January 03, 2010
— Ace At least people are speculating about a Brown win.
I don't get the sense this is truly competitive -- yet -- but it could happen. And Brown would be a crucial 41st vote against cloture.
This is still a Hail Mary. But sometimes that's the right play to call.
By the way, John McCain just endorsed him. I know, I know -- don't bother saying it. But the guy needs high-profile endorsements.
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Posted by: Stillwater at January 03, 2010 09:19 AM (qUdDE)
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 09:21 AM (qF8q3)
If Brown can win in Massachussetts that would be a sure sign of impending disaster for the Democrats over the next two years. I will donate some money to his campaign to try and speed that up.
Posted by: Blazer at January 03, 2010 09:23 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2010 09:24 AM (9Wv2j)
Where the heck is Romney on this? Isn't this his state?
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 01:21 PM (qF8q3)
Whats Romney gonna say? "Yea, I support small government even though pushed disastrous Commiecare in my own state ?" Romney doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Posted by: Blazer at January 03, 2010 09:25 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Stillwater at January 03, 2010 09:27 AM (qUdDE)
Whats Romney gonna say? "Yea, I support small government even though pushed disastrous Commiecare in my own state ?" Romney doesn't have a leg to stand on.
He'd be talking to a state full of liberals. He can lie his tail off and be more popular than ever.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 09:28 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 09:31 AM (kwNGE)
He'd be talking to a state full of liberals. He can lie his tail off and be more popular than ever.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 01:28 PM (qF8q3)
True that. However that ain't gonna fly nationwide. The Dems will hand him his ass if the next election boils down to health care. Hell, anyone from the GOP in a primary against him will hand him his ass.
Posted by: Blazer at January 03, 2010 09:31 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: jcp at January 03, 2010 09:33 AM (DHNp4)
Meh...expecting the Massachusetts-ians...er, Massachusetts-ites?..Massachusetts-ers?
...anyway..expecting the idiots who live in Masaachusetts to replace Ted Kennedy..to them the God of Socialist Medicine...with somemone who would scuttle the Senate bill is bordering on insanity
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 03, 2010 09:34 AM (AnTyA)
The mob is stoopid. He'll just say the dems won't let the Rs repeal it, but he is uniquely qualified to fix it.
Rinse and repeat. The proles are hopeless.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 03, 2010 09:34 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Peaches at January 03, 2010 09:34 AM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: MAJHAM@GTMO at January 03, 2010 09:36 AM (k9sLf)
Posted by: Blazer at January 03, 2010 01:23 PM (t72+4)
If a middle of the road conservative can win Ted Kennedy's seat we might be looking at a bigger realignment in 2010 then we saw in 1994. If Brown wins or even comes close it truly is time to dump the RINOs, because conservatives can win anywhere.
The Democrats ran to the right of the Republicans on spending and taxes in 2008 - they figured the public would go back to watching Big Brother after the election because that's what happened in the past. Perhaps trying to take people's health care plans away was a bridge too far. It is something that is hard to ignore after all..
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2010 09:44 AM (bgcml)
Holy shit, I've been saying this for a couple of months now. Believe. BELIEVE! I'm here in MA... with my ear to the ground... people are still looking for that hopey-changey thing. Everyone who understand what's in the bill is against it strongly, and those who don't, are against it on general principle.
This could happen.
Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2010 09:46 AM (FjC5u)
...anyway..expecting the idiots who live in Masaachusetts to replace Ted Kennedy..to them the God of Socialist Medicine...with somemone who would scuttle the Senate bill is bordering on insanity
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 03, 2010 01:34 PM (AnTyA)
Actually, it is an interesting question. Since it is an oddly timed election, and likely to be cold and icy, will Coakley's special interests be able to get enough people to the polls? I would have to guess likely Brown voters are PO enough to make it to the polls.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2010 09:47 AM (bgcml)
Posted by: sandbagger at January 03, 2010 09:49 AM (yJozS)
True that. However that ain't gonna fly nationwide. The Dems will hand him his ass if the next election boils down to health care. Hell, anyone from the GOP in a primary against him will hand him his ass.
The point being, Romney could help Brown over the next couple of weeks considering it's his state. Who cares about nationally? Mitt's been there, done that, got the Big L on his forehead. He's more of a cabinet type anyway.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 09:50 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 09:50 AM (kwNGE)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 09:53 AM (kwNGE)
He got my $$$ a month ago. I was just going to blow it on booze anyway.
I would beg, steal, borrow for any Dem convert vote. Let's sex up the GOP a bit. This could do it. Granted the pic is old. And? Your point??
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 03, 2010 09:54 AM (IciIk)
Posted by: chaos at January 03, 2010 09:55 AM (mFUln)
everyone is energized. Milk carton Martha has been sleeping at the switch. We could stop Obamacare. please donate at the site or go to the site and sign up to make calls from the comfort of your home via the internet.
Posted by: Ricki at January 03, 2010 09:57 AM (xHKos)
Posted by: Blazer at January 03, 2010 01:23 PM (t72+4)
I can see Moe Lane's headline right now:
DOOM!
Posted by: MrMaryk at January 03, 2010 09:58 AM (1Mn8Z)
Posted by: Fresh Air at January 03, 2010 09:59 AM (r86+t)
The only smart and good thing for Mitt to do is sit down and STFU.
Well, maybe that's why he's not visible, although in that state full of stupid people -- not to mention the crack whores -- would they even know Romney did anything with govt. health care is...and would they even care? The Republicans would care, but they'll vote for the R with or without an endorsement. It's the liberals you're trying to get and Romney might help in that regard. He wouldn't help with the standard tea party types who are fronting this movement but you're talking Massachusetts; "conservatism" in their minds would be akin to getting a tax break on your late-term abortion.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 10:02 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: Fresh Air at January 03, 2010 01:59 PM
Probably not a good idea in the People's Republic. From a politics standpoint, McCain is probably as close to wingnut as you want to go there.
Posted by: MrMaryk at January 03, 2010 10:02 AM (1Mn8Z)
With two weeks to go the thugs will invade Taxachusetts and start stuffing the ballot box, just to be sure...But don't plan on anything less than a ten point win for ANYONE with a "D" beside their name.
Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island - One big, happy block of far left wing liberals.
Posted by: Dell at January 03, 2010 10:04 AM (PFMmF)
If John McCain had acted during the campaign the way he's acted since Obamer took office, he'd be President.
Nah, Amnesty and Gang of 14 would have still kept him out at the least. I'm sure Maverick's thrilled to have the spotlight back for the time being.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 10:06 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 03, 2010 10:09 AM (Fd5yK)
If a third of registered Democrats come out, independents break 2/3 for Brown, and every single Republican in the state comes out to vote, then Brown loses by a thousand votes or so. That is a steep hill to climb.
I've got my fingers crossed, but I don't think a Republican can win in MA.
Posted by: Britt at January 03, 2010 10:10 AM (DcWbe)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 10:12 AM (kwNGE)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 10:16 AM (kwNGE)
In Massachusetts you will find an odd mixture of political loyalties.
I remember in the 90s that Kennedy was behind in the polls to a Republican until the last few weeks of the election, then Ted pulled out his slime machine.
Posted by: barbelle at January 03, 2010 10:16 AM (qF8q3)
Also, Mitt Romney has endorsed Brown and has been soliciting contributions & volunteers for him from his former campaign's email list.
And I agree that a solid-blue state like MA is one of the few places on the planet where a McCain endorsement might help.
The best thing Scott's got going for him right now, though, is that the Libertarian candidate's name is Joe Kennedy. There are just enough ideological illiterates & personality cultists in MA who will see only the name Kennedy & mark the box for him, that it could give Coakley night terrors on election eve.
Posted by: leilani at January 03, 2010 10:25 AM (MI7Jw)
Posted by: GarandFan at January 03, 2010 10:29 AM (ZQBnQ)
Meh...expecting the Massachusetts-ians...er, Massachusetts-ites?..Massachusetts-ers?
...anyway..expecting the idiots who live in Masaachusetts to replace Ted Kennedy..to them the God of Socialist Medicine...with somemone who would scuttle the Senate bill is bordering on insanity
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 03, 2010 01:34 PM (AnTyA)
I'm from Maine. I believe the correct term is "Massholes"
Posted by: TBinSTL at January 03, 2010 10:32 AM (W3Atx)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 03, 2010 10:32 AM (Fd5yK)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 03, 2010 10:35 AM (Fd5yK)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 10:45 AM (kwNGE)
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at January 03, 2010 10:45 AM (gGwcT)
Posted by: Just Another Cat at January 03, 2010 10:52 AM (LSa1B)
Posted by: mark c at January 03, 2010 10:57 AM (SBIko)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2010 11:01 AM (kwNGE)
Posted by: paleRider at January 03, 2010 11:04 AM (rSvmM)
I was thinking the same thing. No wife just the daughters. Seeing how only dems are allowed to divorce or drown girls in Massachusetts.
Apparently Ayla was in the top 13 of American Idol.
Posted by: Long Island at January 03, 2010 11:06 AM (TiURi)
Hi all. What makes people think that Brown would vote against Obamacare in it's present form (or at least the one without a Government Plan). On his website he says:
"I believe that all Americans deserve health care coverage, but that we shouldn't have to create a new government insurance program to provide it. I support strengthening the existing private market system. In Massachusetts, I support the 2006 healthcare law that expanded coverage, but I believe the Deval Patrick administration must do more to contain the costs of the Commonwealth Care subsidy program" (under the heading of Health Care in the Issues tab)
From what I understand the Mass health plan is in a real mess right now and the problems are far greater then cost containment (for which you could reasonably assume rationing of health care in many forms would be on the table).
Just to be sure, I don't know this fellow and he could make a great Senator but it would be nice to ask how he would vote on the health care bill if it didn't have a public option.
Posted by: scr_north at January 03, 2010 11:16 AM (4Xbk0)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:23 AM (Hv1Cx)
It's not a slam-dunk, but it could happen. Especially since there's a third-party candidate named -- wait for it -- Joseph Kennedy. The crack-whores, drunks, and Southie voters will instinctively push for him after 70 years of Skinnerian conditioning.
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 03, 2010 11:25 AM (GQhsP)
Posted by: Stillwater at January 03, 2010 01:27 PM (qUdDE)
+1
I know this usually starts an arguement, since partisan GOPers don't want to lose the opportunity to pick up maximun seats now and blunt the Leftists agenda. That's a noble goal, but for those of us who have voted almost exclusively Republican only because the democrat is invariably worse, giving to the candidate of our choice is the best option available.
How many times in the last 10 years has the "party" picked the candidate they thought could win, even if that candidate were moderate or a RINO? Leaving the conservative/libertarian types to hold their nose while voting. Not anymore...That is truly the beauty of the Tea Party movement. All these new activists don't want to be pigeon-holed by a party that demands loyalty and money, but only gives lip service to their agenda.
IMHO, Conservative independents, libertarians, and Tea Partiers should only give money to candidates directly. It sends a message to the GOP that money and votes are not to be taken for granted (See Hoffman-NY23). If you don't think that the squishes that run the RNC are capable of understanding that otherwise clear message, do like I did....send them a voided check with a letter explaining that the check represents money they will NOT be getting as long as they continue to foist unacceptable candidates on the electorate.
then hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, if all else fails.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 03, 2010 11:27 AM (Poe30)
In fact, Barney Frank, could you please go on the news and endorse Coakley--it would help Brown markedly.
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:28 AM (Hv1Cx)
yes, please also donate on Jan. 11th, that is supposed to be a "money bomb" date
as for Palin supporting it, I absolutely support Sarah, BUT these are still people infected with the fringe media's lies when it comes to Sarah. Mccain's endorsement is better.
As for Coakley, the main reason dems are pissed at her is that she in the primaries said she would not support any deathcare bill with abortion rights restrictions. As soon as she got the nomination, she changed her mind. This will cause a lot of lunatic liberals to be pissed off enough to stay home.
And in MA, there are lots of indies, I travel there for my business often, they are socially liberal, but relatively conservative when it comes to other issues. And Deval Patril (Obama version 1.0) is VERY unpopular there.
I plan to donate a good amt to scott brown's camp. I wish I could phone bank for the man, but I would probably start yelling at liberal idiots. So I will just donate money instead.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at January 03, 2010 11:32 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: DanO at January 03, 2010 11:36 AM (6tSsl)
I have called Brown's campign to ask him if he is elected would be oppose the Senate bill, and I was told yes. I have called twice and so have some of my friends. I have only one reason to donate to this man, his NO vote to deathcare, cap-n-tax, amnesty to illegals.
I would encourage everyone before they donate to call and confirm that he will OPPOSE this DeathCare bill! This I think is the main reason he is getting so much money from grassroots support.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at January 03, 2010 11:36 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:38 AM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: toby928 at January 03, 2010 11:40 AM (PD1tk)
Posted by: cathy at January 03, 2010 11:40 AM (zXidE)
Palin would bring in massive money for him, but she's still rehabilitating herself.
Posted by: Iblis at January 03, 2010 11:43 AM (UQCPr)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:43 AM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:46 AM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: DanO at January 03, 2010 11:47 AM (6tSsl)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 11:56 AM (Hv1Cx)
I will agree with #73. Sarah has still 3 years, and she is within striking distance, and will do extrememly well in getting independents and conservative dims like my former self..
However with respect to Brown, if Sarah endorses Brown, it will get Coakley more votes. Unfortunately, people are still tainted and infected with the fringe media's lies. A Mccain endorsement is much better for Mass. Sarah should not endorse this candidate outwardly. If her websites wish to push him and raise money for him, that;s fine. But Sarah needs to stay away from this one. And I say this as a very big supporter of Sarah Palin.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at January 03, 2010 12:00 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 12:04 PM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 12:06 PM (Hv1Cx)
#76 maybe, but the "average MSM-brainwashed" viewer is no longer trusting the fringe-media. I mean if you think about it, what happens when you realise you have been lied to? you not only no longer trust that source, you question everything you had been fed up until that point.
I will use me as an example, I have been a democrat close to 30 years, the only republican I ever voted for, prior to Palin, was Ronald Reagan. I see the same qualities in Sarah that I did in Reagan. And I was not just a democrat, I was a LOYAL democrat, I voted for Howard Dean, and then Kerry!!! (I'm very sorry)
I did not realise how much the media lies until I saw my then candidate Hillary Clinton being lied about, a coordinated effort by all media to bring her down, and then I saw it turn even more vicisious against Sarah Palin.
Its like Tiger Wood's story, people are not just disgusted with him, they are disgusted with the fringe media, b/c they know that the fringe media lied to them and covered up for Tiger woods. And when it comes to Obama, with the internet, you can get your news completely UNfiltered to make up your own mind.
Sarah has plenty of time, but the koolaid detox has to be done slowly to be effective, and it will happen, no matter how much the fringe media will spike the koolaid with hopium.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at January 03, 2010 12:11 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Windsor at January 03, 2010 12:19 PM (rPAan)
It's not as if all former CBS Evening News viewers have switched to Fox News Channel, or even the other cable news outfits. People just arent getting news and/or, they are getting their "news" from various entertainment shows. And these are not conservative-friendly shows. Today's media-created lies and distortions are not going to disappear very quickly, if at all.
Gee, if I had a blog, I'd expand on this....
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 12:26 PM (Hv1Cx)
http://tinyurl.com/yh9mfyp
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 12:32 PM (Hv1Cx)
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Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 03:43 PM (Hv1Cx)
In fairness I use a fairly elastic definition. Romney doesn't bother me much since he is from MA...but L Graham? He needs to go. And if Brown does well, there is no need to run the likes of Crist...
There is a place for moderates in the Republic party of course, real moderates. But people who just water down the liberal agenda a bit? Not so much. Oh, and we need solid conservatives in the leadership positions. I think this has been one of our weak points during the Bush years...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2010 01:13 PM (bgcml)
...People just arent getting news and/or, they are getting their "news" from various entertainment shows...
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 04:26 PM
So true. Snark and bash on conservatives is simply built into their dialog, subtle or not, and so the masses are programmed even if they're not interested in participating in politics. One of my siblings is the poster child for the success of this method.
Posted by: Stillwater at January 03, 2010 01:52 PM (qUdDE)
We have 16 days left before this election takes place. This will be the only general election in the country (that I'm aware of) for a national office between now and November.
The conservatives base is absolutely frothing for a fight. Independent voters are disgusted with the status quo. And the Democrats are discouraged.
WE NEED TO BUILD MOMENTUM FOR BROWN ASAP!
I don't like the "meh" attitude about this race I'm getting from Ace and Jim Geraghty. I certainly understand it: You don't want to pull out all the stops and get everyone's expectations up for a race that our candidate could very well lose by 20 points.
That being said, I say: SCREW IT! If we lose by double digits, so fucking what? It's MASSACHUSETTS, for fuck's sake. No one will be busting our balls about a GOP loss in Massachusetts for more than a couple days. It will be almost completely forgotten by Groundhog Day.
Do we want to kill the 0bamaCare bill? Yes. Is winning this race one way to do it? Yes. SO WHY AREN'T WE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO WIN THIS RACE???
Does anyone here doubt that the left-wingers on the blogosphere would be doing everything in their power to get a Democrat elected in a similar situation? Of course they would. So why aren't we? Are the leftists simply tougher than us? More committed?
Should we just shrug and cede a potentially winnable race simply because we are concerned about losing???
What I would like to see is a post (or two!) every day between now and January 19th about how Brown is closing the gap, Brown has the momentum, Coakley committed another gaffe, Coakley's supporters are lacking enthusiasm for their candidate, etc. etc. etc.
And not just on this blog. On all the big-name conservative blogs.
If we do that, it will quickly become a meme. The leftists will start pissing in their panties. FOX News and conservative talk radio will pick it up. The MSM will be forced to report on it. And the undecided/swing voters of Massachusetts will begin to believe that it's possible that Brown could win, which could very well become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Let's do it, gang. And if we lose anyway, so what? At least it gives us some experience heading into November.
Posted by: RJ at January 03, 2010 01:53 PM (ADbI4)
If that were true, Rudy wouldn't have been NYC mayor.
I am sure there are plenty of pissed-off registered Dems in Massachusetts. Think of the HillBuzz folks - they're not conservative, you know. They got pissed off in 2008, but plenty more Dems got pissed off last year. I don't see any of those folks getting any happier over the next couple years.
Posted by: meep at January 03, 2010 02:12 PM (Jw4eT)
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Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2010 02:33 PM (Hv1Cx)
Posted by: madamex at January 03, 2010 02:34 PM (7Inkh)
Lots of leftists don't like 0bamaCare. Lots of leftists live in Massachusetts. A Brown victory could possibly derail 0bamaCare.
Perhaps - just perhaps - we could convince some leftist activists to support Brown as a way to sink 0bamaCare (which is, from their POV, just a hidden, but massive, bailout of e-e-e-evil insurance companies).
Just a thought.
Posted by: RJ at January 03, 2010 02:52 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Ricki at January 03, 2010 02:59 PM (xHKos)
Coakley reminds me of some man's first frigid bitch wife who wouldn't have sex with him so he dumped her.
Posted by: Ricki at January 03, 2010 03:13 PM (xHKos)
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Posted by: SnallTownGirl at January 04, 2010 02:43 AM (9B/Df)
Scott Brown is ahead by 4% points at this writing. I sent him money all the way from California twice. He has a good chance. Other races to look to are Rand Paul in Kentucky, And vote that jerk Harry Reid out of Nevada. Vote for Judge Roy Moore in Alabama for those of you who are in those states. And let us not forget "bug-eyed" Pelosi. She has got to go. What a slap in the face to the American tax payers, her flying her big fat--------a home to California, San Francisco to be exact to the tune of $60,000 each week and that doesn't even count the crew. It comes to over $5 million a year of hard wage earners in this country. They all need to drop off the face of this earth before they destroy this great country called America. Go Scott Brown, you are picking up a good momentum right now. You have a great chance.
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A 'hail Mary' is always the right play, when that's all ya got.
If the Dems lose this one, or even come close to losing, it also means they will have hemorrhaged millions more votes nationwide.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at January 03, 2010 09:18 AM (F09Uo)