1

What's Ace still doing up?

2 If you walk I'll tax your feet bitchez!

3 I hope the bearded clam beats the bearded Marxist November 2.

4 No No No ... You'll tax the street and fine our feet ... to the beat ...

5 Thanks, Ace. We needed this. I was in favor of Castle, but I'm calling on all fellow Castle supporters to get behind the nominee. I was as critical of O'Donnell as anyone (see various comment threads at HotAir), but whatever faults she has are nothing compared to Chris Coons. We go to war with the army we have, and if Christine O'Donnell has a tough road ahead of her then that means we all have to get out and push. I'm in it to win it. Crush the Dems. Make them pay for what they've done. I want them so utterly devastated on November 3rd that they beg us to repeal ObamaCare.

6 O'Donnell needs a coonskin cap with a red star on the front.

7 O'Donnell needs a coonskin cap with a red star on the front.

I find that statement curiously arousing.

8 O'Donnell lived off her campaign contributions?!?! OH NOES!! She's guilty of not being independently wealthy! Wait, she doesn't like porn!?!? Holy shit! It's like she doesn't like the exploitation of women or something! (anyone remember how much the feminist movement hated porn until Lewinsky? Steinem called her "sexually self-willed"...so porn was now OK!)...

...oh right, this is about Coons. 25% property tax hike. That right there deserves a crushing defeat in November.

9 8 O'Donnell lived off her campaign contributions?!?! OH NOES!! She's guilty of not being independently wealthy!

Posted by: g at September 17, 2010 02:16 AM (gU6mL)

Shit, fuckin' A.  The right way to do it is be a gold digger and marry a rich guy to subsidize your political career.  You can't get more feminist than that!

10

<sub>O'Donnell lived off her campaign contributions?!?! OH NOES!! She's guilty of not being independently wealthy!
Posted by: g at September 17, 2010 02:16 AM (gU6mL)

Shit, fuckin' A.  The right way to do it is be a gold digger and marry a rich guy to subsidize your political career.  You can't get more feminist than that!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein at September 17, 2010 02:20 AM (BP6Z1)</sub>

What's the matter.  Your Daddies didn't love you?

11 My pet would never refuse to put the lotion on its skin.

12

Ever since I rebuked him, he hasn't tried to gnaw on his kitteh.

13 My pet is lighter than a light-skinned negro, and he has no discernable ghetto accent.

14 Check with Christie about what you do with spending commitments.

15 Harry, why you puttin' the peanut butter there?

16 Stop humping my leg, you stupid mutt!

17

If Coons is that far left, OD might pull it off.

18 He's gonna tax baby teeth as they fall out as a calcium deposit capital gains, that's the talking point for this guy.

19 Harry, HARRY!  Ixnay on the etpay!

20

calcium deposit capital gains

Heh!

Shit will likewise be considered a capital gain, as it can be used for fertilizer.

21 The oil from your skin?  You guessed it. 

22 It's too bad there's no way to reduce those troublesome spending obligations.  If you only there were some way to lessen them if you felt they were unnecessary and didn't have to soak hard working people to pay them off.


When I said O'Donnell had about no shot of winning, I apparently severely discounted how much of a dumbass Coons is.

23 My Coons, my pal/
You sit on my lap/
You're a friendly sort of chap

A little bit of grey and a little bit of white/
I'll tell you, little Coons/
You're doing all right

24 1

What's Ace still doing up?

Posted by: Cicero at September 17, 2010 02:04 AM (eCkV5)

He's conceding, in his own moronic way, that he's going to owe all of us O'Donnell supporters a HUGE apology after we (meaning conservatives; not just O'Donnell supporters) win big on November 3rd.  It's okay, Ace.  I accept your apology.  I'll be balls-deep in pudding right there with you.

25

If OD can win, it'll be the "fuck you" heard round the world.  This is the silver lining about Obama.  He grabbed so hard and so unskillfully for the ring of socialism, he's stomping out its last embers.

Does socialism have a ring?  Embers?  I'm starting to write like a scientist.

26 Hello, my pet.  Let me make you a little more comfortable.  I'll put on some Barry White and we can...talk.

27 Ace... I expect daily poling (no pun intended) on the Reid and Coons races.

28

 Holy shit! It's like she doesn't like the exploitation of women or something!

Wrong, she doesn't like the exploitation of men.  I oughta know, I'm a victim.

29 Reading that poliitco piece about OD and coons at the Jewish forums today, I came away impressed with OD. She went a long way in rebutting the negative attacks from primary. That said, I hope this race doesn't dominate the general. There are litterally over a hundred other sen house and gov races to keep an eye on. The last thing we need is the deleware race to become a proxy for all the others. Especially since Coons is NOT an incumbent. Can't blame him on bad exonony.

30 Coons being such a lefty is such an incredible break.  It could be argued that he's the unelectable one, especially in this political climate.

31 Crap.  Um, I mean.  I do so love the word "such."

32 Such this, my pet.

33 Christine O'Donnell is an ill-spoken extremist.

34 Has Castle congratulated her on her victory?

35 Coons says the increases were necessary because New Castle County, despite its surplus, was saddled with extravagant spending obligations made by his predecessor.

The obvious answer to extravagant spending is to stop it, then cut the spending until the extravagance has been excised.

36 Oh god Delaware refuses to go away. Can we cut the DELMARVA off and let it drift out to sea?

37 So he has the whole "blame the predecessor" thing goin' on. Mandatory these days.

38 I think York got a lot of this information from the NRSC. They issued 2 press releases, one on 9/8/10 and this one, that I sent Ace to start the "healing", on 9/9/10. The one issued on 9/9/10 actually has sites where they got their info, and some additional stuff, I think.

39 Coons was supposed to be the Dems' sacrificial lamb for the Castle coronation. The Dems were as unprepared for the O'Donnell upset as the Pubs were. That's why there are whispers of the Dems pulling a Torricelli and dumping Coons for Beau Biden.

40 Heh heh heh....heh heh....

41

C O'D at $1.3 million and climbing

....Coons seeking a campaign vagina tax!!

42 Ace is up because he can be . . .

43

Hey!

Doesn't the DE GOP still have an FEC complaint against Christine O'Donnell?

Is it true that the Republican Party of Delaware has an FEC complaint lodged against its own nominee for US Senate?

That would be awkard.

44

With the club for growth behind C'OD  . . . we ain't going to let her fail. 

In the Key of Life, Sir Duke, by Stevie Wonder . . . that's going to be the campaign's beat baby.

45 why there are whispers of the Dems pulling a Torricelli and dumping Coons for Beau Biden.

Will Beau use his last name in his campaign or go the way of Reid's kid and just go by his first name?

46

As for Beau Biden not running for his dad's seat, I've had a hunch that he was passed over for Mike Castle.

It sounds strange, but I think Castle was the White House's choice all along. I think they had a deal with some high-ups in the RNC- Castle promising different things to both the White House and his Republican backers while agreeing to keep mum about the arrangement. Both parties thinking they got what they wanted out of the deal.

For me at least, this explains the seemingly bizarre behaviour of Rove, Krauthammer and the NRSC.

Given the Blagojevic scandal, its hard for me to believe that the White House wasn't involved in some nefarious horse-trading for Biden's vacated seat. The slut O'Donnell and those piratical Teabaggers came along and fucked up the whole arrangement.

And yes, I'm completely insane.

47

Kind of reminds me of the advice my dad gave me when I started to drive.  He said if I'm ever in an accident, don't say anthing that would admit fault on the spot.  You never know what the other guy might've been doing that caused or contributed to it.

That advice would seem to apply for political campaigns too...check out the other guy before throwing in the towel in defeat or airing your dirty laundry.

48 Sartana...given what I've heard and read about what's going on in DE (I'm in Philly, and work for a place with a large DE presence)...you're not far off the mark. The narrative, as far as I can tell, is that Biden Jr would stick with his job as Delaware's AG. Castle would win the "Biden" seat and retire after his 4 years, whereupon Beau would take over. Coons was supposed to run against Castle, lose quietly, and continue his gravy state job. And now O'Donnell and the Tea Party, whatever you think of them, have thrown a big wrench into that plan.

49 Coons says the increases were necessary because New Castle County, despite its surplus, was saddled with extravagant spending obligations made by his predecessor.


Wow! Bush was New Castle County Exec too?

50

But, but, but, Bill O'reilly said she only made 6,000 dollars in income last year. She clearly is not qualified for public office. Sarc.

Christine O'Donnell should have had a sex change operation and married a rich socialite like McCain, Kerry and Castle did. This would  accomplish 4 things. First, you can't attack a Tranny on their sexual opinions and MSNBC would  love him. Second, lots of money so no critique on his lowly earnings. Third, a "socialite" wife would get him into all the right parties in DC. And 4th, being a dude would keep all these attacks away. Just ask the new ladies of the Republican party if there might be some truth to that one.

 

Yep, Chris O'Donnell, thats the ticket.  And with a Justin Bieber doo, he would still be one cute Pol.

51 so great news! zentai suits

52
Brasi, when you say "the narrative", are you referring to whisperings about actual goings-on that you've been privy to, or are you merely having general suspicions as I am. Something really stinks about this whole DE imbroglio and I hope it doesn't get swept under the rug.

BTW, I've been a partisan for O'Donnell on these threads- the slut comment about O'Donnell was just sargasm, and I actually consider the term "piratical Teabagger" a compliment.

Here are some pictures for your enjoyment, open them up side by side in different tabs and you'll laugh.

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53 As it turns out, there's plenty to attack, if Republicans ever get around to it.


Hey here's a good idea for an ad:

Political insiders and the pundits suggest you should vote for Chris Coons because Christine O'Donnell is unpredictable and you don't know what she'll do.

Christine O'Donnell thinks the government has enough of our money and suggests you  vote for her because  we know what Chris Coons will do. Chris Coons will raise our taxes. Predictable, sometimes it's a bad thing.

54 Finally, a place to post this and get it off my chest! Here's an article on Coons by a Delaware Libertarian who has no love for either the Democrat or Republican parties in this state. It's worth reading the whole thing, including the comments, to get an idea of how strong sucking on the government teat has become entrenched here.

55 "C O'D Isn't The Only Flawed Candidate In Delaware"

Maybe, but she's the only one worth mentioning and there's still a chance I can take her down. Don't ruin this for me, Ace.

56 47 why there are whispers of the Dems pulling a Torricelli and dumping Coons for Beau Biden.
Will Beau use his last name in his campaign or go the way of Reid's kid and just go by his first name?
Posted by: Meddle Lark at September 17, 2010 03:39 AM (sJUx4)

I don't think they'll attempt a substitution. First, Coons and O'Donnell participated in a debate involving all candidates for statewide office last night.

Mort importantly, Beau Biden locked himself into staying in the Attorney General's race when he opted out of running for the Senate seat this year. From TPMDC: 

In a major setback for Democratic chances in 2010, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, a son of Vice President Joe Biden, has announced that he will not run in this November's special election for his father's former Senate seat.

In his official statement, Beau Biden cited the importance of his current work on a high-profile child abuse case in Delaware. Sources close to Vice President Biden suggested to TPMDC that Beau did not want to walk away from such a high-profile case.

"However, my first responsibilities are here in Delaware. I have a duty to fulfill as Attorney General -- and the immediate need to focus on a case of great consequence," Beau Biden writes. "And that is what I must do. Therefore I cannot and will not run for the United States Senate in 2010. I will run for reelection as Attorney General."

To remove Coons and replace him with Biden would introduce questions of Biden's character along the lines of Sarah Palin being a "quitter" for having resigned as Governor of Alaska.

Finally, Beau Biden suffered a minor stroke earlier this year, has recovered. He has no Republican opponent running against him for AG; it's pretty much a stress-free campaign for him this year.

57 It looks like this Coons clown is an actual communist and not just another useful idiot.   But, according to the smartest people in the room (i.e. Rove, Kristol, Herr Krauthammer, etc. etc.) Coons can't possibly lose this election. And we listen to these idiots because ...?   Every one of those self anointed chevaliers would sell their daughters in a Moroccan market if they thought it would help them pull off a million dollars and 10 points in 24 hours.  

Never entrust power to anyone not willing to surrender it.

"turkey trots to water where is task force 34 the world wonders"

58 ya2daup: "To remove Coons and replace him with Biden would introduce questions of Biden's character along the lines of Sarah Palin being a 'quitter' for having resigned as Governor of Alaska."

Not a problem. We have a template prepared and ready to apply the proper context to differentiate the two candidates. Coons is obviously reappropriating his unique skills to a higher calling where he can advance the people's best interests. Palin remains the failed quitter who just used her office out of selfishness.

59

ya2daup-

I just found that article earlier this evening as I was doing a google image search for "chris coons". I've been thinking that a guy named Coons is a guy is basically born to lose. When I saw his picture I thought "OMG! he's Mike Castle only twenty years younger!"

If you read Luca Brasi's and my comments upthread, I think its now fairly obvious that this Coons was run by the Dems precisely to lose- he was just a place-sitter. I read the article and comments you linked. He's a typical lying tax and spend lib and as the last commenter there points out- his parents are the multi-millionaire owners of the GoreTex company. Quite a contrast to the nice Catholic girl of modest means who's been dumped on and kicked to the curb. O'Donnell's campaign narrative nearly writes itself.

I think O'Donnell's going to beat Coons and The Outfit and take that seat for us.

Then I want Jim Geraghty's head on a fucking stake.

60 Coons says the increases were necessary because New Castle County, despite its surplus, was saddled with extravagant spending obligations made by his predecessor.

His predecessor was another Democrat, Tom Gordon. Tom Gordon and the county's Chief Administrative Officer Sherry Freebery were investigated and indicted by the Feds for racketeering, wire fraud and mail fraud related to their time in office. Gordon's five-year investigation ended when prosecutors dropped the case in exchange for two guilty pleas on charges he failed to provide accurate tax information to the government for two county employees.

61 60 Wow. Two candidates on opposite sides of the spending/taxing issue. As clear a choice as there could ever be.
I know what the polls say, so far, but when it comes time to vote, are the people of Delaware really in favor of more out of control spending and higher taxes during a period of slow or no growth or are they going to take matters into their own hands?
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at September 17, 2010 05:39 AM (IhHdM)

Some aren't prepared to be weened off the teat of higher taxes; see comments made by taxpayers in New Castle County in the linked article in #57. Having a clear choice offered for consideration may open some eyes, but certainly not all.

62 O'Donnell can win DE. Let's go out on a limb here: O'Donnell will win DE. Coons is a gift from heaven, um, so to speak.

The economy is in the shitter and the good folks of Delaware are going to flock to a self-described Marxist? In an atmosphere where the nation, at a minimum, is seeking a divided government to check the Obama administration? And what if this Coons comes across as a supremely competent campaigner assuming he can even hide his progressive ideology. Would that mean Delaware especially wants the clever, efficient Marxist in office? Who would prefer that over anything? It's like saying, "Sure, the nation sucks, but what we really need now is a Lenin, maybe a Stalin."

Not buying it. Not even from a blue Delaware or a red-faced Rove.

63 29 Ace... I expect daily poling (no pun intended) on the Reid and Coons races.
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 17, 2010 02:44 AM (H4Kxb)

It's not a pun if you ask for polling. ;~)

64 Typical Democrat, the state is full of them.

65 General Palin: send all my goddam Colonels a case of whatever whiskey Lt. O'Donnell drinks!

66 Check It Out: C O'D Isn't The Only Flawed Candidate In Delaware

I know you mean well on this one Ace but do we have to go back to the "flawed candidate meme"? There was a post on the O'Donnell thread yesterday that you needed to read. It said the same thing I had been saying after I looked into all the endless allegations. They were all either gross distortions or outright lies. Here it is:

From Belmont Club comments:

I copied this from another sites comments. I think its very interesting on the spin if this is all true.

O.k. fab back up Â…let me answer your BS assertions (did you copy/paste them from RINO CastleÂ’s slam site?) one at a time. I personally know Christine. One of my good friends helped run her campaign in 08 and I know the truth on EVERY one of those allegations.

1. Re: ISI. She worked for a religious organization and was demoted not because of her job performance but because the supervisors in this ultra religious organization misinterpret their BibleÂ’s and the book of Ephesians where it says that women should submit to men. And she was demoted to have a MAN put in charge of her. The demotion was illegal and she was completely right to call them out on it. She dismissed the lawsuit about 3yrs ago, NOT because it didnÂ’t have merit but she was prepping to run against Biden and didnÂ’t have the time/finances to pursue it. Bottom line was, she was wronged. She had every right to sue them and ISI is lucky that she decided it was not in her best interest to seek a judgment against them.

2. Re: her college career. She DID graduate from Farleigh Dickinson University. She took the courses and walked at graduation. She did not receive the OFFICIAL diploma due to outstanding tuition. It took nearly a decade for her to pay off her college loans and by that time, they made her retake a class to update her degree. (The same thing happened to me. It is very common now a days for colleges to say certain credits have expired, even though technically you got the degree and have worked in the field for years). Unlike others in this country who defaulted on their student loans–she DID pay them herself.

3. As to pursuing a MasterÂ’s at Princeton. You are referring to a quote from her deposition in the original ISI lawsuit. She WAS looking into pursuing her masters degree and the question from the legal council was regarding her current work/education. That was her plans after the demotion, then subsequent firing when she brought forth the lawsuit. She did not, however, go forward with it.

4. Re: her home foreclosure. That is a GROSS lie. She SOLD the house in question to help pay for her 08 campaign. She received a letter with a lien against the house more than a year later when it was owned by someone else. It was verified as a computer error and Christine put the letter on her website weeks ago to counter that misrepresentation. As to the IRS, Christine, her family and at least one of her campaign staffers from her 08 bid were audited by the IRS after she ran against Biden. Let’s talk about the statistical improbability for all of those people to be suddenly audited if it hadn’t been that they were all involved in trying to defeat Biden. The IRS found through the audit that she should have owed more in 2004 (?–might have been 05) and I have heard from MANY people that if the IRS audits you, they will ALWAYS find something/somewhere where you should have paid them more. She paid that judgment and posted the IRS clearance letter on her site.

5. Re: the Tea party paying her rent. Again you are distorting facts. Please take the libtard cotton out of your ears and listen up. Christine is NOT rich. She is a single, every day working woman who sold her house in the last campaign and has used every penny she could muster to fight in Delaware politics. She now lives in a small townhouse and because she couldn’t afford an official campaign headquarters–it was run out of rooms from her house. Because of staffers taking up half her living residence, it was determined she could use part of the tea party money as “rent” to her for space in her home for the headquarters. MANY people across this country use part of their house as a business office. (I work as a cardiac consultant from my home and I write off my home office space on my taxes) It is perfectly legal and was the best use of campaign dollars as opposed to her paying a fortune to rent space (which as the campaign has now grown, she will have to do)

Fab, you do nothing but regurgitate the same libtard/RINO bogus allegations that have already been proven false. Your pursuit of sounding intelligent and superior is one big epic fail

Posted by: yournamehere at September 16, 2010 12:01 PM (H3X4e)

67 As for Coons, yes, it now appears that he does have a record. I am predicting that these polls will tighten up rapidly and this will be another nail-biter of a race.

Unfortunately for O'Donnell she can't just run against Coons, she is going to have run against the Republican Party establishment in DE as well and all the lies that have been pumped out for the past several months.

68

What's the veracity of O'Donnell's claims that politcal operatives were harassing her campaign worker and "hiding in her bushes"?

Dan Riehl links to a report that a staffer for NJ Dem Congressman John Adler, showed up at the house of his Republican opponent ,Jon Runyan, and took pictures of his eight year old daughter.

From a local newspaper's report on the incident:

The 8-year-old went into the house and told her mother that Samson was standing in the driveway, according to Jon Runyan. Loretta Runyan, a former Houston police officer, got into her car and followed Samson for four miles until he stopped at Rep. John Adler's Evesham campaign office.

It turns out that the staffer taking the pictures was a Burlington County Democratic committeeman. Adler's campaign didn't try to deny any knowledge of the staffer's actions and merely released the following statement:

Last Wednesday a volunteer photographer took seven photos of the front of Jon Runyan's house, nothing more...

Is it so far-fetched to think that O'Donnell's claims of harrasment are in fact true?

Here's the newspaper article linked to by Riehl:

http://tinyurl.com/2b295xy

Just what kind of dirty tricks were the Castle campaign up to, and shouldn't they be exposed before Coons attempts to use O'Donnell's seemingly outlandish claims of harassment to portray her as a nutter?

69 Vic: "Unfortunately for O'Donnell she can't just run against Coons, she is going to have run against the Republican Party establishment in DE as well and all the lies that have been pumped out for the past several months."

Running against the establishment will be easy. Seriously. I think the party members will come around quickly but don't expect some of the entrenched leadership to come around at all. That's manageable, and new blood will be more than energized to come in and fill gaps. The Tea Party apparatus has this in spades. In fact I imagine it will be more resourceful even if the structure is a bit looser. They'll have to be anyway.

But, yes, the narrative will be the tougher nut. She has enough time to do it. The trick is balancing her policy message without getting unduly sidetracked by those who will, either accidentally or maliciously, begin all interviews and conversation about her history as it has been defined as opposed to what it really is.

If she can briefly and candidly get past any introductory landmines and move to contrasting her positions compared to Coons' within the brief interview windows - while expanding via social networking mediums those differences (that get abbreviated) - she can make inroads and turn (un)decideds.

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71 CO = horrible
Coonsie = infinitely worse

Sigh. Hold your nose time. Is this the best Delaware can do? Biden? Castle? These clowns?

Sweet sassy molassy.

72 Posted by: sartana at September 17, 2010 07:13 AM (2stAV)

Yes! When I heard that and started looking into it, I found a different newspaper article that had investigated and they too found that people (Dem operatives) were following her around hoping to catch a macaca moment.

But of course her comments were taken out of context (really) and distorted.

She does make a few misstatements every now and then, but every politician does that. The degree to which the press reports it and who attacks for it shows you who is the good guy.

73 Check out today's hit piece on O'Donnell from Politico- it's entitled "Ex aides unload on O'Donnell".

http://tinyurl.com/2afq2u9

The article consists entirely of quotes from former O'Donnell staffers including one Alan Moore who currently works as an editor for Townhall.com. Can somebody ask Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved why their associates are currently undermining the Republican nominee for the Delaware senate seat?

What in God's name is going on here? Some of the same Republicans who said we needed to support the RINO Castle because it was all-important to win the Senate are now attacking our nominee and attempting to kill the chance we have for that same seat!

WTF!

74

Couple of comments on Coons.

(1) Although he is extremely liberal, in the Delaware paper (just a bit to the left of the WaPo) he will not be portrayed that way. They will paint him as a stable and intelligent guy (an antidote to the bumbling and unstable O'Donnell), a capable adminstrator who has run the County well in turbulent economic times, and a moderate Democrat who would run the seat in a manner consistent with our own Joe Biden, who has done well by the State for decades. They will play up his fiscal responsibility.

Would this sell on AoSHQ? Thought not. Will it sell in Democratic leaning northern Delaware? We'll see.

(2) He's actually married to one of the Gore daughters (Gore-Tex). I've dealt with him a little and my quick summary of him is to think of  John Kerry - without the wartime resume or national legislative experience, but "with a few stripes" (thanks for the phrase, Vanity Fair) more ego. 

 

75 Ace, you don't recognize success when you see it because you are standing too close.  Step back a bit and look again.  During the New York 23 debacle you advised everyone who was disgusted with their local party structure to go out there and get involved.  Look how many people took your advice and did just that.  This is what success looks like in the raw, it will crystalize some more by November.

76 Vic: "She does make a few misstatements every now and then, but every politician does that."

Misstatements? From a Delaware politician? God love ya', but the only place you hear misstatements in our fair state is in 7/11 or Dunkin' Donuts. But that's because those Indians talk funny. I'm not joking.

77 sartana: "Some of the same Republicans who said we needed to support the RINO Castle because it was all-important to win the Senate are now attacking our nominee and attempting to kill the chance we have for that same seat!"

They lied.

78 Time to turn off the TV, Geraldo will now talk about O'Donnell.

79

@70 Vic:  Thanks for digging that up.  The more Delaware is put under the microscope, the more slimey the RINO's and the Dems are looking...Sarah Palin was right to endorse Christine O'Donnell and I'm glad she's over $1,300.000.00 on her donations. 

The only thing worse than a commie liberal are supposed 'conservatives' that make deals with them.

80 I need no incentives to turn off the TV for Geraldo. His presence makes a fine energy saver for my media hardware.

81 Time for the morning walk back later

82  Running against the establishment will be easy. Seriously.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel

Read the Politio hit-piece I linked to above. It seems that the smear campaign is only ratcheting up and the attacks from the Right will not cease even now.

It's funny, when I first found that Politco piece, it was entitled:

"Ex aides unload on O'Donnell"

Now that I just clicked back over there, the title has changed to:

"Christine O'Donnell criticized by former aides"

Very smooth they are over at Politico. Very diplomatic.

83 The only thing worse than a commie liberal are supposed 'conservatives' that make deals with them.

There was a name given to people like that in my parent's generation:

QUISLINGS

84  

What's going on here?

Here's an article by the same "Alan Moore" quoted in the Politico piece I linked to above:

http://tinyurl.com/24w4u2k

It's dated 9/13/2010- the day before the DE primary, and its titled:

"Nominating Christine O'Donnell Could Destroy the Tea Party"

Almost too much to believe is the Editor's Note at the top of the piece:

Editorial Note: Alan Moore, 28, has an MA from George Mason University and previously served as press secretary for the Tancredo for President Committee and the Freedom Alliance. He now works for the Heritage Foundation at Townhall.com(my italics)

Why is an associate of the Heritage Foundation offering up red-meat for MFM hit-pieces on the Republican nominee for Senate from Delaware?

WTF?!

85 No guy who worked for Tancredo has any room to complain about longshot candidates.

86 87 $1,328,760.17

Posted by: toby928 at September 17, 2010 08:11 AM (S5YRY)

Who gave her the 17 cents?

_{( I know, I know, THEY ALL DID! :-)}

87

It sounds strange, but I think Castle was the White House's choice all along. I think they had a deal with some high-ups in the RNC- Castle promising different things to both the White House and his Republican backers while agreeing to keep mum about the arrangement. Both parties thinking they got what they wanted out of the deal.

 

Wow, great post and great comments.   And yeah, Obama wanted Castle to win because another RINO would give a varnish of "Bipartisanship" when he crossed the aisle to vote with the Dems.  Like Rush said, even if Castle won the primary and then the general, we would have 51 votes--still short of a filibuster proof majority, and he wouldn't be a reliable conservative vote, so then you have Republicans enabling Harry, Nancy, and Obama policies. 

I hope O'Donnell wins, and if she does, she's not just beating out the Dems, she's also taking on the "Good Old Boy" Republican Machine.  I say bring it, Sistah!

88 sartana,

I should clarify the "running against the establishment will be easy" remark. Some (many?) in the establishment have long knives out for her, but that's where jujitsu comes in. The country is in an anti-establishment mood. She's anti-establishment. In fact, so much so to the establishment, apparently, that she's a target. She's getting fragged by some on her own side.

Now, the larger DE constituency sees this and thinks, "You know, I hate those GOP bastards too, and Coons isn't really where I want to go, either. Maybe I need to see what this O'Donnell foofaraw is all about."

She runs easily as the anti-establishmentarian in an anti-establishment environment; unless DE really is not only statist but, with Coons, Marxist.

89 Well at least he was truthful and up front.

Note the Kenya part in the Bearded Marxism ....

90 Alan Moore, 28, has an MA from George Mason University

Herr Morgenholz, 40, has a shotgun and an erection.  Who the fuck do you think is going to win that battle?  This is a fucking kid without the common sense to not lay in it when he's done shitting.

91 Herr Morgenholz,  we are seeing symptoms from the Republican establishment that mirrors an attitude which has made the left particularly obnoxious for years;  they think they are the ONLY people who know what's going on and perceive themselves as super-geniuses.

For years we have railed about belonging to the Stupid Party.  I have struck this morning by a new understanding.  Our party has been controlled by these Super Geniuses,  but they are of the Wile E. Coyote variety.

I soon expect to see Mike Murphy and Karl Rove on television promoting the Acme Campaign Plan.

Meanwhile,   fast on their feet candidates with the talents of Roadrunner will outsmart them,  and also their democrat opponents this fall.

92 Yesterday Rush said they'd attack O"Donnell on social issues.

This morning I saw this political cartoon in my paper.

Sometimes Rush can really call it.

93  

runningrn

Last night I went thru Ace's vault trying to find his earliest posts on the DE Senate race. In the comments thread for a post by Ace, two weeks ago, entitled "Stay classy, Christine" a commenter "curtis" wrote the following:

Obama has already put out the word that he wants Republicans who support his policies to be elected over Democrats. That is why he put out the word that he won't do amnesty until it's bipartisan. He told his Democrat supporters to go out and elect some rinos.

I wonder if this is just suppostion, but it seems to fit into a bigger puzzle.

I'll repost what "Luca Brasi" posted above:

Sartana...given what I've heard and read about what's going on in DE (I'm in Philly, and work for a place with a large DE presence)...you're not far off the mark. The narrative, as far as I can tell, is that Biden Jr would stick with his job as Delaware's AG. Castle would win the "Biden" seat and retire after his 4 years, whereupon Beau would take over. Coons was supposed to run against Castle, lose quietly, and continue his gravy state job.

If what he's saying has some grounding in fact, then this is huge- much bigger than little old Christine O'Donnell. She's like the Hobbit Frodo in all this. Republican and Democrat together conspiring to fix a Senate race? It's not at all a stretch.

BTW, I'd heartily recomend taking the time to browse thru those earliest DE Senate race threads. The comments from "Vic" were hilarious. While Ace and the other commenters overwhelmingly were exalting Castle and trashing O'Donnell as having no chance to win even the Primary, Vic was going ballistic on Castle from the very beginning.

http://minx.cc/?post=305288

94

That advice would seem to apply for political campaigns too...check out the other guy before throwing in the towel in defeat or airing your dirty laundry.

You think?  Wow, that's some awesome insight.  If only more people had this "Duh" moment.  Coons is a tool.  His website proudly proclaims he is a progressive.  Oh, I just looked at his website again, and that word is gone.  Funny, yesterday that is what it said.  Suddenly he realizes that "progresssive" isn't a winner?  Really, just now?  I wonder why that is.

The guy has a track record.  And Christine O'Donnell has $1.3M with which to tell people about it.  And CFG and TPX will dump another half mil or so on top of that. 

I think the conspiracy theories about Mike Castle and all that are just that.  The Biden family had kept the field cleared for too long, so a 3d stringer for the Dems was all that was left.  And he's the wrong candidate at the wrong time.  Is Delaware really a haven for Marxists?  Read the sign as you drive in to the state - HOME OF TAX FREE SHOPPING.  Sounds like a bunch of Marxists to me. 

Coons is going get pummelled by negative advertising for the next six weeks.  Pummelled.  And he's going to have to try to do the same against a candidate who has been vetted -   I mean, what can he say that has not already been said about her?  Ooh, she didn't get her diploma when she graduated because she owed the school something?  Okay, lwet's compare that to constant tax raising.  And a Democrat county executive?  We can't find something going on there?  Really?  Get the same oppo research team that has been working on O'Donnell on Coons now.  It can't be that hard to find some corruption in the county government - we all know that there is something, some bit of nepotism or union payoff or anything like that - and tie it to Coons, because he's the County Exec.  What's he going to say - I didn't know?  Great, then he's saying he's asleep at the switch. 

On defense, he's got less cash on hand, and the National Dems and their surrogates are going to have to spend their money defending the seat where the President was elected from plus just about every other seat.  With the O'Donnell money bomb they will probably drop their defense there - and if they don't, that just reduces what is available to hold other places. 

This seat has not been lost, not by a long shot. 

 

 

 

 

 

95 Very smooth they are over at Politico. Very diplomatic.

Posted by: sartana at September 17, 2010 08:01 AM (2stAV)

There is an ongoing boycott of Politico by conservative blogs. They are just like the rest of the MFM, a Democrat PR machine. The reason for the boycott is that they printed lies about one of the conservative blogs.

96 I soon expect to see Mike Murphy and Karl Rove on television promoting the Acme Campaign Plan.

They did right after the 2008 election fiasco. They wanted a countrywide "big tent" tour so they could double down on their losses.

And I have never though Rove was the political genius that everybody raved about.

A squeaker of an election against dull version of Bill Clinton II and not much more of a win against a stupid opponent in the middle of a war!

That last election should have been a blowout, but as we know since 2004 the base was more and more turned off and staying at home more and more.

Real fine strategy that, AND the really weapons grade stupid???? They want to continue that strategy.

97 #95 & #96

Yes. Yes! YES!

Exactly correct. We have dem lite, without the grassroots vote stealing apparatus.

98 OT: Tim Cahill in MA Gov race plummets massively, but still stubbornly holding on to 5%. Patrick leads by 3%.

http://tinyurl.com/2vos9bb

Guess you shouldn't have voted as a Dem in the Primary, Timmy.

99 I am sure that  will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off

100 Here is what every critic needs to be told:  she may have failings,  but they were personal,  and did not affect the voter.

Coons,  on the other hand,  with his many tax increases, considerably added to the misery level of every Delaware citizen.

And what kind of jerk wants to tax 911 callers?  That right there should make a very effective campaign ad.

101 Vic: "The reason for the boycott is that they printed lies about one of the conservative blogs."

And then there's that Charter Memberships in the JournoList thing.

102

I am sure that  will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off

Posted by: archie bunker at September 17, 2010 09:01 AM (I+7Zv)

No John -- she's gonna tax giving your mom the rusty trombone, putting you in the poorhouse.

103 I am sure that  will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off

Sin taxes are the domain of your side, denny crane.

104 The comments from "Vic" were hilarious. While Ace and the other commenters overwhelmingly were exalting Castle and trashing O'Donnell as having no chance to win even the Primary, Vic was going ballistic on Castle from the very beginning.

Yeah I had never liked Castle at all but I didn't yet have all the info on either O'Donnel or Coons. After some investigation of O'Donnel I found that all the allegations wee either lies or distortions and I began to smell another "Palinization" in the works. So after that I started asking for some proof anytime someone printed one of the allegations. I never did get any proof.

As for Coons I didn't have the piece about the "Marxism" or the tax increases when the county was supposedly running a surplus.

105 if delaware has gone full blown nuts and elects a marxist over a kook....well then i think we have a bigger problem in this country than we imagined.....i think we should trust delaware voters even if they gave us joe biden........

106 Our party has been controlled by these Super Geniuses,  but they are of the Wile E. Coyote variety.

Beep beep!

107

There is an ongoing boycott of Politico by conservative blogs. They are just like the rest of the MFM, a Democrat PR machine. The reason for the boycott is that they printed lies about one of the conservative blogs.

They are threatening to sue The College Politico. Link to Patterico talking about it.

108

Also, remember, Coons trolls truck stops on I-95 for trucker tail.

That's the rumor.

109 From that Libertarian article linked above; How is Coons' real estate transaction on his 4200 sq. ft. house listed as a $10 fee?  Is that common.  When I look up my house it shows actual purchase price and then the re-titling when I refinance.

110 105 I am sure that  will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off

Posted by: archie bunker at September 17, 2010 09:01 AM (I+7Zv)

I could see where a pud yanking fuckstick like yourself, might be all upset over such a scenario.

111
@97: Posted by: Ed Anger at September 17, 2010 08:47 AM (7+pP9)

Nice.  Is that supposed to be O'Donnell dressed up like a leprechaun?   Not too racist there is it?  Who published this thing the KKK?

112  am sure that  will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off

however, let's be honest. If this were to happen, we would be running a budget surplus in 3 to 4 months

113 Vic,  I read Karl Rove's book.  I was so looking forward to it.

Instead,  it was all a bunch of crap like we have heard aired over the last few days.  And no real insights into Bush or the issues we care about.

When I discovered he was the person who told Bush not to answer the accusations of lying,  I bet lightning bolts were shooting from my eyeballs.  I was thinking this was some of Bush's "turn the other cheek" attitude from his faith, and had struggled for years trying to understand why he allowed his character to be vilified.

For what it's worth, here is my analysis.  Bush isn't a very ego-centric guy.  He often talks about how he is not a good speaker,  etc.   Rove got hired by Bush when he ran for governor.  I think Bush assumed that his win was due to Rove's strategies.  He continued that belief when running for president. 

But what if Bush's wins were DESPITE Rove?  What if the wins were because of Bush'a personality,  plain talk,  and genuine niceness as compared to the obnoxious thug types he ran against?

Karl isn't a Boy Genius,  in that case.  He's just a lucky dork who latched onto a winner. 

So what if Castle was the first big election he offered help on since leaving office?  (And now I think we need to know more about that,  as well.)  Given that scenario,  Karl's numbers and demographics and whiteboard didn't work very well, did they?  He has just seen the rest of his career shot down,  and  with his performance this week,  he has shot down his reputation as well.

114
Um.  That's because Democrats live, breathe, eat, sLeep, fuck and die to RAISE TAXES.

115 Nice.  Is that supposed to be O'Donnell dressed up like a leprechaun?   Not too racist there is it?  Who published this thing the KKK?

Posted by: Nighhawk at September 17, 2010 09:13 AM (OtQXp)

I took that as Dems with the Tea Party portrayed by the Mad Hatter dancing on the grave of the welfare system.

I though it was really a piss poor joke as it did not make any sense. I didn't see anything racial in it, just stupid.

116

(1) Although he is extremely liberal, in the Delaware paper (just a bit to the left of the WaPo) he will not be portrayed that way. They will paint him as a stable and intelligent guy (an antidote to the bumbling and unstable O'Donnell), a capable adminstrator who has run the County well in turbulent economic times, and a moderate Democrat who would run the seat in a manner consistent with our own Joe Biden, who has done well by the State for decades. They will play up his fiscal responsibility.

Would this sell on AoSHQ? Thought not. Will it sell in Democratic leaning northern Delaware? We'll see.

(2) He's actually married to one of the Gore daughters (Gore-Tex). I've dealt with him a little and my quick summary of him is to think of  John Kerry - without the wartime resume or national legislative experience, but "with a few stripes" (thanks for the phrase, Vanity Fair) more ego. 

 

Posted by: RM

 

Agreed. She will receive nothing but abuse from the news journal. I met the late Sen. Roth (R-Del) several times, and he said that he had learned to expect that he would never be fairly treated by that paper. It was at all times hostile to him and other Republicans. This is one reason why this state is the way it is; no local TV stations, one paper, and local politicians that get treated like local celebrities.

To watch the national press (which is still Dem friendly) and the News Journal cover the same stories is a horifying study in bias.

117
All democrats masquerade as tax cutting deficit hawks right around election time.  After they get in?  All gone.  Yet voters seem to like to be fooled again and again.

118

Vic
 
your comments had me in laughing in tears. Ace was trying to herd everyone into the anti-O'Donnell track but you were playing the grinch. It's funny to read thru all that in retrospect.

119 Karl isn't a Boy Genius,  in that case.  He's just a lucky dork who latched onto a winner.

I think most political consultants are like that. One wonders how they got to be so much in demand.

120
From the Alan Moore piece:
"The Chris Coons (D) campaign is licking their collective chops with a smorgasbord of opposition research that hasnÂ’t yet seen the light of day.This is a warning to conservatives if you nominate OÂ’Donnell: The national media will write off not only her but the entire Tea Party movement as a laughing stock which could result in its ultimate demise."

Because the 'national media' has been so fair and honest about the tea party up til now!

121 As long as "pristine Christine" leaves people's inflatable doll funds alone, I'll survive.

122

To watch the national press (which is still Dem friendly) and the News Journal cover the same stories is a horifying study in bias.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2010 09:18 AM (R2fpr)

I think that paradigm has changed now. The MFM jumped the shark in 2008 with the plastic Jesus and even the Democrats now say the press is out to lunch. That means they have zero credibility with the average voter anymore. 

But alas, we still have a few well meaning Morons who continue to think we should walk softly lest we get attacked by the press.

Makes me want to scream.

123

O'Donnell and her handlers should get those cell phones that record video and keep them handy.

124
@121: Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2010 09:18 AM (/jbAw)

Maybe, maybe not.  Racism is a lot like pornography in that regard.  All I know is if a similar cartoon showing, say, a lawn jockey and a donkey holding lamps for an Iranian scientist to read nuclear plans by were published the screams of racism from the MFM would be heard in adjacent galaxies.

125 if delaware has gone full blown nuts and elects a marxist over a kook....well then i think we have a bigger problem in this country than we imagined.....i think we should trust delaware voters even if they gave us joe biden........

Posted by: phoenixgirl

 

I ask that everyone who is berating Ace and others for backing Castle (that includes myself) to remember the reasons that they advanced. Even if O'Donnell had no reported 'issues (founded or unfounded), the fact remains that this state polls more blue than red. Republicans have doen great things in such areas, but almost all of them have been liberal ones, like Scott Brown, or well, Castle.

I would very much like to be proven wrong and see a pro-life conservative be elected from this state. RM summed it up better than I. Many of the conditions on the ground are stacked against her, and any other would be candidate.

126

HOME OF TAX FREE SHOPPING

Would that be because they tax everything else?

127 A US Senate race with bukake humor, this one is tailor made for AOSHQ. Tell HotAir, etc to go cover Ayotte - we got this one.

128 Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2010 09:26 AM (R2fpr)

How many times have we actually given a real conservative a chance in a blue State? Remember RINO McCain was supposed to deliver PA and NY.

Cool that strategy isn't it. It worked so well maybe we should do it some more.

129 Blue Hen - what does the radio market look like, is there a lower slower Delaware channel(s)?

130

Herr M

I'm not sure of your point. Alan Moore works for the Heritage Foundation and Townhall. He's just quoted in an MFM hit-piece trashing a Conservative nominee for the Senate. He should be fired from both positions. And donors to Heritage and readers of Townhall deserve an explanation.

Can you imagine an associate at the Center for American Progress who also blogs at Daily Kos on record as trashing a far Left Democrat candidate for US Senate. That would be inconceivable.

As well, Alan Moore's interview for Politico needs to be seen in light of Rove's and Krauthammer's reactions to the Primary results. There are others as well who have not ceased their sniping. Not to mention the initial reaction from the NRSC. There is a campaign afoot on the Right to destroy this nominee.

131

I'm not trying to portray myself as some kind of political insider...however, as I have stated, I do work at a place that has strong ties to Delaware, and there is a higher-up that I speak to frequently about politics (closed-door, of course, we're in the closet!). While not a politician, he is privy to some of the goings-on above my pay grade.... I trust this guy, but I don't think he'd testify in court about any of this. It does make sense to me, it's certainly not reaching into "truther" territory to suggest that some kind of deal was made, or implied. Delaware (as we've heard a million times) is a very small state, ruled by several old-money families, and loaded with Democrats. The state GOP has a token presence most of the time. It's like any big US city, pretty much, but with a little more land area.

 

132 Copy 'n Paste #70 onto every blog that mentions COD for a week.

133  

From Michelle Malkin:

http://tinyurl.com/286yq4f

After the Primary, Castle received calls from both Obama and Biden. Yet Castle didn't reach out to O'Donnell either to congratulate or pledge support. Castle's staffers continue to trash O'Donnell.

There's something very wrong about all this.

134 After the Primary, Castle received calls from both Obama and Biden. Yet Castle didn't reach out to O'Donnell either to congratulate or pledge support. Castle's staffers continue to trash O'Donnell.

There's something very wrong about all this.

Posted by: sartana

 

At best, he's sore. That was a Helluva way to end a 40+ year career. Taken in context with Murkowski, he's a prince. At worst, Delaware politics may kick back into life. Beau wouldn't run against Castle; first string on first string match ups are rare here. Castle being knocked out changes the picture. Remember how NJ got away with their switch?

There is NO proof that such a thing is in the offing. But I would not rule it out; not here. Besides, what would the GOP here do? Complain to the DOJ?

135

Meanwhile the dreaded masturbation issue rears it's ugly .. .uh, head.

"I agree with you, it's personal. When I go to Washington, D.C. the litmus test by which I cast my vote for every piece of legislation that comes across my desk will be whether or not it is constitutional," she replied.

I was in my twenties and very excited and passionate about my newfound faith. But I can assure you, my faith has matured and when I go to Washington, D.C. it'll be the Constitution on which I base all of my decisions, not my personal beliefs," she explained Thursday to cheers.

Why, what a nutjob! These crazy catholics are going to take us back to the stone age.

Everyone (who's been under a rock for 30 years) knows catholics vote uniformly democrat anyway, I say we send them all back to Italy!

136

#77, #136, yes, we blasted O'Donnell on Town Hall.

And who does that benefit? You know who!

137 Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2010 09:26 AM (R2fpr)

How many times have we actually given a real conservative a chance in a blue State? Remember RINO McCain was supposed to deliver PA and NY.

Cool that strategy isn't it. It worked so well maybe we should do it some more.

Posted by: Vic

 

In truth, not many. Because conventional wisdom and finite resources has reigned. Please remember that this scenario is weird in several ways. I can start throwing out 'ifs' that I can be reasonably sure would utterly change things. But they did NOT occur here. In order for her to win, a different set of 'ifs' needs to occur.

 

Please know that some of us appreciated the constraints that a conventional wisdom/electability approach places upon us, and the opportunities it denies to us. But please also know that we want to be together on this.

138 97 This morning I saw this political cartoon in my paper.
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 17, 2010 08:47 AM (7+pP9)

We won't hear it, of course, but what accomplishments comprise the "40 years of social progress" in the view of this enlightened cartoonist?

139 Blue Hen - what does the radio market look like, is there a lower slower Delaware channel(s)?

Posted by: Jean

 

Not much different than the TV situation. There is one country station out of Dover (Kent county), and I know that there are some out of Salisbury MD, which is just over the southern border. I suspect that this is one reason why Republicans do better in the two lower counties.

140 Coons is a Chronic Masturbater, he masturbates all the time.

141
What, Ace? you just get the memo on the Bearded Marxist? I'll allow that I didn't know about the tax increases, but then again, wouldn't that be par for the man who calls himself a Bearded Marxist?

142

We won't hear it, of course, but what accomplishments comprise the "40 years of social progress" in the view of this enlightened cartoonist?

Posted by: ya2daup at September 17, 2010 09:53 AM (yRrAd)

Forty years ago we didn't need day care centers in high schools.

143

Luca Brasi

I'd get in contact with Dan Riehl at Riehl World View. He's been the internet's staunchest defender of O'Donnell throughout this whole fiasco. He's also been adamant that what happened to her was a coordinated hit put out by high-ups in the Republica Party. In an interview with radio-host Tammy Bruce he vowed not to forget and to get to the bottom of it:

http://tinyurl.com/25qheux

He has a direct line to Mark Levin, and I think both would be interested in what you have to say. Not only is it not "truther" territory to have these suspicions, but the scenario you paint is the only way that things make sense. Not only the post-Primary reactions from Rove and others, but also the fact that Castle was running so far ahead of Coons for so long, yet there was no reaction from the White House and no attempt to right the boat and push Coons ahead or dump him for someone else.

144 Coons is a Chronic Masturbater, he masturbates all the time.

Posted by: robtr

 

That would explain why the hair is on his knuckles and not his head.

145 There is a campaign afoot on the Right to destroy this nominee.

Maybe that's why I'm so annoyed.  The GOP brand has pretty much fractured with the various 'GOP All Stars' (Rove, Krauthammer etc) acting like little boys who got ditched at the prom.  The bitter meanness, the 'We're the better-er-er smarter-er-er ones!  Pick us!' rants are pushing more people away.  All these old Gods with clay feet who are letting their real faces show (ya know, the ones of "we're here to rule you little people because you can't govern yourselves" or "It's not about beliefs, its all about the R).

On the boards?  "It's liberal versus conservative" over and over.  People (me now too) really HATE the GOP.   What I see now is an algebraic formula of  Liberal vs (Conservative vs GOP)  

I'm supporting O'Donnell mostly out of respect for the Delaware voters, but also out of respect for the founding fathers who pretty much had this vision of the average person going to DC versus the career politician.  I'm also doing it because I really, REALLY hate to see someone get ganged up on by those who should be their supporters and defenders.    Plus, it seems some guys are jacking off at the pleasure of beating up on a 'prudish little girl' with their party's blessing.

It's has so many dark, ugly, twisted little facets, shrinks all over America will have a field day sorting it all out. 

Azzhats.

146

"...I began to smell another "Palinization" in the works. "

As a matter of fact there is full page article today in the Wilmington News Journal with photos of her and Palin and Tina Fey, which likens her to trying to channel her inner Palin, and talks about how the comics like Jon Stewart are going to have a blast for the next couple of months.

147 135 Blue Hen - what does the radio market look like, is there a lower slower Delaware channel(s)?
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2010 09:32 AM (LpqRt)

Conservative talk radio stations that cover New Castle County are WDEL (AM 1450) and WPHT (AM 1210). The latter is based in Philadelphia and its signal is strong enough to be heard clearly in the lower two counties; I often drive from New Castle down to Sussex and back every weekend and I listen to WPHT for pretty much the whole trip. Glen Urquhart, the conservative Republican who won the nomination to run for Castle's soon-to-be-vacated House seat, ran ads on one or both of these stations.
There's WGMD (FM 92.7) based, I think, in Sussex that does talk radio. WCBM (AM 680) out of Baltimore can be heard in Sussex and possibly Kent as well.
There are undoubtedly others; I hope her campaign is thinking about how to make good use of them.

148 Not only is it not "truther" territory to have these suspicions, but the scenario you paint is the only way that things make sense. Not only the post-Primary reactions from Rove and others, but also the fact that Castle was running so far ahead of Coons for so long, yet there was no reaction from the White House and no attempt to right the boat and push Coons ahead or dump him for someone else.

There are those who believe that the R's and D's have blended into one big lovey dovey, let's help each other out, country club in DC.  Simplistic view, I know, but it's hard to NOT believe it after the last view years.  Laws being passed that the majority of constituents didn't want, R or D.  People being ignored, hung up on, out right insulted when they contacted their Representative (R or D).  The total disconnect between the average voter and DC to the point you felt like you were being ruled by aliens from another planet...ON another planet.

I once joked maybe there was something in the water in DC that totally corrupted even the most principled when they went to work there.    But when you see over and over and over the totally disregard for the wishes of the people, the in your face arrogance when questioned, the blurring of party lines, to where NO principles at all are evident, just a homogeneous Good Old Boy Club where they tax us to death while they live the good life.

Something is amiss and maybe it's not an Oliver Stone level of conspiracy, but it sure as hell isn't about good men doing the will of those who put them into office.

149

"...I began to smell another "Palinization" in the works. "

As a matter of fact there is full page article today in the Wilmington News Journal with photos of her and Palin and Tina Fey, which likens her to trying to channel her inner Palin, and talks about how the comics like Jon Stewart are going to have a blast for the next couple of months.

Yep, media gang rape.  Once sport, now illegal in civilized cultures, but in politics, totally cool.    Like I said, there is some dark, twisted chit going on and it's jack off material for some phucks.

150  Blue Hen

I appreciate your insight as live there and have been following this, but there's too many loose ends here.

What would the fact that Castle is sore have anything to do with him receiving calls from both Obama and Biden- especially give the fact that he's yet to declare support for O'Donnell. Did the White House contact him to pull a Scozzafava? Remember- the exact same thing happened with her after visits from high level Democrats.

Why the seeming lack of focus or even interest on the part of the White House and the media in this race until now. Given their close, and possibly criminal, involvement in Obama's Senate seat, we're supposed to believe they would take such a laissez-faire attitude about Biden's when their supposed pick was trailing Castle so far and for so long? Obviously they were quite comfortable with Castle in there.

What explains Rove's actions? Rove doesn't throw hissy fits and little tantrums. He's a master at communication. When he makes a public statement there is a well thought out reason for it. What could possibly explain his attempt to throw the seat to the Democrats? Yeah, yesterday Rove backed off and announced support and money for O'Donnell, but he's already left a mark. There's no way that the actions of Rove and others could be chalked up to "bitterness". Something else is obviously at play.

There's too many things that don't add up without in some larger and more nefarious context.

151 Even if you don't like O'Donnell, you should like O'Donnell.  She is the fiddle the progressives will play while their house burns down around them.

They are happy she won, which makes me happy.  I want progressives to be happy and smug. 

Think of all the shit other insurgent conservatives will not be catching, thanks to Christine O'Donnell.  And on top of that, she might just win.

152 If Christine is serious about going door-to-door to engage with voters, I'd give serious thought to hitting areas high in Democrat and Independent voters over those with Republican voters (maybe 2:1) in order to not only get her message established before the other side begins their media campaign in earnest, but also to move aggressively against Coons' purported strongholds. As election day nears, I'd shift the ratio for visitations to favor Republican + Independent areas in order to make sure the base gets face time and is energized to turn out. Sort of like how the balance between the two components of a conventional mortgage payment - principal and interest - move from being primarily interest at the outset and then become mostly principal near the end of the mortgage's term.

153 Hopefully, the media in DE (and nationally) will overplay their hands, and people here will go "Wait a second, she may not be the second coming of Margaret Thatcher, but let's at least try to look for one quick nanosecond beyond the caricatures and see what the lady has to say and whether it makes sense." 

154  

Here is O'Donnell's victory speech:

http://tinyurl.com/2wa7gjo

At the thirteen minute mark, a decorted veteran takes the stage and tells of how, last winter, Karl Rove met with him and other TeaParty people in Delaware and tried to lure them away from O'Donnell and into Castle's camp.

If Rove even back then, was willing to go to such machinations to win this seat, what possible motivation could he have now for trying to lose it?

155

As a matter of fact there is full page article today in the Wilmington News Journal with photos of her and Palin and Tina Fey, which likens her to trying to channel her inner Palin, and talks about how the comics like Jon Stewart are going to have a blast for the next couple of months.

Posted by: RM at September 17, 2010 10:13 AM (GkYyh)

Yes, and a few months down the road there will be people on here who say "Like it or not, her reputation has been permanently damaged by all the lies from the MFM so she hasn't got a chance". Never mind that most of them participated in spreading the lies and aided the MFM.

156 Mmmm...50% tax hikes.

157 There's too many things that don't add up without in some larger and more nefarious context.

Posted by: sartana

 

Please apply Occam's razor to all such thinking. Do I believe that the state GOP doesn't like real primaries, and likes their first string to remain unchallenged? Yup, and I've said so.  Do I believe that this collusion extends between parties (that neither party will confront the others top guys head on)? Yes, and I've cited examples.Was Castle more 'electable' in the general, which is what the party and the pundits focus on? Yup.

Do I go to the extent that this means that Castle was going to switch parties? There's no proof. Was it likely that in 2014, when this seat opens again, Castle decides to retire and Beau Biden waltzes in against token opposition? Dunno. Given the office swapping that's happened here before, it wouldn't surprise me. In that case (and that only) the powers that be may be unhappy that this deal for the future was just busted.

 

But to be a Republican in Delaware means living with such weirdness, which has not and probably cannot be proven.

158

#151 EZB -

It's nothing new - again the same kind of thing happened with Regan. Both sides have their "chess players" who like to pretend they know all the moves on the little square board and that the board itself is real life. But sometimes the board gets kicked over - Obama kicked over the Democrat timeservers' board like Hillary last time out and changed all the rules. Now the country is kicking over the board again for the other side.

Kraut, Rove - they have a good gig going now. They don't like the prospect of having to learn a new set of rules. I understand it, but I don't have to let them get away with it.

159  

EZB

I think it's better to be paranoid and proven wrong, rather than  unsuspecting played for a fool.

If it seems far-fetched to think they'd both conspire over a measly Senate vacancy, wait to they join up again to fuck us with Amnesty. If some kind of deal was made over this and they get away with it, then it won't be the last time that they try it.

There's something about this Delaware Senate race that stinks and needs to be found out.

160 He's only a commie because it's never really been tried, you know...

161

If you look at the situation, the DE GOP was pulling NY-23 level fuck-up nonsense.

They totally forgot about the whole 'voting' part. They tried to appoint Castle.

They even coaxed him to leave his 'safe' house seat to run for the 'sure thing' senate run, when no one wanted him. He could have kept his house seat most likely though.

162 "105 I am sure that will make a BIG difference and allow "pristine Christine" to win, unless she comes out with a plan for new "sin" taxes like on wacking off" If she offers to subsidize it I'll vote for her twice.

163 ".. full page article today in the Wilmington News Journal with photos of her and Palin and Tina Fey, which likens her to trying to channel her inner Palin, and talks about how the comics like Jon Stewart are going to have a blast"

But Reid referring to Coons as his pet won't even garner a snicker? Coons is Reid's" bitch" ain't funny?

164

#166 - I doubt the conspiracy, but I bet it went down like this.

Delaware  DEM Leader #1  -  Heck Biden made it, now we have an open seat here. Who do we run?

Del Dem 2: Well it was going to be Beau after his dad. But he's having fun where he is, and just had that heart attack. We don't really have anyone else of 'our guys' ready.

Del Dem 1: The Republicans will put up Castle. Its his turn, after all.

Del Dem 2:  Well that's not going to hurt us much in the Senate. He'll vote our way most of the time and be invisible the rest. And our guy can take him out the next time around easy enough. Lets put up some sacrificial lamb and save money.

Del Dem 1: Yeah getting a 'win' every now and then keeps the Del Republicans docile.

165

If you look at the situation, the DE GOP was pulling NY-23 level fuck-up nonsense.

They totally forgot about the whole 'voting' part. They tried to appoint Castle.

They even coaxed him to leave his 'safe' house seat to run for the 'sure thing' senate run, when no one wanted him. He could have kept his house seat most likely though.

Posted by: Entro

 

This. If he elected to stay in the House, he would have been a lock. he could have locked this, but we're hashed that over already

166  Please apply Occam's razor to all such thinking.

Posted by Blue Hen

Your post is depressing. You seem to be resigned to some ugly situation. I don't think I'll be vacationing in DE anytime soon- I could probably only tolerate it if I was masturbating the whole time I was there.  How is it that CO'D seems to keep her cheer?

Anyway, about Occam's Razor- isn't the simplest answer to all of this that there is indeed some massive corruption and dirty dealing at play? What does Occam's Razor say about how an undocumented anti-American White-hating Indonesian fuckwit gets to become ruler of the most powerful nation in recorded history?

I would think that mere interparty insider horse-trading over a vacant Senate seat would seem small potatoes in comparison.

What does Occam's Razor say about why Karl Rove is trying to throw that seat to the Democrats?

What happens to Chris Coons when Occam's Razor meets his Marxist Beard?

167

#174 Not at all.  Obama won last time out for similar reasons - Democrat voters didn't like the inevitable Hillary being foisted on them by the party 'leaders'. Since those leaders made the mistake of front loading the primaries to help the coronation, the revolt spread too fast to contain. Add in Bush fatigue, and a poor candidate on the other side and you get an upset in the general.

Rove's tantrum is simple enough to explain. He wants to matter, to be seen as a player. But the voters aren't playing anymore. He lost his temper over it.

168

Del Dem 2:  Well that's not going to hurt us much in the Senate. He'll vote our way most of the time and be invisible the rest. And our guy can take him out the next time around easy enough. Lets put up some sacrificial lamb and save money.

It's possible they have considered this was not their year, and with Castle in, this is not the end of the world, and 'their year' to knock it out of the park is not far off either.

Castle is 71.

The next time this seat is open he'll be 75 (if he's alive - quite possible, and he may run again). Same candidate, more favorable year (probably) to challenge him.

If he does run again, the next time the seat is up he'll be 81. Now he's even money going to be dead and the race may come sooner. If he isn't, there's lots of reasons he may not run again.

There's a possibility he could hold the seat till he's 127, but really at his current age the probability of his death increases substantially by the day.

169 #176 If Beau is the 'heir' to that seat, I'm sure that they figure his 'star' power would beat Castle whenever they needed the seat. Even Castle's supporters in the O'Donnell fracas couldn't cite a single reason to get him into the Senate other than 'he's electable'. No "he's great on issue X" or "political infighter". Just that he's Prince Castle and the king just died.

170  Oldcat
 
I get you're scenario and I find it shocking. And if this is actually close to what happened then the O'Donnell campaign should make light of if and campaign on it. Remember how people were shocked to see the ways of Chicago politics via the Blagojevich trial. How could knowledge of changed the results of the '08 election?
O'Donnell should run her campaign against such corruption.

But one thing your explanation doesn't explain, is why Establishment Republicans are now throwing this seat back the Dems?

If I'm not mistaken, what we've seen in the last couple weeks, and now especially with Rove on Primary night, is unprecedented in American politcal history.

High level political operatives of one political party openly and brazenly attempting to throw a Senate seat, which could be the deciding factor in who controls the next Congress, to the other party. Especially after having fought so hard to keep it for their own chosen surrogate.

Nothing explains that.

171

#179 sartana

If O'Donnell wins, her people will start getting jobs in the party apparatus that are now held by Castle/Old line Republicans. Those who hold the jobs now are frightened. Or, if the Delaware Republicans actually fight hard for every seat, they would have to work harder. It can get comfy pulling down a decent salary in exchange for no work at all. Look at academia. Having to work again makes you grumpy.

And its not unprecidented - in party fighting in New York and Ohio among the Democrats often led to Senate seats being left vacant, or go to the other party back when the legislature selected Senators directly.

History is full of all kinds of interesting events. It makes you laugh at pundits that think they have everything calculated to the last detail.

172 If Beau is the 'heir' to that seat, I'm sure that they figure his 'star' power would beat Castle whenever they needed the seat. Even Castle's supporters in the O'Donnell fracas couldn't cite a single reason to get him into the Senate other than 'he's electable'. No "he's great on issue X" or "political infighter". Just that he's Prince Castle and the king just died.

Posted by: Oldcat

 

I think that they feared him , and that this was a major reason he didn't run against Castle. That fear is obviously gone now.

173

Oldcat- I guess how one interprets all this is dependent upon how one judges the actions of Rove and others named.

 Whether you see it as an impotent, aggravated lashing-out, or some conniving ploy. Krauthammer's a curmudgeon, and I wouldn't put sour grapes beyond him. But Rove is someone who I don't see as acting to spite himself.

He had to know before he dumped on her, that if O'Donnell loses this race then his career is finished and his reputation destroyed. He'd be forever cursed as the one who lost that seat. It's hard to ascribe his actions to anything other than some grand Manichaean scheme.

I'll never forget Hannity's reaction to Rove's diatribe that night. It was like watching Beaver Cleaver look straight into the eyes of Lucifer.

Either way, I think we're still looking at a complete rising up and throwing off of the old guard- a whole system upended. A violent tectonic shift in the body politic.

If it remains bloodless and carries through, it's nothing short of a miracle.

174 Go Christine, go!

175
BlueHen, Oldcat

It's strange that you talk of this depressing No Exit type of politcal situation based on cronyism and back room deals and nobody likes it but everybody accepts that this is the way it's been and will be. Yet so many people focus on the failings and supposed "shadiness" of this simple and childlike young woman, O'Donnell, and how the system must be protected from her.

It's like the curtains have been drawn back and the light is shining on all the ratfuckers for the first time, and they all try to shift the attention to the outsider.

Maybe that explains the viciousness of the assault on her that shocked so many in this past couple weeks. It was all a deflection.

176

#181 Rove, Kraut, politicians, the elites - they are all just men and women, not angels nor demons. Rove is no more immune to saying more than he should than anyone else.

The problem with attributing the move to some master plan, is that you now have to assume that it will work, rather than the apparent blowing up in Rove's face that seems to have happened. So you need to think up some deep, deep scheme that makes this a good move rather than a blunder.

I'm too lazy to do all that, so I'll go with Rove being a jerk. Fits the facts, and no need to think any more about it.

177

sartana - the violent tectonic shifts are what elections are FOR. It used to be normal and before the civil service era every government worker lost his job when the other party came into power. It was the spoils system - to the victor belong the spoils.

This get along, go along, 51-49 crap is what is abnormal and unprecidented. Because thats what breeds the career politician. I'd rather fight a liberal activist in the open than the grey mush of a 'nothing must change' candidate on both sides. At least then the actual issues get aired out, and we can see if we are winning or losing.

178 I'll go with Rove being a jerk.

I prefer the term "ratfucker", but I take your point.

Maybe it's not such a complicated scenario.
I think that both the White House and the Rinos were comfortable with Castle taking that seat, and O'Donnell and the TeaParty and those pesky voters came in and spoiled it all throwing them both in a tizzy.

I appreciate your and BlueHen's posts. I don't think anyone who reads this thread could argue that O'Donnell's primary win wasn't for the better. I've definitely learned things since following this Delaware imbroglio for the these last days, and feel more the precarious position we're in- and most definitely a greater understanding and appreciation for the rise of the TeaParty and all that represents. I feel even more now that a cover has been removed and some light will shine where it hasn't for so long.

179  
Oldcat- I've come to think that what we're seeing now is bigger than what I or a lot of people could have imagined- an actual revolution of the type progressoverpeace would talk about on these threads. Something on the scale of the French Revolution, only bloodless and within the law. Now I think I have come a certain way in appreciating the genius of the Founders in creating such as system where real change like this can occur- actual violent destructive change harnessed by the designs of man.

180 BlueHen, Oldcat

It's strange that you talk of this depressing No Exit type of politcal situation based on cronyism and back room deals and nobody likes it but everybody accepts that this is the way it's been and will be. Yet so many people focus on the failings and supposed "shadiness" of this simple and childlike young woman, O'Donnell, and how the system must be protected from her.

It's like the curtains have been drawn back and the light is shining on all the ratfuckers for the first time, and they all try to shift the attention to the outsider.

Maybe that explains the viciousness of the assault on her that shocked so many in this past couple weeks. It was all a deflection.

Posted by: sartana

 

Again, it's the simplest explanation. Could there be something more sinister? Yes, but it isn't likely, if only because that requires more moving parts and a higher intelligence to create it, keep it moving and keep it hidden.

You and others were right that several different people, or groups of people, all desired or predicted a certain result. I will note that I concurred with them. If nothing else, most people aren't happy being proven wrong, particularly when money and prestige is at stake.

181
You and others were right that several different people, or groups of people, all desired or predicted a certain result.

Blue Hen

What is sinister, is not that a certain result was desired or predicted, but that a surreptitious and coordinated campaign was launched to achieve that result. I'm reffering to RinoList. Too many bloggers and pundits came out at the same time, just days before the primary, with the same talking points for it merely to have been happenstance. Especially the attempt to make O'Donnell appear "unstable", which reeks of Soviet-type of personal destruction. Whatever grander schemes being bandied about this thread involving that Senate race is another matter completely.

Certain bloggers, pundits and possibly radio hosts were induced to toe the line on O'Donnell- whether with payments in cash, promises of future access or pressure exerted in the name of party loyalty.

Ace sketched out very plainly in his post "Blogola", how this could be done:

http://tinyurl.com/25qywaz


Here's a post just now up at Riehl World View about just how an event in O'Donnell's past was distorted presented in such a way as to reflect negatively on her mental stability:

http://tinyurl.com/2a6wokx

Riehl discusses the harassing of congressional candidate from NJ John Runyan's daughter by staffer from his Democrat opponent, and contrasts that with how O'Donnell's claims of harassment were used against her. Runyon is complaining about exactly the same kind of harassment the O'Donnell is, so apparently this type of behaviour has a precedent. No one is going to attack Runyon over these claims, yet why has O'Donnell been mercilessly mocked and her claims been dismissed without being investigated?

This is just a small glimpse into how the campaign against her has been carried out.

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