1 Crist should endorse Rubio and be done with it.

2 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties.

3 Orange-Americans hardest hit.

4 Does FL have a runoff system?

5 2 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties. Posted by: tim at April 19, 2010 11:12 AM (Sxt4Z) Would Meeks step aside for him?

6 Can I get three posts in a row?

7 I hate to sound like a dunce, but if Rubio is so far ahead of Crist in the polls, how can they be almost dead even if Crist were running as an independent?

8 The mature adult responsible and classy thing to do would be to endorse Rubio and prepare for a run against Bill Nelson in 2012. Of course, no one expects Crist to do this.

9

7 I hate to sound like a dunce, but if Rubio is so far ahead of Crist in the polls, how can they be almost dead even if Crist were running as an independent?

They're assuming that Crist would get a lot more indie and Dem support if he was no longer considered a Republican.  I think that's bs too, but we'll see.

10

Fox news is saying he might be switching parties.

How awesome would it be if he switched parties and got his ass handed to him by the Dem candidate as well?

11 Saw something here over the weekend about Crist's big money guys threatening to bolt if he goes independent, but I can't recall wher... HEY, DONUTS!!

12 Sure seems like an independent run to me.  He lost his campaign chairman and many of his big donors have backed out since his education bill veto, so he has to save money for the general election.

this gives us another chance to say "nice endorsement rnc" with the appropriate snark.

13

Crist's options:

1. Step out gracefully, try to rebuild his image, run against Nelson in 2012.

2. He pulled the ads because they were ineffective, or is retooling the campaign (I doubt this one).

3. Inde bid. No sense running attack ads on Rubio this far out from November if this is his plan.

My guess is he hasn't decided between 1 and 3. He is a Career politician, option 1 is a difficult road to work. A statistical tie is good odds whn you have a big ego, are in full panic mode, and are feeling abandoned by about everybody.

Expect the Independent announcement by weeks end.

14 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties.

Great idea.  Magnificent strategy.

15 Who knows with that guy? (Crist, I mean).  Unfortunately, it looks like it would be very much in character for him to throw a hissyfit and run as an independent, if only to screw up the election.  If he does this, his career's probably in terminal condition.  Spoilers tend to be distrusted all around.  Ask President Nelson Rockefeller, or rather dig him up and ask him how well his sandbagging of Barry Goldwater helped him get the nomination in 1968.

16 Of course, three-way races tend to go bonkers, making the outcome hard to predict. (Think Scozzawhatever fiasco.)

Yeah, but the indy almost never wins.  Lieberman managed it, but in CT, the R was a doofus and the D was unlikeable.  Rubio's cuddly if to the right of some indies.  Perot didn't win.  We don't remember the guy that made the Franken/Coleman race 3-way, and the D won in NY-23.

17 2 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties teams.

Posted by: tim at April 19, 2010 11:12 AM (Sxt4Z)

FIFY. IYKWIMAITYD

18 Smelly sock off.

19

 "He'd be Arlen Specter, except without a party."

 

 

Heheh!  That's funneh.

 

Cornyn?  Cornyn?  (in my best Ben Stein voice)

20 Crist should endorse Rubio and be done with it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 19, 2010 11:10 AM (mHQ7T)

A-freaking-men!

The Quinnipiac poll showing Crist in a tie with Rubio in a 3-way-race is bogus. Rassmussen asked likely voters the same question a few weeks ago and showed Rubio handing both Meek and Crist their asses. And Rubio's support among R's and I's has only grown since then. 

Either way this race goes, Crist needs to be shown the door. He's shown himself to be an opportunist with his finger in the political winds. We don't need any more of that.

21

17 2 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties teams.

 

Agent Orange will be leading a stealth campaign

22

Yeah, but the indy almost never wins.  Lieberman managed it, but in CT, the R was a doofus and the D was unlikeable. 

Hey they liked me!!  Didn't you see my Mentos ad with all my friends from Kos?  It's hard to find friends like that although they seem to have forgotten my phone number lately.....

23 I really don't believe that poll. I think if he ran as an independent he would get less than 5% and be gone from politics for good.

But, it is good that he is dropping out since that will save Rubio some money forthe general.

24 The Quinnipiac poll showing Crist in a tie with Rubio in a 3-way-race is bogus.

FIFY.  Save it as a macro.

25

I heard that excessive waxing turns your skin a sickly orange color as nasty side affect.

26 Didn't these guys ever learn the discretion is the better part of valor? He could endorse Rubio, then spend 2 years fundraising and building a solid base/image for a run in 2012. It's a win-win situation: he avoids humiliation and gets a better chance at it in 2 years. It's not an eternity away.

27

Switching Parties?

That would be sweet-

Then we could beat him in the General fair and square. Be fun watching all the Dems REALLYnot show up to vote- this could be potential suicide for their down ticket races. Crist was/is a heck of a lot more conservative than Specter, even if he does piss us off. I don't see him lighting up the Florida Democratic base. 

28
Huh.  Crist isn't accepting calls from Cornyn.  Helluva job at the NSRC, John.

29

I've been following Quinnipeac Polls for a couple of years and they are always scewed dem. Usually by several points. I would assume that in oversampled dems christ would do better as he would grab some dems and with no repubs to offsett that sampled in the poll he does better.

Crist would be better off dropping out and running for nelsons seat in 2012.

30

First, the Quinnipiac poll is an outlier.  Rasmussen has Crist finishing dead last in a three-way race, with Rubio well in front of both Crist and Meek.

To answer the question about runoff: No, FL doesn't have a runoff, based on everything I've heard here.

Finally, Crist would be better served fighting Bill Nelson in 2012.  Nelson sucks, no one likes him, he's B.O.'s lapdog with a 38% approval rating, and with 2012 being a prez election year, turnout will be high to vote the highly unpopular prez out of office...and Nelson will be a casualty.

31 24 The Quinnipiac poll showing Crist in a tie with Rubio in a 3-way-race is bogus.

FIFY.  Save it as a macro.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2010 11:36 AM (Vo2Ef)

Yeah, I know. I forget where I am sometimes. So used to having to explain this stuff to actual morons instead of AOSHQ Morons.

32

One more thing: FL law says that Crist would have to have his app in to the state no later than April 30.  So he's got just under two weeks to decide to do this.

He can't pull a Lieberman and wait out the primary, then turn Indie.  It's now or never.

33

Nah nah na na na..............do you think it was the photo of OrangeMan with Obama that sealed the deal?  If so, photos need to be found of any & all squishy conservatives who were dumb enough to have their photo taken with Obama.

Although the best photo of a politician with Obama has to be that one of the mayor of Tampa (?) where Obama is bowing to her.  That photo will be a plus for that woman when she's up for reelection.

34 Screw this. Charlie and I are doing "Dancing With the Stars."

35 5 2 Fox news is saying he might be switching parties.
Posted by: tim at April 19, 2010 11:12 AM (Sxt4Z)

Would Meeks step aside for him?       Heh!  Arlen Spector switched parties with the promise that the Dems wouldn't run anyone against him in the primary.  Then Joe Seastak put the kaybosh on that despite Teh Bamster trying to buy Joe off.  Spector recently talked about jumping ahead of other Dems for leadership positions in a couple of committees (saying Harry Reid had promised him)--all before he and Harry win their next elections.  There's got to be moonbat Demtards that must be incensed with people like Spector (and Crist if he switches) who are basically opportunistic parasites, not party faithfuls.

36 He'll be running as an Independent because he's an arsehole.

OT:  We are the government and you're not.  Hilarious!

37

Huggy's ego is too big to bow out.

He's going Indie.

38 Stand up, Chuck! Oh, what am I sayin'? God love ya'!

39 I don't think he will as he would have to be industrial grade stupid to do that.........................

wait, hum well......

40 The smart thing for him to do here would not be an Independent bid.  While the MSM is pushing hard for this to happen I think everyone, Crist included, realizes that the most likely case in that scenario is the worthless Democrat wins.

And while Crist might be tempted out of ego to try it, I think somewhere at least he has to realize that even on the off chance he wins that most independents don't have long lived political careers after leaving their original party. 

41 Hotline says he's going independent. http://goo.gl/rJZf

42 He's going Indie.

He'll get his hide tanned from orange to burnt sepia. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Too bad he's not smart enough to run against Nelson in 2012.

43

Smart?  I don't think Crist is particularly smart.  Or, I should say, he's way more ambitious than he is smart. 

My guess is, he does go independent.

44 Yeah, Crist has pretty much ruined his brand down here in FL. He started off all nice and conservative-looking and -sounding, but he quickly turned against conservatism. He even went so far as to endorse the adoption of Kaleeforneea's emission standards down here. Why, no one seems to know. But if he believes in the disproven theory of AGW, then he obviously cannot think for himself and is therefore unfit for any office.

45 I'll bet he goes indy. What's this useless piece of shit gonna do without politics? Practice divorce law?

Crist is a perfect example of our mongrel 2 party system. Where you can't tell one side from the other.

46 I've been following Quinnipeac Polls for a couple of years and they are always scewed dem.

They used to be pretty good in blowout races in NJ/NY/CT.  Even more than skewing Dem, they're just sloppy.  Even the best pollster can have a bad sample (basic sampling theory) but Ras has an amazing track record.  He really seems to know how to account for errors in technique.

47 Dude had to take the bar three times. Rocket. Scientist. Not.

48 46 I'll bet he goes indy. What's this useless piece of shit gonna do without politics? Practice divorce law?

Crist is a perfect example of our mongrel 2 party system. Where you can't tell one side from the other.

Posted by: Lunatic Fringe at April 19, 2010 12:01 PM (uFdnM)

Actually, I'd say it shows the folly of electing lawyers to office.  But that's just me.

49 I don't think Crist is particularly smart

He always struck me as being kinda stupid. 

50 48 Dude had to take the bar three times. Rocket. Scientist. Not.

Posted by: Lunatic Fringe at April 19, 2010 12:02 PM (uFdnM)

That's just the bar exam.  It ain't like there's a lot of abstract algebra or measure theory on it.

51

Just read the Hotline article-nothing really new there.

I Still think the Indie bid is likely, but I don't think he has made up his mind yet-

no sign of trying to retain key advisers, no campaign staff moves, rumors of meetings, etc...

Nothing.

I think he is still weighing his rapidly dwindling options.

Time is running out on him though. If he wants to switch or run as an indie, he needs to move fairly quick to catch up on his campaign apparatus. FL is a big state.

52 ...with 2012 being a prez election year, turnout will be high to vote the highly unpopular prez out of office...and Nelson will be a casualty.

Posted by: Crush Liberalism at April 19, 2010 11:41 AM (8NiWI)

 

Really dig this. 

Here is hoping to multiply the (Nelson) spot with many happy returns all over the country. 

53 Agree amish dude. At last count 48% of Congress and the One are lawyers...searching for a common denominator here...

54 I've seen the ads from the Crist camp.  Pretty bad - makes his side look kinda petty and childish.

I can see why they would pull them...

55 Reid, Frank, Dodd all lawyers. Nancy has a degree in political science. Any questions?

56 Lunatic Fringe, don't get me wrong, lawyers are necessary -- as lawyers.  But there are major issues with a nation being run by people who have done nothing but go to an elite law school.  They produce an inordinate amount of Obamas, people who think that they are brilliant even though they haven't been tested in academia, let alone the real world.

Like Cartman might have said, "They want to save the world, but they just wear a suit and flap their gums a lot."

I could go for a long time in a discussion of the thesis, "You learn all the wrong lessons in law school."

And one-third of government -- the least accountable branch -- being the exclusive province of a single profession explains why lawyers are so prolific and so well-paid, despite never having to write a thesis or compete against international students.  Sure, I can see why a journalist would find them to be smart, but that's damning with faint praise.

57

Why do the call it "Political Science" anyway? There is no Science involved.

I have a my degree in it, I always called it "Political Non-Science", or "Nonsense". both are applicable. It should be "Governmental Relations" or something.

58

"lawyers are necessary"

They really green the grass if you bury 'em only 6 inches or so.

59

Academic hierarchy is pretty much determined by suffixes:
-ics
-engineering
-ology
-science
-studies

Exceptions:
Computer Science is either an -ics or an -engineering
Economics is at best an -ology, but usually a -science

60 Political Science Should be a "Studies", then-IMHO.

61 I agree to an extent, AD.

Arguing opinions is hardly worth much. One side declares itself the winner today- to be over turned tomorrow. It is an oratory practice and in actuality, has very little actual value. The problem is that people give lawyers far more respect and esteem than they actually deserve. What do they produce? Opinions? Do they teach different case law at Harvard than they do at some state university? No. So why is Harvard the sacred ground for Scotus? Apparently graduating anywhere else makes you second rate.

I think Booby Kennedy nailed it for me. He said pay attention to what a man has actually accomplished rather than what he says he will accomplish. That is the best yardstick for determining future results. Obama is a perfect example of that. He accomplished nothing. Fail. Therein lies his future worth. Having no monopoly on any given phrase, I yield the balance of my time and rest my case.

62 There's got to be moonbat Demtards that must be incensed with people like Spector (and Crist if he switches) who are basically opportunistic parasites, not party faithfuls.

Well the funny thing is I'm not sure why these guys would possibly expect their new party to do much of anything for them once they do switch.  Look at Spector for example, ok, so the Dem's don't fulfill their promise and run someone against him in the primary and pass him over for leadership positions.

What the hell is Spector going to do, switch back?  Not bloody likely.  The republicans wouldn't touch him with a 200 foot pole at this point.  They'd just laugh at him and tell him to pound sand.  So once Spector, or Crist, or any politician announces that they've "switched" parties the only way any of those promises are kept is if the people your dealing with are honorable.  As Spector found out, their not.

I think Spector is just now figuring out he sold his soul for nothing.  I think if Crist goes Independent or switches to Democrat, he'll discover the same thing pretty quickly.  Though honestly I wouldn't mind a bit if he'd switch over to Democrat or Independent.  One less RINO for us to have to deal with later.

63 I still can't believe that cocksucker vetoed the education bill--the bill that helps the students, not the teachers.

64 new hyperlink

65

I think Booby Kennedy nailed it for me.

 

HEY NOW, Buster!

66 65 new hyperlink

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 19, 2010 12:41 PM

 

Dude, that is freakin' hilarious....

67 I just had an interesting thought. Obama was a teacher for 12 years, teaching to a group of hostages who were forced to agree with his opinions to get thru class with a decent grade. So he develops this false sense of self, ego, that says what I have to say has value, I am smart-I must be right and then he manages to bullshit his way into the top job. He calls his oratory a gift. Now all of the sudden, Rush, Glen, and Fox say fuck you. We are not hostages seeking good grades. Is it any wonder why Obama can't stomach dissent? He has never tasted dissent. And perhaps, before it's over, he is about to get a buffet of the stuff pictured in Gabe's blog. I'll buy lunch and dinner.

68

You know what?  If he'll put his interest ahead of eduction like that, he'll switch parties.

It's all about Crist, babay!

69 Only reason Crist is where he is today is he was the only sane alternative at the time to typical lefty Democrat Jim Davis, and most voters figured he'd be a harmless Jeb-Lite.  We got the Lite alright, but no Jeb.
Now that everyone knows who and what he is, there's no real appetite for more of him, and Marco should easily beat him.  I can't detect any real interest in him here as an independent.  Tea Partiers can smell a rat.

70 Just one quick observation. I had been delighted to hear earlier today that Crist had dumped his negative ad buy in the Orlando market, possibly signaling a withdrawl or change of course for his campaign. You can imagine my surprise when, during tonightÂ’s WESH-2 news, Crist was continuing his attack ad attempting to link Marco to former Florida House speaker Samson. Never forget fellas, you can never trust a former-drag queen.

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