1 hmmmmmmmmm

2 If you don;t want to go to Abilene, don't take the train to Abilene.

3 I found an excerpt from a cabinet meeting.

4 You should have included some reference to "The Emperor's New Clothes."

5 I wonder if any of them will be relieved the ride is over.


I have a theory that dem turnout is going to be low low low.

For this very reason.

6 I believe in the Pat Caddell cascade. It includes rape, murder and cookies, in that order.

7 This is a lot like what happened with Scott Brown in Massachusetts. It went from NFW to maybe there's a chance to ass-kicking in the space of about 3 weeks.

8 So the Abilene factor could basically apply to any group who act in contrary to any of the individuals wishes...like say in US politics?

9 You've been on fire lately Rd, what gives?

Some new strange or is it drugs?

10 A person is smart, people are dumb.

Good ideas are (often) adopted naturally and spontaneously, it takes the power of a crowd (mob, group, society) to make bad ideas general.

None of which is a perfect description, just tendencies, kind of like the stated cascade and paradox. Obviously some people are dumb, and some group decisions are smart.

I think it is possible to generalize that if you can't convince a person to do something, but you can convince a group to do it (provided the former decision isn't based on impossibility, like building an Ultra-Large Crude Carrier would be impossible for an individual), then that thing is probably not a good idea.

11 I think this is also why they try so hard to discredit the intentions of the other side. There may be a lot of people who agree that Democrat policies suck, but they don't want to vote for the racists.

12 LOL, the Abilene Paradox theory was created by the typical management "consultant" as a fancy term to explain to senior management why it is a bad idea to surround yourselves with ass kissing yes men. There is nothing there other than that.  The average line foreman could have told them the same thing for less than the $150/hr to the fancy consultant charged.

Using this theory for politics may or may not work but we are actually talking about a different mechanism. 

13
This post wants to make me think.
Do not want.

14 Kittehs.

15 Soap. Backs. Abstinence.

Some assembly required.

I'll be excited on Wednesday morning if there is an R Senate. I will, of course, still bathe in the tears of newscasters reporting the R House.

16 Kittehs.

17 This explains a lot of what is happening in Turkey today. While not necessarily totalitarian to the extent of North Korea, Iran or Baathist Iraq, the Turkish government is censoring more and more of the media. The Turkish people already have a healthy distrust of their government, and many had their doubts about the Gaza/Mavi Marmara incident. When told what actually happened it confirmed their suspicions. This explains why when I was in Istanbul in June, not long after the incident, there was no palpable sense of really overt anti-Americanism and anti-semitism, although there were a few overt signs here and there.

18 You should have included some reference to "The Emperor's New Clothes."

Posted by: JohnJ at August 29, 2010 05:17 PM

Hah.  Good point.

19 I think we may see Obumble's approval rating drop further, as more people realize it isn't the conventional thing to dig his act. And that a hefty majority has sized him up and found him wanting. Cordially...

20 Emperor's New Clothes.

21

LOL, the Abilene Paradox theory was created by the typical management "consultant" as a fancy term to explain to senior management why it is a bad idea to surround yourselves with ass kissing yes men.

Like the White House?  Like ReidPelosiCongress?

22

"Until something breaks the spell."

I credit the internet.  Every time someone rants about the evils of the internet (in a Christian community this happens a lot), I comment on how well word about the goings-on of the present administration, etc has gotten around with the internet, how well we would have been kept in the dark without it and how that's why the liberals would all like for the internet to be under govenment control.

23

Once you can indicate you don't like Obama's policies and won't have to fear the name calling, Obama's approval rating should be cut in half from where they are now.  Sky high unemployment, no jobs for the forseeable future, and crushing debt are not poll boosters. 

The only jobs being created are AxelTurfer jobs.  Considering that the young people I know are starting to have real concerns for their futures, the AxelTurfers are truly just in it for the money these days.

24
Look into what's called over-valued ideas. 

And 'availability cascade' fits the psy-ops employed in politics better than this preference cascade stuff.

25

I don't care why they did it, just that they did, and they rubbed our faces in it while they did it, by doing such things as calling their countrymen evil names, and parading around mocking the people by carrying a huge gavel as a symbol of their uncaring power to ignore our wishes.  I never want to see an American elected official do that again, and when the Republicans take back control of the people's House, they should smash and burn that gavel - it has been defiled!

I do not want to see any Democrats survive the coming slaughter - not a single one.  And when we also take back the White House, I want to see a bloodbath in the ranks of the political appointees.  Bush should have decimated their ranks - all they did was undercut his every effort on behalf of this country.  I want to see any appointee that ever said the word "Democrats", without the words "fucking asshole..." in front of it, out on their asses!!

26 The other is the 49-50-51% rule. Once 49% of people are against something, some on the fence start to look the other way, getting you to 50, and if it happens quickly enough 51% hits faster as "nobody wants to be on the losing side" then climbs to 52% then 53% then 54%... If we generate the perception in public and on the internet that we are WINNING the Senate, it becomes reality. Enthusiasm in polling, activism, and internet postings indicated we believed we would win the House (not the senate though) as early as January. After a while, this belief spread and spread, to the point now that most media outlets believe we will win the House. We are already rumbling about the senate, and now, NYT makes parallels to 1980. KEEP pushing this, and it will actually happen- you will see Angle, Kirk, Rossi, Johnson, and Fiorina leading or dead even, ENHANCING the perception further that Republicans will win, and the enthusiasm builds, rather than wanes, for the Republicans, making it actually happen.

27 Anyone see what happened to Al Sharpton on CSPAN today?
http://tinyurl.com/26js4xr

28 "breaks the spell"

See, there you crackas go with that witch doctor thing again.

29

The only jobs being created are AxelTurfer jobs.  Considering that the young people I know are starting to have real concerns for their futures, the AxelTurfers are truly just in it for the money these days.

Posted by: Boots at August 29, 2010 05:32 PM (06JTY)

Still not enough to get me out of my mom's basement.

30
Obama is following the same arc as Zima. Coors spent $50 million marketing the shit in it's first year. Close to 50% of drinkers tried it...once.

31 25, "I want to see any appointee that ever said the word "Democrats", without the words "fucking asshole..." in front of it, out on their asses!!"

Sounds like a winning campaign slogan!!

32

We don't have 99% of people thinking the new redistributionist state is terrible. A significant fraction of the country likes socialism just fine. The fact that a few classical liberals have seen the light is insignificant.

Restoring America will require war, which can hopefully be confined to political war. War it will be, the takers are well entrenched in govt bureaucracies at all levels, in the schools, the unions, the urban criminal gangs, and in the welfare system itself. Elections have little effect on these people, their evil work continues no matter the party in power.  

33 #30 Do they still make that shit?

34 The internet helped us win the Iraq War. Messages from the troops themselves snuck past the message from the MFM and defeated it. The internet is doing the same thing here. Ever notice how a person who only watches the MFM will go up to another person who gets news from the net and say, "Um, so what's the net say about this?"?

35 While president was in Martha's Vineyard, workers at White House have been busy installing new carpets, drapes, painting, etc. in Oval Office

/true

36 Coors spent $50 million marketing the shit in it's first year. Close to 50% of drinkers tried it...once.

President Zima.  I love it.

37 While president was in Martha's Vineyard, workers at White House have been busy installing new carpets, drapes, painting, etc. in Oval Office

Can't wait to see FLOTUS wearing them.

38 Yes, President Zima is a good one.

39 The Obama Administration and the Left are the not an Abilene Paradox. The Abilene Pardox involves a group that makes a decision based on an assumption of preference that isn't there within that group. While the Left's actions have become unpopular amongst the public within the Leftist group those same actions are very popular. Their actions are based on false assumptions. Otherwise they wouldn't lie about what their agenda was. They know we don't want socialism. They're forcing it on us anyway. So let's not bother with Oinko this and Abilene that. They are damned Nazis and they want to destroy the country. It really is that simple. They knew this wouldn't be popular. They don't care. They don't care if they lose seats this fall. They will just do end run after end run and veto after veto until this nation crumbles. And that isn't a paradox. Just treason.

40
Y'all ever hear of the Cocksucker Paradox?

41 Dammit, y'all are too fast and too funny for me.  All the good snark is taken. 

President Zima is awesome. 

42
Do they still make that shit?

No, Coors pulled the plug in 2008.

43 * That should be: Their actions aren't based on false assumptions.

44 They knew this wouldn't be popular. They don't care. They don't care if they lose seats this fall. They will just do end run after end run and veto after veto until this nation crumbles. And that isn't a paradox. Just treason.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 29, 2010 05:46 PM (WZFkG)

Yup.  The simplest explanations are usually the most accurate.

 

45 Y'all ever hear of the Cocksucker Paradox?

Posted by: mr magoo at August 29, 2010 05:47 PM (enTwu)

Do tell.

46

Ever notice how a person who only watches the MFM will go up to another person who gets news from the net and say, "Um, so what's the net say about this?"?

My husband often tells me newsworthy things he heard about and I usually tell him that I read that online like, 3 days ago.

47 Clamato. Now that is an Abilene Paradox.

48 WTF?

Over my pay grade or I haven't smoked up.

Yeah, that's it. Pass the pipe.

49 What was that clear soda pop they had for a while, Crystal Pepsi?

50 49 What was that clear soda pop they had for a while, Crystal Pepsi?

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 29, 2010 05:52 PM (LutGd)

--I think.  There was also Pepsi Clear; I forgot the difference since they were around just a year or so.

51 How about Kipler's Malt Beverage? Zima's retarded cousin.

52 47 Clamato. Now that is an Abilene Paradox.

Posted by: sifty at August 29, 2010 05:51 PM (PJJWW)

Two words: Bloody Mary.

I have no idea what else that stuff is good for, but just that one thing forgives all its other sins.

53 the takers are well entrenched in govt bureaucracies at all levels, in the schools, the unions, the urban criminal gangs, and in the welfare system itself. Elections have little effect on these people, their evil work continues no matter the party in power.  

Posted by: Meremortal at August 29, 2010 05:39 PM (7FgWm)

54
Remember MIKE'S RETARDED VODKA?

55

Re #54 Oops - hit enter too soon.

I liked that statement because it's a core part of our problem.  Elections can only directly dislodge a portion of our enemies.  Broad systemic solutions are necessary.  Do any of the Reps really have the balls??

56 Okay, having watched that again, it's the Better Off Ted Jabberwocky episode wherein no one would admit to not knowing about the project that didn't actually exist.  Got it.

57 32 We don't have 99% of people thinking the new redistributionist state is terrible. A significant fraction of the country likes socialism just fine. The fact that a few classical liberals have seen the light is insignificant. Restoring America will require war, which can hopefully be confined to political war. War it will be, the takers are well entrenched in govt bureaucracies at all levels, in the schools, the unions, the urban criminal gangs, and in the welfare system itself. Elections have little effect on these people, their evil work continues no matter the party in power. Posted by: Meremortal at August 29, 2010 05:39 PM (7FgWm) Now that's the kind of pre-revolutionary I was talking about last week. As always I am proven correct. Kneel before Pat!!!

58 I'd relate the Obama phenomenon more to the "Emperor has no clothes" than the "Abilene paradox".

Now people are starting to realize that indeed Emperor Obama is, in fact, naked.

59 It really is that simple. They knew this wouldn't be popular. They don't care. They don't care if they lose seats this fall. They will just do end run after end run and veto after veto until this nation crumbles. And that isn't a paradox. Just treason. Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 29, 2010 05:46 PM

I disagree, but only partially. I think Osama Obama and the Dems in Congress really believed the public would spread flowers in their path if they started turning this country into a new Kenya, only with more free stuff (temporarily) for the protected classes. After all, who do they hear from? The limousine liberals and the reparations/World Peace crowd, that's who.

My fear is that they will somehow deem themselves re-elected in '10 and '12, by which time they may well have completed their treasonous work. Up to now, it has worked for them, so why change?

Moreover, when the newly oppressed rise against them, they will be genuinely hurt. They did it all for us, after all. They don't understand the world outside the dope-fueled fantasies of 1960s liberals, and never will.

60 Watch me morons.excerpt

61

Term limits

Biannual congress, meeting for no more than six months

No professional politicians

62 If we can convince the hot, hip, cool twenty-somethings that it is OK to be free... we got zero worries in November.


Jim,
On days I wake up needing a Bloody Mary really bad, I can usually already taste clams from the night before.

My brother used to drink Clamato and beer with an egg in it as a hangover cure. I'd rather have a .45ACP aspirin.

63 #60 Sorry about no italics for the quote. The evil team of Pixy and Firefox strikes again!

64 62 Jim DeMint keeps pushing for something like that, but it's not like a bunch of politicians are going to give up their power & free money out of principle.

65 If we can convince the hot, hip, cool twenty-somethings that it is OK to be free... we got zero worries in November.

The hipsters honestly don't care so much about consequences so much as something is "sweet", ironic, cutting-edge, seemingly intellectual, etc. They'll probably still vote for Obama & the Dems because "people aren't cool or smart enough to get them". But we shall see.  

66 Jim,
On days I wake up needing a Bloody Mary really bad, I can usually already taste clams from the night before.

My brother used to drink Clamato and beer with an egg in it as a hangover cure. I'd rather have a .45ACP aspirin.

Posted by: sifty at August 29, 2010 06:01 PM (PJJWW)

Out here they sell Clamato and Bud premixed.

http://bit.ly/A0t3T

It's not as bad as you think it would be, but it helps if you are already drunk. It goes well with fish tacos and lime.

67 The eight or nine million new anchor babies that will come with an Executive Order Obama Lame Duck Amnesty will more than make up for the declining birthrate. Our schools will ring with the sound of Cinco de Quatro celebrations and the beating of Glenn Beck pinatas.

68 40
Y'all ever hear of the Cocksucker Paradox?

The new and approved AoSHQ is not going into the Cocksucker Paradox,  it could be racist.

69 Where I come from this is called a "Canadian compromise."  Everybody involved is p*ssed off.

70 ♫ Abilene, Abilene
    Prettiest town
    That I've ever seen
    People there
    Don't Sure treat you mean
    In Abilene
    My Abilene.. ♫

71 Twenty-somethings need to be encouraged to go vote on December 5th.


Lived in San Diego County for six years. I miss it. I even miss Tijuana. Tacos and Dos Equis with WestPac Widows on Revolution Avenue were fun before they started decapitating whitey down there.

I don't miss that douche with the whistle.

72 Cocksucker paradox? Whats that?

73 My wife likes the half-beer/half-Clamato cocktail.  Not sure if she's ever added the egg.

74

What we have here is an entrenched Political class, who is out of sync with rest of America, making poor choices...

But Americans have been indoctrinated through the School system for a couple of generations now, that it is NEVER OK to fight... to bow to authority no matter what...

That indoctrination will keep them in power a bit longer than otherwise, but the anger of the American people is just about at a tipping point.

The Abilene paradox will break when Americans once more wake up, and realize that WE have the power... not some mythical entity called the Government.

75 The Abilene Paradox benefits Mitt Romney.

76 Here's Obumbles doing his "everyone should be grateful" routine RE Iraq. Tuesday is going to be headache-inducing. But he likely thinks he deserves the credit. It's all about him.

77
By The Time I Get To Abeline

-Glenn Campbell

78

Term limits

Biannual congress, meeting for no more than six months

No professional politicians

One bill; one law. Limits on text length.

79 "Paracocks"?

Not needed if you have just one big one.

80

73 Twenty-somethings need to be encouraged to go vote on December 5th.

I'll still be voting on November 2nd.

81 74 Cocksucker paradox? Whats that?

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at August 29, 2010 06:13 PM (9cflz)

 

Simple, its a well known Cultural phemenon, that 97% of Men Dislike a MALE Cocksucker, but LIKE a Female Cock Sucker... and yet don't consider themselves sexist...

82 Who are those 3% who don't like a female cocksucker? They need to be flogged.

83 Whats next , the Abilene omen/moment?

84
Who are those 3% who don't like a female cocksucker? They need to be flogged.

Posted by: sifty at August 29, 2010 06:22 PM (PJJWW)

1.  Barney Frank

2.  Shepard Smith

3. 

85 OT: Ford Earthfucker.

I know I heard a reference to it here first, but someone did it up right.

86 You've been on fire lately Rd, what gives?

Some new strange or is it drugs?

Posted by: JavaJoe at August 29, 2010 05:20 PM

Strange new drugs.

I've always been an information junkie.  Ace was just kind enough to allow me to document dump some ideas and dog videos here.

87 37 While president was in Martha's Vineyard, workers at White House have been busy installing new carpets, drapes, painting, etc. in Oval Office

Can't wait to see FLOTUS wearing them.

Good one, butt I am not sure there will be enough fabric after she is finished tasting ice cream in all 57 states.

88 What do you call the "I'm giving away/spending all my money now because it's not going to be worth anything in a year anyway" paradox?

89 72 ♫ Abilene, Abilene
    Prettiest town
    That I've ever seen
    People there
    Don't Sure treat you mean
    In Abilene
    My Abilene.. ♫

Correction: wimmens there don't treat you mean.. (creaking memory and all that)
http://tinyurl.com/Waylon-Jennings-Abilene

90 My wife likes the half-beer/half-Clamato cocktail.  Not sure if she's ever added the egg.

Posted by: logprof at August 29, 2010 06:13 PM

I've never had Clamato, but my buddy and I used to drink V-8 and beer.  Spicy V-8's even better.  He called it a "Washington Red Eye."  Don't know why.

91 Juan Williams beclowns himself in 3....2.....1....

92 Two words: Bloody Mary.

It's Canadian and the mixer in a Caesar.

93 Interesting. I'm seeing some stories on Facebook about people who were convinced to go back to church after GB's rally yesterday.

94 O/T, but it is just too delicious not to post:
http://tinyurl.com/3yrhznt

Must be the week for NY and NJ politicians to get duped.

95 87
Who are those 3% who don't like a female cocksucker? They need to be flogged.

Posted by: sifty at August 29, 2010 06:22 PM (PJJWW)

1.  Barney Frank

2.  Shepard Smith

3. 

Posted by: Fish at August 29, 2010 06:24 PM (v1gw3)

 

Und I zeee you have made ze breakthrough, and underztand...

96 I'm fat and ugly, and that's why no one ever sees a picture of my face. I'm also a raging alcoholic. I'm unpleasant; I beat my kids, and I have this insane belief that my attitudes, prejudices, likes and dislikes are shared by everybody else.

97
Siggy,

I have an obsession with Julie Banderas' teats.  Is there any hope of recovery from this fixation?

98 He was an abused child.

99

Where I come from this is called a "Canadian compromise."  Everybody involved is p*ssed off.

 

You got that right

100 Only steers and queers come from Abilene!

101 I've never had Clamato, but my buddy and I used to drink V-8 and beer.

When I was in the Bay Area in the 70s that is what everyone had at Sunday Brunch for hangovers. Either that or a straight up bloody mary.

102 Vic, I noticed that was the only drink I could have that did not give me a hangover in the first place.  Must be something in the tomato stuff.

103 It's only the first hour of the hangover is bad...once you get some advils and caffeine into you, you get all numb and then it's okay...

104 It's "the Washington Red Eye paradox."

105 LOL, I don't get hangovers. That is a bad sign. I will feel a little lethargic but no headache etc. 

106
Without question, no one could ever accuse Juan Williams of being a journalist.  He's Obama's Fox News buttboy!

107 He's Obama's Fox News buttboy!

Don't forget about me!

108

109 Without question, no one could ever accuse Juan Williams of being a journalist.  He's Obama's Fox News buttboy!

What were they discussing this time?

Also agree about Juan Williams. He only disagrees with the Admin about 5% of the time, & even then, it takes an awful lot to make him angry at Obama.

109 I always get hangovers but some are worse than others.  If I remember to drink lots of water before I go to sleep, it's not too bad.

110 V-8 is full of electrolytes. Probably keeps one from getting as dehydrated overnight. I like V-8 and beer as a drink after a hot ride day. The beer helps the V-8 go down

111 Beer and tomato juice is not something I picture going together too well...

112

V-8 is full of electrolytes.

Like Brawndo?

113 Democrats are starting to realize no individual really wanted to go this far--to Abilene, as it were--with change. I wonder if any of them will be relieved the ride is over.

Maybe, but as sure as a moron eats bacon you can count on them to foist the blame on "the right".

114 CanadaDave, try it with spicy V-8.  Mmm.  If I still drank, I'd drink one.

115
What were they discussing this time?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 29, 2010 06:51 PM (yfJ6g)

Invading Iraq was a terrible decision; there were no weapons of mass destruction;  we lost 4000 service members and that's a tragedy;  horrible!

Compilation of his talking points, direct from the liberal/progressive playbook of "What to say on television to rebut conservative facts."

116 Advice from my 6th grade teacher: "If you don't stop drinking, you will never get a hangover."

117

Maybe, but as sure as a moron eats bacon you can count on them to foist the blame on "the right".

 

Probably like "they forced us to...we had no choice because of the evil boooosh..."

118 ace obviously doesn't care about the integrity of his blog and seems to want to drive away folks since I'm a fa fat, ugly, sweaty bitch and I'm allowed to post commnts.

119

CanadaDave, try it with spicy V-8.  Mmm.  If I still drank, I'd drink one.

 

I haven't been drinking much myself, I'm trying to save for the upcoming iPocalypse...maybe next weekend for labor day...

120 @121....that's not very nice...even trolls get sumptin ta say on this blog...

121 Also agree about Juan Williams. He only disagrees with the Admin about 5% of the time, & even then, it takes an awful lot to make him angry at Obama.

I think that's just the way it's going to be for most black folks. They invested so heavily on an emotional level in the man that there's no turning back, despite his myriad of foibles and failures.

122 There's a good book on groupthink called.....Groupthink, published  back in the 70s

The concept is about decision-making in groups, not the electoral process--where millions of people make an essentially individual decision ( which is influenced by others, but not directly ).

This sounds more like 'buyer's remorse' on a mass scale.

123

I feel for the people who dont drink/or quit. They will wake up in the morning, and thats the best that they will feel all day.

/Frank Sinatra quote?

too drunk/lazy! to look up

124

"That indoctrination will keep them in power a bit longer than otherwise, but the anger of the American people is just about at a tipping point.

The Abilene paradox will break when Americans once more wake up, and realize that WE have the power... not some mythical entity called the Government."

Sounds more like the Ceausescu paradox than the Abilene...

125 Bumper sticker I recently saw:

I'm not an alcoholic
Alcoholics go to meetings
I'm a drunk

126 We used to refer to the Abilene paradox when I was with IBM when you had some godawful mess and kept wondering how the hell it ever got spec'd and built.

127

118 Invading Iraq was a terrible decision; there were no weapons of mass destruction;  we lost 4000 service members and that's a tragedy;  horrible!

Compilation of his talking points, direct from the liberal/progressive playbook of "What to say on television to rebut conservative facts."

:sigh: I bet he hopes Obama puts that in his speech, too. Personally, I wish the Dems would just stay away from the entire issue, but they really can't help themselves.

128 I feel for the people who dont drink/or quit. They will wake up in the morning, and thats the best that they will feel all day.

Trust me, it beats the hell out of how ya feel when your liver finally decides it's had enough of your escapades.

129 Someone said that Obama would retreat into his world of past victories and further into his inner circle.  Sure enough, he is in NOLA today talking about Katrina.

No mention of shrimp, or shrimpers, or jobs.

130 128 Bumper sticker I recently saw:

I'm not an alcoholic
Alcoholics go to meetings
I'm a drunk

Posted by: DSkinner at August 29, 2010 07:05 PM (rnINQ)

Similar thought from Jeff Dunham's puppet Bubba Jay:

AA's for quitters

131 Democrats are starting to realize no individual really wanted to go this far--to Abilene, as it were--with change. I wonder if any of them will be relieved the ride is over. Oh, I disagree with this. That a majority of Dems are waking up to the extremes to which their party has gone, and are suffering a major case of buyer's remorse, is becoming apparent. But there is a core minority that is completely on board with the Obama Administration's (and the Dem-led Congress) far-Left agenda. They're cheering him on with undiminished fervor. I know several in that group myself, and they have absolutely no problem with anything Obama has done so far. The cheerleading is really quite nauseating, and if they weren't family, I'd have cut them off long ago. As it is, the Facebook battles have become epic. I am quite the libertarian outlaw with some members of my family....

132 Someone said that Obama would retreat into his world of past victories and further into his inner circle.

These are pretty ugly days for a textbook narcissist. 

133

But there are people within the group that think that Abilene isn't far enough. They want Juarez. There is some hope that many of these assholes thought they were going to Abilene and then, when they realized the train was heading through Abilene and speeding up, paniced. Maybe some of those people are brave enough to jump off before they cross the border, most won'tbe. The only solution is to gather the bunch that didn't board the train and those that  knew the train was heading to Juarez all along, and help them explode the bridge over the Rio Grande.

 

Metaphores are exhausting.

134 100
Siggy,

I have an obsession with Julie Banderas' teats.  Is there any hope of recovery from this fixation?

Posted by: Fish at August 29, 2010 06:41 PM (v1gw3)

No, I amz zorry, but this is NOT an obsession... zis is a perfectly normal manifestation of Heterosexuality...

However, I would prescribe that the only vay to get pazt zis condition, is to embrace... the objects ov your vixation...

But ov course, as your Doctor, I vill have to go virst...

135 In the meantime, there's a real-world paradox in plain sight, almost unmentioned by media or politicians, as Jan Brewer aims a kick right at Hitlery Clinton's balls:

http://yhoo.it/acHdHV

If we need an example of members of the Osama Obama regime choosing foreign terrorists and thugs over Americas, this is it. Brewer is standing up to the treasonous bastards; we owe it to her to do the same.

Very, very close to impeachment-worthy, as this would not have been done with the Traitor-in-Chief's complete approval.

136

Posted by: Siggy Freud! at August 29, 2010 07:12 PM (H+oXM)

Anyone else think that Siggy just had a really hot mom and couldn't personally cope with the fact?

137

135 Someone said that Obama would retreat into his world of past victories and further into his inner circle.

These are pretty ugly days for a textbook narcissist. 

 

Now can we do that 'Downfall' spoof?

138

132 Someone said that Obama would retreat into his world of past victories and further into his inner circle.  Sure enough, he is in NOLA today talking about Katrina.

No mention of shrimp, or shrimpers, or jobs.

Well, he doesn't have to think about the oil spill much anymore, since other people fixed that for him. Though I did hear his own presidential panel (ec-nazis) said there's no longer a need for the moratorium, but he needs it just-in-case.

Anyway, one of the things that still bothers me most about Katrina is that Mississippi & Alabama hardly rate any coverage, & some sections of their towns were flattened. But it's much more convenient to make it a story about New Orleans, with media coverage by the same people who did nothing but cry on TV the day after.

139 Reminder for those who signed up - the AoS fantasy football draft is tonight.

140 In the case of the Obama Administration it's really a breakdown in the art of negotiation. Normally the first idea put forward is a crazy one because you want to leave room for negotiating and perhaps get 50% of what you want. But Obama put no one in the room to negotiate from the opposite side so we ended up with all the crazy ideas. No one has any idea how to implement them effectively because no one ever expected them to get the okay. There is a reason it's called Progressive, you are supposed to progress, not just leap to the end. Leap and you are bound to fall because you never laid the groundwork to stand on.

141

Maybe, but as sure as a moron eats bacon you can count on them to foist the blame on "the right".

 

I thought foisting is what they did at Bawny Fwanks NYC parties.

142 The AP is apparently floating an article that asks why Illinois is so corrupt, as if it's a new idea.

143

Puleeze!

 

They'll just load up the car and go to Amarillo for ice cream.

144

Soap!

I hear you.  Just kinda joshin.. But, another great quote wont leave my mind right now;

Lets Roll!

Do You Sons of Bitches Want To Live Forever?

145 139

Posted by: Siggy Freud! at August 29, 2010 07:12 PM (H+oXM)

Anyone else think that Siggy just had a really hot mom and couldn't personally cope with the fact?

Posted by: buzzion at August 29, 2010 07:13 PM (oVQFe)

 

Just a slight edipal complex...

146 My favorite cascade effect was the Dean bubble in '04. 

That was a sight to behold-- Dean doing well, when all of a sudden, everyone looked around, panicked, and flocked to Kerry.

(Actually, I wanted Dean as the Dem nominee that year, because he was consistently more liberal than Kerry, who had flip-flopped into running as a moderate.  I had hoped that Bush defeating Dean would suppress much of the far-leftism in the Democratic Party, but alas, it was not to be.)

147
I have an obsession with Julie Banderas' teats.  Is there any hope of recovery from this fixation?

Try focusing on her legs and ass, works wonders. 

148 The camera pans out wide as the Tiger Shark in a body glove surfing outfit jumps Fonzie chained to the bottom of the ramp.

The day they gave rd ass-kissing teachers pet misogynistic woman slapper brewer the keys to the place is the day the shark jumped the entire place.

In Soviet Russia, shark jump you!

149 #26 CAC As a hobby, I am doing something like that. Being retired, with an evil sense of humor, and a computer, I have the ability to print up my own custom T-shirts. I started doing it back when the Obama-Joker meme came out. I design things that slam Obama badly, usually making him look like an egotistical, narcissistic fool, a criminal, or a traitor. It helps that he has a running head start in all 3 axis'. They are severely politically incorrect. When I first started wearing them around town, people were shocked. Now, everyone wants to see the latest one I have come up with. And they speak up against Obama, where they were silent before. I have only had one kinda-sorta hostile counter reaction, and that involved some Moonbat at Walmart yelling "Obama!" behind me and running away when I turned around. Even when I visit Pueblo, Colorado or Denver [two of the three hard-core Democrat strongholds in Colorado. I have not had reason to visit the Peoples' Republic of Boulder for over a two decades.] I get compliments [sometimes whispered] from strangers. This in the enemy's strongholds. This is shaping the battlefield. It is using Alinsky's Rules against them [especially "Rule 5: Ridicule is manÂ’s most potent weapon. ItÂ’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."]. It strips him of the veneer of legitimacy, and makes him and his regime fair game for other criticism. Conservatives are used to not fighting back in the war of ideas in the public square, because they are afraid of being criticized as racist, mean spirited, or some similar nonsense. Of course silence just means they get the same criticism but don't fight back. Any public display of resistance, encourages the spread of more. If resistance becomes part of the public norm, the elites lose power. Find ways to yank the enemy's chain in public. Stay within the bounds of the law, but put them on the defensive. If people laugh at them, it de-legitimatizes their oppression, and encourages more laughter. Until the point where people get tired of being pushed around by this set of incompetent, arrogant, clowns. THEN there will be a reckoning. Subotai Bahadur

150

I gave up:

Smoking...

Drinking...

Women..

 

 

 

 

It was the worst 15 minutes I have ever encountered.

151

The day they gave rd ass-kissing teachers pet misogynistic woman slapper brewer the keys to the place is the day the shark jumped the entire place.

Gotta admire the pent-up rage and outright hatred in that one.  Ace must be venting.

152

Only steers and queers come from Abilene!

And from that university in Austin......

153
woohoo Tim Tebow tonight!


^{for maybe 5 plays}

154
/takes out paddles

Clear!

/zap!

155
Anyone watchin The Pillars of the Earth and want to share a review?

156 Im still partial to the J-curve, as it ends in grapeshot and bayonets.

157

Conservatives are used to not fighting back in the war of ideas in the public square...

David Horowitz wrote a great book about fighting lefties.  About ten years ago, I think.  His point was conservatives aren't used to fighting dirty all the time like them.  He felt those kinds of tactics needed to be pointed out--since they're unfamiliar--and used.

158 kre5q is T Dub's old hash. A blast from the past...

159 Subotai Bahadur
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur

Studder much?

160 I think this is the Horowitz book I was thinking of, The Art Of Political War and Other Radical Pursuits.

161 155 And from that university in Austin......

Posted by: Any given Texas Aggie fan at August 29, 2010 07:36 PM (1O/uc)

Gig 'em!

 

162 Tim Blair repeatedly kneeing Jharles Chonson in the balls over the Glenn Beck rally numbers.

163 Re. Top Headlines: "Houston." Carry on.

164
What's this?

Peggy Noonan just wrote a column "Who is Obama?"

He is who we thought he was, you dumb old broad.

165

Find ways to yank the enemy's chain in public. Stay within the bounds of the law, but put them on the defensive. If people laugh at them, it de-legitimatizes their oppression, and encourages more laughter. Until the point where people get tired of being pushed around by this set of incompetent, arrogant, clowns

I like that attitude.

I seriously openly mock people when I see them getting in or out of a car with an Ogabe bumpersticker. Most of them don't even bother trying to put up a defense any more.

I have bumper stickers.... on magnets so my cars don't get keyed or worse when I'm not around....

The one that drives these fuckers crazy and gets them the most spittle-flecked is "Somewhere a Village in Kenya is Missing it's Idiot"...

...it makes them nuts on so many different levels...but the best part is knowing the ridicule is cutting deep...and that they are probably seeing it from more and more sources

166

166 Re. Top Headlines: "Houston." Carry on.

Yeah, I didn't know I was from 'Huston'. 

167
You know what anniversary Obama will never make a big to-do over?

The anniversary of Nadil Hassan's islam-inspired massacre at Ft Hood this November.

168

The narrative is just irritating and surreal today.

Glenn Beck's rally was hateful and Barack Obama is doing a great job.

Un fucking real.

169
The Left likes to milk Columbine for all its worth but strangely enough they never talk about Ft Hood to make their case for gun control...

_{because it's clearly evidence that we need crazy muslim control, not gun control.}

170

Apparently, the libs are now wishing they had a Palin of their own. I thought his name was Barack Obama.

/Link to The NYT

171 Good one, butt I am not sure there will be enough fabric after she is finished tasting ice cream in all 57 states.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws">One left to go!</a>

172

You know what anniversary Obama will never make a big to-do over?

The anniversary of Nadil Hassan's islam-inspired massacre at Ft Hood this November.

 

Obama will quietly and without public knowledge, award him the Silver Star for taking out so many of Obama's enemies.

173

Peggy Noonan just wrote a column "Who is Obama?"

Noonan is a clueless nobody.

Her claim to fame is a fucking charade.

 She is noted for the speech she wrote for Reagan after the Challenger disaster..the best lines of which she actually cribbed from a poem called High Flight.

She has never disabused anyone of the notion that she was the one who came up with those words

 

174

Did Dear Reader take credit for rebuilding New Orleans today??

Did he say he won't rest until te job was finished?

175 Kittehs.

176

Oh, & Haley Barbour just told-off the NRSC.

“When I was chairman of the RNC, as you mentioned, in the last decade, we never took sides in primaries,” Barbour said. “We did not endorse incumbents over challengers. Same way as I’m chairman of the Republican Governors Association today.”…

“We do not take sides in primaries, and here’s why: The Republicans in Alaska have a right and should pick their nominee,” Barbour said.

177

Did Dear Reader take credit for rebuilding New Orleans today??

Did he say he won't rest until te job was finished?

Posted by: beedubya at August 29, 2010 08:07 PM (AnTyA)

Yeah that and that he didn't watch Beck's rally.  Snipped from MSNBC:

For example, Obama said he did not watch any of Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally Saturday on the National Mall.

“ItÂ’s not surprising that somebody like a Mr. Beck is able to stir up a certain portion of the country. That's been true throughout our history,” he said. But “what IÂ’m focused on is making sure that the decisions weÂ’re making now are going to be be not good for the nightly news, not good even necessarily  for the next election, but are good for the next generation.”

178
What Barbour is trying to tell them is only a fool party would waste resources in forcing a particular candidate down the throats of their base.

179 News from the Bunker.

180

 But “what IÂ’m focused on is making sure that the decisions weÂ’re making now are going to be be not good for the nightly news, not good even necessarily  for the next election, but are good for the next generation.”

Have you ever met such a selfless narcissist?

181 145 The AP is apparently floating an article that asks why Illinois is so corrupt, as if it's a new idea.

Illinois is a really corrupt state.  Rick Santelli started the tea party movement from Chicago.  Coincidence?  We think not.

182 Why are we commenting on this blog? I don't want to comment here; I thought you all did.

183

181 “ItÂ’s not surprising that somebody like a Mr. Beck is able to stir up a certain portion of the country. That's been true throughout our history,” he said. But “what IÂ’m focused on is making sure that the decisions weÂ’re making now are going to be be not good for the nightly news, not good even necessarily  for the next election, but are good for the next generation.”

(1) Who exactly is he comparing Beck to in this statement? I'm curious, because it makes it sound as if Beck has created a mob. But for what end? I also take it that "a certain portion" = bitter clingers.

(2) If he really thinks Beck did that thinking he'd receive postive news coverage, than he's even more out-of-touch than I thought he was. I'm not a huge fan of Beck, but I think he's sincere about the things that truly matter.

Rest is all par for the course.

184 One of the really odd things that you can observe is that outside of the hardcore left, which is 20%, or less, of the populace, no one wants left wing politics.

The mushy middle that ends up voting for Democrats do so often thinking that they are getting the conservative platform.

The center left are mostly bribed and self deluded. Your average bureaucrat or teacher doesn't want thugs on their street or a $13 trillion debt. But they do want guaranteed cost of living adjustments, and besides the other guys would be just as bad right? It is very easy to justify your own livelihood...


 

185 The AP is apparently floating an article that asks why Illinois is so corrupt, as if it's a new idea.

Crime rate continues to drop while prisons fill up. Experts stumped

186 I didn't say they were his balls, Public Service Message, just the balls. But point taken.
;^)

187 161 kre5q is T Dub's old hash. A blast from the past...

Posted by: Zimriel, usin' Bing at August 29, 2010 07:50 PM (rtzHA)

I was going to ask if you had a spreadsheet of trolls and their hashes but then I saw that you had "Usin' Bing" in your name.  Always funny when someone no one has any clue who they are starts bitching about someone else.  Obviously rdbrewer must have bitch slapped that trolls ass good a few times.

188
I don't want to comment here; I thought you all did.

I thought there was going to be daily lesbian pr0n links.  Still waiting.

189

We told and told Peggy Noonan.  And we told her some more.  But did she listen to us?  Noooooooooooooooooo.

She's the last one to find out.

190

I thinkits much simpler than this. I used to think the left was ignorant, but I now can only conclude they are devious and that makes them evil.

They KNOW our people do not suport socialism, not even for 'free' medical care offered up by thieves. Nor for punitive confiscatory taxation aimed at 'the rich' who aren't really that  rich at all, especially small business owners working their damned asses off, and who we all STRIVE TO BE - self-sufficient, able to live the life we choose. Not a country where half of us don't even have skin in the game paying no federal taxes at all to make them dependant slaves to BIGOVERNMENT who knows all and solves all problems and fulfills all needs and fits you with those comfy chains from cradle to grave - if they even allow you to get to the cradle.

We don't want that. We never have and never will. Their mask has slipped. they got cocky thinking they had won already and they spiked the ball on the ten yard line. Fools. Time for us to change the game! Let's pick it up and run with it- run right over their asses.

191

"I feel for the people who dont drink/or quit. They will wake up in the morning, and thats the best that they will feel all day.

/Frank Sinatra quote?

too drunk/lazy! to look up"

Phil Harris

192 (1) Who exactly is he comparing Beck to in this statement? I'm curious, because it makes it sound as if Beck has created a mob. But for what end? I also take it that "a certain portion" = bitter clingers.

That part struck me as well.  I think 'certain portion' = racists.  Cuz, ya know...if you don't like what the mighty Barack is doing, you're  a racist.

193

what IÂ’m focused on is making sure that the decisions weÂ’re making now are going to be be not good for the nightly news, not good even necessarily  for the next election, but are good for the next generation.

And what's good for the next generation is that they pay for everything we are doing right now!

194

183 News from the Bunker.

Pretty good.

195

The narrative is just irritating and surreal today.

Glenn Beck's rally was hateful and Barack Obama is doing a great job.

Un fucking real.

And WHITE, Gator.  The rally was white.  You forgot white.  So, in case you didn't know, it was white.  Just wanted to make sure you knew it was white.  Because it was white.  Okay, now that we're clear it was white.

196 The center left are mostly bribed and self deluded. Your average bureaucrat or teacher doesn't want thugs on their street or a $13 trillion debt. But they do want guaranteed cost of living adjustments, and besides the other guys would be just as bad right? It is very easy to justify your own livelihood...

Well, kinda.  Speaking from the teachers' point of view, their delusion is not that the Republicans would be "just as bad", but that the Republicans want to "destroy public education".  A great many of the public school teachers truly believe that if Republicans were in charge, they would be fired.

197 195 "I feel for the people who dont drink/or quit. They will wake up in the morning, and thats the best that they will feel all day...

Phil Harris

The bandleader/Jack Benny regular/Disney actor, or the man from Deadliest Catch?

198 Chemjeff:
Can I request comments from you on the dry water link on the sidebar for the ONT? Sounds cool but what do I know...

199 Posted by: Tami at August 29, 2010 08:09 PM

In plain English, the Traitor-in-Chief did what he always does: babble in generalities, evade responsibility that is now his since his election, blame others, and make vague assumptions and specious accusations.

One word: bullshit. The TV outlets could save themselves a lot of effort and place that word below his image on the screen.

200 I ask for the ONT only if we're still trying to stay on topic here.

201 Heh, Abilene paradox and Noonan-types.

202 jcjimi okay

203 Posted by: chemjeff at August 29, 2010 08:28 PM

sweet

204 Why are we commenting on this blog? I don't want to comment here; I thought you all did.

Posted by: nine coconuts at August 29, 2010 08:14 PM

Why are we yammering for Obama? 

205 I'm curious, because it makes it sound as if Beck has created a mob. But for what end?

Just trying to portray the Beck'ites as a bunch of nihilistic Jacobin's who would mindlessly burn the country down.

206

And WHITE, Gator.  The rally was white.  You forgot white.  So, in case you didn't know, it was white.  Just wanted to make sure you knew it was white.  Because it was white.  Okay, now that we're clear it was white.

And the true con man is Sharpton. Just the fact that anyone in the media takes him seriously shows how low their expectations are for black people. I'm sure his 'rally' was culturally and racially diverse.

Only crackers can be racist is a narrative that doesn't hold water except, of course, in rich liberal circles.

207 A great many of the public school teachers truly believe that if Republicans were in charge, they would be fired.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 29, 2010 08:23 PM (F5IRX)

The way I hear them tell it is that conservatives would give the money spent on public school to churches, "Big Business", or Israel, and clearly the unions members/bureaucrats are more worthy then some redneck...

As for destroying public education, if we rebuilt the system from scratch can anyone seriously argue that it would probably be for the better? Our official literacy rate is below Tonga...

208 ""President Zima is awesome. ""


Oh thats goood.

209 If the secret police and the censors are doing their job, 99% of the populace can hate the regime and be ready to revolt against it - but no revolt will occur because no one realizes that everyone else feels the same way.

Ah, that's a bunch of crap. Everyone knows they hate the regime and they know everyone else does, except for those in power. They just are kept powerless and afraid, kept without the ability to trust each other enough and gather enough to act. Leaders are taken away and killed, and the weapons of the people are destroyed one by one such as education, faith, weapons, and a free press.

210

Why are we yammering for Obama? 

Posted by: Brooks, Noonan, Buckley etc. at August 29, 2010 08:29 PM (LutGd)

Because Obama makes our ginas tingle?

211 126

I feel for the people who dont drink/or quit. They will wake up in the morning, and thats the best that they will feel all day.

/Frank Sinatra quote?

too drunk/lazy! to look up

Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy at August 29, 2010 07:03 PM (i53Fv)

That was Dean Martin.

I never heard the "do you want to live forever" linked to "Lets Roll!" I do remember Red Sonya saying it in Conan the Barbarian, or destroyer or something.

212 Leaders are taken away and killed, and the weapons of the people are destroyed one by one such as education, faith, weapons, and a free press.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 29, 2010 08:34 PM (61b7k)

"A man with a horse and a gun can do anything to a man without."

I guess it is a coincidence the left favors "gun control" and opposes the internal combustion engine...

213 These clothes are invisible to anyone who is stupid or racist. If you cannot see how fine these clothes are, it only proves that you're stupid or racist.

214 I like "President Zima" because of the story behind it but I just can't get past the picture I immediately had of Toonces driving the car off a cliff when a Moronette called him "President Toonces" in some thread many moon ago.

215 The Jack Benny Phil Harris.

216 It's all about the OPTICS!

217

  A great many of the public school teachers truly believe that if Republicans were in charge, they would be fired.

 

If this republican was in charge, they would be.

 

218 "Do you want to live forever?"is Valeria in Conan.

219 Look at all these people who cannot see how beautiful these clothes are! Who knew there were so many idiots and racists in this country!

220

Only crackers can be racist is a narrative that doesn't hold water except, of course, in rich liberal circles.

Posted by: gator at August 29, 2010 08:30 PM (aOKEC)

Let me tell you teabaggers, I've talked with my gardener, my maid, and my nanny, and not a one of them is racist. And they all agreed they hated your kind just as much as I did right before I gave them a big, non-racist tip.

221 I bought green prickly pears today. I have had the red ones before, but this is first time i've seen green so i bought some. Now i am picking splinters out of my hands with a magnifying glass -- they had better be worth it.

222

209 Just trying to portray the Beck'ites as a bunch of nihilistic Jacobin's who would mindlessly burn the country down.

Which is funny, because he acts like Louis XVI & Michelle like Marie Antoinette.

223 the picture I immediately had of Toonces driving the car off a cliff

That's not just a mental image, its reality...and the whole country is locked in the trunk wrapped in duct tape.

224 Seen the Drudge quote/headline? Anyone else notice that the only prominent person who ever brings up Obama's birth certificate is Obama?

225

219 The Jack Benny Phil Harris.

"Hiya, Jackson!"

Just making sure, because it was close on that one. Though that ^ Phil Harris wasn't actually as rowdy as the character he portrayed. Still...

226

Which is funny, because he acts like Louis XVI & Michelle like Marie Antoinette.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 29, 2010 08:39 PM (Yq+qN)

I never took back, to back, to back, to back, to back vacations thank you very much.

227 That's not just a mental image, its reality...and the whole country is locked in the trunk wrapped in duct tape.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 29, 2010 08:39 PM

Exactly. This is why it works. My lib relatives even laugh when I say it. It tends to go over better than "Socialist", "Marxist" or "Jug-Eared Fuck".

Pansies.

228 The Emperor cannot be bothered to prove how beautiful his clothes are to those we know to be racist idiots! He certainly can't go around with his beautiful clothes pasted to his forehead. Nothing would ever convince those people who cannot already see how beautiful the Emperor's new clothes are.

229

 I bought green prickly pears today. I have had the red ones before, but this is first time i've seen green so i bought some.

 

Green prickly pears grow wild here in OK.  There's an old saying my uncle told me once:  Don't be taking a crap in a field of prickly pears. 

230 Good one, butt I am not sure there will be enough fabric after she is finished tasting ice cream in all 57 states.


Just one left to go!

231 I CAN'T SPEND ALL OF MY TIME WITH MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE PLASTERED ON MY FOREHEAD'

So did he not have time to do anything about the oil spill, the national debt, or the economic depression because he stares at his birth certificate all day?

I knew about the mirrors, but by God man, get a grip.

232 I'm a bridge builder.

233 I CAN'T SPEND ALL OF MY TIME WITH MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE PLASTERED ON MY FOREHEAD'

He could plaster both his 'auto'biographies on Michelle's ass.

234

He could plaster both his 'auto'biographies on Michelle's ass.

...but what would he put on the rest of it?

235

He could plaster both his 'auto'biographies on Michelle's ass.

Dammit gator, just glad you came back.

236 With the impending apocalypse..I'm starting to think those miners down in Chile might be onto a good idea

237 A great many of the public school teachers truly believe that if Republicans were in charge, they would be fired.

And most of those probably should be, and replaced with people who can teach subject matter.  But mostly I want to fire administrators and "social justice" non-teaching staff.

238

Somehow or another, this thread has lost it's tone.

239

More from the gushing Obama article:

“The facts are the facts. We went through some of this during the campaign — there is a mechanism, a network of misinformation that in a new media era can get churned out there constantly,” said a visibly annoyed Obama, referring to “birthers,” who have waged a guerrilla campaign questioning either the existence or the validity of his Hawaiian birth certificate.

“I will always put my money on the American people, and I’m not going to be worried too much about what rumors are floating around there.”

A stunning 18 percent of Americans identify Obama as Muslim, according to a Pew poll released earlier this month. Only a third identified Obama, who speaks passionately about his faith in his autobiography, as Christian.

240
One reason why I hate Hannity is that he legitimizes ppl like Rangel and Sharpton.

Both should've been given the hook decades ago.

241 There's an old saying my uncle told me once: Don't be taking a crap in a field of prickly pears. My uncle told me: Don't pick a prickly pear with the paw, when you pick that pear try and use a claw. No wait, that was Baloo.

242

No hurry...s'okay...

...jes send cerveza and prOn

243 Put me down for "President Zima" too.  I like it.

244

Another gem:

The president, a harsh critic of the Bush administration’s sluggish response to Katrina, bristled when asked if the BP Gulf oil spill was his administration’s Katrina – because of a failure to act quickly enough.

“It’s just not accurate,” he told Williams. “The only thing in common with the Katrina response was [oil spill incident commander] Thad Allen… We had immediately [deployed] thousands of vessels, tens of thousands of people.”

The spill has wreaked less havoc on the Gulf Coast “because of the sturdiness and steadiness” of his administration’s response, Obama added.

Sturdiness & steadiness, really? Plus some mumbling about boats? Some of those people out there weren't even affiliated with the govt. He doesn't really have an answer as to what he did.

245 Dammit gator, just glad you came back.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 29, 2010 08:48 PM

Agreed.

I believe I've stolen more from gator - pre and post absence - than any other poster here.

You've helped me piss off all the right people, gator.

246
Somehow or another, this thread has lost it's tone.

There's football and the Emmys on, how can we be expected to even marginally stay on topic?

247 Miss'80sBaby: Phil Harris said it as a wise crack directed at Pat Boone, who was the clean cut kid of the day.

248 And most of those probably should be, and replaced with people who can teach subject matter. But mostly I want to fire administrators and "social justice" non-teaching staff. I say fire them all and start over. Every last one of them.

249 That's not just a mental image, its reality...and the whole country is locked in the trunk wrapped in duct tape.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 29, 2010 08:39 PM

Until the tide started to turn, I felt like I was strapped into a car wreck appreciation chair.

250 As for destroying public education, if we rebuilt the system from scratch can anyone seriously argue that it would probably be for the better? Our official literacy rate is below Tonga...

Not from their point of view.  Do you really want to be told that you work very hard in an industry that produces a woefully inferior product?

251

Or this RE the Ground Zero Mosque:

“I didn’t walk it back it all,” he said. “I was very specific with my team… The core value and principle that every American is treated the same doesn’t change… At [a White House Ramadan celebration], I had Muslim Americans who had been in uniform fighting in Iraq… How can you say to them that their religious faith is less worthy of respect?... That’s something that I feel very strongly about.”

I think he needs to re-read the Declaration of Independence & stop confusing it with the Bill of Rights.

252 222 "Do you want to live forever?"is Valeria in Conan.

You are correct. I haven't seen the other quote attributed to Phil Harris though. Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra and even George Burns, but not Phil Harris. It's a good one though, so I'm sure a lot of people have used it. I guess I wouldn't have a clue who was first.

253

Dammit gator, just glad you came back.
You've helped me piss off all the right people, gator.

You guys have made me laugh more than you can imagine. This place is my Prozac™.  Glad you all are out there....thought I was the only normal crazy one.

We're still fucked with a Garden Weasel™.

254 H Barbour is my dark horse for 2012. Do not underestimate him, he could easily pull a Cheney and be VP - and is capable of running a good campaign for the top slot.

255 "I CAN'T SPEND ALL OF MY TIME WITH MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE PLASTERED ON MY FOREHEAD"

I thought this was a pretty damned interesting thing for President Clusterfuck to say, because I don't know that many people who have their religion listed on their birth certificates.  And indeed the question this was in response to wasn't about his birth certificate, but concerned the perception that he is Muslim.

But for some reason, Obama interpreted a question about his religion as having something to do with the birth certificate he won't show anybody.

Interesting, that.

256 @183 good one

257 Not from their point of view. Do you really want to be told that you work very hard in an industry that produces a woefully inferior product? 1/ How can they not realize this already? 2/ a lot, maybe most, of the good people could not put up with the situation and have left after seeing how strawberry punch pink their coworkers are 3/ They have a choice - either go deeper into denial, or become part of the solution. This can be a very positive experience for all but the most incompetent or ideological teachers. 4/ the only way to change the culture of an organization is violent change - fire them all and start over. the good ones will get rehired but on new terms.

258
Not from their point of view.  Do you really want to be told that you work very hard in an industry that produces a woefully inferior product?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 29, 2010 08:55 PM (F5IRX)

Actually, since I work in the private sector...yes. We spend considerable effort to find out how our product compares to the competitors, and how we can best improve.

If we just stuck our heads in the sand and said we work hard, that's enough, we'd be out of business in a year.

259 rdbrewer@160 and 163:

Horowitz has got a little booklet out now called "The Art of Political War for Tea Parties"--published in response to this huge new massive influx of people who were never politically active before.

You can get it at his website, www.frontpagemag.com, click on "Bookstore."

260

251 Miss'80sBaby: Phil Harris said it as a wise crack directed at Pat Boone, who was the clean cut kid of the day.

Makes sense.

252 I say fire them all and start over. Every last one of them.

You're going to replace them with who/what group, exactly? That's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Better to weed-out the bad ones & reform the bureaucratic structure than dump all of them & replace them with Heaven-knows-who. 

261 . I wonder if any of them will be relieved the ride is over.

Yeah, I see their relief spewed all over Huff Poo, MSNBC, Kos, etc. every day.  Walking up to the fact that your entire world view is a fucking joke does not come easy.

262 Michelle Obama: Too Big to Nail

263

Shrimp, Traffic Control, Golf;

was, not was...

264

the Emmys on, how can we be expected to even marginally stay on topic?

Posted by: Dang Straights at August 29, 2010 08:53 PM (zCc4B)

Who's spending their time watching the small screen version of the hollywood masturbatory self congratulation circle jerk?

265 You're going to replace them with who/what group, exactly? That's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Better to weed-out the bad ones & reform the bureaucratic structure than dump all of them & replace them with Heaven-knows-who. Rehire the good ones. If you try the reform approach like in DC you will spend an extra 10 years fighting the culture that they used to do it that way, and the new way is no good. It is very hard to change the culture of an organization - often easier to build one up than to change an existing one. I'm not saying every school in every district, but the bottom 10% is a good start. Fire everyone, run interviews. I have done it in industry and it is the only way to fix a really screwed up organization quickly.

266 damn sock

267 If we just stuck our heads in the sand and said we work hard, that's enough, we'd be out of business in a year.

Because your company is subject to competition.  Public school teachers?  Not so much.

These are the same people who believe pay should be commensurate with credentials and effort, and go apeshit nuts over the idea of merit pay.

268
Just because no whities attended the Reverend Al Sharpton rally just proves whites are racist who refuse to be seen at a black gatherings.  It has nothing do with the blunts, MD 20/20 or booty shakes.  It's all about the plantation owners refusing to grant their workers a modicum of recognition and congeniality in the public square.

269
Who's spending their time watching

I'm going back and forth between Donkeys/Stillers and Rocky.  Was just sayin'.

270 GhostWhoWalks:Yes, a lot of those jokes we recycled.  I saw where some of Red Foxx's stuff was old WC Fields material from before WWI.

271 Look for Donkeys to start becoming more fiscally conservative and start to desert the unions somewhat. Cuomo is already doing this - or trying to do this. Jerry Brown is trying to demagog the Bell city salaries. Whenever a large 3rd party emerges in the USA, its issues are stolen by one or both parties.

272 Also, every regime has some level of support. Even 20% could be enough to make everyone very careful to self-censor.

273

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274 MD20/20 - that takes me back.

275 nine coconuts @ 261: Sure there are those teachers who are just completely jaded & cynical & don't give a shit anymore, but for a lot of them, they really do think they are doing a swell job, and that it's everybody else's fault that the kids aren't learning.  It's the administration's fault, or the parents' fault, or the state's fault (not enough money, dontcha know).   There are a few honest self-critical ones, but even then, they aren't going to denounce their entire profession - otherwise, they would just quit.

You have to realize that a lot of teachers have bought into the mythologized notion of the teacher as the Preserver of the Republic and the Guardian of Knowledge - they are the ones that stand between anarchy and an educated voting public, or so the myth goes.  So because they place themselves on this vaunted pedestal, when they see Republicans attacking public education, they believe that Republicans are actually trying to keep kids dumb.  Why else would those dastardly Republicans attack the "Guardians of Knowledge"?

276
Just as I cried in the environmental commercials in the '70's, I also cried when refused admittance to the Al Sharpton rally in Washington.  It's a shameful time in America, even for a Native American.

277

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278

269 ....It is very hard to change the culture of an organization - often easier to build one up than to change an existing one.

Are you trying to change the foundation of public schools, or the faculty? To me, you can't change one without the other. I would start by changing what needs to be taught & why, b/c many of the people being trained to teach now are being taught to do it in accordance with public school methods. In other words, they want you to conform to public school values & being a social advocate. Perhaps they'd attract a different sort of person if they weren't so interested in hiring activists.

_{/Disclosure: Middle of getting teaching certificates, & I've seen some of this BS...& in Texas of all places.}

279 navycopjoe, here's your TV for ya.  And buy it yourself, you cheap bastid.

280 I'm sorry, that video sucked balls. It didn't explain anything about the paradox, or give tangible examples of it. A complete waste of time.

281

These are the same people who believe pay should be commensurate with credentials and effort, and go apeshit nuts over the idea of merit pay.

I could be the best teacher in the world, but I still wouldn't want my pay based on what a 15-year-old does on a test.

282

279  chemjeff, all i remember about teachers is they had the ultimate aim with thrown erasers and wicked fast with rulers and yardsticks.  pity the fool who talked in class and was caught...

guess what kind of schools i went to

283 I could be the best teacher in the world, but I still wouldn't want my pay based on what a 15-year-old does on a test.

That's not how any sane system of merit pay is structured.

284 286 They were quick with the demerits and detentions when I went.Guess they had to give up on the hitting.Though I had a teacher in HS who farted on kids faces sometimes......

285

283  oh shit, i have to go to the doctor

i have an erection that will last way longer than 4 hours

286 a lot of teachers have bought into the mythologized notion of the teacher as the Preserver of the Republic and the Guardian of Knowledge - they are the ones that stand between anarchy and an educated voting public

That's kinda funny.  After four years of brainwashing--the barrier to entry into the profession, can't teach without a social justice/Marxim degree--they're tools designed to keep the "voting public" as uneducated and unthinking as possible.

287 280
Just as I cried in the environmental commercials in the '70's, I also cried when refused admittance to the Al Sharpton rally in Washington.  It's a shameful time in America, even for a Native American.

Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at August 29, 2010 09:17 PM (v1gw3)

Yep, they're represented by an Italian.

288 The whole testing system (as it is now) is ridiculous. Many of those teachers spend more time teaching the test than the actual material in the textbooks, because it's all about how well John & Jane can perform on a test. Those kids just memorize the answers & later flunk the tests on class material.

289 Make sure you guys check out Tio Chano in the headlines column.  He's funnier than any SNL character I've seen in 15-20 years.

290 navycopjoe @ 286 sounds like you didn't earn any good behavior awards

291

288  jesus, farted?

i may have gone to catholic schools, but they were in chicago

ifa teacher played that game, there would have been shots involved

292 Pete, it was just a promo for the version you buy.  It only touched on what it's all about.

293

294  not really, i had to live up to my sweet nice older sisters reputation

needless to say i have a phobia of nuns to this day

294

Yep, they're represented by an Italian.

Posted by: buzzion at August 29, 2010 09:23 PM (oVQFe)

Few are aware of that fact.  Fact's are a pesky thing for environmental wackos or liberals.  Whoops, sorry for the redundancy. 

295

That's not how any sane system of merit pay is structured.

Whatever the system, you know the unions will have their say, and it will work in almost every teacher's favor. The worst teachers still keep their jobs. We're going to need so many new teachers when the Baby Boomers retire....they won't fire anyone.

 

296 If there was an episode of Whale Wars where the Seasheperds were sunk and the crews massacred in the water it would be the highest rated tv show in history!God,I hate those hippies.

297 Education reform? Start with making education voluntary. Also, make it private, only private. The market will fix it. The idea that children should be educated by the government is the root of the problem.

298

guess what kind of schools i went to

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 29, 2010 09:21 PM (gg4j2)

Sounds like the arms and aim of a few Dominican nuns I knew.

299 gator, generally the teacher's unions oppose merit pay, partly for the reasons you outline, partly of this idea that compensation should be based on credentials & effort - so that if two teachers have the same degree & have the same number of time served, they should both get the same pay, even if one is a way better teacher than the other - and I've also seen it based on some pretty strong paranoia from the hard-core teacher union types that "merit pay" is just code words for "playing favorites".

300
Just as I cried in the environmental commercials in the '70's, I also cried when refused admittance to the Al Sharpton rally in Washington.  It's a shameful time in America, even for a Native American.

Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at August 29, 2010 09:17 PM (v1gw3)

Yep, they're represented by an Italian.

Posted by: buzzion at August 29, 2010 09:23 PM (oVQFe)

Yer talkin' out yer asshole ya dumbshit.

301

Down the page at Drudge...

SOURCES: While president was in Martha's Vineyard, workers at White House have been busy installing new carpets, drapes, painting, etc. in Oval Office... Developing...

They're kidding...right?

302 286 279 ...all i remember about teachers is they had the ultimate aim with thrown erasers and wicked fast with rulers and yardsticks.  pity the fool who talked in class and was caught...

The person who was quickest with the eraser in my private school was an incredibly small woman, & you never would've guessed she had such an arm. She wasn't afraid of throwing erasers at her kids, either.

Though I still thought the worst punishment was copying from the dictionary. Never had to do that or any of the others, but it looked painstakingly tedious. 

303
When I was in school in the dark ages, the most punishable offense was chewing gum, and it was a Capital Crime! 

Ass, paddle, pain, tears?

304 306 Sometimes they made us copy sections of a text book.Or just write the same sentence a buch of times al Bart Simpson.

305

310 306 Sometimes they made us copy sections of a text book.Or just write the same sentence a buch of times al Bart Simpson.

They held 90min detentions in which they'd give the kids a dictionary & make them start with "A". Anyone who was idle for several minutes had to do more. Fun times.

_{/Though I had the pleasure of merely watching.}

306 At the private school (non-religious) I went to, yeah I had to copy sentences.  Good times, good times.

307 266 Michelle Obama: Too Big to Nail

That truly rated an out-loud guffaw. I am stealing this.

308

I remember when one of the jr boys was sent to be paddled, & the principal broke the paddle on him. It was technically meant for younger kids, so it didn't, um, hold-up well.

309 I shot a man in Abilene, just to see him die.

310
243

More from the gushing Obama article:

“The facts are the facts. We went through some of this during the campaign — there is a mechanism, a network of misinformation that in a new media era can get churned out there constantly,” said a visibly annoyed Obama, referring to “birthers,” who have waged a guerrilla campaign questioning either the existence or the validity of his Hawaiian birth certificate.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 29, 2010 08:50 PM (Yq+qN)


For what it is worth (not much), despite its relation to a state name, Hawaiian is an ethnic group, and I am reasonably sure that Obama is not Hawaiian.

His followers may believe otherwise, but they also believe in unicorns and pixie-dust. (not to say that it was not born in Hawaii).

311

I hear you, chemjeff...believe me, we are on the same page.

I just don't think it will change without blowing it up and starting over.

 

312 316 243 I would like the author to provide examples of wag[ing] a guerrilla campaign RE Obama's birth certificate. Ambushing & sabotage, really? 

313

I ignored Beck's rally. 

There were only several hundred thousand people there.  I thought you might like to know that I felt it was insigificant.  Not nearly as important as me and what I have to say.

314

Oh bejeez.

 

George Clooney has been awarded the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award at the Emmys. I can't imagine the level of smug this will create.

315

What was funny about the Obama article was when he was asked the the people that don't believe he was a christian.

Obama answered:" Look I can't go around with my birth certificate plastered on my head."

Maybe in Kenya birth certificates tell what religion you are, they don't here though.

316

George Clooney has been awarded the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award at the Emmys. I can't imagine the level of smug this will create.

Posted by: jmflynny at August 29, 2010 10:03 PM

Someone's getting an invite to his pad at Lake Como!

317 I gotta tell ya, I'd kick this Clooney fella right in the ass.

318 Surfer Doc,

No kiddin? I would have guessed that anything Redd Foxx used would have been too blue for WC Fields, but I guess every generation thinks they invented the dirty stuff.

319 This is good stuff. I bring it up when ever we get stuck in group-think at work.

320 What's the difference between the "Abilene Paradox" and the story of the Emperor's new clothes? I wouldn't hold my breath for a chorus of mea culpa from rank and file liberals. Mort Zuckerman runs a business, so by definition he does not fit the standard profile of a Democrat. I believe that there is a certain segment of any population that is susceptable to utopian fantasies. In many respects they are like children who don't want to grow up and face their own mortality, and that life inherently has risks and tragedies. Libs will ditch Obama but will not abandon their core beliefs, and they will continue to look for the next shiney thing.

321
318 316 243 I would like the author to provide examples of wag[ing] a guerrilla campaign RE Obama's birth certificate. Ambushing & sabotage, really? 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 29, 2010 10:02 PM (Yq+qN)

Ahh, you mean like how Obama himself keeps bringing it up?

Classic guerrilla/terrorist tactic - bomb a grade school in your own turf and blame the oppressive government of attacking the helpless peasants... gets lots of sympathy.

When 'the most powerful man in the world' keeps doing it and blaming the peasants, sooner or later, the peasants will figure out that it really is just the POTUS doing it to the peasants and blaming the peasants.

322 If you want to take Abilene, then take Abilene!

323 The Guns of Abilene

324 272
Just because no whities attended the Reverend Al Sharpton rally just proves whites are racist who refuse to be seen at a black gatherings.  It has nothing do with the blunts, MD 20/20 or booty shakes.  It's all about the plantation owners refusing to grant their workers a modicum of recognition and congeniality in the public square.

Posted by: Dr. Mark Lamont Hill at August 29, 2010 09:10 PM (v1gw3)

It's the smell.

325 129 We used to refer to the Abilene paradox when I was with IBM when you had some godawful mess and kept wondering how the hell it ever got spec'd and built.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 29, 2010 07:06 PM (QzBj

One of my buds works for an outfit that does build-design.

326 That's a great video. I hope the longer version does more than encourage people to speak out their convictions, I hope it also addresses the possible consequences. When someone is a bully in the playground, people hate the bully. When one among them stands up against the bully, they will often hate that person more than the bully who was tormenting them just a moment before. When you take a stand in a crowd, the crowd will tend to turn against you, even if they agree inside. Your courage has exposed their cowardice, and may have increased the bully's wrath. It's not pretty, but you still don't have a choice: Do the right thing. Speak the truth (as Glenn Beck said). Dennis Prager wrote about this dynamic recently, in his column entitled The Left Hates Conservatives: http://www.dennisprager.com/columns.aspx Best regards, Peter Warner.

327 I studied with Dr Harvey when he first developed his theory - he is a real card - it applies to everything - I have a bunch of tapes of him speaking as he was developing it - fun stuff

328 The best way to get started in network marketing is by making yourself accessible to a large amount of people. Believe it or not, social networking sites such as Myspace have become quite popular for individuals and businesses alike.

329

I credit the internet.  Every time someone rants about the evils of the internet (in a Christian community this happens a lot), I comment on how well word about the goings-on of the present administration, etc has gotten around with the internet, how well we would have been kept in the dark without it and how that's why the liberals would all like for the internet to be under govenment control.

I think that you are not too far wrong katya.  And thank you for being the designated driver for this group of morons.

(Fat lotta good that will do ya!)

There is a little bit of television history that kind of fascinated me maybe 5 or 6 years ago.

It was a game-show, called What's My Line that ran during the 50's and 60's.  Very glamorous the panelists were, even though some of them only had one or two strings of pearls or brooches to recycle.

Still and all, I imagine that these folk were probably the height of Manhattan sophistication, being beamed into houses across the land.

What strikes me, what struck me, when I kept obsessively watching cable reruns of this show was how cosy-comfy nascent TV was, with the publishing industry.

Too many of us like to imagine that the country always has been and always will be "center right". 

I'm not sure that that was true, in the 50's and early 60's.

The outlook, the assumptions, the ease of those assumptions and certain reification at every corner, by those glamorous, terribly sophisticated, regulars on the panel who deigned to be on TV was wholly liberal!

Bill Buckley certainly did set himself a task, back in the day.

I missed most of what he did, either by not being born yet or mostly concentrating on hunting down the cheating ice-cream truck driver on my bike when B.B. was at his fiercest in the 80's (priorities dude, it's one thing to screw me out of a Rocket Pop, another thing entirely to fuck over my little bro for $1.25 and give him nothing.  I will find out where you live! Aaand later, get my ass kicked, by my mom, for biking 17 miles out of the  neighborhood and setting down on a house with a cheaty Ice Cream Truck driver. Anyone remember payphones?)

Anyway, back from the early 80's....

Modern conservatism is still, quite a new thing, I think, in this culture.

I think that B.B. would be amazed and proud at what he hath wrought but I don't think that it is quite the wave that Ace wishes it to be.

330 So, there!

331 If you're gonna bump this, at least add some more to the post.

332
Cereally?

We beat the shit out of this horse yesterday.

333 it's like deja vu all over again

334 Didn't really enjoy this yesterday, really fucking hate it today.

335 And this was "bumped" why?

A semi-interesting Sunday tidbit doth not a strong Monday post make....

336 I thought this crowd was big into "behavioral economics"?

337 352 I thought this crowd was big into "behavioral economics"?



Only if it pertains to what is the best free online porn site.

338 Dude, you don't get to bump non-timesensitive posts.

339 The only thing "new" I see is the cat shit filter, so why the bump?

340 Does a "bump" trump a "double post"?  Or is this somehow lesser?

341

I'm guessing that rdbrewer maybe wanted to edit the post some and that the software auto-bumped it. Well, it's more of a hope than a guess.

342
357 Was there some update that made this bump-worthy?

Posted by: toby928 at August 30, 2010 12:54 PM (S5YRY)

It's leftovers for lunch.

343 /sock

344 The Abilene Paradox sounds to me like an elaborate way to absolve BO from responsibility for the direction his administration has taken this country.

345 You bump nazis.

346 It got linked by Ed Driscoll and a few others.  I assume that's why. 

347 I can't spend all of my time with the Abilene Paradox plastered to my forehead

348
Why the hell was this bumped?

349 My question is...the El Paso Paradox, spent the weekend there..why is it just a piece of shit city in an otherwise wonderful state?

350 can't i just watch the abilene paradox?!

351 does this have something to do with miller and cornyn?

352 Watching MSDNC's favorite loon, Dr. Dean on Morning Joe this morning (just to help the caffeine kick in), I got a good laugh from Uncle Howie, claiming no way will the Republicans take back the House in November.

Keep drinking the libtard Koolaid.  Please.

353

rdbrewer: Bumping a post messes up the order of other comments here. I'm not saying it should never be done, but if it is THAT important to you, then it should be done in agreement with the other commenters. I'd thought that was pretty basic etiquette here.

I'm a little irritated here because I defended you against a troll here, spending some time doing research - and then you wake up this morning and decide to act selfish.

354 The Clean Dick Paradox:

Assuming that you showered and put on clean underwear and pants this morning, your dick is the cleanest part of your body. Why then, does it make sense to wash your hands AFTER you've touched it? It's been cleaned and wrapped in two layers of clean cloth. Shouldn't you wash your hands BEFORE you touch your dick?

"But your dick is dirty!" you say. Yes, but only because you put your filthy hands on it.

355 College-educated voters in the suburbs want to be able to feel morally and culturally superior to others by claiming to be liberals and wanting to help poor people, etc. Turns out they don't particularly like liberal economic policy when it affects them. Suburbanites are coming back to the Republican Party after learning the hard way that voting for the liberal candidate, however "good" it makes them feel, has negative real-world consequences. The Clinton era was a mirage.

356

You've read the 'Odessa file'. You've been schocked by   'the Quiller Memorandum'. You've been blinded by 'the London fog'.

 

Prepare to be perplexed by.......  'The Abilene Paradox'. Now playing in poorly made You-tube videos everywhere.

357 If someelse bumped it, then I take back my comment (I'd read 362, not 363). I'd be interested to know who bumped it though.

358 Contrary to Harvey's modern day embellishment, it's a little known fact that this phenomena originally originated when Mother Thomson regifted Grandma's Christmas fruitcake.

359 366 My question is...the El Paso Paradox, spent the weekend there..why is it just a piece of shit city in an otherwise wonderful state?

Posted by: beerologist at August 30, 2010 01:02 PM (r2UKM)

--Dude, El Paso is like Xanadu compared to Juarez.

360 My question is...the El Paso Paradox, spent the weekend there..why is it just a piece of shit city in an otherwise wonderful state?

It's on the liberal ley line betweeen Austin and Los Angeles. Just about where the mental beam becomes fully incoherent and before it attenuates to a safe level.

361 Prepare for a monster preference cascade in North Korea at any moment.

362 Isn't Abilene that butt grease fisters use?? That's quite fitting considering what Osama bin Bama's been doing to America.

363

rdbrewer: Bumping a post messes up the order of other comments here. I'm not saying it should never be done, but if it is THAT important to you, then it should be done in agreement with the other commenters. I'd thought that was pretty basic etiquette here.

Zimriel, I don't have the authority or power to bump anything here.

364 OK Now that you have bumped it I have to speak.
Abilene Paradox does not apply to this situation.

Abilene Paradox, is groupthink, in which a group free of coercion, decides to do what no individual member in the group wants. Inexplicably making a decision which makes them all unhappy.

Their are members of the "group" known as Congressional Democrats, which are 100% in line with O, Granny Rictus, and Dingy. Notably, Rictus, and Dingy themselves, along with a few other crazies like Alan Grayson. The fact that the majority of the group may have not wanted this and followed a radical, vocal minority lead is not special nor indicative of Abilene Paradox. In fact it is pretty much representative of about 90% of groupthink occurrences. So much so that when you say groupthink, that is usually the model you think of, a small few vocal people leading the group and the rest being a good herd and following; though doing so might not be in their best interest.

365 rdbrewer, thanks for clearing that up. I'm embarrassed that I said that. Sorry, too.

366 No worries, man.

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