1 Academics are elite.  You are just a moron for not getting with the program.

2 And first.  When the data and the climate criers actions show global warming, then I will start to be convinced.

3 So...

...if I kill a guy, the charge of murder would be preposterous simply because I have successfully left so many people alive.

I see what they did there.

4

I think I'm even more cynical than most of you

Unpossible

5 Proposing Research and acquiring funding are much more important than actual... you know.... Science....

6

We say he's telling the truth, because he says what we feel is right, so therefore he's telling the truth. 

And besides, lots of people who have lots of money to give us also think he's telling the truth.  If people with money (George Soros, Warren Buffet, etc) think he's telling the truth, then who are you to disagree, peons!  Be gone!!

7 Poopie says that peepsie poo is on track to be the poopies poople ever, but they are the same poo poos that pee peed us with the poopise pee

8 Now you see why we give so many awards to each other.

9 I've said it before and I'll say it again - if I was on the Masters' Thesis committee of someone who was trying to run this Global Warming jive up the flag pole I'd laugh him out of his thesis defense and tell him to go back to the drawing board and start over.

Put bluntly, the entire "theory" is a fucking joke.

Period.

Full stop.

10 I so hope the Nittany Lions go 0-12 this coming season

11 So blow me, I'm a doctor.

12 No one disagrees with me on my blog therefore I'm always right.

Why are you wingnuts having trouble with this?

Oh because you're all racist, creationist assholes.

13 Ace,

It's more correct to say that the theories behind GW can't be proven false instead of " it never makes a prediction that can be verified".  The most important scientific method is that all theories can be proven false with new data.

14 I'm a doctor, not a numbers guy.

15 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHH

16 Oddly enough, the first thing that came into my head was the Frank Burns line in MASH.  "There is no gambling allowed on this base, therefore the money could not have been lost in a poker game, but was stolen."

17


This, not ironically, is what the old "jury of peers" used to be.

Get 6 guys to say you didn't murder the person they saw you standing over with a bloody knife, dripping hand, and torn clothes.

JUSTICE!

18 So, in other words, we know the theory is true because people who believe in the theory agree with other people who believe in the theory that the theory is true.

And that most unscientific exercise applies to all false dogmas, as obvious in liberally Marxist politics as anywhere in academia or philosophy.

19 I so hope the Nittany Lions go 0-12 this coming season

Hey, now...calm down.  Don't blame the Joe Pa and the Nits for these dishonest Bozos

20 I haven't been this shocked, SHOCKED since I *discovered* gambling going on at Rick's Café Américain.

21

In todays world I think Herr Hitler would be successful and judged to be outstanding by his peers.

Seriously, science is on life support. I recently received my last issue of Smithsonian, the 40th Anniversary Edition and it is nothing but leftist green bullshit with dire warnings about the end of the planet unless we act now!

Yes it's been going that way for a while but the earth sciences have been completely corrupted and it's PISSING ME OFF!

Damn. I need a beer.

22 Meanwhile, Sen.McCain and Sarah Palin have yet to respond to Lord Monkton's open letter to McCain during his potus campaign explicating the false premises and practices in this warming hoax.

23 Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our climate data - we did.

24 the highest standards of his profession for proposing research...

That's like being a nominee for Teacher of the Year.  I didn't even know that "proposing research" was an official category.  LOL.

25 Capt. Louis Renault

Reid hasn't the class to even mimic your shock that illegal aliens work in Nevada.

26 I knew academia was a clique, but I thought if their credibility was seriously threatened they would throw anything under the bus. I was wrong. They are going all in on this one, it's believe us, the academic elite, because we are the academic elite. They are fully ready to supplant their old master the Catholic Church. Their words are truth to fact, no longer because of justifiable reason and rigorous scientific method, but for faith in the academic elite themselves in what can only be described as Papal Infallibility. 

We believe in one Holy Academic and Doctoral Church.
We acknowledge one degree for the for the bequeathing of knowledge.
We look to the rising oceans, and the death of the world to come Amen.

27 Father, mother, wife, son, daughter, sister, cousin and me. All PSU grads. I just finished an email to Dr Spanier indicating my displeasure with his investigation. Not the conclusion, but the candy ass investigation. Who the fuck do they think is being fooled? We may be from Pennsylvania, but God Damn1!!!1!11 There will be blood in State College. I'm not the only alum disgusted with this shit.

28 You're not more cynical than me, Ace. No way.

29 Research and Funding are critical to important people such as myself!

Without a pipeline of funds coming to my department, I would be forced to work in an IHOP instead of just shouting in one.

30 This is how science has become perverted, and this is the thinking now rampant in science introduced and defended vitriolically by the Darwinists.  The argument is something like this: 

We know Evolution is true, not because of scientific evidence which is on its FACE against the theory of evolution, but because we as "very smart scientists," cannot imagine, nor indeed, accept any other way species have come about, even though life appears to be designed, we cannot admit a designer, therefor evolution MUST be true.  

See how this has bled into hard sciences now, or like climatology, stuff that cannot be absolutely measured as the processes are too complex for our technology to model, but hey, I have an agenda, and what better way to put in into a white lab coat and pedal it to the consumers.

31 the highest standards of his profession for proposing research...

Mr. Mann, you know how to propose the research...you just don't know how to conduct the research.  Anybody can just propose it...

32 But you can't hold a whole climate research unit responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole university system? And if the whole university system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

33

I call this the Age of Decree.

Our rulers simply decree shit and by definition it is so.

For instance, the economy is in recovery. Obama has created 10 million jobs. There is no such thing as islamic terrorism. And the new green economy will create jobs and prosperity for all.

34 These guys are going to make Madoff look like a piker once this carbon trading kicks in.

35 You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it!

36 The "intelligentsia" no longer even offer a cover for their arrogance and ignorance.

37 And this further proves that Trig is not Sarah's child. Waiting for my apology.

38

Reid hasn't the class to even mimic your shock that illegal aliens work in Nevada.

That's because the common rattlesnake has more class than The Dingy One.

39 Well , I'm glad this is resolved . Cap and trade , in my opinion , was always about funding every idiotic , socialist program ever conceived through the punitive taxation of carbon dioxide ... a colourless , odourless , gas necessary to all life on Earth ... what could possibly go wrong .

40 Otter, actually we blame the entire British culture.

41 Easy Jehu. Take a deep breath.

42 Science as tautology.  Like once EVERY scientist believed in the steady state theory of the universe.  Why?  Because if the universe always was, then no need for a starting point, which may just point to a creation event, which may just point to a creator, which may just indicate said creator had plans, which indicates you should become aware of those plans which may not include you O, professor seducing and screwing coeds.

43

Wasn't Miami Vice a Michael Mann fictional series also?

44 peepsie pooh! Poo poo!

45 The comment thread at that link is disturbing.  The first thing I read is:

"This is misleading and out of touch with reality. The proof that the planet is warming to dangerous levels because of the amount of greenhouse gases that humans are pumping into the atmosphere is overwhelming.

"Climate-gate" and other so-called investigations have been pushed forward by the denialosphere: a hodge-podge of industry front groups, fake scientists, conservative activists, deniers, and cranky, contrarian journalists who've decided to set reason aside and go on constant attack mode despite the facts."


And then another commenter goes on to blame the stupid American media for perpetuating the idea that global warming is not occuring.  Seriously.

When I read comments like this I begin to wonder if maybe those crazy countries that liked to occasionally commit massive acts of ethnic cleansing might have been on to something after all. 

46 As an actual scientist, this sickens me.............

47

hey Jehu,

Evolution is not the antithesis of creation.

Evolution happened, get over it.

The world is more  than 8,000 years old.

That, or you have to deny the accuracy of atomic clocks, the measurable speed pf light, the existence of matter, and all sorts of convenient things.

nothing in evolution excludes a Creator from setting up the rules to result in sentient species evolving.

I say this as a fairly devout Christian

48 In other words, not only was this a whitewash, but it is a really lame whitewash that wouldn't stand up to scrutiny of a kangaroo court in Austrailia.

When they announced this "investigation" I fully expected this kind of result. But not to fear, you would get and even more stupid whitewash if it was done by Pigsnout Waxman and his committee. 

49

There are no tanks in Bagh..., oops, wrong script.

There is nothing wrong with our data.  There is no (brrrrr) evidence that Glob-b-b-b-b-b-bal Warm-m-m-m-ming is-s-s-s-s-s-s n-n-n-n-not...will someone please turn on the heater?

50
From now on we should call everyone involved in Big Media a minister of propaganda, or MOP^tm.

51 That wasn't Otter in Animal House. Otter was the pedophile

No, Pinto was the pedophile who defiled the Mayor's daughter.  Otter was the man-whore who bedded Mrs. Wormer.

52 That wasn't Otter in Animal House. Otter was the pedophile

Posted by: denny crane at July 14, 2010 07:21 PM (I+7Zv)

Pinto was with the little girl, numbnuts.

53 ace- The most shocking thing about that piece wasn't what it said, it's who said it. Climate Change is so 2009.

54

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 14, 2010 07:18 PM (NuAIL)

Presactly! That's why CO₂ is the perfect Satan. The average person can't see it or it in their hand but by God if the scientific community forms a consensus pronouncing it to be the Gaia Killa and that we're the ones blowing it into the atmosphere, well you better repent by paying taxes, sinners!

55

I'm frankly a little surprised that none of you came to me, given my status as a part-time climate scientist, at least to glean some insight into the complex thought processes and reasoned analyses used by us climate scientists to arrive at a conclusion such as this...

I got nuttin'.

Other than the drugs...

nuttin'.

56 Given the current state of academia and it's denial of facts and truths in the name of what is politically correct, I'm guessing that the concept of a flat earth will rise from its ashes a generation from now. 

57 Mine's bigger.

58 Pinto was with the little girl, numbnuts. Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 14, 2010 07:24 PM (Qp4DT) Well to be technically accurate Pinot nailed the little girl on the Fifty Yard line

59 Mr. Mann, you know how to propose the research...you just don't know how to conduct the research.  Anybody can just propose it...

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 14, 2010 07:15 PM (y4B2y)

One of my favorite Seinfeld scenes.

60 Seriously, we need to study assumptions and worldviews. For instance America, and to some degree Europe is in a Lab experiment to prove once and for all if human societies can survive as free-lunch welfare/Marxists states.  Looks like an F in worldwide lab class.  So someone or something seems to be putting all the world level systems and assumptions of man to the test...hey does this work or not?  Like a fire inspector testing a building for fireproofing by soaking with gasoline and lighting a match.  Day of bullshit is over. Now only literature where I have read such a test takes place is the Bible.

The upside is once lies are exposed you can clearly see the truth and base your lives and societies on that truth.

61 One of my favorite Seinfeld scenes.

Thank you, Tami.  I was hoping someone would catch it.

62 When the data and the climate criers actions show global warming, then I will start to be convinced.
Posted by: MAJ O

Um, they're going to have to do a fuck-load more than that to get me anywhere near their position.

They have to demonstrate that the warming is caused by human activity that releases CO2. They have to show with a high degree of certainty that these emissions directly affect the climate, and that the rise in CO2 over the last 60 - 70 years is because of that activity.

Warming is only 1/3 of their hypothesis. They tell me it's hot outside, it's our fault, and they deserve endless grant money in order to tell us to lie down and die? Hell no.

63 Dear Wingnuts:

I understand that you're upset that we have exonerated Mr. Mann but you have to understand, any man whose balls taste like Skittles, which Mr. Mann's I can assure you do, cannot possibly be guilty of the charges leveled against him.  Not following me?  Try to keep up; Skittles are not found in nature they are manufactured by people using...wait for it....science.  Mr. Mann's balls taste like Skittles which are made by science therefore Mr. Mann's very balls taste like science thus proving once and for all that Mr. Mann is not guilty.  On a related point Mr. Mann's ass tastes like Reese's filling.

You may return to humping your cousins or whatever it is you losers due in your free time. 

64
As soon as Cap & Trade is passed the media will pull the same shit they did after the health care scam was passed. They'll come out and say gee whiz maybe this health care climate change bill is going to cost over a trillion dollars after all.

65 Mr. Mann, you know how to propose the research...you just don't know how to conduct the research.  Anybody can just propose it...



I have a research proposal. We should research how the judicious application of bacon and double-jointed cheerleaders to my wang can eliminate global warming climate change. Said research will require copious funding, truckloads of bacon and fresh cheerleaders delivered daily.

As this research would most likely be approved by a majority of morons, I expect my Nobel Prize within the week.

That makes about as much sense as what they're peddling.

66

Ace that scene in PotA is real......

Always been in, the book is as is often the case is better.

67
No no no, the mayor is the one who stuck his thumb in the woman's ass.

Remember? She said, "Carmine, you can take your thumb out of my ass, now."

68

I'm reminded of the Dean Martin's question to Thornton Melon, the world's oldest living freshman, in "Back To School":

Dean Martin: ...Mr. Melon, I'm only going to ask you once:
[beat]
Is this your work?
Thornton Melon: I can't lie to you, Dean Martin
[beat]
Thornton Melon: ...Yes, it is. 
   

69 This report clearly is raci... oh, it confirms our beliefs? Ok then, those who disagree with the report clearly are racist. Green is a fabulous color, and those against it are no better than Al Quaida.

70

No one with an ounce of integrity would use data as suspect as Mann's. 

Not unless they knew that their mathy-science would fool their brain damaged voters.

71

From now on we should call everyone involved in Big Media a minister of propaganda, or MOP^tm

You should see what we do with mops.

72

Or, to paraphrase... he got lots of money in grants for us, so some people who agreed with him gave him awards, which got us more money...

And we find nothing wrong with that...

73 Now let's get back to divvying up those trillions of climate change dollars.

Oh, and you're welcome for the reach-around.

74 I have no memory of having ever, ever seen that, ever, and i've seen the movie ten times.

75

'Dem academic folks sure is smart.

76 No no no, the mayor is the one who stuck his thumb in the woman's ass. Remember? She said, "Carmine, you can take your thumb out of my ass, now." Posted by: i'm blowing my little vizoola at July 14, 2010 07:29 PM (gt3o0) You bet that was the Mayor and if you don't believe me I'm gonna break both your knees

77

Posted by: Pennsylvania State University Investigatory Committee at July 14, 2010 07:28 PM (VOigi)

Thread winner!

78 I'm with you, Ace. I don't remember the Heston smoking his stoggie in the cabin of the proto-Shuttle nor any self-medication. I remember him coming to and finding his hawt blonde crewperson had changed into Helen Thomas.

79 s'moron,  no offense but you're an idiot.

You cannot both be a devout Christian and be an evolutionist, unless you can somehow reconcile the genealogy of Christ that traces the lineage of Christ back to Adam, which would require the belief that Adam and Eve really did existed.  Since the idea of evolution runs completely contrary to the genealogical record, it's one or the other.  Stop hedging your bets like a fucking RINO and pick one.

80 We have concluded that because there is overwhelming evidence that nitanny lions are stranded on ice floes, that Dr. Mann was justified in the use of his hockey stick.

81 evolved, [deleted for being too harsh] Second try, Evolved, Maybe you should let individual people decide if they're Christians or not, huh? Unless you have the list from Jesus.

82 >>>I remember him coming to and finding his hawt blonde crewperson had changed into Helen Thomas. I remember that too, okay, THAT is the first thing I remember.

83
Or do I just never actually see the beginning of the movie?

Okay, you know what's weird? I'll bet my left nut you can name at least one particular movie that you've never watched in its entirety but have seen bits and pieces of it often enough to know the whole movie pretty well.

For me that movie is THE MATRIX. Never watched it but I haven't seen it all over in about 25 increments and have placed all the pieces together like a jigsaw puzzle. Same with TITANIC.

84 lol. mankiw posted a somewhat related post today on scientific modeling, but with regards to keynesian economics. basically, we start with beliefs. then make models. everyone of like-mind concurs with those models because they fit with their pre-held assumptions and expectations. http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2010/07/ceas-impossible-job.html and yeah, ace, that is at the beginning of the movie.

85

We have no admission standards at all.  Just sayin'.

86 I know that phenomenon -- Coming in frequently to the same movie and never seeing the beginning -- very well. One movie I saw TEN FRIGGIN' Times (and loved it) but never saw the beginning was "The Last of Sheila." I always came in during the first game or second game, but never, ever saw the set up. Finally, after ten years of seeing this movie, I finally did see the beginning

87

We have no admission standards at all.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: The Church of Scientology at July 14, 2010 07:37 PM (9hu1I)

I thought you had to be a gullible, rich, insecure celebrity

88 And that open is pre-credits, so you might have skipped over it.

89 I find that coming in late to some movies actually enhances them, because they seem more charged with mystery (in as much as you're trying to piece together the plot without the spoon-feeding beginning) and you often assume the beginning must be better than it actually is.

90

Vizoola:

My movie is BladeRunner.  I know its heresy, but I rented that movie about 10 times in HS but never got to watch it.  I believe I was trying to feel me some sweater meat every single time. 

Have to find out if I can get that on Netflix when I get back in town...I'm sure the wife won't get it but it will my private little joke.

91

Recall that one of the biggest knocks on climate "science" is that it never makes a prediction that can be verified (actually, it does, but they're always wrong), but that "proof" of its veracity comes from the fact that everyone's models agree with everyone else's.

So, in other words, we know the theory is true because people who believe in the theory agree with other people who believe in the theory that the theory is true.

In other words, circular "reasoning".  No, not even reasoning, just a bunch of people in a circle jerk, shouting their crappy theories to the heavens and denouncing those who question it in any capacity with impunity. 

92 Sorry to say, but none of you morons is on the list.

93 I saw the movie first run as a little kid, and I do remember some sort of introductory oration, and even the cigar seems familiar. I have never seen the movie since, so I can't be sure my memory isn't messing with me.

94 I find that coming in late to some movies actually enhances them, because they seem more charged with mystery (in as much as you're trying to piece together the plot without the spoon-feeding beginning) and you often assume the beginning must be better than it actually is.

Plus, you've missed the endless string of commercials and coming attractions that make you want to put your eyes out with your drink straw.

95 like, you don't notice implausible situations as much, because you figure, 'oh well, they probably explained this perfectly well." "Body Double" would be one of those movies, as I always come into it during the mall/kiss scene, but in that case I actually had seen the beginning once.

96
oh yeah, and that's another weird phenomenon -- you just happen to stumble upon a movie at the exact same scene a bunch of times.  Or you see the same damn re-run of a show over and over.

97 An "appeal to authority" where the appealer and the authority are the same persons.

(And, yes, Ace, that is the start of Planet of the Apes with Heston giving a soliloquy before going under suspended animation himself.)

98 I can only remember the statue of liberty scene and something about worshiping the bomb.

99 It makes you wonder why Enron was ever audited... I mean with all the money they made, why would anyone doubt them?

100 Ace, just my two cents, but I've seen that opening too, and I've watched Planet of the Apes about half a dozen times.  I'm guessing you've skipped over it.

101 I'm going to start a thread on this.

102 47 s'moron

hey Jehu,

Evolution is not the antithesis of creation.

Evolution happened, get over it.

The world is more  than 8,000 years old.

That, or you have to deny the accuracy of atomic clocks, the measurable speed pf light, the existence of matter, and all sorts of convenient things.

nothing in evolution excludes a Creator from setting up the rules to result in sentient species evolving.

I say this as a fairly devout Christian


Take your straw-man off of automatic.  I believe the universe is 14 billion years old, the earth is 4 or 5 billion years old.  I accept good science.  I do not accept climate science, nor evolution as now taught.  When any evolutionist can propose to me how symbiotic life can come about without proposing any outside directing (intelligence) then I might be more open. 

I am not a young earther, I do not know how species came about in their distinction.  I question genes are as elastic or as magical as evolutionists propose, otherwise you might finally get a tangelo seed, or a mule that can reproduce.  Funny but botanists are usually pretty quite about all this evolution, as there is no clear cut species coming from other species in the plant world, just guys labeling a pine tree MORE primitive than a deciduous tree because they show up earlier in the fossil record, but that pine tree is just as sophisticated as your broad-leaf plant.

As an engineer I want real verifiable math-based science.  I have yet to see a system of equations that deal with species differentiation, but I have lots of equations for the electromagnetic field.   And I am not talking about the hodgepodge of statistical and population equations Darwinsts drag about like a ventriloquist dummy.  Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting a (science knows what it is talking about party line) In my field I have Maxwell's equations that are elegant, and are systematic and reproducible for liberal or conservative, atheist, or believer, set of descriptive equations describing electro-magnetic fields.

103

I'm trying to raise funding in order to construct a big enough cannon to shoot Dr. Mann into the sun.

Can you spare $5.00?

104 oh yeah, and that's another weird phenomenon -- you just happen to stumble upon a movie at the exact same scene a bunch of times.

The Godfather on TNT.  Right when they're telling Michael how to get the gun from the back of the toilet.

105
where's barbelle? She knows this movie like nobody's business, haha.

106 As a (formerly?) proud graduate of PSU, I have long advocated for the removal of Dr. Mann to anyone who would listen.  He has no place there.  Keep up the drumbeat against him, Ace.  Maybe even throw in a flaming skull once in a while.  It wouldn't take much digging to uncover more posts against this evil man.

107 99 I can only remember the statue of liberty scene and something about worshiping the bomb.

Those are end of Planet of the Apes and the mutant population who worshiped the atomic bomb in the 2nd movie - Beneath the Planet of the Apes respectively.

108

I find that coming in late to some movies actually enhances them, because they seem more charged with mystery (in as much as you're trying to piece together the plot without the spoon-feeding beginning) and you often assume the beginning must be better than it actually is.

With most modern movies, coming in at the last 10 minutes works.

109 @21: "Seriously, science is on life support. I recently received my last issue of Smithsonian, the 40th Anniversary Edition and it is nothing but leftist green bullshit with dire warnings about the end of the planet unless we act now!

Yes it's been going that way for a while but the earth sciences have been completely corrupted"

Biology, too. Watch or read pretty much ANY program/article on any particular animal/region, and all you get is that "climate change leaves them with a grim future.

One way or another, it will all end in genocide.  Either the statists/Gaia-worshippers wipe out pretty much everyone through their idiocy, or the rational people get rid of the statists/Gaia-worshippers.  If I could be on the outcome, I'd wager very, very heavily on the statists/Gaia-worshippers to win.

110 Yes, that clip is indeed in "Planet of the Apes"  I just watched the beginning on NetFlix to be sure... it comes right after the "20th Century Fox" logo, and before the movie's opening credits.

111

Can you spare $5.00?

I'll give you a tenner if it will help expedite the process.

112 Ace,

You highlighted some good stuff, but missed perhaps the biggest:

"This level of success in proposing research, and obtaining funding to conduct it, clearly places Dr. Mann among the most respected scientists in his field."

Mann set a model not for understanding climate but for getting money. His peers first admired, then emulated him. Then they gave him awards for showing them how.

These are not scientists; they're scam artists and should go to jail. My cynicism of their fraud is boundless, so I'm pretty sure you've met your match.

113 90 I find that coming in late to some movies actually enhances them, because they seem more charged with mystery (in as much as you're trying to piece together the plot without the spoon-feeding beginning) and you often assume the beginning must be better than it actually is.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2010 07:40 PM (SsvUp)

So you're the one always walking in late...

114
hahaha, BLADE RUNNER

Never saw it! Always always come into at the scene with the chick wearing the clear plastic jacket kicking someone in the face in the rain. That's all I know of that movie and I've seen that scene a hundred times.

115

You should read the self-involved "geniuses" at Slashdot opine on this subject.  FOIA requests are done by denier "trolls" who are wasting the good scientist's time with legal harassment.  Climate-gate is drummed up by right-wingers and creationists.  Mann was cleared.  The code that was clearly cooked wasn't cooked; you don't even know what that code was doing.  If you're not an expert in the field, you don't understand what's going on, and shouldn't be part of the conversation.  Just look at this article from Climate Watch that proves my point.  &etc.

116 I remember that scene.  It's right.

117

@27: "There will be blood in State College. I'm not the only alum disgusted with this shit."

Yeah, alumni contributions could drop a whole tenth of a percent or something.  No one will do anything.  Ever. They never do.

118 I've completely missed something, here. How in the wide world of sports did this turn into a movie thread?

119
Ace is gonna start a thread on the Planet of the Apes?

120 Here's video of another Penn State official looking for evidence.

121 She-iiiit.

This is way too opaque to be a white-wash. Its more like a Black_Wash^®.

Back when I was doing research in the biomedical field, things like Michele Mann has done would have got me banned from the field for life.  But, no, if you're the darling of the leftist asshats you get a pass, yea, even a promotion and Half-a-Million dollar new grant from the NSF.

This is what happens when we elect asshat moonbat dim-o-KKKrats!!! [and them's their good points]

122

Clearly, Dr. Mann's reporting of his research has been successful and judged to be outstanding by his peers. This would have been impossible had his activities in reporting his work been outside of accepted practices in his field.

Remember that Phil Jones and Michael Mann were actively trying to get those who disagreed with their theory off of the editorial boards of the scientific journals that addressed "climate change".

So this "peer award" vindication is akin to having a jury of foxes judge the fox who took the eggs from the chicken coop. 

123 Mann himself was peer-reviewed, so he must be of the highest caliber.

124 Otter was the man-whore who bedded Mrs. Wormer.

That's Mrs. Dean Wormer to you.

125
"They have too often mistaken real doubts for scurrilous attacks, and relied on mutual reinforcement rather than open debate, on authority rather than argument. The IPCC, chaired by Rajendra Pachauri, should by its procedures and example do much to help with this. Unfortunately, it has allowed itself to become part of the problem."

-the economist.


& gosh, who does that remind you of?

126

Ace should start a creationism thread.  He could invite Captain Ponytail Queeg as a guest lecturer.

127 104

I'm trying to raise funding in order to construct a big enough cannon to shoot Dr. Mann into the sun.

Can you spare $5.00?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 14, 2010 07:43 PM (P33XN)

"This level of success in proposing research, and obtaining funding to conduct it, clearly places Dr. Mann Dack Thrombosis among the most respected scientists in his field."

128 With most modern movies, coming in at the last 10 minutes works.


Or you could just watch the 2 minute trailer on-line and save yourself 90 minutes and $12.

129

What a grand sham. What these imbeciles accomplished is exoneration of the "deniers" by declaring Mann cleared of wrongdoing by  decree without so much as a Q&A session. What better reason to be a denier could you ask for?

They are convinced that the rest of us are as stupid as they are.

130 O/T but Drudge is hammering The One.

131 I'm cynical. I think I'm even more cynical than most of you, and that's saying something.

That sounds like a challenge.

132 #118  Yeah, alumni contributions could drop a whole tenth of a percent or something.  No one will do anything.  Ever. They never do.

If that.  Most of the alumni won't give a damn about this betrayal of the scientific method and that such betrayal might ultimately lead to privation for much of the world.

/Speaking as a PSU student.

133

Just remember, Global Warming is not a lie if you believe it.  And I am really willing to believe.  But first you must release my second chakra.  Or blow me.  It's up to you.

134 Question: Is this really at the beginning of Planet of the Apes? Answer: Yes, yes it is.

135

@59: "Well to be technically accurate Pinot nailed the little girl on the Fifty Yard line"

The movie never really says if he nailed her or not.  The football field stops before showing them doing anything, and she introduces Pinto to her dad as "the guy who molested me."  He'd already accomplished that at the toga party. 

136 125 Mann himself was peer-reviewed, so he must be of the highest caliber.

Peer-review can also be rubber stamping by fellow circle-jerkers.

137

If I could be on the outcome, I'd wager very, very heavily on the statists/Gaia-worshippers to win.

I can't go there with you but the corruption spreads into every facet of life. I picked up a locally published book on the history of Ocracoke when I was on the Outer Banks a few years back and what was the phenomenon most likely to hurt the habitation of the island in the future? Not tourism, not over development but Global Warming. The Outer Banks will be under water by 2100. That was the whole frickin' point of what was otherwise an interesting book.

These assholes are everywhere.

138 137 125 Mann himself was peer-reviewed, so he must be of the highest caliber.

Peer-review can also be rubber stamping by fellow circle-jerkers.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 14, 2010 07:54 PM (WmoM+)

Especially if you get to choose who is in the circle. In a just world there would be harsh and ruinous penalties for academic and scientific fraud.

139 79 I'm with you, Ace. I don't remember the Heston smoking his stoggie in the cabin of the proto-Shuttle nor any self-medication. I remember him coming to and finding his hawt blonde crewperson had changed into Helen Thomas.
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at July 14, 2010 07:34 PM (rQTdM)

It may have been cut in some TV versions, but I clearly remember Heston talking in the spaceship as he gives himself an injection before going into suspended animation.

140

Climate sciences and AGW are the Lysenkoism of our times

http://bit.ly/1OdQ6W

141 And Mann still refuses to debate e.g. Lord Monckton. That doesn't sound too outstanding.

142 The very history of science is a lot of people finding out a little bit about something, then developing hardened opinions about that little bit.  Getting funding, reputations, university positions...power.  About knowing a lot about that little thing.  Now that is really not a problem, until someone finds out just a little bit more, that sometimes completely overthrows the first assumptions about that little area.  Then the scientific bloodbath ensues.  After a few years the old guard comes on board or retires and new textbooks are written. 

The old theory is ridiculed and only found in dusty tomes.  However in its day that old theory was universally beleived.  And woe to the unbelievers. I call bullshit on any human being as being utterly scientific and objective, most all human beings, if not all, filter all knowledge and truth though an existing worldview.  The genius of an Einstein is he is able to think outside the existing worldview or scientific consensus.  But later Einstein was felled by the same myopia, and rejected Quantum Mechanics, the basis of much or most of our modern electronic world.

143 So, what's the topic?

144 Kent: Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charges that petty vandalism such as graffiti is down eighty percent, while heavy sack-beatings are up a shocking nine hundred percent? Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that. Kent: I see. Well, what do you say to the accusation that your group has been causing more crimes than it's been preventing? Homer: [amused] Oh, Kent, I'd be lying if I said my men weren't committing crimes. Kent: [pause] Well, touche'.

145 >>My movie is BladeRunner. One of my all-time favorites. Watch it next time. It was before Harrison Ford sucked too badly and there are some classic scenes.

146 In fact the peculiar disease of liberals versus conservatives, is liberals are true believers, even if empirical evidence shows their political systems are all failures you cannot convince them to embrace a different worldview.  Whereas I think conservatives, though having their worldview, at least have historical evidence that their worldview is successful as applied to societies as a whole.

It is important to guard against rigidity and self-assurance that your viewpoint is correct, without becoming a Clinton where you only believe something on the basis if it helps number one.

147

Posted by: Jehu at July 14, 2010 08:01 PM (ECUd1)

Yeah, I agree with that for the most part but this is the first time that politics has co-opted science and perverted it to push a social agenda on a global scale.

Fortunately there are more of us than them.

148 ...yeah...and Bernie Madoff was a respected investment advisor...I guess that means he's innocent too...knuckleheads.

149

@150: "Fortunately there are more of us than them."

Numbers don't mean that much, necessarily.  The formula for power has always been Numbers + Resources X Will.  Their resources and will are both significant. 

150 We know Michael Mann couldn't be guilty of scientific misrepresentation because the same people he conspired with to misrepresent science gave him awards for misrepresenting science. I guess I should quit reading novels. None of the fiction writers can make up stuff half this crazed.

151 Mr. Mann, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

152

@152: "Bottom line, libs will say or do anything to have control.  Yet given control, they cannot control themselves and they implode."

If they didn't have the annoying tendency to take lots of unwilling folks with them while they are imploding, that would be fine.

153

Take your straw-man off of automatic.

Happy to Jehu. 

We agree on pretty much everything, but you have to admit your first comment was a bit weighted toward the creationist-angle.


Evolved,

Viewing the Bible stories as more allegorical than factual is a good place to start, and fully in line with Catholic theology.  It presents problems not with Christ's lineage, which only really required coming from David to fulfill the OT prophesies, but instead with the "Adam and Eve" conception of original sin.  At some point, man became sentient and aware of the ability to act with malice, but how to pin that on two people in the Garden, I don't know. 

I'm not hedging, I'm believing what I believe until there's a compelling reason not to.  Having felt God acting through me (in a physical sense), I'm strongly biased to believe in a universal creator.  Believing in the death and resurrection of Christ, I am Christian. 

Viewing fossils in mountain ranges and the ability to measure atomic half-lives, as well as the speed of light and the distant galaxies at the dawn of the universe, I accept that the Bible is not literally true.  Literal truth of the Bible isn't necessary for my faith, so I fail to see how I'm hedging a damn thing.

 

154

Seriously, science is on life support. I recently received my last issue of Smithsonian, the 40th Anniversary Edition and it is nothing but leftist green bullshit with dire warnings about the end of the planet unless we act now!

Posted by: ErikW at July 14, 2010 07:11 PM (9BzMV)

Why do I have a feeling the 30th edition also predicted imminent doom unless we stopped the peons from using fossil fuels too.

155

Numbers don't mean that much, necessarily.  The formula for power has always been Numbers + Resources X Will.  Their resources and will are both significant. 

Not that I'm doubting you but is there a book or article on the formula for power that I can read so I can judge for myself?

That sounds too much like strategy for a board game.

156 "Climate-gate" and other so-called investigations have been pushed forward by the denialosphere: a hodge-podge of industry front groups, fake scientists, conservative activists, deniers, and cranky, contrarian journalists who've decided to set reason aside and go on constant attack mode despite the facts."

I recall that one of the arguments that warmists use is that in order for AGW to be false, there had to be an active conspiracy and/or massive incompetence.

Well, we know there is a conspiracy now thanks to the leaked emails, and the most favorable analysis of Mann's "research" is rank incompetence.

157

If they didn't have the annoying tendency to take lots of unwilling folks with them while they are imploding, that would be fine.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 14, 2010 08:16 PM (ySNz/)

Wouldn't that ruin the point? The whole idea behind liberalism is to take from others for your own personal endeavors because creating the wealth you want to spend yourself is to damned hard.

158

As a matter of pure logic, the prime mover is not a bad reason to believe in a creator, gus.  People disagree on its validity as a matter of absolute proof, but it possesses intuitive sense. 

It's not really a basis for belief in a specific god, or for discerning the attributes of that god.  You can end up with anything from far removed deists to everything-has-a-spirit animists from that initial position. 

My faith is only based on my experience.  There are things I cannot explain.  I'm OK with a certain amount of irreconcilability in this lifetime. 

My only prayer is that God allow me to see the beauty of his universe and its workings, on the cosmic scale, when I move on to hopefully hang with Him in the the next plane of existence.

159 18-1: "Why do I have a feeling the 30th edition also predicted imminent doom unless we stopped the peons from using fossil fuels too."

And the 70th Ed. will predict - even after we've outlawed oil - that humans must hold in their farts because of their contributions to global warming... unless one buys UN IPCC carbon credits.

160

s'moron says it well and the only thing I might add is that one of the greatest tragedies of our time is that society has been taught that there is either science or religion, neither the twain shall meet.

I personally believe that science and religion compliment each other and if folks on both sides would get their heads out of their asses, some real progress might be made.

161

Totally O/T -- A great ad against Patty Murray.

http://tinyurl.com/2fslnmj

 

162

Why do I have a feeling the 30th edition also predicted imminent doom unless we stopped the peons from using fossil fuels too.

One of the magazine's first issues was published for the first Earth Day.

Imagine how annoying that might have been.

163 "May no act of ours bring shame,
To one heart that loves thy name."
(From the Penn State Alma Mater by Fred Lewis Pattee)

New lines to follow the above from the 2010 revision by Michael Mann:

"Unless climate science is your game.
Hide the decline.
Hide the decline."

164 Sorry.  I stopped reading here:

"By way of preamble, let me remind you where I stand on climate change. I think climate science points to a risk that the world needs to take seriously. I think energy policy should be intelligently directed towards mitigating this risk. I am for a carbon tax."

Yeah.  Fuck you, I'm not reading your article.

165 My problem with Dr. Mann is that he is a sellout.

I'm a graduate (non-practicing) Marine Zoologist who started looking at globular waarming over 40 years ago.

I read the Mann/Bradley/Hughes paper when it first came out in the 90s.   In the original paper, they state that there 'could be' problems with the statistics and methodology.  Looking at the full data could show you normal temperatures for the last hundred years...or it could show a hockey stick pattern no matter what data was input (including random noise).

Soon after publishing, Mann became the darling of the greens and got more stroking than Paris Hilton's kitteh.

The paper was amended (at the behest of greenies) by removing 80% of the data to leave only the hockey stick and all of his own seconds thoughts went away.

He sold out.

166 for "lack of credible evidence"

That there is the precise definition of so-called 'climate scientists' - from the moment one so much as skims a synopses of their work it cannot be denied that their work is pure fiction - nothing else.

167 #80. I must have missed that requirement in the Bible. Was that what Jesus said on the Sermon on the Mount, the Director's Cut?

Plus, there's the fact that evolution, even if true, doesn't disprove the existence of Adam and Eve. In fact, I'm pretty sure the EVOLUTION of mitochondrial DNA in humans proves that there was an Eve of some kind (everyone shares a common ancestor).

#103 And when an electrical engineer can perform heart surgery, I'll believe my light switch works. Hey, if you can demand one discipline do the work of another, why can't I? The wackiness of your logic makes me hope my life never depends on something you engineered.

I also like how you demand equations for evolution. I take it you also demand equations to prove that ice ages happen. Sorry, you're looking at something far more complex than determining the melting point of steel or the airflow in a jet turbine. How can an equation for evolution possibly take into account migration, climate change, disease, predation, or natural disasters (you know, the things that actually drive it)? You're talking about layering so many equations on top of one another that collecting the data to actually fill in the variables would be a near impossible task. Really, if we had the mathematical prowess to do that, we could accurately predict the weather all across Earth for every day of the next thousand years without a problem.

And yes, statistical data is strong evidence. If you don't accept it, that's your problem, but I definitely want you on my jury if they ever catch me with a bloody knife standing over my latest hobo kill.

As for your plant complaint, even in the animal kingdom it's hard to see which specific species emerged from which immediate ancestor, as the data is noisy at lower levels due to gene flow (and plants, due to pollination, have an even greater gene flow than animals).

168

He sold out.

Just like all the rest of them.

With trillions at stake, what's a few million or billion in grants here or there?

They're whores with degrees.

169 In other science news it has been revealed that The One was instrumental in developing a theory linking curved space-time with constitutional law.
The American Thinker:  http://tinyurl.com/2er6w7a
Can you say Nobel Prize for Physics, you racist deniers?

170 Hmmmm.

@ Ace

Stop watching Planet of the Apes on TNT! 

Rent the dvd and watch that.  It'll amaze you.

171

This is called "being right by definition," something that anybody who has ever tried to argue with management in corporate America should be familiar with. If there's money being made, "their guy" is just as much "above the rules" as they are, and any arguments to the contrary are magically found to be deficient. This is true even if the argument clearly proves that a heavy cost will be imposed in the long run (in this case the reputation of Penn State is being obliterated, not to mention that of the climate science community, and the scientific community as a whole). This is the same kind of thinking that undoubtedly also caused the oil disaster in the Gulf - if not also the non-response of the Obama administration (although that would be about something besides money).

This is exactly the sort of thing that Psych parodies, BTW.

172 I just point and laugh at anyone who still espouses AGW bullshit. They really hate that.

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