1 When we are short generating capacity it wont matter what kind of bulbs we use.

2 From my cold, dead lamps.

3 Dim bulbs.

4 Somehow I get the feeling it's a Gabe O'Spades Monday.

5 Not to worry, the my very presence will be illuminating enough to provide light for all of you, the sheeples.

6 5 Ace will be up in a few hours.

7

Pretty soon there will be Light Bulb Mules from Mexico smuggling incandescent light bulbs into california in their anuses.

It'll happen.

8 I keep seeing those GE commercials about how kewl their electric car recharging stations are, and I find it hard to resist yelling at the screen: "Where is the electricity coming from, morons?!"  (Not to be confused with Morons, for whom I have at least a little respect). 

I bet Reagan is rolling over in his grave so fast, because of what GE has become, that he could generate enough energy for the Western Sea-board all on his own.

9 Who else is striving not to do any work today?  We're short staffed and I don't want to break anything.  I'll just hide all day and up my comment count.

10 OTOH- I happen to like CFL bulbs.  The one's I've used (primarily in my Living Room and various bedrooms) work just fine and provide plenty of light.  What makes me angry is that I don't have a choice about it.  Or, rather, soon won't.

11 To pick light bulbs as the target for electricity conservation was stupid to begin with. Only 9% of household electricity is used in lighting. There were much better targets to chose that could have decreased the total consumption for a house by 10%. This was about getting us used to the govt telling us what we can buy not about conservation.

12 Here's an interesting question.  Does Barry even understand the workings of the humble lightbulb?  Why is there a vacuum in the bulb?  Why does it get hot?  I won't even bother with speculating if he understands the workings of the CFL. 

This is indeed the sort of thing that breaks the camel's back.  What happens in DC seems remote to the average person.  The Fed?  What's that? 

However, mess with a person's light bulbs, or toilet, and they are reminded every day of just how overweening and incompetent the boobs that make our laws really are. 

13 CFL - Canadian Football League lightbulbs?

14

 I keep seeing those GE commercials about how kewl their electric car recharging stations are, and I find it hard to resist yelling at the screen: "Where is the electricity coming from, morons?!"  (Not to be confused with Morons, for whom I have at least a little respect). 

I bet Reagan is rolling over in his grave so fast, because of what GE has become, that he could generate enough energy for the Western Sea-board all on his own

Every once in a great while I will talk with someone who is liberal by default(meaning they haven't given it any thought) and they'll always explain to me the benefits of converting to electric.  Then I burst their bubble by explaining that the wall socket isn't some magical outlet that is powered by unicorn farts.

Most of our electricity is nuclear and coal.

15 @11
Well put.  The bottom line is that if the CFLs are as good as the ecoNazis say they are, then compulsion isn't needed to get people to buy them. 

16

I won't allow this topic to pass by without noting that the architect of the ban is the sainted Fred Upton, who was punished for his big-government idiocy by being named Chairman of the House Fucking Energy Committee that regulates the cheap and useful fucking lightbulbs that he fucking banned.

Dropped the ball on this one, there, Boehner.

17 The Fed ban: another bit of "compassionate conservatism" we choked on.

18

OTOH- I happen to like CFL bulbs.  The one's I've used (primarily in my Living Room and various bedrooms) work just fine and provide plenty of light.  What makes me angry is that I don't have a choice about it.  Or, rather, soon won't.

I do to in certain areas. All of my outdoor lightbulbs(with exception of spot light) are CFLS. They've been out there for going on three years.

I also have CFLs in a lot of my lamps. The only place I still use incandescent lightbulbs in my bathroom, kitchen and reading lights.

Obviously incandescents are superior when it comes to needing light for detailed tasks. Reading, shaving, cooking, etc. However if it is just background lighting for a room, the CFL's are more than adequate.

19 Only 9% of household electricity is used in lighting.

I doubt if it is that high, especially in the South where almost all homes are totally electric.

I did a "back of the envelope" calc several years ago and figured if every home in the US switched to CFLs it would not be enough savings in electricity to offset even one of the coal plants that they have prevented from opening this year alone.

20 Get up, stand up. Stand up for your lights.

21 If they could come up with CFLs that didn't make everything look like Silent Hill (the games, not the movie) I'd use them somewhere other than my porch lights.  LED bulbs should fix that, I gather.

22

I won't allow this topic to pass by without noting that the architect of the ban is the sainted Fred Upton, who was punished for his big-government idiocy by being named Chairman of the House Fucking Energy Committee that regulates the cheap and useful fucking lightbulbs that he fucking banned.

Dropped the ball on this one, there, Boehner.

On that subject, can you name me one good thing Boehner or McConnell has accomplished so far? In terms of appointments? Rule changes? or accomplishments in the lame duck session?

23 I've noticed that some grocery stores here in Philly area  have stopped selling the old incandescent bulbs, at least in the standard shapes and sizes, and only stoc the CFLs--which are sitting on the shelves gathering dust, because they are expensive.

24 I'm just going back to coal-oil lamps. Or whale oil--yeah, whale oil, even better.

25 @22 full of win

26

courtesy of a law signed by President Bush in 2007

thanks a lot, dope.

27

On that subject, can you name me one good thing Boehner or McConnell has accomplished so far? In terms of appointments? Rule changes? or accomplishments in the lame duck session?

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:20 AM

No.

28 Shaka, when the walls fell.

29 "A nation-wide phase-out of incandescent lightbulbs will begin in 2012, courtesy of a law signed by President Bush in 2007."

Repeal!

Of course, it won't matter much if no one makes incandescent lightbulbs anymore.

30

The ones I have bought break easily and burn out quickly, which kind of defeats the purpose for something far more expensive. (and my electricity costs have not gone down).

31 Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:16 AM (wuv1c)

Correction:  Most of our power comes from Oil and Coal.  We only get a significant minority of our power from Nuclear plants.

Posted by: Lou at December 27, 2010 11:18 AM (IH3P2)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we'll all be sorely disappointed by the 112th Congress.  Hopefully the Conservative Insurgency will show appropriate signs of life, but they're outnumbered and (due to seniority issues) out-gunned.

Knowing may, indeed, be half the battle.  The other half is superior numbers and fire-power.

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:19 AM (wuv1c)

I don't even mind them for reading.  They do suck in the bathroom, though.  I don't like shaving with my face still half in the dark.  It's just a thing I have- I don't think I look good with scraps of tissue paper all over my face.

32

Only 9% of household electricity is used in lighting.

I doubt if it is that high, especially in the South where almost all homes are totally electric.

I did a "back of the envelope" calc several years ago and figured if every home in the US switched to CFLs it would not be enough savings in electricity to offset even one of the coal plants that they have prevented from opening this year alone.

yeah, i am a real miser when it comes to energy. I do everything I can to save money. I would estimate that my appliances and lighting accounts for 5-10% of my electric bill.

Certain appliances use more juice than others. HD TV's use more than the old CRT's.  I've also found that many of those energy star appliances don't really save you as much as they claim.

33

I'm just going back to coal-oil lamps. Or whale oil--yeah, whale oil, even better.

Hobo fat burns longer and cleaner.

34 I keep seeing those GE commercials about how kewl their electric car recharging stations are, and I find it hard to resist yelling at the screen: "Where is the electricity coming from, morons?!"  (Not to be confused with Morons, for whom I have at least a little respect).

When the good little lefties rail about the evils of corporations, ask them why they seem to forget GE (We Bring Good Things to Obama) , Apple, Nike, the Entertainment Media corporations, and of course their New Best Friend GM

35

I don't even mind them for reading.  They do suck in the bathroom, though.  I don't like shaving with my face still half in the dark.  It's just a thing I have- I don't think I look good with scraps of tissue paper all over my face.

Yeah, I can't use them for reading. Then again my vision isn't 100%. maybe that has something to do with it. When it's nice I read outside as sunlight is the perfect lighting for reading, but incandescent is a close 2nd.

36

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:20 AM (wuv1c)

Boehner's powerless until he gets the gavel.  The House is too majoritarian for him to do anything substantive.

As for McConnell, getting the omnibus scrapped was probably his biggest victory, with saving the tax rates not far behind.  Once it was decided by Democrats and the MFM (BIRM) that the lame-duck session was going to be where the real work gets done, Dingy Harry called out the moderate Republicans on voting for DADT and food safety, and they had no choice but to buckle.  START was a nonfactor and political football.

As for appointments, confirming the nonentities while killing the bids of the liberal firebrands like Goodwin Liu and Jack McConnell is enough of a victory for me.  I'm second to few in my distaste for McConnell, but he did pretty well with the circumstances.

37 When Pres. Nitwit McPrissypants bankrupts the coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy industries, the heat generated by contraband incandescent bulbs powered by my personal windmill will be the only heat I'll be able to afford. Rotten bastard.

38 For all the ways the MFM tells you to cut your energy uses and save the planet, they never tell you to turn off one of the biggest energy hogs in the house, the TV

39 BoB marathon on Spike. The part where they are taking off for the jump into Normandy and the music gives me chills.

40 Posted by: Louis Tully at December 27, 2010 11:21 AM (K/USr)

Also, I don't think the companies that pushed for this (and you know it was companies that pushed for this) thought things all the way through.  If they really do all last for 5 years (the claim: 3 years is more like it, but that's still a lot longer than an incandescent), how are these companies going to keep money coming in?

Won't it be like those stupid gum commercials where the company goes out of business because no one is chewing their second piece of gum yet?

41

 BoB marathon on Spike. The part where they are taking off for the jump into Normandy and the music gives me chills.

shit. at work.

I really need to buy the set. I've seen it a hundred times and i never get tired of it.

I also need to give The Pacific another shot. I stopped watching it after the third episode because it was so stupid. Maybe it got better

42 I recall a story from this summer where a German or German company got around similar Euro-silliness by selling "heat bulbs". Since 90% of the energy of incandescent bulbs is waste heat (waste? We have 60mph gusts forcing freezing air into the house) he could sell them as heaters.

43 Of course, it won't matter much if no one makes incandescent lightbulbs anymore.

Side note, incandescent bulbs are made in this country, CFLs in China.

Green Jobs!

44 Posted by: The E-Dread Pirate Neck Beard dot com at December 27, 2010 11:30 AM (Sl8d5)

And produce a whole lot less hot air.

45

When it's nice I read outside as sunlight is the perfect lighting for reading,

Until you walk back inside.

"Damn it's dark in here"!

46 As one who lives in Southern California, the idiot voters out here won't care.  These are the true examples of "sheople".  They will just go along  and say it's best because the "government" said so.  The sheople of California are ripe for a full blown communist dictator. If it wasn't for family I would get the fuck out of this insane state. 

47 My local Krogers has doubled the price of a 4-pak of incandecents from $0.88 to $1.59.  Still stocking up, though.

48 Candles are still available for those who wish to use them. Also kerosene lamps. DON"T LET THOSE LIBS FORCE CFLs ON YOU

49 Movie theaters are also big electricity eaters.

Think DiCaprio and the other Phonywood tree huggers considered the consequences when the theaters have to jack up ticket prices which they won't get a cut from? And if ticket prices are 30 bucks before the overpriced popcorn and Raisinettes, and Pepsis which will no doubt soon be outlawed in theaters, will people shell out that much to watch the crap which seems to mandate that every comedy film has to either have Ben Stiller or Will Farrell in it?

50 The results are predictable. First, there will be a short-term black market in lightbulbs, I kid you not. Individuals will bring lightbulbs with them when they return from other states. California will no doubt respond by banning their importation and the highway patrol can start checking returning vehicles for them like the fruits and vegetables checkpoint on the way back from Vegas.

Meh - not so sure about that last one.  We seem to be good at Tyranny Phase One, which is Government Overreach, but we seem to be rather poor at Tyranny Phase Two, which is Heavyhanded Government Enforcement.  Most likely people will buy incandescent bulbs from over the border, the law banning them won't be enforced, and we will just have another useless law on the books that everyone ignores and which serves to undermine respect for the law generally.

51 Also most power companies like ConEd offer free CFLs for their customers.

52 Have bought numerous boxes of 100 watt incandescent bulbs in anticipation but I have been using the CFL's in my kitchen and dining room overheads for several years now. I'm here to tell you, they last no longer than plain old light bulbs. I change one approximately every year. And of course it goes in the trash so that is worse for the environment than regular bulbs. 

53 Evidently, conservatives are going to be sitting in the dark because they're too stupid and too principled to replace burned bulbs with new ones that will save them money.

54 California is a metastasizing cancer in the body of the Republic. Cut it loose before it takes down the whole works.

55 Hmmmm...considering going into the lightbulb/Flea Market business... I've always assumed those places were a great place for quasi-legal things like fireworks, radar detectors, random knives and other weapons. Light bulbs will fit right in.

56 Evidently, conservatives are going to be sitting in the dark because they're too stupid and too principled to replace burned bulbs with new ones that will save them money. Posted by: JEA at December 27, 2010 11:33 AM

The money would just go into taxes to pay for the welfare freebies you're getting anyway

57 Just think of how much energy could be "saved" (and carbon not emitted!) if the TSA would only stop scanning people's junk!!11!!

58 Sock off.

59

Heh!  I added another attic just to store lightbulbs.

So when I'm looking for you needing to buy a few, should I ask for Mr. Lucifer?

60 Posted by: JEA at December 27, 2010 11:33 AM (YWRHb)


Evidently, you're too stupid to know a hoax when you see one. But you just go right ahead and waste your money on those bulbs, you dim bulb.

61 the architect of the ban is the sainted Fred Upton, who was punished for his big-government idiocy by being named Chairman of the House Fucking Energy Committee that regulates the cheap and useful fucking lightbulbs that he fucking banned. I promise you this is a foretaste of the commitment and dedication we have to true conservative change.

62
Popular Mechanics magazine found that CFLs commonly fail because they are installed in inappropriate lighting fixtures. They can also wear out prematurely because they are turned on and off frequently or experience excessive vibration or impact.

What are Californians going to put in their ceiling fans, garage door openers, refrigerators and freezers?

63 So why is it that libs will go to the mat advocating terrorists having the same rights as Americans, but have no problem chucking overboard American property rights like freedom to buy the light bulb or toilet that you want?

64 we will just have another useless law on the books that everyone ignores and which serves to undermine respect for the law generally.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 27, 2010 11:32 AM

Nope.

Heavy-handed enforcement of stupid laws is what our government does best. I'm pretty certain that mandates to use CFLs and drive electric cars will be followed up with heavy fines for violators. It's another form of taxation, as well as a way to keep the masses cowed and miserable.

65

Most of our electricity is nuclear and coal.

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:16 AM (wuv1c)

Actually that IS true since coal is app 50% and Nuke is about 19% (as of 2005)

Nat Gas is also 19% and hydro is 7%. solar and wind are not even on scale.

66 How did the environuts gain such massive power?

67 Me and JEA turn on more CFL lights to get the same light from the CONNNSSS bulbs. See, we're turning on more planet saving bulbs and saving even more money!

68 58
Evidently, conservatives are going to be sitting in the dark because they're too stupid and too principled to replace burned bulbs with new ones that will save them money.
Posted by: JEA at December 27, 2010 11:33 AM (YWRHb)

Kiss my ass, statist tool.

69 What are Californians going to put in their ceiling fans, garage door openers, refrigerators and freezers? Glittering unicorn eyeballs.

70

oh, don't worry, it'll get better. The same idiots who are pushing electric cars, etc can count on the environuts to go to court to block any effort to produce "clean" electricity. Is there anything cleaner than hydroelectric? Nope, bad for fish. Solar panels in the desert? Might threaten the pastel desert tortoise. Windmills (or whatever they call them these days)? Nope, threatens endangered Indiana bats in West Viriginia: google donsurber + "indiana bats" and you'll get this: "Work on a West Virginia wind power project has been halted by a federal judge who sided with environmentalistsÂ’ claim that the project would harm an endangered bat." 

Maybe the best thing to do is stock up on those cfl bulbs whenever a going-out-of-business sale makes them only twice the price of  regular bulbs.

71 53 Candles are still available for those who wish to use them. Also kerosene lamps. DON"T LET THOSE LIBS FORCE CFLs ON YOU

Posted by: drizzler's battlefield buddy at December 27, 2010 11:32 AM (0YS61)

Not everyone can store a cache of old-style lightbulbs in their asshole like you can, dbf.

72 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 27, 2010 11:39 AM (IEJ4J)

1) Conservatives thought they were "mostly harmless" and ignored them too long.
2) By the time Conservatives started saying, "but that's stupid," it was "well known" that the EnviroNazis had "the best intentions" so telling the truth about them was "mean."

73 I'm just going back to coal-oil lamps. Or whale oil--yeah, whale oil, even better.


Corn oil, so we can starve the messicans faster than just using bio fuels

74

Most of our electricity is nuclear and coal.

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2010 11:16 AM

Scotland is suddenly getting all of theirs from nukes too;

Heh, Scotland's Magic Windmills fail

SCOTLAND'S wind farms are unable to cope with the freezing weather conditions – grinding to a halt at a time when electricity demand is at a peak, forcing the country to rely on power generated by French nuclear plants.

75 In the '50s, it was family nuclear bunkers buried in the backyard.  Fast forward to now and it'll be family incandecent light bulb bunkers buried in the backyard. 

76 With typical corporate slavishness, have you noticed that Apple replaced the icon for energy settings in their OS from a cartoon of a regular light bulb to a spiral bulb? Lest you think Microsoft is any less of a green toady, for quite a long time their "trash" bin icon has been called the "recycle" bin.

77 I hate the freakin' CFL's They suck, they represent a technological step backward, they suck, they're too stupid to even consider and they totally suck. I will never stop campaigning for the incandescent bulb. I think one of the usual con bloggers/radio guys was talking about Upton recanting and considering undoing the ban. Here's hoping it's true. Because they suck.

78 "Work on a West Virginia wind power project has been halted by a federal judge who sided with environmentalistsÂ’ claim that the project would harm an endangered bat."

Just proves that the eco-tards really don't give a damn about the environment. The two main factions of the eco movement are the communists and the anarchists.

79 Here's another factor. If you live in a cold climate, incandescents actually use less energy than CFL's. A Canadian government study proved this. The reason: incandescents give off heat as well as light and, when you factor that into the cost of heating a building, the total energy usage is less. It's one of the great ironies of the universe that liberals, so proud of their nuanced thinking, always fall prey to oversimplifications, one of the basest of fallacies.

80 58 Evidently, conservatives are going to be sitting in the dark because they're too stupid and too principled to replace burned bulbs with new ones that will save them money.

Posted by: JEA at December 27, 2010 11:33 AM (YWRHb)

It's not an aversion to saving money , dickface, it's the fact that the fucking government is telling us how to light our houses. Just because you need the government to wipe your ass for you doesnt mean the rest of us want it.

81  Have bought numerous boxes of 100 watt incandescent bulbs in anticipation but I have been using the CFL's in my kitchen and dining room overheads for several years now. I'm here to tell you, they last no longer than plain old light bulbs. I change one approximately every year. And of course it goes in the trash so that is worse for the environment than regular bulbs. 

Posted by: Bill R. at December 27, 2010 11:33 AM (EhlQq)

 

Same here.  Fuck 'em.  Does anyone remember the movies about mutant killer bears made that way from mercury poisoning.  Damn enviroweenies can't make up there 'tard minds.  I hate flourescent lighting.  It sucks the fucking life out of me.

 

 

82 How the hell am I supposed to keep my water pump from freezing now?

83 The light bulb bunkers should be co-located with the food and weapon & ammo bunkers, naturally.

84 Popular Mechanics magazine found that CFLs commonly fail because they are installed in inappropriate lighting fixtures. They can also wear out prematurely because they are turned on and off frequently or experience excessive vibration or impact.

Watch out for the calls of more federal regulation regarding the compatibility of home lighting fixtures re CFLs. 

Don't be too smug about this taking place in California, though. A nation-wide phase-out of incandescent lightbulbs will begin in 2012, courtesy of a law signed by President Bush in 2007. California is just ahead of the curve.

Clownifornia is generally the place where bad trends begin before they spread East. 

Laws such as this are why I don't recollect on the Bush years that fondly.  Sure, Bush is Reagan compared to Obama and while Bush had some good standing on tax cuts, he didn't even hinder the spread of socialism much.  All Bush did was mildly negate the effects of enviro-wacko legislation (for example, Clinton signed an EO saying all appliances had to be x-more energy efficent, while Bush signed his own EO mildly reducing the requirement by x minus y more energy efficient - still the regulation went forward).

 Bush should have taken moderation in moderation and ditched the "Compassionate Conservative" shtick.  Alas.

85 Anyone know how to keep a hobo burning?

86 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that CFLs suck yet?

Also that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

87 Damn, sock fail!

91 How the hell am I supposed to keep my water pump from freezing now?

Why do you need running water?  Don't you know that requires energy, which the production of makes Gaia bleed?

88 The windmill farms are the answer, denialist wingnuts! Didn't you see the pictures I took of them last Spring? It's on my 2011 calendar which you can get for a 5 percent discount when you subscribe to Little Groveling Felchers

89 Funny thing about incandescent bulbs being outlawed. 

How many Easybake ovens out there are making 8 year old girls renegade outlaws?

90 All cfls failures that I have experienced are due to heat related failures of the capacitors inside the ballast.

I have the sickness of taking things apart and conducting failure analysis'.

I have a collection obout ~10 ballasts that I need to mail to GE. The only problem is that it will take about $15 to mail these fucking parts to china.

Screw that, I will just have to relamp the basement with T8's, you know, the four footers that have real ballasts. They say you can grow weed under them, but that's another story.

91 These stupid CFL's are $11 when nobody wants them, how much are they going to be when everybody MUST use them? I hope there was a "Laws of Supply and Demand" rider in that DADT repeal. We're going to need it.

92 Posted by: kbdabear


Can't wait until they're smack in the middle of Nantucket Shoals in the Atlantic ocean. I'm sure those suckers will be wicked easy to maintain/fix.

93 How can CFL's compete in the medium term with LEDs? They cannot be cheaper to make and ship, nor last longer.

94 Why do you need running water?  Don't you know that requires energy, which the production of makes Gaia bleed?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 27, 2010 11:48 AM

Behold, a god who bleeds!

95 Also, incandescents are required for places like garages, basements, closets  or other places where you only flip on the light for a minute or two then leave. CFL take to damn long to get bright, especially when they are cold.

I am really starting to resent this country.

96

Ben, BoB was on sale on Amazon yesterday for around $35 on Blu-Ray!  Damn good deal.

I'll have to check it out. I always get so excited when they do a marathon on spike, i might as well own them myself at this point.

97 All cfls failures that I have experienced are due to heat related failures of the capacitors inside the ballast.

The same thing applies to probably 95% of failures of flat-screen plasma or LCD TVs and computer monitors.  Chinese capacitors are a menace.

98 and you can look out your window tonight to see a lighting market that converted from incans to LEDs without government "incentives". ( Xmas kigjts)

99 Posted by: Jean


Very good point.

100 With typical corporate slavishness, have you noticed that Apple replaced the icon for energy settings in their OS from a cartoon of a regular light bulb to a spiral bulb?

Posted by: George Orwell at December 27, 2010 11:44 AM

You are NOT of the Body!

101

Posted by: kbdabear at December 27, 2010 11:44 AM (vdfwz)

Now THAT was a great article! Scotland won't have anything to do with Nuclear Power, at least on their own soil, but when their wind power doesn't work, they import it from France.

Oh, and their wind generating capacity during this cold spell has dropped to less than 6%.

If that happened to me at work, get me to a hospital!

102 Hobo fat burns longer and cleaner.

It must be rendered first.

It's becoming more and more apparent that Bush laid his plank right up the ass of the American public. Thanks again George.

103 With typical corporate slavishness, have you noticed that Apple replaced the icon for energy settings in their OS from a cartoon of a regular light bulb to a spiral bulb?

Of course, Microsoft's used a "Recycle Bin" since before many of us had to deal with that hassle in real life.  I suspect it's actually because both companies are based in well-known hippy hot zones.

104 GE put all their eggs into the CFL basket, not the LEDs. That's why the CFLs will be mandatory and the LEDs will be considered "not green" for home use

105 You ever notice how the sickly glow cast by a CFL is very similar to the lighting schemes in those 1950's era Russian block apartments just outside of Gorky Park?

106 I use candles for ambient light in the winter.   Costs little (if you get the candles on sale) and ads to the heat in the room,  thereby reducing the gas bill. Thus I don't need to have electric lights on in a room when just passing through,  and can use my electric lights for reading,  etc.

So you libs who laugh about candles can go suck an egg.   I am burning them in the evenings until March or so,  when it will finally warm up around here.

107 When it is within my power, I will never buy from GE. They can take a flying hike for all I care.

108 Let's not forget Bush 43 gave us "No Child Left Behind," a steel tariff, Medicare Part D, and the delightful quote near the end of his term "I had to destroy the free market in order to save it."

109

This seems like a good time to mention the consumer product safety act of a couple years ago, that mandated extensive lead testing in every product sold for children and literally led to mandated destruction of anything made before a certain date, even in lieu of donation to charity.

Ah yes, because government knows best. Every phoney crisis rachets us towards totalitarianism.

110 GE put all their eggs into the CFL basket, not the LEDs. That's why the CFLs will be mandatory and the LEDs will be considered "not green" for home use We have a winnah!

111 20 years from now, liberals will blame capitalism for the coming mercury eco-disaster.

112

and you can look out your window tonight to see a lighting market that converted from incans to LEDs without government "incentives". ( Xmas kigjts)

 

LED's are okay, but they're smaller than incandescents.  I like holding regular light bulbs in my hands because they feel good.  It's like fondling my testicles.

113 Hobo fat burns longer and cleaner.

Is it wrong to use hobo fat as a base for soap?  Or is it darkly humorous?

114

courtesy of a law signed by President Bush

Just another reason to make absolutely certain that no member of that odius, execrable clan ever again so much as sniffs the leather seats of public office.

 

115 Of course, Microsoft's used a "Recycle Bin" since before many of us had to deal with that hassle in real life.  I suspect it's actually because both companies are based in well-known hippy hot zones.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 27, 2010 11:58 AM

Wait till we put up the main page celebrating mandatory CFL's!

116 And the recycle bin on OSs has absolutely NOTHING in common with the idea of recycling. In fact, it's quite the opposite, as it's for saving tossed files and possible restoration But "trash bin" and "trashing" files sounds so mean and wasteful and environmentally unfriendly! It sounds like we don't care about our carbon footprint. Which reminds us... we are no longer going to call the process of making a DVD "burning." That could make you think you're contributing to global warming. From now on we're going to call it "re-educating" a disc.

117 Boehner et al. can't do anything until the new Congress starts in January. Then they better man up and start repealing this BS and cutting spending. Or there will be hell to pay.

"If it wasn't for family I would get the fuck out of this insane state."

Me too, Sparky, but I'm looking at a job in Salt Lake City. One hour from CA via air. No gangs. Peaceful Mormons. Outdoor fun.

118 Here, let me help you with that.  Your programming needs some realignment.

119 When incandescent lightbulbs are outlawed, only outlaws will have incandescent light-bulbs.

And I will be one of them.

120

Won't it be like those stupid gum commercials where the company goes out of business because no one is chewing their second piece of gum yet?

I like those commercials. Probably the gratitous violence and the freeze-frame capturing the worst of it. Has a Funniest Home Videos feel.

121

117 I use candles for ambient light in the winter.   Costs little (if you get the candles on sale) and ads to the heat in the room,  thereby reducing the gas bill. Thus I don't need to have electric lights on in a room when just passing through,  and can use my electric lights for reading,  etc.

So you libs who laugh about candles can go suck an egg.   I am burning them in the evenings until March or so,  when it will finally warm up around here.

Plus they make the room smell good and the light is soft enough to cover dust bunnies.

122 Of course, it won't matter much if no one makes incandescent lightbulbs anymore.

I'm sure the Iranians, Saudis, North Koreans, Libyans, and Venezuelans will make them.

123 How did the environuts gain such massive power?

You sat still while they invaded your school board.

Okay maybe not you personally.

124

125 Hobo fat burns longer and cleaner.

Is it wrong to use hobo fat as a base for soap?  Or is it darkly humorous?

It's like lard, which has the same saponification properties as super chic shea--- which is to say HoboBars could be touted as a super skin conditioning luxury soap.

125 How did the environuts gain such massive power? You sat still while they invaded your school board. They have been doing this slowly, since the late sixties. Clownifornia is now permanently ultramarine with all state politics determined by unions and large population centers which glow blue in the dark, they are so far to the left.

126 So you libs who laugh about candles can go suck an egg.   I am burning them in the evenings until March or so,  when it will finally warm up around here.

Plus they make the room smell good and the light is soft enough to cover dust bunnies.

Not so good for us, though.

127 Carbon arc lighting, for when you really, really need to see.

128 Just relabel them as 99W bulbs.  The 'wattage' of bulbs is largely BS anyway, extremely variable and inaccurate.
For added fun, label them 99.9W bulbs, just to poke em in the eye.

129 It's like lard, which has the same saponification properties as super chic shea--- which is to say HoboBars could be touted as a super skin conditioning luxury soap.

Heh.  I forgot you are a soapmaking geek.  Thanks for the note about lard.  One of these days I'm going to try making a batch, so it's good to know about that.

130 Home Depot has 100 watt and 60 watt  Philips Soft White incandescent light bulbs in 16 packs for $2.97 here in Texas. 

At 18 1/2 cents per light bulb, I'll stick with several boxes of them till this stupid law gets repealed. or I die.  I have enough to last either time frame.

131
Since this is not a maths blog I would bore with the equations but, you don't get swat for heating value out of a candle. 50 or 100 maybe.

I am not discounting the romanic mood and all the other goodness that candles can bring. Just don't freeze to death because you think candles can do the work.

132 Um, actually, The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of California turned the water off in the Imperial Valley before they turned the lights off.

133 @143 That's my plan. We use only 60w at the high end, so when the axe comes down on that wattage I'm buying three or four 16 packs and flipping my middle finger at Sacramento.

134 9 I keep seeing those GE commercials about how kewl their electric car recharging stations are, and I find it hard to resist yelling at the screen: "Where is the electricity coming from, morons?!"  (Not to be confused with Morons, for whom I have at least a little respect).
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And don't forget that the car has to sit at the station for *hours* and *hours*; charging a battery isn't like filling a gas tank.

135 #75 How you ask? Because they never give up, They don't attack their own, they circle the wagons against anyone who challenges them. They divide and concur. They sucker hunters, fisherman, outdoors-man into believing they are on their side. They sucker little old ladies and children to send them money to save at cuddly polar bear, whale, manatee or the animal de jure. They are masters of PR. But most of all they have a plethora of MSM journalists who are more than willing to spread the Alinsky style propaganda.

136

I have at least a 10 year supply of 40/60/100 watt incandescent light bulbs in my garage. 

137

Scotland won't have anything to do with Nuclear Power, at least on their own soil, but when their wind power doesn't work, they import it from France.

Morons, put me some knowledge, wouldya?

Why is it that libtards, who worship all things European, demand fucking high-speed rail links between bathhouses, prisons, VD clinics, and other Democrat strongholds, but resist nuclear power plants - which the Europeans have all over the place?

138

Forget about the border between the USA and Mexico.

Californians are so nutty that the federal goverment should put a huge fence around the entire state to isolate it, and they should stop all incoming and outgoing airplane flights and car traffic,  and then declare the entire state of California as an insane asylum.  I'm not joking. I'm serious.

Those loonies are a threat to this entire planet, not just to the rest of this country. Think about it: What do Californians contribute that the rest of the entire world couldn't do without? Try to name one item, just one. They're the most expendable loonies on this planet.

139 Media Lies about CFLs

Light Bulb Comparison - Adam Williams

The average U.S. household uses 45 light bulbs, as reported in numerous media outlets in the past year, including CBS News and Popular Mechanics Magazine.

The U.S. Department of Energy says changing even one of those bulbs can make a difference.

“If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an Energy Star-qualified bulb, we would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes for a year, more than $600 million in annual energy costs, and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of more than 800,000 cars,” says the Department of Energy on its website, energystar.gov.

What a crock of shit. As I said, I did a calc for this a few years ago and we didn't save shit.

The average household uses one 100 watt bulb for only about an hour a day. That would save a whopping 60 watts a day. Wow, they will save $1.56 a year if in SC. One wonders how that computes to $600 mil a year?

140

Think about it: What do Californians contribute that the rest of the entire world couldn't do without?

ALMONDS!

141 113 Of course, Microsoft's used a "Recycle Bin" since before many of us had to deal with that hassle in real life.  I suspect it's actually because both companies are based in well-known hippy hot zones.
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It's because Apple sued Microsoft for using a wastebasket.

How soon we forget.

142 Just nuke this place. It's fine. Another couple of years here and I won't have much will to live anyway. Just do me a favor and maybe hit Massachusetts and Illinois while you're at it.

143 The average household uses one 100 watt bulb for only about an hour a day. That would save a whopping 60 watts a day. Wow, they will save $1.56 a year if in SC. One wonders how that computes to $600 mil a year?
Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2010 12:45 PM

Remember, these are the same mathematical experts who warn that "we can't afford to pay for tax cuts".  If a taxpayer pays less, he's "paid" by the government but if anyone has their handouts cut, the recipient is "paying"

144 I will say though that the one thing CA contributes at the moment is to serve as a stinking example of what libtard policies will do to a once prosperous place.
Seriously, it takes a certain kind of talent to fuck things up this bad. It's oddly, and depressingly, impressive.

145

Let;s make it official, and declare California a national sewer and landfill.

_{Hell, even with help from nature, those lazy loonies can't any grow decent grapes or naval oranges anymore.}

146 145 Um, actually, The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of California turned the water off in the Imperial Valley before they turned the lights off.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 27, 2010 12:27 PM (b6qrg)

See what good good people we are? We will STARVE to save Delta Smelt! And if we have to take the rest of you Gaia-destroying evil beings with us, so be it!

147 Changing your lightbulbs won't do dick for your electric bill.  Making your computer sleep at night instead of leaving it on 24/7 however knocked $15 a month off my electric bill here in CT (.21/kWh)

148 making my computer sleep.  How could making YOUR computer sleep cut my electric bill?

GET OFF MY LAWN!

149 It's because Apple sued Microsoft for using a wastebasket. How soon we forget. Yeah, I forgot about that... Lawyers. Is there nothing they cannot do?

150 I heard that a German company will continue to sell incandescent light bulbs but under a different description - as a personal heat generator (the light given off is merely an unintended byproduct). Great idea!

151

Eegads, just talking about California put a virus in my computer.

It's hexed and cursed. It's cursed, I tell you.

152 Once there's a prohibition of incandecents, there will be illegal establishments called Read-Easys.

153 I have a light bulb connection. 
No worries.

Come and get me you soulless bastards!

154  Just nuke this place. It's fine. Another couple of years here and I won't have much will to live anyway. Just do me a favor and maybe hit Massachusetts and Illinois while you're at it.

Posted by: Grayson at December 27, 2010 12:52 PM (A7AFX)

 

Okay. 

155 The difference in the energy pie slice between incandescent and CFL relative to the whole pie is noting.  When they come up with the CFL equivalent of electric motors, then you'll be talking about some real energy savings.

156 What about LED? There's got to be a way to get them/market them for household use.

157

Have you noticed that California's conservatives are liberal loonies by the rest of the world's standards?

What's that say for the ones who actually claim to be liberals? Scary, huh?

 

 

Submitted by The Committee To Annex California To Tahiti

158 Shaka, when the walls fell.  I love that line, so true for this state.
So, next Christmass, there will be not lights?  Those little bulbs are sure not florescent.  Maybe we will go to LED's for lighting up the trees and houses, at what terrible cost.  Plus, all the cities Christmass lights are not florescent.  mexefornya, the first state to make Christmass illegal.
The atheists, BBFN, have finally won the war on Christmass out here in mexefornya. 
Can not wait for 2012 to come, and it better be a dozy when it does.  This would be the only way for GOD to sort it out.
Sacramento still have not turned on the pumps, to help out the water problem on the west side of the valley.

159 The Federal bill was Bush signed, but was a joint Demo/Rinocrat effort - not like we didn't see that more than once.

Bill text and history for the curious:
H.R.6
Latest Title: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00006:@@@X

1/12/2007     Introduced in House
1/18/2007     Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 264 - 163
6/21/2007     Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 65 - 27.

The actual bill is unsurprising ridded with TBDs, Secratary can exempt/requires and free goverment money.

160 CFL's are very dim in cold weather too so they aren't worth a crap outside.

161 CFLs are problematic on a number of issues. First, bulb life is calculated in some ideal environment. In less than optimal installations, CFL life falls precipitously. Efficiency is based on installations where the bulb runs almost continuously. Turn the CFL off & on a few times an hour & the efficiency disappears. CFLs emit ultraviolet light which is harmful to people with comprised immune systems from maladies like AIDS & lupus. That's right, CFLers are harming queers. UV also promotes cataracts which will raise health care costs in the future. CFL efficiency is a false efficiency. Yes, incandescent bulbs are not as efficient but the extra heat is actually desirable in any season but Summer. The result is homeowners will theoretically run the furnace more to compensate for more efficient CFLs. Finally, the CFL movement should he prosecuted for crimes against the environment for the mercury issue.

162 You know, I supported Bush 43 through a lot of stupid moves, but where he lost me was his signing of that stupid light bulb bill.

I've been building gradually a stockpile of bulbs, but I was unaware of the early banning of 100 watters here in the Golden State, so I just laid in 200 more of them.

The way things are going, I consider them part of our retirement funding.

163 I wonder how many CA girls got Easy Bake ovens for Christmas this year? I can only hope that they all have liberal Big Gov-lovin' parents!

164

If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an Energy Star-qualified bulb, we would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes for a year, more than $600 million in annual energy costs, and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of more than 800,000 cars,”

 

Is that sort'a like the old line that if one airplane can fly a ton of cargo 300 miles in one hour then two airplanes can fly a ton in 1/2 hour?

 wonder how many CA girls got Easy Bake ovens for Christmas this year?

None.  CA boys were given approx. 751,298.  Mostly in S.F.

165

Went to Wal-Mart today because it was the only place around here I could find a 100-watt light bulb for my daughters new Easy Bake oven she got for Christmas. 

What's going to happen to that awesome toy for little girls when the only bulbs available are full of mercury and other poison shit?  I'm not about to let her use one in hers!

Blankety-blank enviro-nazis!

166 Everyone remember when the low flush toilets were mandated based on the phony water shortage issue?

What it caused was changing the highest smuggled item from Canada from marijuana to normal toilets. It also caused an untold number of abandoned houses in the country to be raided for old toilets.

As for saving water? Not so much since everyone now flushes twice.

Also, one of the Republicans in the House said he would introduce legislation next year to lift the ban. Even if it passed the more liberal Senate next year Obama will veto it.

167 "23 If they could come up with CFLs that didn't make everything look like Silent Hill (the games, not the movie) I'd use them somewhere other than my porch lights. LED bulbs should fix that, I gather." They do. They just cost twice as much as 'regular' CFL's...

168 What's going to happen to that awesome toy for little girls when the only bulbs available are full of mercury and other poison shit?  I'm not about to let her use one in hers!

They won't work anyway - they don't put out enough heat.  You can probably still buy 100w incandescents online. Or go stock up before Jan. 1.

169 That's why when someone asks me if I miss Bush yet, I say no! He did a lot of damage in his term, just not as much as the current lunatic we have.

The rich libs in Cali will just have the bulbs brought in, you forget, rules are for the little people!

170

It's like people in Washington state and dishwasher detergent. You can only buy crappy eco-safe bullshit that doesn't work.

Solution? Drive to Idaho and buy real detergent!

How many CFL bulbs fit in a liberal's ass?

171 "Me too, Sparky, but I'm looking at a job in Salt Lake City. One hour from CA via air. No gangs. Peaceful Mormons. Outdoor fun."

Been here since March for a job. Mormons, while conservative, are of the squishiest flavor and thus more repulsive ideologically than straight on liberals. imho

172 News flash........the environmental wacks are now questioning the use of wave power. (Les Blumenthal McClatchy News) Their concern    scheme is that the electrical pulses generated may effect the sea critters. Like I have said before it has nothing , absolutely nothing to do with saving the environment, it has all to do with crippling the US economy and receiving public money, ie grants to continue their assault on the people of the US. Europe has implemented wave generation and these advocates  anti US business, jobs haters look the other way, because all things not US are good.

173 Of course, the burnt out CFLs are highly toxic. You can't just throw them away in the garbage. And if you break one in your house, well, call in the guys with the moon suits. Hazmat team.

I have a special way to dispose of mine. I am saving them up until I have a bucket load.

I plan to chuck them at the State House in Sacramento. I would prefer to do this from the safety of an angry mob, so if any of you CA morons want to join me, let me know.

174 Of course, the burnt out CFLs are highly toxic. You can't just throw them away in the garbage. And if you break one in your house, well, call in the guys with the moon suits. Hazmat team.

Actually that is a myth that has been debunked. When this first came out I went to the EPA site and they said to take standard precautions when cleaning up as you would any broken fluorescent light. They also said you could dispose of them in normal trash as the amount of Mercury was microscopic and of no real concern..

They have since changed that to say dispose of IAW applicable State law. Some States, like CA, have specific (and unnecessary) laws.

175 Does this mean the kids of the future won't have EZ Bake Ovens? Rotten nanny-Nazis.

176 But while the mercury from one broken cfl blub might be neglible ( don't understand the term "microscopic" as an amount ?) it doesn't degrade, just stays in your carpets and floors, accumulating every time a bulb is broken, even when cleaned up carefully.<P> Now imagine your 1 year old crawling across the very same floor on his hands and knees, a floor which has accumulated that toxic element with every broken light bulb and amount brought in on the soles of  shoes from outside for the last 20-30 years, and I think you might have a whole nother picture of why it was so insanely stupid to require cfs bulbs with any mercury ( a known neurotoxin- with no recognized safe low limit) in our homes- in order to save us from the toxicity of CO2 in the upper atmosphere. 

177 The only instructions I ever saw for CFL cleanup were, if broken on carpet, take a sharp knife and cut the carpet out, 1 foot in either direction beyond the debris field. Send the carpet to hazmat disposal.

178 I think the mercury disposal instructions are for the lab sized spills.  I'm a CFL fan myself, but this is truly stupid legislation.  At least the appliance bulbs are exempted, so people in really cold areas have some recourse until sanity prevails.  Or until we get a good working black market.

Come to think of it, I should probably get some 100WTs for the garage.  Yikes.

179 I've been using CFLs for at least 10 years now. They used to be expensive, but now you can buy a 4 pack at Home Depot for $2.50. I'd estimate that I've replaced around 5 bulbs since then because they stopped working, and another 4 because they lasted so long they got too dim. I like a well lit home so I leave the lights on in many rooms of my house due to it's open layout. When I first replaced all the bulbs in my house with CFLs I got a phone call from the power company asking why my energy consumption dropped so sharply. That being said, I made the choice to use CFLs because I like to save money. I'd prefer the light of an incandescent bulb, but I have no problem at all with the CFLs. I understand that people are upset about no longer being able to decide for themselves what kind of lighting they want though.

180 I use 100-watt incandescent bulbs to keep the water tank shed above freezing in the winter.  No other bulb will work, and no other heating system is as efficient.  So, I've been stockpiling bulbs for the last year or so.  Fortunately, they are still 22 cents each at Walmart.  By the time they are outlawed,  I expect that I will have a 40 year supply inventoried, and will have spent a grand total of $22.00.

181

"what kind of lighting they want.."

what kind of food I want, what kind of auto I want, what kind of toilet I want, what insurance I want, to smoke if I want, to buy a gun if I want, etc. etc. etc.

182

When 100 watt incandescent bulbs are outlawed, only outlaws will be lit by 100 watt incandescent bulbs.  Inevitably, folks will rent U-Hauls to smuggle incandescent bulbs in from Free America to California and sell them out of their trunks to their local neighborhoods.  I'll bet many an eighteen-wheeler moving households or stereos will have a pallet of prohibited bulbs hidden up front.  And really, if they bring bales of marijuana across the border from Mexico, why not incandescent bulbs? 

Now, the thing is, I've converted to the fluorescent bulbs because I'm a lazy slug who is happy to pay more so I don't have to change a light bulb, especially those ones where I have to get on a ladder and unscrew a glass cover.  Three bucks a bulb is nothing to me.  And it's worked.  I've only changed one light bulb in the last year, a bulb that's been burning for two or three years.

However, three bucks a bulb is an extravagance for a lot of people scraping by, people counting their pennies to put food on the table.  When the greenie-weenie nuts force their whims on us by manipulating the law, they put the screws to the folks on the bottom, eking out a living.  And all these nonsense laws accumulate, nickel and diming us, slowly making life more difficult for everyone.

I read some years ago that 38% of the cost of a home in California is due to laws which give sweetheart deals to unions and various manufacturers, ie a certain union gets a monopoly on a certain task and certain materials must be used that are made by a favored vendor.  Bit by bit, the little laws make ordinary life unliveable.  Creating that hostile environment for homeowners is part of what is chasing the middle class out of California.

Each foolish law on its own is hardly worth fighting but the process which piles up such impediments upon ordinary citizens must be defeated.  Perhaps one way to defeat it is to let California die, suffocated by its own excess.

183 Stockpile and store them in the attic - they are a vacuum inside so they are EXCELLENT as an insulator.  I bet that several cartons thick of bulbs is better than the same thickness of glass wool - they are mini thermos pears!

184

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