1 The Red Bull-meth combo speedballs have gotten to Ace again.

2 Birtherism is an issue for elections, not for presidencies; but this guy is a cypher.  We have zero concrete information about him over the first 46 years of his life.  Can you really blame us for not being 100% absolutely sure he's born here?

3 Hiccup!  Excuse me.

4 Taking double posting to a new level!

5 To get a passport, I have to show a birth certificate. I challenge Mr. Obama to show his birth certificate to all and sundry to prove everyone wrong.

/and that will happen when I sprout two extra heads.

6 Don't you know double posts represent another job created or saved?

7
Anything that casts a pall and undermines this college lecturer's term in office is a-okay with me.

8 I just want to see the "smart guy's" transcripts, yo uknow, like every other candidate and president.

9 I'll stipulate to all concerned that he was not born in the circumstances he claims.  But...there is very little that can be done quickly enough to repair the damage he has done.

Let's concentrate on issues over which we have some control; like releasing all of the Area 51 data, and finding out exactly where the moon mock-up for the fake lunar landing is.

10 I'm not sure of anything any more, but one thing I know about these kinds of polls, usually they demonstrate how stupid people who answer polls are.

I saw one poll where I think 15% had said they had seen Elvis since Aug 1977.

11 there's just no paper trail on this guy at all. totally bizarre.

12

Dear Ace,

The birther thing that keeps cropping up in threads, etc., (no, wait, it gets better) has been interesting to me. When I first heard about the birther stuff I laughed it off; it's patently ludicrous. But it's not going away, in fact, it's cropping up more now than ever before, which I have found fascinating.

While I don't think Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii, I think I know why this is happening.

It's not Obama's citizenship at issue, it's that Obama doesn't behave  like an American. By "American" I mean your normal American who loves this country, it's history and traditions, etc. Obama clearly does not and, even if he does, his policies, etc., do not reflect any America that I grew up in. I believe it's because although he was born  in America he was not raised  here. He was raised overseas. His earliest memories and experiences are not "American." No Brady Bunch, Happy Days, Carol Burnett, the first Bob Newhart show. Or if you want to be culturally sensitive, no Flip Wilson, Bill Cosby, Eartha Kitt or Sidney (pre-crazy) Poitier. Those things are not part of his makeup. Just as people from other countries say that becoming a citizen doesn't make you "French" or "Australian", being born here but being raised somewhere else makes Obama not an American in a philosophical sense only. 4th of July picnics in Indonesia? Doubtful. Thanksgiving? Memorial Day Parades? Sunday Night Football?

Such events and traditions, whether you attend or participate in them are not, are part of the cultural fabric of this country.

I know many immigrants that love all of these things, that love this country with a happy passion that they will gladly describe to you. But they wanted to come here, they wanted to be American with a capital "A". Those immigrants, as much as they have embraced all that is American, sometimes trip up even after being here for years: slang, references to cultural events or people. The thing is, they WANT to know what those things are and by his behavior, I have the creepy, creepy feeling that Obama does NOT. Those are the things of the prole, the middle or lower classes. He's never actually lived in America at all, when you consider Harvard and Columbia and the Senate, et al.

Obama has made one genius move, though: He doesn't release his BC. It's brilliant, really. It keeps the muttering stoked, it makes otherwise-sane people pause for a second. And he's doing it for one reason: to sow discord and division. It is what he has always done best. He would never give away the opportunity to sow discord on the Right.

So let's not let him do it. Realize that although he was born here, the reason he freaks people out is because he doesn't act like it. And he's not going to start any time soon. So now I ignore it utterly, but I don't blame people for "wondering." There's something "off" about our President (sorry, just threw up in my mouth a little) and it's hard to pin down. But his demeanor is distinctly Asian (I know whereof I speak, I've worked for Asian companies for 14 years) and sometimes when he gets a "soft" question from a reporter you can see that blank look for a second ("Who is the Sultan of Swat? He** if I know. . . Just say you love it. . .").  The more people see of him, the more those little flashes occur, and the more discomfited they are, hence the increase in those who don't think he's an American.  Philosophically he isn't.

I'm just saying that we cannot buy into it. We need to come into November like a tsunami and sweep away those that are helping his horrible policies become law.

That's all.

13
It is really, ah, intriguing how little of a paper trail this man Obama/Soetero has.

No paper trail. No past girlfriends or friends. No transcripts. No thesis. No term papers. Nothin authored in the Harvard Law Review.

Very interesting.

14 He was born in America. Basically, we all know that. To assume there was a conspiracy that when he was born the editors of the 2 Hawaiin papers said "That kid in Kenya, he's going to be an American President one day, so let's cover it all up" is ridiculous. That all being said, who looks crazy in the end? The birthers who are allied with Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, and their ilk or the guy who's already been elected President?

15 I don't get too in to the birther thing because it's not terrible helpful.  But I think it's quite possible that Urkel's Mom/Grandparents lied about his place of birth and never told HIM the truth.  JustOneMinute sets out some perfectly logical reasons why they would want to claim American citizenship for him.  If they did that, would they turn around when he's 10 years old and say "by the way, we totally lied about where you were born"?

16 Only 42% Certain Barack Obama Born In America

 Erick Erickson hardest hit.

17
yeah, but it's not terrible hurtful, either

18 CNN would like to pretend that we care where O'Bambi was born. We don't. McCain, after all, was born in Panama. But wouldn't it be nice if there were some trace of him- records, interviews, articles, grades, transcripts, papers, FRIENDS, relatives, neighbors, people whose communities he organized, etc. Instead, we take the Pentagon bomber's word for it in Dreams of Uncle Saul. Because we're curious about the Man We Adore.

19 < 90pt font!e1eventy!!> Posted by: I Denounce Myself < /90pt font!e1eventy!!>

Did your mother ignore you as a child?

20 Wayne Allyn Root and his classmates can't ever remember seeing him at any school function, let alone in school.

21 My take is that although he was born in the US, there is something else on that birth certificate that is questionable.  My guess:  It raises questions as to who his daddy was.

22 I think people are suspicious partly because no one ever saw this guy (nationally) before the 2004 Dem national convention and then in four years, with no information about him divulged by anyone, himself or the MFM, he's President. There was not the usual period of getting to know someone on the public stage. Plus he's sketchy. He's a sketchy guy. He's up to his neck in Communist/Socialist/New Party connections and he's just erased that from the record with MinTruth's eager assistance. The trouble with the born in Kenya theory is that there has never been a shred of evidence his mother even traveled there. None. Ever. It was all a surmise to explain his forged birth certificate -- which was then proven to NOT be forged, thus obviating the need for an explanation. Still, he sure is a sketchy guy, with a shady background, and shadowy supporters. What's on the long-form birth certificate that's so embarrassing? Who knows. Religion: Muslim or an unexpected name in the Father slot.

23 That all being said, who looks crazy in the end? The birthers who are allied with Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, and their ilk or the guy who's already been elected President?

Posted by: SnowSoul at August 06, 2010 02:16 PM (AW8nH)

The guy named Hussein and the fuckheads who voted for him.

24 If you announced nationwide that Odumbass used to go by the name Barry Soetoro, at least 52% would call you a liar, yet this is a fact Odumbass doesn't dispute.

25 To get a passport, I have to show a birth certificate. I challenge Mr. Obama to show his birth certificate to all and sundry to prove everyone wrong.

/and that will happen when I sprout two extra heads.

Posted by: shibumi at August 06, 2010 02:10 PM (OKZrE)

You only have to show the certified copy of your county's record of your birth.  I haven't seen my hospital-issued birth certificate in many years, but I've not needed to use it to get a passport.

Related: people who point to the contemporary birth announcement for Barack Obama in the Honolulu newspapers should know that those have no bearing on where he was born, only on what his parent's address was when he was born.

26 is this bait?

27 Erick Erickson Transparency hardest hit.

28 May be why his America has 57 states!  We're all racists, by the way.

29 concerned about birth, eh? you know what else is determined at birth*? race, you racists. *that's what the left thinks anyway. it's as if pregnancy doesn't exist** **andi sullivan thinks otherwise though

30 #12

 +1 million

/would have appreciated a better font though.

31 Can anyone recommend me any good books on learning to knit?

32 For anyone still thinking this issue has to do with removing Obama from office you are missing the point. The point is  58% of people believe they can't be certain of ANYTHING Obama says.

33 I find it odd that nothing about his entire life is out there.

I am not a birther but its weird.... 

34
Plus this pic doesn't help Barry Soetero.

Ladies & Gentleman, the president of the United States.

35 "Because we're curious about the Man We Adore."

Yeah, and someone may invent this legend of The One being born at the highest volcano in Hawai'i, just like Kim Jong-Il...

36 What a stupid bastard.

37 ....only 34% certain he was born on this planet. Percentage declining as otherworldly economic policies pursued. Film at 11:00.

38 I think it lists his race as "white"

39 Only 42% Certain Barack Obama Born In America

Well, if you're going to act as if you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide, people are going to start thinking you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide.

Or more accurately people are going to become uncertain that you don't have something major to hide.

40 Oh Noes!

41 actually nothing may be on it -- he may just be establishing the precedent that he doesn't have to release anything about his background whatsoever, because the juicy stuff comes later.

42 I saw one poll where I think 15% had said they had seen Elvis since Aug 1977.

Well du'h he lives near here so we do see him around town now and then.

43 I can't watch video at work, so I don't know if this video even says what it says it says.  But I'm a risk-taker, people.

http://tinyurl.com/36jo27d

44 Wait...I thought we weren't suppose to talk about his birth certificate. 

45 Is it true that at that time, it listed the religion?
If so.. I bet it says muslim.

46 What's on the long-form birth certificate that's so embarrassing? Who knows. Religion: Muslim or an unexpected name in the Father slot.

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2010 02:20 PM (Sssu2)

I think he was born here, his short form birth certificate is similar to mine. I agree that there is something he's hiding who knows what.

He could end this thing himself by releasing the long form. Maybe he thought it would work for him by being able to marginalize his opponents. It seems it backfired. If 58% of voters have that kind of question about you re election seems doubtful.

47

FUD - Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Use it to bash his ass.

48

"Well, if you're going to act as if you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide, people are going to start thinking you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide."

If Obama's political strategy was to keep the GOP and TEA Parties off balance by keeping Birtherism alive, it may have backfired. The longer it lingers, the less kooky it seems.  And at a certain point, if it gains enough acceptance that Obama is forced to produce his birth certificate (or other documentary evidence that he was born in a specific location in Hawaii -- remember, he wasn't even certain which hospital he was born in, Queen's or Kapiolani -- he will just look weak.

Karl Rove admits a similar error in the wake of the Iraq War. He counseled against the Bush Administration vigorously countering the claims that (a) WMD was the entire reason for the war and (b) Bush lied about the WMD definitely being there. Over time, the mantra of "Bush lied, people died" was repeated so many times without official rebuttal that a lot of people took it to be true.

49 All right. So 42% are certain he's a natural-born citizen. Which means the rest, a majority, have doubts. Yet *someone* will denounce anyone with any questions about it as paranoid idiots unhelpful to the "conservative cause". Willow, I don't know what exactly you meant by "is this bait?" but I'm inclined to think that it is, in at least one way.

50
What a stupid bastard.

Who Me?

Now what'd I do?

51 ...people are going to start thinking you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide. The 'you' is starting to change. It used to mean the Obama campaign. I think people are realizing it's the media. That's when it gets dicey for the Democrats. They discover and/or invent the tiniest details about enemies of The Takeover, but can't uncover the broadest, most basic facts about our Miniature Messiah.

52

OK, so is "birtherism" now officially a course of speculation that can be pursued by serious, well-meaning, rational adults that have questions about Obama's linage and or country of origin?

Did that change around here in the last few days?

I hope so.

53 the juicy stuff comes later.

Oh, goodie.  I hope you don't mean in the future!

54

"Can anyone recommend me any good books on learning to knit?"

No, but I think gator has a book on how to knit dickmittens.

55 Who posted this?  I thought it was verboten to discuss this on AOSHQ?  Heads will roll, I tell you....

56 Wait are you telling me my job is to get Presidential transcrips and discover their backgrounds and then tell the American people what I find? I thought I only did thaqt to Republican VP nominees.

57

Tami,

I'm saying nothing.  Just to be sure.

It's a trap i tell ya! laughing.

58 and no it's not bait, if you want to go off on the theory go ahead, officially permitted. (It's always permitted, really, I just think it's a little silly.) It's just such a high percentage who doubt him. I never really thought this made us look bad or crazy, honestly -- a lot of people have their pet conspiracy theories; this is just one of many, and not even a huge one. I always thought the problem comes in when those who believe try to pressure politicians into validating the conspiracy theory publicly. A lot of people seem to have their doubts, though.

59 It's one thing when his peers do not remember him in college, but the college professors do not remember him either.  However, it is also possible that none of these professors have any interest in talking about one of their former students.  Especially one that goes on the become the first black US President.  That would make me go silent as well.

60

Posted by: I Denounce Myself at August 06, 2010 02:14 PM (y5VNb)

Interesting points.

Never been much interested in the birther thing.  But I was talking to my wife about Comrade Zero the other day and the point she made is exactly the same.  While he may have been born in America, he's definitely not "American."  He displays no comprehension of what American culture is about and his arrogant disdain for it is too strong to hide.

We've turned over control of the federal government to outsiders who have no interest in protecting it or promoting its values. 

So here's my message to all the squishy hankie-twisters who thought they were showing their compassion and openmindedness by voting for the guy with the black skin.  Next time, LOOK PAST THE DAMN SKIN COLOR!

61 42% on CNN that bastion of journalistic integrity...what is going on...why is that poll published...that's the real question...

62
Axelrod picked himself a winner.

Obama is virtually a blank slate -- or perhaps a man with an untraceable background.

Anyway, Obama's parents are dead, almost all his family is dead or living in remote places. His aunt is untouchable, and the media isn't even curious about her. But Obama sure sounds great and he looks cool.

Obama is the perfect empty suit.

63

It's a trap i tell ya! laughing.

Posted by: willow at August 06, 2010 02:30 PM (/x2TR)

Yeah, I think we're being bamboozled...hoodwinked, even.

64 When Odumbass is no longer President, all this shit will start being leaked, school transcripts, tuition funding, etc., and we will find out how truly big a fraud the Cocksucker in Chief really is.

65 a lot of people have their pet conspiracy theories

My cats are watching pay-per-view porn in the middle of the night.

_{(Hey, I got my wife to believe it).}

66 What's the over/under on his SAT score?

67 I still want to see his grades and transcripts.

I'm 99.9% positive they'll show he got lower grades then Bush (hell, even Kerry).

68 The double-post seems to have eaten my comment, but after reading those that survived the digital firestorm, I think a point or two still needs stating.

The furor over the birth certificate by itself is a distraction. The issue is what it represents when combined with the missing documentation and people from his pre-community organizer life.

We know almost nothing about Osama Obama before he entered politics. No one in such a position of trust has ever gotten there with more of his or her history withheld from the public.

The "missing" birth certificate is part of a pattern. The Traitor-in-Chief and his operatives have virtually erased what might be a problematic past. And no one in the mainstream of media or politics has raised the questions such concealment rightly raises.

Even if the Chicago Jesus was born in Hawai'i as is probable, there must be something he doesn't want us to see. He has spent millions (of other people's money) make certain we don't know.

Granted, he is innocent until proven guilty, but the mere scope of the erase-Obama's-past operation suggests there is something in the murky emptiness of his history that would turn the majority of his True Believers away from him, would perhaps expose him to legal action.

Once again: No one in such a position of trust has ever gotten there with more of his or her history withheld from the public.

And it's not about the birth certificate itself. It is about the documentation and friends/acquaintances that build up over anyone's lifetime, all of which he steadfastly refuses to reveal.

I don't say he's guilty. Yet. I say he's under suspicion, and rightly so.

69 Whatever his birthplace (and I want it explicitly, proudly defined and presented because it's one of the ridiculously low standards required by the Constitution), he remains foreign in thought. Obama may have picked up American mannerisms as a consequence of living in America, but his mind is elsewhere, molded by people who hate this country and wish it destroyed, i.e. "fundamentally changed."

He's a native son with sketchy (thanks, Ace) roots and non-native thoughts. Almost Manchurian-American if we seek the most applicable hyphenation.

70

71 Posted by: wtfci at August 06, 2010 02:31 PM (R4rMI)
I always thought that the minute he went into the government that everyone got non disclosure forms to sign...

72 ace: Did the reports about Obama using different social security numbers alter your view on Obama's birth?

73 The trouble with the born in Kenya theory is that there has never been a shred of evidence his mother even traveled there. None. Ever. It was all a surmise to explain his forged birth certificate -- which was then proven to NOT be forged, thus obviating the need for an explanation.

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2010 02:20 PM (Sssu2)

His Kenyan relatives (and a lot of other Kenyans) claimed he was born there, but they offer no collaborating evidence, and it can be chalked up to wishful thinking and pride.

74 and 73% think Bill Ayers wrote his birth certificate!

75 With Obama supposedly being such a suave mother fucker when he was in college, who were some of his girlfriend and why haven't a bunch of them come forward to claim "They once dated the future President of the United States?"

76 #59

I went to my 30th HS reunion, and I saw my water polo coach. He didn't remember my name, but when he looked at my name tag he called me by the  diminutive that was used when I was a teenager. And I played for one year.

So, I agree, it is very strange that so few people remember him at all!

77 >>>OK, so is "birtherism" now officially a course of speculation that can be pursued by serious, well-meaning, rational adults that have questions about Obama's linage and or country of origin? I still don't think it's very serious. But you can talk about unserious matters. The problem is that this surmise began when it was alleged by people who didn't know what they were talking about that his published birth certificate was forged, which it was conclsively proved was wrong, and yet, the premise having been rubbished, the conclusion drawn from that false premised not only lived on, but seemed to grow stronger. This is such an obviously fallacious style of illogic that I'm surprised i have to point it out.

78

The anagram for Orly C Taitz is "I Tort crazy" Coincidence?

And when will we see her Moldova birth certificate?

79

why would his college/law school professors not want to praise him?  hell, they could say Bambi was the brightest student to EVAH attend Harvard--how would we ever know since transcripts are embargoed.

high school drama coaches gush about their 10 minute interaction with, say, Val Kilmer, Julia Roberts, etc.

80 Jeeeesus, I don't know what he could be hiding.

81 Only 42% Certain Barack Obama Born In America

I'm not even 42% certain he wasn't born on Remulac.  I keep having this recurring thought of four worm-guys playing Twister, and saying in unison "maybe LANDED in Chicago..."

Now you all won't be able to get that out of your head (unless you have a neurolyzer).  You're welcome.

82

ace,

i just do not have enough knowledge about the bc thing to have any valid discussion.

But , what has disturbed me about the President's behavior that somewhat can validate the americanism of the Presdient is the "citizen of the world theme" during his campaign, and never passing an opportunity to slight fellow americans and our history.

but that could certainly only be a left trait, as they all percieve america as imperialistic and worthy of being brought to the dirt for fairness sake.

83 It's a trap!

84 By the way, is this post just intended to cause Charles Johnson to have a terminal stroke from apoplectic rage?

85 >>>ace: Did the reports about Obama using different social security numbers alter your view on Obama's birth? Not at all. You guys get this crap from "experts" who are not experts at all but crank "researchers." Same thing happened with the "proof" of the original short-form birth certificate's forgery-- remember? "Experts" came out to tell us their "expert" conclusions -- totally wrong, facts utterly wrong, didn't know a goddamned thing about a goddamned thing, just called themselves "experts in document authentification."

86 Jeeeesus, I don't know what he could be hiding.

Posted by: Rock Hudson at August 06, 2010 02:36 PM (yQWNf)

You think they checked "blow job artist" on his birth certificate?

87
I saw one poll where I think 15% had said they had seen Elvis since Aug 1977.

Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 02:14 PM (/jbAw)

Maybe they all lived in Vegas?

88 I hate those damn berthers!

89

also, I thought it was just in the news the past couple of days that the State Dept lost his mama's passport data.

and also, if he were indeed born in Kenya as many proud relatives insist, the record keeping there is probably not what it is in the Harvard registrar's office.  oh.  damn.

90

The whole was he or wasn't he born here stuff doesn't interest me nearly as much as his college transcripts.  If he really is the smartest president evar like some claim then he should provide some evidence for it.  Hell, if I had straight A's at harvard I'd probably hand out copies of my transcript instead of business cards, and my ego is nowhere near the size of this freaks.

91 O/T (or maybe not...)

Seattle to purchase crack pipes for addicts

92 36 What a stupid bastard.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2010 02:24 PM (rfHsm)

That's the perfect one-size-fits-all comment for the AoSHQ.

Just cut and paste it and you'll never run out!

93 In reality, Barack Obama is an alien from the planet Zaxxon. At night, when no-one is looking, he sheds his human skin and breathes dryer lint.

94 I don't give a rat's ass about his birth certificate.

No matter what the truth is (and I have no good reason to think he shouldn't be a by-birth US citizen, by the way), he's not going to be removed from office because of it.  Its WAY too late for that.

Lets see his college transcripts.

95 75 With Obama supposedly being such a suave mother fucker when he was in college, who were some of his girlfriend and why haven't a bunch of them come forward to claim "They once dated the future President of the United States?"

If you believe the HillBuzz gals, Obama didn't swing that way IYKWIMAITYD. 

By the way, has anybody seen Kal Penn recently?

96 I think the best way to handle this issue is for all the Republican candidates who are running for prez in 2012 to post images of their birth certs on their websites, and on the RNC's website, quietly and without comment.

If asked, the candidates can refer the questioner to the RNC, who should say, "We don't want there to be any confusion about whether any of our candidates are constitutionally qualified to hold this office." If pressed, they can say, "We have no comment about what the Democratic party does with respect to eligibility. You can form your own opinions about that."

97 There would be no birth issue if there were strict, explicit requirements for Presidential candidates to prove they are constitutionally qualified to be President before they get on the ballot.

98 My cats are watching pay-per-view porn in the middle of the night.

_{(Hey, I got my wife to believe it).}
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:32 PM

Two of my cats, whom I still miss, liked to watch Discovery Channel nature programs featuring roaring lions. Seriously. That was their PPV porn. Or a substitute for going out into the bush and hunting for themselves.

_{Never tried 'em on the opening footage of any MGM films....}

99 "Experts" came out to tell us their "expert" conclusions -- totally wrong, facts utterly wrong, didn't know a goddamned thing about a goddamned thing, just called themselves "experts in document authentification."

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2010 02:37 PM (2Dstd)

You mean like Janet Napolitano?

100 ace: Did the reports about Obama using different social security numbers alter your view on Obama's birth?

Not at all. You guys get this crap from "experts" who are not experts at all but crank "researchers."

I work in tracking down people all the time.  A LOT of people have records out there under different SSNs, because SSNs are used by credit reporting agencies, banks, and the government:  the three organizations most likely to screw up a cup of coffee.  Those mistakes are ubiquitous and usually quite obvious.

101 If he really wasn't born here, you don't think Hillary's camp would have leaked it? 

102 What a stupid Muslim bastard???

103 Posted by: admiral ackbar at August 06, 2010 02:37 PM (rfHsm) Where have you been? Quick, get my boat back to Newport before the tax collector shows up.

104 Try as I might, I just can't get past the feeling that Barry isn't completely leveling with us about either his own past, or his plans for our future.

It's just a feeling that I have that I can't shake.

105 What a stupid bastard.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2010 02:24 PM (rfHsm)

That's the perfect one-size-fits-all comment for the AoSHQ.

Just cut and paste it and you'll never run out!

Posted by: TexasJew at August 06, 2010 02:39 PM (o7kZZ)

OK. But first you will blow me.

106 Sorry about the huge font.  I couldn't figure out how to change it and now it's back to normal.  But thanks for the shoutouts -- especially from Kratos!

107 What's on the long-form birth certificate that's so embarrassing? Who knows. Religion: Muslim or an unexpected name in the Father slot.

If the concealment of that—if there really is a concealment, not an absence—isn't entirely strategic, it's because one or more of these things is on the original form: "religion: Muslim," "name: Barry," "race: white," "father: unknown."

He could explain any or all of those things in a way that would strengthen his bond with the 40% of believers, gain greater fidelity from his other 15% or so of off-and-on lovers, and partly disarm his detractors. But if any of that is there, he won't explain it. Splitting us is into enemy camps is more politically and psychologically useful to him.

108 thoughts
1/ 58%, and yet birthers are considered a fringe.

2/ It became moot the day he became elected. As a matter of constitutional integrity (aren't we the guys rooting for that?) all patriots should have put the issue aside on Nov. 3rd

3/ I think he is a citizen, but he has an awful lot to hide. Too much. I think his natural state is to hide who he is, what he believes, and what he intends to do. This is very dangerous.

4/ The BC has become a proxy for how much we can not prove about the man. a dangerous proxy since it makes the questioners look like sore losers. Like the Gore was robbed crowd. We need to focus on the other stuff we don't know, and the the stuff we do.

109

Okay I'm being slightly tongue-in-cheek here but let us talk about this while we're at it.

I've always been interested in this Poke-E-Stan-E visit of his when Americans were denied entrance w/a US passport.

 

110 Or let me put it like this: My expertise in Social Security number assignment tells me that unused blocks of numbers assigned to one state are commonly transferred to other states as needed. Do you believe my expert opinion? Well I just made it up. As I'm sure, frankly, your experts made up theirs. There are "experts" and there are REAL experts. Real experts tend to have accreditation and citations in their fields for past work -- if you're an "expert," after all, shouldn't someone have noticed before now? Internet "Experts" are just some guys making shit up online.

111 So where's denny crane to tell us something completely irrelevant that's supposed to make Democrats look good?

112
From what we know about his mother Stanley and his father, Obama comes from a very, how should I say this, very un-American and un-presidential family.

Obama's father was a real beaut. A big fucking jerk, to say the least. And then there's his father's ideology. Terrible man.

Obama's mother got mixed up with Soetero, and that tells you all you need to know about Stanley. Wisdom was obviously not one of Stanley's attributes.

113 My cats are watching pay-per-view porn in the middle of the night.

_{(Hey, I got my wife to believe it).}

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:32 PM (5aa4z)

Mine did too until I started licking myself.

114 While I find the curious circumstances of his birth interesting, I am not sure we will ever know the truth. What really interests me is his time at Columbia, and his relationship to Ayers and the Weathermen during their last bombing campaign.

115  Those mistakes are ubiquitous and usually quite obvious.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:40 PM (5aa4z)

that happened to me. One of the credit agencies entered my SSN wrong and I ended up having two of them. I think I still do. I never bothered to have them change it.

116 *that's what the left thinks anyway. it's as if pregnancy doesn't exist**

I'm still trying to figure out how Stanley Ann Dunham and Tim Tebow's mom made the same choice, but Mrs. Tebow chose "wrong" and gets ripped to shreds.

117 If he really wasn't born here, you don't think Hillary's camp would have leaked it? 

Posted by: brett favre's crocs at August 06, 2010 02:40 PM (9B8os)

What makes you think they didn't?  It's not like the allegation wasn't made during the campaign.

And why would Hillary's campaign be any better able to lay its hands on a document proving the matter one way or another than anyone else could?

118
Then we have Obama's half-brothers and aunt. If Obama is a genius, it doesn't run in the family.

119 I read a take-down of this poll somewhere regarding why people respond the way they do. Still looking.

120 I am pretty sure he was born in Hawaii just as he says.

121 #90

I don't need to see his transcripts at grade-inflation Harvard Law School, though that wouldn't hurt either.

Lets see his college transcripts from Occidental college, where he started off, then Columbia University, upon which his admission to Harvard were ostensibly based.

I've speculated elsewhere that his college grades were likely mediocre, and that the biggest reason his transcripts are being withheld from the public view is because they contains all sorts of "basket weaving" courses, or other questionable fluff.

Obama said explicitly in his own autobiography that in college he liked to smoke week and hang out with Marxists.  So one wonders exactly what it was that he was studying there, in formal terms.

122 There would be no birth issue if there were strict, explicit requirements for Presidential candidates to prove they are constitutionally qualified to be President before they get on the ballot.

Amen.  The biggest issue to me with all of this is that there doesn't appear to be any way to challenge someone (The Governator, Jennifer Granholm for example) who is clearly unqualified.  That's a bit worrisome.

123 Will tomorrow's poll be about the 911 truthers and will van jones then get his job back, like shirley?  Or is he making way more money and having way more fun thanks to Beck and company that he convinced Christina that there is life after the administration and she should grab it while she can.?

124

This will all be resolved in 50 years when they'll open up the archives in his Presidential library and we find out that he's actually from Alpha Centauri.

125 I really don't care about his birth cert.

I just want him to leave.

126

I believe he was born in the US, but since he was adopted by Indonesian Dad, he very well could've applied to Occidental as an Indonesian citizen. And if he did, that would constitute a renunciation of his American citizenship since he was of age. Certainly would explain why all his college records have been disappeared.

 

127 Patterico has a good post on the poll.

128 looking closely: "he's not going to be removed from office because of it. Its WAY too late for that.

Lets see his college transcripts."

Not necessary. Not any more. He has a publicly known record. His presidential one. And it's not quite spectacular!

He'll be removed in about two years - as soon as electorally possible - unless he can be impeached sooner for his power-grabbing methods, his legal bamboozling, or for using the Constitution as Charmin.

129 I don't know where he was born but I do know his mommie was a commie

130 I've speculated elsewhere that his college grades were likely mediocre, and that the biggest reason his transcripts are being withheld from the public view is because they contains all sorts of "basket weaving" courses, or other questionable fluff.

I don't think you're going to see "basket weaving" stuff so much as "Marxist Critique of..." kinds of courses.

131 Posted by: Farmer Joe at August 06, 2010 02:39 PM

John McCain produced his when questions were raised about his eligibility.

I guess this, and other actions and statement from Osama Obama simply prove he's above all that shit.

We have to prove ourselves to Him.

I agree with Ace on the absurdity of some of the claims about the Traitor-in-Chief. But those are the surface issues, nothing more than distractions.

It is the deliberate, extensive effort to scrub his past that raises justifiable suspicion, not what may or may not be on a single document from the huge pile.

132 So where's denny crane to tell us something completely irrelevant that's supposed to make Democrats look good? Posted by: Damn Skippy

Why? We're wasting time on something irrelevant to the Nov. elections. I'm sure he approves.

133 One of the credit agencies entered my SSN wrong and I ended up having two of them. I think I still do. I never bothered to have them change it.

And it will never influence your ability to get credit.  Better than half of credit files have been corrupted by bad SSNs at some point, I would bet.  Banks, etc. are used to it.

134 What really interests me is his time at Columbia, and his relationship to Ayers and the Weathermen during their last bombing campaign.

Posted by: Jean at August 06, 2010 02:42 PM (xMgdu)

Well, maybe the growing doubts about his place of birth will create collateral pressure for the release of his college and law school records.  Maybe some folks in the MFM will become disenchanted with him enough that they say, "while we regard the matter of his birthplace as settled fact, we admit that we've been negligent in failing to ferret out his college and law school transcripts."

135 Amen.  The biggest issue to me with all of this is that there doesn't appear to be any way to challenge someone (The Governator, Jennifer Granholm for example) who is clearly unqualified.  That's a bit worrisome.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 06, 2010 02:44 PM (YBXMV)

There isn't I researched it. The president doesn't even have an FBI background check. He could be a mass murderer and if the press doesn't find out about it nobody does.

136 yeah I'm with Ackbar here: it's a trap. let's not fall into chattering about birtherism again.  it's not important.  the important thing right now is to retake the House and Senate and reverse course from our current fast sprint towards socialism.

137 Just wait until he opens his presidential library...in Indonesia.  ha

138 We do know he didn't play baseball for Occidental. Or golf.

139

We know 100,000 more details of Madonnas VULVA than OBAMA'S past.

What we do know is ugly, racial and Communist.

140 Yup. Hawaii it is. I have lived here for a long time and remember when his father, Stanley, brought him home from the hospital.

141

I used to bang his mother after my many crowd-pleasing shows.

Her cootch sort of reminded me of Carlsbad Caverns and even had bats and an echo.

142 I don't give a rat's ass about his birth certificate.

No matter what the truth is (and I have no good reason to think he shouldn't be a by-birth US citizen, by the way), he's not going to be removed from office because of it.  Its WAY too late for that.

Lets see his college transcripts.

Posted by: looking closely at August 06, 2010 02:39 PM (PwGfd)

Thanks to Obama, and those awful Birthers, we don't really need to. For awhile, and when it counted the most during the election, hiding these things allowed Obama and the media to give the impression that all of the missing information was good. But this only worked because people didn't have doubts and didn't WANT to have doubts. Now they do and they don't have a problem with doubting. Thanks in part to Birthers but mostly due to the lack of releasing anything. Now instead we don't really need to see these things.

The long form birth certificate is now hiding something.

School transcripts are now bad.

Because they really are? Who knows? But everything else is bad so why shouldn't those be?

143 You can check my passport records. They will prove lil'Barry is legit...Oh, wait....nevermind.

144 Obama's in control of this.  Refusing to release documents looks suspicious, and whips his critics into a frenzy, which then allows the White House to highlight the frenzy and paint his opponents as nutbars tilting at windmills. 

And all the Dems have to do is not release it.  Presto, an instant marginalization of the other side.  Zero cost for the communists, big return.

Should he release it, as a technical matter?  Sure.  But since there's no force on Earth that can compel him to, why should he?  He's the one profiting from the furor from his opponents.  Why end the controversy?

145 The biggest issue to me with all of this is that there doesn't appear to be any way to challenge someone (The Governator, Jennifer Granholm for example) who is clearly unqualified.

There is a way - each state has its own procedures for certifying who goes on the ballot.  The birtherism thing has exposed that these procedures are laughably weak (i.e., just taking the party's or the candidate's word for it).  Maybe the one small silver lining from all this birtherism nonsense is that the states will firm up their procedures a bit.

146

Everytime, I refresh AoSHQ I get a hankering for Pizza Hut...and the aching feeling that my countries President is a lying, leftist, liberal, loser with little lackies licking his BUNGHOLE!!

  

147

I believe he was born in the US, but since he was adopted by Indonesian Dad, he very well could've applied to Occidental as an Indonesian citizen. And if he did, that would constitute a renunciation of his American citizenship since he was of age.

Posted by: TiredWench at August 06, 2010 02:45 PM (oPceJ)

Got any legal authority for that "renunciation" thing?

148 If you're going to defraud and lie, might as do it large.  LARGE.  KING FRAUDSTER MAO.

149 Did he make a boo boo today and say that congress had already passed the 26 billion when he was saying it was to keep teacher and fireman and police jobs cause municipalities are tapped out?

God knows why she is really calling them back.

150 And it will never influence your ability to get credit.  Better than half of credit files have been corrupted by bad SSNs at some point, I would bet.  Banks, etc. are used to it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:47 PM (5aa4z)

It never has, I have a high credit score on my real number. I don't know what it is on the mistake.

151 >>>Well, if you're going to act as if you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide, people are going to start thinking you're suppressing basic background information because you have something major to hide.<<< BINGO I want every shred of his past revealed, not just his birth. And not just to damage him. He's the President and yet we know almost nothing about him. That's deeply concerning. And to anyone who thinks this is a waste of time or hurts our agenda remember this - every time some fact from Obama's past surfaces it's always damaging. Or at the very least something for Glenn Beck to put on his chalkboard. We wouldn't have ever known how deep Obama's ties to Ayers were until we dug into his past. We wouldn't know his entire maternal family were committing numerous acts of social security fraud without digging into his past. Let's keep digging. Should it be goal #1 and take top billing during the election season? Of course not. But we can multi-task. And with the active campaign to hide his past Obama clearly has something really dark deep in his past. So drill baby drill.

152
You remember the macaca thing, of course.

Well, the media had no trouble at all finding a bunch of George Allen's old schoolmates who hated him.

153 Posted by: Farmer Joe at August 06, 2010 02:46 PM

And don't forget all those Black History and Minority Culture courses!

Not to mention the Islamic Studies classes....

154 Speaking of SSNs, I adopted my two daughters through the Department of Human Services by way of an involuntary termination of parental rights because bios were doper scum.  Bio mom used her own less than one year old daughter's SSN to get credit so she could watch cable TV and enjoy other of life's pleasures.  We had to go down and get new SSNs for our daughters.

155 Damn you Pat Caddell you keep stealing my posts!

156

Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:27 PM (5aa4z)

Well, it's Obama saying he was born in Kenya. Has to be doctored.

157 #114

Its going to be pretty hard to find any documentary evidence of what he did during that time, and more likely than not any individuals he spent time with then aren't likely to have much to say about him.

I remember hearing somewhere that Obama's college roommates were Pakistani Musims, but I don't know if that's true, or more birtherism-type nonsense, and even if it is true, I don't think it means much in and of itself.

158 We have to get to the bottom of this issue.  The future if the Republic hangs in the balance.

There is only one man who has the mad skillz to discover the truth about President Toonces .

That man is Basil Marceaux, Double Naught Spy.

159 Why are they closing the public beach for MO?   God, they treat her like a queen in europe.....the real queen must be so jealous.

160 The hiding of the actual substance of Obama's background is a key part of how, "I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." Both for and against him.

161 I am his father.

162 The problem I have is that several clearly-stated reports have alleged that Hawaii allows people to obtain a COLB despite being foreign-born, merely on the word of the parents.  Or, at least, it did back in 1961.  No left-winger has refuted that assertion, as far as I know. 

Now, if this loophole is true, that's not evidence that Obama was foreign-born.  It does show, however, that the COLB he produced on his website is not conclusive. 

163
Obama worked briefly for a legal firm.

Yet he managed to not be involved in any legal cases?

164 t never has, I have a high credit score on my real number. I don't know what it is on the mistake.

I'd find out.  If it's good, you can rape American Express and Bank of America like a Viking nailing a Druid nun.  They deserve it.

165 I've speculated elsewhere that his college grades were likely mediocre, and that the biggest reason his transcripts are being withheld from the public view is because they contains all sorts of "basket weaving" courses, or other questionable fluff.

Would love to read his thesis, if he had to write one.

Anyone remember if Bill Clinton released stuff like that?  I remember Wellesley made Hillary's thesis unavailable until after he left office, and I remember GWB's undergraduate grades were better than John F'n Kerry's...but I don't remember if anyone went to Yale to look up at GWB's graduate work.  Certainly if they would have found anything as poorly-written as Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis, it would have been all over the MFM...

166 How is it possible the none of his college associates have come forward?

Did I miss any of this, but it seems there should be dozens of classmates, fellow debate club members, Rotary club associates, team members from crew and lacrosse, etc. coming forward to at least say they remember sitting behind him in class.

As young as he is they should all be still around.

167 if Obama is so freakin' brillant, can we at least see his college transcripts... or does that make me a "birther"?

168 Why are they closing the public beach for MO?

They're worried people may try to push her back in.

169

Admit it, Neocons, you just hate him because he's half-black. It has nothing to do with him being an awful, arrogant, destructive motherfucker.

Hey, at least his 'wife'/'beard' sucks.

170 Obama worked briefly for a legal firm.

Yet he managed to not be involved in any legal cases?

He worked for the Harvard Law Review and managed not to publish anything.

171

it's just like the episode of Doctor Who when the Master hypnotizes England and becomes Prime Minister and only one journalist notices that his entire background is false and he never went to Cambridge or even existed until eighteen months before. On the bright side, all we need to do is sabotage Obama's Paradox Machine and victory is ours!

Okay, that was geeky, I apologize.

172 Okay I've just got done spraying myself with my new flame attractant. Let's give it a try.

I think something bad/embarrassing is indicated on BHO long form BC.
Quite possibly, birthing conditions that leave room for birth outside the US. (Non hospital) but no outright proof of the same.

I think it is possible BHO was born outside the US.

And I don't care.

*ducks*

Why?

Two reasons, practical political remedy to the problem is just not possible right now, no matter how much interest I might have.

This is just one of the 1,255,745,235,747 ways that the Dems violate the Constitution, and frankly I've got bigger fish to fry than someone we can vote out in a little more than two years, whom if we forced out now would just swap crazy liberal with crazy stupid liberal.

It ain't worth the time, or the "political capital" that we could be using to restore real freedoms taken in the other 1,255,745,235,746 ways teh dems violate the Constitution.

173 Certain? he was born in the U.S. Count me with the 58%. *I* suspect he was born in Hawaii, and it probably says father unknown on his certificate. Or maybe its just his history of traveling illegally to Pakistan et al that needs to be kept secret. Its just one more indictment of the MarxSpewMedia that the story was not investigated and reported during the election. OTOH Hillary would not have been nearly as damaging to the commie infested DNC so perhaps in the very long run the MFM did the county a favor. If their negligence is exposed and their function as marxist propagandists is realized by a bigger percent of the population it will be a good thing.

174 I want every shred of his past revealed, not just his birth. And not just to damage him. He's the President and yet we know almost nothing about him. That's deeply concerning.

And to anyone who thinks this is a waste of time or hurts our agenda remember this - every time some fact from Obama's past surfaces it's always damaging.

Okay, let's see how this plays out.

We say he's a dangerous radical.  They yawn.  We keep it up.  They call us racists.  We get righteously indignant.  We have another Breitbart/Sherrod moment.

Now where in there is the call to roll back socialism?

175 Why are they closing the public beach for MO?

Shortage of brain bleach for the locals?

176 I'd find out.  If it's good, you can rape American Express and Bank of America like a Viking nailing a Druid nun.  They deserve it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:52 PM (5aa4z)

Ha! good point. That should only get me about 100 years in jail.

177

Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 02:27 PM (5aa4z)

Well, it's Obama saying he was born in Kenya. Has to be doctored.

Oh, I'm sure.  I posted it as a joke.  A review of the other stories on the site shows you what kind of bullshit is on there.  Alex Jones calls its content "questionable".

178 I think he should at least produce proof that he was born in the US, nothin' to hide and all that, but I'm not so much a birther as I am a college transcripter.  Let's see those grades, and let's get into exactly why he is touted as a 'constitutional scholar' without any evidence that he knows anything about the constitution that I see evidence of. 

179 He worked for the Harvard Law Review and managed not to publish anything.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at August 06, 2010 02:53 PM (z4es9)

He did write one lightweight article. So he's got that going for him.

180 He's mine.

181

Why would Obama hide anything.   He is SUPER DOOOPER SMART.

182
You can find one paper Obama wrote. I forget what stupid social issue it was about. Maybe abortion, I dunno.

183 Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 02:52 PM

I always got the impression Bar Associations did extensive background checks on those who apply for law licenses. Ditto for major law firms.

Oh, wait. This was in Chicago.

184

A navy officer who called a radio show in the dc area yesterday said that when she went to enroll her son in the local public school with Hawaii's "certificate of live birth" the school said it wasn't good enough and that they needed the actual birth certificate.

funny

185

I don't put a lot of faith in the Birther movement, not because there's nothing there perhaps (they may be on to something for all I know, and they do have a right to ask) but rather it is a bit late in the game for it to do any good (the only time possible info might become relevant now is in an impeachment trial -- then it could be very valuable).

 

Nonetheless, this playing coy with rather mundane information is childish, irresponsible, and dangerous on the part of the president -- a true leader would settle any such questions promptly so as to quiet any dissent on what should be a very trivial matter.  Same goes for his college transcripts.  If there is nothing there, then why the big secrecy game, and if there is nothing there wouldn't it be better to just sack up, show the info and be done with it?

It's like a little kid playing "I've got a secret", trying to stir up shit.

186 How nice of Spain to shut down the beach while The Wookie is visiting. Can you imagine how many cases of temporary blindness cases would show up in their emergency rooms if they got a look at that ass in a bathing suit.

It would break Spain's socialized medicine system.

187 Perhaps the drone attacks continue because he still has some surviving Columbia roommates. Hey, prove otherwise! That blank slate goes both ways.

188 Barry has proven himself to be a man of meager ability and the possessor of a modest and quite conventional liberal intellect.  And he's proven this in real-time over the last 564 days, when the rubber met the road.

RCP Avg  Right Track  33.5%  Wrong Track 61.5%

189 185 Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 02:52 PM

I always got the impression Bar Associations did extensive background checks on those who apply for law licenses. Ditto for major law firms.

Oh, wait. This was in Chicago.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 02:55 PM (Ulu3i)

I thought they only did criminal record's checks. Somebody please put me some effin' knowledge.

190 Hey all you wingnuts. The boy's momma is dead. Can't you all just leave the poor orphan alone....

191 #160  There is only one man who has the mad skillz to discover the truth about President Toonces .

That man is Basil Marceaux, Double Naught Spy.

Blasphemy. 

I can discover this truth about Toonces with one half of my brain and both my sacks of decadence tied behind my back. 

192 And I'm laughing my ass off that it's backfiring on him -- he deserves it.

193 You will stop asking this question!!!
you are getting sleepy.
when you awaken you will not remember this comment.

194 184
You can find one paper Obama wrote. I forget what stupid social issue it was about. Maybe abortion, I dunno.

Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 02:55 PM (uFokq)

I think it was on Quranic law about the rules concerning sodomizing male camels.

Love your hash, btw...

195

Jews are jews if the mother's a jew. Muslims are muslim if the father is a muslim. Assuming that his father was a muslim, then assuming it gave little comrade barak's religion on his birth certificate, wouldn't little Barry saying he was not a muslim be apostasy in the Muslim world?  Just askin' . Don't really care because I don't think he could be much worse, american or not.

196 But Intrade has "Obama born in the US" up by 20%. What? You thought I'd miss a poll thread? Suckas.

197

I thought they only did criminal record's checks. Somebody please put me some effin' knowledge.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego

You've got it backwards Jim.  They check to make sure you have a criminal record before you can be a practicing lawyer in Chicago,

198 #144

+1.

Obamas records will remain sealed unless and until he judges that there is some palpable political advantage to releasing them, period.

Since the birth-certificate issue in particular only aggravates mostly cranks on the extreme right, there is really no reason at all Obama needs to act on it.  Its to his advantage that these records stay sealed.

In terms of digging up stuff from Obama's past, it seems that the Fed has no problem hitting back, as recent convictions of individuals guilty of looking up Obama's student loan record prove.

I note, dryly, that the Feds seem to have no issue considering the deportation of CERTAIN illegal aliens convicted of crimes. . .they just don't want any help doing it from the State of Az.

199 #187  It's like a little kid playing "I've got a secret", trying to stir up shit.

Obama's whole Presidency is all about stirring up shit. 

200 Go to Google, type 'Obama' in the search engine, and the top suggestion that comes up is 'Obama birth certificate'.

201 He could be a mass murderer and if the press doesn't find out about it nobody does. assuming they would report it.

202

 team members from crew and lacrosse, etc.

Did Barry say he laxed? No fucking way. Laxing involves physical contact and unless he played girl's lax, I'm not buying it.

203

btw, welcome to Crazytown Ace, anyone who even mentions Obama's background is automatically a "birther".

a person's background has nothing to do with the kind of person they are now nor does it give any indictation how they may behave in the future...

and only racists think any different.

204 O/T: 

A black man accusing Sherrods of running farm in 70s with abysmal, slave-like conditions.  Shirls, after accusing Breitbart of wanting blacks to go back to the days of slavery, has some 'splaining to do. Veeeery interesting, my dear Watson.

Slave Labor Conditions at Sherrods' Farm?

As for Obama, I will apply my tinfoil hat and say this person is his daddy.

205 Barry has proven himself to be a man of meager ability and the possessor of the acuity of a sophomore Womyn's Studies major.

FIFY

206

Ace - you are creating a low pressure system with the about face on the birther matter from yesterday's about face conspiratorial talk.

You hit the nail on the head though in suggesting the secrecy aspect of a whole buffett table of secretive parcels surrounding this president. Secretive parcels that have been placed in the hermetically sealed box under Funk and Wagnall's porch (one of the best Johnny Carson lines along with the Slauson Cut-Off bit). 

Moving along here, most all background information on Mr. Obama's academics and his wife's have been removed from the public domain and sealed.  That is fact.

So the question becomes why?  And the issue as respects the birth certificate and its unusual components, thus become germane and the birther stuff is just following orbit of a larger question of propriety. 

207

Did Barry say he laxed? No fucking way. Laxing involves physical contact and unless he played girl's lax, I'm not buying it.

Posted by: dagny at August 06, 2010 03:02 PM (pSFPI)

Perhaps he's just ex-Lax

208

 team members from crew and lacrosse, etc.

Did Barry say he laxed? No fucking way. Laxing involves physical contact and unless he played girl's lax, I'm not buying it.

Posted by: dagny at August 06, 2010 03:02 PM (pSFPI)

damn you are gullible.

209 138 We do know he didn't play baseball for Occidental. Or golf.

Posted by: t-bird at August 06, 2010 02:47 PM (FcR7P)

Wait, I thought he was the designated switch-hitter on the baseball team.

210

voting for the guy with the black skin.  Next time, LOOK PAST THE DAMN SKIN COLOR!

Arab color? Because he ain't black. My half sicilian ancestry sons are darker than he is after lifeguarding all summer.

211 201 exactly

212 197

First of all, I believe that under Sharia law children can't be apostates.  So in fact, no, if Obama was raised as a Christian or became one as a child, then he's not an apostate.

Second, Islamic law specifies that its OK to conceal your religion or generally lie to infidels if there is some specific justification.

 Assuming Obama is a Muslim (which I don't believe) there would be plenty of obvious reasons why he'd want to hide it.

Libyan Leader Gadafi (among others) have publically posited this idea, that Obama is actually a "closeted" Muslim.  While Gadafi is a known nutcase, I bet this idea still does have some currency in the Arab world.
 

213

damn you are gullible.

I just figured that perhaps he had indicated a history of doing something beside smoking, getting high, and developing criminal friends and the media just agreed, nodding like tools.

214 The real problem with Barack's little "I got a secret" game is when someone serious decides to call him on it - and produces something he has to deny. E.g.: a foreign intelligence service or an organized crime syndicate produces (forges or real, doesn't matter) a perfect Pakistani immigration record, an Indonesian passport paperwork, a Cuban intel file of Weatherman associates in NYC, etc. Who is going to believe the President, or worse what will he give up to keep it buried (see Salamander Letters in SLC a couple of years ago)?

215

Obama is just another social engineering experiment that went all wrong.

Americans are so whimsical and wacky. If the 2008 election had been held on a Thursday, instead of on a Tuesday, Cynthia McKinney might be in the White House today. And if it had been held on on a Wednesday, who knows?

216 Let's look at the birth issue from another angle shall we? What proof do we have that Obama was born in Hawaii? Three things. #1 is the Certificate of Live Birth. #2 are the two newspaper Birth Announcements. #3 are testimony from Hawaiian government officials. So how solid is each piece of evidence? #1 As many have proven time and time again a Certificate of Live Birth is meaningless. People living on the islands can get one decades later with no proof of birth in the state. People have received them even though they were born in other countries. The Certificate of Live Birth is not evidence. #2 Birth Announcements in a newspaper requires a simple phone call. A phone call that can be placed from anywhere. Whether it was simply to announce the birth to friend's and relations in Hawaii or a ploy crafted by experienced identity fraud criminals to gain US Citizenship for their grandson it really doesn't matter. The Birth Announcements aren't evidence. #3 The Testimony of Hawaiian officals is certainly suspect. They are committed Democrats with an affinity for Obama. Not onyl that butthey have everything to gain and nothing to lose by concealing the truth. The Testimony of Hawaiian Officials is not evidence. So Obama has no solid evidence he was ever born in the United States of America. (cont)

217 When Obama was in the senate, he went to Russia with Lugar.  Obama was detained at customs, however, because something on his passport made the Russians think he was a spy.  Who knows what it was, but when Obama agreed with the Russians that it was not necessary for us to continue our defense projects in Poland, my first thought was that Russia had something on him.  Lots of his actions which the American people attribute to his having been raised as an "unamerican", could just as easily be attributed to someone having some information on him that he does not want to be made known.  Face it, a president being subjected to blackmail would be a very dangerous president.

218 42% is higher than His approval rating, so that proves the rest of you are kooks!

219 I'd like to see how many Americans honestly think he actually likes America. It'd be a good IQ test, anyway.

220
Rewind to 2008...

Here's a guy with no track-record in anything, claiming he can fix everything. Instead of the media asking, "Who is this guy?," they said, "Wow, who is this guy!"

221 #3 The Testimony of Hawaiian officals is certainly suspect. They are committed Democrats with an affinity for Obama. Not onyl that butthey have everything to gain and nothing to lose by concealing the truth. The Testimony of Hawaiian Officials is not evidence.

So Obama has no solid evidence he was ever born in the United States of America. (cont)

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 06, 2010 03:12 PM (WZFkG)

I thought the republican Governor said she saw the original bc and it was real and it was spectacular?

222 Anybody got the testimony of those Three Wise Men?  They were there!

223 There would be no birth issue if there were strict, explicit requirements for Presidential candidates to prove they are constitutionally qualified to be President before they get on the ballot.

This is another items that the so-called experts are wrong on. My State has a requirement that the Party submitted an individual for candidacy, or the individual him-herself, certify and show that they are eligible for the office being sought.  This must be accompanied by an oath and affirmation.

If our lax State has that, then I am sure that most of the other ones do too.

224

Obama was born a slave to the white man.  No records of his birth are available.

225

Let's see:

1. no pictures with girlfriends

2. no girlfriends ever coming forward

2. starts political career marries the wookie

So with what we factually know about Odumbass, does it lean towards him being gay or straight? Which choice would have hurt his political career? Is he the first President of the United States to have never had a girlfriend before he got married.  Hell, I had a girlfriend in elementary school and I could guarantee you that if I had become President she would have let people know.

 

226 The real solution to the birther issue will be ballot access in 2012. If a few key states tighten up their inspection requirements; and Barack fights back like a cornered cat or punts instead of producing the documents the issue will be settled.

227

I thought the republican Governor said she saw the original bc and it was real and it was spectacular?

I think she actually sent a staffer to the file. In any case, what's the problem with it. If it says muslim then that might have bothered the russians too.

228 No girlfriends and his chief of staff is a guy who seems to really enjoy hanging out in the men's shower room. Hmm...................

229 What a stupid cont.

230 Perhaps Cuchinelli in va, who is doing amazing work, could also add that little gem to the laws. Va will not place on the ballot any candidate who has not produced a  birth certificate.

231 I'm going with Obama being born in Hawaii, lived and traveled as a British subject, was a foreign exchance student in college, overstayed his visa until '87 when he became an American citizen under the amnesty.

232 (cont) Since we are left with nothing we have to start adding elements: #1 The State department mysteriously decided to destroy the passport records of Obama's Mother for the year he was born. #2 Obama's Mother and Maternal Grandparents are alleged to have a long and active history of identity fraud, including social security fraud. #3 Over the years there have been multiple conflicting statements regarding the location of Obama's birth. Even close relatives have said Obama was not born in Hawaii. #4 Obama's Mother was rumored to have had multiple lovers during the time of Obama's conception. So the identity of Obama's birth father has never been verified. #5 Both of Obama's parent's abandoned him at a young age to travel abroad to fight for the communist cause. A mother willing to abandoned her child is also willing to travel pregnant with him abroad. And these are just a few of the uncovered details surrounding Obama's birth. None of these details support Obama's alleged birth in Hawaii. As we draw conclusions from the available details we see a pattern of deception from Obama's maternal side and an eagerness to travel abroad to fight for communism.

233 So a minimum of 10% of the Obama voters voted for him even though they knew he might have been disqualified from being president if he were more ummm...transparent and open?

234 Obama's in control of this.  Refusing to release documents looks suspicious, and whips his critics into a frenzy, which then allows the White House to highlight the frenzy and paint his opponents as nutbars tilting at windmills. 

And all the Dems have to do is not release it.  Presto, an instant marginalization of the other side.  Zero cost for the communists, big return.

Should he release it, as a technical matter?  Sure.  But since there's no force on Earth that can compel him to, why should he?  He's the one profiting from the furor from his opponents.  Why end the controversy?

Posted by: nickless at August 06, 2010 02:48 PM (MMC8r)

At some point, he may lose control of this monster.  When 42% of the people don't see the notion as indisputably wacky, the strategy of painting Birthers as nutbars starts to lose its potency.  If it ever tops 50%, then by definition a majority will think it's not so nutty, and the idea will be officially mainstream.

235

My feelings are what Ace says.  For someone with nothing to hide, he sure acts like he has something to hide.  This makes people, myself included, interested in what he's hiding. 

I really want to see his academic records.  SAT, LSAT, undergrad, law school, hell, high school.  The needle on my Shock-Gauge wouldn't even wobble if he turned out to be a sub-2.0 student all his life.  Not that I don't want to see the birth certificate too.  Anything Obama wants to hide about himself is worth looking in to. 

236 Why doesn't he promise to release the records, and then just forget about it and let the MSM bury the whole story?  Worked for me.

237 Whatever his reason, he thinks its good that we talk about it. So I really don't care to help him.

But the whole blank slate for the rest of his life really kind of annoys me, it that the MFM didn't even care to ask, just took his fake book as fact, and yet wants to investigate by cavity search the Palin family.

and ps "Can anyone recommend me any good books on learning to knit?"

Unbunk!

238 I think the secret is he was born an ugly chick.

239 42 I saw one poll where I think 15% had said they had seen Elvis since Aug 1977.

Elvis Costello.

240 Obama is hiding sutff that makes him look bad. PERIOD.

241

 Minor v. Happersett – wherein the Supreme Court stated:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

Thus, by the Supreme Courts ruling, it can be argued that someone whose father was a British Commonwealth Citizen, and thus a dual citizen at birth, is NOT a Natural Born Citizen...

This is why he hides his real birth cert... and has fought all of the Birther court cases on the basis of standing.  He does not want THIS argument before a Court of Law.

242 the juicy stuff comes later.


LA Times tape and The Whitey Tape. I'm still holding out HOPE.

243 242 Obama is hiding sutff that makes him look bad. PERIOD.

Posted by: gus at August 06, 2010 03:33 PM (Vqruj)

Agreed. It's the only logicial explanation.

244 Put a smile on your pooch's face today. His goofy grin will take your mind off Obama.

245

It does not matter where he was born. He already got elected.  He is American as Bill Ayers.  (which means he is communist defecter just like Bill)  There are many communist country.  None of them the leftist will move too.  After all, this time the Reds think they will get this one right!

246
"So let's not let him do it. Realize that although he was born here, the reason he freaks people out is because he doesn't act like it."

The great Dorothy Rabinowitz made the same point much more emphatically in her essay "The Alien", which appeared in the WSJ:

http://tinyurl.com/25tdqyu

Money quote: "For it was clear from the first that this president—single-minded, ever-visible, confident in his program for a reformed America saved from darkness by his arrival—was wanting in certain qualities citizens have until now taken for granted in their presidents. Namely, a tone and presence that said: This is the Americans' leader, a man of them, for them, the nation's voice and champion."

247

Why are they closing the public beach for MO?   God, they treat her like a queen in europe.....the real queen must be so jealous.

Would you want to see her in a bathing suit?

248 Because everything about this man has been worse than I have suspected, I'm going with the worst of my suspicions. Gay? Check. Muslim? Check. Pinko? Check. Anti-American? Even better... Foreigner.

249 Don't care a fig about his birth certificate.  I wouldn't cry too hard about seeing his death certificate, though.

250 What about his time in Indonesia? His dad listed Barry as muslem in the Madrassa, and only citizens there can go to public school (at the time). Did he ever convert back? How did he travel to Pakistan when we were not allowed to as US citizens?

251 120 Olympic Gold Thread Fucking Winner

252 Not cool, 251

253 What H.M. said 251.

254 please, the story and questions have legs to stand on. it gets tiring to see 'birthers' passed off as weirdos and nutcases by everyone when none of their questions are really answered. nevermind that michael moores ludicrous claims were taken seriously, and that some news journalists thought bush blew up levees etc..heck there was even a 'loose change' movie made during the bush years and oh yea, rosie odonnell even claimed something was up with 9/11 on live TV...oh but the birthers are the loonies right?

horse shit.

the story has legs far more than those bozo's.

255 254 Not cool, 251

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

Seriously.  I mean, Joe Biden as President? 

hm...

Actually, that'd probably be pretty funny, except for the entire country suffering concussions from repeated facepalms. 

256 Didn't Ha'aretz or one of the Israeli papers publish an article saying that he was the son of Malcolm X? It even had one of those picture superimposing things to show the common facial features.

257

@95: "By the way, has anybody seen Kal Penn recently?"

Define "recently"....

258 As for Obama, I will apply my tinfoil hat and say this person is his daddy.

Damn. Eerie.

I'm still going to go with everyone's favorite Communist-who-brags-about-sex-with-teenage-girls, Frank Marshall Davis...just enough to crush the hearts and minds of all the people who bought his "son of an immigrant[sic]" schtick.

259 Whenever I criticize Obama here, my computer is flooded with tracking cookies.

260

The man may have head problems.  His dad ran off from him.  Then his mom ran off from him.  She went flip flopping all over the world.  But he ends with enough money for college, and then Ivy league after that?  Where did all the money come from?   Did he get a big lotto ticket, or what?

261 it's understandable why many right-wingers tremble at the thought of being labeled a tin-foiler, after all, we had to constantly fight off the hordes of conspiracy theorists during bush's run. christ's sakes there were even TV specials about some of them.

"was the bush family in good with the bin laden's?"

"what is the government trying to hide about 9/11?"

there are still dedicated groups out there no matter the piled evidence, that want to prosecute bush for war-crimes etc and the 9/11 "plot".

oh but hey, those birthers! how weird are they! they put up some hokey photos online of the supposed birth certificate that any 4th grader could have made and all of a sudden, shaky-ass right wingers were the first to shout "OKAY WELL THERE YA HAVE IT PEOPLE! HE'S 100% AMERICAN!"

retarded....

262

Arab color? Because he ain't black. My half sicilian ancestry sons are darker than he is after lifeguarding all summer.

Posted by: dagny at August 06, 2010 03:06 PM (pSFPI)

If you're comparing him against the actual color 'black,' then no one is black.  If you're talking about the ethnic group, then he is indeed half-black, if either Barack Obama Sr. or Frank Marshall Davis is his father.  As for the Arab thing, totally bogus.  This is BHO, Sr.  Does he look Arab to you?

The Arab meme got started when people went to look at Kenyan records regard BHOs family.  Kenyans have a tendency to conflate 'Arab' and 'Muslim,' since almost all Arabs there are Muslim.  But his great grandfather was a convert and very much  a black African.

Of course you may observe that BHO II looks nothing like the first BHO. And that's what he has been hiding, I assert.

BHO has so much invested in the image of himself as an Africa just a little bit better than the average black American (I understand the thinking very well, for reasons some of you know).  Having FMD as his father--or worse, some random unk black dude--makes him just another "mongrel."

263
The trouble with the born in Kenya theory is that there has never been a shred of evidence his mother even traveled there. None. Ever. It was all a surmise to explain his forged birth certificate -- which was then proven to NOT be forged, thus obviating the need for an explanation.

Still, he sure is a sketchy guy, with a shady background, and shadowy supporters.

What's on the long-form birth certificate that's so embarrassing? Who knows. Religion: Muslim or an unexpected name in the Father slot.

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2010 02:20 PM (Sssu2)

This is annoying. No matter how many news stories from prior to 2008 that I send you which claim Obama was born in Kenya, You keep wondering where people get the notion that he might have been born in Kenya! You further express disdain for the stupidity of people who might believe such a thing (such as Michelle Obama who is on TWO videos proclaiming her husband born in Kenya) without ever thinking it is you who might be mistaken.

I don't claim to know if he was born in Kenya, but I don't claim to know WHERE he was born. He's got an Official fake computer printout from Hawaii that proves nothing, so at this point the fools are the one's who say they know where he was born.

I've repeatedly offered to prove that you can't trust official state documents on their word alone, by showing you two contradictory birth certificates for me, an adopted person. You keep not wanting to see them.

When are you going to show a little intellectual honesty on this issue?

264 "He's got an Official fake computer printout from Hawaii that proves nothing"---diogenes


hahaha ive seen those, faked driver's licenses that illegals use are harder to spot.

right wingers are terrified of being labeled with the 'truthers' is all. alot of them feel that if they ask questions or are just a wee bit curious, it invalidates them.

absurd.

265

This is why, my unfortunate instincts toward authoritariansm aside, I need to run for political office.

I am totally open about my college drinking, partying, womanizing (and most of them say nice things about me years later), my utterly indistinguished military career, and admiration for hot strippers. I have the alcoholic porn-fiend vote SEWN UP!!!!!

Now fifteen minutes after I assumed the office of the Presidency, volunteers from Delta and DEVGRU would be sent out with undated Presidential pardons in their pockets and a target list each, but that wouldn't be so bad, would it?

266

Got any legal authority for that "renunciation" thing?

Legal authority? None other than my own, admittedly, cursory reading. From what I gather, the law is that, in the eyes of the American government, a parent can't renounce a minor child's American citizenship and that when the child turns of age they can either claim their American citizenship or renounce it. So, if Obama applied to college as a foreign student, that could constitute proof that he chose to retain his Indonesian citzenship instead.*

^{*assuming his parents got him Indonesian citizenship. I've read in a few places that he would've needed to be a citizen to attend school there, but haven't seen any proof of that assertion.}

267

I wish politicians handled the "birther" question more adeptly.

The next time some dick sucking jounalist tries to pin them down on it just say, "Well, look. I think he was born here, but I think a lot of what drives this is that so little is known about his background -- no college transcripts, no thesis, nothing published from the Harvard Law Review where he was editor."

"And so, people are bothered by that. All his known associates are all leftist radicals - Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Frank Marshall ... It leaves people wondering if something is being covered up. Here this guy is sitting in the White House jamming his agenda down our throats ... and he was never really vettted, so a lot of Americans are scratching their heads asking, 'Just who IS this guy?'"

 

 

 

268

So, what it boils down to is :

1. No one "knows" where he was born.  The percentage who say they don't believe he is a natural born citizen are really only saying they have seen no proof that he is.  The percentage that say he is a natural born citizen, are really saying they accept his word on it.

2.There is no authority for believing  anything from his two biographies-other than his word.  btw, Glenn Beck is no birther, but he finally read the book "Dreams of my Father" and was amazed to learn that the "dreams" were to install communism in whatever country he was from.  If your fathers dream was communism and you wanted to be president of the U.S., would you write about it?

 

3.There is and has been enough "strangeness" about him and what he says that almost 50% of Americans (so far) question his "history"

4.  Because of his behavior and policies, people now miss Bush, are forgiving Clinton and reassesing their opinions about Carter.

 

5.  The Russians saw his passport, he knows they saw it, and our relations with Russia-from the beginning of his administration-have been "reset'.

269 Warden@269,

Yes. That's effective.

Or, to put it more bluntly to "journalists," use the "some say" style and throw it right back in their faces: Some say Obama was Muslim and he's trying to hide that association. Some say he's hiding his past so that more direct links to communists cannot be ascertained. Some say he has a middling IQ with grades to prove it but that revelation would diminish the facade people in the press have created. And on and on...

As I understand the craft, journalists love the "some say" technique to plant seeds. No reason not to borrow their creation. Information wants to be free after all.

270 If Frank Marshall Davis turns out to be his father, can we call him Hussein?

271 264: That's BHO, Sr.? Was Barry adopted?

272 In view of the circumstances, this is such a silly discussion.

273 274 264: That's BHO, Sr.? Was Barry adopted?

Posted by: t-bird at August 06, 2010 04:51 PM (FcR7P)

Bolsters the father theory, doesn't it?

274 "In view of the circumstances, this is such a silly discussion."--C'mon people, get a grip


...not really.

275

My original take was that the BC was a trap. Get McCain etc to make demands for proof of citizenship, then pull the long form BC out to make him look like a dumb ass.

I don't buy the logic that if there was any proof of non-citizenship then the Clintons would have used it, and because they didn't use it, it  doesn't exist. Maybe BO had something on HC, so they made a deal to avoid mutually assured distruction. Or they made a deal on SoS and her campaign debt? Who knows?

Because of the numerous husbands and potential adoptions, how can we assume there is only one BC? Don't they get amended upon adoption?

My current take [speculation, and I mean speculation] is that the BC is the finger in the dike. Give in on that and that increases the demand for the rest of embargoed stuff. My guess is that those docs show that BO at some time renounced his citizenship or it was renounced for him.

Big deal? I don't know. But I do think it would be harder politically to explain renouncing citizenship than it would to explain a religious affiliation chosen by your parents when you are an infant. Renunciation creates a beautifully toxic narrative, thus the need to close it like a gulf coast gusher. Forget the BC but keep asking for the other stuff. Imply there is something to hide. Force an error.

 And for sake of argument, assume BO can't prove he is a NBC or there is conclusive evidence that he isn't a NBC. How in the hell do you untangle that mess now? Can we afford to put the country through that too. Its great to fantasize about an easy victory. But remember that is just one victory over one division. We still have about at ten year war to defeat the leftist army. We must choose the battles we have the best chance of winning at the lowest costs and the greatest comparative benefit. And we may have to take on battles that look lost from the beginning. I just don't think this is one of them. We don't have the luxury of putting credibility on the line for something we don't have or can't get the answer to.

276

My best comments ever just vanished into the ether when I just tried to post them.

Ace's retarded computer just deprived the world of reading my comments. Alas, alas.

277

Does it matter where he was born? I thought (perhaps mistakenly) that someone could be a natural-born citizen without having been born in the country. I was also under the impression that being born in this country doesn't guarantee citizenship because of the language used to specifically exclude Indians.

Besides, as a practical matter, isn't it too late to review the president's eligibity to become president? Assuming for now that Obama ought to be removed from office because he's not eligible to hold that office, what are the chances that he actually would be removed from office for this reason?

278 Isn't it enough that he is part of a devious criminal gang? A gang that is expert at pushing the limits of the law and hiding the actual graft and malfeasance while raking in huge wads of tax free cash at the expense of every working person in America?
They remind me of Tony Soprano in season four when they're ripping of HUD
and Chris asks him...
"What about your country?"
"My country? Fuck my country. They stole this money in the first place."

279 " And for sake of argument, assume BO can't prove he is a NBC or there is conclusive evidence that he isn't a NBC. How in the hell do you untangle that mess now? Can we afford to put the country through that too."---Mr. Barky

i know im nit-picking through your argument but this part here is a problem of the highest order to me. the questions have been asked over and over without any clear resolution to any of them besides some dubious copies of his supposed certificate. as more questions pile on and as more people run away from them it all just gets murkier. furthermore, lets say for example he is found out to be a foreigner at birth, what then? you can be assured that the throngs of leftists and democrats will pander for foreign-born presidents. 'historical' elections will take place for say a serbian man who thinks he has the will to lead us. this isnt a far fetched scenario by any stretch of the imagination. some in the media were clamoring for arnold shwarzenegger to make a run for the high office if you remember.

shit rolls down hill, sometimes too fast before it splatters on you.

280 Its great to fantasize about an easy victory.

I think it's wholly probable, and I wouldn't put it past the Dems to squeeze him through, test the system and start selling the presidency to aliens.

281
The whole birther thing is really about affirmative action.  I'll roll it up for you.

Obama is qualified to be President because he is Harvard Law, magna cum laude.

But he is magna cum laude only because he was President of Law Review.

He was President of Law Review only because he was elected in a fit of affirmative action by bunch of embryonic hyper liberal Harvard lawyers.

He was only able to be elected because he got on the Law Review via an affirmative action process that reserved a number of LR places for those who neither had to grade or write on.

He was only able to take advantage of that because he had been admitted to Harvard Law.

He was only admitted to Harvard law because of affirmative action and his Columbia pedigree.

He was only admitted to Columbia by virtue of affirmative action after two unremarkable years at Occidental, an essentially open admissions college.

Of course all that falls when Obama's Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law transcripts are released showing that he was always a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 SAT and a 48 LSAT.

Cue ... chirping crickets.

White America (a/k/a 80% of the electorate) -- even the fawning Gen X'er and Y'ers -- are going to say "Whoa" when they realize they are being asked to take an affirmative action flyer on the most powerful job in the world.  Axelrod knows this.  So, what to do?

Put Obama's entire history off limits for polite discussion, of course.

And what better way to do that than to slap down the "birther" card every time some biographical info is reqested.

Harvard grades?  Birther!
Columbia grade?  Birther!
Account of 1981 Pakistan trip? Birther!
Occidental financial records that undermine the born in a manger bio by showing Gramma was a wealthy Bank VP?  Birther.

See how well it works?

hesitate overBut, if Obama can frustrate all conversation about just how truly much he is a product of affirmative action (something ) equate every inconvenient fact of his early days ... let's say by making inquiry

282 FireHorse: "Besides, as a practical matter, isn't it too late to review the president's eligibity to become president? Assuming for now that Obama ought to be removed from office because he's not eligible to hold that office, what are the chances that he actually would be removed from office for this reason?"

Yes and zero. Practically, I hope at least truth will out for posterity. More acutely, it would be useful to exploit the current circumstance to a) have all the States forcefully insist that candidates publicly produce documentation from here forward, and b) have the Courts decide who has standing to challenge residency status. This nation seems rather lackadaisical on the matter.

283 ...not really.

Posted by: str8 outta at August 06, 2010 04:57 PM (m+HVS)

 

Gee, who can argue with that?

284 Gee, who can argue with that?"


----apparently not many. sad aint it?

285 When someone lies to you every day of their life, it's not crazy to not take their word for anything.  Just sayin'.

286 Mallamutt@288,

I appreciate the concern but, notwithstanding the forced solicitation of harassment funding from unions as per your example, I'm not convinced that box would be too cumbersome. Eligibility can already be challenged, but it seems to be the most supreme one, that for Presidency, which is uniquely sacrosanct.

If the requirements are clear and explicit and challenge given a cutoff point well in advance of an election, then abuse will be mitigated.

287 As the Hillbuzz boys have said: Obama keeps this alive because it allows him to say, "those crazy birtherers" when what he is really hiding is that the birth certificate says "Arab." That's why he needs the dismissive b/c it deflects.

288 In order to sign my son up for pee-wee football, I had to provide his report card, a physical and his original birth certificate with the state seal on it. Why demand less of the person who has the codes? Why all the cloak and dagger business with regard to his background?

289 291 He doesn't need this issue when he has the race card. He's hiding something.

290 Account of 1981 Pakistan trip? Birther!

But what's that got to do with birtherism? The one guy who saw Obama's passport was found shot in the head execution style in front of his church. His immediate supervisor John Brennan is Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism.

291

 

check out who the main lawyer was who was defending all challenges to the court  concerning the natural born citizen cases.  Kagen.

The upside is that now he has to find another attorney to guard him.

292

Probably about the same time you realize that your bad certificate does not equal ObamaÂ’s birth certificate is bad.

 

I mean, seriously, your argument is “well, my birth certificate was screwed up, so Obama’s could be.”

 

So, for the point of your argument, I will agree, public civil servant can make mistakes. Not a surprise. Bring some real proof ObamaÂ’s was screwed up (which you have previously admitted you canÂ’t) or drop it.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at August 06, 2010 04:40 PM (OWjjx)

I don't think you understand. Neither one has a single mistake on it. The point I'm trying to make is that my Official Certified state issued birth certificate contains a bunch of data which are not true.

The state is very much aware that the information on my birth certificate is false, and still they certify it as true. This is a routine procedure in the case of an adoption.

My point is, the state issued birth certificate cannot PROVE I was born here. The one that has the DOCTOR'S signature on it, CAN!

Now do you understand?

293 Mallamutt: "I guess I am just remembering the sage advice my father always gave meÂ….be careful what you wish forÂ….you might get it."

While true, the aforementioned scenario can go both ways which is, I guess, another point. But the idea that no one, according to the Courts so far, has given anyone standing for POTUS, seems absurd especially given the low requirement bar for the job.

294 "standing for challenging POTUS"

295 I think I'll go see if redstate.com has anything on this...

296 Surprise! Nothing.

297 As I said, now that Kagen is no longer in charge of deciding who has standing to challenge, the only hurdle to overcome is Holder. 

298 300 I think I'll go see if redstate.com has anything on this...

Your attempt to infiltrate RedState with birther thoughtcrimes has been logged and your IP banned, Teabagger.

299 96 I think the best way to handle this issue is for all the Republican candidates who are running for prez in 2012 to post images of their birth certs on their websites, and on the RNC's website, quietly and without comment.

If asked, the candidates can refer the questioner to the RNC, who should say, "We don't want there to be any confusion about whether any of our candidates are constitutionally qualified to hold this office." If pressed, they can say, "We have no comment about what the Democratic party does with respect to eligibility. You can form your own opinions about that."

Absosmurfly *perfect*.  So perfect there's no way the RNC will ever think to do it.  Any of y'all have contacts?

300 And, pursuant to a FOIA request for Stanley Dunham's passport records, the State department claims that all of her records from before 1968 were "lost".  Oops.  Seriously.  The Soetoros left to live in the biggest muslim nation in the world, and raise their retarded kid as a muslim, in 1967 ... right after Sukarno was uncermoniously tossed out.

301 And you will have 535 Republicans challenged every election.

ans 535 Democrats, actually the challenges will happen interparty in the primary cycle as candidates try to DQ each other.  Happens all of the time.

302 OK.  I'll cut the Gordian Knot.  The truth is.....Obama was adopted!

303

What I recall hearing during the election:

1) In Hawaii at that time, there was a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth.  Similar but subtly different documents.  I forget which is which, but in Hawaii at or around the time of the One's birth, anyone could get one of these documents, where ever you were born.  I suspect it was Certificate of Live Birth, as the intent was to state there was a live baby here.  The other document listed specific place of birth details, attending physician, etc.  The first is what Obama produced, and the second is what people ask to see.

Whatever was posted on his election website was identified as doctored (so to speak).  Fields didn't line up properly, some of the language used wasn't appropriate for that period of time, etc.

2) At the time, and at Stanley Ann's age, US Law did not automatically confer citizenship to children of US citizens born overseas.  Now it doesn't take someone looking into the future, a conspiracy, or even much brainpower to figure out that your child is better off with citizenship.  I would get the certificate of live birth stating a US birthplace document if my child were in that situation. 

Add to that only a couple of people claim to have seen it.  One is a governor of Hawaii, who while ostensibly of the opposition party, would have to face down all the coercion that the office of the presidency can bring to bear in order to deny a native son the office they were elected to.  Tough thing to do, eh?  The others are Democrats and supporters.

3) Obama traveled to Pakistan at a time when US citizens couldn't travel there.  How did he get around that?  Transcripts from the several colleges he attended would open the door to financial aid and other records that could shed light onto his citizenship claims.  Therefore, literally millions of dollars have been spent by Dear Leader to keep these records sealed tight.

I don't myself have an opinion on where he was born.  Odds are good it was Hawaii.  Like someone said above, trying so hard to hide something just looks like there's something to hide.  I heard a lot of statements and facts pointed out during the election without a positive and comprehensive explanation later.  So there are some unanswered questions.  Yeah, I know, just one or two.

Right now, it would be a major mess to force him out of office on this issue.  My problem is be having Dear Leader step down puts Biden in the Oval Office and McBotox a step away.  I would rather have Obama there right now.

304 296 That's pretty amazing, since another SCOTUS appointment was the dean of Harvard and also would have access to his files.

305 Was he born on earth? or some distant planet somewhere in the andormada galaxy

306 The truth is less sinister. It's well known the POTUS changed his name from Barry to Barrack when he was young and dumb. The why is about his orignial middle name. It's Manilow. Yep, his parents were big-time Copa Cabana nuts. Barry Manilow Obama couldn't be elected dogcatcher even if he eminated a delicious dog ass aroma. Controversy concluded.

307 But he's NOT suppressing information.  It's easily available.  You folks are just absolutely god damned retarded. 

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