February 09, 2010
— Slublog John Brennan, Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, recently said the following:
Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda. Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill. They will, however, be dismantled and destroyed, by our military, our intelligence services and our law enforcement community. And the notion that America's counterterrorism professionals and America's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous miscreants is absurd.Now, there are some who say that our president has managed to create the atmosphere of political civility he promised during the campaign, and that he is working diligently to change the tone in Washington. Let me be clear: I reject that view. Today I say to you that there is no meaningful difference between a president who directly attacks his critics and a president who unleashes his attack dogs upon the same. We must reject as false the distinction our president is trying to make, and hold him to the promises he once made.
Mr President, if you are now against politically motivated criticism, does this mean that you recant or regret the words you spoke in 2002?
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.It is gratifying to see your administration realize that we should not allow reflexive partisanship to threaten national unity in the face of a common enemy, and it is unfortunate that you did not always speak with that goal in mind:What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
In other words -- What kind of debate are we willing to have?On August 28, 2008 you stood before a crowd in Mile High Stadium in Denver and made a number of promises to the American people. Among those promises was this:Last week, the White House showed exactly what kind of debate it wants on future of Iraq - none.
We watched the shameful attempt to paint John Murtha - a Marine Corp recipient of two-purple hearts and a Bronze Star - into a coward of questionable patriotism. We saw the Administration tell people of both parties - people who asked legitimate questions about the intelligence that led us to war and the Administration's plan for Iraq - that they should keep quiet, end the complaining, and stop rewriting history.
This political war - a war of talking points and Sunday news shows and spin - is not one I'm interested in joining. It's a divisive approach that only pushes us further from what the American people actually want - a pragmatic solution to the real war we're facing in Iraq.
But what I will not do is suggest that the Senator takes his positions for political purposes. Because one of the things that we have to change in our politics is the idea that people cannot disagree without challenging each other's character and patriotism.That is a promise you reiterated after taking the oath of office. In your first remarks as our newest president, you promised "an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics." The question we ask ourselves today is whether you have forgotten those promises, or if you ever believed them at all. Let me be clear, Mr. President. We agree that national security should not be a partisan issue, and that the most important function of government is to keep its people safe. But make no mistake - a party that spent eight years sowing the wind should not be surprised when the whirlwind of recriminations and partisanship overtakes them. The current political atmosphere is regrettable, but it was also preventable.The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party.
With very few exceptions, Republicans have refrained from engaging in the small-minded politics of reflexive partisanship when it comes to national security. We have criticized your policies, but we have not, and will not, engage in the shrill auto-contrarian hatred that the left marinated in during the previous administration. We applaud your willingness to maintain Bush-era policies that keep America safe, but in doing so, will you now recognize that your previous opposition seems now to be little more than the knee-jerk response of a partisan?
Now, I don't mean to suggest that the divisions between us are too vast to bridge. To paraphrase the words of the prophet Isaiah, I believe it's still possible for us to reason together. If we are to have that conversation, this administration must be willing to acknowledge that it has not lived up to the promises of the past and find a new way forward. A way that rejects the disingenuous and bad-faith arguments your advisers are currently making. If you believe the words you once spoke, now is the time to put them into action.
In the end, Mr. President, it comes down to a single question. Is dissent still patriotic?
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Posted by: pep at February 09, 2010 06:38 AM (0K3p3)
Posted by: Close outer doors - Down scope at February 09, 2010 06:40 AM (ITzbJ)
I noticed that Brennan referenced terrorism a few times in the article.
Is that term back on the table? Can they update their meme? I'm confused as to what we're permitted to call it these days.
This op-ed is just an extension of Obama's snit-fit last week. Shut off the blogs! Turn on Fox!!1!!! Oh and let me throw in CNN and MSNBC for good measure.
The desperation at this point is palpable.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 09, 2010 06:42 AM (jHk+M)
Those people at NPR are just wicked perceptive! Damn!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at February 09, 2010 06:43 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 09, 2010 06:43 AM (40yOy)
No lie. I predict that it will be only six months or so before the rats begin to leave the sinking ship.
Posted by: Winston Smith at February 09, 2010 06:44 AM (BFqyO)
No, no, it isn't.
Trying to wage war with lawyers and judges and legal briefs is absurd.
Posted by: nickless at February 09, 2010 06:45 AM (MMC8r)
Very well said.
Unfortunately, this administration is going to kick and scream about any effort to solve our nation's problems in a post-partisan way. For self preservation, perhaps we should start believing the opposite of everything they tell us.
Posted by: President Obumbles at February 09, 2010 06:47 AM (DH/cp)
A competent administration would reboot and reorganize, but Obama's isn't flexible enough to do that. That's what happens when you never had any core competence to begin with.
Posted by: pep at February 09, 2010 06:47 AM (0K3p3)
Posted by: citizen khan at February 09, 2010 06:47 AM (1UMF+)
No. (sheesh I was told there were "no stupid questions", I guess I was wrong)
Posted by: Barry Sotero at February 09, 2010 06:48 AM (RykTt)
I'm long past the point where I just assume that anything Obama, or his minions, say is a lie, or at the very least, self-serving spin.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Posted by: toby928 at February 09, 2010 06:49 AM (PD1tk)
"Let me be clear, Mr. President. We agree that national security should not be a partisan issue, and that the most important function of government is to keep its people safe. But make no mistake - a party that spent eight years sowing the wind should not be surprised when the whirlwind of recriminations and partisanship overtakes them. The current political atmosphere is regrettable, but it was also preventable."
I see what you did there. And my nether-regions yearn to envelop themselves with its silky embrace.
Posted by: reason at February 09, 2010 06:49 AM (5npD/)
Posted by: maddogg at February 09, 2010 06:49 AM (OlN4e)
I believe it's still possible for us to reason together...as long as the progressives regressives invite gets lost in the mail.
/fixed
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 09, 2010 06:50 AM (jHk+M)
If you oppose this Manchurian-Candidate Muslim President, then you're just helping Al-Queda.
Right. Got it.
Posted by: TexasJew at February 09, 2010 06:50 AM (GHq7I)
But in this case their best defense is Bush did it too.
Posted by: Mal at February 09, 2010 06:51 AM (Z+qzA)
but you see, excessive partisanship and hoping for failures when a Republican was in charge was "truth to power". Now, it's Teh Devil!
Posted by: eddiebear at February 09, 2010 06:52 AM (wnU1W)
Posted by: MSNBC at February 09, 2010 06:52 AM (+zo63)
19 If you oppose this Manchurian-Candidate Muslim President, then you're just helping Al-Queda.
Right. Got it.
You! Yes, You! Just for that you get no New York trial!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at February 09, 2010 06:53 AM (RkRxq)
Oh wait. Evil Rethuglicans are helping al-Qaeda.
Posted by: Holger at February 09, 2010 06:53 AM (8NGHm)
To paraphrase the words of the prophet Isaiah, I believe it's still possible for us to reason together.
Good post but I disagree with that line there. It takes two to "reason together". When one side only wants to spew bullshit and take down the country it is not possible to "reason".
As a once famous conservative said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".
Posted by: Vic at February 09, 2010 06:53 AM (QrA9E)
Zero and his merry band of idiots are the best opportunity Al Qaeda is ever gonna have to hit us hard. They would be fools to miss this chance. And I don't think they are the kind of fool to miss out on their best opportunity to kill as many of us as they can. They won't get such a chance in the future.
Posted by: maddogg at February 09, 2010 06:54 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Paladin at February 09, 2010 06:54 AM (XZu3c)
Posted by: Barack Obama at February 09, 2010 06:56 AM (bN5ZU)
I don't believe it's possible, either. I was writing in O-style, which meant I had to include a random Bible verse somewhere.
Posted by: Slublog at February 09, 2010 06:56 AM (qjKko)
Isn't this the same genius who accused Republican Senators and congressmen of lying last week, pissing them off royally?
If Congress goes Republican, this POS will have to escape to Pakistan and live in the cave with Bin Laden.
Posted by: TexasJew at February 09, 2010 06:57 AM (GHq7I)
President The Won does not want dissent, patriotic or otherwise. He wants the kind of forced obedience given by the peasants in Cuba, or the old USSR, or China, or any other dictatorship. It must be driving him to distraction that his own party members in the House & Senate won't do his bidding and pass his commie agenda.
The only reason he has such huge majorities in both houses is because Rahm Emmanuel is too clever by half, and Rahm went out and recruited moderate democrats to run for office in moderate districts. The press was simultaneously waging its own war against the Bush administration, so the elections of 2006 and 2008 were more a popularity contest featuring a battered Bush as the face of the republican party. The democrats won a lot of seats. But those people know perfectly well that their voters at home are not moonbats and are not happy about the direction the country is taking. Hence their reluctance to vote for their own political destruction.
I used to think that term limits for the US House and US Senate would be a good idea, clean out the deadwood every so often. The events of the last year have changed my mind. Clearly the only thing that has stopped the commie agenda has been the desire of those moderate democrats to continue holding their cushy jobs in Congress. If all of them knew they would be lame ducks someday anyway, many of them would have voted for anything Obama threw at them. Why not, if they might be able to secure some favors to be used in the future when they were term-limited out of office?
Posted by: Boots at February 09, 2010 06:57 AM (06JTY)
Posted by: TexMex at February 09, 2010 06:58 AM (HPPyU)
"Trying to wage war with lawyers, judges and legal briefs is absurd." - nickless
Badda-Bing!!!!!
That's telling it like it is. Those officious, arrogant, pompous asses do more harm than good.
Posted by: Give that man a Kewpie Doll at February 09, 2010 06:58 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Rocks at February 09, 2010 06:59 AM (Q1lie)
Mr. President, kiss the sunny side of my ass.
Posted by: Dell at February 09, 2010 07:00 AM (o0L0L)
I agree, but I'd also have to note that Bush did himself no favors by stepping on his d*ck with "immigration reform."
Also, there was some serious hanky panky in the Republican primary process, and the selection of "Obama-Lite" as the R candidate.
Posted by: Winston Smith at February 09, 2010 07:01 AM (BFqyO)
Treating terrorism like a crime problem and handing out summons and tickets, is a lot of the reason we're at where we are now in this war. Clinton anyone?
Hey brennan, blow me you hack.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner. at February 09, 2010 07:03 AM (erIg9)
From NRO's "Campaign Spot"
He Knows Who His Real Enemy Is, I Guess
"Looking again at the John Brennan op-ed in USA Today, I see he refers to Abdulmutallab as a "suspect" but asserts that administration critics, ipso facto, "serve the goals of al-Qaeda."
In other words, in the eyes of one the administration's top men on counterterrorism, Abdulmutallab gets a presumption of innocence that you and I don't."
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at February 09, 2010 07:03 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Mal at February 09, 2010 07:04 AM (Z+qzA)
Is dissent still patriotic?
I'm working on a documentary: From Patriotic to Racist Overnight; Dissent's Journey into the Abyss.
Posted by: Mama AJ at February 09, 2010 07:05 AM (Be4xl)
Slublog, this is a fine piece of writing.
However I think your tactic of using comparative logic is lost on the average liberal voter.
They got their guy and they're going to ride that dude into the abyss.
Posted by: solitary knight at February 09, 2010 07:07 AM (czuym)
Zero and his merry band of idiots are the best opportunity Al Qaeda is ever gonna have to hit us hard. They would be fools to miss this chance. And I don't think they are the kind of fool to miss out on their best opportunity to kill as many of us as they can. They won't get such a chance in the future.
Posted by: maddogg at February 09, 2010 10:54 AM (OlN4e)
+100 right on the money maddogg!
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at February 09, 2010 07:07 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 09, 2010 07:07 AM (I6+BT)
Posted by: TexasJew at February 09, 2010 07:08 AM (GHq7I)
GOP response in same line as Slublogs response to bipartisanship offer with regards to health care http://tiny.cc/fsf6N
Posted by: dastardly willow at February 09, 2010 07:10 AM (7FgWm)
For self preservation, perhaps we should start believing the opposite of everything they tell us.
Yes, this political environment is going to decay into something ugly, because to the True Believers, they really ARE at war with the Teabaggers/conservatives/whathaveyou. Things are going to get ugly, but the more the mask is removed from the 'progressives', the more the average American recoils in disgust.
Posted by: Dang Straights at February 09, 2010 07:11 AM (fx8sm)
To paraphrase the words of the prophet Isaiah, I believe it's still possible for us to reason together.
You'll get dismissed as a flat-earther if you reference something religious. And the part after the comma is just not true.
Just rework that sentence.
Posted by: agnostica at February 09, 2010 07:12 AM (gbCNS)
I was writing in O-style, which meant I had to include a random Bible verse somewhere.
O-style; LOL good one, is that the same as O-logic?
Posted by: Vic at February 09, 2010 07:13 AM (QrA9E)
"Trying to wage war with lawyers, judges and legal briefs is absurd." - nickless
I hate those guys!!!
Posted by: Dean Wormer, Faber College at February 09, 2010 07:13 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner. at February 09, 2010 07:14 AM (erIg9)
Winston Smith -
Agreed, the immigration reform issue was an unforced error of unbelievable proportions. Why would the republican party try and import as many new democrat voters as possible???
And I also couldn't figure out how the despised McCain won the republican primary. I admire the man's service and the courage he clearly possesses, and the sacrifices he made while in uniform. But his political career has been one gigantic thumb in the eye to his fellow republicans. He has enjoyed his role as the republican who hates other republicans and gets stroked by the press for being so "reasonable". There can't be that many Navy vets in the republican electorate to put him over the top.
Posted by: Boots at February 09, 2010 07:14 AM (06JTY)
54 I'm seriously wondering who's more of a danger to this country, this administration and it's cronies, or the terrorists around the world.
Does it matter? One hand washes the other.
Posted by: maddogg at February 09, 2010 07:15 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner. at February 09, 2010 07:15 AM (erIg9)
Leave It to Beaver Episode 158, in which the Beaver discovers that being fourth grade class president is hard. Especially all the math and letters and stuff. John Edwards guest stars as Eddie Haskell.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 09, 2010 07:15 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 09, 2010 07:15 AM (ySQoK)
As a once famous conservative said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue". Posted by: Vic
It was Harry Jaffa's phrase written for B. Goldwater. Jaffa's said recently he wasn't proud of that line.
Posted by: Iskandar at February 09, 2010 07:16 AM (/o58C)
Boots, McCain won because the Republican party hasn't figured out yet that close primaries are a good thing for the party.
That and teh Fred! and teh Rudy! ran two of the worst campaigns ever.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 09, 2010 07:16 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 09, 2010 07:19 AM (vVM8h)
That and teh Fred! and teh Rudy! ran two of the worst campaigns ever.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 09, 2010 11:16 AM (B+qrE)
Yeah Fred. dammit. guy has some good ideas, and some shitty campaign practices.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner. at February 09, 2010 07:20 AM (erIg9)
If you think of them as very traditional Catholic voters, who would ultimately hit a "hard stop" of faith regarding much of the democrat agenda, maybe it makes more sense?
I don't think that scenario was a slam dunk by any means, but making long term bets on demographic trends is a viable approach.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 09, 2010 07:20 AM (I6+BT)
Sure, as long as your dissenting against Republicans. Then have at it. Nuance, my dear Slublong, NUANCE!
Posted by: GarandFan at February 09, 2010 07:20 AM (ZQBnQ)
Jaffa's said recently he wasn't proud of that line.
What did he do, become a damn liberal squish?
Posted by: Vic at February 09, 2010 07:21 AM (QrA9E)
What no posts yet on Obama's naked political ploy of a "Health Care Summit"? Come on Ace of Spades HQ, man up, that is some juicy stuff.
Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2010 07:21 AM (Bs34i)
Posted by: citizen khan at February 09, 2010 07:21 AM (1UMF+)
Fred hemmed and hawed, would he run, maybe he wouldn't run, maybe he'll make a decision, maybe he won't...........enough already.
I wanted to vote for Rudy, even tho he's squishy on social issues he's strong on defense and his work in NYC speaks for itself - lower crime rate after his years as a prosecutor, and a more liveable city after his years as mayor. He does have all the issues with the wives, the ex-wife, what have you. But it's all out there. As opposed to Obama, where everything was and still is a big secret.
Posted by: Boots at February 09, 2010 07:22 AM (06JTY)
Posted by: maddogg at February 09, 2010 07:24 AM (OlN4e)
Thing is, I agree with Brennan that we do tend to act as if these terrorists are infallible, as if their idiotic plans and failed attempts are actual attacks. They're not attacks, really--they're thwarted attacks. That distinction is everything and we should all act like it. That is, to laugh at AQ and their exploding Hanes.
What I don't get is why Brennan would try to make that case in what is a thinly-veiled attack piece. Does he hope the logic of "They're not ten-feet tall" carries him over the weakness of his "Try them here!" case because he spits it all out one one glob?
You get the feeling he's dissemintaing talking points to the Times rather than engaging opponents. Business as usual for the Zero Administration.
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 09, 2010 07:25 AM (rplL3)
Posted by: citizen khan at February 09, 2010 07:25 AM (1UMF+)
What did he do, become a damn liberal squish?
Posted by: VicNo. Not in the slightest. He was asked about it in an interview. He shies away from the question so it seems like he just doesn't like the phrase anymore.
Uncommon Knowledge: Part 4 of 5
Posted by: Iskandar at February 09, 2010 07:26 AM (/o58C)
Well said, and chilling to contemplate.
Posted by: toby928 at February 09, 2010 07:26 AM (PD1tk)
I don't give a fuck what this cock sucking hack says. I care about what he does.
How did this useless piece of shit handle Richard Burns the Panty bomber.
He handled him the same way he'd handle a house burlgar.
EPIC FAIL.
Why is anyone surprised. This IS OBAMA.
Posted by: gus at February 09, 2010 07:26 AM (Vqruj)
We wave the flag. They mock those that wave.
Posted by: polynikes at February 09, 2010 11:27 AM (m2CN7)
they also burn it.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner. at February 09, 2010 07:28 AM (erIg9)
Obama did, is not, and has none.
Posted by: alppuccino at February 09, 2010 07:34 AM (za5cN)
Granted, yet there's a very real danger in that viewpoint. Underestimating your opponent is a good way to get your ass kicked. In fact, I'll bet that lots of these lame-brain AQ schemes are designed to be underestimated.
Historically, one of AQ's signature moves is multiple, simultaneous and coordinated attacks. Yet the undiebomber and the shoebomber among others are single, isolated attacks. Part of that is because of the damage that we've done to AQ over the past 9 years, making coordinated attacks more difficult. But I can't help wondering if some of this is by design.
Posted by: The Chicken at February 09, 2010 07:35 AM (I/MqP)
Another reason the electorate had better think long and hard before believing anything a Democrat seeking national office says about national security.
Great post!
Posted by: logprof at February 09, 2010 07:36 AM (gJL6J)
Historically, one of AQ's signature moves is multiple, simultaneous and coordinated attacks.
Posted by: The Chicken at February 09, 2010 11:35 AM (I/MqP)
I love this blog.
Posted by: Mama AJ at February 09, 2010 07:36 AM (Be4xl)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 09, 2010 07:37 AM (I/MqP)
If they were 100 feet tall we'd be able to recognize them. Then Naplitano would send larger jets for them so as not to discrminate against 100 foot tall Muslims.
Speaking of 100 feet tall, the WORLD TRADE CENTER was over one thousand feet tall. What happened to it? Did some "SUSPECTS" crash jets into them or soemthing??
You know what folks. These mother fuckers seriously don't get it. Brennan tells us we shouldn't have fear? Just a little over a month ago a Muzztard attempted to detonate a BOMB on board a flight over Detroit.
And we're supposed to have confidence in these fools??
Posted by: gus at February 09, 2010 07:38 AM (Vqruj)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 09, 2010 07:39 AM (I/MqP)
Speak for yourself, you effin' retard. I don't agree with that except to the extent I can wring a crisis out of it to foment change. Because He won.
Posted by: Rahm Emanuel, Crises Management at February 09, 2010 07:40 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: docj at February 09, 2010 07:40 AM (pGuf6)
I wanted to vote for Rudy, even tho he's squishy on social issues he's strong on defense and his work in NYC speaks for itself
He looked like he could barely stay awake most of the time and showed the energy of a sick squid.
We got Mclame for a variety of reasons; the biggest reason was the stupid "winner take all" way most the the States had in the Republican primaries. Before everyone started dropping out McLame only got about 30% of the vote. That meant that 70% of the primary voters (e.g. the base) did not want him. a large percentage of that "base" stayed at home on election day.
Open primaries was another reason, but only in States that allowed people to vote in both primaries.
The "fire in the belly" meme was a pure product of the liberal media, which included Fox. IIANM that phrase was actually invented by liberal commie Piss Wallace.
As for RINO Rudy, yes his record speaks for itself. He is like most NE RINOs, he is liberal on everything bit defense, not just "social issues". The cutting spending credit in NYC actually belongs to his predicessor in NYC.
He is a gun grabber, he believes in open borders, and he was the one actually repsonsible for the SCOTUS decison that elliminated the line item veto. Fck him. And BTW, Fox was pushing him up until they found that he was teh stupid and wasn't going to campaign until FL.
After that Fox started pushing McLame. The Republican side of Fox is max RINO. Currently they favor Romney.
Posted by: Vic at February 09, 2010 07:47 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: slade at February 09, 2010 07:50 AM (XsHAM)
Posted by: oldhardhead at February 09, 2010 07:50 AM (HOEF/)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
Don't take too much stock in what he says, though. He's just looking out for his own rear.
Posted by: Iskandar at February 09, 2010 07:52 AM (/o58C)
Posted by: evil libertarian at February 09, 2010 07:53 AM (T/nSR)
But I can't help wondering if some of this is by design.
Yeah, and the quality of sone of these volunteer martyrs is worrying. Richard Reed? Big friggin' doof. Pantybomber? Spills his guts when threatened with Kaffir-lunch. Not exactly prime recruits, either of them.
So it is worth questioning whether they send these losers to test us or to lull us into complacency or if they simply cannot find a better class of idiot to die for them. We should assume the worst case.
Myself I don't want to play into their hands, treat them like they are so scary that we cannot try them in a civilian area. We shouldn't because it's stupid and horrible precedent, but not because we're scared they might try to bomb us.
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 09, 2010 07:58 AM (rplL3)
Of course dissent is still patriotic -- but just as only whites can be racist, only leftists can engage in dissent.
Check your premises.
Posted by: Ken at February 09, 2010 08:00 AM (e+x+O)
Posted by: JW at February 09, 2010 08:02 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: ed at February 09, 2010 08:02 AM (Urhve)
The civility claim, by you of all people, staggers me.
I’ve consistently read people on this website refer to the president in derisive terms and name-calling (‘teh One’, ‘Messiah’), much more than on any other conservative website I browse.
“Today I say to you that there is no meaningful difference between a president who directly attacks his critics and a president who unleashes his attack dogs upon the same.”
Does this include former president BushÂ’s attack dogs, Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al.? I guess you're condemning Bush too in this statement.
“…we should not allow reflexive partisanship to threaten national unity in the face of a common enemy…”
Yet this is exactly what AoS did in the immediate aftermath of the recruiting station shooting, the Fort Hood massacre and the Christmas Day bombing.
I'm no great fan of Obama--so far I judge him to be pretty much a failure, but this is hypocrisy in the extreme.
Posted by: JEA at February 09, 2010 08:03 AM (AfORa)
JEA needs to learn the difference between a blogger and a political appointee of the Executive.
Posted by: ThomasD at February 09, 2010 08:08 AM (21H5U)
We have learned at your knee, Monsieur Racecard.
Posted by: toby928 at February 09, 2010 08:09 AM (PD1tk)
Yeah, we'll take that straight to heart.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 09, 2010 08:13 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 09, 2010 08:16 AM (qwK3S)
I disagree. They failed only because of the incompetence of the terrorist, not because of anything the government did...by the grace of God, if you will.
Posted by: Enrico Palazzo at February 09, 2010 08:16 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 09, 2010 08:18 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 09, 2010 08:20 AM (qwK3S)
slulog, that is very well written and articulates much of what I have been feeling in an intelligent, rational, dare I say-'non-partisan' way.
Obama should read this and cringe; but sadly, he won't read it and if he did, I think he is too shameless to cringe. But maybe, in his heart of hearts, he would know...
Nice job!
Posted by: RM at February 09, 2010 08:22 AM (GkYyh)
Great post, Slu!
There's a good op-ed today in WSJ, "Cheney's Revenge"
"...the Administration has tried to break from its predecessors on serveral big anti-terror issues, and it is on those that it is suffering the humiliation of having to walk back from its righteous declarations. This is Dick Cheney's revenge."
Here's the link to the whole thing:
http://tinyurl.com/ylqqdd5Posted by: runningrn at February 09, 2010 08:28 AM (CfmlF)
With very few exceptions, Republicans have refrained from engaging in the small-minded politics of reflexive partisanship when it comes to national security. We have criticized your policies, but we have not, and will not, engage in the shrill auto-contrarian hatred that the left marinated in during the previous administration. We applaud your willingness to maintain Bush-era policies that keep America safe, but in doing so, will you now recognize that your previous opposition seems now to be little more than the knee-jerk response of a partisan?
Yup!
Posted by: runningrn at February 09, 2010 08:30 AM (CfmlF)
I've never heard of the Marine Corporation.
I guess the sooper-genius, hyper-educated JugEars and his minions have never heard of a silent "S".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 09, 2010 08:31 AM (I/MqP)
You guys missed the real "hooter" in John Brennan's attack speech. He said it made no difference whether the Knickerbomber was handled by the military or by the US Attorneys. He said "the rules of interrogation are the same in each instance". Our blindingly brilliant counter terrorism chief failed to note that having an attorney representing the Knickerbomber might make this one little eensie wiensie tiny bit of difference. The lawyer can and did tell the Knickerbomber to STFU--which he did. He didn't want to play anymore and talk anymore. Sorry, you don't get to take a "time out" and say "I'm not talking because my lawyer told me not to talk" in military interrogations. Now you may sit mute and not say much, but the military keep coming back.
You know if you can't blind the rubes with brilliance, you try to baffle them with bullshit. I'm certain this crapola will do down well in Berkeley, San Francisco and Austin, but out in the real world, we can smell bullshit when it's flung in our face.
Posted by: Corncob Supporter at February 09, 2010 08:31 AM (ktYjH)
Thesis: President not living up to own promises of civility and new politics
Response: "But you mean blog commenters say mean stuff about the president, so you're like, hypocrites or something."
Question yet to be answered by president's apologists: How the rhetoric by blog commenters (who are not elected officials) somehow removes Obama's obligation to govern in the manner he promised before the election.
Posted by: Slublog at February 09, 2010 08:37 AM (qjKko)
William McGurn also had a good column today: "Bush Was Right, Says Obama".
"This weekend, Americans were treated to something new: Barak Obama defending his war policies by suggesting they merely continue his predecessor's practices. The defense is illuminating, not least for its implicit recognition that George W. Bush has more credibility on fighting terrorists than does the sitting president....Leave aside, just for a moment, the substance. Far more arresting is that Mr. Obama now defends himself by invoking a man he has spent the past year blaming for al Qaeda's growth.
Here's the bigger picture: When Mr. Obama arrived in the Oval Office his first official act was to order the closing of Guantanamo in the manner of Christ cleansing the temple. Attorney General Eric Holder soon followed by opening a criminal investigation of the CIA's interrogaters. And everywhere he went, Mr. Obama told anyone who would listen that when it came to terror, he would be the anti-Bush.
Abdulmutallab's foiled attempt to blow up a Northwest flight has changed everything. The administration's misstatements and mishandling are provoking questions about its competence...In other words, we have what Team Obama would define as a messaging problem. So expect more presidential speeches sprinkled with tough-sounding words such as "war" and "terrorist." Maybe Robert Gibbs promising a review of policies that were themselves supposed to be revisions. And when they realize they cannot close it, perhaps a renaming of Guantanomo as our new "Carribean House of Constitutional Correction."
Posted by: runningrn at February 09, 2010 08:42 AM (CfmlF)
JEA,
After 8 solid years of foaming at the mouth hatred of George Bush - try "Bushitler" vs. "teh One" on the nastiness scale for starters - no one from the left - who lovingly proclaim themselves to be the very models of civil discourse and tolerance - has any credibility to call someone on the right out for lack of civility or hypocrisy. A non-starter.
Posted by: RM at February 09, 2010 08:43 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: nikkolai at February 09, 2010 08:50 AM (i4ujc)
So, even if Brennan had told GOP leaders that the FBI was interviewing Abdulmutallab, there was no reason for the GOP leaders to infer that this “high value target” had been or would be mirandized.
Posted by: Neo at February 09, 2010 08:50 AM (tE8FB)
May I assume that AoSHQ is aware that it was Brennan's people who broke into the State Department passport files?
Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser
updated 9:10 p.m. EDT, Sat March 22, 2008
cnn.com
They were trying to find [and, presumably, to destroy] any evidence that Obama [as Barry Soetoro] had travelled on an Indonesian passport on or after his 18th birthday.
Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship at the time, so if it could be proved that Barack "Barry" Obama Soetoro Dunham ever considered himself to be an Indonesian citizen on or after his 18th birthday, then he would be constitutionally ineligible to assume the presidency.
And, of course, they were also looking for any evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham might have crossed over into British Columbia, to give birth, right before she started classes, in Seattle, at the University of Washington, in mid-August of 1961.
PS: Jack Cashill has some interesting new speculation about what might be BHOJr's true biological ancestry [Cashill wonders whether the Dunhams hired BHOSr to pretend to be the biological father, and Cashill also wonders whether the August 4 birthdate could be fraudulent]:
Another Look at Obama's Origins
By Jack Cashill
February 07, 2010
americanthinker.com
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Posted by: The Chicken at February 09, 2010 09:03 AM (I/MqP)
Slublog: "How the rhetoric by blog commenters (who are not elected officials) somehow removes Obama's obligation to govern in the manner he promised before the election."
Did you read where I said I consider Obama pretty much a failure, or just conveniently skip that part?
RM, when did I say anything about the left being correct in attacking Bush? In fact, the right suffers from the exact same derangement syndrome the left suffered from when Bush was president.
You folks assume an awful lot, and read things I didn't even write.
Posted by: JEA at February 09, 2010 09:07 AM (AfORa)
"I guess the sooper-genius, hyper-educated JugEars and his minions have never heard of a silent "S"."
Rotten to the corps.
Posted by: reason at February 09, 2010 09:10 AM (5npD/)
No, I read it. I simply found it less than convincing.
Posted by: Slublog at February 09, 2010 09:17 AM (qjKko)
I'm certain this crapola will do down well in Berkeley, San Francisco and Austin, but out in the real world, we can smell bullshit when it's flung in our face.
Hey, don't lump me in with those moonbats. I'm weird, but at least I'm surrounded by millions of tough Texans.
Posted by: Austin at February 09, 2010 09:25 AM (F7GbV)
May I remind everyone that the Left has always required absolute decorum towards president in times of war, and when I say "presidents," of course I mean, "Democrat presidents."
1998: Secretary of State Madeline K. Albright said she was particularly upset that "somehow the rules that have existed for many years about criticizing the president when he's abroad seem to have been broken...I found that very unseemly and unbecoming to members of Congress," Albright said.
1998: Sen. Robert G. Torricelli (D-N.J.) said lawmakers who raise doubt about Clinton's motivation are inviting further defiance by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. He called their remarks "as close to a betrayal of the interests of the United States as I've ever witnessed in the United States Congress. It's unforgivable and reprehensible."
1999: "To conduct a divisive debate in Congress and perhaps fail to support our government's efforts is the height of irresponsibility," charged House Democratic leader Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri. "It seems that politics has infected foreign policy -- with great harm to our credibility overseas."
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 09, 2010 09:33 AM (1bLKF)
Posted by: mrp at February 09, 2010 09:38 AM (HjPtV)
Yeah, but I'd guess your reason for saying this is because you probably think he didn't succeed in forcing his hard-left agenda through, so you get no points from us.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 09, 2010 09:41 AM (hoowK)
Because he hasn't been Howard Zinn, Stalin, and Secular Black Santa Claus combined, and put all us evil haters into camps while taking back the People's Wealth for edification of the proletariat workers.
Sorry, your 'Obama Fail' is a fail.
Posted by: nickless at February 09, 2010 09:44 AM (MMC8r)
"Because he hasn't been Howard Zinn, Stalin, and Secular Black Santa Claus combined, and put all us evil haters into camps while taking back the People's Wealth for edification of the proletariat workers."
No. But my paranoia meter is off the scale.
Posted by: JEA at February 09, 2010 09:56 AM (AfORa)
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Posted by: GrumpyUnk at February 09, 2010 11:19 AM (d7zzZ)
"Yet this is exactly what AoS did in the immediate aftermath of the recruiting station shooting, the Fort Hood massacre and the Christmas Day bombing."
Is it just the AoS posters or do the commenters get promotions too? Elected officials? Political appointees? Bureaucrat? I'll take the compensation raise.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 09, 2010 11:19 AM (ucq49)
Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda.
This is coming from a regime that makes a habit out of politicizing legitimate concern over their ate-up approach to Islamic terrorism.
Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill.
The average Hadji that straps a bomb to their ass and blows up people for allah, doesn't have to be 100 feet tall.
They will, however, be dismantled and destroyed, by our military, our intelligence services and our law enforcement community.
As long as you get the fuck out of the way and let them do their job....and maybe BRIEF them about your decisions once in a fucking while.
And the notion that America's counterterrorism professionals and America's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous miscreants is absurd.
It would be nice to handle them with brass knuckles instead of kid gloves, you assclown.
Posted by: SFC MAC at February 09, 2010 11:47 AM (/9h7Q)
Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill.
I'm fucking tired of hearing what liberals think conservatives fear.
Posted by: Cincinnatus at February 09, 2010 12:43 PM (euuyg)
Guess the liberals are finally realizing how tired we are of hearing the same old tired, meaningless, over-used, undefined, all-occasion catch-all word "racism" being used by those who don't have anything else to say - so they changed it to terrorism. New word - same old garbage. Sorry - that isn't going to fly, either.
Posted by: Molly at February 09, 2010 01:23 PM (2+qzP)
Terrorists are not 100-feet tall.
Neither is Obama but his fucking incompetency scares the shit out of me.
Posted by: nostradamus' 401k at February 09, 2010 01:33 PM (PD1tk)
Spongeworthy ast 74 -- They're not attacks, really--they're thwarted attacks. That distinction is everything and we should all act like it. That is, to laugh at AQ and their exploding Hanes.
They were not thwarted attacks - they were attacks that failed. Our security system allowed Reid and Abdulmutallab onto the airplanes with their weapons. There was only luck between the passengers and death. This is a reason to laugh at AQ - but it is also a reason to look hard at our security and make improvements. I don't want to trust to luck on my next overseas flight. I'd rather have good security.
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