOg6)

If that's true he's feeding the MFM its own medicine

253 254Well how do think it became "well known"? How do think norther whites found about it, Morse code? It was chronicled and talked about over time.

Well I'm pretty sure southern anti-black racism was known by northern whites from the inception of the Union. The point was well-driven home by the Civil War, so Morse code was quite likely used.

254 Britebart is a RACIST BIGOT for digging up an old video of an NAACP member talking about her political activisimisation and how she invokafied her own social justification. 

255

Haven't yet read all the comments, but I'm still disappointed from last night's thread.  I hate to see one of my favorite bloggers get it so wrong. 

Yes, I watched the whole video.  No, I didn't find anything in it that exculpates or exonerates either her fomer illegal actions - for which she was never held accountable - and her racism.

Forcefully is how the media helped railroad Lott out of his leadership position.  What the fuck did he say that was racist?  He was talking about something that happened with some other guy more than twice as far in the past as Sherrod and you had to infer racism at that.  Did the media or Democrats give him the benefit of the doubt?  Of course not.  It just helped the whole Republicans-are-racist meme.  He didn't get away with it.

Rand Paul makes a remark about Civil Rights legislation that's from more than 24 years ago and from which one has to conjure the racist bogeyman and he gets attacked mercilessly.  He didn't get away with it.

Joe Biden makes clearly racist remarks several times.  One apparently has no effect whatsoever on his campaign.  He gets away with it.

Harry "Bringing Back Negro" Reid makes a blatantly racist remark about the fucking POTUS, and the apologizing for him reaches epic proportions.   He gets away with it. 

The Liberal Democrat Media Complex can smear broad groups of people with completely unfounded charges of racism and get away with it all the god damned time, and they get away with it.

Sherrod makes not only several overtly racist remarks using racist language, but apparently engaged in blatantly illegal discriminatory actions, and suddenly this is a comeback kid, feel-good, made-for-TV movie about fucking redemption? 

How some of you prominent conservatives/righties/whatever can let the left and the media snatch an easy victory and shove defeat down your throats is a testament to just how cowed many of you still are by race.  You don't even have to have broken the so-called "rules" on this one. 

Keep waiting for the perfect opening guys.  Just lay off the anger and dismay at why we keep losing.

256 Brightbart deserves a medal for stepping up and tossing a bomb into the ranks of those who started all this by attempting to smear the opposition in the election as racists. The establishment left is now hopping around like the railroad guards singing Camptown Races in Blazing Saddles. And trying to blame Fox News. Andy Brightbart is the Audie Murphy of journalism. It's about time some people figured that out.

257 @ #252 - Jeff exactly what I was thinking. This is a brilliant move, like 'death panels' and we've got the sob sisters out wanting to apologize for it.

258 "IF IT BLEEDS, WE CAN KILL IT"

--the current governor of Cali, ( while in character )

259 248

So what's your point? That we should be addressing the NAACP's anti-semitism first, before we can address their anti-white racism?

No. I am saying address the anti-white racism and the rest takes care of itself.

Posted by: CJ at July 21, 2010 10:05 AM (9KqcB)

I'd love to force them to do that. I don't know how we could.

260 Do not say I'm a nagger, a niggler or say I'm acting niggardly, but white folks shouldn't receive government money. 

261

I have a question about all this that I think some are missing.   There is a reason, other than the clip that AB showed, that caused this administration to freak out and force Sherrod's resignation.   They were terrified that she was going to be on Beck, and as a matter of fact, I guarantee you they were instrumental in her canceling with Megyn Kelly yesterday.

Something else, other than that clip, scared the bejesus out of them and I want to know what that is.   Does it have anything to do with the revelations from the Washington Examiner?   There is something they don't want us to find out, either about this woman, or something that she knows or has done in the past that they are afraid will come out if she, or they, are looked at too closely.

What the hell is it?

262 Fuck contexts. This is war, and i've never seen a bullet out of context

263 How some of you prominent conservatives/righties/whatever can let the left and the media snatch an easy victory and shove defeat down your throats is a testament to just how cowed many of you still are by race.  You don't even have to have broken the so-called "rules" on this one.

Right fucking on! I have never done anything to hurt someone else based on their race, and I have nothing to apologize for. I am not going to shut up when someone yells RACIST! at me, because I know that person would be a liar.

264

As AB has demonstrated in the past, there is probably much more to the story that will come out timed to damage the opponents most (ala "prostitute" series).

He tossed it out there and it appears to me that they bit.  Now, depending on which way they run and how hard they fight will determine how long you play them and whether or not you use the net or the gaff.

CC

265 Fuck Ed Morrissey, AllahPundit, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Gabriel Malor and ACE?!! You're apologizing to this racist bitch?

266 WOW, if you thought Alex Jones was crazy ...

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2010 09:59 AM (XSlA+)

I worked with a woman in the green recycling business who believed Katrina was caused by Mardi Gras beads made in China.

267 Full Force Blacks.... whatever help at my disposal Whites.... Bankruptcy That sounds about right roflmao

268

This reminds me of my mom telling me "The devil thinks wrong because it does wrong."  How many times does the msm portray Limbaugh and Beck as racists KNOWING the context of their "soundbytes"?  How many times does Beck ridicule them for taking him out of context or Limbaugh present the context of his statement? 

Breitbart threw this out like a cliff hanger, the NAACP and Obama admin should have started an investigation but instead did a "kill her" like they expect the Right to do everytime they claim to have found a racist on the Right.  How many Republican politicians were asked about Limbaugh's opinions and asked if they agreed, knowing that the negative impression of Limbaugh was manufactured by out of context soundbytes. 

269 Once again, Conservative pundits miss the point.

Even the full video shows the woman making allegations of racism against Republicans because ... because well, they disagree with her.

Not exactly stellar conduct from a supposedly "Non-Partisan" federal employee.

What's with Conservative pundits these days?  They have no balls.

Breitbart has balls though.

270 I didn't see anything wrong with the way Breitbart released the video. It was not intended to say the Sherrod did anything wrong. His point was that the NAACP audience clapped and cheered when they heard that she has discriminated against a white person. He never said the Sherrod was a racist. That was Obama's and the NAACP's rush to judgment. The fact that her narrative ended with a statement that she had repented of her former attitude was irrelevant to the point. The audience did not know that was how it would end. Zero damage to Breitbart.

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