May 18, 2010

Burns Concedes to Critz
— Ace

Damn it all.

Bear in mind this guy ran as basically a Tea Party Conservative (sure, right), and that he has to run again in November.

Posted by: Ace at 06:28 PM | Comments (304)
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1 Crap.

Posted by: damian at May 18, 2010 06:29 PM (4WbTI)

2 Let him run again in November.  Really fine man.

Posted by: ParisParamus at May 18, 2010 06:29 PM (lf/rr)

3 What can I say.  They like the fuckin' airport.

Posted by: Zombie John Murtha at May 18, 2010 06:30 PM (/4Hly)

4 The orange guy from Florida won?

Posted by: Bomber at May 18, 2010 06:30 PM (d88g9)

5 Don't sweat it.That might be the stupidest Con district in the nation,and that is saying something.

Posted by: steevy at May 18, 2010 06:31 PM (u8pNw)

6 That's "Critz", Ace.

Posted by: Charlie Crist, I-FL at May 18, 2010 06:31 PM (/4Hly)

7 haha have a fun 6 months not really getting anything done critz.  we take this back in november

Posted by: ousoonerfan15 at May 18, 2010 06:31 PM (6S5Mz)

8 No, this is PA-12 a fucking R+1 district.

Posted by: Darth Rove at May 18, 2010 06:32 PM (GfYt/)

9

Well at least we made the Dems pour money into this race. We need to do that for every race.

 

Posted by: southdakotaboy at May 18, 2010 06:32 PM (Hg165)

10 They won the battle, but they won't win the war.

See you in Nov, Crist.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 18, 2010 06:33 PM (c0A3e)

11 You know what?  Murtha was right. His district is filled with moron.

Posted by: DelD at May 18, 2010 06:33 PM (eWtdM)

12

Thats a bite in the ass, but lets hit it again in Nov

 

We Are.... Penn State

Posted by: rthor at May 18, 2010 06:34 PM (tE8Ul)

13 and racists

Posted by: schnappsdagon at May 18, 2010 06:34 PM (4WbTI)

14


Man, Charlie Crist, that f'ckrs everywhere.

Posted by: Blazer at May 18, 2010 06:34 PM (t72+4)

15 Intarde does not lie about this shit.

Posted by: Darth Rove at May 18, 2010 06:35 PM (GfYt/)

16 I won??

Posted by: Joe Crisp at May 18, 2010 06:35 PM (SwkdU)

17 Well I can't win in Florida, at least I win something.

Posted by: Charlie Crist at May 18, 2010 06:35 PM (zDZlQ)

18 Right, Intard.

Posted by: Darth Rove at May 18, 2010 06:36 PM (GfYt/)

19

We Are.... Penn State

Posted by: rthor at May 18, 2010 10:34 PM (tE8Ul)

Happy Valley is stuffed to the gills with liberal loons.  So there.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 18, 2010 06:36 PM (1fanL)

20 Look, let's all be men and admit that this is a big disappointment, and that this seat is now looking like it is NOT going to be on our pickup list in November (because seriously, it's hard to see how the dynamic six months from now could be more favorable than it is right now).  These guys are Dems to the death on a Congressional level. 

But let's not get TOO depressed, either.  Because hey, Charles Djou is going to win in Hawaii, and he's probably going to hold on in November too.  That's waaaay cooler than failing to win over a bunch of pork-addicted ex-steelworkers in Western Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 18, 2010 06:37 PM (GhUHn)

21 Murtha was right.  What a pathetic district.  Thanks for supporting McCain though.  I guess you need to be a gray haired rino/ dim to win there. 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 18, 2010 06:37 PM (8OTio)

22 Remember when Murtha called his constituents ignorant racist rednecks, and then they re-elected them? People were shocked, but they weren't listening. Murtha's constituents said they hated him, but he always brought them goodies.

No Republican will ever carry that district. Burns was wasting his own time and everyone else's. The people there are as corrupt as the people they elect.

Posted by: Llarry at May 18, 2010 06:37 PM (vW888)

23 Specter's loss is better than a Burns win since it gets a duck in row to take back Senate.  Not sure if the Paul win is a + or a - for the general...

Posted by: ParisParamus at May 18, 2010 06:37 PM (lf/rr)

24 That's what I'm talking about. Those John Murtha Memorial ballot machines were one hell of an investment.

Posted by: Zombie John Murtha at May 18, 2010 06:38 PM (zDZlQ)

25 Shit. I meant "Remember when Murtha called his constituents ignorant racist rednecks, and then they re-elected him?"

Posted by: Llarry at May 18, 2010 06:38 PM (vW888)

26

#20

I think thats fair.  I won't be giving a dime to district 12 in November though.  I'd rather give to people who aren't stuck in 1948.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 18, 2010 06:39 PM (8OTio)

27 Yeh, those fuckers think they'll get Murtha style pork. Just wait till the freshman congressman can't bring home the bacon.

Posted by: Darth Rove at May 18, 2010 06:39 PM (GfYt/)

28 Well, shit, I guess Bernie will have to be the oldest Joo in the Senate.

Oy vey!

Posted by: Arlen at May 18, 2010 06:40 PM (2+9Yx)

29

19  fubar

Oh wellah  They still were red last election (Centre County)

too many guns and hunters!!!  last bitter clingers

xin loi

Posted by: rthor at May 18, 2010 06:40 PM (tE8Ul)

30 I am not drunk. Can't a State have a few drinks with dinner after a hard day at the office?

Posted by: Pennsylvania at May 18, 2010 06:41 PM (ONBbr)

31 The median income in PA-12 is like 30k. Food stamps and pork is all those rednecks know.

Posted by: Obama at May 18, 2010 06:42 PM (GfYt/)

32 just donated to Rand Paul- is his acceptance speech posted anywhere?

Posted by: politicalmuse at May 18, 2010 06:42 PM (kLKnf)

33 10 They won the battle, but they won't win the war.

See you in Nov, Crist.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 18, 2010 10:33 PM (c0A3e)


Christ....

Posted by: Portnoy at May 18, 2010 06:42 PM (azgo2)

34

PA-12 acted stupidly.

I grew up there, I get to say that.  Murtha was elected two years before I was born.  Until that nasty old bastard died, I'd never known a time when he wasn't in Congress.

OT, anyone wachitng FoxNews?  Christ, Greta's show tonight is practially a free campaign commercial for McCain.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at May 18, 2010 06:43 PM (86FvD)

35 32
just donated to Rand Paul- is his acceptance speech posted anywhere?

Posted by: politicalmuse at May 18, 2010 10:42 PM (kLKnf)

Prison Planet or InfoWars...Take your pick.

Posted by: Portnoy at May 18, 2010 06:43 PM (azgo2)

36 just donated to Rand Paul-

Must sting to dip into your reefer fund like that. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 18, 2010 06:44 PM (Kn9r7)

37 All in all a pretty good night.  Specter out, would have been better in Nov, but this is just making me feel good.  I think Toomey has an excellent chance this year.

Too bad for Burns, but I don't think it is the bellweather that some people think it is.  I swore I heard the dems out register repubs 2 to 1 here, but I guess other have put me the info.

Lincoln can't get to 50%.  Neener, Neener.

Rand Paul might have some problems in a different year, but I think Kentucky will come through this fall.

Oh yeah, and Blumenthal is bloomin full of shit.

Good Day.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 18, 2010 06:45 PM (7VvJB)

38 Murtha was right. The people in PA's 12th are stoopid

Posted by: beedubya at May 18, 2010 06:45 PM (AnTyA)

39 "31 The median income in PA-12 is like 30k. Food stamps and pork is all those rednecks know.

Posted by: Obama at May 18, 2010 10:42 PM (GfYt/)"

Someone called them Steelworkers...hasn't that industry been decimated in America?  Oh, I get it, they are all living on their union pensions and health care...and they are still voting according to what the union tells them to do.....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 06:46 PM (p302b)

40 How you like the taste of my dead ass?

Vote early, vote often.

Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa at May 18, 2010 06:46 PM (2+9Yx)

41 If they were stupi enough to re-elect murtha after he insulted them then scroom. They are really too stupid to vote.  I hope it gets eliminated by redistricting.

Posted by: Schwalbe at May 18, 2010 06:47 PM (8r4UA)

42 Google image "PA-12 District"

That's what I call gerrymandered.

Posted by: RarestRX at May 18, 2010 06:47 PM (rmNST)

43 Told ya so.

Posted by: Dan at May 18, 2010 06:48 PM (LhjwW)

44 hey, they have that fine airport...

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 06:48 PM (p302b)

45

Ace

Burns didn't run as a tea partier.

Critz ran as more of a conservative than Burns. I've been watching the ads for days

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 06:49 PM (DKV43)

46 I am finding it hard to believe that Bluemthal will lose.  CT strikes me as a pretty liberal place...

Posted by: ParisParamus at May 18, 2010 06:49 PM (lf/rr)

47 So yeah, thanks PA-12 voters, you parasitic bastard jackasses.

Enjoy the inevitable depression, twits!

Oh, and enjoy spending my hard-earned tax dollars!

Posted by: Slublog at May 18, 2010 06:50 PM (a7H6Z)

48 I'll show those Penn State fuckers come November, when they come to Title Town, babee.

Posted by: Nick Fuckin Saban at May 18, 2010 06:51 PM (+8jFr)

49

Piss on Jimmy

Our man was "Tony the Pro' Provanzano from New Yawk

Teamsters "and the annuity" rule

 

Posted by: rthor at May 18, 2010 06:51 PM (tE8Ul)

50

This isn't a surprise.  Personally I would have been shocked if Burns won.  Unfortunately the Dem machine is pretty powerful in that district and hands out favors to anyone in exchange for votes.  And yeah, the people are either Liberal loons or idiots who believe the pie in the sky crap promises the Dems throw at them. 

Aa for the Specter/Sestak race,  that was a tough call.  I hate Specter but he would have been easier to beat in November.  Of course now all the big shots in the Dem party have to backtrack their support for Arlen over Joe, so that should be fun to watch.

The other one to watch is the GOP winner in Dahlkemper's district.  This could be a pick-up in November with the right candidate.  Dahlkemper is only popular in her hometown of Erie.

Posted by: Deanna at May 18, 2010 06:51 PM (oflVV)

51

Too bad for Burns, but I don't think it is the bellweather that some people think it is.  I swore I heard the dems out register repubs 2 to 1 here, but I guess other have put me the info.

Someone called them Steelworkers...hasn't that industry been decimated in America?  Oh, I get it, they are all living on their union pensions and health care...and they are still voting according to what the union tells them to do.....

Yes, the registration figures are absolutely true, although there is a pretty deep streak of social conservatism... which is modulated by the union-and-new-deal economic attitudes there.  (Not just steelworkers.  Coal miners, too.  You'd think they'd realize that the coal and steel industries were decimated by union costs, but the media and educations systems back home suck too.)

Posted by: LibertarianJim at May 18, 2010 06:51 PM (86FvD)

52 "46 I am finding it hard to believe that Bluemthal will lose.  CT strikes me as a pretty liberal place...

Posted by: ParisParamus at May 18, 2010 10:49 PM (lf/rr)"

They are the upper East Side with uber money....and there is a huge hispanic population that is sort of unseen...

They will think this guy is creative and will do whatever it takes to take care of them, since it is only they who really matter

Batchelor described CT as "the place where the hedgies live"

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 06:51 PM (p302b)

53 I know I'm a lurker, but I gotta hand it to all of you. I was really depressed about the Burns loss until I was reminded about Murtha's claim that his district was filled with ignant rascists. Jeebus, did he know his voters. I do think though that this loss, and the margin of it is going to be a blow to a lot of people. Hopefully not to demotivating. P.S. You know how you can tell that Blumenthal was lying? All Marines start their stories with: "No shit, there I was... I know I always do!

Posted by: Moron in Training at May 18, 2010 06:52 PM (Ux22j)

54 Burns does get a do-over in November, but it's really hard to see a different result.  Critz ran as an extension of Murtha, and those PA-12 pukes love their pork...

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at May 18, 2010 06:52 PM (+8jFr)

55

Burns got in late, and he did not go for the jugular with Critz.  Burns was way too polite.  Critz received money from Pelosi, why the heck didn't Burns make a commercial asking the voters can they trust a man to vote against the radical Pelosi and the Messaih when he has received money from these radicals?

 

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at May 18, 2010 06:53 PM (ACkhT)

56 41 If they were stupi enough to re-elect murtha after he insulted them then scroom. They are really too stupid to vote.  I hope it gets eliminated by redistricting.

Posted by: Schwalbe at May 18, 2010 10:47 PM (8r4UA)

With Ogabe's suck boys in charge of the Census???

Really???  Yeah...there's gonna be some 'redistricting' alright....


Posted by: Portnoy at May 18, 2010 06:53 PM (azgo2)

57 Median income? Who cares? What's the median IQ?

Posted by: Conservative Phantom at May 18, 2010 06:53 PM (RNRhC)

58 Someone called them Steelworkers...hasn't that industry been decimated in America?

Pretty much, especially in that area.  There's still a lot of steel made in the US, but it's mostly higher-priced boutique steels from smaller shops using arc furnaces.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 18, 2010 06:53 PM (XIXhw)

59 Aw crud. I think Monty is correct (from earlier thread) We'll take the house but only pick up 4-6 senate seats in Nov and not take the house by much of a margin. I guess everyone who gets goodies likes kicking the bill down the road. Well more reminder to enjoy life now before the leftards manage to completely eff things up.

Posted by: Palerider at May 18, 2010 06:55 PM (dkExz)

60 I sure hope PA-12 isn't a harbinger for the Maryland mid-terms.

Posted by: Smapty at May 18, 2010 06:55 PM (bAySe)

61

With 93% in Burns is still down by 7.5%. I don't know who the pollsters were in that race but they were more of a failure than even Burns was.

That district is 2-1 Dems and voted for a congressman that called them not to bright and racist. I'm done worrying about that district. Murtha is gone, that's all that matters.

Posted by: robtr at May 18, 2010 06:57 PM (fwSHf)

62 57 Median income? Who cares? What's the median IQ?

Considering the average redneck jackstick's hovers around 80, they're probably more like 60. Fucking imbeciles.

Posted by: Claire Voyant at May 18, 2010 06:58 PM (EL+OC)

63

If only I had acted sooner.  My bad.  I was busy in Utah endorsing Bob Bennett.  I'm planning a swing into Hawaii to endorse Chester Joo though.  Vote Joo!  A true conservative. 

(I am leading in the latest New Hampshire poll.)  Better get onboard morons.

Posted by: Mittens Romney at May 18, 2010 06:59 PM (8OTio)

64 GD Sock

Posted by: Barbarian at May 18, 2010 07:00 PM (EL+OC)

65 Things ain't over yet-- some new numbers: http://tinyurl.com/2eeos5h

Posted by: Matthew at May 18, 2010 07:02 PM (JxlzB)

66 Face it, Murtha's district is used to being on the government teat.  Johnny brought home the pork.  How many people do you think that supported?  They don't want some new guy cutting off the gravy train.

Posted by: GarandFan at May 18, 2010 07:03 PM (6mwMs)

67 Burns only won 2 out of 9 counties and only won those by 200 votes each. Either Burns is a loser or that district is a waste of time.

Posted by: robtr at May 18, 2010 07:03 PM (fwSHf)

68 Suck on, biotches!  How's my ass taste now, teabaggers?

I pulled out a big win there in Pennsylvania...yeah, that's me, the Comeback Kid!!!!  I still got the Magic Negro touch.

I told you that the big difference between now and 1994 is that today you all got me.

Arlen Specter? Never heard of the cracker.

Posted by: Barry 'The Won' Obama at May 18, 2010 07:04 PM (eWtdM)

69 What the fuck is wrong with those fucking retards in Murtha's district?  Fucking fuckwads.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at May 18, 2010 07:04 PM (PVAmK)

70 there is no momentum for the GOP.  burns got annihilated and this race was regarded as a toss-up, with many predicting a victory.

the GOP will gain 4 Senate seats and probably 35-40 house seats.

Posted by: Dan at May 18, 2010 07:04 PM (LhjwW)

71 apparently turnout in Blair county was light, which would have gone to burns

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:04 PM (DKV43)

72 apparently turnout in Blair county was light, which would have gone to burns

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 11:04 PM (DKV43)

According to the state website there is no Blair County in PA 12

Posted by: robtr at May 18, 2010 07:07 PM (fwSHf)

73

I'm announcing tonight that I am declaring myself a candidate for the U.S. Senate from the great state of Florida.

And tomorrow, I'm introducing legislation in the Senate that will change the name of the state of Florida to Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Arlen Specter at May 18, 2010 07:08 PM (P33XN)

74 When are the results for the Hawaii election?

Posted by: Smapty at May 18, 2010 07:08 PM (bAySe)

75 Its got tot suck to have to loose by 7-9% and then turn around and try and beat the same guy.

Posted by: Smapty at May 18, 2010 07:09 PM (bAySe)

76

there is no momentum for the GOP.  burns got annihilated and this race was regarded as a toss-up, with many predicting a victory.

the GOP will gain 4 Senate seats and probably 35-40 house seats
.

Again, there were no major statewide republican races. The Democratic turnout was higher because of the competative governor race and because of the sestak Specter election.

about 800 thousand voted in the dem senate primary and 500 in the republican. In november there will be a bigger republican turn out.

don't fret just yet.

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:09 PM (DKV43)

77 Also, Rothfus won PA 4. He will beat Altmire in November too.

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:12 PM (DKV43)

78 AP called Ark for lincoln, suck it Moveon

Posted by: robtr at May 18, 2010 07:12 PM (fwSHf)

79

When are the results for the Hawaii election?

ooh I forgot about that.

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:12 PM (DKV43)

80 "75 Its got tot suck to have to loose by 7-9% and then turn around and try and beat the same guy.

Posted by: Smapty at May 18, 2010 11:09 PM (bAySe)"

Actually it's a great opportunity.  If you have the right people analyzing every move and figuring out where you failed to reach the voters you can correct those errors.  I mean, the loser is always motivated to be the winner.  The winner always has in the back of their mind that they will of course win again so they don't try as hard the second time around.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:12 PM (p302b)

81 Guys, fuck PA-12. I think you're missing the excitement that is the fuckin' Rand Paul Train. That bitch is picking up steam and - hang on a sec... ***huffs spraypaint fumes from paper bag*** ... is gonna be bringing back some REAL conservatism up in this - hang on... ***brings Crazy Glue tube to nostril, snorts deeply*** YEEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!!! FUCKIN' rEVOLUtionating PAUL!!! PAUL!!!! BECAUSE FUCKIN' PAUL!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 18, 2010 07:15 PM (xGIqT)

82 Even National Review Online is calling this a "disaster" for the GOP and a bad omen for November

Posted by: Dan at May 18, 2010 07:15 PM (LhjwW)

83

robtr

its the Altoona area I believe

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:16 PM (DKV43)

84 I don't get it, if Burns couldn't win this time, how will he win in November? What will change?

Posted by: KG at May 18, 2010 07:16 PM (S8TF5)

85 the GOP will gain 4 Senate seats and probably 35-40 house seats.

No, GOP will gain 6-8 seats in the Senate. Agree they will probably fall just barely short in the house tho. 

Posted by: Jon at May 18, 2010 07:17 PM (Xt7UU)

86 It seems as though the first legitimate tea party candidate schooled the chosen republican candidate.....maybe the only hope of more seats will be electing the tea party candidates....

That should be interesting for the republicans.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:20 PM (p302b)

87 Even National Review Online is calling this a "disaster" for the GOP and a bad omen for November Really? Because I can't find that anywhere on their site. Here's an idea, you sorry, limp excuse for a concern troll. Go home and get your fuckin' shinebox, because you are nowhere near ready for this fucking blog. Why don't you go cut your milkteeth on the pussies at Hot Air, and when you're ready to have your asshole resized, you just mosey on back here, bitchling.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 18, 2010 07:20 PM (xGIqT)

88

Even National Review Online is calling this a "disaster" for the GOP and a bad omen for November

oh god, not the national review.  I mean there is no way that the Rich Lowery types have a vested interest in keeping the republican party out of the hands of the lumpen proles and safely in the hands of the establishment.

I fail to see how this is a big loss.

Specter, the Dem endorsed candidate lost. Sestak is a closeted lefty who will be outed. He is too pro choice to cut it in Catholic PA. The Hawaii election isn't in. Blanche Lincoln will probably win, which will give the Republicans an easy target.  Richard Blumenthal gave a speech today at which one of the "Vietnam Vets" he hugged and stood behind him is apparently a Stolen Valor type as well who is a fake soldier. Here in PA , the former Club for Growth President and right winger Pat Toomey will be our candidate for Senate, and AG Tom Corbett who is suing the Obama admin concerning the Mandate in healthcare will be our candidate for governor.  And the only down side is Tim Burns lost to Mark Critz, who ran as more conservative than Tim Burns.

all in all it wasn't a bad night.

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:22 PM (DKV43)

89 Just listened to Rand Paul's acceptance speech.  If you were inspired, by the time he is done you will want to take a box of Valium and a fifth of JD.  How can someone exist that has all the right words but absolutely NO fire, nothing.  Like a cardboard cutout of a man, terrible, be lucky if he can win in November, I doubt it, paint drying would be more fascinating.

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 07:22 PM (KoT0h)

90

 I don't get it, if Burns couldn't win this time, how will he win in November? What will change?

read the comments.

Republican turnout in November will be higher. There were no major state wide republican primaries races.

The senate and governor race were both essentially uncontested.

Posted by: Ben at May 18, 2010 07:23 PM (DKV43)

91 Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 11:22 PM (KoT0h)

Americans have had enough "local color"....what they want now is substance and it doesn't have to come in a slick package...it just has to stand on principle and have morals and ethics....

he fits the bill....plus he is very good looking and soccer moms love good looking...

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:24 PM (p302b)

92

Breaking........


Arlen Specter Threatening To Set Off Suit Case Nuke In Philadelphia.

Posted by: Blazer at May 18, 2010 07:25 PM (t72+4)

93 Blarrrrgghhhh!

Posted by: Pennsylvania at May 18, 2010 07:27 PM (ONBbr)

94 95 How's Harry Reid doing in the polls?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at May 18, 2010 11:25 PM (HfesM)

Not good, and everyone I know is voting against him, and I mean everyone!

However, he does have a boatload of money.

Posted by: lou at May 18, 2010 07:27 PM (edPJq)

95 Really? Because I can't find that anywhere on their site

He's quoting an e-mail from an NRO reader posted in the Campaign Spot.  So yeah, his claim that "NRO" is saying "disaster" is bullshit. 

Posted by: Jon at May 18, 2010 07:28 PM (Xt7UU)

96 curious  94  I am not looking for flamboyance at all.  I know nothing about Paul except his half-cracked dad.  But just listen to his acceptance speech, he is a dead man walking.  This should be one of the happiest moments of his life, he sounded like he was giving instructions on arranging patio furniture, terrible if that is really what he is like, anyone with passion will beat him, even if they have an ugly mug.

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 07:28 PM (KoT0h)

97 Even National Review Online is calling this a "disaster" for the GOP and a bad omen for November.

On the other hand...

n general elections, the dynamic will be very different. Republican challengers and incumbents will tar their Democratic opponents with a simple characterization: "A vote for my opponent is a vote for Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi's agenda." Democrats will have no such claim to make against Republicans.

Obama's endorsements keep losing, which may be more significant than what a bunch of pork gobblers in Pennsylvania do.

Posted by: Llarry at May 18, 2010 07:29 PM (vW888)

98 "I don't get it, if Burns couldn't win this time, how will he win in November? What will change?"

Six months of Critz being a toady for Pelosi and Obama, demonstrating the "Conservative Dem" thing was an act, as it always is these days.  Plus six months of him not magically making the district's economy turn around.  Plus turnout: it's always higher in November than for a special election.

Posted by: Dave J. at May 18, 2010 07:29 PM (DCQ0q)

99 94 Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 11:22 PM (KoT0h)

"'I HAVE A MESSAGE FROM THE TEA PARTY: WE HAVE COME TO TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT BACK'..."


that doesn't sound like paint drying to me...that sounds damn sexy....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:30 PM (p302b)

100 Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 11:28 PM (KoT0h)

John, he sounds like an eye surgeon not a politician...that will be very attractive to many,,,,'

"he is who he is"  will be the new black...in the coming elections....(or "she is who she is")

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:33 PM (p302b)

101 all in all it wasn't a bad night.

I disagree, it was a bad night.  However, it's still been a good few days overall  Odds of picking up a Senate Seat in CT went way up, and Rubio is back in the lead in FL.  And Djou will win easily in the HI special election later this month.

Posted by: Jon at May 18, 2010 07:33 PM (Xt7UU)

102 "I don't get it, if Burns couldn't win this time, how will he win in November? What will change?"

It's just a flesh wound.

Posted by: snapdragon at May 18, 2010 07:33 PM (5Etcj)

103

Blair County is in PA-9, Bill Shuster's district.

Blair and Cambria are WEIRD.  They're practically demographically identical, but Cambria is 2-1 Democratic, and as soon as you go over the mountian into Blair, it's 2-1 Republican.

The only real difference is that Johnstown was a steel city surrounded by coal towns, where most of the Altoona area was rail-centric.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at May 18, 2010 07:34 PM (86FvD)

104 The third (oh fourth, I forgot Detroit), stupidest people on the face of the earth live in that PA district. I just asked John Murtha himself in the ninth ring of Hell. Dumb, dumber, dumberer, dumbererer. That last one is PA. Dumbest is still reserved for the Pelosi distruct.

Posted by: Mohammed from Hell at May 18, 2010 07:34 PM (Qc/s6)

105 "'I HAVE A MESSAGE FROM THE TEA PARTY: WE HAVE COME TO TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT BACK'..." TO PLANET REMULAK. PREPARE YOURSELVES, PEOPLE OF EARTH. EMPEROR PAUL CAN BE MERCILESS, BUT HE IS JUST. HE'S ALSO KIND OF SHORT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE'S JUST.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 18, 2010 07:34 PM (xGIqT)

106 Someone said something about the Paul people being thrown out of a polling place...anyone hear anything about this?

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:37 PM (p302b)

107 Our candidates better articulate a vision and do it with passion, many are too cautious, like they are vying for a spot on the Factor.  Stop this middle of the road stuff, or acting like I just saw from Rand Paul.  Or Republic is in mortal danger, fucking act like it.  We need men like Col West.  Stop all this middle of the road crap, no agreement at any time with the Dems. 

Start acting like they are what they have turned out to be, an invading army bent on destroying America.  Why is our southern border not secure this fucking instant!  Hammer these assholes day and night.  Why is D.C. spending money that will not even exist for ten years?  Hammer these bastards.  Let people know they will be like an African country in 5 years if this does not stop now...jeez we need the passion of Patrick Henry types.

 Point out daily that the Obama people weigh in on state legislation passing judgment when they have not even read the bill, stick it to them 24/7!  How can we have a President that by his rhetoric starts an internal trade war in the U.S. by being an ignorant idiot, weighing in on the AZ bill about illegal immigration when he refuses to protect the border, let people know that Americans are dying because of this, this is not theory!

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 07:37 PM (KoT0h)

108 One of the reasons I think Burns got shellacked is that the DNCC was pounding him at every commercial break in radio (and I assume TV, but I skips the commercials precious so I don't knows for sure) with an ad that was a variation on "Tim Burns wants to install a 28% Federal Sales Tax." and proceeded to show how much shit would cost with that in place. Over and over. He never countered in any way that effectively showed that for the lie it was.

Sure, most of us here realize that's the one side of the Fair Tax plan, to which he had pledged support. You can't let crap like that go without a strong, perfect response. He did. It wrecked him. I hope he has better campaign advice in November. Odds are that he won't.

And also, without a Congressman bringing in bacon, there is almost no economy to speak of in the Johnston/Cambria county region. Zilch. They have nothing. They got addicted to the government teat when steel dwindled, and turned into a bunch of dependents. Now they vote like it. It's not a shocker, really.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at May 18, 2010 07:38 PM (pffBj)

109 Hey can I get some cheese and crackers, maybe some white whine?

Posted by: What Comes From the Fringe at May 18, 2010 07:40 PM (uFdnM)

110 Even National Review Online is calling this a "disaster" for the GOP and a bad omen for November

Yeah, can't find that.  are you a troll or an eeyore?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 18, 2010 07:40 PM (7VvJB)

111 "They have nothing. They got addicted to the government teat when steel dwindled, and turned into a bunch of dependents."

Name one Congressional district that isn't dependent on federal dollars.

Posted by: snapdragon at May 18, 2010 07:41 PM (5Etcj)

112 PA-12 sold their souls for pork.  Obama was wrong about them, it's not their guns and religion that they cling to, it's their pork.

Posted by: Shiner Bock at May 18, 2010 07:42 PM (tzVYu)

113 LibertarianJim: Correct. I've lived in both counties (grew up in Blair). The thing to note is that pretty much all the towns in Cambria are kind of like zombies. Many of the towns in Blair (including Altoona) seem to be enjoying a relative upswing, most likely because of their proximity to the ever-growing, ever-richer Penn State.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at May 18, 2010 07:42 PM (pffBj)

114 Blair and Cambria are WEIRD.

Weird in a Deliverance sort of way or in a Ron Paul weird sort of way?

Posted by: Barbarian at May 18, 2010 07:42 PM (EL+OC)

115 My politically savvy friend who is a lib/dem says he is worried about this cause "sometimes you deliberately lose cause you know you will live to fight again"  and he said that "the guy was a true gentleman, we hope he continues in that vein or it might not go so well for us"

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:43 PM (p302b)

116 snapdragon: No. I mean their entire economy depends on the money that Murtha funneled their. They have nothing else. There probably isn't a district more dependent on Federal cash anywhere outside of a small radius around D.C.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at May 18, 2010 07:44 PM (pffBj)

117 (LhjwW) is a troll.

Yes, the registration figures are absolutely true, although there is a pretty deep streak of social conservatism... which is modulated by the union-and-new-deal economic attitudes there.

Here's what happens: These kinds of voters like pork and Stupakers to tell them sweet sweet lies about their social conservatism.  They also think Democrats are "for the working man." Yeah, I know.  Stop laughing.

Burns won't win, turnout didn't help, but he didn't even come close.  If Burns couldn't get this far, neither could Russell who didn't come from the district.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 18, 2010 07:44 PM (Vo2Ef)

118 Wow curious when you type Rand's lifeless speech all in GIANT red script I almost believe with you.  I       am       persuaded.

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 07:45 PM (KoT0h)

119 Oh, and this carefully gerrymandered district will not exist in 2012.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 18, 2010 07:46 PM (Vo2Ef)

120 Name one Congressional district that isn't dependent on federal dollars.

Dependent?  Many.  but lets say your statement was actually true, therein lies the problem.  The federal govt should be starved to the point of bare survival other than the military.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 18, 2010 07:46 PM (7VvJB)

121 "123 Wow curious when you type Rand's lifeless speech all in GIANT red script I almost believe with you.  I       am       persuaded.

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 11:45 PM (KoT0h)"

John, I copied and pasted from drudge so I thought it was odd the way it came up lol...

I'm not a ron paul fan at all, in fact some of my dem friends are crazy about him....but I did like his son, I liked what I saw....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:46 PM (p302b)

122

It's PA-12 fer chrissakes. The GOP won't win that one 'til the 2nd coming.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 18, 2010 07:47 PM (7+pP9)

123 The people in this district are probably subsisting on their company pensions.  Therefore, they are really afraid of losing this money and having to go on the public dole.  Ergo, they are going to listen to the union BS about them picking the candidate that will have their best interests at heart and they will vote lockstep with the union...

That will be the most daunting aspect of this race....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:49 PM (p302b)

124 Name one Congressional district that isn't dependent on federal dollars.

Posted by: snapdragon at May 18, 2010 11:41 PM (5Etcj)

Assholic question.  The money returned to the states was confiscated from taxpayers through the process of taxation.  It's there own fucking money.

Posted by: Fish at May 18, 2010 07:50 PM (M5t+h)

125 curious 123   Then go watch his speech I saw it over at http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/    Really, and his young son behind him...doll eyes (Queue speech about sharks from Jaws)

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 07:52 PM (KoT0h)

126 I'm sorry Burns lost, but....wait, give me a moment....tee hee....

I'm so reveling in Snarlin' Arlen's loss!  Even though Toomey will face a much stronger opponent in Sestak, it did my heart good to see Arlen Specter being voted out of office by the party he defected into.

Enjoy your retirement, Mr Specter.  And may you come to realize that most folks, the real thinking folks, don't care for someone who will sell out their principles for power.  If you even had any principles to begin with.....

Posted by: Intrepid at May 18, 2010 07:53 PM (92zkk)

127

Regarding Burns and other Dem districts, to win the Republicans need a wave.

But when the Republicans won't fight Kagan, won't maintain a fillibuster on the financial reform bill, and generally act like losers in the Senate, how can they win?

Rand Paul wins big in Kentucky and defeats the establishment candidate.  And got to give the Dems credit, at least they put a bullet in Spector, something the establishment Republicans never had the balls to do.  And Bennet loses in Utah.

We are seeing Republican leadership, but it is at the governor level in NJ and AZ.  When the Republicans in Congress (particularly the Senate) wake up, we can start winning these districts.

This might be good.  Maybe the Repub. Senate leadership might wake up in time to stop bad bills/appointments by fillibustering and rally folks in Nov.

One place to start is the slogan for November should be one word--REPEAL!!

 

Posted by: Scoob at May 18, 2010 07:54 PM (T7+JL)

128 "Congratulations Rand! Spectacular Victory Speech"The speech....watched it live...but for those who missed it....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 07:59 PM (p302b)

129 Rand Paul was/is strongly against foreign military intervention. The Iraq war was the most important political event of the decade. Say good bye to liz Cheney

Posted by: Booger eating left wing dunce sez at May 18, 2010 08:03 PM (I+7Zv)

130 Meh.

If it was such a good night for the Democommunists they would be out celebrating and not here as concern trolls and eeyors trying to make us all feel like the sky is falling. It will take a while to change union-drone voting habits in Pennsylvania. Same with California and the rest of the moldy states.

We need to show these people something after we get back in power. Nothing inspires like results.

That Specter bag-o-shit is out. That's enough for me. Now if we could just get rid of Leahy, we'd have both of Hell's bookends out of office.

November will be what we make of it.

We are kicking that evil, flint-hearted dinoscrunt Pelosi out of the Speakership adn more besides.

Posted by: sifty at May 18, 2010 08:05 PM (hy2fH)

131 129 Name one Congressional district that isn't dependent on federal dollars.

Posted by: snapdragon at May 18, 2010 11:41 PM (5Etcj)

Are we just talking Pennsylvania here fuckhead??

Wait, yer dumbass is probably in California...



Posted by: Portnoy at May 18, 2010 08:06 PM (azgo2)

132 Settle down folks. The people of this district like the pork. That's just how it is...

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at May 18, 2010 08:06 PM (QOBVx)

133 The scuttlebutt around the political nets is that the Democrats are making a comeback. They now lead Repubs in voter satisfaction. I had a feeling that would happen. This country is pretty much gone folks, might as well get used to it. The people want government goodies, and no talk about freedom, liberty, patriotism, and less spending is going to convince them otherwise.

Posted by: Ernest P. Worrell at May 18, 2010 08:07 PM (Bgher)

134

Breaking...

Arlen Specter takes five people hostage at Pittsburg Dunkin' Donuts.

Posted by: Arlen Specter at May 18, 2010 08:07 PM (P33XN)

135 Welp, early results seem to be showing that appx. 2/3s of Arizonans are fuckin' morons...

Just voted themselves a tax increase to stave off the "devastation" that would occur if if our educational system had to get by on 2008 levels of spending.

Fuck me.


Posted by: Deety at May 18, 2010 08:07 PM (aVzyR)

136 And this is why I'm not voting for Jan Brewer in the Primary.

Posted by: Deety at May 18, 2010 08:09 PM (aVzyR)

137 Google image "PA-12 District"

That's what I call gerrymandered.

Posted by: RarestRX

if that district were a rorschach test, i would be locked up as a danger to society.

Posted by: evil libertarian at May 18, 2010 08:09 PM (AWRap)

138 And Rand Paul creeps me out because of his crazy-ass truther dad.

I just don't think the loose change falls too far from the pocket.

He'll need to work hard to get out of Creepy Uncle  Leprechaun Ron's shadow.

If he starts spouting his Dad's bullshit he'll poison the well for all conservatives in November.

Posted by: sifty at May 18, 2010 08:10 PM (hy2fH)

139 Monty Burns won in the 13th district right?  I told you.  Morons better get onboard.

Posted by: Mittens Romney at May 18, 2010 08:10 PM (8OTio)

140

In the '90s I went to school in Pittsburgh, and I met a number of undergraduates from Murtha's district, i.e. Johnstown PA area. Some were salt of the earth, but a disturbingly high number had sociopathic tendencies. They'd smile, charm, shake your hand, but when it came time to trust them, forget it.

Maybe having their town destroyed by some rich peoples' poorly-maintained artificicial lake back in 1889 still resonates down to today with Johnstown  people. And the steel industry labor vs. management dynamic in SW Pennsylvainia was still bad enought in the 1980s that masked union activists did things like invade the birthday party of  a steel executive's child and throw stink bombs everywhere.

I could easily see people in the Johnstown area venerating a man who brought home the bacon from D.C., and not put much more thought into it than that.

If anyone from Johnstown is offended by this, I would just like to say to the good ones that you know who you are, and the rest of you can go piss up a rope.

Yes, I got burned a few times.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 18, 2010 08:11 PM (tm15w)

141 Jehu, Quit acting like a douchebag. Curious is a good egg. You have different opinions Iabot a speach. Grow up and realize that differing conclusions are not betrayel or eeyorism. FWIW Paul won with a healthy margin, some people seem to dig him

Posted by: Moron in Training at May 18, 2010 08:12 PM (Ux22j)

142 don't get all worry wart, its a gerrymandered dem district.  we've got much bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 18, 2010 08:13 PM (7VvJB)

143 The scuttlebutt around the political nets is that the Democrats are making a comeback. They now lead Repubs in voter satisfaction.

What does "voter satisfaction" mean?

Posted by: Llarry at May 18, 2010 08:14 PM (vW888)

144 You'd think they'd realize that the coal and steel industries were decimated by union costs, but the media and educations systems back home suck too.

The Pittsburgh local history museum actually has a permanent exhibit that talks about the steel industry that built the city.  When I was there a few years ago I actually did happen to see a plaque that mentioned the union costs making the industry decline.  It was rather refreshing.

Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at May 18, 2010 08:14 PM (/zMD6)

145

In the '90s I went to school in Pittsburgh, and I met a number of undergraduates from Murtha's district, i.e. Johnstown PA area. Some were salt of the earth, but a disturbingly high number had sociopathic tendencies. They'd smile, charm, shake your hand, but when it came time to trust them, forget it.

Maybe having their town destroyed by some rich peoples' poorly-maintained artificicial lake back in 1889 still resonates down to today with Johnstown  people. And the steel industry labor vs. management dynamic in SW Pennsylvainia was still bad enought in the 1980s that masked union activists did things like invade the birthday party of  a steel executive's child and throw stink bombs everywhere.

I could easily see people in the Johnstown area venerating a man who brought home the bacon from D.C., and not put much more thought into it than that.

If anyone from Johnstown is offended by this, I would just like to say to the good ones that you know who you are, and the rest of you can go piss up a rope.

Yes, I got burned a few times.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 19, 2010 12:11 AM (tm15w)

Sometimes you need to know when to hold 'em and sometimes you just need to know when to fold 'em. 

Murtha called his own constituents a bunch of racists and proceeded to win easily.  The district gives about a 25 percent approval rating to Congress but just installed a guy who will vote with that same very Congress about 80-90% of the time. 

At a certain point, you just need to realize, it's not you, it's them.

Posted by: Phil at May 18, 2010 08:15 PM (jr7Cb)

146 Settle down folks. The people of this district like the pork. That's just how it is...

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at May 19, 2010 12:06 AM (QOBVx)

Wait until they figure out it's finished.  The Murtha airport will probably be mothballed, soon.  They were buying seniority and a lowlife criminal with Murtha.  With Crist, all they get is the lowlife criminal part.  That seniority and spot on Appropriations is long gone ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 18, 2010 08:17 PM (Qp4DT)

147 heh.  knew it was a good night.  frum is whining about the rand paul victory, which means the voters chose correctly.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 18, 2010 08:18 PM (7VvJB)

148 I'm confused, because I have not been following this closely. Is it, or is it not, time to start sucking each other's dicks?

Posted by: Milesdei at May 18, 2010 08:20 PM (FS9ko)

149 Anything that makes Frum cry is worth a second look. Anyone that makes Frum cry is worth buying a beer.

Posted by: sifty at May 18, 2010 08:20 PM (hy2fH)

150 Were all the special elections repubs lost in blue districts?

Posted by: lou at May 18, 2010 08:22 PM (edPJq)

151

154

I made him cry.  He tried scoring Noonan once.  It was classic.  I alerted Peggy to the hidiously wrinkled trousers he was wearing.  It got ugly.  Before long he was bawling on Brooks' shoulder. 

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at May 18, 2010 08:24 PM (8OTio)

152 153 I'm confused, because I have not been following this closely. Is it, or is it not, time to start sucking each other's dicks? Posted by: Milesdei at May 19, 2010 12:20 AM


We have a thread winner.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 18, 2010 08:36 PM (g4J4S)

153 If you're a "the glass is half full" type, you are very satisfied with tonight's results but if you are "the glass is half empty" type of person, then you aren't so thrilled.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 08:43 PM (p302b)

154 Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 12:43 AM (p302b)

So, are the most pessimistic "glass is half-full" person and the most optimistic "glass is half-empty" person both equally nonplussed about tonight's results?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 18, 2010 08:48 PM (Qp4DT)

155 I watched the Rand Paul speech, and although I liked the substance, his delivery was one of a shriner overseeing a bingo game at the old folks center. Our guys better get some fucking fire in their guts, stat.

Posted by: The Drizzle at May 18, 2010 08:49 PM (AaGVW)

156 I was hoping for more from the PA-12 race. Now I have to blame someone for leading me astray. I guess the Brown win had me drunk with possibilities. I think, er thought that the level of anger was high enough for spontaneous electoral combustion. Now I feel like were doomed. I know I shouldn't but I can't shake the feeling. Feels just like the night of 3/23. Fuck.

Posted by: Moron in Training at May 18, 2010 08:53 PM (Ux22j)

157 "159 Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 12:43 AM (p302b)

So, are the most pessimistic "glass is half-full" person and the most optimistic "glass is half-empty" person both equally nonplussed about tonight's results?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 19, 2010 12:48 AM (Qp4DT)"

don's you think that these results will make people realize that there are no easy wins and that there is a lot of hard work to be done before people can rest assured.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:00 PM (p302b)

158 Some are saying, and more will say, that the combination of Murtha's old GOTV team and Obie's spiffy OFA ground game won this. Well, d'uh. But the point is GOTV efforts don't run contrary to the polls, and the polls said Burns would win close with some comfort. The actual ass-kicking Burns suffered is too much of a discrepancy with that polling to be explained by a better Dem ground game; this is a midterm year FFS! and Dems are trailing BP in popularity at this point. So it's one of two things: vote fraud or b.s. polling. If it's vote fraud, we should see reports on that over the next few days, and a complaint to the FEC and a Burns lawsuit being filed. If not, then you've got to look at the polling.

Posted by: Louis Bourbon put away wet in the 5th at May 18, 2010 09:04 PM (zfRju)

159 Ugh at the top of the hour ABC news had some dem talking about how the republicans bashed away at the democrats and the obama/pelosi agenda (hmm they seem to have taken harry reid out of the mix)  in this race and still couldn't take it and this is bad for the republicans cause this is precisely the kind of district they need to take if they are going to win in november.  then, the next story was about how the prez went to youngstown Ohio and in his speech said that the republicans are unwilling to fix our financial problems.   So, you can see those talking points right out there already.  As an aside the ABC news reader said that the republicans are unwilling to pay for the fixes.  Guess the newsreader thought that was helping the republicans.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:06 PM (p302b)

160 So it's one of two things: vote fraud or b.s. polling. If it's vote fraud, we should see reports on that over the next few days, and a complaint to the FEC and a Burns lawsuit being filed. If not, then you've got to look at the polling. I gotta go with polling on this one. I think the issue is not factoring in the "Dems coming home" phenomenon. I always have high hopes in these types of districts and end up heartbroken.

Posted by: Moron in Training at May 18, 2010 09:09 PM (Ux22j)

161

I was in PA-12 recently, in Burgettstown in partcular.

My grandfather was a coal miner. I lived there as a first and second grader waaaaaaay back.

 It was depressed even then, as the mines played out and the steel industry around Pittsburgh started to tank.

It's a lot worse now.  Portions of "downtown" Burgettstown are now abandoned and boarded up.  An air of decay and despair hangs over the place.

Every teenager unlucky enough to live there, lives only to get the frack out of his loser ghosttown at first opportunity.  Almost everything he sees in the movies and on TV has nothing to do with him, stuck in a post-industrial wasteland.

But the old folks are completely dependent on unions and the dole, and they loved Murtha and his scraps of pork.

As they will say to you: have another Yuengling, and chill.

p.s.  In thirty years Murtha's airport might become useful.  If that happens some journo will approvingly quote a Dem party hack about how "foresighted" Murtha was.

 

Posted by: effinayright at May 18, 2010 09:10 PM (lQRmV)

162

don't you think that these results will make people realize that there are no easy wins and that there is a lot of hard work to be done before people can rest assured.

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 01:00 AM (p302b)

I think turnout was extra light.  I had problems getting information, myself.  Washington got crushed, outside of the pork slobs in PA-12, but I never counted that as a win.  I think that the Dems lose a ton in November, but I think it's too late, anyway.  This train left the station in the 2008 election.

To me, the question becomes one of what the states are going to do.  Given the fact that The Precedent and his junta have decided to try and ally with a foreign enemy, China, against Arizona says it all (for those who couldn't see what's been going on the whole time).  I don't think people have quite digested what this all means, yet.

And we sit on the razor's edge, with more than a few independent, external events able to push us over - especially since this administration (no matter the makeup of Congress) will be pushing instability, without any safety net left, as our federal institutions are all plumb out of "faith and credit". I see very rough times ahead, and that's from the "glass is half-full" point of view

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 18, 2010 09:13 PM (Qp4DT)

163 Based on all this info on the district, why were we ever pinning any hopes on it? I feel kinda set up, at least emotionally. I guess I didn't do my due diligance on this one. Maybe the dems sucked us in to try and get the narrative changed. It can't possible be my own magical thinking!

Posted by: Moron in Training at May 18, 2010 09:15 PM (Ux22j)

Posted by: newser at May 18, 2010 09:18 PM (39SGJ)

165 This election night is not bad, but it is a wake up call to the stupid party.  You can lead a horse to water, but you better offer him a beer.  Get some fire in the belly Pubs, or get the hell out of the way, this is not about winning an election this time, it is not business as usual.  America has about one last chance, now act like it!

And once again a speech that has all the right words is not enough, we need the substance, of course, but people don't go to a steakhouse just because it has steak, they go over and over because of the sizzle. The GOP needs to learn something other than the missionary position. 

McCain lost mostly IMO because he did not take any kind of a fight to the fake-ass Obama, who would have folded if someone just fought him even a little bit.  And when you fight a Dem, remember your fight is with the media also, they are NEVER on your side.  Best fighters I ever saw, liked to fight, they run to the fight, something about that is unnerving to an opponent, who wants to do some strutting and posturing first.  Fuck that, go in with knife and gun right from the get go. 

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 09:18 PM (KoT0h)

166 Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 19, 2010 01:13 AM (Qp4DT)

Everything you say is correct and can happen.  However, let's hope that somehow it all doesn't happen.  Let's hope that more people begin to pay attention.  Tonight Batchelor had on two guys for Bloomberg who are dissecting the cuomo stuff with the "too big to fail financial institutions" and Batchelor literally said that there is no polite way to say it "the big banks were stealing from widows and orphans"....I didn't hear the rest as I had a little commotion here  but Batchelor was warning about the PIGS over a year ago, maybe two years ago...so he is usually "spot on" as the brits would say.  Those bank balance sheets don't look any different than they did over a year ago...what up with that?  Let's have faith that by the grace of God the good people of this democratic republic can pull it together and fix it ...just get it done....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:20 PM (p302b)

167 Let me jump in here, The time is...NOW! Throw any pol who does not pass the "Done with the Hope and Change!!!" Hard RIGHT TURN or your under the bus! This IS a center RIGHT country and if we do not pull together and totally blow away these mid-terms, then we, the AMERICA are lost! This is it!....THIS IS IT!

Posted by: Richard at May 18, 2010 09:21 PM (wrZBq)

168

Posted by: Jehu at May 19, 2010 01:18 AM (KoT0h)

 You have it right.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at May 18, 2010 09:21 PM (M4j4Z)

169

Critz basically ran aganst Obama.  What we're really frustrated about is that the lies worked. We have to go after them as Democrats.  Otherwise, they'll elect the fresh faced hope 'n' changer all over again. We have to nationalize this election, but I can't be sad about this.  When they have to go full Stupak to win Murtha's district, it's a good sign.

It also means we have a lot of work to do.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 18, 2010 09:23 PM (Vo2Ef)

170

but I think it's too late, anyway.  This train left the station in the 2008 election.

As a fellow eeyore, I agree.  My wake up call was in 2004.  A sitting President, in a time of war, for all intents and purposes won the election by 30,000? votes in Ohio.  Over a pathetic Mondale like opponent in John Kerry.

I think it's a slow decline, but who knows.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 18, 2010 09:24 PM (8OTio)

171 Posted by: AmishDude at May 19, 2010 01:23 AM (Vo2Ef)

how are you feeling?  I've said a lot of rosaries for you in the last couple of weeks and I sincerely hope they have helped.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:24 PM (p302b)

172

Keith Olbermann gives a respectful nod to Arlen Specter.

That tells you everything you need to know about Specter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2010 09:25 PM (P33XN)

173 And not to kick a drunk horse too much but McCain should be studied, especially that miserable campaign.  McCain elevated his sense of honor and the rules of gentlemanly conduct beyond the needs, even the desperate needs, of this country, I am still pissed about that.  We need men like Lincoln that could care less about what people thought of them, who were gutfighters when it counted. 

We need bloody men like Grant and Sherman, for make no mistake this is a war as real as the civil war, just fought with different weapons, but the war is still about slavery or freedom, but the results will be far more permanent, and affect the whole earth for hundreds of years.  Fuck any politician that cannot, or refuses to see that right now.  Fight you motherfuckers....Fight!

Posted by: Jehu at May 18, 2010 09:28 PM (KoT0h)

174 specter.....

Posted by: Richard at May 18, 2010 09:28 PM (wrZBq)

175 how are you feeling?  I've said a lot of rosaries for you in the last couple of weeks and I sincerely hope they have helped.

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 01:24 AM (p302b)

Not that I don't appreciate it, but I'm fine, you might have me confused with somebody else.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 18, 2010 09:28 PM (Vo2Ef)

176 Not even the vaunted Philly Fraud Machine could help Specter this time. the local moonbat press (redundant, I know) was going all out for Sleestak. one of the free local rags even threatened to shoot a kitten if "you don't vote for Sestak". Of course they were kidding....I think. They are already starting to paint Toomey as a far-right religious nut. From what I've seen of him, he seem to be a fiscal con, and a good debater.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at May 18, 2010 09:30 PM (2LQ+l)

177 "180 how are you feeling?  I've said a lot of rosaries for you in the last couple of weeks and I sincerely hope they have helped.

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 01:24 AM (p302b)

Not that I don't appreciate it, but I'm fine, you might have me confused with somebody else.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 19, 2010 01:28 AM (Vo2Ef)"

I'm sorry if I confused you with someone else....and now I can't remember who it was...wine and the ONT....lol

But, you've had a lot of prayers so I hope they bring something good....

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:30 PM (p302b)

178 Posted by: Jehu at May 19, 2010 01:28 AM (KoT0h)

The kind of people you are seeking have to get good and angry and just rise up and emerge.  You can't make a Rand Paul into that kind of guy.  You just have to hope that his casper milk toast approach will be pleasing to the Kentucky voters so he will keep the seat..

But I agree with you.  This is not a time for playing the game of politics...this is a time to play for all the marbles, for keeps...

Just don't know if there are enough people out there who can win on behalf of the American people.

Posted by: curious at May 18, 2010 09:36 PM (p302b)

179

But, you've had a lot of prayers so I hope they bring something good....

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 01:30 AM (p302b)

curious, it's a pleasant surprise and I appreciate it more than you know.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 18, 2010 09:53 PM (Vo2Ef)

180 While of Course I'm disappointed that Burns lost, I have to snicker a bit because I'm always hearing about how conservative the rest of Pennsyltucky is compared to the urban hellholes of Philly and Pittsburgh....

Posted by: Luca Brasi at May 18, 2010 09:55 PM (2LQ+l)

181

Big Rock Candy Mountains (original lyrics).

I will always think of southwest PA when I hear this song.

http://tinyurl.com/26f858s

 

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 18, 2010 10:09 PM (tm15w)

182 The partisans are hilarious!

A few days ago, people are all but celebrating the impending Burns victory and saying how that portends a huge ass-kicking in November.

Now after Burns gets destroyed, those same people (here and elsewhere) are left saying, "he was never going to win in that district anyway"! 

Classic.

Posted by: Dan at May 18, 2010 10:14 PM (LhjwW)

183

@187

Hi Dan.  I can only speak for myself but I never predicted a huge Burns win.  In all honestly, I had noidea who would win.  Did you? 

Let me ask you another question?  Did your 'gina tingle when you voted for Obama?  When he gave one of his many speeches?  Did he get you hot?  Are you a man?  Or are you a liberal, sngle,empowered,BBW posing as one?

Or maybe you are Dan the Union activist?  Dan the Gay activist?  Dan the indoctrinated college student?  Dan the trial lawyer?

Good luck my friend, when the money runs out, and the evil white(or any other color for that matter...race traiters I believe you would call it) capitalists go down, you are screwed.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 18, 2010 10:30 PM (8OTio)

184

Come to think about it, I bet "Dan" will claim to be a reasonable centrist in a world of crazed right wingers.

Are you a centrist Dan?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 18, 2010 10:32 PM (8OTio)

185 1) Unless we win big, I'd almost rather lose. Because Obama will get re-elected in 2012 if congress still sucks. 2) The simplest way to get those losers to vote R is to get the working man's vote. This is not hard, and its good economics and job creatin' too. You just take a list of government spending cuts - and then take 1/2 of the savings and reduce payroll taxes by that much. The other half goes to deficit reduction. "Give a break to the workingman, not Wall Street" brought to you by the GOP. How the Dems gonna fight that?

Posted by: sexypig at May 18, 2010 10:36 PM (sUYyy)

Posted by: newser at May 18, 2010 10:36 PM (39SGJ)

187

I think it's a slow decline, but who knows.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 19, 2010 01:24 AM (8OTio)

I wasn't referring to the electorate but to the process.  I think that the US' fate, as an intact nation, was sealed on Nov 4th, 2008.  The country committed itself to a process, intentionally, that would spell the end of the nation as it has existed.  We saw that being carried out in how The Precedent and the dems raped the federal government and turned it against the citizenry and the very concept of America.  And, while it required the participation fo the dems, they were not the ones that did the damage - much of which is just effectively irreparable.  It was the Indonesian Imbecile and his absolute contempt for our system and our nation, or to put it more Constitutionally, his utter contempt for ourselves and our Posterity. 

The Precedent desired nothing more than to destroy this nation (taking himself down in a suicide run to do it) and, with the neo-pravda media an enthusiastic supporter and promoter of anything he wanted to do, I didn't see the country living through that.  There were a few chances to stop it, the best being the fact that he was ineligible, but there were just too many cowards around to take that one possibility.  That is what we have been witnessing over the past year and a half.

He made it almost impossible to grow out of the monetary disaster and wrecked our legislative processes and faith in our institutions, as well.  There was another slight sign of light shining through, as we killed the health scare over and over and over, but the Indonesian Imbecile's contempt for our system allowed him to push the process far beyond the breaking point, and the dems joined him on the crusade.  At this point, no matter who holds Congress (now a broken institution) it just wouldn't matter.

So, it comes down to the individual states and how they decide to handle this situation. 

You are correct about the pathetically close election in 2004 - Bush should have won by 8 or 10%.  As it was, he only won because he refused to surrender in Iraq - though he refused to fight full force, even after that, as Bush was always scared to kill civilians in war, which any examination of history tells us is always part of war, especially when fighting against a tribal enemies.  But, the fact that America rejected surrender with Kerry was still a shining point of 2004.  After that, though, the shamnesty came and that was the end of the GOP.

But, even so, 2008 was qualitatively different.  An ineligible America-hater who had no American sensibilities, in the least, was voted in, and that was a point of inflection.  A very dark inflection point.  From then, it was just a matter, to me, of seeing how things split up.  That's been my view of developments, adn it hasn't changed, except to be reinforced by the actions of The Precedent, the neo-pravda media and the useful dem idiots in Washington.  This is why Rush wished that The Precedent would fail, I surmise, because that is why I hoped he failed.  But, he didn't.  He got most of his crap through and was able to move policy and foment chaos in many areas.  His retardation didn't even hinder him much, because the useful idiots were so useful. 

So, now we are left to try and manage the free fall in some way that will preserve somethign of the American creed.  I am still optimistic about this - I am a believer in Manifest Destiny for the US, the chosen nation, as it were - but I don't look for it in elections to federal positions.  I look for it in the actions of states.

That's how I see things, at least.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 18, 2010 10:56 PM (Qp4DT)

188 I'm sorry if I confused you with someone else....and now I can't remember who it was...wine and the ONT....lol

Did you mean mystry?

In any case, I do believe that Rosaries count for more in the month of May

Posted by: Filly at May 18, 2010 10:59 PM (dSJW9)

189 -->A few days ago, people are all but celebrating the impending Burns victory

I must have missed that.  Someone stole my newsletter subscription, I guess.  I wish you'd let me know next time.

-->and saying how that portends a huge ass-kicking in November.


Posted by: Dan at May 19, 2010 02:14 AM (LhjwW)

The Dems will be routed in Nov, but it won't make that much of a difference.  The trajectory of the nation has been set.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 18, 2010 11:00 PM (Qp4DT)

190 Even if ol' Blanche had the most votes in this primary, the fact that we even forced a runoff is OUTSTANDING.

And the fact that we're not just rolling in every single district will remind everyone to keep hungry, and take nothing for granted.

Posted by: Filly at May 18, 2010 11:02 PM (dSJW9)

191

@70: "there is no momentum for the GOP"

There never was.  In large part, people hate both parties.  The Dems will lose more because they hold more, but neither party is really connecting with the American people.  Each simply assumes that they are because their polls tell them that people hate the other party more.

Hell, the way that the global economy is going, it really won't matter much anyway.  Whoever wins in 2010/2012 just gets to preside over the collapse.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 18, 2010 11:45 PM (8MuSQ)

192 Uh, read the shit the Democrat ran on. He distanced himself from any of Obama's policies, said he was prolife, against gun control, and that he would have voted against ObamaCare (easy to say, but still: he had to say it). Google "burns critz", and click on the CBS News story: http://tinyurl.com/38gvo8e http://tinyurl.com/24ute4l

Posted by: T at May 18, 2010 11:59 PM (U+cDu)

193 Fk the people in PA-12.  Another asshole commie ran as a "moderate" and the sucked it up.  Some of them will be surprised when he "unexpectedly" votes for every big government commie plan that Obama and Pelosi comes up with.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 12:14 AM (6taRI)

194 Fuck. Fuckity fuck shitty tittie fuckin shit fuck.

Posted by: Brian72 at May 19, 2010 12:35 AM (GNBk5)

195

The Dems are going to run a "Granholm" campaign in 2010 and 2012.

Jenny won reelection easily in 2006, in spite of the fact that the economy was f**king horrible in Michigan. 

Her entire campaign was to attack Dick Devos as an evil businessman who wanted to ship jobs to China.

In dumb-f*ck rust belt states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, this nonsense works like a charm. 

The citizens of my state, Michigan, are so f**king stupid, don't be surprised if they vote Democrat again (for governor).  All it takes is a few ads portraying the Republican as a lackee for big business.   You don't get to be number 50 in employment by being pro-business.

Posted by: stickety at May 19, 2010 01:57 AM (EsWC3)

196 Well, from the opening statements at F&F the spin this morning is "anti-incumbent". This even as the Dem candidates actually ran against the Dems in congress and the WH.

They plan on asking Ron Paul if he is an extreme candidate (as described by the Democrats). So they are repeating the campaign message of the Dems. This will bear watching as Fox has never supported an actual conservative or libertarian candidate.

Will have to see how this plays out. 

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 02:16 AM (6taRI)

197 For what it's worth, I think Dems came out to vote to get rid of Specter an since they were at the polls anyway, voted for Critz in the special election.  That 2:1 registration matters.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at May 19, 2010 02:24 AM (3SS9o)

198 Everyone good lucky.

Posted by: replica shoes at May 19, 2010 05:46 AM (KoAW3)

To you too, dear friend.

Posted by: Guy who talks to spam at May 19, 2010 02:25 AM (Gfm5Z)

199 Bloodbath coming:  http://tinyurl.com/4r2mq

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 19, 2010 02:30 AM (Gfm5Z)

200 Well, I missed most of the Ran Paul interview so I don't know how they led into the question.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 02:30 AM (6taRI)

201

Guys, this district is so gerrymandered its not funny.  Every rebpublican area is cut around so that its nothing but libs.  If I lived another mile one way or the other, I would be able to vote in the 12th, but since too many republicans live in my area, they cut the district line right around us.

If they have to spend any money to keep the seat, its a loss for them.

Posted by: Macho Comacho at May 19, 2010 02:37 AM (yzM6z)

202 That 2:1 registration matters.

Yes, I never had a lot of confidence in the R's taking that district as it is a gerrymandered for a guaranteed Dem win. How else could that supreme douche win after calling his on voters names.

The MFM media spin here in my district, which is also a gerrymandered D district, is that the Dem (Spratt) is in for a tough reelection bid this year.  That is spin for "just in case".

What I find funny (in a bad way) is that in order to find out who the Republican likely candidates are I have to go to a national newspaper. NONE of the local papers, or even Statewide circulation papers,  ever mention the candidates for the Republican side.  They are all in the Dems pockets and they want Spratt to keep his major advantage.

And that is this district is one of those Rorschach blots that spans 14 counties and 3 major media markets.  That makes it tough for new candidates to get a leg up.  So the papers want to make sure they are giving "free publicity" to a Republican.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 02:40 AM (6taRI)

203 arrggg, NOT giving free publicity.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 02:41 AM (6taRI)

204 Another large dead snake.

Posted by: sTevo at May 19, 2010 03:00 AM (zIUsq)

205 #210 - It's the same way in our district, which is predominantly Republican and which has remained Republican for the past 29 years, but which has to contend with the fact that both of the local newspapers and both of our local TV stations, New York Times and ABC affiliates, give huge publicity to Democratic candidates, while giving little attention to Republican candidates, noticeably annoyed that they have little influence on elections.

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 03:02 AM (ITzbJ)

206 Hope Arlen had a good nights sleep...mwahahahahahaaaa.................

Posted by: conscious and saying I hope Arlen Specter and Bob Bennett enjoy their time off at May 19, 2010 03:06 AM (YVZlY)

207 So how is that mainstream GOP thing working out, boys? Nobody voting with Newty and Hucky and Karl and Mike? The mainstream folks situation still not bad enough for the mainstream GOP. There's a surprise.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2010 03:11 AM (w9bVp)

208 What really bothers me is not that the newspapers are biased. Hell, that has ALWAYS been the case since the Republic was founded.  It bothers me that a few conglomerates have bought up all the papers and they ARE ALL in the Democrap pockets.

The local paper here in this little Southern town used to be an independent and conservative paper when I moved here over 30 years ago.  It was bought out by a major chain that owns papers all over the South AND the TV stations around the State.

It immediately shifted to become a PR organ for the State and National Democrap Party.

This used to be illegal in the past. One wonders why it isn't now.  

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 03:12 AM (6taRI)

209 I say, that Allahpundit fellow seems to have his panties twisted. Seems mainstream GOP is just fine with him, and should be good enough for me too, thank you very much. When I want some more lip from him I can scrape it off the mainstream GOP zipper.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2010 03:18 AM (w9bVp)

210 AllahPerezHilton is worried that gal pal Mega McLame's father will be swept up in the anti-incumbent fever since his MFM buds are too busy blasting Governor Jan than paying any attention to his feeble pandering.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2010 03:24 AM (YfeQ4)

211 Even if ol' Blanche had the most votes in this primary, the fact that we even forced a runoff is OUTSTANDING.

Posted by: Filly at May 19, 2010 03:02 AM (dSJW9) 

Blanche significantly underperformed.  The polls had her winning by at least 5, and the final was 43-42.  Early counts had her up 49-37, with 50+1 needed to avoid a runoff. 

Meanwhile, Boozman coasted and will not face a runoff.

Blanche is toast.


Posted by: FUBAR at May 19, 2010 03:32 AM (1fanL)

212 #215 - What is peculiar about our situation here and which I've never seen anywhere else is that although this county and its biggest city bearing the same name collect taxes and distribute the benefits of those taxes evenly throughout the county and to that city, they have somehow gerrymandered that city, alone, to give African-Americans more of a voice in government and more authority, the effects of which are that while the county's cops are real professionals, the city's cops have become gangsters with badges and they're frequently prosecuted by the county's cops and by State Attorneys for a variety of different crimes, and the crime in that city has risen to a hundred times what it is in the county, none of which existed before they provided that accommodation to African-Americans, which makes our situation here kind of a microcosm of where Obama is taking this country..

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 03:35 AM (ITzbJ)

213  . . . the effects of which are that while the county's cops are real professionals, the city's cops have become gangsters with badges . . .

Take your racism elsewhere (ITzbJ)

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 19, 2010 03:47 AM (7+pP9)

214 Take your racism elsewhere (ITzbJ)

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 19, 2010 07:47 AM (7+pP9

 

(_X_)

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 03:47 AM (ITzbJ)

215 He's offering his ass again, Ed.  Looks a bit gaped.

Posted by: damian at May 19, 2010 04:04 AM (4WbTI)

216 #223 - If that's the best that you can do, fool, you might as well go back to bed.

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 04:06 AM (ITzbJ)

217 Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 07:35 AM (ITzbJ)

That probably isn't the results of gerrymandering, but what is called "white flight".  This started occurring in the 60s with the advent of LBJ's great society. The urban areas became more and more liberal and socialist. The people who actually worked for a living and who paid the taxes got fed up with the high taxes inside the city and left for the burbs. Those people more often than not were white while the people who stayed in the city and collected welfare were more often than not black.

So you ultimately wind up with a city with a majority black population and ran by black politicians. Most of these cities are like Detroit. Cesspools of corruption and great experiments for socialist programs which always fail.

If they were not being subsidized by the national taxpayers they would have gone bankrupt long ago. But as long as the Dems control congress and the Republicans are spineless they will be subsidized until the "socialism runs out of other people's money". 

That day is rapidly approaching.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 04:11 AM (6taRI)

218 Vic - combine that with the early-60s court decisions on redistricting that increased the power of the urban districts, and you get the mess we have today.

Posted by: Jean at May 19, 2010 04:31 AM (mtAmx)

219 Too bad about Burns - we on the right need to stop setting up unrealistic expectations for ourselves, though. It figures that any district that would keep a guy like Murtha in office even after he slandered the Marines with wild accusations of mass murder is basically mindless communist, and would not vote otherwise. The same way we overhyped Burns, I'm afraid we're overhyping the idea of winning "70 seats in the House" this November. It would be sweet, but I doubt it's realistic... all we're doing is setting ourselves up for the MSM to diminish our victory if we seize the House with fewer seats won.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 19, 2010 04:39 AM (9IHmo)

220
another stolen election?

Posted by: Scopes, the talking monkey at May 19, 2010 04:40 AM (Szkjn)

221 Hey, spreading the wealth only goes so far in Canada--WITHIN national borders.

Canada will "resist" a bank tax, Canadian Industry Minister Tony Clement announced Tuesday that their position, and the position they promote others to assume with them, is to:  

   "opposed to a tax that would penalize financial institutions that remained strong and prosperous while many of the world's banks failed," Clement with Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon announced at a press conference. 



Posted by: maverick muse at May 19, 2010 04:42 AM (H+LJc)

222 to be or not to be

Posted by: maverick muse at May 19, 2010 04:42 AM (H+LJc)

223 Vic - combine that with the early-60s court decisions on redistricting that increased the power of the urban districts, and you get the mess we have today.

I am not sure the "redistricting" cases had a lot to do with the "Detroitization" of all the urban areas.  There were though a lot of other cases that helped it along. cases like the one in St. Loise where the court ordered huge tax increases and model school building to offset "racial inequities".

But I view that more as an impact of the socialization of the U.S. since the courts were appointed largely by the socialists. We still have that going on now under the guise of section V of the civil rights act which is blatantly unconstitutional and was supposed to have been only a 5 year temporary measure. Over 40 years later it has been extended for another 25 years and the courts have once again upheld it.

We have many school districts that are now effectively ran by the federal courts even though no State sponsored segregation has been around since the 60s.

It was extended because the Republicans are spineless and the Democraps were supporting one of their power blocks.

 

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 04:45 AM (6taRI)

224 The same way we overhyped Burns, I'm afraid we're overhyping the idea of winning "70 seats in the House" this November. It would be sweet, but I doubt it's realistic...

I still predict that unless the Republicans screw up and go back to "big tent" strategies the Repubs will take > 50 seats in the house.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 04:47 AM (6taRI)

225 It's time to start proving that the democrats are the ones that are in bed with any moneyed interest. For example, idiot corrupt wife-beating alcoholic naral islamofunded scumbag Jim Moran is funded by big defence and middle-easterners. His libtard, environ, naive, communist, peacnik red voters have no idea. While they're out buying organic dogfood, he's raking in an actual war chest and then runs as a communist environ scrunt in his gerrymandered, let's keep the nuts in one place, district.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 04:48 AM (HUIx1)

226 Don't dispare Ace.  This district will be gone after this election.  It has bled residents for years now and the White House knows it will be consolidated when the Census is completed.  There is nothing but Red surrounding it, so it should only be held by Critz for 1& 1/4 terms. By 2014 Burns will win what ever seat is there. Burns is a good candidate and he has a bright future in PA politics.  Too bad PA-12 is 2 to 1 dem to rep right now.

Posted by: Marie at May 19, 2010 04:50 AM (GuTKr)

227 Let's remember: PA 12 is an extremely gerrymandered district, created specifically to ensure that a slug anti-American Corrupt Slimeball like Murtha would be guaranteed reelection. I take solace in knowing that right about now Murtha is roasting over an open pit in Hell, next to Teddy.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 19, 2010 04:54 AM (9IHmo)

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 19, 2010 04:55 AM (0fzsA)

229

PA-12

 

Someone explain to me  of what cities/towns/history this district is composed? It's not urban is it? Why is it so 'tard?

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 04:55 AM (HUIx1)

230
I'm hopping mad. If we lose the house race in HI this weekend, I want heads on a stick.

I want Michael Steele gone.

Posted by: Scopes, the talking monkey at May 19, 2010 04:58 AM (tMSKg)

231 White House working furiously to spin this. Should be comical at best.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 04:59 AM (HUIx1)

232
oh, and Sausage McMuffin with egg > Egg McMuffin

Posted by: Scopes, the talking monkey at May 19, 2010 05:03 AM (tMSKg)

233 Is Obama putting Calderon in a tent on the lawn or having an actual state dinner inside? Calderon should be presented with a bill for medical, educational and welfare payments for his citizens instead of some ridiculously named dinner entre, e.g. "tenderloin arugala medallions in apricot compote and Oregon rosemary pesto".

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 05:04 AM (HUIx1)

234 Don't dispare Ace. This district will be gone after this election. It has bled residents for years now and the White House knows it will be consolidated when the Census is completed. There is nothing but Red surrounding it, so it should only be held by Critz for 1& 1/4 terms. By 2014 Burns will win what ever seat is there. Burns is a good candidate and he has a bright future in PA politics. Too bad PA-12 is 2 to 1 dem to rep right now. You do realize that Fast Eddie Rendell will do everything in his power to keep that seat in Democratic hands, don't you? I mean, gerrymandering isn't just for kids anymore....

Posted by: section9 at May 19, 2010 05:05 AM (H6lGz)

235

What a pain in the ass. At least another 6 months with no Bengay.

Posted by: Painsylvania at May 19, 2010 05:05 AM (gbCNS)

236 @239: 239 Is Obama putting Calderon in a tent on the lawn or having an actual state dinner inside? Calderon should be presented with a bill for medical, educational and welfare payments for his citizens instead of some ridiculously named dinner entre, e.g. "tenderloin arugala medallions in apricot compote and Oregon rosemary pesto". "BADGES! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES!"

Posted by: section9 at May 19, 2010 05:06 AM (H6lGz)

237 hogan scarpe wholesale jordan shoes cole haan air conner handbags wholesale chanel borse donna

Posted by: hogan scarpe at May 19, 2010 05:10 AM (2C88Y)

238 Those racists should be letting anyone that wants to climb the white house fence into the state dinner. If they can get over or under the fence they should be given a free meal and a free doctor and if a woman gets over and then gives birth the child should be able to live in the white house forever.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 05:11 AM (HUIx1)

239 I would confidently predict huge Republican victories in November, except they're, you know, Republicans.

Posted by: Bugler at May 19, 2010 05:12 AM (VXBR1)

240

Someone explain to me  of what cities/towns/history this district is composed? It's not urban is it? Why is it so 'tard?

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 08:55 AM (HUIx1)

Read upthread -- there's a pretty good discussion of the district's history. In a nutshell: steel, unions, failing steel industry replaced with pork. It's a socially conservative fiscally liberal district, much like the one I live in. My Dem congressman is pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment (he couldn't get elected otherwise) but votes yes for every spending bill and tax raise. Poor, stupid people really, really like free stuff from the gubmint.

Also add a large elderly population living on Soc Security and pensions.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 19, 2010 05:13 AM (7+pP9)

241

Michelle Obama and Mrs. Zavala will visit an elementary school in the Maryland suburbs of Washington with students from Central and South America on Wednesday morning. That is the picture of the day the East Wing wants.

Is the WH confused about where Mexico is located?

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 05:17 AM (HUIx1)

242 Also add a large elderly population living on Soc Security and pensions.

IOW a district full of people who don't pay taxes so they have no skin in the game.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 05:20 AM (6taRI)

243

"The Democrat leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, has scheduled a vote on Sen. Dodd's so-called financial reform bill, S. 3217, the Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010, for Wednesday, May 19th!   The Democrats need 60 votes to pass this procedural motion known as "cloture." Nearly every page of Senator Dodd's 1400 page financial regulation bill aims to increase the scope of government.   Section 1013 ((b)(2)), on page 1213, establishes guidelines for the creation of ACORN-type organizations to recruit risky loan applicants.   Title 10 creates a new agency, the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, that will "use the data on branches and [individual and personal] deposit accounts...for any purpose." Never before has the federal government actively sought to aggregate data on every single personal and business financial transaction in the U.S.   This bill provides Big Business and Wall Street with the tools to regulate all consumers' purchasing behavior.   Most important, this bill does nothing to address Fannie and Freddie - rather, Title 12 of this bill makes permanent the failed lending policies that caused their collapse.   This month alone, Fannie and Freddie are asking for $19 billion in taxpayer bailouts!"

Tell you senator to vote no. 



Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 19, 2010 05:28 AM (0fzsA)

244

JohnstownÂ’s citizens mobilized to achieve a permanent solution to the flooding problem and wrote to President Franklin Roosevelt pleading for Federal aid. Starting in August 1938, continuing for the next five years, the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers gouged widened, deepened, and realigned 9.2 miles of channel in the city, and encased the river banks in concrete and reinforced steel.

FDR "saved" them. Case closed.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 05:30 AM (HUIx1)

245
I like this quote.

But Arlen Specter surrendered the power he built for himself — and his state — when he handed his reputation over to Barack Obama.

-KJL

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 19, 2010 05:35 AM (0fzsA)

246

You do realize that Fast Eddie Rendell will do everything in his power to keep that seat in Democratic hands, don't you?

I mean, gerrymandering isn't just for kids anymore....

 

When does the redistricting happen? Rendell is done as of January, and it looks like we'll have a Pub gov.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at May 19, 2010 05:43 AM (YmPwQ)

247
hahaha, Beck and his sidekick are on a roll.

Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 05:45 AM (x9okW)

248

Angry voters or voter anger

Seems to the popular headlines today. Funny when libs win it's always for positive reasons but conservatives or Republicans only win due to anger

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2010 05:45 AM (1Jaio)

249 It's a rotten borough!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 19, 2010 05:47 AM (SB0V2)

250 You do realize that Fast Eddie Rendell will do everything in his power to keep that seat in Democratic hands, don't you?

I mean, gerrymandering isn't just for kids anymore....

Posted by: section9 at May 19, 2010 09:05 AM

Rendell's term ends this year.  He can't run again for 4 years, so I imagine he'll be hoping for some kind of job.  He may not care any more, he's one selfish politico.  But I wonder if Obama will be interested in giving such an ardent Hillary backer any position in his admin.  That all said,  things look fairly good for Corbett the Repub governor candidate.. 

Posted by: Deanna at May 19, 2010 05:48 AM (oflVV)

251

but conservatives or Republicans only win due to anger

Yeah, because no one was pissed at Bush, McCain, or Nixon

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 05:49 AM (HUIx1)

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 19, 2010 05:56 AM (0fzsA)

253 Beck is going to read the arizona bill and he is going to create an audio book for the lawmakers.  Geez, after this if they say they haven't read it, they are just plain dumb.

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 05:59 AM (p302b)

254
It's gonna be funny to see some of the anti-Paul turds on AoS jump on the Rand Paul bandwagon now that he's a) a winner, and b) has the balls to take the fight directly to Barack Obama.


Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 06:02 AM (x9okW)

255 I slung on my warrior firearm and led the Retired Black Panthers to win this one for my homeboy Critz.

Posted by: Dicky Denzel Blumenthal at May 19, 2010 06:02 AM (gbCNS)

256

They have read it. They have to say they haven't read it so that they can continue to misrepresent it. I can't believe anyone is falling for that shit. Or they haven't read it and have no intention of reading it because they don't want to know what is in it.

Back at Bush v. Gore, all the idiots insisted that the opinion was 4 to 5. The decision was 7 to 2, but the remedy was 4 to 5. I always asked, did you read it? The answer was always no because they didn't want to know or they couldn't read, maybe. Idiots.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 06:06 AM (HUIx1)

257 Wait, so Beck is saying the WH is censoring the celebrity chef from Chicago from talking about the meal he/sh is preparing for the state dinner?   Because we are having hard times and all that so Beck says they are still living lavishly but they don't want the guy to talk about it????

I remember feeling bad for George and Laura.  The left/dems made it almost impossible for them to entertain so I think they just gave up.   And then, they claimed the WH would come alive with the BO's since the Bush were just not social....another instance of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't....the bushes should have just entertained the way they wanted to and ignored the left like BO ignores everyone.

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:06 AM (p302b)

258 did you notice the DOJ lawyer who had that black panther case just quit...I posted the link in some thread, can't remember which one or where it was....but he/she quit....

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:08 AM (p302b)

259
I'll say this about Specter: he's not as much of a shit-heel as Charlie Crist.

Specter didn't hesitate for a minute to support Sestak.

Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 06:09 AM (x9okW)

260

265
It's gonna be funny to see some of the anti-Paul turds on AoS jump on the Rand Paul bandwagon now that he's a) a winner, and b) has the balls to take the fight directly to Barack Obama.


Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 10:02 AM (x9okW)

If Rand is as nuts as Ron I'll still mock him. The good thing about his victory is that it sends a message to the rest of the GOP that they need to grow a pair.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 19, 2010 06:09 AM (7+pP9)

261 hmm....the bill is in some foreign language....."legalese"...

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:09 AM (p302b)

262 So how come no one mentions that Burns was also running a primary campaign for the fall election against the guy who ran against Murtha the last time?
The loss is disappointing, but maybe by November the party will be united behind one candidate.

Posted by: Dick The Snorkel Blumenthal at May 19, 2010 06:11 AM (9221z)

263
It'll also be fun to hear what John McCain says in the next few days because you just know he's shitting bricks, right now.

My guess: the first thing McCain will do is become a harsh critic of Kagan.

Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 06:13 AM (x9okW)

264 265
It's gonna be funny to see some of the anti-Paul turds on AoS jump on the Rand Paul bandwagon now that he's a) a winner, and b) has the balls to take the fight directly to Barack Obama.


Posted by: Count Chocula at May 19, 2010 10:02 AM (x9okW)

 

I might be wrong, but my understanding of that situation leads me to suspect that you're comparing apples to oranges there, like, for example. I read or heard somewhere that, unlike his father, Rand isn't opposed to our participation in NATO, and he isn't an isolationist either, and their other ideas on foreign policies differ, also. It's only on domestic policies that their views are somewhat similar.

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 06:15 AM (ITzbJ)

265 I know this is too much to ask, but Arlen needs to consider that the republicans elected him over and over. It was the democrats that didn't vote for him and Obama who abandoned him.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 06:15 AM (HUIx1)

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 19, 2010 06:16 AM (fx8sm)

267 I wonder if Beck will win an award for his Arizona immigration bill?   Can you see it..."and for his reading of the recently implemented Arizona immigration law in audio book form"...."the winner is Glenn Beck".....

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:16 AM (p302b)

268 There have been two tings that have held back Ron Paul from support from normal small government conservatives.

First his idiotic foreign policy which is the biggest drawback and second....

The insane responses of his supporters who do nothing but harm his reputation.

I see that that is still holding up. The best thing the Paul-Bots can do to help Rand Paul is keep their damn mouths shut.

Right now Rand Paul doesn't appear to have all the same idiotic policy ideas that Ron Paul has.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 06:16 AM (6taRI)

269 this could open up a whole new world for Beck.  What's next?  The health care bill?  Cap and tax?  the legislation to control WS?   Think of the possibilities people....it's huge....

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:18 AM (p302b)

270 One wonders if we are going to get a headlines post this morning?

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 06:18 AM (6taRI)

271 Gold wakes up, shits the bed. zerohedge hardest hit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 19, 2010 06:19 AM (u+34p)

272 I know you say the foreign policy is idiotic but if you are online in the food store with normal people all they say is they are tired of holding up the rest of the world and fixing everything in the rest of the world.  To them it is rather simplistic....fix America first and then, if you want, in small doses, interact with the rest of the world.

I know it isn't what is ideal but it is how regular folks feel....to them fix America first is a non negotiable item that is truly a no brainer...

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:21 AM (p302b)

273 There's still hope.  As soon as the "maverick Adminral" gets to Washington, Nancy Pelosi will hold a come-to-Jesus meeting with him, and his voting record (and probably his oral outgivings) will be indistiinguishable from those of the late, lamented John Murtha. 

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at May 19, 2010 06:23 AM (PZLW0)

274 I think our chances of winning this race were slim from the beginning. Dems had a big state-wide primary to bring people to the polls, the winner only serves 6 months, and while the district did go for McCain, it also went for Gore and Kerry, and is heavily democratic.  The McCain vote was more than likely related to Bambsters bitter-clinger comments, and as Murtha said they're all racists.

Posted by: Dunkirk at May 19, 2010 06:24 AM (kbHJ6)

275 251 

JohnstownÂ’s citizens mobilized to achieve a permanent solution to the flooding problem and wrote to President Franklin Roosevelt pleading for Federal aid. Starting in August 1938, continuing for the next five years, the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers gouged widened, deepened, and realigned 9.2 miles of channel in the city, and encased the river banks in concrete and reinforced steel.

FDR "saved" them. Case closed.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 09:30 AM (HUIx1)

And yet the city flooded again in 1977 and 38 people were killed. The city was built in a narrow valley, almost a gorge. The landscape was built for flooding. And people live in it voluntarily.  Interestingly, I noticed that the smart ones tended to come from the surrounding hills.

I think people in Johnstown, including the geezers, are at best only dimly aware of who FDR was.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 19, 2010 06:24 AM (tm15w)

276 I've even had people say to me "look on the airlines they tell you to put your oxygen mask on first and then your child's or anyone you are traveling with who needs assistance....well, this is the same concept, why can't you get this?  Fix America first".....I have to say, they are passionate about it, stick up for strangers feeling the same thing and look at me like I'm from outer space....

Posted by: curious at May 19, 2010 06:24 AM (p302b)

277 Rand Paul interview on "Anti-War Radio" last May: 
http://tinyurl.com/y68l52k

Posted by: Y-not at May 19, 2010 06:24 AM (Kn9r7)

278

are at best only dimly aware of who FDR was.

It's really a shame that they eliminated the literacy requirements for voting.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 06:28 AM (HUIx1)

279 Didn't really know anything about Paul and Grayson till Medved had Grayson on his show.

Grayson did poorly on the radio, if I lived in that district it would have convinced me to vote for Paul.

Posted by: John Galt at May 19, 2010 06:30 AM (F/4zf)

280

It's really a shame that they eliminated the literacy requirements for voting.

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 10:28 AM (HUIx1)

¿Qué?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 19, 2010 06:32 AM (tm15w)

281 296 

Oh good God.

Mexican President Calderon rips Arizona immigration law at opening remakrs of state visit.

Expect Obama to apologize for it in 5, 4, 3, 2,.........

Posted by: Darth Mallamutt at May 19, 2010 10:32 AM (OWjjx)

Calderon walked onto the scene knowing in advance that a diatribe against his hosts would be accepted, even welcomed.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 19, 2010 06:34 AM (tm15w)

282

NOW BRING ME THE GAVEL HEAD OF NANCY PELOSI!

Posted by: Darth Mallamutt at May 19, 2010 10:23 AM (OWjjx)



FIFY

Posted by: Kirk at May 19, 2010 06:35 AM (erIg9)

283 Mexican President Calderon rips Arizona immigration law at opening remakrs of state visit.

Of course, that is why he is here at Obumbles invitation. He can ript the law, demand amnesty and do all of that without directly involvement the Dems and Obama.

And he hasn't read the bill either.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2010 06:36 AM (6taRI)

284 "Someone explain to me  of what cities/towns/history this district is composed? It's not urban is it? Why is it so 'tard?"

All you need to know is this district voted for John McCain in 2008 and the Democrats won it this year.

Viva la revolution!




Posted by: snapdragon at May 19, 2010 06:40 AM (5Etcj)

285 In Ohio, Obama says his policies have created jobs. Is that true?

A year later, this January, the prevailing view among 50 economists surveyed by USA Today was that the Obama stimulus succeeded in saving many jobs. Unemployment would have hit 10.8 percent without the Recovery Act, according to their median estimate. The difference would translate into another 1.2 million lost jobs, USA Today said.

Even granting the jobs saved, which I don't, or the not to exceed 8% claim down the memory hole, isn't that something like 650k per job "saved"?

Great job, Barry.

Posted by: damian at May 19, 2010 06:40 AM (4WbTI)

286 A Democratically held seat held by the Democrats.  It's a harbinger I tells ya.

Posted by: schnappsdagon at May 19, 2010 06:42 AM (4WbTI)

287

Mexican President Calderon rips Arizona immigration law at opening remakrs of state visit.

Expect Obama to apologize for it in 5, 4, 3, 2,.........

Posted by: Darth Mallamutt at May 19, 2010 10:32 AM (OWjjx)

Maybe he was just reading off of Barry's teleprompter

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2010 06:43 AM (1Jaio)

288 #282 - I read or heard a long time ago that Ron Paul was heavily influenced by Pat Buchanan's run for the presidency back in the early 1980's; a campaign that was based more on trashing G.H.W. Bush than on advocating coherent positions on foreign and domestic policies, and I suspect that Ross Perot influenced Ron Paul's positions on issues, too. Compared to Pat Buchanan, though, Ron Paul is a moderate on all issues. 

Posted by: Good riddance to that pos, Spector, but we still have to contend with that pos, Sestak at May 19, 2010 06:46 AM (ITzbJ)

289
200:  You don't get to be number 50 57 in employment by being pro-business.

FIFY

Posted by: CaRedneknSC at May 19, 2010 06:47 AM (cbuee)

290 @306
1.  GW Bush is roundly criticized on this site for his weakness on illegal immigration. 
2.  GW Bush is retired.

Posted by: Y-not at May 19, 2010 06:49 AM (Kn9r7)

291 the bushes should have just entertained the way they wanted to and ignored the left like BO ignores everyone

I really think they did entertain the way they wanted.  They are just not hobnobby, party people.  I remember that W would leave Kennedy Center performances early because he had a strict 10 PM bedtime, because, for all the second-term dancing to the left he did, he understood what it was like to have a fucking JOB.

Mexican President Calderon rips Arizona immigration law at opening remakrs of state visit.

Well, goodness me, that means he's just ripping the federal law right in front of the chief executive, isn't he?

I am so sick of the purposeful misunderstanding of this law.

Posted by: Filly at May 19, 2010 07:00 AM (dSJW9)

292 OK, here we go: Politico is pushing the idea that just because Burns didn't win the most anti-American, gerrymandered district full of pinko misfits in the country, "maybe the Democrats aren't as bad off as thought." SO predictable.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 19, 2010 07:19 AM (9IHmo)

293

This was one guy losing to another guy in one gerrymandered Dem-held district.  To place too much importance on it as a Republican vs Democrat bellweather is a mistake.

Republican candidates aren't going to win every race; nor do they need to- enough to take back the House by a solid margin will be enough to put the brakes on the Obama / Pelosi failtrain.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 19, 2010 07:24 AM (plsiE)

294

PA-12   [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Kathryn, I can't agree. For months now people have been predicting a Republican, or at least anti-Democratic, wave this year. That prediction, if true, should translate into Republicans' picking up open seats in socially conservative, McCain-voting districts. That it didn't happen suggests that we might get only a wavelet.

Posted by: Dan at May 19, 2010 07:27 AM (LhjwW)

295

The republicans should come out with a new immigration policy.

1) Seal the border.

2) All who are currently here illegally must register within 1 year.

3) All new registrants must wait 20 years before being allowed to vote.( They did break federal law by being illegal, this is their punishment)

4) They must pay taxes.

5) If they commit a felony, they will be deported.

6) Anyone who is here illegally after the close of registration will be imprisoned for at least 1 year, then deported with no chance ever of returning legally.

7) Anyone found employing illegal immigrants will face a mandatory $1 million fine per worker.

Posted by: RNC sucks too at May 19, 2010 07:31 AM (DYJjQ)

296 Democrats are going to pick up every seat they don't already have in November.  Isn't that right, snapdragon?

Posted by: Dan (no my last name is not Rather!) at May 19, 2010 07:38 AM (VDgKF)

297 309 I don't care what Bush did with Fox. However, I bet when the mexican president said, "Americans are a bunch of racist assholes", Bush didn't reply, "Yeah, they are."

Posted by: dagny at May 19, 2010 07:41 AM (HUIx1)

298 Rand (good looking)....You have got to be kidding...that birds nest on top of his head, that has got to go....

Posted by: non_dhimmie at May 19, 2010 07:58 AM (zACGu)

299

Living in the 12th (or right next to it), I can tell you Russell's ads didnt mention Burns, he stayed away from damaging him for this special election.  That being said, the dems GOTV had sometime to vote for with Sestak vs Spector.  Critz ran as a republican (don't they all), but his record is going to be up for discussion next time around.

Like I said before, if the dems have to spend money here, they lose.

Posted by: Macho Comacho at May 19, 2010 08:30 AM (HfXRl)

300 Given how Blue Doggy and Boll Weevily Critz presented himself, and given how skewed this district is, this isn't really a loss.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 19, 2010 09:13 AM (ujg0T)

301 That's "Critz", Ace.

Posted by: منتديات at May 19, 2010 06:15 PM (RMzgq)

Posted by: dfcvbcb at May 19, 2010 08:13 PM (n2yDq)

303 test

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 21, 2010 06:06 PM (Df4NA)

304 test 1234

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 21, 2010 06:14 PM (Df4NA)

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