1 I hate Olbermann as much as anyone, if not more so but I don't see why Bristol is out of bounds at this point. She's an adult and she's decided to make herself a public figure by acting, advocating for groups and finally Dancing with the Stars.

She's entitled to do all of these things but again as an adult, she has to know that means putting yourself up for criticism.

2 Yup.

A deeply buried guilty conscience is a dangerous thing. There's nothing nastier than a person who is reminded, even unwittingly, by another of his/her own bad moral choices.

3

Coming to terms with something like a youthful abortion would require a level of introspection, maturity, humility, and insight that the pathologically narcissistic media class cannot fathom.

4 Bristol's last line was a killer.

But, I have to ask:

How can a man with no dick have children?

5 Drew M., I don't see that Bristol is claiming to be in the "sacred" zone; she's responding to the substance of Olbermann's criticism, not the fact of it.

6 Stewart plays the same bullshit game that Michael Moore plays. They wade into serious politics, then when they're called on factual errors or hypocrisy, they say, "Hey, I'm a comedian!"

Clown nose on, clown nose off. Gives them zero accountability.

7
We are to believe Andrea Mitchell doesn't have skeletons?

Everyone knows Doris Kearns Goodwin is not only a plagiarist, she was LBJ's suck-and-fuck girl.

8 Spot on, Ace.  Thanks.

9 she's decided to make herself a public figure by acting, advocating for groups and finally Dancing with the Stars.

What could one possibly find offensive about advocating for reducing teen pregnancy?

Who else would be attacked for this?

It would be like attacking someone for advocating for literacy.

Aren't there some issues we can universally agree upon? It seems to me that there are. But not when a Palin is involved. Because everything is personal with them.

So yeah, it should be out of bounds to attack Bristol Palin for doing something every other public figure on the planet would be praised for doing.

10 Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 03, 2010 01:19 PM (7yN3t)

Absolutely. She didn't whine about her being attacked, she attacked back. Good for her.

I'm talking about Stewart or the idea that Olbermann was out of bounds by going after her. Yes, his attack was stupid (as is just about everything he does) but it's not wrong because she's a "Palin kid" and is off limits.

11

This post contains math, Ace.

Math is to libtards as garlic is to vampires.

12 >>>I hate Olbermann as much as anyone, if not more so but I don't see why Bristol is out of bounds at this point. She's an adult and she's decided to make herself a public figure by acting, advocating for groups and finally Dancing with the Stars. There is that, but... look, we don't have an entire industry attacking some other minor media player, do we? It's not like there's a whole industry out there attacking, I don't know, the Indian guy on Parks and Recreation unrelentingly. The media/the left gives Bristol Palin essentially the Mel Gibson treatment. Right? Right. Is that warranted? Does that ever happen with any other bit player? Do we give the Mel Gibson treatment to a minor castaway voted out the third week of Survivor?

13 But as for the question, "So what are they mocking her for?"

I think it's not actually her; it's her mother. People who stand for family values are expected to demonstrate the success of such values. When there's a failure, it's rotten egg time.

14 a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets

A powerful image

15 Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann are both no more and no less than garden-variety assholes like you meet on the street or at work (if you are lucky enough to still have a job) every day.

Any more analysis is just a waste of time.

Every new ratings stunt they do or bitchy comment they make is just the asshole at work stealing your pen off your desk or your crescent wrench out of your toolbox when you aren't looking.

I don't listen to those assholes for the same reason I don't listen to Keith and Jon.
Why anyone does is a mystery to me. Boredom and brain cell loneliness I guess.

16 We are to believe Andrea Mitchell doesn't have skeletons?

She's married to one.

17 I'm talking about Stewart or the idea that Olbermann was out of bounds by going after her.

Got it.

18 She's entitled to do all of these things but again as an adult, she has to know that means putting yourself up for criticism.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:16 PM

It's the sheer personal viciousness of the "criticism" that appalls me.  And I find much to commend about her, esp.  for speaking out on her experience, knowing that she was going to get hammered by the left.  For such a young woman, she shows remarkable poise and self-awareness.  Unlike certain other daughters for political candidates *cough* MeggyMac *cough*

19

Yeah, I was going to say something along the lines of Warden.  It's not that Olberman is attacking her for any reason OTHER than her status as a child of Sarah Palin.

If he was making fun of Al Gore's son for endangering the lives of fellow motorists by speeding while high as a kite, that would be one thing.  But God forbid he ever call out his own fucking side.  KO is an enema nozzle that enjoys his job.

20

 dang, when Ace is good, the boy is good!

Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?

Ouch

21 I would, however, pay good money to see Bristol kick the living shit out of either one in the Commiedy Central parking lot.

22

Keith Olbermann's clear additiction to self-loathing is why a not quite grown up 52 year old is able to seamlessly beclown himself in the public arena involving the subject matter of a teen mother.  

Keith Olbmerann should be means tested.    

23 well anyways, Olby's not the kind what reproduces, iykwim.

24

Ooh, Ace!

Great closing paragraph to a nicely tuned argument. When you are on...man!

BOOM!!

Vim Toot!

 

25 "So what are they mocking her for?"

They are mocking her for having an accent that isn't straight out of Choate. They are mocking her for not living on the Upper West Side or Carrol Gardens or Green Point. They are mocking her for not accepting at face value all of the talking points that have been carefully inserted into the curricula of most of our public schools. They are mocking her for not having a piercing, and for wearing panties in public, and not spreading her legs for the cameras when she has the chance.

But most of all? They are mocking her for being much like a typical American; and they simply can't stand that.

26

The only ones in the sacred zones are the Obama girls.

As a corollary to how the questions about the Palins and premarital pregnancy issues should be handled, it should also be asked how Michelle Obama can conduct her no fat kids campaign, while she has a fatty mcfatty little girl herself.

 

27 Olbermann is a fuckwad who merits no response. Bristol is punching down.

28
We have Kathleen Parker sitting next to a disgusting perverted slimy cheat and she sits there laughing with him about...

Sarah Palin.

What that tells me about Kathleen Parker is she's got some nasty personal issues hidden away in her own closet. That's what people do: they knock good people off the pedestal to bring them down their level.

29


Olby's not the kind what reproduces




shoots from mid-court and .........   SCORES!

30 I can assure all of my viewers that I have never gotten a woman pregnant.

31 Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?

I think there is another factor at play here though. The State Media believe the Palins to be "Snowbillies", and as Ruth Bader Ginsburg opined, the whole point of the abortion movement is to get such untermenchen to stop having kids.

So, yes, they think it is dumb for someone not in the perfect situation to raise a child to not get an abortion. But more to the point they really don't want "those people" to be having more children to begin with.

32 I have a suspicion that there's some Marv Albert-grade shit in Olbertard's past that he'd just as soon leave buried.

33
How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?

34 Drew M., your primero comment made no sense in the context of this post.  Or was it meant to be a literary device serving to inject nonsense commentary on a post discussing the king of nonsense, Keith Olbermann????

35 Kathleen Parker is Client #10.

36 But anyway, let's not overlook the puritanical streak in leftism, which adds a note of sincerity, however icky, to the condemnation of Bristol. Lefties are a grim lot. I'm still trying to get my brain around their simultaneous licentiousness and joylessness. It's not simple hypocrisy; it's more complicated.

37 I think its kinda funny.  A high paid liberal media personality "punches down" and gets a swift uppercut to his fat mouth from a 19 year old girl.  It is now a situation where he has lowered himself to teenager or he has elevated her to his status.

I do believe she is now "fair game" since she chose to go on a reality show, but that doesn't mean someone should take a shot.  What's next for Queef Olberdouche, attacking Mother Teresa?

38 Posted by: ace © at December 03, 2010 01:23 PM (nj1bB)

If she simply decided to go back to Wasilla after the 08 campaign and raise her kid, go to school whatever I'd say yes. But let's be honest, her claim to fame is being Sarah Palin's daughter. She's leveraging that for what it's worth. I  have no problem with that but then you can't turn around and say, "stop going after her simply because she's Sarah Palin's daughter". The rewards and costs come together.

Is it ridiculous that the left is so fixated on her? Sure. It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is.

39
I've long felt that to the left, Sarah Palin's principal crime is not having killed Trig. If she had, if she'd off'd the 'tard, then talked about the "difficult choice" and how she "agonized" over it, the left would have canonized her.

Sarah Palin may or may not make a good president; she may or may not be electable; but by God, she walks the walk. I respect that.

And by the way, Keith Olbermann can kiss my ass all the way downtown.

40

They are mocking Bristol Palin because her values are simple and clear.  Not only did she not kill her baby, she owns the "mistake" and preaches against others repeating it.  Pure logic.  

They hate that.

41 Maureen O'Dowdy can say whatever she wants about Bristol's promiscuity. I'm positive that MoDo's vagina still has the factory seal on it, so you know - moral high ground.

42 How do we know [Keith Olbermann] didn't have a daughter?




Well, he's a man his 50s, famous, a multimillionaire, yet has never been married or engaged.

Does that help?

43 39:

Amen

44
nah, I think Maureen Dowd is into some weird hardcore shit.

I'm talking Catherine-the-Great shit with horses.

45 We have Kathleen Parker sitting next to a disgusting perverted slimy cheat and she sits there laughing with him about...

There may not be a bigger example of the celebration of hypocrisy on the left then the rehabilitation of Eliot Spitzer.

Ask a lib what they think of Vitter, for example, "He talked about family values and had sex with a prostitute!!!"

Well, Mr Spitzer made it a personal crusade to prosecute elite Johns, while he was one of them.

It seems to me we should expect those who can't live up to moral standards to publicly give them lip service - do we really want Bill Clinton to tell kids sexual assault is a-ok? - but we should also be able to expect that those enforcing laws are not breaking them.

46 Posted by: journolist at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM (LwLqV)

Did you just skip the part of the post talking about Stewart's dictum about laying off the Palin kids and how Olbermann violated it or is that just too inconvenient for you?

47 She's entitled to do all of these things but again as an adult, she has to know that means putting yourself up for criticism.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:16 PM (HicGG)

I would agree with that except that the MFM started attacking her immediately out of the gate BEFORE she put herself out there.

And as others have said, there seems to be some kind of a MFM obsession with all things Palin now. Krautman said it best. The media needs to get off the Palin bandwagon.

48 The latex I've seen pass through my doors could provide yoga mats for everyone in India.

49 I'm talking Catherine-the-Great shit with horses.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 03, 2010 01:32 PM (uFokq)

Why are you teabaggers so intolerant?

50 How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM

Actually, none. I don't think any man has touched her since she got pregnant with Chelsea.

51 Sportscasters and comedians are the "Voice of the Left"....what the fuck is wrong with these people?

52 "Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?" Powerful sentence, Ace. And kudos to Will Saletan for having the courage to publish that piece you linked to (and all the way back in 2008, no less).

53

Well played El Jefe, and a nice reprieve from even the appearance of Palin bashing. I'd give an arm to watch Todd eviscerate that cow college graduate!

Keefums really should go fuck himself with a broken Coke bottle.

Just sayin'

54

 

Olberdiouche leftard and cheeze fucktard jonsin can both go to hell.  assholess, both.

 

55 I had a close call once.  I dressed in a bunny suit, jumped into a monkey cage and the ce-u-u-utest little fella you've ever seen jumped right on my back.  I named him Griffin.

56 Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?

That's gonna leave a scar. To echo another commenter above, "One can never shout loud enough to shout down one's own conscience."

57 Chelsea Clinton went out and campaigned for her mom, but received not even 1% of the grief and criticism that Bristol has for dancing on a TV show. Remember this?

When MSNBC reporter David Schuster characterized Chelsea's participation in her mother's campaign as "sort of being pimped out", the Clinton campaign objected. Shuster subsequently apologized on-air and was suspended for two weeks.

And that was the last time anyone said boo about Chelsea. Hillary barred the media from interviewing her (even as Chelsea stumped for her) and the media complied.

So again, yes Bristol is off-limits. Why? Because those are the rules the cocksucking media established, so let's not let them off the hook yet again on another instance of their never-ending hypocrisy.

58 I hope Bristol takes the money she earned, and goes back to college and earns a degree in something she can use to support herself and her son.

59

Part of me is glad that Bristol hit back. Another part of me feels that people like Keith Olbermann, Maddow and the Kos bloggers should be beneath our notice. Hell, in many quarters of the conservative blogosphere being named the Worst Person in the World is considered an honor.

Also, I'd bet my ass Bristol Palin didn't personally pen that statement.

60 ? Did they all get special NASA-designed condoms, unavailable to the public, that never break and never spill due to fumbling withdrawal?

I'm going to need some clarification as to how one gets pregnant with fumbling withdrawal while wearing a condom.

61 19 Yeah, I was going to say something along the lines of Warden.  It's not that Olberman is attacking her for any reason OTHER than her status as a child of Sarah Palin.

Agreed.  And this is an old issue for Olbermann to attack Bristol on.  When did Bristol start making PSAs warning about teenage pregnancy (I'm thinking of her "pause before you play" PSA)?  Back in April?  Olbermann's material must be really stale then if he's reaching this far back.  In his mind though, it was probably worth it to get off an indirect shot at Sarah.

Now if Bristol was supporting her child by living off the public dole or sleeping around with random people ala any typical Hollyweird Fountain of Decadence, Olbermann's charge of "hypocrisy" would be appropriate. 

There is a particular line from Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" I play through my head whenever I hear the charge of "hypocrisy" leveled at somebody - "Do you know what the difference between an error and a mistake is?...  Anybody can make an error.  An error only becomes a mistake if you refuse to correct it." From that principle, I judge whether or not the "hypocrisy" accusation is correct.

62
If she simply decided to go back to Wasilla after the 08 campaign and raise her kid, go to school whatever I'd say yes. But let's be honest, her claim to fame is being Sarah Palin's daughter. She's leveraging that for what it's worth. I  have no problem with that but then you can't turn around and say, "stop going after her simply because she's Sarah Palin's daughter". The rewards and costs come together.

Is it ridiculous that the left is so fixated on her? Sure. It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:30 PM (HicGG)

I guess you werent paying attention to the last 2 years of tabloids and the left courting Levy to pose in playgirl and run for mayor.

She did go home.. have the child and get a job.  She was never left alone.

Good for her for fighting back.  GOOD FOR HER.  Funny how if a 20 year old man laid out KO.. you would be cheering.  But a girl does it and she is a fame whore?

Turning the other cheek is for pussies. I am glad the Palins arent wimps.

63 I can affirm that I, personally, have never accidentally gotten anyone pregnant.

64 # 36 - +1. You nailed them all. Think of all the lefties you know. Are they ever happy - really? Always waiting for the next affront. When things are good they wait like Shelob - cause they're always hungry. They want to suck all the light and the life right out of the world. that's why they hate everything Palin, by the way. She's just so damned happy. She's light and positive, like Reagan, and that they can never ever take. I think they really would purge us if they could.

65 Jon Steward's a comedian? Who knew!

66

"I'm going to need some clarification as to how one gets pregnant with fumbling withdrawal while wearing a condom."

Maybe he means the old "I think your vagina ate the condom thingy 'cause it's not there now" thing.

67 Good for her for fighting back.  GOOD FOR HER.  Funny how if a 20 year old man laid out KO.. you would be cheering.  But a girl does it and she is a fame whore?
Posted by: Timbo at December 03, 2010 01:41 PM (ph9vn)

Read my comment at number 10...I said I'm glad she hit back at Olbermann.

68 Maybe he means the old "I think your vagina ate the condom thingy 'cause it's not there now" thing. Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 03, 2010 01:44 PM You mean "The Julian Assange"?

69

How dare you accuse beloved media personalities of accidental pregnancies and secret abortions! I know that I have certainly never done such a thing. Some of us are more responsible than that.

70 <i>I can assure all of my viewers that I have never gotten a woman pregnant.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper</i>

Ditto that!

71 Meh, it looks like Bristol Palin can handle herself and we can all be thankful this Holiday Season that Keith Olberman has not reproduced.

72 I think there is another factor at play here though. The State Media believe the Palins to be "Snowbillies", and as Ruth Bader Ginsburg opined, the whole point of the abortion movement is to get such untermenchen to stop having kids.

So, yes, they think it is dumb for someone not in the perfect situation to raise a child to not get an abortion. But more to the point they really don't want "those people" to be having more children to begin with.

Posted by: 18-1

 

This. I agree with what Ace said, but the point made here is telling. I recall listening to several rih people talking about one of them having received an award from Planned parenthood. She and they talked about children, especially those of minorities, like you or I might talk about ASPCA shelters putting down stray animals. Many proponents of abortion, including Mama Sanger herself, view this like we do animal husbandry.

73 46 Posted by: journolist at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM (LwLqV)

Did you just skip the part of the post talking about Stewart's dictum about laying off the Palin kids and how Olbermann violated it or is that just too inconvenient for you?

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:32 PM (HicGG)

< Drew M. I don't believe Ace was talking about Stewart's dict. Um, I think you should re-read it. You are clever to couch your commentary into the precision of Ace's post. I agree with Ace's post however, your quick draw mcBark primero comments don't make sense in the context of the post.

Why do I say that? Because Bristol Palin never claimed to be off limits despite what Stewart may or may not have said.  Bristol Palin has never demanded media leniency.  She is simply responding to media attacks.  And she has been thrust into this status because her mother has been thrust into the universe of the liberal media's thresher.  The Palins cannot control the liberal media so they have ingeniously decided to promote themselves as positively as they can within the media and also liquidate to their benefit the mainstreamer's inglorious media circus; that's ingenious. 

So to comment on the fact the Palins are in the media storm dismisses the fact they have no control over the storm to begin with.  They can only control how they respond, and to me, they are responding and dealing with it superbly.

 

74 "Maybe he means the old "I think your vagina ate the condom thingy 'cause it's not there now" thing."


Wait, that happens? or did the guy only pretend to wear a rubber?

75 It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is.


That statement would include all the Kennedys too, right?  Nikki and Paris Hilton?

76 But the MFM would NEVER criticize a Kennedy.

77 41 Maureen O'Dowdy can say whatever she wants about Bristol's promiscuity.

I'm positive that MoDo's vagina still has the factory seal on it, so you know - moral high ground.   And I am as certain that before Mz.O'Dowdy proceeds to insert a tampon in her still virginal vagina, FDNY is standing by with two engines,two trucks,a squad and a rescue company with a charged two and half inch hoseline in case of a gakk explosion.

78 People are missing the obvious and inevitable takeaway from this little imbroglio:

Olbermann got his clock publicly, thoroughly cleaned by a 20 year old single mother.

Pick on someone your own mental size, Keef . . . stop trying to fight above your intellectual weight . . . go after a Congresscritter or two, instead . . . that would be much safer for whatever male ego you might still possess than taking on any of the Palin women.

I shudder to think what Piper would do to Olbie in public intellectual combat . . .

79 There are several women tv personalities wacks, that I pay zero attention to  Madow, Rossie, Woopie, Joy and Keith come to mind.

80 I don't believe Ace was talking about Stewart's dict. Um, I think you should re-read it.
Posted by: journolist at December 03, 2010 01:47 PM (LwLqV)

Ok, let's re-read it together....

"So it's curious to me that Jon Stewart, acting in his Voice of Reason and Civility role, laid down this rule, and Keith Olbermann chose to violate it almost immediately."

Considering the rule in question is, lay off the Palin kids, I think my reading of it is pretty fair.

81 "Maybe he means the old "I think your vagina ate the condom thingy 'cause it's not there now" thing."


Wait, that happens? or did the guy only pretend to wear a rubber?

Posted by: taylork

Care to find out?

82 Speaking of the kids of politicians...

In September 1996, Carter married computer consultant James Gregory Wentzel whom she had met while attending Tulane. Carter chose not to be given away, stating that she "belonged to no one." Carter and Wentzel both kept their own family names

Bwahahahaha!  Way to raise a real winner there, Jimmy.

Her husband looks like a 100% red blooded American man, too.

83 "Maybe he means the old "I think your vagina ate the condom thingy 'cause it's not there now" thing."


Wait, that happens? or did the guy only pretend to wear a rubber?

Posted by: taylork

Care to find out?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at December 03, 2010 01:53 PM (R2fpr)

Winner for worst image of the day.

84 Posted by: journolist at December 03, 2010 01:47 PM (LwLqV)

BTW- Little known fact...I saw the Palin/Situation PSA weeks ago. I could have posted on it myself. Why didn't I? I don't give a damn one way or another about Bristol Palin, The Situation or anything related to Dancing With the Stars.

I didn't pass on it because Bristol is somehow protected, I passed on it because I don't find her or anything to do with Dancing With the Stars particularly interesting.

85 If she had, if she'd off'd the 'tard, then talked about the "difficult choice" and how she "agonized" over it, the left would have canonized her.

No, they just wouldn't hate her so much. Sarah Palin would be a non-issue, because she would have validated the left's argument for abortion. Progressives will never "canonize" a Republican, even one that agrees with them. That person is just a useful idiot to them. Sarah Palin and her womb scare the everliving fuck out of Democrats. You saw this in the leaked Journolist discussions when she made her debut in Dayton. Her cultural significance is nothing to sneeze at.

Sarah Palin decided life, regardless of whether we consider it "perfect" or not, is worth celebrating. She had Trig and is proud to bring him out in public. The left has decided that makes him an acceptable target then. Same with Bristol. It was insensitive for Palin not to consider her daughter's pregnancy when she accepted the VP slot on the McCain ticket. She might as well have forced the poor girl to wear the scarlet letter. Because, people are assholes and can be relied on to pass judgment and ridicule a teenager and unwed mother. Now Bristol has decided to use the media fascination with her mother for a good cause, advocating against premarital sex. But if it's a Palin, all positive motives must be shunted aside and start the stoning!

86 Considering the rule in question is, lay off the Palin kids, I think my reading of it is pretty fair.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:53 PM (HicGG)

< I agree Drew but my point is that Bristol Palin has no privity between what Stewart and or Olbermann may have said or are trying to communicate to the media. I am simply trying to say that she has been thrust into this by the liberal media and I think we can agree on that.

Maybe I'm looking for a dust up here where there isn't one and sorry about that. Hey, it's Friday.

The whole thing is ridiculous but the force placing the Palins in the thresher is the liberal media attack meisters and the Palins are trying to control what they can and are, as stated, ingeniously liquidating the liberal storm to their benefit financially. For no matter what they do, the storm is there.  

La Paz.

87 Carter chose not to be given away, stating that she "belonged to no one."

Problem was he COULDN'T give that away.

88 Olbermann got his clock publicly, thoroughly cleaned by a 20 year old single mother.


Megadittos. Bristol "the Pistol" takes after her mother.

89 It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is. The butthurt is strong in this one. I don't begrudge anyone their station in life, not even Olbermann. In what other society can a complete fucking zero make a pile of money like that? There's nothing ridiculous or lucky about it. Pissy, pissy, PISSY!

90

The only ones in the sacred zones are the Obama girls.

Someone should tell their parents that.

91 Stewart said what he did for one reason:  He gets it.  He understands that publicly attacking the Palins works against you.

Online games call certain character types 'tanks'--their role is to attract the attention of the enemy and survive it, while the rest of your crew does the actual damage.  That, in a word, is Palin's best role for the cause, and she does it better than anyone else in living memory.  And it looks like Bristol's been paying attention...

92 Interesting hypothesis, ace, re the 35% unplanned pregnancies amongst the pundit class. 

Only one problem.  Who would want to have sex with Olbermann? 

Do I have to remind you that humans can't impregnate sheep, dogs, gerbils, or bathroom fixtures? 

93 Olberdouche and Stewart. Fuck 'em both with a thermonuclear weapon

94 Only one problem.  Who would want to have sex with Olbermann?

A length of pipe? One can only hope the firemen have a camera AND grinder.

95 Well said, Ace.

96

"Wait, that happens? or did the guy only pretend to wear a rubber?"

I heard stories in college of condoms getting lost inside a girl and the guy having to fish it out.  Quite honestly, I don't know how that happens. I mean, how freakin' big were their vaginas?

97 Candy Crawley pregnant. Thanks for that thought, Ace, so early in the afternoon.

98 30k per speaking engagement, 300k from dancing, and  million dollar deals to choose from as a result of dancing with the stars-- doesn't seem to shabby for Bristol Palin. Good for you Bristol, keep laughing at these clowns all the way to the bank.

99 I am simply trying to say that she has been thrust into this by the liberal media and I think we can agree on that.
Posted by: journolist at December 03, 2010 01:59 PM (LwLqV)

I agree that was case originally. No doubt she and the other Palin kids were subjected to far more coverage and far more invective than any other family I can think of.

The thing that is lost in this is Bristol doesn't seem to be bemoaning what Olbermann did or hiding behind Jon Stewart's protection.. She's out there and using what Olby said to further a cause she cares about. Good for her.

100 One thing about Bristol's note: it's way to smartly to be written to be hers. I just don't believe it wasn't written by a staff member or maybe even her Mom. But - perhaps unfairly - Bristol never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer anytime I've heard her speak on TV.

101 What man, who valued his manhood or had any self-respect, would punch down at a young girl?


He is without honor.  He is less than a man. 

102 As Goldfinger I would have painted BathTub Boy and "John Stewart" ( closeted Joo fake name ) in gold paint.  Because, you know, that's what I do.......

But seriously folks, Bristol's Choice gave her child life.   What more can anyone do?  All this kvetching is just pissing in the wind

103 I heard stories in college of condoms getting lost inside a girl and the guy having to fish it out. Quite honestly, I don't know how that happens. I mean, how freakin' big were their vaginas? Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 03, 2010 02:05 PM (HaYO4) Actually, I'd think they'd have to be pretty TIGHT if it was so hard to withdraw the condom got taken off during the process...

104 I think alot of it goes to the Downs Syndrome baby. It deranged them to a degree that they haven't gotten back to.

Everything near that must be destroyed no matter what.

Strangest shit i've seen

105 Re: 104 Crap, figures I mangled the syntax on THAT sentence, lol.

106 Is it ridiculous that the left is so fixated on her? Sure. It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is.
Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 01:30 PM (HicGG)

Plenty of women have decided to go through with their unplanned pregnancy and found that while it wasn't the end of the world, it forced them to grow up. Even Madonna wrote about it with "Papa Don't Preach." Some of them have a career already. Some of them rely on public assistance or their families. Some are even able on their own to meet the challenges of single motherhood.

107

"Wait, that happens? or did the guy only pretend to wear a rubber?"

I heard stories in college of condoms getting lost inside a girl and the guy having to fish it out.  Quite honestly, I don't know how that happens. I mean, how freakin' big were their vaginas?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves)

 

Well...well.......well.

It's..it's......it's.

Rather...rather....rather.

Big..big......big.

108

"Actually, I'd think they'd have to be pretty TIGHT if it was so hard to withdraw the condom got taken off during the process..."

Or the guy was wearing a  magnum when he shoulda been wearing an xxs?  It was a Sorority Girl, so I think it's safe to assume...

109 time for Profundity:  God doesn't create life; a man and a women ( a difficult concept for Anderson Cooper and many others ) create life

--or choose not to, once the process has begun.  Bristol did something wonderful. 

.....Then she yanked BathTub Boy's shorts down for a public spanking.  One amazingly good thing followed by a clever classy thing.

110 One thing about Bristol's note: it's way to smartly to be written to be hers. I just don't believe it wasn't written by a staff member or maybe even her Mom. But - perhaps unfairly - Bristol never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer anytime I've heard her speak on TV.

I wouldn't worry about this myself. There are more stupid people supposedly on our side like Peggy Noonans, David Brooks ...They were dumb enough to support Obama and to spin for him for a while after 2008. I left out other obvious choices!

111

"How do we know he didn't have a daughter?"

 

Outside of the laboratory, a man has to be able achieve and maintain an erection to impregnate a woman. Otherwise, he's not a man. Right, Bathtub Boy?

112

I heard stories in college of condoms getting lost inside a girl and the guy having to fish it out. Quite honestly, I don't know how that happens. I mean, how freakin' big were their vaginas?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 03, 2010 02:05 PM (HaYO4)

 

So. You heard about it. Happening to other people?

 

Okay.

113 Ace,
Though there was never a doubt as to your staunch conservatism, I always thought you were somewhat lukewarm about the abortion subject.

I mean, I can't recall any essays illustrating your objection at this level.

You have made the hypocrisy point very well. Is this the main intention and my longstanding assumption is true?

114 The thing that is lost in this is Bristol doesn't seem to be bemoaning what Olbermann did or hiding behind Jon Stewart's protection.

Jon Stewart is right. Attacking a young unwed mother or a special needs baby or a minor, regardless who their mother is, is a dick move.

115

When Bristol Palin

Is scoring points off your game,

You must really suck...

116 Attacking a young unwed mother or a special needs baby or a minor, regardless who their mother is, is a dick move.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2010 02:13 PM (mHQ7T)

This is Olbermann. What did you expect? Class?

117 85 Her husband looks like a 100% red blooded American man, too.


What the hell is that thing crawling on his lapel?

118 The thing that is lost in this is Bristol doesn't seem to be bemoaning what Olbermann did or hiding behind Jon Stewart's protection.. She's out there and using what Olby said to further a cause she cares about. Good for her.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2010 02:06 PM (HicGG)

< Well said. Agreed.

119 Keef wasn't punching down - Bristol was.

120 Also, that last paragraph, Ace? That was a knife.

Stab them again, Ace.

121 Bath Tub Boy sucks cock

with gusto, night and day, slurp

and has no clue, ever

122 Or is it much more likely that a fair number of them -- say 35% or more -- actually have become pregnant (and I mean the men as well) but simply... destroyed the evidence before it could become public?

I'm not a reporter, but, did you forget about me?

123

This is Olbermann. What did you expect? Class?

Posted by: wrg at December 03, 2010 02:15 PM (mB2ub)

To which I can only quote our Edward R. Murrow himself. "Fart."

124 Or the guy was wearing a magnum when he shoulda been wearing an xxs? Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 03, 2010 02:11 PM (HaYO4) Well... Hope Spring Eternal...

125

After reading a number of articles about this event, I just have to say that not only does Ms. Palin have grit but also she's done a much better job with her potential celebrity than her ex-fiancee.

Also, great post, Ace. ^_^

mac :]

126 It's not simple hypocrisy; it's more complicated.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM (7yN3t)

Actually, it's pretty much simple hypocrisy, just taken to a level where matter and energy begin to act in strange and unpredictable ways.

127 "Canard" and "incredulity". Hmmm.

128

Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?

You got your smackdowns, and then you got your "smackdown bunker-buster".

BOOM!

129 128 Or the guy was wearing a magnum when he shoulda been wearing an xxs?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 03, 2010 02:11 PM (HaYO4)

Well... Hope Spring Eternal...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 03, 2010 02:19 PM (tJjm/)

New uses for the red Swingline?

130

Also, I'd bet my ass Bristol Palin didn't personally pen that statement.

That's quite an assement. Are you assuming she truly is a snowbilly, unable to pen the perfect FU?

131

Also, I'd bet my ass Bristol Palin didn't personally pen that statement.

Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at December 03, 2010 01:39 PM (TB7Pi)

She seems fairly erudite and composed in public. This reads like the same voice I saw on The Tonight Show where she acquitted herself well.

132 "Canard" and "incredulity". Hmmm.
Posted by: skinbad at December 03, 2010 02:24 PM

Bristol is better at googling than Meggy Mac.

133 In September 1996, Carter married computer consultant James Gregory Wentzel whom she had met while attending Tulane. Carter chose not to be given away, stating that she "belonged to no one." Carter and Wentzel both kept their own family names

Bwahahahaha!  Way to raise a real winner there, Jimmy.

------------------------

Guess what? Laura Schlessinger did the very same thing, for the very same reasons. She also insisted on giving her son her last name instead of her husband's because she did all the work.

Apropos of a few things, I bet she also has some busted up little skeletons in her closet. What was she, 28 and single when she had a tubal ligation because she didn't want any kids? Looks like she had reason to believe she was fertile. So cast those stones wide, guys.

134

Abortion is certainly part of it, but there's more. EVERYONE knows Republicans and conservatives have unplanned pregnancies, abortions, all those types of things, yet they hypocritically judge and denounce others for the same sin. So basically, if you have any non-hostile connection of any kind with Republicans or conservatives, by definition you are a hypocrite no matter what you do or say. And Bristol is the worst kind of hypocrite because WE have the evidence that she sinned, and that even with a BABY OUT OF WEDLOCK, she still, by her association with the Palin family, judges and denounces others who might have committed the same sin.

Got it? I'm still not sure I do, but something along those lines is playing into it. The liberal mind is like an unnavigable warren of gopher holes, and like those gopher holes, is mostly empty.

135 Still trying to wrap my mind around the rule that says when you go on a reality show or advocate for a specific cause, you open yourself up to any imaginable type of criticism. 

136 One thing about Bristol's note: it's way to smartly to be written to be hers. I just don't believe it wasn't written by a staff member or maybe even her Mom. But - perhaps unfairly - Bristol never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer anytime I've heard her speak on TV. Posted by: CoolCzech Dunno.. Still waters run deep sometimes.. She had time in crafting it... Maybe she had some input from her mom..

137 I don't think Bristol (or 99.99% of anyone her age) would have used the words "canard" or "incredulity" if she indeed wrote that response. It smacks of a ghost writer. Kids just out of HS don't write like that unless they're braniacs. If you're going to have someone write for you at least match usage to education level. That said, the point of the response is spot on.

138

Also, I'd bet my ass Bristol Palin didn't personally pen that statement.

That's quite an assement. Are you assuming she truly is a snowbilly, unable to pen the perfect FU?

-----------------

I bet she didn't either. The simple fact is that most people can't put together a paragraph much less an essay without mistakes. What's wrong with that? It doesn't make a person a "billy" of any sort; it just makes them average and in need of having their prose polished.

139 Speaking of going after the Palin kids, reading this enraged me. 'Nappy Headed Hos' is a national crisis, but this kind of vitriolic bullshit from "comedians" is a-okay: ---------- On Wednesday night, Quentin Tarantino was roasted at the New York Friars’ Club. . . . One shameless roaster named Whitney Cummings, often seen on Chelsea Lately, delivered the most buzz-worthy/cringe-worthy line of the night: [Tarantino has] produced more retarded things than Sarah Palin’s vagina. . . . It’s one thing that Whitney Cummings is mean-spirited, vulgar, and boring, but it’s quite another that she stole this joke. Here’s a super-NSFW clip of Louis CK on Opie and Anthony going on a jag against Sarah Palin that ends with him referring to her vagina as a “retard-making cunt.” You mean Whitney Cummings isn’t the first to make a “Sarah Palin’s vagina produces retarded things” joke?!? Waaahhhh?? Actually, she’s not even the second. Here’s a joke from the popular comedy site eBaum’s world: What is the difference between Sarah Palin’s mouth and her vagina? Not everything that comes out of her vagina is retarded. . . . But unfortunately, this is likely the last you’ll hear on this topic -- NOW will be AWOL and we all know that hate and bullying directed toward Sarah Palin and her family isn’t the type of hate and bullying the NO H8/anti-bullying crowd cares to fight. (This is particularly telling of how backwards the Left’s priorities are, because unlike helpless Trig Palin, gay teens and adults are fully capable of defending themselves against bullies.) So the Left’s obsession with Sarah Palin’s vagina and uterus continues and classless comedians still single out Trig as the only mentally challenged baby in America that’s fair game for public ridicule. While the smiley-faced Palins soldier-on, fending off horrendous indignity after horrendous indignity, joyless, joke-stealing scolds like Whitney Cummings continue to speak truth to out-of-power in the cheapest, laziest, and ugliest ways possible.

140

Got it? I'm still not sure I do, but something along those lines is playing into it. The liberal mind is like an unnavigable warren of gopher holes, and like those gopher holes, is mostly empty.

Posted by: RM at December 03, 2010 02:30 PM (1kwr2)

Nah. Its pretty simple. To liberals, Bristol is the enemy. No matter what she did, it would be the wrong thing. Any club will do to beat her with.

141 Also at Big Hollywood: Classy Jennifer Grey: Bristol Palin Is a Lovely Girl Who Came a Long Way The short clip floating around where “Dancing with the Stars” champ Jennifer Grey says it felt damn good to beat Bristol Palin — and who can blame her? — is a wee bit deceptive if you look at the entirety of her interview with MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. While he goes on and on like a DWTS Truther about the Tea Party supposedly stuffing the ballot boxes in favor of Bristol, Grey refuses to take the bait. Actually what O’Donnell is doing is more like throwing chum, but still Grey refuses to bite and join him in his sad conspiracy mongering or say anything negative about the Tea Party. O’Donnell also spends a few minutes hoping to coax the “Dirty Dancing” star into saying something negative about Bristol Palin, either personally or about her dancing abilities. But once again, Grey keeps it classy: Grey: I have to say that [Bristol] really came a long way. O’Donnell: No, you don’t have to say that. Grey: No, she did. O’Donnell: I saw her dance. Grey: Did you see her at the beginning, see her at the end? Totally different, and she’s a lovely girl. O’Donnell: How could she not improve slightly? If they keep her — if the fake votes keep her in the competition the whole time. Grey: Well, bully for her. Bully for her. Grey couldn’t have been any more gracious. And I want to thank her for that. If you don’t insult me or mine I don’t care how you vote.

142 Olberdouche's real problem is that he's still pissed that it took him until age 47 to get head from his first 16 year old girl, and that he had to sneak into the Helen Keller School for Intentionally Blinded Fat Ugly Chicks to get it. Most of us get that particular need taken care of when we ourselves are 16, by a hot chick named Monique. You know the one. Wearing a tube top, viciously feathered hair, and wearing short shorts to the basketball game. Ah, good times. Good times.

143 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 03, 2010 02:36 PM (NITzp) Living rent free, in their heads.. Grey won the show and what does O'Donnell want to talk about? Bristol Palin.. Way to congratulate Jennifer Grey.

144 Nice screed but let's not kid ourselves. It ain't about abortion or failure to choose it - imagine that she had an abortion? Think Olbermann would still be whipping out the WPITW on her? Absofuckinglutely. Because Bristol is drawing Olbermann's ire because she is Palin spawn, plain and simple, and the madness that is anti-Palin-ness is wide and deep.

145
D'Olberman should thank Bristol. She just removed what dangly bits he had, so future whoopies are out of the question. Assuming that "he" isn't just Rachel Madcow in drag.

In which case, she probably has a crush on Bristol.

146 Do you think Bristol really said "canard"?  Boy that really makes these facebook posts look fake/ghostwritten.  It isn't even used properly, a canard is a deliberately misleading fabrication. 

147 and don't forget all the little busted-up downs syndrome skeletons in the NY-DC corridor. I can't think of any media types that have kids with downs syndrome.

148

Everyone knows Doris Kearns Goodwin is not only a plagiarist, she was LBJ's suck-and-fuck girl.

Well, here comes my lunch back up.

149
The canard is that one must be pure as the driven snow to talk about such matters. That much is false, and deliberately so.

As a single man who has never, to my knowledge, fathered a child. I could say the same things, but they lack the weight - dare I say, gravitas? when spoken by someone who is dealing/has dealt with this issue?

Walk the walk, and all that. Which immediately rules out Keefums "Pure as the Driven Snow" D'Olberman, since he's never had to experience unwed fatherhood.

150 Fantastic post, Ace.   That's the best one I've seen in a while.

You are so hot when you're hitting Olbermann back for hitting Stewart back.

151 Do you think Bristol really said "canard"?  Boy that really makes these facebook posts look fake/ghostwritten.  It isn't even used properly, a canard is a deliberately misleading fabrication.

Again, I wouldn't worry whether she has some editorial help or not. She has all the time to write and edit it. At least she learned her lesson and tried to tell others about it. People like Noonan, Brook, Parker ... were dumb enough to vote for Obama and then acting like they are smarter than everyone else.

152 Do you think Bristol really said "canard"?  Boy that really makes these facebook posts look fake/ghostwritten.  It isn't even used properly, a canard is a deliberately misleading fabrication.

Yeah, I don't think she wrote it either, comma splice and all (and no, I don't think 99% of celebs actually write their own tweets or Facebook posts, so it's not like this is anything new.)  I wish that they'd maybe transcribe her comments from an interview or something-- it would be much more authentic-sounding. 

153 Posted by: Sharkman at December 03, 2010 02:38 PM (zt3lR)

You too?

154

I bet she didn't either. The simple fact is that most people can't put together a paragraph much less an essay without mistakes. What's wrong with that? It doesn't make a person a "billy" of any sort; it just makes them average and in need of having their prose polished.

How about this?  She wrote the gist of it and someone else polished it?  That's what I believe.

155

The statement said

"Accusing me of hypocrisy is by now, an old canard. "

 There is nothing misleading or false about accusing her of hypocrisy.

156 Yeah, I don't think she wrote it either, comma splice and all (and no, I don't think 99% of celebs actually write their own tweets or Facebook posts, so it's not like this is anything new.)

Even Obama need a teleprompter. I bet you the libs will talk about this "canard" thing ad nauseum to attack Palin 's intelligence. In the mean time, we can all see how smart they are!

157 Posted by: kathleen at December 03, 2010 02:48 PM (s5fVm)

George Will. And he is proud as hell of the young man. I don't like Will on many topics (even ignoring his pomposity) but he sounds like a great father.

158 33
How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM (uFokq)

Pantsuit wearing, cankled lesbians rarely get each other pregnant.

159 And its really funny to say Bristol would never say "canard" oh and she didn't even use it properly.  Seems like a mistake someone not accustomed to using a particular word would make.

Maybe not accustomed to learning about what happened in 1773?

160

151 and don't forget all the little busted-up downs syndrome skeletons in the NY-DC corridor. I can't think of any media types that have kids with downs syndrome.

We're a culture that hates less than perfect.  To the point we abort any less than perfect babies, go off to fix our less the perfect bodies with plastic surgery and only lust for perfect bodies for sex.    

161 How about this?  She wrote the gist of it and someone else polished it?  That's what I believe.

I think it was "overpolished" at the very least.  I just think it would sound more authentic and effective sounding more like she does in interviews.  The voice doesn't match. 

162

Keefums really should go fuck himself with a broken Coke bottle.

Jeez, what did I ever do to you?

163 the Pope man says NO ! to abortions

164 I'm not saying Bristol Palin is a stupid snowbilly. I'm saying that I don't believe she wrote that statement.

"Accusing me of hypocrisy is by now, an old canard?"

"What Mr. Olbermann lacks in originality he makes up for with insincere incredulity?"

Ordinary people don't write stilted crap like this. Paid speechwriters and public-relations flacks do. So do academics.

If I'm right, the Palin communications team needs a better copy editor. That first sentence is missing a comma between "is" and "by." The phrase "by now" is a parenthetical expression that needs to be set off with commas.

165 She could have said, "Keith Who?"

166

Nah. Its pretty simple. To liberals, Bristol is the enemy. No matter what she did, it would be the wrong thing. Any club will do to beat her with.

It's as simple as that.  What is effin' appalling is that she could do nothing, instead is trying to turn a mistake into a way to do good.  And conservatives who should be applauding her are lining up for their turn with the damn club.

Geez louise...if the entire Palin family were to go to DC or MSNBC and mow ever hater down with uzi's, they'd e well within their rights as insulted and harranged individuals.   I've never seen it this bad, NOR this glossed over.   The fact that they haven't means they've got more iron in their spines than 99.9% of the idiots talking about them.

Just dayum y'all.  Could you live that much constant crap?

167 It isn't even used properly, a canard is a deliberately misleading fabrication.

No.  Canard is duck.

168 Most excellent, Ace.

I didn't think you would go there, glad you did!

Fuck these hypocrites!

169 I don't think Bristol (or 99.99% of anyone her age) would have used the words "canard" or "incredulity" if she indeed wrote that response. It smacks of a ghost writer. Kids just out of HS don't write like that unless they're braniacs. If you're going to have someone write for you at least match usage to education level. That said, the point of the response is spot on.

Posted by: pfamis

 

No insult, but who cares, as long as it worked? If you choose to risk your paying on-screen gig and take on someone who can launch an anti-tank rocket at your head from behind a twitter message (twit?) or Facebook post, then you deserve what you get. Think cavalry charging a pillbox. You may look great up on that horse, but I can get the laziest conscript to draw a bead on you.

Losing sucks. Losing to a 20 year old is suck to the nth power. Losing when it's likely that she received offscreen help is worse. What's he going to do? Defend the sanctity of the "worst person in the world' shit by whining that she may have offscreen help, which he certainly has?

 

If there is an entry for 'punching down' and ; risks, associated with, then this should be the example.

170

I think it was "overpolished" at the very least.  I just think it would sound more authentic and effective sounding more like she does in interviews.  The voice doesn't match. 

Oh crikey!  At least she did something. The girl is going to get picked to pieces if she breathes...by us and by them.  

I won't even dare ask that she be given a break, just that folks take three steps back and put down the magnifying glass and the thimble of nits.

171

Well said, Ace. 

172 I always like Ace. He is not perfect, but this post is one of his best.

173 150 Do you think Bristol really said "canard"? Bristol strikes me as the sort of girl that thinks canards come in in colors like yellow, blue, or red, and are kept in cages.

174 172 She could have said, "Keith Who?"

Posted by: Douglas at December 03, 2010 03:03 PM (u6o6T)

Pretty sure he would have made an exception in your mother's case.

175

No.  Canard is duck.

Posted by: filbert

 

 

I thought that mallard is duck. Canard is goose.

176 I, for one, do not want to live in a world where the only way an unwed teenage girl can get an abortion is by first becoming pregnant.

177 Bristol:  Hey, mom, how can I sound smarter than Keith Olbermann?
Sarah:  How can you NOT sound smarter than Keef, dear?

178 I am not saying Bristol is dumb. but the bad thing is by making posts that don't sound like her interviews it gives ammo to her enemies and they don't need any more.

179

33
How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?

_______________________________________

Ooh, that's a easy one; none.

180 33 How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had? Does Vince Foster count?

181 @185  In addition, canard is one of those little cat-whisker-like wing thingies on the front of Burt Rutan's more futuristic airplane designs . . .

182 How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?

Does Vince Foster count?

Posted by: CoolCzech

 

Dayum.

 

Hilarycare didn't make it's first birthday either. That rest button was stillborn.

183 While the smiley-faced Palins soldier-on, fending off horrendous indignity after horrendous indignity, joyless, joke-stealing scolds like Whitney Cummings continue to speak truth to out-of-power in the cheapest, laziest, and ugliest ways possible.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 03, 2010 02:32 PM (NITzp)

I like to think of it as moral justification for punching one more walking toecheese in their stupid cakehole.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a high standard for interpersonal violence, just not impossibly high. After all, what is the point of having fists if no one deserves to be punched in their stupid cakeholes?

184

How can you morons get 'stop picking on me' from Bristol's smack-down of Olberwoman? Read it again. She makes a great point. It sometimes takes an alcoholic to get the message through to others 'Don't make my mistakes.'  Its not hypocritical at all. And there is no 'poor little me' in there. More like 'I can take your shit keefy, and I'll still keep trying to get girls to stop getting knocked up.

She's not asking for King Stewart's 'leave the kids alone' rule to apply to her, like some of you morons think. In fact, she's doing EXACTLY what you idiots want. She's kicking Keefy's ass and acting like an adult. No crying, just reloading.

185

182 150 Do you think Bristol really said "canard"?

Bristol strikes me as the sort of girl that thinks canards come in in colors like yellow, blue, or red, and are kept in cages.

LOL!  She's a girl that hunts caribou and clubs halibut---- She probably knows more about animals in general than the average city kid.   And birds are kept in coops or runs in the Great White North. 

186

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a high standard for interpersonal violence, just not impossibly high. After all, what is the point of having fists if no one deserves to be punched in their stupid cakeholes?

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain

 

Yup. How McGinnis didn't wind up as Purina bear chow amazes me.

187 192 @185 In addition, canard is one of those little cat-whisker-like wing thingies on the front of Burt Rutan's more futuristic airplane designs . . .

Posted by: filbert at December 03, 2010 03:12 PM (smvTK)

Actually that's just a front-mounted elevator. Not whisker-like, it's the same function as a taileron (if it's angled, usually dihedral), just on the other end.

Yeah, I'm a geek. Shut up.

188

They mock her because she's Sarah Palin's daughter...and so she must be a dumb hick by her genes...becuase anyone who clubs fish, shoots caribou, and basically appreciates what it really means to put food on the table must be a dumb hick who talks funny.

Like the NY elite don't have an accent.  Hmmmm...the condescension is sickening.

189

In fact, she's doing EXACTLY what you idiots want. She's kicking Keefy's ass and acting like an adult. No crying, just reloading.

That's why I"m reading this thread with my jaw dropped.
She's stupid.
Her butt's big (from snarks during DWTS)
She couldn't have written this.  Then picking the structure to pieces.

Not one damn thing about the intent or spine behind who she is.

It's like The View without the cute shoes or the praise.

190 188 I am not saying Bristol is dumb. but the bad thing is by making posts that don't sound like her interviews it gives ammo to her enemies and they don't need any more.

Posted by: anon at December 03, 2010 03:10 PM (j/wD+)

What I'm saying is I don't care, her enemies make shit up anyway, fuck you, and have a nice day.

That last part was rhetorical, by the way, I don't really care if you have a nice day.

191 "The reason any conservative's failing is always major news is that it allowsliberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is the only sinthat really inflames them. Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit backand criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simplyrenounce. It's an intriguing strategy. By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites."-Ann Coulter

192

Like the NY elite don't have an accent.  Hmmmm...the condescension is sickening.

I have friends in Oklahoma who raise beef.  The go to NY a few times a year on business and have fun.  Spend money, shop etc.

Now, if all the beef ranchers were to vanish overnight, NY would notice and be hungry.

If NY were to vanish, the beef ranchers would just go to Atlanta for holiday.

193 If I'm right, the Palin communications team needs a better copy editor. That first sentence is missing a comma between "is" and "by." The phrase "by now" is a parenthetical expression that needs to be set off with commas.

So, maybe Bristol only wrote the misplaced comma, 'cause she's all stupid and shit...?

When I was 20, I knew all of those words and I made sure that I used them when talking to pompous assholes...like Olbermann. I thought "insincere incredulity" was clever a pimp on his stilted and Dickensian verbal perambulations and Ivanhoe syntax. But I'm just a Palinista, ya know, hey.

194

@198  Correct, in no way do I believe she used the word "canard" 

You're assuming that someone's speaking style and writing style must be in complete sync at all times.  Even when an individual has time to craft a written statement

Keep plucking that chicken! lol

195 She's stupid.
Her butt's big (from snarks during DWTS)

That 's why I said if one has an urge to attack someone 's intelligence, then go after more stupid people like Noonan, Brooks, Parker ... They should have done what Bristol did. Admit their mistakes and warn people about Obama/the left. Instead, they are acting like arrogant fools.

196

Yup. How McGinnis didn't wind up as Purina bear chow amazes me.

I'm pissed off that our 'GOP Fellows of the RNC' stand back and let this shit happen over and over and say nothing.   Reason number 1245 why their nutless wonders.

197 I am against abortion. But Kieth Uberdouche having offspring might be the one exception. Well, that and rape rape. Not Julian Assange rape. But you know, non Whoopi type.

198 If I were giving the Palins advice on how to respond to Keith Olbermann's unhinged attacks I'd offer something along these lines:

"I'm sorry, Keith, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my two-year-old son's delightful laughter."

"I was surprised to learn that Keith Olbermann had declared me the 'Worst Person in the World' on his television program several days ago. I just now heard about it because, like the rest of America, I was watching something else at the time."

"I'm happy to accept Keith Olbermann's nomination for the Worst Person in the World. I feel good about my chances of winning. When is the award ceremony? Will Kanye West be attending?"

"Sorry to dissapoint you, Keith, but I'm not going to feud with you. I don't want to give you the ratings bump."

199 I gotta do something. Both my viewers have been on vacation.

200

@202

Glad you kept it classy!  Yeah, they do it so we should do it too.  Nice.

201 Actually that's just a front-mounted elevator. Not whisker-like, it's the same function as a taileron (if it's angled, usually dihedral), just on the other end. Yeah, I'm a geek. Shut up. Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at December 03, 2010 03:16 PM (bxiXv) You should post a thread about escalators one day, dude.

202 "Sorry to dissapoint you, Keith, but I'm not going to feud with you. I don't want to give you the ratings bump."

No I would want to give Keith a rating spike so that more people can see what kind of sewage the left lives in.

203 This post deserves a BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!

204 Mr. Olbermann speaks from his personally lack of intelligence.
It takes a guy whose mind has faltered to tell us that a mind is a terrible thing

.. to waste.

205 "33 How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had? " Getting fired from the Watergate investigatiom Healthcare The Reset Button...

206 Mr. Olbermann speaks from his personally lack of intelligence.
It takes a guy whose mind has faltered to tell us that a mind is a terrible thing

In terms of stupidity, the left and Obama-adoring "conservative" punditry is such a target rich environment! Go at it.

207

Keep plucking that chicken! lol

Posted by: anon at December 03, 2010 03:20 PM (j/wD+)

That's better than what you're doing to it.

208

Actually that's just a front-mounted elevator. Not whisker-like, it's the same function as a taileron (if it's angled, usually dihedral), just on the other end.

Yeah, I'm a geek. Shut up.

Okay, canard aircraft geek pissing contest!!  It is not a front-mounted elevator - it is a front-mounted horizontale stabilizer, which like most horizontal stabilizers, has elevator control surfaces built into it.

There is only one one plane, to my knowledge, that had a canard that was actually just an elevator - in other words, it was not an airfoil, just a "flipper" that moved as a whole, and that was the Curtis XP-55 "Ascender", a late-WWII experimental design.  The Ascender was longitudinally stable around its rear-mounted swept wing - the canard reallt was just an elevator.  Most canards are nose-heavy and generate lift with a front wing, and a manner the opposite of a traditional horizontal tailplane, which generates downward "lift".  Yep.

By the way the "Ascender" name was a funny little joke that Curtiss designers played on the Army brass, and they got away with it. Ass-ender - get it?

209 You should post a thread about escalators one day, dude.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 03, 2010 03:25 PM (tJjm/)

Yeah, seriously. What is it with those things? Half the time I get on them, you practically have to run, and everybody's headed the wrong way!

210

If I were inclined to criticize Bristol Palin, it would be for paying any attention whatsoever to an ass-hat like Olbermann.

That being said, she really hits home on a good point, as does Ace - hits them where it hurts. Sounds to me like her detractors are jealous about her having a baby, whereas they have denied themselves that basic "human-ness", as either some sort of elitist crapolla, or for the sake of their career.

211 well anyways, Olby's not the kind what reproduces, iykwim.

Posted by: louis tully at December 03, 2010 01:27 PM (K/USr)

Thank God for small favors.  Bathtub Boy would be a disaster as a father just like he is at everything else; he's very retarded in the sense that he's an undeveloped human being.  Everything he does, like the petulant reaction to Coulter mocking his Moo U degree, is extremely immature and lacking in confidence.  If Keef was secure in how fucking smart he was he would've just laughed off AC's jibes and not even responded to them.  But he didn't because he knows he's a worthless fraud; just like the rest of the quislings on MessDNC.  The whole lot of 'em aren't worth a jar of piss.  And they know it.

212

Okay, canard aircraft geek pissing contest!! It is not a front-mounted elevator - it is a front-mounted horizontale stabilizer, which like most horizontal stabilizers, has elevator control surfaces built into it.

Posted by: sherlock at December 03, 2010 03:36 PM (2DD2m)

Okay, I'll give ya that one. My mental picture of a Canard is of a monolithic control surface, but you're right, the typical mechanical expression is of a stabilizer.

I think the F8 Crusader technically had fully articulated canards, but they were mid-mounted and everybody just called them "umm, err, umm... ventral elevators?" They were almost more vertical than horizontal. I think the X29 also had fully mobile canards, but I think Velveeta is the best cheese so WTF do I know?

Mind you, a TRUE aviation geek would have lectured everyone on the differences between close-coupled, control, and lifting canards.

213 One thing about Bristol's note: it's way to smartly to be written to be hers. I just don't believe it wasn't written by a staff member or maybe even her Mom. But - perhaps unfairly - Bristol never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer anytime I've heard her speak on TV.

Spoken extemporaneous communication and written communication do not correlate 1:1. While she may or may not have actually written that rejoinder, one cannot compare what she might have said in an interview to what she might have taken some time to compose to get the exact message she wanted to convey. Most people's written communication is more sophisticated than their spoken off-the-cuff communication.

214 I checked, after posting (as tradition demands), and it was teh Crusader III. Which was a test model only.

AND they were so far back they were not canards. For some reason I thought they were midship. Whatevs, I'm done embarrassing myself for today.

215

Does this comments thingy do pictures:

216 Cheeses--

1. I don't think Bristol is responsible for the punctuation error.

2. I think the staffer who wrote the statement goofed.

3. The fact that there is a minor punctuation error in the statement doesn't eliminate the possibility that a professional political flack wrote it. Even the most fastidious writers make occasional mistakes.

4. The statement isn't well-written. It's turgid, punctilious political blather. The thing reads like a canned statement from some bureaucratic dweeb whose singular collegiate accomplishment was memorizing Robert's Rules of Order. It doesn't take a remarkable intellect to bang out garbage like that. If anything, I'm complimenting Bristol when I suggest that she didn't actually write it.

5. It isn't a misplaced comma. There is a coordinating comma which is missing.

217 Does this comments thingy do pictures:

Posted by: jwest at December 03, 2010 03:47 PM (wBISB)

Oh God I hope not, given what we TALK about here, there isn't enough eyebleach in the world to fix things if people started putting up pictures.

218 228 Does this comments thingy do pictures: Posted by: jwest at December 03, 2010 03:47 PM (wBISB) Yes! See:

219 I personally write way gooder than I speak.

220 Maybe those that had abortions are now regretting it, having guilt feelings and are taking it out on those that didn't abort instead of dealing with their own shortcomings.

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222 Hey, unless one has an agenda or a deep love for the precise mechanics of the English language, I think it is dumb to pick nits in this case.

223 Here is the reason I think people attacked Bristol for her pregnancy.

She is better than them and both she and them know it. She brought a teen pregnancy to term rather than taking the chickenshit easy way out, the out they themselves would have taken.

She showed in that one mature act maturity, integrity and grit. Things people like Keith and Stewart lack completely. They know they lack it. Instead of working hard to overcome those character faults they take their self-hatred out on others, kind of like an abusive alcoholic.

224

Merovign, Strong on His Mountain: Hmmm, I see the canard-fu is strong in this one.

But grasshopper, I must gracefully correct you again: the F8U had an all-moving main wing, not a canard.  Instead of dropping flaps at the trailing edge to lower landing speeds, the whole wing was tilted up a few degrees as a single unit, even including the top of the fuselage between the wings - nothing at all to do with canards.

225 Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at December 03, 2010 03:49 PM (EF0XN) Seriously? Most of the population would miss all that and take the weight of it for what it is.. A big smack in Keiffy's nuts.

226

235 Hey, unless one has an agenda or a deep love for the precise mechanics of the English language, I think it is dumb to pick nits in this case.

The infants of pygmy nits in this case!

227 No comment.

228

Maybe Bristol uses Thesaurus.com or she borrows MegaMac's Google. Some of you are unbelieveble. Someone smarter than her had to write it because of the big words, but look, the dummy used commas wrong. I don't care who wrote it. The smackdown is almost epic. She could have included cow college or bath tub to make it epic.

229 What about Chelsea Clinton, whose parents nag us about public service and sacrifice, yet who works for a cushy hedge fund that adds no productivity to the economy or "social justice"?

230 Crap, 4th post in nailed it...

231 32 I have a suspicion that there's some Marv Albert-grade shit in Olbertard's past that he'd just as soon leave buried.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 03, 2010 01:28 PM (1ODi+)

--Every few months or so Levin has said he has detailed e-mails from exes of Keith that have high . . . freak content.  I think Levin said he would not disclose any of it unless he's about to retire.  I am certain the existence of that material is why Levin bashes Keef (and by extension PMSLSD) mercilessly.

232

DrewM wrote"Is it ridiculous that the left is so fixated on her? Sure. It's also ridiculous that she has so many opportunities and so much support simply because of who she is."

And she would be different from the children of so many other rich/famous people in what way?  And they are targets of the left in what way?  Bristol Palin would be lauded if Sarah Palin were on the left.  Sarah Palin would be championed if she were a Democrat and did all the personal stuff she does).  She's attacked solely because she's a conservative/republican.  Bristol is attacked solely for being the progeny of Sarah. 

Frankly, you sound a little jealous of the opportunities she gets.  Get over it man.  Would I like to have some of those opportunities?  You betcha.  Am I going to whine about it like a little bitch?  No effing way.

233

I remember seeing photos of Chelsea Clinton dead-ass drunk being hauled out of a vehicle in London all the while she was flashing her cooch to the cameras.  Just try and find one of those pictures now - you won't.

It was the same with the GWB's daughters....painted as underaged party-girls-whores-out-of-control. 

 

234

There are 2 kinds of canards. Lifting canard and control canard. One is the horizontal stabilizer (such as Tu-144), the other is movable and can be used for additional control surface.

Here endeth the lesson.

235 [working my way through the thread, not sure if anyone will read the replies!]

36 But anyway, let's not overlook the puritanical streak in leftism, which adds a note of sincerity, however icky, to the condemnation of Bristol. Lefties are a grim lot. I'm still trying to get my brain around their simultaneous licentiousness and joylessness. It's not simple hypocrisy; it's more complicated.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 03, 2010 01:29 PM (7yN3t)

--There is an old rabbinical expression, "Death is God's enemy, and the enemies of God embrace death."  Even if you do not believe in God, the takeaway is that evil is inherently self-destructive: it cannot sustain itself in the long run, and sucks the life out of the good in the meantime.  Look how many pro-abortion organizations, or even the likes of ACORN, suck taxpayer dollars to keep going.  Look at these pro-abortion groups that cloak themselves in the language of religious compassion, or by appealing to "reason" against The Man, like "Catholics for Free Choice."  These are not true grass roots organizations; they are small closets with a FAX number to serve as a fig leaf to confuse the faithful and parasitize the taxpayer.  Meanwhile, groups like ACORN exist for their own sake, and serve no useful  civic purpose.

Many individual libtards never outgrow a childish, selfish view of other people, most of whom they hate in the concrete but love in the abstract.  Being steeped in environmentalism (loving plants and other animals instead of people) and victimology (justifying concrete hatred by citing abstract past harms) solidifies and validates this worldview.

To that I say, fine, let 'em stew but let's make sure they get almost none of my money and it's mostly on their dime.

236 247

There are 2 kinds of canards. Lifting canard and control canard. One is the horizontal stabilizer (such as Tu-144), the other is movable and can be used for additional control surface.

Here endeth the lesson.

Posted by: Schwalbe © at December 03, 2010 04:24 PM (UU0OF)

QUACK!

(Translation: "You forgot the third kind.")

237

Posted by: Dave C at December 03, 2010 04:07 PM (vjkov)

I agree that most of the population will gloss over the missing comma and the stilted diction, but I don't think that they'll see it as a serious blow to Olbermann. I don't really see it as some kind of devastating comeback, either.

All the statement really said was that Bristol would continue to speak out about teen pregnancy. That's commendable; she shouldn't have to slink away because of the taunts of shrill partisan cable hosts. I like that she stood firm, but her response wasn't an epic backhand.

She didn't disembowel him with wit or disarm his criticisms with charm. I doubt many Americans will be sitting around their dinner tables tonight saying, "did you see the way Bristol totally called Olbermann out on his insincere incredulity? Burn!"

238

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239 I like that she stood firm, but her response wasn't an epic backhand.

Just curious what she could have said better than: "I have never claimed to be perfect. If that makes me the 'worst person in the world' to Mr. Olbermann, then I must apologize for not being absolutely faultless like he undoubtedly must be." Not bad for a 20-year-old.

240

The fourth sentence in my previous post should have read:

"That's commendable; she shouldn't have to slink away because of the taunts of shrill, partisan cable hosts."

I left out the comma between the coordinate adjectives when I was editing.

Of course, I denounce myself.

241

Just curious what she could have said better than: "I have never claimed to be perfect. If that makes me the 'worst person in the world' to Mr. Olbermann, then I must apologize for not being absolutely faultless like he undoubtedly must be." Not bad for a 20-year-old.

Ditto.  Often simplicity has the greatest power.  I for one am weary of the prose prisses who love words so much they overlook heart and content.

242 Look at these pro-abortion groups that cloak themselves in the language of religious compassion...

You mean the Bush family? Oh, yeah. Go to hell, Rove. The Bush family never learned not to start what they can't finish.

243 They also suggested you send a small deposit in cash via FedEx as a “good faith” gesture, just so we know you’re not one of those Nigerian scam artists.

I assure you, we are not Nigerian.

244 "Sorry to dissapoint you, Keith, but I'm not going to feud with you. I don't want to give you the ratings bump."

Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at December 03, 2010 03:23 PM (EF0XN)

What kind of sick soul would tune in to catch a grown man behind on the news cycle who just had his ass handed to him by a girl too young to drink?

245 "Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?" Nice image.

246

Pantsuit wearing, cankled lesbians rarely get each other pregnant.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 03, 2010 02:56 PM (eCAn3)

But wasn't Chelsea's dad Janet Reno?

247

What kind of sick soul would tune in to catch a grown man behind on the news cycle who just had his ass handed to him by a girl too young to drink?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2010 04:53 PM (mHQ7T)

An Olbermann viewer?

It's a cut at his piss-poor ratings compared to those of the Dancing With the Stars when she was featured. Olbermann clearly believes that attacking Bristol Palin will increase interest in his program. Otherwise, he wouldn't bother. Everything he's said or done since the absurd suspension has been calculated to boost viewership.

If you really want to gut a preening ninny like Keith Olbermann, stick the knife where it hurts: the ratings.

248 Anyone actually believe a Palin could articulate like that? I sure as hell don't. The palins are so manufactured.

249 "Am I to believe all those unmarried, sexually-active honies on CNN or MSNBC (or Fox, for that matter) can actually mock Palin for getting pregnant without having a tiny little busted-up skeleton in their own closets?" I'm just going to paraphrase Teddy Bass in "Sexy Beast": "They're all cunts"

250 Anyone actually believe a Palin could articulate like that? I sure as hell don't. The palins are so manufactured.

Posted by: cvb at December 03, 2010 05:22 PM (Elo4W)

Yeah, they're not at all articulate like the jugeared fuck, who often doesn't conjugate verbs correctly or use "a" versus "an" properly.  How can they compete with that genius?

251 Guess what? Laura Schlessinger did the very same thing, for the very same reasons.

Then that makes her a laughable fool.

Does anyone believe that when a father gives his daughter away that the father actually believe he owns his daughter?

Of course not.

It's tradition. And it's a way to honor your father by ritualistically asking him for his blessing.

It's a way of showing your love and respect to the man who made it his mission in life to protect you and take care of you.

Assuming you have a good relationship with your dad, denying your father the honor of giving you away because "no one owns you" makes you a miserable, selfish, ungrateful piece of shit. A wedding is not the time to make pointless political statements.

We don't force women to marry in this country. No father literally thinks he owns his daughter.

252 1. I don't think Bristol is responsible for the punctuation error.

Yes, I know that.

2. I think the staffer who wrote the statement goofed.

Yes, I know that.

3. The fact that there is a minor punctuation error in the statement doesn't eliminate the possibility that a professional political flack wrote it. Even the most fastidious writers make occasional mistakes.

Yes, I know that.

4. The statement isn't well-written. It's turgid, punctilious political blather. The thing reads like a canned statement from some bureaucratic dweeb whose singular collegiate accomplishment was memorizing Robert's Rules of Order. It doesn't take a remarkable intellect to bang out garbage like that. If anything, I'm complimenting Bristol when I suggest that she didn't actually write it.

I never said it was well-written. It's perfectly strabismic, vain-glorious, over-weening, self-aggrandizing ostentationism personified to even suggest such a thing. Good day, sir!

5. It isn't a misplaced comma. There is a coordinating comma which is missing.

Fascinating. I could read this stuff for hours...

253

Or is it much more likely that a fair number of them -- say 35% or more -- actually have become pregnant (and I mean the men as well) but simply... destroyed the evidence before it could become public?

(200 Lara Logan, CBS News' chief war correspondent, had an affair with two men in Iraq, got  pregnant and broke-up one of the guys marriage. http://tinyurl.com/2bfmywx
"Lara Logan is sick of being tabloid fodder, CBS’ star reporter tells the Washington Post. But in the same interview, she acknowledged a nugget sure to keep gossip hounds at her heels: She’s pregnant. Having generated a slew of press over a romantic triangle in Iraq—said to have provoked a fistfight between a CNN correspondent and a US contractor in Baghdad—Logan says she plans to marry the child's father. That would be the contractor, Joseph Burkett." The other guy was CNN reporter Michael Ware.

 

254 Oh, and she broke up Burkett's marriage (he helped)

255 Yeah, they're not at all articulate like the jugeared fuck, who often doesn't conjugate verbs correctly or use "a" versus "an" properly.  How can they compete with that genius?

Uhh, heh.  So, uhh, I walked into a morgue, and I asked for a Marine Corpse.  Hahahahahahaha!  You have to laugh, uhh, because I won and stuff.

256 "How many abortions do you think Hillary Clinton has had?"

Are you implying that Hillary Clinton ever had sex?

257 But grasshopper, I must gracefully correct you again: the F8U had an all-moving main wing, not a canard. Instead of dropping flaps at the trailing edge to lower landing speeds, the whole wing was tilted up a few degrees as a single unit, even including the top of the fuselage between the wings - nothing at all to do with canards.

Posted by: sherlock at December 03, 2010 04:06 PM (s0hlt)

The Crusader III had active ventral fins whose name is mysterious.

Look up XF8 Crusader III. I mentioned that in another post where I also realized they weren't canards anyway because they weren't mid-front but rear.

If you have time, check out the test videos of the crusader III (I think they're online). I've never before or since seen a jet move like that.

258 Ace, I swear you are one of the least libertarian "libertarians" I've seen. You're supposed to be this fratboy, but every other thread you're railing about "sexually longitudinal New York-DC axis" or "Leftist sexual politics", or "rotten supporters of premarital sex", functioning as a pretty prominent scold. It doesn't jive with your reputation at all. Which wouldn't be surprising if you were the "Evangelical Christian blogger", but you're not. Don't claim to be something you aren't.

259 Flawless logic,i never thought about it because analyzing and arguing with crazy people is not a good use of my time,but your conclusion is beyond dispute by sane people.Those with palin derangement syndrome will continue with their obcessive compulsive disorder.

260 So, Ace outs himself as an audience-member for both these effin' losers.
 Personally, I have never seen either on TV. The audience for z00 sex is probably about the same size. 40/60 the same people.
Ignore them.
If, somehow, you are compelled to watch, strain with your utmost effort to complete the cycle they set. I am sure there are psycho-sexual categories (e.g., pain, sex, death) for what that entails, but, again, I have no interest. Die fragestellung is all wrong.
I am sure you all have better things to do.

261 <i>(or Fox, for that matter)</i>

FNC seems to perpetually have at least a handful of its anchorbabe population either preggers or on maternity/post-partum leave. Granted, the baby-momma brigades there seem to all be nuptually spoken-for, but that's the case with most of their female on-air folks, maternally-active or otherwise.

Bill Schulz is the notable exception.

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