September 01, 2010
— Gabriel Malor Above the Post Recap & Review:
That went pretty well. Fiorina made a good introduction to the people of California. Unfortunately, this won't make a big dent in the polls; there was no knock-out punch from either candidate. Mostly because Fiorina didn't try and because Boxer, though she was picking at Fiorina's HP days like mad, couldn't land a solid hit.
Things I didn't know about Fiorina before the debate: She supports the DREAM Act, but not "amnesty." She wants to repeal Roe v. Wade and return to a state-by-state, "let the voters decide" approach to abortion. She wants to repeal DADT. She refused to take a stand on Prop 23, which would overturn California's greenhouse gas emissions scheme.
As I wrote on twitter, she will have made progress with Latinos and independents. But she will lose ground with women. Boxer is going to exploit the heck out of that with paid media in the next two months. Boxer is going to need somebody to turn out to vote, since Democratic voters are generally going to be demoralized, and it's going to be the feminist dog whistle all the way.
I'm disappointed that Fiorina let so many opportunities to hit back on jobs go by. She had a tendency to get caught up in the weeds, drifting around the general area of the issue and spitting out plenty of factoids, but never just spelling it out. Well, okay, she spelled it out once when she said "cut the regulations, cut the taxes and jobs will come." But then she got tangled in talk about "TARP Jr." and "TARP Sr." that probably lost a lot of viewers. And she never came back to that simple message: "you want jobs to come back to California? Cut taxes, cut regulation." My impression was that she was over-prepared on this and thought she had to regurgitate every last factoid she'd memorized. It was the wrong approach.
On the other hand, Boxer certainly said nothing to recommend herself for another six years. She said what Democrats have always said: raise taxes, ban guns, bailouts for teachers, and money for green jobs. Nothing that would really give the idea that she has a plan to salvage the California economy. When it came to economics, she only attacked Fiorina for her time at HP and reminisced about the "good old days" when President Clinton ran a surplus. (Unmentioned by Boxer, of course, is that during those good old days, there was a Republican Congress.)
Also Boxer might have hurt herself with some independents because she lectured patronizingly that sometimes it's right for judges to overturn the will of the people. It did not make for pleasant television.
Finally, though she probably hoped to lay the "Ma'am" fiasco to rest, I doubt her answer will satisfy everyone. Boxer said it was a formal hearing and she wanted the general to call her by her formal title. Fiorina did the classy thing and let it go.
All in all, a wash, I think. But it's the opening gambit for the next series of paid media attacks. Boxer has hardly begun on that front. Fiorina now has to shift from her primary election strategy to the general election.
Original Post is Tucked Below: At 7pm Pacific, Carly Fiorina will face Barbara Boxer for a 60-minute televised debate. If you're interested, it will be on C-SPAN, the Chronicle's website, or watch it below the fold (assuming this gizmo plays when the debate starts).
I'll be live-tweeting the debate at @gabrielmalor.
While we're waiting for that to get kicking, Barbara Boxer's foot-in-mouth fib about Condi Rice is recounted in the arch-conservative pages of...the San Francisco Chronicle???
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Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 04:04 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 04:07 PM (lV4Fs)
3 I really, really, really hope Fiorina makes her look foolish. I hope we can get ads out of it. I hope she doesnt gaffe.
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 08:04 PM (lV4Fs)
Unless Fiorina forgets her brain in the icebox, it's a given.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2010 04:08 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2010 04:09 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Michelle Malkin Sockpuppet at September 01, 2010 04:12 PM (uLoHz)
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 04:12 PM (1AnxB)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 04:14 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2010 04:14 PM (eRjGt)
She should call her Ma'am, and smile about it very subtly until Boxer explodes
Hells no. An enormous shit-eatin' grin is warranted with that line. It'll push Boxer to spittle in less than 10 minutes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 01, 2010 04:16 PM (P9+0W)
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Ace Commenter-Go Rays!) at September 01, 2010 04:17 PM (uLoHz)
Also, intellectually accurate.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 01, 2010 04:18 PM (NvFZs)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2010 04:18 PM (kq1lG)
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 04:19 PM (1AnxB)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at September 01, 2010 04:20 PM (a5ljo)
Alex,
He did that? That's awesome.
Yup. Even better he referred to her as "ma'am" and had a campaign person play the "don't call me ma'am" clip.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2010 04:20 PM (eRjGt)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at September 01, 2010 04:22 PM (a5ljo)
Stupid and corrupt are the usual benchmarks.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 01, 2010 04:26 PM (K585M)
1. You have to allow a qualifier--she is a California Democrat.
2. And is therefore alternately incoherent, wilfully stupid or hypcritical by definition.
3. She is therefore qualified to be a Democratic U.S. Senator from California.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 01, 2010 04:27 PM (NvFZs)
Posted by: Albino Redwood at September 01, 2010 04:29 PM (XaxHG)
Posted by: Tom Foley at September 01, 2010 04:29 PM (SwkdU)
Barbara Boxer's foot-in-mouth fib about Condi Rice is recounted in the arch-conservative pages of...the San Francisco Chronicle???
Fact-checking is racist.
Posted by: The Boxer Campaign at September 01, 2010 04:30 PM (kygI6)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 04:31 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: cali grump at September 01, 2010 04:35 PM (1tJr/)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 04:37 PM (bAySe)
Ok, I need to practice one more time.
"I'm not a commie. I'm not a commie. I'm not a commie".
There, I'm ready.
Posted by: Babs Boxer at September 01, 2010 04:40 PM (554T5)
Voting here seems like it's futile most of the time. CA GOP is the most worthless organization on the planet. But I'll vote for the Devil himself just to kick Ma'am Boxer out on her ass.
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at September 01, 2010 04:41 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Massachusetts GOP at September 01, 2010 04:43 PM (SwkdU)
Value can be recovered. The destruction of the brand as something special was an even worse crime. Brands that have been severely compromised rarely ever recover that lost stature in buyer's minds.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 01, 2010 04:44 PM (K585M)
7 pm Pacific? Isn't that, like, tomorrow sometime?
Posted by: Rocketeer67 at September 01, 2010 04:44 PM (ncfDt)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 04:44 PM (WZFkG)
Posted by: gus at September 01, 2010 04:44 PM (Vqruj)
Except all of our choices are like that. If we nuked SF, Berkley and Sacramento from orbit, CA would be much, much better.
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at September 01, 2010 04:46 PM (gofDd)
Sponge Bob/Capt Crunch would trounce Obama/Anybody in 2012.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 01, 2010 04:46 PM (K585M)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 04:46 PM (9cflz)
How have those MORON TWINS worked out in Maine.
Pains me to have to damit this, but better than the sure-fire alternative, I can tell you.
Posted by: Rocketeer67 at September 01, 2010 04:47 PM (ncfDt)
Wanna arm wrestle for the check?
Posted by: Massachusetts GOP at September 01, 2010 08:43 PM (SwkdU)
Ahem.
Posers.
Posted by: UN Human Rights Commission at September 01, 2010 04:47 PM (NvFZs)
Posted by: Massachusetts GOP, choosing the wrong fight at September 01, 2010 04:47 PM (SwkdU)
Well the ultimate expression of gravity are Black Holes so yeah, racist!
Posted by: Commissioner John Wiley Price at September 01, 2010 04:48 PM (iN69M)
Posted by: Global Warming at September 01, 2010 04:50 PM (9cflz)
Carly at worst is a Scott Brown; if what she's saying now during the campaign is true, she'll be a Mitch McConnell Repub
OTOH, Boxer is a crazy lying POS full-blown hard core Lib wackjob and one of the worst persons ever to walk more-or-less erect on earth
tough choice, eh?
stop whining and donate time and money, and vote R
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 01, 2010 04:51 PM (dPcmp)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 04:52 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 04:53 PM (9cflz)
I'll be in my bunk...
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 08:44 PM (WZFkG)
Bolton should be the Secretary of State. Why would you waste him as Veep?
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 04:55 PM (5UP6n)
We can't be stubborn; half a cup is better than nothing, the Reagan philosophy. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 04:56 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 04:56 PM (9cflz)
Alex,
He did that? That's awesome.
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 01, 2010 08:15 PM (uCjoj)
The fact that you never heard about it proves that it wasn't all that awesome. Awesome would have been if it had been seen everywhere.
Perhaps he should have put a DemonSheep in the box.
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 04:58 PM (5UP6n)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 04:59 PM (9cflz)
Boxer will come off nasty, groping to identify with people. Boxer sounds like she's bullshitting all the time. She seems like she's masking a 24/7 intense demeanor. She has to force herself to smile. She seems like a hag.
Fiornia has an easy smile and a charisma Boxer can't match. And she never sounds like she's bullshitting. She seems cool.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 04:59 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 08:44 PM (WZFkG)
If she runs and wins the nomination, she'll pick a retired General or Admiral. Bank on it.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 01, 2010 05:00 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at September 01, 2010 08:46 PM (gofDd)
Naw, we ought to give the residents of SF and Berkeley UN passports to make them the Citizens of the World that they long to be... and thus make them ineligible to vote in statewide elections.
But nuking Sacramento might be a really good idea.
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 05:00 PM (5UP6n)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 05:01 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 08:44 PM (WZFkG)
Flip the order and you got my vote
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 05:02 PM (c1oyg)
66 Did the HP chick win the primary? If so she is the candidate.
Exactly. People talk as if you either have to disown Fiorina in CA or else disown Miller, Angle, et al.
Not so. All these candidates won free primary elections.
Posted by: Ken at September 01, 2010 05:03 PM (ftfkn)
Posted by: Admiral Stockdale at September 01, 2010 05:05 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 05:05 PM (WZFkG)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 08:59 PM (9cflz)
Why is this so difficult for people to understand? We don't have time machines that allowed us to go back and re-run the primary over and over until we got the result we wanted. And we in California should be profoundly grateful that we have Fiorina and not DemonSheep Campbell.
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 05:06 PM (5UP6n)
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 05:07 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at September 01, 2010 05:07 PM (9cflz)
Please remember the fallen and their families in your prayers.
Thank you.
Posted by: mama winger at September 01, 2010 05:08 PM (KDX07)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 05:08 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at September 01, 2010 05:08 PM (WZFkG)
Boxer has spent the last 10 years NOT debating, not doing anything but coasting. She has only spoken to those unfortunate people who were hauled before whatever committee she was sitting on, and she badgered them with her idiotic opinions while they had to sit there and take it. She is arrogant to the max.
I know who I think will win.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 05:10 PM (bixjr)
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at September 01, 2010 05:11 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 05:12 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 05:13 PM (c1oyg)
Boxer radiates self-importance. Confidence is one thing. Fiorina seems confident. But a billboard on your forehead that says "Yes, I am a powerful Senator" is ugly.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 05:15 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 09:12 PM (9cflz)
Who, McChrystal? He's most likely a Democrat.
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 05:15 PM (5UP6n)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 01, 2010 05:15 PM (9cflz)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 05:15 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 09:13 PM (c1oyg)
So you only want Presidential candidates from Texas and Florida?
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 05:16 PM (5UP6n)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 05:17 PM (0hqOl)
If you were the owner of a brasier shop, would you want her in your store?
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 01, 2010 09:08 PM (uCjoj)
True.
His other line in similar fashion was something about Schumer working as an accountant.
I think it's a NY Jewish thing with Savage. Him growing up there and all.
A little Savage goes a long way, but he can be pretty creative when he isn't being a bombastic, attention seeking dick.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 05:19 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 09:13 PM (c1oyg)
So you only want Presidential candidates from Texas and Florida?
If my alternatives are New York and Massachusetts, absolutely.
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 05:19 PM (c1oyg)
If my alternatives are New York and Massachusetts, absolutely.
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 01, 2010 09:19 PM (c1oyg)
Conservative is good. Governor is good. Two terms is good. A larger state is good. But it's hard to combine all four except in Florida and Texas. (We used to be able to elect conservative Governors here in California, but it's been a while.)
Now, what of Wilson (as in Pete Wilson, the conservative two-term governor of California) on the ticket?
Posted by: stuiec at September 01, 2010 05:30 PM (5UP6n)
Boxer and Santorum went at over the subject of "When is a born baby an actual baby?". The wiggling feet debate.
part 1
http://is.gd/eQjMV
part 2
http://is.gd/eQjQR
Posted by: wtfci at September 01, 2010 05:38 PM (R4rMI)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at September 01, 2010 05:47 PM (UtoLw)
She was endorsed by Sarah Palin. She may "grow" after a couple of terms, but shit you Californians should *wish* you had that problem. After her bout with breast cancer the whole Obamacare death panel thing is pretty personal, meaning we can count on her for the one fight without which nothing else matters.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 05:48 PM (DfAwB)
Posted by: PJ at September 01, 2010 06:00 PM (Fyjeu)
Will Carly call Babs 'Ma'am'?
Will Cali survive until Carly and Meg can take it back to the 'middle way' h/t Buddha.
hang on as we go LIVE!
Posted by: mim/ginaswo at September 01, 2010 06:00 PM (GMlZJ)
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 06:02 PM (DfAwB)
3 liberal questioners? Sounds about right for California.
Boxer is standing on her kiddie stool to look like a normal sized adult.
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:05 PM (rMMMP)
I can barely stand to look at that old hag. What a pathetic peice of work. And she goes into attack mode immediately.
Wall Street. Wall Street!
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:05 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:06 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:06 PM (qhdz6)
Wait, wait, don't you mean tax increases.
Posted by: Steny Hoyer at September 01, 2010 06:07 PM (pOgEW)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:10 PM (kUEkq)
Boxer throws out a bunch of dim bulb things she's passed. (All of which favor unions and are SPENDING bills.)
Now Boxer sounds like a moron. Boxer brags about not supporting the war.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 06:10 PM (bixjr)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 06:10 PM (bixjr)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 10:10 PM (kUEkq)
Yep.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 01, 2010 06:11 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 10:10 PM (kUEkq)
Big time.
I loved the first when did you stop beating your wife question.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:11 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 10:11 PM (PA722)
Were you the guy that had the great Chrissie takedown this morning?
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:12 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 01, 2010 06:13 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:14 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 10:13 PM (PA722)
Not at all. I brought it up, not you. Heh.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:14 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:15 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 06:15 PM (bixjr)
Posted by: Y-not at September 01, 2010 06:15 PM (osFsP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:15 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:16 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Frank G at September 01, 2010 06:16 PM (4X0aT)
"I love the military in a very personal way?"
Um, did she actually just say that?
Oh yes. I believe she did.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 01, 2010 06:16 PM (+Yv6G)
(in reality, I was on a pudding high. Who knew that you could absorb sugar through your nutsack?)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:16 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:17 PM (rMMMP)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:17 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:17 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:19 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: StrangernFiction at September 01, 2010 06:19 PM (pOgEW)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 10:16 PM (PA722)
Well it was excellent. Props.
Ahh the martyr complex. What a fighter.
Will this shipping jobs overseas/ wall street/ evil private sector schtick play this year? Even in Cali?
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:19 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:20 PM (rMMMP)
National Right to Life endorsed Carly. This was part of Sarah's pitch.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 06:21 PM (DfAwB)
Boxer couldn't even find those countries that Carly just listed on a map if her life depended on it.
Posted by: laceyunderalls not knowing the context but wanting to chime in and pile on at September 01, 2010 06:21 PM (+Yv6G)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:22 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:22 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 06:22 PM (1AnxB)
How does her hair look?
Posted by: Y-not at September 01, 2010 06:23 PM (osFsP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:23 PM (0hqOl)
I think Carly is doin alright. She sounds competent. I've got a bad angle on the TV so I can't see body language very well though.
I think competence plays well this year.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:24 PM (qhdz6)
Then he tells her to STFU so Boxer can beat her up on salary?
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:24 PM (PA722)
wow that was a terrific answer from Carly defending her record at HP
she's getting a lot better as she goes
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:24 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:25 PM (rMMMP)
Posted by: Frank G at September 01, 2010 06:25 PM (4X0aT)
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 06:26 PM (1AnxB)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:27 PM (iyvmV)
I bet Boxer is an asshole IRL. The kind of neighbor who rags out your kids from across the hedge. "You kids are laughing too loud."
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:27 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Y-not at September 01, 2010 10:23 PM (osFsP)
Like I said, strong, but not in a butchy way 
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 06:27 PM (1AnxB)
Posted by: yambles at September 01, 2010 06:27 PM (rxaXW)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:28 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:28 PM (rMMMP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:29 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: phreshone at September 01, 2010 06:29 PM (1AnxB)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:29 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:32 PM (rMMMP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:32 PM (0hqOl)
I have 500 bills that I worked with Republicans......You fucking 'rat bastard, you have a lifetime ACU of like 3.
Posted by: StrangernFiction at September 01, 2010 06:32 PM (pOgEW)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:32 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:32 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: yambles at September 01, 2010 06:33 PM (rxaXW)
Boxer: Because HP grinds them into outsourced jobs.
Miss Fiorina, Why did HP Grind up kittehs?
Fiorina: Because the senator passed a law that required it.
Posted by: Beto at September 01, 2010 06:34 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Skree at September 01, 2010 06:35 PM (HBmnd)
Posted by: yambles at September 01, 2010 10:33 PM (rxaXW)
Was it purple?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 01, 2010 06:35 PM (2g2ex)
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:36 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:36 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 06:36 PM (bixjr)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:36 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:36 PM (iyvmV)
I get a huge Nancy Pelosi vibe from Boxer
They are both getting signals from Pluto telling them what to say.
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:37 PM (rMMMP)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:37 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:37 PM (PA722)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (PA722)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (bAySe)
Boxer falls into the trap. And off she goes into the Bush bashing.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (bixjr)
500 to a 1000 to a million to a bajillion new jobs.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Babs at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:38 PM (kUEkq)
234 I hate to keep beating the same old media bias drum, but damn, this is a joke.
That's why we call it the People's Republic of California.
Posted by: StrangernFiction at September 01, 2010 06:39 PM (pOgEW)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:40 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:40 PM (PA722)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:41 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:41 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: yambles at September 01, 2010 06:41 PM (rxaXW)
oh what a shocker, another legitimate question to Carly
anybody want to predict the next question to Senator Ma'am?
"Senator Ma'am, when Carly made fun of your hair, how did that make you feel?"
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:41 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:42 PM (rMMMP)
WTF? Is she suggesting that global warming is, instead, only a political game that has nothing to do with the weather?
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:43 PM (PA722)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:43 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:44 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:44 PM (bAySe)
See, now, I'm opposed to Prop 23, because - and now let me remind you - when a bill becomes a law, judges put a check on the legislature
Posted by: Senator Ma'am at September 01, 2010 06:44 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:44 PM (iyvmV)
Boxer, yesterday over the fence: "Kids, I am going to tell you one last time, stop playing during the afternoon. I don't want to have to tell your parents, but I will if I have to."
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:45 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: sock puppeh at September 01, 2010 06:45 PM (VcPAo)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:45 PM (kUEkq)
"The whole world is going green."
"The coal companies hope I don't get there."
"Green jobs."
horse shit
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 01, 2010 06:45 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 10:44 PM (bAySe)
Well yeah.
Posted by: Ed Begley Jr at September 01, 2010 06:45 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:46 PM (rMMMP)
240
I get a huge Nancy Pelosi vibe from Boxer
They are both getting signals from Pluto telling them what to say.
--------
more like signals from Beezlebub.
Posted by: Nance at September 01, 2010 06:46 PM (uPgdc)
Posted by: Vuvuzela at September 01, 2010 06:46 PM (YIzpx)
Posted by: sock puppeh at September 01, 2010 10:45 PM (VcPAo)
Further, she not only thinks that the gubbermint creates jobs, she alleges that businesses are responsible for getting rid of them.
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:46 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 01, 2010 06:46 PM (tm15w)
All I can say is if Boxer's down the line typical liberal playbook talking points work this year, with the big lights and media focused on her ugly, haggard visage, Califorina is lost for good. She is truly pathetic.
Mean and dumb. Really dumb. Sounds dumb. Not even clever like many scumbag pols.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:47 PM (qhdz6)
Carli should smack her with the delta smelt here.
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 10:46 PM (rMMMP)
DONE!
Posted by: sock puppeh at September 01, 2010 06:47 PM (VcPAo)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 10:45 PM (kUEkq)
She refused to join the College Socialists Club so to the media she is a centrist independent.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:48 PM (qhdz6)
Posted by: California Resident at September 01, 2010 06:49 PM (HBmnd)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 01, 2010 06:49 PM (ib45C)
so, let's recap:
boxer gets a question from young undergrad "independent"
fiorina gets a question from a straight-up democrat
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:49 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: securitymom at September 01, 2010 06:49 PM (oHUi9)
Posted by: Beto at September 01, 2010 06:49 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: sock puppeh at September 01, 2010 10:45 PM (VcPAo)
Further, she not only thinks that the gubbermint creates jobs, she alleges that businesses are responsible for getting rid of them.
----------------------------------------------------------
All government, no business, presto Utopia.
Posted by: StrangernFiction at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (pOgEW)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 01, 2010 10:49 PM (ib45C)
Well yeah.
Posted by: Ed Begley Jr at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: yambles at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (rxaXW)
Babs spouting embarrassing nonsense as usual.
Posted by: Robert_Paulson at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (+NFD5)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 01, 2010 10:49 PM (ib45C)
That word that means the answer is in the question.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (2g2ex)
Posted by: Beto at September 01, 2010 06:50 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 01, 2010 06:51 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: Debate "Moderator" at September 01, 2010 06:52 PM (kUEkq)
CF could beat this hag like a baby seal and it won't matter. This is california
Posted by: booter at September 01, 2010 06:52 PM (eimUK)
Posted by: Frank G at September 01, 2010 06:52 PM (4X0aT)
Posted by: Moderator at September 01, 2010 06:52 PM (PA722)
Posted by: roadkill gatherer at September 01, 2010 06:53 PM (HBmnd)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:54 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: Moderator at September 01, 2010 06:54 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:55 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Moderator at September 01, 2010 06:55 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Atomic Roach at September 01, 2010 06:55 PM (rMMMP)
god Senator Ma'am is just a caricature of every libtard talking point
how could she have been in the senate for 18 fucking years?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:55 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 01, 2010 06:57 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 06:57 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 06:57 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 06:57 PM (iyvmV)
Boxer is... well... Sen. Ma'am. She's a caricature of herself.
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 06:57 PM (PA722)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 10:55 PM (0hqOl)
Agreed. I don't think it plays well at all. Then again, its Cali, and she's won three times before. Hasn't really been challanged since 92 though, when she slimed her opponent who's name is escaping me at the moment. Prager's friend.
Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 01, 2010 06:58 PM (qhdz6)
don't worry CAC it's over
let me summarize for you:
Fiorina: started out slow, but got a lot better by the end
Boxer: whiny hag, playing the standard class warfare games
"Moderator": looking to kneecap Fiorina
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2010 06:58 PM (kUEkq)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 07:00 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 07:00 PM (PA722)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:02 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: sifty at September 01, 2010 07:03 PM (PJJWW)
Boxer: whiny hag, playing the standard class warfare games
Unfortunately, this is probably enough to win her a fourth term in the cess-pool that is California.
With all due respect to my fellow American citizens in California, but what the f--k is wrong with you?
I watched this entire debate, and although I'll agree Fiorina improved throughout, it just seems like Boxer will win again.
To paraphrase Jim Morrison: "Every state gets the politicians it deserves"
Posted by: Olliander at September 01, 2010 07:03 PM (j4xgZ)
Posted by: Vuvuzela at September 01, 2010 07:05 PM (YIzpx)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:08 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 01, 2010 07:09 PM (ib45C)
Posted by: securitymom at September 01, 2010 07:09 PM (oHUi9)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 01, 2010 07:09 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: sifty at September 01, 2010 07:10 PM (PJJWW)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 01, 2010 07:12 PM (ib45C)
They have sucked CA dry and now they are moving on and insist that their Utopian Paradise will work this time in other states. AZ, CO and TX are getting the brunt of this invading plague of locusts.
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 07:16 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy at September 01, 2010 07:17 PM (OeYEC)
So are NJ libtards. Lots of them moved to NC and are dragging that state leftward.
Posted by: Gran at September 01, 2010 07:18 PM (kmmbv)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:24 PM (lV4Fs)
Carly was amazing and so much better than when she was on Mav's team. Babs looked like a city council wannabe.
But I fear Ca will elect her again. Lord help us.
Posted by: PJ at September 01, 2010 07:25 PM (Fyjeu)
Posted by: cali grump at September 01, 2010 07:26 PM (1tJr/)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:28 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Vuvuzela at September 01, 2010 07:30 PM (YIzpx)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:31 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:32 PM (lV4Fs)
1.The voter identification gap between the GOP and the Democrats is at a historic low
2. GOP voters are markedly more enthusiastic
3. The GOP is consistently turning out more voters for primaries
4. The President's approval rating is in the toilet
I will continue repeating my Debbie Downer talking points until at least one of you admits to being thoroughly demoralized.
Posted by: Vuvuzela at September 01, 2010 07:39 PM (Snu7z)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 07:43 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Uncle Jed at September 01, 2010 07:47 PM (xRcKp)
Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy at September 01, 2010 07:56 PM (3B3Ma)
Well, crap. Since California voters are loony tunes anyway, this probably means Boxer will be re-elected. Why are some of the Republicans so reluctant to really go after the Democrats? Being nice and polite will get you killed at the polls.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 01, 2010 08:08 PM (eNxMU)
Posted by: rawmuse at September 01, 2010 08:11 PM (bTrk5)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 08:11 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Lord Cochrane at September 01, 2010 08:16 PM (9MFtN)
As much as I hate Barbara Boxer, I hate Carly Fiorina more.
Boxer's campaign should be running the following ad 24x7:
"My opponent took one of the most successful tech companies in America [Hewlett-Packard] and ran it into the ground, and then golden parachuted out. Do you want her for senator?"
Posted by: The Shep at September 01, 2010 08:18 PM (xdx4h)
Posted by: CAC at September 01, 2010 08:21 PM (lV4Fs)
So we should promote someone who ran one of the biggest tech companies in America into the ground to the office of a US Senator, where they can wreak even more havoc?
This election is all supposed to be about competence; throwing the incompetent democrats out of office; not promoting a known incompetent under the (R) brand where she can do even more damage.
Posted by: The Shep at September 01, 2010 08:31 PM (xdx4h)
Alas, I live in Texas and can't do anything about her. Unfortunately, on the House side of things, this means I am stuck with Sheila Jackson Lee and can't do shit about her either.
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 08:34 PM (PA722)
Posted by: securitymom at September 01, 2010 08:35 PM (oHUi9)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 08:37 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 08:41 PM (0hqOl)
Posted by: rawmuse at September 01, 2010 08:41 PM (bTrk5)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 08:47 PM (0hqOl)
Yes -- he's a Democrat.
Duh.
Don't be complacent, but this is about the stupidest time ever to be a fucking eeyore.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 08:49 PM (DfAwB)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 01, 2010 08:50 PM (0hqOl)
You know what it does mean, though?
It means you can primary KBH and Cornyn the hell out of office in 2012 and 2014. The latter day will be especially sweet.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 08:51 PM (DfAwB)
Lessee, no trace of the hash on search engines, here defending Boxer... Tell me I'm wrong.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2010 09:02 PM (DfAwB)
Posted by: sifty at September 01, 2010 09:08 PM (PJJWW)
Tell me about it. Ma'am really has a Sidewinder up her ass when she speaks in public.
Posted by: Brig. Gen. Michael Walsh's Inner Monologue at September 01, 2010 09:17 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 09:39 PM (PA722)
i like carly, have always liked carly even when they said she was screwing up at HP.....Mark proved that she did one hell of a job at HP cause he certainly failed miserably.
Posted by: . at September 01, 2010 09:41 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Fresh Air at September 01, 2010 09:44 PM (mNG9h)
Fiorina doesn't have to make Boxer look foolish. Boxer is doing a bang up job of that herself.
Posted by: Foole in the rain at September 01, 2010 09:52 PM (pELFl)
Posted by: Damiano at September 01, 2010 10:04 PM (PA722)
49 Fuck you. This is the only race I can win and I'll be damned if it's taken from me.
You wish. There isn't a single drop of melanin in the whole state. And cities celebrate Mexico's Independence here.
Posted by: Limp Dick Oregon GOP at September 01, 2010 10:07 PM (pELFl)
california: if you're not taking than you're getting taken. god help the rest of us if these zombies come to our states.
Posted by: befuddled at September 01, 2010 10:14 PM (xJU23)
She supports the DREAM Act, but not "amnesty." Yea right
She wants to repeal Roe v. Wade and return to a state-by-state, "let the voters decide" approach to abortion. Can do that because she knows CA is fine. Will vote for liberal judges though.
She wants to repeal DADT. Supports "gay marriage"
She refused to take a stand on Prop 23, which would overturn California's greenhouse gas emissions scheme. Cap and Trader in waiting.
Man, should be her name should be FioRINO but I guess it's the best you can expect from California, for now. But I think we did this already with Ahrnold.
Posted by: Rocks at September 01, 2010 10:14 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: Fresh Air at September 01, 2010 10:45 PM (mNG9h)
Posted by: newser at September 01, 2010 11:39 PM (V45rX)
I'm no great fan of Carly -- there are reasons she's no longer CEO of HP. But she's head-and-shoulders above the sort of creature I'd be willing to vote for in order to vote against Boxer. And she'd caucus with Republicans -- BONUS!!!!
She could campaign on a platform of "infant sacrifice and I'm not Boxer" and I'd chant it at rallies. I don't need to hear her talking points; I don't need to see her debate. She should stand up, state clearly "I am NOT Barbara Boxer", and sit down so far as I am concerned. I don't care if she's for or against abortion up to and including the age of 62.....so long as she kicks Boxer to the curb.
Posted by: cthulhu at September 01, 2010 11:41 PM (/0IOT)
Anyone, anything is preferable to Boxer. Vertibrate, invertibrate, legs, roots, flippers, or fins, if it can get onto the ballot I'll vote for it.
Jesus Christ or bacteria, if it's not Boxer I'm pushing the button.
I'm sure we're not alone. In the current economic climate and given what the Dems have done to the central valley Sedum Brevifolium could pull 40% against Babs.
Carly just has to avoid scaring the suburban independents.
Posted by: JEM at September 02, 2010 12:20 AM (o+SC1)
He is calling it a dead heat. In CA an incumbent Dem in a dead heat with a political newcomer Republican is unheard of.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 01:11 AM (/jbAw)
Gabe,
That is one of the best recaps that my attention deficit has been able to follow. I hope Fiorina reads this and sharpens her approach cause we all benefit when Boxer cuts cut loose. Even for a simple dip.
Come to think of it, has anyone given any thought to the anti-dip?
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Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 02:33 AM (7+pP9)
This approach is typical of corporate types like Fiorina.
Posted by: Neo at September 02, 2010 03:19 AM (tE8FB)
It's time for Republicans to stop doing the classy thing and start pounding the shit out of these statist scumbags with a big rhetorical hammer.
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Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 04:34 AM (7+pP9)
It doesn't sound like Boxer was pulling any punches.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 02, 2010 04:45 AM (FkKjr)
Let me know when a Dem "does the classy thing."
Posted by: real joe at September 02, 2010 04:49 AM (w7Lv+)
He probably did.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 04:54 AM (tkzth)
Posted by: John Galt at September 02, 2010 05:07 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2010 05:19 AM (Hx1qz)
Yes, she had a lot of facts. FACTS are good things. You just cannot say "Boxer doesn't have a good record." You have to demonstrate WHY!
Fiorina looked professional, normal, and NOT CRAZY. Boxer looked like a lunatic, and spoke patronizingly and in that pseudo valley girl voice. Fiorina demonstrated that she understood business. Boxer did not.
The killler thing for Boxer was that she made her typical "I support the troops although not the war" statement and Fiorina came back with FACTS about military support she had voted against.
I think some of you guys think this is scored on points. Nope. This is to introduce the candidates to the voters (for challengers) and if you already hate Boxer (as demonstrated by the polls) then all you needed to see was that Fiorina wasn't a crazy person or some sort of extremist.
Fiorina was successful.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 02, 2010 05:22 AM (bixjr)
I'm sorry to hear is was so mushy. Republicans must take off the gloves and fight the street fight with these creeps.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2010 05:42 AM (0fzsA)
You should see if it's up on YouTube and watch for yourself. There are a lot of armchair critics and a few eeyores here.
I think she did well.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 02, 2010 05:51 AM (bixjr)
Posted by: securitymom at September 02, 2010 08:26 AM (oHUi9)
I do not live in California but caught the debate on CSPAN. I learned some things about California. But from an outsiders view, and not knowing much about the cadidates, I can say that Fiorina is much much intelligent and articualte than Boxer. A good blow to Boxer would be:
Boxer: "You oppose the federal funds that will keep 16,000 teachers employed."
Fiorina: "The funds are temporary and will be picked up by taxpayers when those funds run out. Instead of taking more money from the government why don't we find ways to cut wasteful spending and give taxpayers a break."
my two cents
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Barbara Boxer? Barbara Boxer?
How dare you! That's Senator Boxer Shorts With Old Incontinent Hag Skid Marks to you! She did earn it, after all.
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