1 You've got me!

2 Cato Institute gave him an 'A' on fiscal policy, the only Dem governor to get that rating.

I wonder how it feels, being the last of your kind...

3 I expected to see some of these racers to tighten up after labor day.

4 This race is one that I really haven't been keeping up with.  Manchin is the repub?

5 Raese has my endorsement.

6
Something tells me the WV Coal Association is as crooked as Nancy Pelosi's old fingers.

7 If things play out like they now appear, how satisfying will it be to see how OBi-Won's, "You've got me", boast will be contrasted with the 2010 outcome?

8 Manchin is the Dem and current WV governor.

9 I'd say lots of organizations are wanting not to piss off Manchin in case he wins, because he'll be there until he dies if he gets in.

10 According to the PPP survey, Obama's job ratings were 30-percent approve to 64-percent disapprove.

Wow.

11

Even more surprising is todayÂ’s endorsement from the West Virginia Coal Association, which is a very direct slap at Raese, who is in the coal business.

Anyone on the ground there know how much that actually matters?  From the outside it sounds pretty bad - just wondering what kinda clout they have with the voters or if anyone really cares what they think.

12 Does Raese have the nerve to say, in effect, "he's a better governor than he would be Senator; keep him governor and vote for me?

LOL

13 Manchin has 70% approval rate and he's still getting his ass handed to him by Raes?

Next time MSM dipshit mentions how Obama "remains popular", remind them of this.

14

Goddamnit, how many times do people have to talk about how the NRA picks endorsements and that they're a gun rights group not a conservative group?

Machin's been in government and thus has an established voting and executive record in relation to gun rights. Raese, although I'm certain he's very pro gun, does not have that record. NRA will always go for the actions over the words, even if the words are very nice.

15 Cook still has FLA as a toss-up. Shyah, right.

16

 Manchin is the Dem and current WV governor.

 

Ah.  Fuck 'im then.  Go Raese!

 

17 Gov. Manchin is a lifelong hunter and sportsman and as West Virginia's governor, he signed Castle Doctrine legislation into law to restore the right to self-defense in a person's home and property along with legislation to increase reciprocity for right-to-carry permit holders in West Virginia.  He also signed Emergency Powers legislation into law that prohibits gun confiscation during states of emergency as happened after Hurricane Katrina; No-Net-Loss of hunting lands into law that ensures adequate access to public hunting land; and a bill to prevent anti-gun New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun dealer entrapment schemes.


It's hard to fault the NRA here. Manchin has been a ridiculously staunch supporter of gun rights.

18
If the NRA doesn't have enough brains to figure out that more (R)'s in the Senate = more 2nd Amendment protection...

19 they're a gun rights group not a conservative group

I hear ya and agree with the only concern being what kind of majority leader would Machin vote for?

20 Machin's been in government and thus has an established voting and executive record in relation to gun rights. Raese, although I'm certain he's very pro gun, does not have that record. NRA will always go for the actions over the words, even if the words are very nice.

The NRA doesn't realize that Manchin will vote for Dem leadership, which is anti-gun?

21

Goddamnit, how many times do people have to talk about how the NRA picks endorsements and that they're a gun rights group not a conservative group?

Machin's been in government and thus has an established voting and executive record in relation to gun rights. Raese, although I'm certain he's very pro gun, does not have that record. NRA will always go for the actions over the words, even if the words are very nice.

Posted by: Spade at September 30, 2010 03:55 PM (7WUru)

when control of one of the houses of congress are in the air and your choice is the group that is the gun grabbers even if this individual isn't one or the group that actually says the second amendment means exactly what it says, who should they endorse?  Sure they're not a conservative group but they need to view things with a much larger scope than they have been. 

22 Did someone say gun and coal in the same sentence? That's very scary. Oooohh.

23 Even more surprising is todayÂ’s endorsement from the West Virginia Coal Association, which is a very direct slap at Raese, who is in the coal business.

Has Manchin come out against Cap N' Tax? Has he been asked about Obama's desire to bankrupt the coal industry?

Overall, people have to realize there is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore. Whatever they claim on the campaign trail, they've shown they will give Pelosi and Obama their votes when needed.

24 o/t:  Am nearly foaming at the mouth.  While deadline to veto or they will become law by default approaches in a few hours (2 bills giving illegals in-state tuition and other perks)  der goober-nator is busy at this daughter' book signing, tweeting about success of same!  In the meanwhile, phone lines to his office in Sacramento are jammed and the asshole fiddles while California goes up in flames.  California is hopeless, am praying people in other states are a bit smarter.  Well, they have to be - they do not come any more stupid than Californians.

25

Goddamnit, how many times do people have to talk about how the NRA picks endorsements and that they're a gun rights group not a conservative group?

Machin's been in government and thus has an established voting and executive record in relation to gun rights. Raese, although I'm certain he's very pro gun, does not have that record. NRA will always go for the actions over the words, even if the words are very nice.

Undeniably true. See Dingell, John, who is Demunist except for that one gun issue, where he is *always* reliably pro-gun. Hence he gets NRA support.

26
Now is not the time to be shorting pudding stock.

27 Over the weekend the FBI announced that it was investigating Joseph Iosbaker for possible connections to overseas terror groups. Iosbaker and his wife Stephanie Weiner, both anti-war activists, are suspected of activities "concerning the material support of terrorism

Would that have any thing to do with the FBI raiding Obama's coreligionist radical buddy?  You know, the White House visitor?

http://tinyurl.com/34d5yof

28 I wonder how it feels, being the last of your kind...

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at September 30, 2010 03:50 PM (GBXon)

There is no reason to believe he won't vote with the rest of the Dems in the Senate, whatever his record in WV.

29 front's comin'

( even to the hills and hollers )

30

when control of one of the houses of congress are in the air and your choice is the group that is the gun grabbers even if this individual isn't one or the group that actually says the second amendment means exactly what it says, who should they endorse?  Sure they're not a conservative group but they need to view things with a much larger scope than they have been. 

From the NRA perspective, control of Congress by either party isn't important so long as individual members vote pro-2nd Amendment.  There's a reason that the Dems haven't been pushing anti-gun votes despite holding the White House, House and Senate- it would be a death sentence for the "conservative" Dems in red districts if they voted for it.

Every so often you hear about an anti-gun bill, but lately they've been destined to die in committee.

31 NRA also has endorsed Ellsworth (D) in Indiana:

Thursday, September 30, 2010

Fairfax, Va.-- The National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) is endorsing Brad Ellsworth for election to the U.S. Senate this November.

"Brad Ellsworth has defended the Second Amendment freedoms and hunting traditions of Indianans in the U.S. House of Representatives," said Chris W. Cox, chairman of NRA-PVF. "He has earned the NRA-PVF endorsement in his bid for the U.S. Senate."

32

OT, but just gotta share this headline (note the big weepy picture - it's hard to miss):

"Suit from Meg WhitmanÂ’s maid highlights growing Latino disenchantment with GOP"

One question: when was the Latino majority ever enchanted with the GOP?

33 Does anyone get the sense there is a growing rift between the FBI and Team Obama's bull shit and the real threat of domestic extremists who are linked between the DNC and Obama?

34 At some point, won't those endorsements scare off some of the Dems core voters.

35

It's hard to fault the NRA here. Manchin has been a ridiculously staunch supporter of gun rights

Yes, it would be ass to turn on the guy now just because he has a GOP challenger. I think when you have Donks who seem almost like real Americans you have to stick by them.

Also, endorsing a Dem here and there keeps the GOP from taking gun rights groups for granted.

36 Cook says Toss Up, but I say Manchin is gonna be tossin' salads Nov 3.

37 Exactly right Hollowpoint.

Also, if the NRA decided to simply pick R's instead of the most reliable, pro-gun votes, what would happen to their Democrat members? I know many, and sometimes it seems that gun rights are all we agree on, but I'm glad for their numbers.

38
Dan Coates in IN doesn't have a good pro-2ndA record?

Come on, NRA, you endorsed Ellsworth over Coates? Bull shit.

39

Yeah the judges the Democrats, including these NRA endorsed dems, put on the Federal benches throughout the country are just fantastic NRA supporters.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2010 04:19 PM (m2CN7)

 

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!!!

40
NRA sucks and has sucked since Clinton was in office.

GOAL is much better.

41

One question: when was the Latino majority ever enchanted with the GOP? Posted by: MWR

Mas cerveza, señor!

42 I'm about freaking tired of the NRA endorsing Democrats.  The Democrat Party is not Gun Friendly.

43

I'm an NRA Life member and I'm concerned that the NRA keeps screwing the fucking pooch on things lately.

That said, Dan Coats voted for an assault weapons ban

Fuck him sideways



Supporting

44 Living here in this state it's very easy to explain the 30% rating for Obummer almost everything and everyone here is in some way engaged in the coal business either your a miner or a small business that supply's stuff to the mines or you work in a town that has a mine and they bring money into town on payday and everyone knows that Obummer is trying to drive their lively hood out of business,and Raese has been hitting Manchin pretty hard on just being a rubber stamp for the Dem's he's had some pretty good ads running here every hour for the last couple of weeks my money and my vote is going to him and we will just keep Manchin as a Gov. that does pretty well.

45 Cato Institute gave him an 'A' on fiscal policy, the only Dem governor to get that rating.

Jesus on a bicycle.  With all the Federal money that the late-Sheets was having funneled into the State any one of us would have gotten an 'A' for fiscal policy from Cato.

46

Yeah the judges the Democrats, including these NRA endorsed dems, put on the Federal benches throughout the country are just fantastic NRA supporters.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2010 04:19 PM (m2CN7)

That's the big picture that I say the NRA should be looking at. They just endorsed the Dem hack in my district yesterday, because of his past record. But I'll bet if he wasn't representing a district like mine here in PA he wouldn't be so pro-NRA. Then they turned around and also gave the Republican a top rating too except he doesn't have a Congressional voting record but they endorsed the Dem. That's a bullshit move. Kind of hedging their bet. I dropped my membership this year anyway, screw them.  

47 Yeah, polynikes makes a pretty good point there.

48 #25
How about Vermont?

49 Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2010 04:22 PM (m2CN7)

I don't have a clue, a very low percentage of my friends are Democrats, but I do have some, and some family and in-laws that are. Most of the ones I associate with are members of the NRA.













 

50 The WV Coal Association has no pull with the voters whatsoever. It represents the owners, not the miners. It's essentially an endorsement from lobbyists.

51 By the way, can anyone answer why Nicandra Diaz-Santillan, the illegal immigrant who worked for Meg Whitman, is still in this country?  Why hasn't ICE iced her and put her on a bus back to her casa?

52

 Living here in this state it's very easy to explain the 30% rating for Obummer almost everything and everyone here is in some way engaged in the coal business either your a miner or a small business that supply's stuff to the mines or you work in a town that has a mine and they bring money into town on payday and everyone knows that Obummer is trying to drive their lively hood out of business,and Raese has been hitting Manchin pretty hard on just being a rubber stamp for the Dem's he's had some pretty good ads running here every hour for the last couple of weeks my money and my vote is going to him and we will just keep Manchin as a Gov. that does pretty well.

Please learn to use a few more periods.  PLEASE!

53 For the record Friends of Coal endorsed Raese and they are the real power here in the coal fields.

54 #55
Prolly a sanctuary city thing. I don't think ICE does anything on its own. If the local law enforcement agencies ignore it, so do they. Even if locals law enforcement does act, ICE ignores it.

55 But Intrade has Manchin up 20 points!

56


Hey hey hey soona.

Periods are EXPENSIVE in W Va.

57 need to remember to change my socks :/

58 One thing to keep in mind about the NRA and the fact that it is a "Gun Rights" organization vs a "Political Organization".  Many parts of the NRA are tax exempt. If the only people they endorsed were Republicans they would no longer be eligible for tax exempt status. They would be a political organization which is not tax exempt.

59 No really lack of periods are expensive here ask any miner that pay's child support.

60 NRA isn't tax exempt.

61

That's the big picture that I say the NRA should be looking at. They just endorsed the Dem hack in my district yesterday, because of his past record. But I'll bet if he wasn't representing a district like mine here in PA he wouldn't be so pro-NRA. Then they turned around and also gave the Republican a top rating too except he doesn't have a Congressional voting record but they endorsed the Dem. That's a bullshit move. Kind of hedging their bet. I dropped my membership this year anyway, screw them.  

Posted by: PoconoJoe at September 30, 2010 04:32 PM (xQqRf)

Basically their position is that as a long as an incumbent votes our way we're in favor of the incumbent.  But do they look at the judges voted for by the Senators?  The effects that vote has on Judicial anti-gun activism? We won Heller by one vote; I'm sure Kagan was voted for by Democrats the NRA endorsed.

Or the fact that the Party in power sets the legislative agenda? If the Dems weren't in control of Congress we wouldn't have to worry about the laws they put forth.  There wouldn't be Democrats who voted against a bill....be cause the bill wouldn't have made it that far.

So this all shows that the NRA is invested in the good ol' boy network.  They do not deserve your money.

62

Even more surprising is todayÂ’s endorsement from the West Virginia Coal Association, which is a very direct slap at Raese, who is in the coal business.

My understanding was that Manchin didn't resign the Governor's office, and that if he lost, he would still be Governor, correct? if so, then that might explain the way endorsements are being parcelled out. If Raese wins, he'll win himself some new friends, but Manchin will still be in the Governor's seat.

63 BTW -  Charlie Cook now has 13 races in his toss-up bucket.

Come on Cook -- make the call, you tubby four-eyed wuss.

64 Nicky Diaz should be charged and deported and Meg Whitman should face the existing penalties under current US law as well. No Amnesty for Whitman or Diaz, the Rule of Law must be restored in America.

And the Postal Inspectors of the United States Postal Service better be looking into how Nicky Diaz happens to have mail addressed to another person in her possession. The inspectors of the Social Security Administration need to be looking into whether Nicky Diaz intercepted official correspondence to Ms. Whitman...which is another Federal crime.

65 So this all shows that the NRA is invested in the good ol' boy network.

Quilly Mammoth


The NRA has an explicitly declared pro-incumbent stance, see the NRO interview with Chris Cox.

Also, the NRA has taken an official "no position" position in the Nevada and Florida senate races, so big no help there.

66 i've already told the NRA to go fuck themselves several times this year but i just recieved a letter about renewing my membership, oddly enough after i told them to DIAF last renew letter. maybe i'll call them up and when it comes credit card time say what were you thinking about in west virgina? no cc numbers for you and btw i wiped my sweaty dick on your pillow.

67 NRA isn't tax exempt.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at September 30, 2010 04:40 PM (xQqRf)

Many of its subparts are.

68 The NRA has an explicitly declared pro-incumbent stance, see the NRO interview with Chris Cox.

Also, the NRA has taken an official "no position" position in the Nevada and Florida senate races, so big no help there.

Which is why I give to the 2nd Amendment Foundation. It's time for the NRA to realize who their roots are, and why a pro-incumbent position is bad.  How many NRA endorsed Senators voted for Kagan?  Think she's pro-2nd?

69

As a long-time NRA member, I just sent this to LaPierre, after I got the 20th email from them in three weeks:

"Stop sending me your shit, you miserable Democrat cocksuckers.

I quit your fucking fraud of an organization, you pimps." 

 

 

70 48 Living here in this state it's very easy to explain the 30% rating for Obummer almost everything and everyone here is in some way engaged in the coal business either your a miner or a small business that supply's stuff to the mines or you work in a town that has a mine and they bring money into town on payday and everyone knows that Obummer is trying to drive their lively hood out of business,and Raese has been hitting Manchin pretty hard on just being a rubber stamp for the Dem's he's had some pretty good ads running here every hour for the last couple of weeks my money and my vote is going to him and we will just keep Manchin as a Gov. that does pretty well.

Posted by: TEE866 at September 30, 2010 04:31 PM (nO7Mi)

You're AoSHQ's James Joyce!

71 if so, then that might explain the way endorsements are being parcelled out. If Raese wins, he'll win himself some new friends, but Manchin will still be in the Governor's seat.

My thinking as well. It's actually pretty easy to follow the logic here. If Manchin loses, he's still governor and you don't want to be the one who turned your back on the governor. If Raese wins, you can explain that your hands were tied because you didn't want to be the one who turned his back on the governor.

Elections are shakedowns.

72 77 48 Living here in this state it's very easy to explain the 30% rating for Obummer almost everything and everyone here is in some way engaged in the coal business either your a miner or a small business that supply's stuff to the mines or you work in a town that has a mine and they bring money into town on payday and everyone knows that Obummer is trying to drive their lively hood out of business,and Raese has been hitting Manchin pretty hard on just being a rubber stamp for the Dem's he's had some pretty good ads running here every hour for the last couple of weeks my money and my vote is going to him and we will just keep Manchin as a Gov. that does pretty well.

Posted by: TEE866 at September 30, 2010 04:31 PM (nO7Mi)

You're AoSHQ's James Joyce!

Posteyes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down Jo me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.

73 The NRA endorsed Chet Culver (D) for governor in Iowa. Sarah Palin endorsed Terry Branstad (R). Even if you don't like Palin, you have to believe she is gun rights friendly. This doesn't make sense, unless NRA gets a lot of Dem funding, which I find hard to believe.

Who's side are they on? Weren't they going to endorse Harry Reid, too? Might as well go all in on Warren Grayson (D)ouche, FL.

74 The message from the people of West Virginia should be something like:

"Manchin, we like you and we think you are going to be good for West Virginia but not right now.  Not until your team has a different head coach.  If you play for that guy, it's 'God help us'.  Maybe next time."

75 84 Cornyn*.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 30, 2010 06:13 PM (uCjoj)

Same difference.

76 Posted by: In Before the Troll who is In Before the Troll at September 30, 2010 04:38 PM (7+pP9) Thanks for the support, homey!

77 Jay, I don't know if you know it, but our 'Shall issue' law was signed this year by the Big Lug.

I'm going to vote for 'one term Terry', as we called him the first time we voted his dumb ass in, but what did he ever do for gun rights?

78 Something else I don't understand, do any of you want to change anyone else's mind about anything? Some people are Democrats because their parents were, and grandparents, and so on. When you point out to them that they actually work for a living and take care of themselves and their families, and that those are conservative values, not liberal, they will sometimes see that and start voting conservative. My in-laws are like that. They vote conservative, but they are still Democrats.

On the other hand, if you tell every Democrat you meet that they are too stupid to breath the same air as real people, they will tell you to go fuck yourself. And they are also still Democrats. 

You can't persuade anyone to your way of thinking by telling them how stupid they are.

79 Why is Manchin even a Democrat?

80 I just returned to Fla. from Boone County WVA, and actually saw a sign for Raese in  the yard of a UMWA member.  I also saw a few signs for Spike Maynard who is running for congress.  It wasn't much, but it could be an oman for Nov 2.

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