March 02, 2010
— Ace Actually... this is pretty defensible.
There aren't too many criminal charges that can flow from just thinking bad thoughts or saying bad words. The most important exception is the law against conspiracy, but that requires an agreement that a crime will be committed, and an overt act in furtherance of that conspiracy (like buying rubber gloves after agreeing that a home will be burglarized).
It's hard to lay a conspiracy charge based on someone giving sketchy advice to someone. The ACORN people, by and large, didn't really agree that a brothel should be opened, in the way the law of conspiracy means it. Mere acknowledgement that you've told me you're going to commit a crime doesn't make me a co-conspirator, even if I offer the advice "Don't leave any fingerprints, dude."
Of course, if the advice goes so far as to constitute an "overt act," you can get charged. If I sit down with you and plot out your burglary step-by-step for five hours, I'm pretty sure I'd get charged as a co-conspirator, even though I never really "agreed," per se, the burglary should be committed. I imagine they'd just sort of assume my agreement from my plotting.
But then there are the tax charges -- stuff I don't know about. I don't think the Brooklyn DA knows about those laws either, as I don't think he'd have jurisdiction to bring a federal tax-avoidance charge.
The one guy who I thought might actually have some criminal liability was the guy who called O'Keefe and Giles in order to offer his assistance in smuggling girls over the border. That's an overt act, of course.
This is nonsense, though:
Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe that began when undercover conservative activists filmed workers giving what appeared to be illegal advice on how to hide money.While the video by James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles seemed to show three ACORN workers advising a prostitute how to hide ill-gotten gains, the unedited version was not as clear, according to a law enforcement source.
"They edited the tape to meet their agenda," said the source.
This is more PR on behalf of ACORN. The tapes were not edited in a way that would change the character of what ACORN's employees said.
Whoa: The DA actually is a member of the ACORN party. (Originally I wrote "ran for office on the ACORN ticket," which is wrong.)
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Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 11:08 AM (2zkIP)
There aren't too many criminal charges that can flow from just thinking bad thoughts or saying bad words.
Well good, otherwise, we'd all be under indictment around here.
Hourly.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 02, 2010 11:10 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2010 11:11 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Hobo at March 02, 2010 11:12 AM (V8B//)
Posted by: Scotty Beauchamp at March 02, 2010 11:12 AM (gLSaO)
Posted by: taylork at March 02, 2010 11:12 AM (0Hn5w)
But...Scott Levinson is guilty of being an insufferable asshat.
Punishable by bitchslaps and unleashing unlimited cans of whoop-ass
/I wish.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 02, 2010 11:13 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: National Trade Association of Pimps Specializing in the Importation of Underage South American Girls at March 02, 2010 11:14 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: National Trade Association of Pimps Specializing in the Importation of Underage South American Girls at March 02, 2010 03:14 PM (QKKT0)
Don't forget tax breaks and subsidized housing!
Posted by: ACORN -- er, Communities United for Healthful Living at March 02, 2010 11:16 AM (2zkIP)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 02, 2010 11:17 AM (0FiCa)
"They edited the tape to meet their agenda," said the source.
Hmm, my various strawmen and George Bush Bogeymen haven't been working lately. Maybe, the line I should be running with is "The American people are misinformed about my health care bill(s) because of bad editing. Hey I think I'm on to something. Rahm, Gibbsy, and Dave, I figured out a solution to all the problems we've been having lately...
Posted by: Barry The Wonder Boy at March 02, 2010 11:17 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:18 AM (p302b)
IANAL, so this feels like a conflict of interest.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 02, 2010 11:19 AM (mR7mk)
I stole this from alexthechick: Dicks good, donuts bad.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 02, 2010 11:20 AM (mR7mk)
Twas expected. But why no Hannah Giles pics? That is not defensible.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 02, 2010 11:21 AM (MFQJZ)
Posted by: This is Amy Fishop, the killer whale who gets away with murdah! at March 02, 2010 11:22 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: jewells at March 02, 2010 11:22 AM (l/N7H)
Posted by: National Trade Association of Pimps Specializing in the Importation of Underage South American Girls at March 02, 2010 03:14 PM (QKKT0)
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter! Just one question, though, do you conduct any tours along the Appalachian Trail and where it ends in Brazil?
Posted by: Mark Sanford at March 02, 2010 11:22 AM (CfmlF)
IANAL, so this feels like a conflict of interest.
Being a democrat is in itself a conflict of interest.
Posted by: taylork at March 02, 2010 11:23 AM (0Hn5w)
A friend was in another city and happened to be waiting for a flight. The local news there showed the guys picture and he tweeted to all of us that the story would be gone the next day. We all asked why and his response "tell you in person, but, trust me, it will be gone, I know" and he was right.
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:24 AM (p302b)
It's even harder bein' a pimp.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 02, 2010 11:24 AM (ruzrP)
What about state income tax avoidance charges, Ace?
I suppose it might be an issue of whether ACORN was involved in tax preparation assistance on the state level in a similar manner as they were on the federal level, which would increase their liability for their actions.
Posted by: Dusty at March 02, 2010 11:25 AM (fFk/c)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 02, 2010 11:26 AM (MFQJZ)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 02, 2010 11:26 AM (cpuvG)
I was surprised, I thought he was white.
For real? I wondered why that story died.Careful looking for this image via Yahoo. I did an image search and didn't include the term IRS. The result was a guy showing off his boner. Glad no one at work saw that.
Posted by: taylork at March 02, 2010 11:26 AM (0Hn5w)
18 Brooklyn DA Hynes was endorsed by the Working Families Party, which is ACORN.
Game, set, match. I don't care if he came to the right conclusion. He should have recused himself immediately.
Posted by: Truman North at March 02, 2010 11:27 AM (e8YaH)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:27 AM (p302b)
Some kind of aiding or abetting? Requires overt acts also?
Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:28 AM (1fanL)
Posted by: taylork at March 02, 2010 11:29 AM (0Hn5w)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 02, 2010 03:26 PM (MFQJZ)"
hey, I"m going by what my friend said when he came home. He is haitian and very well educated so I trust him.
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:29 AM (p302b)
They can escape the laws of mortal man, but they will never escape the wrath of the Impaler. He's all over those ACORN pedos right after he finishes his chili cheese fries and being a pedo.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 02, 2010 11:31 AM (MFQJZ)
Some kind of aiding or abetting? Requires overt acts also?
Correct. At least ACORN was exposed for what they are, even if they can't be charged with anything.
Posted by: real joe at March 02, 2010 11:31 AM (YpKIQ)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:31 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 02, 2010 11:32 AM (PQY7w)
Thats 1.6 milliseconds I will never get back.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 02, 2010 11:33 AM (cpuvG)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 02, 2010 11:33 AM (mka2b)
If they have bad editing probs, they can hire all those laid off NYT and ABC peeps to do their editing!
Bwahahahaha
Posted by: torabora at March 02, 2010 11:33 AM (9OaH/)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:33 AM (p302b)
If parents can get Children & Youth sicced on them for the horrific crime of smoking, I would think that sexual slavery should count too.
Posted by: alexthechick at March 02, 2010 11:34 AM (8WZWv)
Posted by: GarandFan at March 02, 2010 11:34 AM (6mwMs)
Makes you wonder about the republican version of ACORN, who is it and what is it, since otherwise, their moral compasses would not have let them drop the issue and abandon the players.
What?
Seriously. What?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 02, 2010 11:34 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: curious
Well, duh.
Posted by: kansas at March 02, 2010 11:34 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: alexthechick at March 02, 2010 03:34 PM (8WZWv)
No children were endangered or sexed in the making of this film.
Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:36 AM (1fanL)
"OT - That Chile quake shifted the axis of the earth and sped it up."
And if the earth "tilted" to the left, you know who that'd benefit?
Posted by: AGW at March 02, 2010 11:37 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: credible credulous citizen at March 02, 2010 11:37 AM (JrRME)
Off topic (and it will make you queasy), I just ran across a group on facebook called Michelle Obama, A FLILF.
Ew, just ew.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 02, 2010 11:38 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:39 AM (p302b)
Off topic (and it will make you queasy), I just ran across a group on facebook called Michelle Obama, A FLILF.
Pics or it didn't happen...
Wait...what? NO...please, no pics. I'm hoping it didn't happen.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 02, 2010 11:41 AM (P33XN)
Barry's high cholesterol?
Hey, if the WH chef would make a wagyu cheeseburger every now and then, he wouldn't have to "sneak" out to Five Guys.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 02, 2010 11:42 AM (mR7mk)
"Anyone know what was blamed on the WH chef?"
OBambi's cholestrol? Had nothing ro do with his binge drinkung. Nope.
Posted by: Whp'd have known at March 02, 2010 11:43 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: HeatherRadish
at March 02, 2010 03:42 PM (mR7mk)
He said he needed to walk that off. Real man of genius.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd at March 02, 2010 11:43 AM (1fanL)
Aww, who can blame him for a little binge drinking. After all, he does have to wake up to the FLILF. That would certainly be enough to drive me into the Betty Ford clinic.
/ready for a drink...is it quitting time yet?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 02, 2010 11:45 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 02, 2010 03:42 PM (cpuvG)
Thanks for thinking thoughtfully throughout.. I've been getting a lot of heat for marrying my 14-year old cousin, so I've been mostly morbid lately.
But it's Balmer, man. Doesn't anyone watch 'The Wire'?
Posted by: Edgar Allan Poe at March 02, 2010 11:46 AM (JrRME)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:49 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Vergeltung at March 02, 2010 11:49 AM (jttPx)
Michelle loves the chef too. Consider their meal plan something akin to eating out every night. That's what the White House menu is all about.
Sam Kass is a great chef. The food at Avec in Chicago is just awesome. Bacon wrapped chorizo dates soaked in firey red pepper sauce tastes as awesome as it reads.
Posted by: wtfci at March 02, 2010 11:50 AM (+zo63)
Posted by: Chris R at March 02, 2010 11:50 AM (AO4qz)
Posted by: Barry McBooger Picker at March 02, 2010 11:50 AM (Xu6d3)
Stack was white. I saw a picture of him playing his bass a la Huckabee.
Posted by: gus at March 02, 2010 11:51 AM (Vqruj)
"After all, he does have to wake up to the FLILF. "
I'm getting a convergence of unpalatable visions that result in total neuronal freezing:
Trains, Planes, & Automobiles. Fluffy pillows. Fluffy hairy, Wook pillows. Face rather than hands.
Posted by: They're coming to take me away at March 02, 2010 11:51 AM (ucq49)
But that situation sounds great in comparison to mine. When I'm fighting with the fiancee I am also fighting with my future father-in-law. I can't wait for the fights with my future mother-in-law. We get along great.
Posted by: wtfci at March 02, 2010 11:52 AM (+zo63)
You know, you make your own hell. They decided to live with her parents in a two family to save money for their own house. The other day I finally said to him "yeah you might save the money to be able to buy a house but have no marriage left in the process". We all told him to rent his little hovel and we see that the wife is still living with her parents and he is an invited guest.
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 11:56 AM (p302b)
Off topic (and it will make you queasy), I just ran across a group on facebook called Michelle Obama, A FLILF.
Ew, just ew.
Thank you very much. I can never go near Facebook again.
Posted by: Steve L. at March 02, 2010 12:03 PM (Gkhxf)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 02, 2010 12:05 PM (0q2P7)
[Pukes]
[Reaches for Brain Bleach™]
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 02, 2010 12:07 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ACORN/CIA Operative at March 02, 2010 12:08 PM (GwPRU)
Every day there's a new reason to be glad I don't have a Facebook account. This one may be good for years.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 02, 2010 12:10 PM (p05LM)
Heh. I prefer the full version - If the government can't tell me whether or not to put a dick in my mouth, the government can't tell me whether or not to put a donut in it.
What's your practice area?
I'm in the PI field and I don't do family law. Obviously, I wasn't clear in my comment above, I was trying to make with the fun that C&Y are known for sticking their noses in people's homes but if an ACORN worker thinks that teen prostitution is fine then no harm no foul. It was a lot funnier in my head.
Posted by: alexthechick at March 02, 2010 12:31 PM (8WZWv)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 12:31 PM (p302b)
"Nearly 500,000 Unemployed Workers Are About To Lose Their Benefits, And About 54,000 In New York""New York: 54,3000 Florida: 49,600 Georgia:
We don't refer to it as losing benefits; these people are now 'Free Lance Funemployed!' Please pass on to all interested parties.
Posted by: Journolist at March 02, 2010 12:39 PM (ERJIu)
By NOT doing that, I'd think he leaves himself open to some serious misconduct charges.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 12:46 PM (17NuV)
Posted by: curious at March 02, 2010 12:52 PM (p302b)
"Your winnings, monsieur"
Posted by: Brooklyn DA Louis Renault at March 02, 2010 12:52 PM (sYxEE)
"I saw a picture of him playing his bass a la Huckabee."
I was embarrassed to see him playing that bass. I'm a bass player. I know bass players. Bass players don't crash planes into buildings.
He shouldn't have ever been allowed to touch one.
Posted by: Former Lurker at March 02, 2010 01:15 PM (ZOl9N)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 02, 2010 01:45 PM (PQY7w)
WHAT THE FUCK?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and buckets of scorn for the left at March 02, 2010 02:57 PM (erIg9)
OT:
Texas morons: If you want to change the world for the better, the GOP for the better, and put hobo-hunting in as a plank, come to your convention tonight!
Posted by: Sekhmet at March 02, 2010 03:03 PM (d5r1U)
43 OT - That Chile quake shifted the axis of the earth and sped it up.
Thats 1.6 milliseconds I will never get back.
Golldang it now I have to go around hte house and reset all the clocks.
Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2010 03:33 PM (su3hy)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 02, 2010 03:20 PM (mR7mk)
How you doing?
Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2010 03:34 PM (su3hy)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at March 02, 2010 03:37 PM (yfa38)
What's all the fuss about folks?..... after all it is Crooklyn... I aughta know
Hynes is one of those fossil ultra liberals that's been destroyng Brooklyn's social fabric for decades since the 50's-60's... him and his Manhattan DA crony Morgenthau... who just retired thankfully... hopefully Hynes will croak soon. It can't come a moment too soon.
It's a shame... Brooklyn ain't that bad a place... it's just that we are surrounded by socialists..... now McMahon (NY-13) has been named as one of the 9 Blow Dogs who might flip his prior no vote on ZeroCare in the house...... it's a fucking struggle at every turn in this county. I keep calling his office, but he don't give a shit... there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat... their all socialists.
Posted by: Last Conservative In Brooklyn at March 02, 2010 04:01 PM (7uAeI)
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Posted by: real joe at March 02, 2010 11:05 AM (YpKIQ)