1 Nice framing, Chuck!!

2 If they think there's racism going on, they should name names and quote quotes.  Since they don't, it's pretty obviously bullshit.

3 We need more moderates in the GOP. Who can win!

You know, moderates. Those republicans who call the rest of the party racists. And endorse democrats.

4 Fiorina is an absolute bitch and would fuck Obama on the American Idol stage if that's what it took for her to get ahead.

5

And almost everyone here was all aflutter when I said this "Republican" wasn't worth supporting. She is little different from Boxer in so many respects. Yes, she really is that bad.

Thanks California Republican Party!

6 Now I demand that all previous nay-sayers worship me.

7 GOPP -- Grand Ole Pandering Party

8 F#ck Carla. Chuck, on the other hand, laid down the law with that quote.

9 its rare that you get such early confirmation of a RINO.

10 The Republicans have been looking for a way to blow the upcoming election.  This is it.  Just screw us on immigration and you can remain the minority party forever.

11 what is a "racist tone" in the first place? can anyone tell me what she meant, what aspect of the law is racist in tone. frankly she's full of it.

12

Five seconds after Cue Ball Carly is sworn in, she'll be signing on to comprehensive immigration reform/amnesty.

13

Here's some more classical classism:

Never completely trust a rich Republican until proven otherwise by their words and actions. They really are not like us. They have been in a bubble so long, that is so big, that their sense of reality is seriously impaired.

14 Carly is right, I'm a racist hater.  I hate my HP-49, sucks ass compared to the pre-Carly HP-48, and I hate every HP computer I've been forced to use, and I hate the HP plotter we have that isn't even a decent door stop.

15

What a fucking cunt.

 

END OF MESSAGE.

16 Next.

I don't mind people having reservations about this law. I don't mind people opposing it.

I do mind so-called Republicans resorting to lefty talking points and insults to boost themselves.

If there's someone specific in mind, fine. Go after them. Do not casual smear "some Republicans". That just give the left, etc. to do their bullshit.

Next time, maybe she should try to attack the leftwing of the Democratic Party and peel off some voters that way. Make it uncomfortable for moderate/indys to associate with those wackos.

Fuck her.

17

Can we target her for 'political human sacrifice'?

If she looses, it really won't make a difference.

18 Unfortunately, this is what we've come to expect from squish Republicans.

I think in substance she sounds about where I am: The AZ law isn't perfect, but this is what we get when the elites refuse to address the problem.

The problem is that she doesn't defend fellow Republicans.

You decry the racial (not racist) tone in the debate and you BLAME THE DAMNED DEMOCRATS.

19 Crazy Joe Davola?

20 On fire!

21 I'm sorry, but Carly Fiorina is completely correct.  It was her fellow Republicans, after all, who attempted to stigmatize differently-sighted ovine immigrants as "Demonsheep."

22 If there's someone specific in mind, fine. Go after them. Do not casual smear "some Republicans". That just give the left, etc. to do their bullshit.

This.

23 BULLSHIT!  Name names or STFU.

24 "And unlike Carly, I have no hope of beating Barbara Boxer."

25 I am so goddamned sick of this "racism" bullshit.  Seriously, is racism really this huge, rampant problem in America or just a manufactured problem promoted and kept alive by the left?

26 if that's what it took for her to get ahead.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 03, 2010 05:22 PM (ZtwUX)

Or to give it.

27 OTOH, one benefit of this is that we'll get the chance to see just how powerful a true, non-RINO message can be.  If the needle doesn't move, then from a strictly pragmatic political POV, she is doing the smart thing.  If she augurs in, then it should be a bright beacon to the rest of the party as to how this plays.   It'll be a teachable moment in the parlance of the self-inflated left. 

28 Here's an actual "racist tone." 

29

I am so goddamned sick of this "racism" bullshit.  Seriously, is racism really this huge, rampant problem in America or just a manufactured problem promoted and kept alive by the left?

Amen, brother. And "no" and "yes" in answer to the second part.

30

 

Republican candidates often come to the crossroads of issues.

They have two choices: Stay on the straight road to justice, rules of law, and common sense. Or take the wrong road to political correctness.

Carly Fiorina chose unwisely. But don't blame her; she's only following the other Republicans.

31

How tone deaf is this bitch?  

 

32 31

How tone deaf is this bitch?  

 

Posted by: gus at May 03, 2010 05:36 PM (Vqruj)

Better use sign language!

http://bit.ly/bO743G

33

Injun Joe, she shit on other un-named Republicans to boost herself.

She's a cunt.

34

 

Fiorina broke Injun Joeism #1: NEVER take a shit on Republicans and/or Conservatives to score points with the middle or with the Democrats.

35 The Arizona law copies the federal law, why is that racist cueball?

36

 

Injun Joe, she shit on other un-named Republicans to boost herself.

haha, great timing, gus! We're like twins. Except you SHOUT a little more than me.

37 I do mind so-called Republicans resorting to lefty talking points and insults to boost themselves.

If there's someone specific in mind, fine. Go after them. Do not casual smear "some Republicans". That just give the left, etc. to do their bullshit.

Posted by: DrewM.

This is exactly what Jeff at ProteinWisdom has been saying forever and a day. Using the language of the Left is a losing proposition. You can't out-bate race-baiters. You can't play identity politics and expect to beat the Left in their quest to play one group against another.

It's not smart politics, and it ain't conservative.

Oh, and this isn't surprising coming from her. She's best buds with the Shakedown King Jesse 'the Rev'arund' Jackson.

38 We need more people in government who can and will say: " It's not racist in any way to enforce the law, and fuck you for even asking such a stupid question. Next?"

Instead of: " Well, I can see how some people could say my fellow Republicans are saying things that could be perceived as racist comments by lunatics activists and members of the MSM, but I assure you they mean no such thing."

39

 

There is absolutely no downside or negative side to supporting the AZ law. It's totally righteous.

Politically, it's a winner. People across the country support AZ in the high 60's!

40

 

Just like the Left has limosuine liberals, we have limousine conservatives, a.k.a. Country Club Republicans.

These are douches who are out of touch with the regular people and only give a shit about the bottom line.

41

My friends,

You have nothing to fear from Carly Fiorina.

42 Don't talk to aliens.  They're dangerous.

43

I don't mind people having reservations

RACIST!!

 

44 I'm tired of being called a racist by people who want money from me just because I want to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Should have stuck with Demon Sheep Carley.

45

She doesn't actually single out conservatives or anybody else for racism.

"There has been a very unfortunate racist tone that has emerged in a lot of the discussion about immigration and that's inexcusable."

And I agree with her that there is a racist fringe to much of the discussion. Now, what that has to do with Arizona I couldn't tell you, or even why it's important to the issue of illegal immigration. I agree that it reeks of the kind of disassociatin we see in squishy RINO's sucking up to the media.

Well played by DeVore.

46

Injun Joe, that was good timing.  I don't call myself a Republican because of cunts like her.  She isn't interested in Conservatism.  She thinks she can appease a few LIBTARDS and get elected.   It's total bullshit and cowardly.

47

Oh, and Meg Whitman is about as squishy as Carly Fiorina.

Just remember you heard it here first.

Thanks again California Republican Party!

48

"Positioning" in California MIGHT make sense, if that's what it took to secure the legal hispanic vote. 

BUT IT DOESN'T!!

Legal immigrants (as opposed to illegal ALIENS) hate these line-jumping, scofflaw, trash that leech off of social services.  Of the millions that sneak in, there are a majority of hard workers.  Great.  The minority of criminal, grifter delinquents is ot exactly small.

Come out against the illegal aliens in no uncertain terms.  The people (even teh hispanic population of California) will quietly applaud.

49 She's obviously trying to get that crucial Michael Steele endorsement.

50

38 We need more people in government who can and will say: " It's not racist in any way to enforce the law, and fuck you for even asking such a stupid question. Next?"

And add: "And if you have no valid argument against the fact that I want a federal law enforced, which you do not, and instead call me a racist to try to intimidate me and shut me up, then you are behaving like a racist, not me!

51 If we ever needed an illustration of just how deeply and reflexively Carly Fiorina has bought in to the left-wing and media narrative, this is it.

Damned f'n straight. If appearing "moderate" (whatever the hell that is) requires playing the race card, then stuff your "moderation" somewhere where the sun don't shine.

52

Can I haz ideological purge now?

There is still time to not screw up 2012

53 I approve of this message.

54 I "hear" a lot of "boys" here!

55

Way to straddle that fence, CREEP.

I'd rather have Boxer as an enemy that Fiorina as an enemy; it only makes sense to have your enemies ON THE OTHER SIDE.  And do not give me this BS about the Lesser Evil; RINOs can't be trusted to be the Lesser Evil when they lack the souls they sold to get them their power.  Like I've said before, RINOs or Democrats, the ONLY difference is the speed of the march down the same road.  And if we'd had some RINOs instead of Democrats voting on this health care bill?  Congratulations, we'd now be dealing with its passage as a bipartisan effort.  Brilliant!  It is far better not to have them and take none of the blame for the slide of the country than have them there and be partly responsible.  And nope, I'm not buying that we have some leverage on occasion with a RINO, not since we lost people at the top like Tom Delay.  Guys like Boehner and Steele are a joke and have no control over anything.

I'm THROUGH with this half-A$$ed crap from Republicans.  For the love of Mike, would you PLEASE show some effing LEADERSHIP?

56

"And unlike Carly, I have no hope of beating Barbara Boxer."

After this quote, neither does Carly. DeVore for real republicans.

57 I'm so fuckin' sick of "squishism". Makes me wanna puke.

58

After this quote, neither does Carly. DeVore for real republicans.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 03, 2010 06:04 PM (ujg0T)

I'm with you.  Tom Campbell is useless and Carly seems clueless.

59

Oh, and Meg Whitman is about as squishy as Carly Fiorina.

That said, for Steve Poizner to start off his campaign as a crybaby really didn't help him.

60

Oh Carly is just showing how sensitive to Mexicans she can be.

Stupid cunt.

The issue isn't racism, the issue is ILLEGAL ALIENS.    The stupid bitch took the bait.

Hey Carly, you just gave credence to the LIBTARD MEME and NARATIVE.

You took the bait FISH FACE.

61 59

Oh, and Meg Whitman is about as squishy as Carly Fiorina.

That said, for Steve Poizner to start off his campaign as a crybaby really didn't help him.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 03, 2010 06:05 PM (ujg0T)

Poizner is kind of a clown too.

62 temporary migrant labor



Is this the newspeak for ILLEGAL ALIENS now?

63 Is this the newspeak for ILLEGAL ALIENS now?

Liberalism is 100% improvisation. Make shit up as you go. If it sounds good, spew it.

64 oh and Carly love, your RINO's showing.

65

Poizner is kind of a clown too.

That said, I will vote for either one in the general. Jerry "moonbeam medfly" Brown needs to have a wooden stake driven through his heart, shot with silver bullets, and be buried with a clove of (Gilroy) garlic in his mouth.

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

66 Liberalism is 100% improvisation. Make shit up as you go. If it sounds good, spew it.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 03, 2010 06:10 PM (554T5)

ah I see, so we could also call them Transient Un-Amnestied Almost Legal Non-Documented Semi-Americans.

67

And even if Carly wins the primary (and she might, as she is better than three time loser and RINO putz Tom Campbell, although I hope for DeVore), I would still support her against that Soviet Slut, Commiecrat Cunt, Bolshevik Bitch Barbara Boxer.

Even a RINO is better than a full blown Demunist.

 

68 I do love with RINOs pick up MSM talking points and help carry them for liberal politicians.  But lets remember Carly also is running in a state that wants their cake and eat it too on every single issue... and then they want to sodomize the cake after they are done with it... which I think pretty much sums up California politically.

69 ah I see, so we could also call them Transient Un-Amnestied Almost Legal Non-Documented Semi-Americans.

Don't laugh. They may lift that one from you and use it tomorrow.

70

But lets remember Carly also is running in a state that wants their cake and eat it too on every single issue... and then they want to sodomize the cake after they are done with it... which I think pretty much sums up California politically.

Having watched so many people swallow the 21st century snake oil of state funded "stem-cell research", at a time when public hospitals are overwhelmed and closing down, and having watched so many people buy into the utterly phony pitch for "high-speed rail", at a time when freeways are crumbling, I do weep for the state.

71 At the risk of harshing the despair in some quarters, this is at HA. 

WASHINGTON – Internal GOP politics are profoundly affecting major policies such as immigration, health care and deficit spending, as elected Republicans shift right to fend off challengers in primary elections.

Isn't this what we all want?  Yes some haven't gotten the memo yet, or will never get it.  We call them ex-politicians.

72 California politically is like Europe, the state is pretty much socialized, the far left own it. Occasionally you get a Republican in there but they are mostly just keeping the seat warm while the DNC gets a breather. Carly will probably make Snowe and Collins look like GOP stalwarts but that just speaks to the nature of politics in a state that has a political center just slightly to the right of Marxism.

73 Wow that racist Carly Fiorina is one smart Highly Educated White like Arnold Schwarzenegger White racist.

Impressive.

74 "...but it might be a little prudent positioning."

Respectfully disagree, Ace. This prudence is the same disingenuous politicking that has so disgusted the pragmatic, commonsense voter. It's this rhetorical gamesmanship that induces mistrust.

She's for the law but throws on some gas to the rhetorical lie fire that racism is occurring or is a significant trait to the anti-illegal immigrant wail. It isn't. Oh, sure, everyone throws in the most extreme caveat that surely some "racist" extremism is happening, but that's a concession that need not be made because there's an extremist loon in every debate. Yet somehow it's this issue that needs the caveat every freakin' time and not every other issue that inflames emotions. It's a cowardly position and gives support to the opposition when the opposition doesn't really have a valid point. The point is a trumped up false charge, so quit giving it fuel.

Fiorina is a good campaigner, I'll concede. In public and in these primaries so far, she comes across well. However, these small concessions in the debate, while getting her votes, reinforces a false story that undermines policy - possibly immediately and assuredly long term - and works against sound, honest policy that truly addresses the problem.

75

California politically is like Europe, the state is pretty much socialized, the far left own it. Occasionally you get a Republican in there but they are mostly just keeping the seat warm while the DNC gets a breather.

It's more complicated than that. Actually, the leftism is concentrated in population centers that dominate the state and shit all over the rest of it. The real divide in Cali is not North / South (historic rivalry of sports teams and cities), but really Coast / Interior ("Creative" bolshevik buttpirates vs productive producers of real goods and services)

Four small atomic bombs, detonated on San Fransicko, Oakland/Berkeley, South Central LA, and West Hollywood--would make this a "red" state again. I hate that color scheme because it hides the Commiecrat roots of the Demunists, but oh well.

When Cali shifted into the full blown Commiecrat category was the 1990's. Defense and Aerospace industries declined, computer industry shifted from productive hardware to "creative" software, liberals imported an underclass to do their gardening and maidwork and run their chic cafes, and teh ghey's took over Hollywood and the entertainment industry.These trends were going on for decades before that, but it was the end of the Cold War that suddenly thrust them into sharp relief.

76 75

Oh I know I was just being overly simplistic, I remember when Bob Dornin lost his seat largely due to a sudden shift in demographics that came with the death of the defense industry and influx and Hispanics.

77 AnonymousDrivel 2nd Ed.: "However, these small concessions in the debate, while hypothetically getting her votes though it could easily cost her votes too...

78 err I mean Dornan

79

Oh I know I was just being overly simplistic, I remember when Bob Dornin lost his seat largely due to a sudden shift in demographics that came with the death of the defense industry and influx and Hispanics.

And some chicanery to boot.

That said, I wonder if a coherent GOP can exploit rifts in the rainbow coalition of the Left. Such rifts are:

anti-development, anti-agriculture Green vs. pro construction and pro-agriculture Brown.

"fabulous" Pink vs. churchy and anti-gay Black and Brown

Black vs. Brown (unspoken but basically an out and out war in the ghettoes and prisons)

The Demunists here have a lot of infighting, and I often wonder why the Cali GOP can't seem to exploit it.

80

And even if Carly wins the primary (and she might, as she is better than three time loser and RINO putz Tom Campbell, although I hope for DeVore), I would still support her against that Soviet Slut, Commiecrat Cunt, Bolshevik Bitch Barbara Boxer.

Even a RINO is better than a full blown Demunist.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 03, 2010 06:12 PM (ujg0T)

 

We don't have a horse in this race. So we couldn't care less who wins.

But it has been our observation that Tom Campbell has always been a damned good Republican, albeit a moderate, which is not to say that he is a RHINO.

However, put yourself in his position, His primary responsibility is to respect and to represent the wishes, I repeat, the wishes, albeit not necessarily the best interests of his constituents, an increasingly disproportionate number of whom are Latinos, which has put him in an awkward position in which, to serve his constituents' wishes, he has had his own principles compromised.

It's a no-brainer: His situation is a microcosm of larger, more critical and similar situations which are developing all over this country. The influx of Latinos is radically changing the demographics in many if not all districts, and, for a variety of reasons, it is becoming a dangerous and destructive trend.

Our fear is that, in their ignorance,  they will inadvertently change the USA into a shithole like the shitholes that they came from. Hopefully, we will be wrong on that particular issue.

Our point here, though, is that your criticisms of Tom Campbell are unfair and unjustified.  He is the most credible candidate in that race. 

81 Carly can kiss my white ass and forget about the Senate.