1 What does it say that I feel better about the kid in the control tower than I do about you-know-who writing health care legislation?

2 I'm with you, flight control is a big deal and all.  But from everything I've heard, it sounds like the grownups were right there and all.  Best idea ever?  No.  OMG ELEVENTY?  Not so much.

Rush had it right, if it was a little girl whose Daddy took her into work, this would be an adorable human interest story.

3 Rush played the clip of the kid earlier.  He was saying something to the effect that the kid sounded more professional and qualified to be in that control tower than the jackass we currently have in the Oval Office.

4
We sure it isn't a cost-cutting measure by the FAA?

Seriously, though - it's nice you have a 'cute kid', but keep it the hell out of the tower.

5 Was it a little boy, or a girl?  Hard for me to tell.

6 I agree. Not the best idea, and the Dad should get some reprimand for bad judgement...but c'mon. It's obvious he just let his son say a few words (that he was told) into a microphone. Un-bunch your underwear, people.

7 Like, take off, okay?

8 I agree with that alexthechick said.

He was saying something to the effect that the kid sounded more professional and qualified to be in that control tower than the jackass we currently have in the Oval Office.

Heh, my dogs are more qualified than the jackass in the WH right now.

9 Oh sure.... It's all fun and games until someone crashes their airbus!

10 I don't think letting the kid say a few words is that big of a deal, it was never going to endanger anyone. The problem is it shows how idiotic these guys are to not realize the storm it would create. They know every word they say is recorded and that there are ATC nerds out there listening in. They had to know this would get out and that they would be killed for it.

I'd say fire them not for endangering anyone or even breaking rules but just for being idiots with zero common sense.

11 More capable and understandable than some controllers I have heard...

12 Rum,
I am glad YOUR mother wasn't in that tower!
Oh No's!

13 Rush played the clip of the kid earlier.  He was saying something to the effect that the kid sounded more professional and qualified to be in that control tower than the jackass we currently have in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2010 03:47 PM (UOM4

Well, the kid was closely supervised by a crack team of highly-trained, highly-qualified, very experienced professionals.  Who's Obama got?  Biden?  Axelrod?  Emanuel?  I mean, come on.

14

You're all fired.

 

 

(ok, I couldn't resist.. I keed, DiT)

15
The problem is it shows how idiotic these guys are to not realize the storm it would create.

Exactly.  The incredibly poor judgement about the consequences, or their inability to predict them, is really the issue here. 

16
It's all fun and games until someone crashes their airbus!

ATC's have nothing to do with those death-traps smacking into the dirt.

17 I'm pretty sure it was a boy by the voice.

Regardless, I'm so not offended. He gave the instructions clearly and adults were standing by to take over.

Great idea? Probably not. Others like Ed Morrissey who's afraid of flying would take offense. And it's probably a violation of regulations, albeit harmless in this case.

Still, repeat 10,000 times with 10,000 kids and I expect to see a negative result requiring an adult to step in tout de suite.

On another topic, I agree with the White House on this one:
http://tinyurl.com/TheAQ7

I'm not saying these lawyers were the best, or even good, picks. I know nothing about them. But to rhetorically call someone a member of Al Qaeda, in essence, because they did their duty as a lawyer and represented a client's interests is a bit much.

Or are we now going to call lawyers murderers, child rapists, and parking bylaw violators based on what their clients have done?

18 I am glad YOUR mother wasn't in that tower!
Oh No's!

LOL! If she had been there would be planes strewn all around the runways!

19 This is a big deal. 

20 it's nice you have a 'cute kid', but keep it the hell out of the tower.

Yeah.  Even if it's a daughter.

Also keep them out of operating theaters, smelters, slaughterhouses, and basic training.  ("OK, Timmy, hold this forceps while I make the incision..."  "Oh, so cute!")

21 Oh and as for Sully Sullenberger...I guess working was getting in the way of all that 'rock star sex' he's getting from his wife. There's no doubt the man knows how to prioritize.

22 #20  Also, keep them out of The Wookie's garden, for cryin' out loud. 

23 Agree x2 with alexthechick

The "control" the kid was providing (obviously coached by the real controllers) was hardly going to put anyone in danger of AIRLINE-CRASH-HUNDREDS-DEAD-NEWS-AT-ELEVEN.

I hate our nanny culture.

24

>>  There's no doubt the man knows how to prioritize.

A good pilot know when to call it on fatigue.

 

God bless im.

25 I'm not saying these lawyers were the best, or even good, picks. I know nothing about them. But to rhetorically call someone a member of Al Qaeda, in essence, because they did their duty as a lawyer and represented a client's interests is a bit much.

Or are we now going to call lawyers murderers, child rapists, and parking bylaw violators based on what their clients have done?

Posted by: Christoph at March 03, 2010 03:57 PM (0fq7b)

Was it in fact their duty? What law required them to seek out these terrorists and represent them? Were they court appointed?

26 Another thing to keep in mind...the kid gave very basic instructions that the pilot knew was coming, very basic stuff (take off, contact departure, etc). The real stuff like the "position and hold" instruction and the take off with with the wind numbers, the controller gave himself. The guy was showing some judgment about letting the kid do it and not just fucking around.

Again, absolutely zero danger but at the same time absolutely zero forethought.

27
Epic Amtrak Man
Took out the whole frakkin' AC bus!

^{..was his "really cute" son driving?}

28 When we lived in Chicagoland, there was a really funny guy on the radio, Kevin Matthews.  He was "reminiscing" one day about how you used to sit in the airport lounge and smoke and get liquored up with the pilots before a flight.  An exaggeration, of course, but still....

29 How many of you got to steer the car while sitting in your parents lap when you were a kid?

30 wherestherum, hell, we didn't have seatbelts when I was little.  I remember lying in the back window and Dad slamming of the brakes in traffic and getting thrown halfway through the car.  Did we whine and cry?  Hell, no.  Moved from that to standing up on the front seat. 

31 lol, Jane, my parents have the same kind of memories. Sliding across the seats at turns and flying forward at stops. And they still managed to live to adulthood!

32 Preface: my wife works in ATC, and ATC facilities are really cool and fun places to sit back and watch.

As noted before, the grownups were in charge, and the kid gave clearly-stated, correct orders that a grownup clearly told him to do. The pilots obviously loved it and no harm was done.

And in today's hyper-sensitized media world, people lost their fucking minds over it. Someone will likely be wink-wink suspended over it because now the sups have to step in and act like they're doing something, and it was poor forethought from an ATC crew that might have (God forbid) been having a good time at work that day- extremely uncommon in a lot of towers.

Probably won't happen again, and now we're going to have a whole bunch of new regulations dumped on the ATC crews because of it. Typical FAA spasmodic reaction.

33
We got back up in the rear window to get thrown again!
Dad would pretend and yell that the brakes failed and would stop just short of an intersection. We screamed with delight!

34 "What law required them to seek out these terrorists and represent them? Were they court appointed?"

So when suddenly did you become a socialist and believe that only if the government orders a private citizen to take a piece of work, for money, that they should do so?

People have a right to representation and the American courts can judge whether they do or don't have jurisdiction, or whether a military tribunal is appropriate, etc., etc.

Then the people involved can be executed or imprisoned or indefinitely detained as an enemy combatant.

But a lawyer representing such a person does not automatically become a traitor and a member of that person's terrorist organization, and subsequently ineligible to work for the Department of Justice.

It was an overwrought, ridiculous attack, and serves to discredit conservatives in the eyes of people who are inclined to support them. It was mostly the title, "The Al-Qaeda 7".

That's ridiculous.

If one wanted to post an ad saying where are the DoJ's priorities, etc., fine. But to call these lawyers Al-Qaeda members without proof is nuts.

35 This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this. I'm not interested in the chicken.

36

Capt Oveur:  Joey, have you ever been in a control tower before?

 Joey:  No, sir, I've never been at an airport before.

Capt Oveur:  You ever see a grown man naked?

37

I'd say fire them not for endangering anyone or even breaking rules but just for being idiots with zero common sense.

My brother just enlisted in the Marines. This reminds me of part of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" explanation his recruiter gave him.

Recruiter: If you had sex with a man, would you tell anyone about it?

Brother: No.

Recruiter: OK, now if you had sex with two women, would you tell anyone about that?

Brother: Hell yes I would.

Recruiter: No, you would not as you would be participating in a homosexual act (the two women) and could be charged with violating DADT. Now, someone would really have to have it in for you, but this just happened last year and what cemented it for the guy was the pictures he took. So, bottom line, if you have sex with two women do not take pictures.

38 But to rhetorically call someone a member of Al Qaeda, in essence, because they did their duty as a lawyer and represented a client's interests is a bit much.

Posted by: Christoph at March 03, 2010 03:57 PM (0fq7b)

It wasn't their duty until they voluntarily sought to represent those particular clients. Pro bono.

Guantanamo: Boumediene v. Bush

39

Hey Christoph, did you want a DoJ lawyers AlQ post?

 

This isn't it.

 

Sorry.

40 So, bottom line, if you have sex with two women do not take pictures.

So much for pics or it didn't happen!

Seriously, though, how nanny stated are we that no one is allowed common sense judgment anymore? Everything is zero tolerance and as we see in schools, that works so well.

41 I got no problem with this. The kid was just repeating what his dad told him to say, so yeah, no problem.

42 Christoph, I have no problem with lawyers doing lawyerly things.

My beef is with the DoJ refusing to disclose who those political appointees are.

43 Rush did mention a Russian commerical pilot who let his kid take the controls (I don't know when this was or any particulars) and the kid turned the aircraft so severely that the pilot couldn't recover and the plane went down. 

44 ATC's have nothing to do with those death-traps smacking into the dirt.

Exactly.  All those rumors that I was out there shooting a laser into the pilot's eyes are scurrilous lies. 

Or are we now going to call lawyers murderers, child rapists, and parking bylaw violators

Hell, that's still a step up.

45 It is a travesty the someone will be likely fired or reprimanded for this.  Our society has been ruined by litigious ass hats and the pursuit of 100% safe.

46

Hey Rum, have you started working on your southern accent yet?

There is no more of a mindscrambling "WTF?" moment than hearing an Asian woman with a southern accent.

47 The Dad didn't go on a smoke break while the kid was on the mic. If the pilots in the air facing the most risk find this amusing and cute to the point of laughter it is no big deal. It's shame people were suspended for this.

48

I'd say fire them not for endangering anyone or even breaking rules but just for being idiots with zero common sense.

Bingo; if they'll do this kind of crap, what other kind of crap will they do next.

49 Ghost of Lee Atwater, you don't want to hear my Southern accent. I don't have enough exposure to any of them to make it sound real. I can say "y'all" all right, but otherwise I sound awful. My British accent is better. (So I can claim I'm from Hong Kong in case things go to shit while I'm overseas.)

50 JetBlue 171, it's a trap! The call is coming from inside the tower! I saw what you did last summer! I am your father! Also, a ghost! And a transvestite!

51 The Russian accident with the kid at the controls

52

There is no more of a mindscrambling "WTF?" moment than hearing an Asian woman with a southern accent.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 03, 2010 04:25 PM (sXLx/)

The Hawaiian comic Andy Bumatai does a great bit about visiting friends in Little Rock.  "Hey there, Andy, Ah was gonna git myself an ass-cold Coca-Cola and then Ah set to wonderin' if you might want to drink an ass-cold Coca-Cola too, so Ah'm here to ask if yew would like me to git you an ass-cold Coca Cola to drink?"

53 So, bottom line, if you have sex with two women do not take pictures.

So much for pics or it didn't happen!

Seriously, though, how nanny stated are we that no one is allowed common sense judgment anymore? Everything is zero tolerance and as we see in schools, that works so well.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:20 PM (gofDd)

In this case, "pics or it didn't happen" is exactly the thing that protects the soldier from DADT.

54 In this case, "pics or it didn't happen" is exactly the thing that protects the soldier from DADT.

Well, especially now with sexting and everyone's nudie pictures ending up on the Internet at some point, you'd think taking pictures would be a "no shit, sherlock" thing and not take them.

55

No different than some washed up star saying 'Gentlemen, start your engines' every year at the Indy 500. If a computer can give us directions every day (press uno for espanich), a kid can certainly give a simple direction. Lighten up.

56 Come on, it's just making jets take off, not rocket science.

57

In related news....

Obama pulls the levers of government without a clue as to the possible damage

 

58

Coca-Cola

I think you meant "Co-Cola". Also, for the record:

coke = any soft drink

For example:

#1: "Hey, you want a coke?"

#2: "Yeah, get me a Sprite."

59 Good thing it wasn't "Bring Your Pet To Work Day."

60 Eh, whatever. Slaps on the wrist all around, but nothing to get the panties in a bunch over.

61 Seriously, as long as an air traffic controller was sitting behind him paying attention and telling him what to say and the pilot was informed of what was going on, who cares!

I've put junior Marines on the hook with an F-18 and coached them through calling in an air strike during training. The Marine is basically repeating what I tell him to say and I'm right behind him the whole time ready to jump in if something goes wrong.

62 I don't know, a black dude with a Scottish accent is pretty damn double-take worthy.

63

I have a feeling the kid is smart, mature, and if raised right will probably make something impressive of himself someday.

I just hope this stunt doesn't get his dad fired.

64 I got a kid and took him to work wid me...I own a bar.  SO WHAT!!!..the kid's been fetchin' me beers since he was 4...that little 10 year old bastard sets up one mean boilermaker.

65 Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?

66 36 I figured it had to make it comment. LOL

67 Let's take stock. He seemed clear, professional, concise, friendly and helpful. This child should be shot and never allowed to perform a government job. We simply can't have that sort of behavior among 'civil' servants.

Back to waiting in the DMV.

68 the kid's at least as qualified to be an air traffic controller, as Pres'Ent Toonces is to be president.

69

 

Hey Christoph, did you want a DoJ lawyers AlQ post?

 

This isn't it.

 

Sorry.

 

 

 

Ah, Dave, I didn't realize this was the "taking pictures of oneself during sex with 2 girls, -- good or bad?" post.

 

 

 

My mistake.

70

Posted by: SGT Dan at March 03, 2010 05:22 PM (GgXZc)

Hear, hear to that.

I say don't fire the dad, put a letter in his file saying don't do it again, and move onward.

71

Hey Rum, have you started working on your southern accent yet?

There is no more of a mindscrambling "WTF?" moment than hearing an Asian woman with a southern accent.

No lie.  I have a buddy in South Carolina who's a Chinese graduate of Alabama.  He's as redneck as they come.  There's nothing like going into a meat and three in SC with a Chinese redneck.

72 Rut roh.  Just up on Fox:  The air controller and his supervisor on "leave" for letting the controller's son and another kid on the air.  Apparently, no children, or family members are allowed in the control tower.  Olympia Snow wants congressional hearings.  Give me a damned break.

73 They just said on Fox that someone is calling for Congressional Hearings. How much more crazy can you get with this kind of shit?

74 What's the big deal?    It's not like hundreds of lives were potentially at stake.




There was a Russian commercial pilot several years ago let his kid into the cockpit and let him fly the plane.  They crashed and all aboard were killed.  They only found out what had happened because of the voice recorders in the cockpit.

75 BTW-- The Flight Control room is also a secured environment and no-one who is unauthorized is allowed in.  A kid can only be allowed in with prior written permission from the FAA.

And this is the busiest air control center in the U.S.

And 40-50% of air crashes involve distracted controllers who make a mistake.

So this is actually a very big f*king deal....no matte how cute the kids sounds.

76 And all of you who think it is no big deal clearly have never (and likely will never) breed.

When a kid is around you CANNOT concentrate correctly on what you are supposed to be doing....


The "Morons" label has never been so apt.

77 I don't think letting the kid say a few words is that big of a deal, it was never going to endanger anyone.

Having the kid in the tower was illegal and endangered people.   Flight controllers need to have their full concentration on what they are doing.....

Plus, if they break these rules, what other rules will they break?

The controller and the supervisor should be fired.

78 Technically this is no different than having a "newbie" on his first day as a controller.  The supervisor or trainer is there with the ability to override his microphone if he does something that would endanger safety.  And this was simply a frequency change, which is mostly a non-event, since most experienced pilots know when and where they are going to get it.  Also, there are times when a controller might be too busy to tell you to switch, so you simply change over on your own.  It's more important to be talking to departure once you're out of the airport traffic area, anyway.

A behind the scenes admonishment, and let it go.  A congressional hearing?  Waste of time and money.

79 Hey, remember that LA light rail conductor in 2008 who was texting "transpotter" kids,  missed s signal and crashed?

Yeah, he was breaking rules, but he did it for the kids...and he wasn't endangering anyone.....

Except the 25 people who died.

80 Technically this is no different than having a "newbie" on his first day as a controller.  The supervisor or trainer is there with the ability to override his microphone if he does something that would endanger safety.

You clearly don't have kids, don't know kids and, given that controllers are gorwn=ups have many months of training BEFORE even entering the tower, it is hardly equivalent.

That you think so da hawk suggest that if you are doing more in your current job than manning a fryer, then you have over-acheived

81

>> Ah, Dave, I didn't realize this was the "taking pictures of oneself during sex with 2 girls, -- good or bad?" post.

Yeah. Shut up asshole.  You know what I said.

82 @Kasper Hauser:  Wow, did I strike a nerve or something?

Actually, I do have kids.  Three beautiful and smart high school daughters.  I also know kids, having been a volunteer coach for the past ten years.  I am also currently an airline pilot and have been flying for over 30 years.  I know from experience everything I posted in my last comment.  It is not unusual for a new or even not so new guy to make a mistake on the job, and to be overridden by someone in charge of him.  That is a fact, my friend. 

And judging by your response to my post, you have some serious issues.

83

da hawk, three daughters?  Oh my, we need to talk..

 

I have two, all growed up, 19 and 23 this moment, but the next few months will advance that.

 

They are my joy, and kindness in this world.

84 What airline do you fly for?  I'd like to avoid it.  I'd rather have a pilot that understood the importance of rules and procedures and protocols when large numbers of human lives are on the line.  I'd rather not have someone who feels comfortable cutting corners in order to amuse his kids.


I know all captains can't be like Sully, but I don't believe you are really a pilot.   I know several pilots and not of them are so cavalier or unprofessional about the safety of their passengers.

I also don't believe you  have daughters because I don't believe you are any older than 19.

I do agree about the Congressional hearings......  That is stupid.  Fire them and be done with it.

85 This is the non-est non-issue ever. The only thing the kid did differently from regular JFK ATC is that he didn't speak so fast that you had to ask for a slow repeat.

86 All the Russian kid did differently was accidentally disengage the autopilot sending the jet to the ground in and uncontrolled dive killing everyone on board.  He was also under the control of a seasoned adult who could override him if necessary.

I was in a plane that was backed into a fuel tanker just last year because the person directing the ground crew was momentarily distracted. Although the tanker was pretty badly crushed, no fuels spilled,,,,but I don't want to go through it again.

87 @dave in texas:

It's funny, because people ask me all the time what it's like having three girls, and I tell them I couldn't imagine not having them.  What part of Texas are you from, because I fly occasionally from DFW.  Love Texas, although I live in California.  Went to basic training there in 1976.  The thing I got the biggest kick out of was when a fellow pilot and I went to the big Bass Pro Outlet in Grapevine and they had all of the guns AND the ammo laid out in the aisles.  So different here, where they don't store guns and ammo within 70 miles of each other!

My girls are 17 (soon to be 1 , 16 (soon to be 17) and 15 (just turned). 

88

@Kasper

I'm working on getting my ATP right now and I have to back up da hawk 100%.

The controller's attention was on directing traffic, and then had his kid give the most meaningless radio calls of all "Contact Departure," "Cleared for takeoff." Calls the pilots were expecting. At a busy airport i'm hanging over the Mic waiting for my callsign and "cleared for takeoff" Radio calls in the ATC environment are more about choreography than communication. We pilots just wait to hear the magic words, regardless of who said them.

No one was in danger. 

89 87 All the Russian kid did differently was accidentally disengage the autopilot sending the jet to the ground in and uncontrolled dive killing everyone on board.  He was also under the control of a seasoned adult who could override him if necessary.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser 

If the kid accidentally disengaged the autopilot then he wasn't under the control of anyone. My dad used to let me sit in his lap and hold the control yolk when I was a tike. No, it's not good policy but it provided some sweet memories and helped inspire a lifelong love of flying. 

Yes, you have your mind right and yes, you are stating what needs to be stated, that said, that kid might grow up to be one hell of an Air traffic controller.

90 89 Radio calls in the ATC environment are more about choreography than communication. 

Posted by: cashin 

Honestly friend, you may want to rethink that. You may one day act on what you were expecting to hear (because that's the way the routine is usually "choreographed") rather than what you heard.

91 Kasper, Kasper, Kasper.

Calm down, my man.  I can assure you that I am a very disciplined and professional pilot.  11 years of military flying instilled that initially, and that has carried over into my commercial flying as well.  When I fly, I try to make it as safe and comfortable for my passengers by being smooth with the controls and staying ahead of the airplane.  It also manifests itself in my driving, e.g., I always wear my seat belt no matter what distance I'm driving and I use my turn signals even when it's 3 a.m. and nobody else is on the road.  There's an old saying that goes "there are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.  What that means is that one doesn't become an old pilot by cutting corners or being careless.  I fly with the knowledge that not only are my passengers' lives on the line, but mine as well.  I don't have a death wish, and I want to live to be a grandfather to my three girls (who are very real, indeed). 

Now, comparing putting a child in the seat of a jet that is airborne to that of letting a child say the words that you are going to be saying anyway is the ultimate stretch.  You'll notice that none of the pilots involved were upset to hear his voice telling them to switch frequencies, and I doubt there would be any that would.  It's a frequency change instruction that we already know is coming...that's why they call it a Standard Instrument Departure (SID)...the departure is flown the same way every time, although the controller can amend it as necessary for a specific flight or situation as need be.

92

@Hidden Imam

I whole heartedly agree. I'm just trying to make a point. I mean am I wrong about this whole ordeal being choreographed? It's a constant dance getting planes in and out, you seem to know much about the ATC system you probably know all about it. It's just about waiting for which way ATC will "lead" you.

Jetblue is waiting for a takeoff clearance, they get a takeoff clearance, it just happens to be from the controller's kid and not the controller. No lives were in danger at all, as you said, most "non-est non-issue ever."

93 @Hidden Imam

That's a good point, and one that we train to avoid.  That's the main reason we read back all instructions from ATC, so as to avoid any misunderstanding. 

94

da hawk, I am 20 minutes east of Ft. Hood.

 

Buy you a beer anytime, and give you whatever know about daughters.

95 The aircraft he spoke with were fully aware of what was happening.  The pilots were pre-briefed.  His dad was right there and it was all pre scripted and supervised.

Fucking nanny state douchebags.

This is bullshit arm-waving omg-teh-apocalypse-is-near fugraggery.

Lighten the fuck up.

96 You'll notice that none of the pilots involved were upset to hear his voice telling them to switch frequencies, THAT's BECAUSE WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE ONES WHO DIED!!!!! (Hey, I've had my evening wine.......Still think you're wrong, but at this point I'm quoting "Airplane".... "They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into.....I say..Let 'em crash!"

97 @dave

Thanks for the offer.  I might be back in Dallas the end of April.  I'll keep you posted.

@kasper

No hard feelings, my friend.  One last point:  if you read the transcript of the boy's communications, this is what he said:  "Jet Blue 171 contact departure."  You'll notice that he didn't give a specific frequency.  That's because we all already know what the frequency is.  We have it set before we even take off.  And you can hear the father in the background coaching him...he is definitely not distracted.  I would have a bigger problem with this if he were there by himself, or if he were giving heading corrections or clearance to land.  You couldn't get more mundane than a switch to departure call.  Have a good night.  Seriously.

98

I have fam in Dallas.  Ain't no big to run up there

 

gooberintexas AT gmail etc

99 kasper sounds like a rino!!

100 Well...it rhymes with rino....

101 I'm not condoning it. Flight traffic control falls into that category of "kind of a big deal". I think the adults were watching, and all that. Not a good idea for "take my kid to work day", still I'm not inclined to throw a shit fit either. I disagree...it is a big deal, especially if it's a crowded sector. Bad things happen when you let kids mess around with the operation of planes, either as ATC or pilot: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

102 Having the kid in the tower was illegal and endangered people. Flight controllers need to have their full concentration on what they are doing..... I wanted to expand on that...this isn't some podunk tower in bum-fuck Iowa, you know, this is J. F'ing K. The BUSIEST tower in the United States. This is airspace that serves THREE major airports within a ten-mile radius, not to mention several smaller ports (Teterboro). TRACON ATCs here make $100,000 a year, burn out faster than any other. Watch "Pushing Tin", which has it's basis on real events at NY TRACON to see what they have to deal with. There should be no fucking unauthorised person EVER in the tower! I'm sorry to disagree with some people here on this, but when an ATC has to squeeze 20-30 departures in a hour, through a narrow departure coridor, which also crosses paths with SIDs from EWR and LaGuardia...I shudder to think what would happen if there is a slight miscommunication...

103 This is just one of the good jobs saved or created by this administration.

104 I know all captains can't be like Sully, but I don't believe you are really a pilot. I know several pilots and not of them are so cavalier or unprofessional about the safety of their passengers. I'm not a pilot either (except a Sim Pilot), but even I know that the NY corridor is some of the most crowded airspace around. As I said above, THREE MAJOR AIRPORTS in this Class B space...and the weather conditions can turn the routine into a nightmare in a blink. It's happened many times before here. Especially on Canarsie approaches.

105 And here's what can happen when you think it's a light load day: http://gothamist.com/2009/08/28/ntsb_controller_should_have_warned.php

106 that's why they call it a Standard Instrument Departure (SID) I imagine pilots out of JFK often have their SIDs changed due to traffic and weather conditions.

107 The kid was doing the ATC equivalent of waving goodbye to the plane from the window. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

108 It is a lot less of a big deal now that I'm drunk...

109 It is a lot less of a big deal now that I'm drunk... Cool, maybe you can go do some ATC-ing then...you know, just make sure you have a sober buddy looking over your shoulder.

110 I think this was all a test to see whether life was worth living anymore.

Probably better to have not known.

I once flew a plane in Mexico with no license, when I was 12. Clearly the ENTIRE POPULATION of Mexico is lucky to be alive.

Yeah, ATC is serious business, but I want to see some evidence that the situation was in fact out of control other than third parties being scared of children.

There was one correction of a mistake made in that audio, and it wasn't the kid that made the mistake.

111 I'm a private pilot and work as a flight dispatcher for a major airline.  I agree that this has probably been overblown and there's no evidence of any danger to air traffic, but this is an idea better suited for a podunk airport than JFK.  Knowing how to fuel flights going into New York airspace is already tough enough for dispatchers because of the frequency of unexpected holds without bringing kids into the equation.

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