June 10, 2010

Charles Johnson Whines: Why Isn't The Story About Me Anymore?
— Ace

He bitches that Allah didn't link him initially, but instead to Yid With Lid.

I have to say this again: Charles Johnson had a bad reputation, even when he was nominally on the right, for simply stealing other bloggers' finds. I really should contact one of the people ripped off by him to get him to write a post on this.

So now Charles Johnson is whining that someone else pushed his find, and Allah, not really giving a crap who found it, linked Yid With Lid.

Because, you see, that's the real story here -- Charles Johnson's passport to get treated like a somebody by CNN again.

Am I imagining things, or did LGF break a story about Reuters cropping photographs yesterday? DidnÂ’t Killgore Trout find the first photo and tip me off? WasnÂ’t LGF the first to publish this? And havenÂ’t we been credited for breaking the story by Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post, the Israeli government, the Weekly Standard, and Commentary Magazine, to name just a few?

Did I just imagine all that? No? It really happened?

So what kind of vindictive, unprofessional, unethical creep would write about this story and give all the credit to other people, knowing full well that the story originated at LGF?

This dishonest dirtbag goes by the name “Allahpundit,” and he writes for Hot Air.

UPDATE at 6/8/10 10:14:08 am:

Allahpundit has added a whiny update, complaining about being caught in unethical behavior, and pretending it was a mistake. Just like Reuters made a mistake cropping the photos.

IÂ’ll just point out that numerous sources had already credited LGF for the story when Allahpundit decided to ignore us. So the options are: 1) heÂ’s incompetent, or unwilling to spend time researching sources, or 2) heÂ’s a dishonest dirtbag who thought I wouldnÂ’t bust him publicly for it. Take your pick.

Am I imagining things or did this same Kilgore Trout, a moderator at LGF, go over to Hot Air late at night and vandalize the site by posting the word "Nigger" repeatedly to... um... prove that Hot Air was racist? And did Charles Johnson then not praise him for countenance and defend this stunt? And keep him on as a privileged moderator? (Zimriel writes I overstated initially.)

Did Charles Johnson himself not out the names of people who'd donated money to him in the past, thereby making everyone on the right skittish about donating to other bloggers, wondering who will be the next to turn? *

Was it not Charles Johnson who endlessly accepted, without correcting the falsheood, the media's claim that he had uncovered the RatherGate forgeries?

"BuckHead" just emailed me about stealing credit. He says, "Lot of that goin' 'round, Hoss."

You little, whiny, crazy-ass meglomaniacal-without-a-blessed-reason-to-justify-it bitch.


Allah's corrected to give LGF credit. I am going the other way: I am rewriting that post to deny LGF credit.

* Whoops! Sorry! The way I wrote that suggests that's the only thing wrong with outing private donors who wish to remain anonymous -- the effect on my bank account.

I'm sorry I wrote it that way -- of course it's offensive and unprecedentedly nasty in the first place.

I meant to write something like it was a two-fer, like not only did id it do x but then it further sabotaged the right by having effect y.

However, I'm a self-centered guy, so yeah, the effect on me I guess was a little too foremost in my mind.

Did Charles Johnson Refuse to Credit The Real Story Breaker? Elder of Ziyon had it first.

CJ credits "Kilgore Trout" with the "find." Okay, where did he find it?

Here's One Example... Dan Riehl became annoyed when LGF became, somehow, the one who broke the old Hezballah ambulance story. Or non-story.

As the originator of the Red Cross Ambulance story, I would urge the elements of the blogosphere still running with the story to at least slow down, if not back up. They are increasingly looking like the very drive by media against which we so often rant, running the risk of being exploited by propagandists on another side of an issue. And no matter how much many of us may support that side, propagandists on both sides do exist. For the record, I'm guilty, too.

The fact is ZombieTime's post does not do what it claims, proving the ambulance attack demonstrably false. And if they had operated the way bloggers should, by co-operating and communicating, instead of taking another's story and making it their own, perhaps they would have held back from making some of the unprovable claims they do. As I said, I am no innocent here. Most likely, being frustrated at how some have co-opted much of the work I did is certainly part of why I backed off and started to take a clearer view.

Sorry, but there is no excuse for lgf and Powerline to even be claiming a role in this story, or being cited by the Jerusalem Post as individuals actually in the know. And ZT's analysis really doesn't hold up. I doubt anyone related to those sites, excluding ZT, has done a fraction of the research which has been done. Much like a large media network relying on stringers, they are ultimately inflating their stature without having done the real work, or verifying the facts. And, frankly, it is time to end the show, which I intend to do right now.

Now, I sort of understand that the media doesn't care which blogger actually broke a story. They just call us all "bloggers" and don't really parse us out. I understand that; we're nobodies, after all.

And I understand why it should be the case that once Charles Johnson is on the media's rolodex they would just keep calling him over and over again for this story and that story; he'd become the only (or one of the only three) bloggers who exist at all, in the media's simplified telling.

Fine.

But actual credit does matter to the bloggers involved -- so why didn't/doesn't Charles Johnson ever correct the record and give the bloggers who broke a particular story the credit the media isn't interested (understandably) in giving them?

Why is he... oh, let us use the word "comfortable" about allowing the media to claim he broke this and broke that when he knows, better than almost anyone (except for the person who actually broke the story) that he didn't?

Not be all Hero of Will Folks-Level Integrity, but when Slublog dumped his big story into my lap -- the famous "Passion of the Toys" (well: blog-famous, anyways) -- I told him that I would LOVE to "break" that story, but since it was already all done and buttoned up, why the heck shouldn't he publish it himself and get the traffic and clear credit for it?

I don't believe Charles Johnson would have offered him the same advice.

Hey, Charles? You've been wrongly credited, and you've wrongly accepted credit, for most of the stories that made your still-no-one-knows-you "name."

How about you take that into account and let some of this slide, buddy?

Oh, and credit Elder of Ziyon, since that site seems to have had the Reuters Combat Knife Crop story first. Since you're so big on proper credit for scoops.

Posted by: Ace at 11:00 AM | Comments (150)
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1 I hope you all get Cancer and Die!

Posted by: Scatt X at June 10, 2010 11:01 AM (Kj8VC)

2

Bitch Fight!

Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2010 11:03 AM (Kj8VC)

3 I <3 watching blog wars

Posted by: some wench at June 10, 2010 11:04 AM (uJBct)

4
CJ - not sexy.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 10, 2010 11:04 AM (0fzsA)

5 I think Johnson cannot come to grips with the fact that a lot of us simply never check his site any longer.  I truly believe that AllahPundit was completely unaware of any role LGF may have had in that story. 

I did for a time, when I was interested in the creationism stuff, but I stopped checking when he flamed AoS and when I realized that the majority of his posts were administration talking points.  I can track what's happening with the public schools through primary sources, I don't need to wade through pages of anti-Beck, anti-conservative, pro-Obama crap to find the occasional story of interest to me. 

Posted by: Y-not at June 10, 2010 11:05 AM (Kn9r7)

6 Charles Johnson is just mad at Allahpundit for being niggardly with the credit. 

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 10, 2010 11:05 AM (oIp16)

7 He's just pissed that ponytails and yarmulkes don't mix.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (E4Pj8)

8 Is there anyone left there?

Posted by: Vic at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (6taRI)

9 Who is this Charles Johnson of whom you speak? He sounds like some sort of pony tailed bike riding Obama loving hippie. Consequently, he is not interesting.

Good day!

Posted by: shibumi at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (OKZrE)

10 I was banned from LGF only a few weeks ago (I barely ever comment there).  My sole offense was listing the blogs I read and including Ace of Spades on there.

Instantly, several people told me I was not allowed to read Ace of Spades and would be banned.  They were right.

LGF stole the rathergate story too.  They are so defensive and project so hard on this because they are insecure.  They know they have to attack and demand credit because their actual work doesn't warrant much respect on its own.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (dUOK+)

11

Charles Johnson? Never heard of him!

Posted by: most of America at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (YVZlY)

12 All you do is recycle the day's HotAir outrages in the inimitable aced-up paraphrastics.

You're the post-defecatory liquid in the alimentation of GOP talking points.

Posted by: Ace alert: al-Qaeda engineers create potency stripping cum-magnet at June 10, 2010 11:07 AM (z8NNY)

13 Huh huh huh you said Johnson huh huh huh

Posted by: Butt-Head at June 10, 2010 11:08 AM (VDgKF)

14 CJ had a nice little run there, but it ended a LOOOOOONG time ago.

The friendly fire drove people away, the vitriol he spews now keeps them away. Of course most people have no idea what he posts these days, who can stand to look?

Posted by: Merovign, Strong On His Mountain at June 10, 2010 11:08 AM (bxiXv)

15 LGF? Never heard of it!

Posted by: most of America at June 10, 2010 11:08 AM (YVZlY)

16 Who?

Posted by: damian at June 10, 2010 11:08 AM (4WbTI)

17 To: charles Johnson
From: One of the folks this crazy psychopath banned from commenting on his blog

Subject: Whining, bitching and generally acting like the pussy we all know you are. (or want to be)

STFU. STFD. FOAD.

P.S. What ace said x eleventy

Posted by: jakee308 at June 10, 2010 11:09 AM (0C5Fe)

18 Poor old Jazzman Chaz. Once the limelight has shined on you nothing else will do, but the spotlight has moved on.

Posted by: joncelli at June 10, 2010 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

19 A couple days ago, I clicked the Football for the first time in quite a while. Figured that if ace can't share a little traffic, I can too. Something about a double dip.

Posted by: fluffy at June 10, 2010 11:09 AM (4Kl5M)

20 Par for the course.

Posted by: Formercorpsman at June 10, 2010 11:10 AM (FhcJU)

21 U R all banned from teh interwebz!

Posted by: Charles' Nanoscopic Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:10 AM (VmtE9)

22 He is a bitching bitchy little bitch of a bitch, isn't he?

Posted by: Brian72 at June 10, 2010 11:10 AM (GNBk5)

23 Johnson had to call out Allah because of his integrity and courage. Power Players™ don't sit on the sidelines, they act. They also ban people who disagree with them. And ride bikes.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 10, 2010 11:11 AM (xO+6C)

24 I had sex with Chaz Johnsun, twice, in one day, in the morning!

Posted by: Will Fulks at June 10, 2010 11:11 AM (YVZlY)

25 Ace's method: What did Allah say?

Posted by: Ace alert: al-Qaeda engineers create potency stripping cum-magnet at June 10, 2010 11:11 AM (z8NNY)

26

Charles Johnson in a one man performance of

The Crying Game

Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2010 11:11 AM (Kj8VC)

27

CJ NEVER finds anything on his own, so I bet with a little bit of Google-fu you could fine the actual person that broke this.

 

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 10, 2010 11:11 AM (oIp16)

28 I'd missed that Chaz had outed his contributors.  That would have meant career death for me.  Fortunately I'm so cheap that the only reason I let go of a nickel is to get a better grip.

Posted by: motionview at June 10, 2010 11:12 AM (lKDF0)

29 CJ - not sexy.

Oh, I dunno.

Posted by: Larry Marchant at June 10, 2010 11:12 AM (xOTwH)

30 That's nothing.  I've got information that proves the Prime Minister of Turkey is an Al-Qaeda operative.  Check out my blog later tonight for more!

Posted by: Erick Erickson at June 10, 2010 11:12 AM (FkKjr)

31 All your breaking stories are belong to us.

Posted by: The Whiny Bitches at LGF at June 10, 2010 11:12 AM (YVZlY)

32 When he was a shill against the democrats he wasn't really creative or intelligent then either.  It's like Andrew Sullivan, he was angry and outraged and unreasonable when he was on 'our side', and now he's the same way when he's on 'their side'.  There's a reason the left considered him to be a hate blogger... he admittedly delights in racial slurs and astroturf.  He's always mad and claiming he's being oppressed.

We should watch out for this crap.  People who are this egotistical and angry will eventually feel they aren't worshiped enough by their own side.  Their lame reasoning "THOSE DEMOCRATS SUCK!!!  THEY ARE SUBHUMAN!"  Will never gain enough respect and they will shift to "THOSE REPUBLICANS SUCK!!!!" eventually.

What's so amusing is that this style does gain a few sycophants.   There is a pack of people who will defend LGF and make any disgusting attack they can.  In this thread already you see it.  They have no reasoning... just 'you are poop!".  Anyone who needs a little more thoughtfulness has already gotten tired of LGF.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:12 AM (dUOK+)

33 Haven't had a good douche-nozzle bashing thread in a while.

I see someone scrubbed his Wikipedia page so that info on his tendencies to touch young boys has disappeared.

Posted by: taylork at June 10, 2010 11:13 AM (0Hn5w)

34

He got sand in his cootchie and now suffers the grievous hell-pains of butthurt.

I deny him the respite of succor.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 10, 2010 11:13 AM (0QJjg)

35 How did I know when I saw Rueters that it was going to be about this douche nozzle again?  I know I distinctly saw LGF in the headline at HotAir when I checked.

Posted by: ryukyu at June 10, 2010 11:13 AM (MOHSR)

36 LGF wasn't even the first to break it. A blog called elderofziyon did. LGF2 has a post about it.

Posted by: TTC at June 10, 2010 11:13 AM (olPJr)

37

CJ's reaction to the Killgore fracas wasn't praise. It was a weak, "I didn't tell him to do it and I don't agree with it BUT" piece of plausible-deniability. And of course Killgore remained a privileged poster at LGF while the people who complained got Teh Stick. CJ behaved exactly how he used to mock CAIR for behaving.

So on the one hand, Ace is in the factual wrong; on the other hand, what CJ really did do was even more dishonest and hypocritical.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (9Sbz+)

38 This Charles Johnson fella is beyond the pale. He belongs in Cali with the rest of the crazies.

Posted by: South Carolina at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (xO+6C)

39 Charles is my BFF!

Posted by: fap-fap-fap-dragon at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (YVZlY)

40 Johnson had to call out Allah because of his integrity and courage.

Neither of those words apply to either of those people.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (ZJ/un)

41

Only a bully would snipe at a self-proclaimed beta male.

Posted by: Fritz at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (GwPRU)

42 Is that a ponytail or a horse's arse?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 10, 2010 11:14 AM (0QJjg)

43 Greetings Charles! I know you're reading these comments. Oh, by the way: Fuck You!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 10, 2010 11:15 AM (YVZlY)

44 Charles: Karma is a bitch, no?

Funny how Kos is ignoring him as well.

Must suck, hey middle age pedophile looking guy?

Posted by: eddiebear at June 10, 2010 11:15 AM (lMFSD)

45 Is that a ponytail or a horse's arse?

Check the amount of horse shit around it. If you see more than a few specks, it's a ponytail.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 10, 2010 11:15 AM (ZJ/un)

46
Me and my succulent sycophant Killgore are voting for Obama.  Why, do you ask?
He, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are AWESOME.  We like democrat spending, and all those up-in-smoke campaign promises that were conveniently  memeory holed.  I am now part of the memory hole. You all are a pack of racists.

au revoir!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:15 AM (0fzsA)

47 All you do is recycle the day's HotAir outrages in the inimitable aced-up paraphrastics.

All you do is post your stupid ass tripe that no one cares about in a comment section. Fuck off horse raper.

Posted by: taylork at June 10, 2010 11:16 AM (0Hn5w)

48 I think the outrage, faux or sincere, over "credit" for "breaking" stories on the part of bloggers is misplaced anyway and indicates that they don't understand their real value.  The value of bloggers is not so much in breaking stories as it is about putting them in context and disseminating them.  (The exception I might make would be Jawa and some of the anti-Jihad blogs who seem to do real hardcore research to reveal pro-Jihad sites and "out" Jihadists.)  LGF's policy of banning people or, even more amusingly, blocking them from even reading the site runs counter to any value LGF might have. 

If a story "breaks" at LGF and no one is there to read it, does it make a sound? 

Posted by: Y-not at June 10, 2010 11:18 AM (Kn9r7)

49
My outrages are better than your outrages.


Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:18 AM (0fzsA)

50 Chuckie Johnson is my valued friend. I've asked that he join me to celebrate the Religion of Peace!

Posted by: Prince Charles - Head Iman - Church of England at June 10, 2010 11:18 AM (YVZlY)

51 Back in the Rathergate days Allahpundit and CJ were friendly.  It is weird to see him talk about Allah like he doesn't know who he is and didn't have Allah's hilarious photoshops on his blog all the time.

Posted by: susanita at June 10, 2010 11:18 AM (FPtHm)

52 You still read LGF?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 10, 2010 11:19 AM (fYgoq)

53 Who give a shit if that douche nozzle is happy with Allah's attribution?  He's lucky we don't snatch him off his bicycle and give him a good beating and plunger raping.  Seriously, fuck LGF.

Posted by: What the fuck is a Kilgore Trout? at June 10, 2010 11:19 AM (8/DeP)

54 I'm just gleeful knowing that shit like this really bothers that fat fuck. And, yeah, Charles, because your OCD extends to only mentions of yourself, surely you are reading Ace's post and the comments therein. So, Chuck, go eat a bag of dicks, shove a finger down your throat, vomit up said dicks onto Killgore's racist asshole, lick it clean - and pick up a second bag o' cocks for your new bride to perform same. She prefers Killgore's ass to yours anyway. Fat prick!

Posted by: JDW at June 10, 2010 11:19 AM (uw+0A)

55 Aw, poor Charles!  What a whiny punk-tard emo git. 

CJ's ego might rival that of Obama's. 

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 10, 2010 11:19 AM (9hSKh)

56 Yeah, he is a punk.  Lots of them on the interwebs.

Posted by: Sam at June 10, 2010 11:21 AM (Cxsey)

57 JDW's right.  It's the ultimate victory that normal interactions send Charles Johnson into a complete miserable rage.

He's self defeating and angry about everything.  He lashes out in a way that has ruined what used to be a powerful resource and now is a laughing stock.  I don't hate this guy, even though he's a racist and a jerk.  I feel sorry for him.  He has victimized himself far worse than he's harmed anyone else.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:22 AM (dUOK+)

58

I really should contact one of the people ripped off by him to get him to write a post on this.

Please do. This is the second time you've mentioned it. I'd like to know the full story.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 11:22 AM (9Sbz+)

59

Allahpundit has added a whiny update, complaining about being caught in unethical behavior, and pretending it was a mistake. Just like Reuters made a mistake cropping the photos.

Really...REALLY?? is the really an apt comparison?? A dopey blog spat compared to an internation incident of life and death and our future.

Get a fuckin life DOOOD!

Somebody put some basic internetz/blog knowledge and tell me what the BIG fuckin deal is. Is it clicks, hits, money?? Are we talkin hundres, thousands, millions of pesos here? Isn't the story the STORY not freak in his basement who stumbled across the story.

 

   

Posted by: dananjcon at June 10, 2010 11:24 AM (pr+up)

60 The problem with crediting CJ with anything is that his name immediately discredits whatever it represents. Since the day when hundreds of his commenters personally attended the first national "Tea Party" and he flatly refused to accept their reports, nobody can trust him. He insisted upon relying only on the information he and KKKillgore Trout found at Nazi-sympathizing websites like Stormfront. He's the most dishonest man on the Internet. P.S. I've got a (maybe not thread worthy, but very interesting) story down here in NC that I'm trying to link to. A Republican pol being shoved and bullied by an "activist". I can't get it to play, but the local radio guys have the story down pretty well. Watch for yourself if you have a computer that actually works, unlike mine. http://tinyurl.com/38jeab3

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 10, 2010 11:24 AM (TPEo9)

61 BREAKING: Charles complains about getting ass-raped and lack of attribution, but mostly lack of attribution.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 10, 2010 11:25 AM (YVZlY)

62 Buy a cookbook, hit the tip jar and give me all your updings you effin toadies.

Posted by: vagabond trader at June 10, 2010 11:26 AM (tBiJf)

63 "I am rewriting that post to deny LGF credit." heh.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at June 10, 2010 11:27 AM (8x3SC)

64 Charles johnson is telling the interwebz that he's queer and he's still here, Fuck that twink asshole!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 10, 2010 11:27 AM (AzXkN)

65 This CJ guy is fucking crazy.

Posted by: Charles Manson at June 10, 2010 11:28 AM (6TByT)

66 I don't know what he looks like, but I'm imagining those ponytailed creeps on man-retreat, naked in a log cabin in the woods, high LSD and Safety Solvent, that they show on HBO latenight.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 10, 2010 11:28 AM (HaYO4)

67 Instantly, several people told me I was not allowed to read Ace of Spades and would be banned.

Heh.  That's pretty commie right there.

He has just assured that any snarky blogger will never give the credit over there.

Who did originally break rathergate btw?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 10, 2010 11:29 AM (aG/Y/)

68 I think the last remaining commenters there are Charles sock-puppeting.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at June 10, 2010 11:29 AM (8x3SC)

69 Pigs can't smell their own sty.

Posted by: Crusty at June 10, 2010 11:29 AM (GvSpB)

70

Poor Charles. Once the immediate threast of terrorism was past, he stopped being scared and reverted to his leftist roots, only to discover a universal truth: no one likes a turncoat. So, he's banned all the conservatives, and all he has are liberals who barely trust him. Plus, he still has a tiny enough shred of humanity to support Israel, which offends his new leftist base. My over/under on Charles rejecting Israel is 6 months. Shoot, he threw his idol Penn Jillette under the bus for being friends with Glenn Beck--since most of Israel's supporters are those evil conservative Christians who may believe in intelligent design, it'll be easy for him to justify it to himself when the time comes.

His own "karma" system testifies against him. When I was sent to the cornfield for no reason, my karma was ridiculously high, which means that people there thought my posts reflected the general ideas of the blog, back when it was nominally conservative. So, the fact that I was banned shows that I didn't change, Charles did.

Posted by: Palandine at June 10, 2010 11:30 AM (+ho3C)

71 Who did originally break rathergate btw?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 10, 2010 03:29 PM (aG/Y/)

Buckhead...Free Republic.  That's who Ace mentioned in this post.

Posted by: Tami at June 10, 2010 11:31 AM (VuLos)

72 Did Charles Johnson himself not out the names of people who'd donated money to him in the past, thereby making everyone on the right skittish about donating to other bloggers, wondering who will be the next to turn?

Ace, this is why I have never donated here.  Or to any other blog for that matter.

I am a red small biz owner in a deep blue state.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 10, 2010 11:33 AM (d1blB)

73 This is a recap of a couple of posts I made at HotAir. Apparently, no one read them.

Go over to Diary of Daedalus and look at the date/time stamps on the various screen shots.  I'm inclined to believe that the date/time stamps are indeed accurate for the servers.

Trout's post has a DTG of "Jun 6, 2010 at 7:05:48am" Pacific Daylight time.

Suzanne's post is at 3:37AM Sunday June 06, 2010, and Suzanne is believed to be in the Netherlands.  EofZ suggests Suzanne was 5 minutes later than Trout. Not sure where EofZ's server is,  but ...

No, check out this color timezone map.

The timezone that is at 3:00Am when LA is at 7:00AM is the one containing New Zealand.

1. If Suzanne's post was posted 32 minutes AFTER Trout's, then the EofZ server is likely in New Zealand.

2. If Suzanne's post was posted BEFORE Trout's, then the EofZ server is likely in the next timezone to the east: Kamchatka? One of a number of small pacific islands?

I doubt #2.  Is the Eof Z server in New Zealand?  My guess is no.

Suppose, instead that the EofZ server is in EUROPE.  Count the timezones from the Netherlands to LA (~9 zones); 3:37AM Sunday June 06, 2010 is 6:00PM SATURDAY JUNE 5.

If the EofZ server is in Israel, add another hour (5:00PM).

If the EofZ server is in the US or Canada, then Suzanne is at least 3 hours ahead of Trout.

Elder of Zion may not be widely read, but it is not unknown, not to someone with major powers of blog-fu.

Maybe Trout found these photo independently, but I have this ugly suspicion that Trout read Suzanne, then .....

Trout & Larches have some proof to provide.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 10, 2010 11:33 AM (BqSr3)

74 I remember LGF circa 2004 (heck, 2001-2007).

I do remember the slow spiral of "creationism" posts that started a rift in the commentariat. Then there was the whole "euro-fascists" thing with Gellar and eventually Spencer.

So I guess there was a gradual decline, but it still SEEMS like one day CJ just went all alpha-sierra for no appreciable reason.

Sad AND WTF at the same time.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong On His Mountain at June 10, 2010 11:33 AM (bxiXv)

75 Zimriel, why do you insist Charles Johnson didn't praise Kilgore Trout?

"his point is absolutely valid.  They are accepting a disgusting amount of racism and extremism at Hot Air."

This about Kilgore admitting he left the N Word on Hot Air.  And after years of Charles noting that site owners are not responsible for racism others leave on their sites.  And after the obvious implication that most, if not all, of the racism on Hot Air was left my LGF readers and other mobies.

Not even noting that Hot Air deleted every instance I saw, and Charles was lying to say they accepted that material, or that Charles accepted more of it... Charles is actually calling it "Absolutely Valid" to use the N-Word.  He's the one accepting disgusting racism and extremism.

I can't think of much more extreme in blog commenting than using starting a set of sockpuppets and leaving racial slurs to pretend the people you disagree with (but always win arguments against you) are actually racists.  That's so dishonorable.  It is so invalid (the premise being true that the hate speech was left, the conclusion that Hot Air tolerates racism is not true, thus invalid reasoning).  It's deliberately invalid.

Charles uses an extremely strong laudatory comment.  "Absolutely Valid" is not a qualified praise.  It's very strong praise that using hate speech is good argumentation.

It's dirty and unfair, and Charles is so long on the record that this tactic is unfair against him and his actually racist supporters, specifically because he knows his folks employ it against his enemies.

I think Ace is exactly right that Charles praised Kilgore Trout, and is thus a really fucked up individual.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:34 AM (dUOK+)

76 No preening Ace, but, this is exactly why I left h/a. AP has absolutely ZERO intestinal fortitude.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at June 10, 2010 11:36 AM (AxCSX)

77 Thanks for the link Ace.

Normally, I don't get into the middle of such matters. But this one just stuck out.

I really don't have a "dog in the fight", well, except for Johnson banning me for viewing his blog, for making a funny... which I didn't consider THAT big of a deal... But it just struck me as childish, stupid, idiotic, whatever you want to call it.

Anyhow, again, Mr. Ace. Thanks for the link man, it's been slow at my blog and revenue is down. So, again, thank you.

-Pat
Owner
Politicalbyline.com


Posted by: Patrick at June 10, 2010 11:37 AM (JxKrx)

78
Everyone on the GOP side has guilt-by-association issues.


If you don't agree with me, you are a filthy liar racist tea bagger John Birch society creationist nutjob racist.




Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:38 AM (0fzsA)

79

dana 60, Isn't the story the STORY not freak in his basement who stumbled across the story.

That's what Ace said a few days ago when he first commented on the Reuters story. Ace hat-tipped CJ, various commenters complained, and he (and Dang Straights, IIRC; maybe others) retorted that It Wasn't About CJ.

CJ, being CJ, didn't acknowledge Ace's action on his behalf against his own commenters; CJ has assumed that because Ace didn't run out there screaming, deleting, and whacking IP addresses with Tha Hamma that Ace was in on the big anti-LGF conspiracy.

What we're seeing here is Ace's belated chuck-you-farley.

As for whose side I'm on... keep in mind that the dispute isn't really between Ace and LGF - it's between Allahpundit and LGF. Ace has done (with nitpicking exceptions, cf. my #37) the right thing. And in a fight between Allahpundit and LGF these days I pretty much wish the best of luck for both sides.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 11:38 AM (9Sbz+)

80

Why isn't Charles on top of this breaking story?

Anthony Weiner Attacked by a Goat http://tinyurl.com/2uhhk59

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 10, 2010 11:38 AM (YVZlY)

81
Killgore Trout doesn't have a job, lives with his parents, and does what he can to troll the internet on my behalf.  It's all for your own racist good.


Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:40 AM (0fzsA)

82 Mother Earth shall get you for this blasphemy.  She and God quake at the needless CO2 generated by this posting. We are all doomed thanks to you, Ace.

I'm a stud, really.  I get lots of action.  I do.  Wanna see me get laid?

Oh.... yeah, and don't mess with my bud Charles. 

Posted by: Ludwig Van Quixote at June 10, 2010 11:41 AM (PV4U2)

83 "Did Charles Johnson himself not out the names of people who'd donated money to him in the past, thereby making everyone on the right skittish about donating to other bloggers, wondering who will be the next to turn?

Ace, this is why I have never donated here.  Or to any other blog for that matter.

I am a red small biz owner in a deep blue state.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 10, 2010 03:33 PM (d1blB)"


Without a doubt, a lot of bloggers recognize that LGF has badly damaged blogging as a whole.  His tactics of racist sockpuppeting being 'Absolutely Valid' and his tactic of embarrassing donors using their confidential donor information were incredibly selfish things to do.  They hurt the whole community, which Charles could care less about.


"Instantly, several people told me I was not allowed to read Ace of Spades and would be banned."

Heh.  That's pretty commie right there.

He has just assured that any snarky blogger will never give the credit over there.

Who did originally break rathergate btw?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 10, 2010 03:29 PM (aG/Y/)

What's amusing is that I listed a few lefty blogs too.  I don't just read shit I agree with.  They all picked Ace out of a list of blogs like Huffpo and Kos and told me I did not belong there.  I was on my tippietoes of being polite and didn't expect this at all.  Because I naive.

It was some Free Republic thread that exposed that the Rathergate memo was identical to MS Word output.  Charles ran with that story.  Most of his blog is outrage and occasionally expanding on other people's work.  I don't see the problem with that... that's normal blogging.  He really helped expand on Rathergate, of course.  His problem is that he demands credit for being the original news breaker when he's simply one in a chain.


Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:42 AM (dUOK+)

84 As a cob-logger, I've wondered how to handle situations where you have a three-or-four-link chain to the actual article or piece you want to link. Who gets the HT? The first link in the chain (i.e., the guy or gal who originally linked the source article), or the first link that led you on the trail?

Posted by: Monty at June 10, 2010 11:42 AM (4Pleu)

85 Lex Luthor, I read "absolutely valid" as like a sports commenter saying "absolutely legal" but not "absolutely fuckin' AWESOME". Admittedly it's a nit, because a blog reader could take it either way. And I agree that CJ was saying the former while thinking the latter. "Plausible deniability" and all that.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 11:44 AM (9Sbz+)

86 Kilgore Trout and Mandy Manners live their squalid lives squeezed between my butt cheeks, nestled against my taint.  That is the length and breadth and entire scope of their existence and perspective

Crude, you say?  When in Rome............

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at June 10, 2010 11:44 AM (JrRME)

87
GUILT BY ASSOCIATION! 


Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:45 AM (0fzsA)

88 Where is Cato the Elder?

Posted by: Pliny the Younger at June 10, 2010 11:46 AM (PV4U2)

89 the guy or gal who originally linked the source article), or the first link that led you on the trail?

Posted by: Monty at June 10, 2010 03:42 PM (4Pleu)

Why, you claim total credit for nearly everything and whine like an ugly neglected bitch if you are denied it

Posted by: Charles the Johnson at June 10, 2010 11:46 AM (JrRME)

90

What we're seeing here is Ace's belated chuck-you-farley.

As for whose side I'm on... keep in mind that the dispute isn't really between Ace and LGF - it's between Allahpundit and LGF. Ace has done (with nitpicking exceptions, cf. my #37) the right thing. And in a fight between Allahpundit and LGF these days I pretty much wish the best of luck for both sides.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 03:38 PM (9Sbz+)

Sooo is this what would be called a flame war or simply a blog war of sorts...I'm only a year into this blogging thing and don't know all the terminology. 

Posted by: dananjcon at June 10, 2010 11:47 AM (pr+up)

91 " Lex Luthor, I read "absolutely valid" as like a sports commenter saying "absolutely legal" but not "absolutely fuckin' AWESOME". Admittedly it's a nit, because a blog reader could take it either way. And I agree that CJ was saying the former while thinking the latter. "Plausible deniability" and all that.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 03:44 PM (9Sbz+)"


Fair enough.  I see it a lot differently.  One thing is for sure, it was not valid reasoning.  They left the comments in the middle of night.  It was a setup and they already went on and on for years that this precise argument is invalid.  Absolutely Valid strikes me simply as a lie, but also, as high praise for an argument.

You're dead right that he was trying to publicly show plausible deniability.  "I can't say this is good".  Not "this was bad".  Of course, when people used this argument against him, albeit not even nearly as nasty, Charles could give a more clear opinion.  

In my book, when someone does something obviously way over the line and evil, and the response is "I can't say it's good, but it's absolutely valid", I read that as an attempt to make as much praise without taking responsibility.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:48 AM (dUOK+)

92 @81 Did someone mention goats?  Yeah, you guessed it, I....will never tell, since I am a southern gentleman and whatever I may or may not have done in or around said goat may or may not be a 3rd degree felony in the state of South Carolina.

I must maintain the dignity of the editor-in-chief.

Posted by: Will Folks, Livestock Bowel Inspector for Sacred Honor at June 10, 2010 11:49 AM (ZESU0)

93 85 As a cob-logger, I've wondered how to handle situations where you have a three-or-four-link chain to the actual article or piece you want to link. Who gets the HT? The first link in the chain (i.e., the guy or gal who originally linked the source article), or the first link that led you on the trail?

Posted by: Monty at June 10, 2010 03:42 PM (4Pleu)

Mony, as I asked in a previous post; what are the stakes here? Clicks? Page views? Do click and page views translate into money? How does this shit work??

Or is it simply that somebody's fragile ego is hurt by a perceived slight?

Posted by: dananjcon at June 10, 2010 11:51 AM (pr+up)

94 For enjoyment, see CJ get his ass handed to him by lefty that's a lousy debater here.  Ad hom Ad hom Ad hom....

Funny how things work when you don't have a banning stick and legion behind you.

It's all part of my secret plan.... mwahahaha.

Posted by: Dr. Evil at June 10, 2010 11:51 AM (PV4U2)

95

Aaaaand WHAM. Ace pulls in Dan Riehl. The verdict is in, and CJ stands before us all guilty of first-degree bitchcraft.

You'd think CJ would get sick of tasting Ace's ass by now

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 11:52 AM (9Sbz+)

96 "As a cob-logger, I've wondered how to handle situations where you have a three-or-four-link chain to the actual article or piece you want to link. Who gets the HT? The first link in the chain (i.e., the guy or gal who originally linked the source article), or the first link that led you on the trail?

Posted by: Monty at June 10, 2010 03:42 PM (4Pleu)"


Ordinarily, I think this just doesn't matter all that much.  As long as you link to where you got the information, it's not a big deal at all.   There are thousands of active bloggers, and it's not even possible to concretely follow everything.  Hot Air has so much material on it that they probably just try to get people some good links and that's that.  No doubt Hot Air has been far, far, far nicer to LGF than LGF deserves.  Why AP and pals are so passive in response is a complete mystery to me.  LGF vandalized and smeared Hot Air in the worst way they could imagine.  4 Chan shows more restraint.  once you cross that line, I think it's fair to deny any contact.  It's like if Stormfront had the first hit on a story about the oil spill.  No one would notice or care, and there's no benefit in crediting them or sending readers there.  They are psychos.  Send people to better links.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 11:53 AM (dUOK+)

97 >>>As a cob-logger, I've wondered how to handle situations where you have a three-or-four-link chain to the actual article or piece you want to link. Who gets the HT? The first link in the chain (i.e., the guy or gal who originally linked the source article), or the first link that led you on the trail? yeah, usually I try to mention everyone in the 'information chain," but that can get silly and cumbersome, with an email tipster (who may be fowarding ANOTHER email tipster), and the link where that person found it, who links to the person who actually had the item first (and there, that person links to who tipped him). Apparently this story was floating around in emails for a few days before any blogger published it, which makes credit here... well, yeah, someone was first to publish, but for self-interested reasons CJ isn't rushing to credit the email writer with breaking the story.

Posted by: ace at June 10, 2010 11:55 AM (66DVY)

98 @95 Charles' argument:  "You're a Jew Hater."

Which may or may not be the case with the guy he debating*, but he sure does type a lot of words to just keep calling the guy an anti-Semite. Is that all he's got?


*And by "debate" I mean two libtards sissy-slapping each other.   

Posted by: Will Folks, Livestock Bowel Inspector for Sacred Honor at June 10, 2010 11:57 AM (ZESU0)

99 Wow, you have to be a real douchebag to make me sympathize and side with Allahpundit on just about anything nowadays.

Well done, Chuckles, I guess.

Posted by: Kensington at June 10, 2010 11:58 AM (aDdAT)

100
I am now campaigning for Harry "this war is lost" Reid. 
I hate the GOP.  The GOP disgusts me, and everyone in the GOP is guilty by association.  Whatever association is can dig up.  AND I will DIG.
The left?  I have no problem with the left.







Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:01 PM (0fzsA)

101 Charles' argument: "You're a Jew Hater." Oy gevalt. Always with the "hater". I'd give him such a pinch, I would, the schmendrick. He makes me so crazy I could just plotz.

Posted by: Monty at June 10, 2010 12:02 PM (4Pleu)

102 I lick windows,nice.

Posted by: Chirles Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:05 PM (nI40O)

103 Charles was snubbed by KOS and Huffpo, and all he can do is sell his shitty calendars and cookbooks.

Oh, and Chuckles, I know you or your 12 readers read this, so

FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU and your unemployed losers like Reine, Killgore, Iceweasel, and Cato The The Elder. I dare you fucking losers to come over here and debate

Posted by: eddiebear at June 10, 2010 12:07 PM (pv7cC)

104 "Wow, you have to be a real douchebag to make me sympathize and side with Allahpundit on just about anything nowadays.

Well done, Chuckles, I guess.

Posted by: Kensington at June 10, 2010 03:58 PM (aDdAT) "


LOL

I may not agree with AP on many things, but he has a moral compass and he's constantly bringing tons of material forward.  A lot of it is stuff I don't really need to read, but he at least has a sense of honorable behavior.  

I think the idea originally was for there to be a source with honorable people bringing in ideas from slightly left of center to fairly right of center.  A lot of disagreement to make Hot Air really valuable and interesting.

I don't think it worked exactly according to plan, but I'll take AP's manner over the style of others who might disagree with many conservatives.  I do like to know the arguments against my views even when I don't find them persuasive.  As a big Palin fan, this is a tough pill to swallow with AP, but AP is impressive in many ways.

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at June 10, 2010 12:07 PM (dUOK+)

105 So, the fact that I was banned shows that I didn't change, Charles did. Posted by: Palandine at June 10, 2010 03:30 PM

I'm still huge, it's the creationist bad crazy wingnut Ron Paul loving birther racist hater blogs on the right that got small

Posted by: Charles Norma Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:13 PM (sYxEE)

106 Fuck the pony-tailed douche.  He should be ignored into obscurity.

Posted by: Schlippy at June 10, 2010 12:13 PM (6N83V)

107 <blockquote>
Which may or may not be the case with the guy he debating*, but he sure does type a lot of words to just keep calling the guy an anti-Semite. Is that all he's got?


*And by "debate" I mean two libtards sissy-slapping each other.  </blockquote>

I assume you will not be hitting the tip jar? How about a cookbook? Photo Album? Autographed copy of the CJ Big Note Guitar Book?

Posted by: Charles at June 10, 2010 12:14 PM (PV4U2)

108 Allah, Ace, Yid, they all plotted against me. They laughed at my command, Old Green Stain and all that. But I proved they stole my strawberries, and with geometric logic .....

See my photo "Overnight Ball Bearing"

Posted by: Capt Charles Queeg Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:15 PM (sYxEE)

109 It's ronery , so ronery ....

Posted by: Charles Kim-Il Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:17 PM (sYxEE)

110

Haven't been there in years. Morons here are much more intertaining. And funnier. I can't tell you how many times I have been feeling like crap, read AOS, and felt crappier, er, better.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at June 10, 2010 12:18 PM (QMGr1)

111 Andrew Sullivan stopped for a visit last night, and now I can't find my Dan Fogelberg 8 track collection.

Not saying you took them Andrew, but I need proof that you don't have them

Posted by: Charles Comic Bookstore Johnson at June 10, 2010 12:20 PM (sYxEE)

112 You'll all see.

With geometric logic, I shall prove that Killgore Trout's 7:05am post really is 5 minutes before Suzann's 3:37AM post, due to server location relative to the International Date Line..

Just watch my blog for an upcoming geometrical proof.

And buy a cookbook.

And stop calling Killgore "Bucktoothed Guppy".

Posted by: Larches Sojnnoh at June 10, 2010 12:22 PM (BqSr3)

113 charles can be summed up in one word: unprofessional.

Anyone that would out people the way he did is a jerk. How could anyone ever take him seriously after doing such a thing? charles is so petty, maybe he could go work for the obama administration after his blog finally folds from a lack of any readership. He is a jerk. Period.

Posted by: mistress overdone at June 10, 2010 12:29 PM (2/oBD)

114 Heh.  I just got a Amazon Kindle spam email.

Posted by: damian at June 10, 2010 12:29 PM (4WbTI)

115

I see that Ace used the word "Integrity", CAPITALIZED even, with even a nod to Paul Anka.

There's some loose shit going on around here.

How can you not mention that the guys at LGF need to get shirts - don't make a fuckin' maniac out of me.

Posted by: connertown at June 10, 2010 12:31 PM (+q3dR)

116

And did Charles Johnson then not praise him for countenance and defend this stunt? And keep him on as a privileged moderator? (Zimriel writes I overstated initially.)

Hey Ace, I'm pretty sure upchucki was condoning and egging on the guppie's hotair actions mid-vandalism.  There are people out with screenshots.  Maybe they can put you some knowledge there and you can add his real-time cheerleading of that stunt.

Oh, and yeah, I'm one of those people scared shitless to donate anymore.  I'm afraid some whack job like sharmutant or walter foul mouth is going to show up at my door and force a situation I don't ever want to have to deal with.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 10, 2010 12:34 PM (cniXs)

117 Club soda does wonders for getting that blood out of the carpet.

Posted by: damian at June 10, 2010 12:37 PM (4WbTI)

118 Why is anyone still paying attention to LGF?

Posted by: packsoldier at June 10, 2010 12:39 PM (u8mFo)

119 His site is so pig-slow to load, I gave up following links there. Was suprised to see a link on Ace's site. Clicked on it anyway, and waited, and waited...

Posted by: TakeFive at June 10, 2010 12:51 PM (/3pxq)

120 I notice that Charles hasn't posted a word about Helen Thomas in the last week (at least, not on the main page).

CJ is obviously covering for BO, who was buddies with HT, who is an anti-semitic bigot.  Using the First Law of Charles, Charles is undeniably a Nazi.

Posted by: CM at June 10, 2010 12:59 PM (f14vX)

121 119 Why is anyone still paying attention to LGF?

Posted by: packsoldier at June 10, 2010 04:39 PM (u8mFo)

Mostly for case study purposes I would think.  Either the destruction of a once decent(? I don't know I never was interested in reading it) blog, or the personal destruction of an individual.

Posted by: buzzion at June 10, 2010 12:59 PM (oVQFe)

122 His site is so pig-slow to load, I gave up following links there.

Pffft.  You just don't appreciate performance-crushing features that can only be implemented by a way-out-of-his-depth hacker who just can't leave well enough alone.

Philistine.

Posted by: VJay at June 10, 2010 01:04 PM (gQ+XA)

123 You just don't appreciate performance-crushing features that can only be implemented by a way-out-of-his-depth hacker who just can't leave well enough alone.

Probably Java.  It should have been named Molasses.  Java can make any machine run like an old 386.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 10, 2010 01:24 PM (cUMWq)

124 We should raise funds for Charles so he can drive an automobile every now and then.  This blogging, coding, biking and sacrificial slogging is no way to go through life.  In a drop top he could at least gain a little perception on life.

Posted by: wtfci at June 10, 2010 01:29 PM (R4rMI)

125 119 Why is anyone still paying attention to LGF?
Posted by: packsoldier at June 10, 2010 04:39 PM

He's a sockpuppet comedy gold mine.

Posted by: kbdabear at June 10, 2010 01:39 PM (sYxEE)

126 Is Johnson still fouling the good air of Earth? Shit, I heard he had been recycled via a shit eating dog.

Posted by: maddogg at June 10, 2010 01:45 PM (OlN4e)

127 Man, maybe folks should give it a rest. It is likely that some neurological vascular injury or possibly a latent, undiagnosed mental illness have affected Mr. Johnson and it`s really not cool to rip on him too hard. I`m not joking, it sucks because I used to be a faithful reader. That being said, yeah, he doesn`t make a lot of sense anymore and I understand everyone`s disgust. Liberate yourself and let it go. 

Posted by: I eat cheetos while watching porn and now my penis is orange. at June 10, 2010 02:06 PM (6FBmU)

128 I`m not joking, it sucks because I used to be a faithful reader [of LGF]...

Posted by: I eat cheetos while watching porn and now my penis is orange

Now that's funny, right there.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 02:09 PM (9Sbz+)

129 I dare you fucking losers to come over here and debate

Posted by: eddiebear at June 10, 2010 04:07 PM (pv7cC)

I'd be there now except for this nice fellow with a fist full of pony tail an this 'Trout' that's exploring my innards.  And do you know how hard it is to run across the room with your speedos down around your ankles??


Posted by: CeeJayJay at June 10, 2010 02:25 PM (azgo2)

130 Being banned on LGF is akin to being bitten by a skeeter, and the skeeter leaves a mark.  CJ only leaves his mark on Kilgore.  (man-boy love edition?)

Posted by: codekeyguy at June 10, 2010 02:40 PM (buAn0)

131 I hear that Will Folks fucked Charles Johnson too.

Posted by: cackfinger at June 10, 2010 03:04 PM (TUBcJ)

132

You'd think CJ would get sick of tasting Ace's ass by now

Posted by: Zimriel at June 10, 2010 03:52 PM (9Sbz+)

It's almost as though he's mistaking Ace's ass for a salt lick.

Posted by: Bill H at June 10, 2010 04:43 PM (q8CmE)

133

So what is this; a fucking slap-fight between two of the biggest cunts on the intertubez?  Jesus, this is like playing with house money watching the pony-tailed ukulele player versus AllahPerezHilton.  I can't fucking lose on that.

The only thing better would be Bathtub Boy versus Thully.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 10, 2010 05:10 PM (naZzF)

134

Any post exposing CJ the Whiney is a good post.

Why doesn't the media give him credit? It's because they actually do SOME source-work and Charles generally ain't it.

Sorry, Charlie.

 

Posted by: USCitizen at June 10, 2010 08:31 PM (ySzD5)

135 I suspect CJ could benefit from certain psychiatric medications......

Posted by: Paul at June 10, 2010 10:27 PM (BV6RS)

136
I'm a free speech Nazi.  If you even think about something I disagree with, you will be banned.

I bid you adieu!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 11, 2010 05:21 AM (0fzsA)

137 Charles "Pedo" Johnson took a comment I left on HA but edited the comment I was responding to try to make me look like a racist. His stats really really suck.

Posted by: moi at June 11, 2010 09:16 PM (Ez4Ql)

138 I'm with Lex Luthor. After the KT incident, Charles Pedo Johnson went on a rampage calling AP, Ed, and HA commenters racists. So, yeah, as far as I'm concerned he was behind KT's bullshit.

Posted by: moi at June 11, 2010 09:20 PM (Ez4Ql)

139 *calls charles johnson a crying bitch*

*cries and bitches endlessly about charles being more relevant that him*

*is ace*

Posted by: spacejesus at June 11, 2010 10:21 PM (Oniwh)

140 REPENT!

Posted by: John The Baptist at June 12, 2010 09:05 AM (IrxX/)

141 If Charles Pedo Johnson had any relevancy at all, it has long passed. . HotAir is one of the top blogs and has 10 times the visitors than the crappy old Pedo blog your boyfriend runs.

Posted by: moi at June 12, 2010 09:17 AM (Ez4Ql)

142 Here he can be seen in this video soaking up all the praise and credit for the Dan Rather documents expose.

1:19 - 2:03.

http://tinyurl.com/3ymtc2v


Posted by: Ray. at June 12, 2010 09:54 AM (x9jUt)

143 spacey: is that all you got?

Tell that pedophile looking assclown if he sold more cookbooks....

Posted by: eddiebear at June 12, 2010 10:57 AM (c5NVr)

144 oh, and Spacey: I noticed you failed to debate the merits/demerits of Ace's argument, thus admitting he is correct.

Oh, and tell Chuckles to get his ponytail cut. A fat, perverted old man with one is quite unbecoming

Posted by: eddiebear at June 12, 2010 11:08 AM (c5NVr)

145

But somehow the media keeps getting the idea that Charles Johnson was the originator, or at least "the central blogger" in RatherGate.

Does he correct them?...

Here he can be seen in this video soaking up all the praise and credit for the Dan Rather documents expose.

http://tinyurl.com/3ymtc2v

Posted by: Ray. at June 12, 2010 01:13 PM (8gQN+)

146 I did not have sex with Charles Johnson.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 12, 2010 01:15 PM (8gQN+)

147 Who is Charles Johnson, and what is LGF, and who gives a shit anyway, since they're such obscure entities that this political junkie never heard of them? Ace's  obsession with Charles Johnson and Andrew Sullivan is weird.

Posted by: Seems to me Charles Johnson is almost as irrelevant as Andrew Sullivan is. at June 13, 2010 05:31 AM (sYrWB)

148 no need eddie, charles already handed ace his ass over at lgf with a new post.

Posted by: spacejesus at June 13, 2010 03:24 PM (Oniwh)

149 Put down the crack pipe, little green troll!

Posted by: moi at June 15, 2010 05:07 PM (Ez4Ql)

150 spacey: really? That's a "takedown"?

Posted by: eddiebear at June 15, 2010 10:03 PM (XzzSQ)

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