September 28, 2010

David Weigel Pines for Cindy Sheehan of Yore
— Geoff

David Weigel, yes that David Weigel, continues to show off the journalistic chops that so endeared him to conservatives this past summer. Today he laments the decline of Cindy Sheehan into an irredeemable state of idiocy.

Via Stephen Gutowski, here's the star of the summer of 2005 completing her descent into any-conspiracy-will-do-ism and declaring herself a "9/11 Truther."

There really was a political/cultural moment when Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq, was an un-touchable, credible activist.

No, Davy, there wasn't. That moment never existed. From the start, it was a trivial task to identify Sheehan as an opportunistic, irrational, emotional spooge-rag for the Left. Her "credibility" was manufactured by the media and was believable only to those who were already convinced that George Bush was the spawn of a Hitler/Lucifer/Bonzo love triangle.

People like, I suspect, Dave Weigel, who is only now realizing that she's a loon. Hint to any WaPo refugees currently hiding out at Slate: She. Didn't. Change.

But wait, there's more. He closes with this errant attempt at pith:

I am not, not, not making a one-to-one comparison here, but there is a lesson for tea party activists who are currently and unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP.
First, you have to wonder if he meant "unquestionably," rather than "unquestioningly." But either way, calling Tea Party activists "the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP" is to completely ignore the past 6 months of primary battles and Democratic chortlings over GOP infighting.

Ah well, at least he got "untouchable" right.

Posted by: Geoff at 10:14 AM | Comments (123)
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1


Tea party activists haven't started camping outside of BHO's martha's vinyard retreat.


Posted by: s'moron at September 28, 2010 10:16 AM (UaxA0)

2

She's just more of what she always was.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2010 10:16 AM (7AOgy)

3

Ah well, at least he got "untouchable" right.

 

Untouchable, yeah.  Undoucheable, not so much...

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2010 10:16 AM (8GYOu)

4 I'm guessing Dave is a moron, and not the good kind.

Posted by: cranky-d at September 28, 2010 10:17 AM (0NFrC)

5
I am not, not, not making a one-to-one comparison here...

holy triple negative, Batman!

AmishDude, is a triple negative a negative?

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 10:17 AM (uFokq)

6 David Weigel is a zit faced little shit who deserved it every time he got his ass kicked outside his neighborhood arcade.

Posted by: Mr Pink at September 28, 2010 10:17 AM (hL0//)

7 Tea Party activists camping out in Kenya

Posted by: CNN at September 28, 2010 10:18 AM (+sBB4)

8

"There really was a political/cultural moment when Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq, was an un-touchable, credible activist."

Her son's sacrifice was his sacrifice, not hers: she tried to run him over with her car to keep him from duty.  So the fact that he died in Iraq did not suddenly imbue her with the wisdom of the ages and infallibility on foreign policy.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2010 10:18 AM (7AOgy)

9 Her brains were in her uterus, and she'd had a hysterectomy.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 28, 2010 10:18 AM (ZtwUX)

10 May I please know who the "conservative elite" are?

Posted by: Mongerel at September 28, 2010 10:19 AM (YqWfw)

11

Tea party activists haven't started camping outside of BHO's martha's vinyard retreat.

 

Ha!  If that ever happened, they would be arrested and escorted to jail for being racist, "dangerous extremists."  The Ditch Witch, however was the sainted Mother Theresa of the left who had absolute moral authority because the Evil Bushitler McChimpy slaughtered her son for oil. 


Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2010 10:19 AM (8GYOu)

12
I think he means indubitably.


Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 10:19 AM (uFokq)

13 Not only has she never changed, she ceased being a "useful idiot" for them sometime between the Dem takeover in the 2006 elections and her running against Pelosi in 2008 as an opposition candidate because Pelosi didn't end the Iraq war.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 28, 2010 10:20 AM (wDKwf)

14 O/T:  sort of....people are starting to make a joke out of  hey, "Buck Up!"


Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 10:20 AM (p302b)

15 You have to be fucking retarded, Joe Biden retarded, to have fallen for Sheehan's crap.

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2010 10:21 AM (mAhn3)

16 O/T:  sort of....people are starting to make a joke out of  hey, "Buck Up!"


Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 02:20 PM (p302b)

The Democrats have always been a party of buck-ups.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2010 10:21 AM (7AOgy)

17 Sheehan ceased to be "credible" when Dems won the House and then continued to fund the Iraq war. Before that she was a useful idiot.

Posted by: Mr Pink at September 28, 2010 10:23 AM (hL0//)

18 Sheehan was a media creation and hence never credible. Once the war was no longer an issue that could hurt Bush, the cameras left and now Sheehan has to go full retard to get any attention. I'd feel sad for her if she wasn't such a media whore.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 28, 2010 10:23 AM (ndcYO)

19 13 Not only has she never changed, she ceased being a "useful idiot" for them sometime between the Dem takeover in the 2006 elections and her running against Pelosi in 2008 as an opposition candidate because Pelosi didn't end the Iraq war.

What an unexpected turn of fortune for Shehag. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 28, 2010 10:23 AM (9hSKh)

20 Is he saying that he really does miss Bush?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2010 10:23 AM (RkRxq)

21 She is who we thought she was!

Posted by: Dennis Green at September 28, 2010 10:23 AM (8y9MW)

Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 10:24 AM (p302b)

23 People actually get paid to write crap like that. Unfathomable.

Posted by: Bosk at September 28, 2010 10:25 AM (pUO5u)

24 Sorry to say it but I think Cindy was around the bend before her son went to Iraq and his death just finished what had been started. Somebody needs to get her in the care of a mental health professional and I'm not saying that just to be mean. Mostly.

Posted by: joncelli at September 28, 2010 10:25 AM (RD7QR)

25

when Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq, was an un-touchable, credible activist.

The level of self-bullshit is astounding.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 28, 2010 10:26 AM (EPn5l)

26 23 O/t:  "Shooting at UT Austin: Law Professor Shot At But Unharmed"

Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 02:24 PM (p302b)

Superman is a professor?  I did not know that.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2010 10:26 AM (RkRxq)

27 23 - Does that mean we missed out on the "good start?"

Those who can - do.
Those who can't - teach.
Those who can't teach become professors...

Posted by: AllenG at September 28, 2010 10:26 AM (8y9MW)

28 Cindy Sheehan has always been mentally ill.  Her fifteen minutes of fame came when she proved useful to the radical left and the MFM (but I repeat myself).  

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 28, 2010 10:26 AM (xxgag)

29 Yeah real shocker. More than a third of Democrats are truthers.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 28, 2010 10:28 AM (OrgDG)

30 Dave Weigel has a "Daily Show" level understanding of politics. 

That's not a good thing.

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2010 10:28 AM (0nqdj)

31
Does anybody else find Demon Hillary sexy?  Regular Hillary.. no way.  But Demon Hillary...

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 28, 2010 10:29 AM (JKe0g)

32 Cindy Sheehan was Maureen Dowd's favorite anti-war mom until, well, the Dems won Congress and Bush left. No, poor Cindy *sniff*... MoDo doesn't return her frantic phone calls...

Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 28, 2010 10:29 AM (kbOju)

33

"I think he means indubitably."

I don't think I've heard that word since Crispy Critters cereal.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at September 28, 2010 10:30 AM (HaYO4)

34 Alex Jones just blew a wad in his jockeys.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 28, 2010 10:30 AM (d4Hvj)

35 Anyone remember the time when Sheehan wanted to time travel, a la Terminator, back to when George W Bush was an infant and kill him, to prevent him from becoming pres?

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2010 10:31 AM (mAhn3)

36 Demon sheep now demon Hillary.

Posted by: Mr Pink at September 28, 2010 10:31 AM (hL0//)

37 "I'd feel sad for her if she wasn't such a media whore." --Dr. Spank

I wouldn't feel sorry for her if she stepped on her left tit and fell into a meat grinder.

But that's just me.

Posted by: jwpaine at September 28, 2010 10:32 AM (g4J4S)

38 It amuses me how all these foot-soldiers for the Left have no clue how expendable they are for "the cause".  How many people have the libs just thrown away like dirty underwear when they were of no further use?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 28, 2010 10:32 AM (9hSKh)

39 Who can forget this pic? Such organic, spontaneous human emotion for a "credible activist".

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at September 28, 2010 10:33 AM (ckP8y)

40 No, I meant "unquestioningly." The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers. And I can see them dumping some of the activists they like now if they become inconvenient, although they'd need to go pretty far to match Sheehan in the march toward nuttery.

Keep on, uh, punishing me by sending me traffic and writing posts that make my point. Thanks!

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 10:33 AM (TnBMY)

41 I find myself weigeling for the pines of yore.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 28, 2010 10:34 AM (vnwdz)

42 Nothing like a good Bilderberger spin on things (via WUWT): http://tinyurl.com/385h4ws

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2010 10:34 AM (kOLrd)

43
I don't think I've heard that word since Crispy Critters cereal.

I think the word indubitably is used in one of those Schoolhouse Rock bits.

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 10:35 AM (uFokq)

44 I'd feel sad for her if she wasn't such a media whore.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 28, 2010 02:23 PM (ndcYO)

I love it when the Left disposes of the wretches it enslaves, treating them like  used condoms.  Much like those gals who got raped and "married" by the muslim trash they went to give moral support to - as soon as they got back, their professors told them to shut up about it in order to avoid hurting the cause.  Typical Leftist move.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 28, 2010 10:35 AM (xUM1Q)

45

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 28, 2010 02:32 PM (9hSKh)

Well said.  Guess I should hit the refresh button a bit more frequently...

Posted by: Reactionary at September 28, 2010 10:36 AM (xUM1Q)

46 38 Have you seen this boy?

Posted by: Cindy Sheehag at September 28, 2010 10:36 AM (hL0//)

47 42 Who can forget this pic? Such organic, spontaneous human emotion for a "credible activist".

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at September 28, 2010 02:33 PM (ckP8y)


That pic is a perfect example of why the MFM is, well, the MFM.  More cameras there then protesters...assuming the protesters could have gotten past the press.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 28, 2010 10:37 AM (d4Hvj)

48 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2010 02:26 PM (RkRxq)

the comments on that story could have been written by morons and moronettes....

Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 10:37 AM (p302b)

49 Back when Cindy Sheehan started her Crawford camping stunt, I read a comment (possibly at LGF, before Charles lost his shit) that said something to the effect of "enjoy the adulation that you're getting from the left now, Cindy, because they're going to discard you when they no longer have any use for you."

And since, oh, about the twentieth of January of last year, the left has been completely ignoring this woman.

I do feel a little bad for her. Losing a son in a war has to be incredibly traumatic, and something like that can push certain people over the edge. But I have nothing but contempt for the hate-Bush leftists who used her.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 28, 2010 10:39 AM (JYuY2)

50 O/T:  The author of "More Guns, Less Crime" was scheduled to speak to the Federalist Society.

Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 10:39 AM (p302b)

51 (TnBMY) - The problem with sock puppets...

Ace can you confirm this actually came from DW?  I wouldn't put it past some of our trolls or for someone to have thought it was more over-the-top than it actually was.

Posted by: AllenG at September 28, 2010 10:39 AM (8y9MW)

52 #46  I think the word indubitably is used in one of those Schoolhouse Rock bits.

If you click on the Crypt Lord in Warcraft III several times, it'll say "indubitably". 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 28, 2010 10:40 AM (9hSKh)

53 If you think about all the stuff that was said during the Bush administration and how Bush never said a word, never pushed back, makes you think the guy was a saint.

I'm wondering if the prez's handlers aren't showing him the polls that show Americans don't want obamcare?

Posted by: curious at September 28, 2010 10:41 AM (p302b)

54
why?

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 10:42 AM (uFokq)

55

Apparently this ass doesn't read your site, Ace. People here are STILL fighting, visciously, over the State and candidate that shall not be named.

 

Perhaps outside of our little cocoon, she is the "toast" of the Pub elite.

Posted by: Elmo, suspiciously crusty and brown at September 28, 2010 10:42 AM (YmPwQ)

56 Weigel: "...tea party activists who are currently and unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP."

Still full of stupid, that guy. His reportage was better at JournoList... when it was hidden. Unless it's breaking news that the "conservative elite" are toasting those making their lives miserable if not actually bumping them off.

News tip, Weigel. Obama and his fellow-travelers are Marxists. You might want to check that out and really get in front of the curve.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 28, 2010 10:42 AM (swuwV)

57
if you remember the video game FULL THROTTLE, if you tried to make Ben taste something he'd say, "I'm not putting my lips on that."

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 10:43 AM (uFokq)

58 Sheehan hung up on her NPR interviewer (Neil Conant?) and was outed as an Israel hater by George Will - all while she was still at her media camp in Crawford. She was a nut then and the media glossed over it to use her to make their anti-Bush point.

As for Weigel- see how much he loves links? He loves them, even from Drudge, I'll bet.

Posted by: MayBee at September 28, 2010 10:44 AM (Ve3ik)

59

Weeeeeeeeeeee! Weeee Weeee Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: Maxwell the Geico pig challeling the pig Sheehan at September 28, 2010 10:45 AM (pLTLS)

60 who are currently and unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite


*Looking up from the blood soaked battle field*

Unquestioningly the toast of.....?

Maybe the one's whose burnt and bloody bodies haven't been deposited in a mass political grave. And they do so not so much because they like us, but because they fear us.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 28, 2010 10:46 AM (0q2P7)

61 25 Sorry to say it but I think Cindy was around the bend before her son went to Iraq and his death just finished what had been started. Somebody needs to get her in the care of a mental health professional and I'm not saying that just to be mean. Mostly.

Posted by: joncelli at September 28, 2010 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

If you look at her history before her son even joined the military, she was already a not-so-bright leftist activist type. And after Casey was killed she became unbalanced and a narcissistic attention seeker. There's a reason her husband divorced her and her family have basically turned their backs on her.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 28, 2010 10:46 AM (f5vi+)

62 Even at $.000000000000001 per word, Weigel would be overpaid.

Posted by: boniface ballers at September 28, 2010 10:47 AM (bPbwB)

63

I have more respect for Sheehan than any of the MFM or the Dems.

She's still out protesting the Afghan War - the MFM has refused to cover it since Jan. 20, 2009.

Posted by: The Q at September 28, 2010 10:48 AM (pfStM)

64 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4822109 (audio)

..

NC: Why did he decide to join the Army?

CS: Well, he got lied to by his recruiter. His recruiter made him five promises that he broke all the promises to Casey. Casey was a very trusting and trustworthy person. So, he felt everyone else was trustworthy. Especially somebody who represents the government.

NC: Mmm hmmm. But, so, did he say afterwards, “I was duped?”

CS: Um, he, he, when we’d ask him about all these things that your recruiter promised you, he’s just say, “Well, Mom, you know, it’s the Army. They didn’t tell us they didn’t have to fulfill their promises. We were the only ones who had to fulfill our promises.”

NC: Mmm hmm. And did he write you letters about what he was doing in Iraq?

...

NC: Um, and of course, I donÂ’t want to get too personal, butÂ…I wonder: When he was deciding to join the Army, did you try to talk him out of it?

CS: We didnÂ’t have a chance because he joined before he talked to us.

NC: Before he talked. So, he made a choice of his own.

CS: [pause] Right.

NC: Um, now, you wereÂ…

CS: [not so cheerfully] But does that have to do with him being sent to a war thatÂ’s illegal and immoral to kill people and get killed for, um, a country that was no threat or harm to the United States of America?

NC: UhhhÂ…no. But, he wasnÂ’t drafted. He made a choice of free will.

CS: Yeah, and if we give our children to the government to serve their country, we should make sure that theyÂ’re only used if itÂ’s absolutely necessary to defend the United States of America.

NC: I wonder, now, you got a chance to meet with President Bush with a group of other families for a brief time. What happened in that meeting?

CS: UmmmÂ…IÂ’ve talked about this a lot. Do we have to talk about this? Do you have any questions about whatÂ’s going on right now or what weÂ’re gonna do in the future?

NC: IÂ’m just curious; IÂ’ve not heard your answer to this.

CS: Um, excuse me?

NC: IÂ’ve not heard your answer, if you wouldnÂ’t mind.

CS: [someone speaking in background] I have two minutes.

NC: [amazed] You have two minutes.

CS: I have two minutes so…he was—George Bush acted like we were at a tea party, he was rude to us, and we felt worse than we did after we met with him.

NC: Mm hmm. Um, I didnÂ’t realize you just had two minutes. We thought we had more time with you today, but, uhÂ…I did want to ask. I know youÂ’re planning to, when President Bush comes back to Washington, youÂ’re planning to continue the protest here in Washington D.C.

CS: Yeah, weÂ’re taking the bus tour to Washington D.C. and weÂ’re all meeting there on September 24 for the big United for Peace and JusticeÂ…um, war protest.

NC: And you did get a chance to meet with some of his senior advisors a couple of weeks ago. Did you get a chance—did they listen to you, or did they talk to you?

CS: He-hello?

NC: Did they listen to you? Or did they talk to you?

CS: Hello?

NC: Yes. Hi?

CS: [clear as a bell] I didnÂ’t hear your question, IÂ’m sorry. We have a really bad connection.

NC: I apologize for that. It’s the cell—

CS: ThatÂ’s not your fault. IÂ’m in the middle of Crawford, so, you know, itÂ’s very spotty cell phone service out here.

NC: I understand. I was asking about your meeting with some of the PresidentÂ’s chief advisors, including the National Security Advisor. In that meeting, did they, did they listen to you?

CS: Um, they listened to me and they talked to me. They tried to tell me things that I knew weren’t true, and so finally I said, “Just because I’m a grieving mother doesn’t mean that I am stupid.” And I said, “I don’t believe you guys are stupid either.” So we ended the meeting and they said they would pass on my concerns to the president, and then…they left.

...

NC: As you know, there are parents of other men and women who died in Iraq who say youÂ’re using their sonsÂ’ and daughtersÂ’ names in your cause.

CS: To stop the killing? You know, just because my sonÂ’s killed, why should I want any other children to be killed? Why would I want any other families to be going through this and this seems to be the PresidentÂ’s reason for continuing the war because heÂ’s killed so many American soldiers already he has to kill more. And I believe thatÂ’s the most insane and the most immoral reason for continuing the war.

NC: I understand what youÂ’re saying, but, they say you donÂ’t speak for them.

CS: I never said I spoke for them. I never said I spoke for 100% of the military families. I never claimed to. I know they have their opinions and I believe thatÂ’s their right to their opinions.

NC: Fair enough. Do you st—You’ve come out…A lot of statements have been attributed to you as this…Camp Casey has grown, as this movement has grown, and uh…

CS: I gotta, I have to go now. Thank youuuu. [click]



Posted by: MayBee at September 28, 2010 10:54 AM (Ve3ik)

65 Sorry about the length of that one.
That was from August 2005.

Posted by: MayBee at September 28, 2010 10:54 AM (Ve3ik)

66 No, I meant "unquestioningly." The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers. And I can see them dumping some of the activists they like now if they become inconvenient, although they'd need to go pretty far to match Sheehan in the march toward nuttery.

Keep on, uh, punishing me by sending me traffic and writing posts that make my point. Thanks!

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 02:33

 

What march? She was unhinged well before Obama became president. When was she a "credible activist"? When she was of use to the denizens of Journolist? And why is this idiot speaking in terms of punishment? Is this a job to him, or some sort of S&M trip? This proves that to him, this isn't an intellectualy exercise; it's some osrt of blurred ideological/blog cred struggle.

 

Keep it classy, you'll be able to ply your wares in the first class hotels and conventions a bit longer. The alley will still be there in the end.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 28, 2010 10:59 AM (R2fpr)

67 Here is a link (Sweetness and Light) about her March 2005 anti-zionism rant to Nightline.

http://tinyurl.com/23x53so

Reported on August 15, 2005.  Cindy was never untouchable.

Posted by: MayBee at September 28, 2010 11:02 AM (Ve3ik)

68
No, I meant "unquestioningly." The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers.

You wrote that the Tea Partiers are unquestioning.

Sentence diagrams. Learn them. Love them.

Posted by: geoff at September 28, 2010 11:03 AM (QrzlF)

69
Heh.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 28, 2010 11:04 AM (0fzsA)

70

I'm not down on Weigel as hard as some, but this is just dumb:

The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers.

Is that a joke? Krauthammer's not questioning? Lisa Murcalvski? Did Weigel miss all the Delaware questioning?

If he means that the GOP will take Tea Party support when it benefits them, then that's a simple thing to say. But "unquestioning"?

Dude.

 

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 28, 2010 11:05 AM (rplL3)

71 How is David Weigel able to work as a writer? 

Ever read his tweets?  I swear he is about 14 years old.

Posted by: pam at September 28, 2010 11:06 AM (h8R9p)

72
If he means that the GOP will take Tea Party support when it benefits them, then that's a simple thing to say. But "unquestioning"?

What about "ardor?" Unless by "ardor" he means "disdain."

Posted by: geoff at September 28, 2010 11:06 AM (QrzlF)

73 No, I meant "unquestioningly." The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers. And I can see them dumping some of the activists they like now if they become inconvenient, although they'd need to go pretty far to match Sheehan in the march toward nuttery.



Your post implies that the GOP would be permitted to "dump" these tea party people, or that even when tea party people are disowned by the GOP due to nutty views, the GOP would not be tarred with the tea party person's nutty views anyway.  The MSM writes what it is wont to write.  The Democrats don't even have to "dump" Sheehan, their media choreboys did that for them by discrediting Sheehan once she had lost her utility and was becoming a liability. 

Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 28, 2010 11:09 AM (r1OG3)

74

>> currently and unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP.

 

That's merely an unsupported assertion.  Anybody who hung around here for the past few weeks (re: Delaware) looks foolish offering it up.

 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 28, 2010 11:18 AM (WvXvd)

75 Useful Idiot Cindy Sheehan has lost her usefulness and Dave is sad.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2010 11:22 AM (No0N3)

76 IIRC, there was a movie titled "Love Indubitably" featured in several episodes of Arrested Development.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at September 28, 2010 11:23 AM (qwK3S)

77 1. Sniff glue.
2. ???????
3. Become a columnist at Slate!

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 28, 2010 11:33 AM (bxiXv)

78 43:

Oh noes! Douche Weasel has found the Moron HQ! Whatever shall we do?

Posted by: RJ at September 28, 2010 11:35 AM (gXVqy)

79 Faux-Conservative tool David Weigel must think that sucking up to, or is that off, Hugo Chavez grants "credibility" to Sheehan.

Posted by: DANEgerus at September 28, 2010 11:40 AM (e3/KR)

80
indubitably is a good word.

Weigel doesn't have the wherewithal to use such a word. Unquestioningly is appropriate for Weigel.

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 11:40 AM (uFokq)

81 Faux-Conservative tool David Weigel must think dancing with anti-Semite Cynthia McKinney(D) grants "credibility" to Sheehan.

Posted by: DANEgerus at September 28, 2010 11:41 AM (e3/KR)

82 Wherewithal?  Is that like Where's Waldo?  I loooooove those books.  I can never find him though.  Are there easier versions for "journalists"?

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 11:44 AM (VmtE9)

83 No, I meant "unquestioningly." The GOP elites are unquestioning in their current ardor for Tea Partiers. And I can see them dumping some of the activists they like now if they become inconvenient, although they'd need to go pretty far to match Sheehan in the march toward nuttery.

Keep on, uh, punishing me by sending me traffic and writing posts that make my point. Thanks!

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 02:33 PM (TnBMY)

What Dave Wrote:

"there is a lesson for tea party activists who are currently and unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP"

What Dave Meant, But Lacks the Basic Skills of Grammar and Usage to Write:

"there is a lesson for tea party activists who are currently the toast of an unquestioning conservative elite and Republican Party"

What Dave Did:

compounded his error by defending it, thus reinforcing his reputation for poor writing and clouded thinking while simultaneously revealing himself to be a thin-skinned whiner

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2010 11:49 AM (7AOgy)

84 Weigal the schlemiel has to explain in terms that seem simple why it has just occurred to him that Sheehan is a nutbag. Our Journolister needs to get with his peeps and work out more of the details later....ie;how to tell kooks from patriots.

Posted by: ford takes a bath at September 28, 2010 11:49 AM (Ki7fm)

85 People have spent the better part of a year misreading, misinterpreting, misjudging and mischaracterizing the Tea Party. It's pretty much all been deliberate, and it's led to phonies like Dave being forced to stretch further and further in order to explain away/denigrate the T.P.'s. Covering the Tea Party movement honestly is antithetical to all the Weigel-worms out there. Better to just watch them being wrong over and over again than wasting time trying to correct them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 28, 2010 12:00 PM (Q6pci)

86

I guess Dave missed it when the current elite senators like Trent Lott said Americans don't want a lot of Jim DeMint discipiles. It's hard to catch every little thing. Yes, DeMint is a Republican Senator, but he isn't really considered elite, in your context, is he. Just didn't want that to slip by.

If you're still reading, Dave, consider that a reminder. I don't want to give you any traffic, to cause the illusion that conservatives read you. Thanks for that reminder, and have a great day!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 28, 2010 12:04 PM (UEEex)

87 Her kid was my age.

He signed up before 9-11 and then re-enlisted after.

All I need to know.

She had a son.

His name was Casey and he died in battle.

I think that he deserves more than to be a footnote to his mother's grief and her very sad, exploited, media career.

He was a man and he died a man's death.

Yes, every man is someone's child and those we send into battle must, by necessity, look like babes when we send them off.

But they are not children, they are not babes, they are men and women.

I think it the gravest disservice of all to try to infantilize them  post-mortem.














Posted by: Deety at September 28, 2010 12:05 PM (aVzyR)

88

Is that a joke? Krauthammer's not questioning? Lisa Murcalvski? Did Weigel miss all the Delaware questioning?

This is a good point, but keep in mind... what were the second acts in those situations? It was money flooding in to O'Donnell's campaign and people like Karl Rove shutting up; it was the Senate GOP endorsing Joe Miller and giving Murkowski a partial demotion. Compare the way the GOP is embracing the Tea Party to the way the Democrats fretted about their base in 2006/2008.

Also, I think the "crazy Tea Partiers who won GOP primaries will lose" narrative is stupid and wrong and have written as much. And Republicans know this. The occasional "GOP aide who spoke under conditions of anonymity" doesn't matter anymore.

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 12:06 PM (TnBMY)

89
A first, I pitied her: a mother who lost her son in battle. I'm sure that that would be a blow that would knock even the strongest personoff kilter.

But when she let Vanity Fair photograph her prostrated on her son's grave: Vanity Fair, of all aptly named publications! Then I saw that she was just another loony publicity whore. And how terrible that Casey Sheehan should be known mainly because of her.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 28, 2010 12:10 PM (0Pc0D)

90 Also: "I guess Dave missed it when the current elite senators like Trent Lott said Americans don't want a lot of Jim DeMint discipiles."

Trent Lott hasn't been a senator since 2007. Is the argument that an ex-senator/lobbyist is as much part of the "elite" as the entire House GOP leadership, which has wholly embraced the Tea Party movement? Rightly, if you ask me. They're going to win a ton of elections because of the Tea Party movement.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program of talking tough while hiding behind online anonymity.

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 12:13 PM (TnBMY)

91

>> This is a good point, but keep in mind... what were the second acts in those situations?

 

It's actually the point Dave, and if you course-correct on it then you really don't have one anymore.

Whatever else would be the "lesson" for current tea party activists?  In case you missed it, Miller and O'Donnell are the Republican candidates now (and I know you don't know me from Adam, but I was not an O'Donnell supporter).  So they're likely to get, you know, Republican support.

And Karl Rove shutting up?  Ninja please, he bitched about her for a week after the fact.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 28, 2010 12:16 PM (WvXvd)

92 Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 04:13 PM (TnBMY) So in other words, you write sweeping, unqualified statements to score cheap points but when people point out that the facts don't support your postion, you dismiss them as unimportant exceptions. For such a young guy, your act is pretty old and tired.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 28, 2010 12:18 PM (U1NcL)

93 Now, back to your regularly scheduled program of talking tough while hiding behind online anonymity.

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 04:13 PM (TnBMY)

Talking tough? Like Fezzik said in Princess Bride, I don't think it means what you think it means.

Thanks for pointing out my error, Lott is not a current Senator. But he represents the elite, as I am interpreting your column. DeMint, not the elite in that timeframe. See, you would know these things if you were really a Republican, rather than playing one on the internet.

Lott doesn't like the Tea Party, DeMint does. That is the whole point, and it is not what your column said. So I stand by my comment.

Also, brush up on talking tough. It will help.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 28, 2010 12:20 PM (UEEex)

94 Now, back to your regularly scheduled program of talking tough while hiding behind online anonymity.

Coming from the guy who called us "ratf*ckers" while in the safe enclave of a liberal email list, this is pretty damn funny.

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2010 12:22 PM (0nqdj)

95

Dave, maybe you should just tell us to light ourselves on fire.

Posted by: laceyunderalls asking if anyone has a match at September 28, 2010 12:23 PM (pLTLS)

96
Check out the lede from today's Christian Science Monitor article titled:"Why 'tea party' tensions threaten midterm election triumph by Republicans:"

"In a year when Republicans stand to make considerable gains, tension between establishment Republicans and “tea party” supporters could threaten the GOP’s hopes of winning control of the House or Senate."

That's some impressive ardor.

Posted by: geoff at September 28, 2010 12:25 PM (QrzlF)

97

When Nixon said "ratfuckers", he sounded serious.

Some people should avoid tough-sounding expressions if they can't pull it off.

 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 28, 2010 12:25 PM (WvXvd)

98
Some people should avoid tough-sounding expressions if they can't pull it off.

Ratfuckers. RATfuckers. RatFUCKers.

Ahem. I'll avoid it.

Posted by: geoff at September 28, 2010 12:27 PM (QrzlF)

99 The Republican "elites" are not unquestioningly accepting the tea party. There are many who are supporting the candidates who won their states' GOP primary. Which is pretty much standard-- what are they supposed to do?

Posted by: MayBee at September 28, 2010 12:29 PM (Ve3ik)

100

This is a good point, but keep in mind... what were the second acts in those situations? It was money flooding in to O'Donnell's campaign and people like Karl Rove shutting up

Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 04:06 PM (TnBMY)

Do you not get that you are contradicting the very point you say you are trying to make?

The GOP party establishment and elites went batsh*t when O'Donnell won.  It wasn't they who donated massively to O'Donnell's campaign on the day after the election: it was a horde of grassroots conservatives.  And as you point out, the GOP elites were shamed into silence and fell into line to support her -- not because they unquestioningly support or follow the TEA Party line, but because they understand that the base of power (votes, energy, activism and grassroots action) in the TEA Party can be a huge advantage to the Republican Party.

But that will happen only if the Republicans decide to align with the TEA Party, against the counsel of the elites who believe the TEA Party Movement has no choice but to support the GOP.  The Republican Party establishment and elites are questioning, all right: they're questioning whether they'll still have positions of power once the TEA Party movement makes its full force apparent on Nov. 2.  On top of worrying about getting themselves and their GOP candidates elected on that day, they have to worry about how to position themselves to be palatable to the TEA Party.

The TEA Party isn't the "toast of the conservative elite and the GOP," they're in many ways the bane of the conservative elite and the GOP establishment.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2010 12:30 PM (7AOgy)

101 When Nixon said "ratfuckers", he sounded serious.

To be fair, when Nixon said "potholders" he sounded just as serious.

Posted by: Patti at September 28, 2010 12:31 PM (aVzyR)

102
Remember the priest in CADDYSHACK missed that putt and screamed RATFARTS!?

Posted by: generic commentor mode: on at September 28, 2010 12:32 PM (uFokq)

103

I suppose the point is that I had better steel myself for the day that O'Donnell embarrasses us all by going to Venezuela and huggin on Hugo Chavez.  Ok then, wow, good point.

I'm ready.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 28, 2010 12:34 PM (WvXvd)

104 What a tool. How funny is it that on a blog like this the guy whose credibility is incontrovertibly shot is the one who actually worked for the WaPo. That's so sweet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 28, 2010 12:38 PM (Q6pci)

105 >>>Compare the way the GOP is embracing the Tea Party to the way the Democrats fretted about their base in 2006/2008. Dave, you mean the way they fretted when they would tell Truthers demanding an investigation into Bush planning of 9/11 that they would "look into that" (Kerry and Edwards both answered questions this way)?

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2010 12:40 PM (KUUXH)

106 This is a good point, but keep in mind... what were the second acts in those situations? It was money flooding in to O'Donnell's campaign and people like Karl Rove shutting up Posted by: David Weigel at September 28, 2010 04:06 PM (TnBMY) So in your mind, unless GOP leaders and elites (a flexible standard you reserve the right to redefine as needed) campaign against their own nominees you think that means tea party activists are, "unquestioningly the toast of the conservative elite and the GOP"? You really going to stick with that?

Posted by: DrewM. at September 28, 2010 12:40 PM (U1NcL)

107 Dave W., Trent Lott is a former male college cheerleader with a warm room-temperature IQ. He's not that great a speaker live (he spoke at my graduation from Ole Miss), and the only thing he ever did worth a damn was father a REALLY hot daughter. I went to Ole Miss with her.

Posted by: SGT Dan at September 28, 2010 12:41 PM (GgXZc)

108

90  Thanks for remembering her son.  I'm sick to death of that crazy, useful idiot, attention hound bitch and what she's done to the memory of her kid, what's she's tried to do to other people (other people's kids) in false witness to her own.

Posted by: unknown jane at September 28, 2010 12:44 PM (5/yRG)

109 "...the spawn of a Hitler/Lucifer/Bonzo love triangle."

 For a minute, I thought that said, "the spawn of a Hitler/Lucifer/BONO love triangle."


Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 28, 2010 12:45 PM (ERw7X)

110 Is that Bonzo the monkey or Bonzo the dead Led Zeppelin drummer? I ask merely for informaton.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 28, 2010 12:50 PM (YmPwQ)

111

Former Journolister and current Slate author Dave Weigel has turned up in the comments of a blog run by an self-professed Ewok hobo-killer to post snippy rebuttals to a bunch of anonymous readers who jocularly refer to themselves as "Morons."

Textbook case of "punching down." We all know what "punching down" rhymes with, right?

Dave, I didn't know you lurked at the HQ. Why didn't you tip us off when Ace called out the lurkers a few days back?

Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at September 28, 2010 12:52 PM (dUunI)

112 How dare you Cons ruin my ego-searching!

Posted by: David Wiggle at September 28, 2010 12:52 PM (jDWYv)

113

By the way, Dave, this post wasn't intended to, er, "punish" you. It was meant to ridicule you. I can see how you might miss the distinction, though.

Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at September 28, 2010 12:53 PM (dUunI)

114 How funny is it that on a blog like this the guy whose credibility is incontrovertibly shot is the one who actually worked for the WaPo.

I'm still not sure how exactly it works that WaPo doesn't have egg on their face...

Okay, yeah. 

I get that the whole "Conservatives In The Mist" was an editorial epic fail from day one, but damn!

Who the hell would bill Weigel as some sort of Dianne Fossey when he clearly had a side business of making ashtrays out of the severed palms of Gorillas?

WTF?

Poor editorial policy.

Poor.

Poor.

Very Poor.



Posted by: Patti at September 28, 2010 12:54 PM (aVzyR)

115

Oh, I see. Dave thinks all Republicans are just like the ones in Washington. No, we are way over here, on the right of them! ------> Hi Dave! There's lots of people over here, some you haven't ever heard from!

Any bets on if Dave is "surprised" by events on Nov 2? I think it will be illuminating.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 28, 2010 12:56 PM (UEEex)

116
113 Is that Bonzo the monkey or Bonzo the dead Led Zeppelin drummer?

As in "Bedtime for..."

As far as I know Bonzo the dead Led Zepplin drummer is still available for unholy trysts.

Posted by: geoff at September 28, 2010 12:57 PM (QrzlF)

117

David, vat is zis talk of punishment? Do you, perhaps, vant to be punished? Have you conzidered zat your googling of critical responses to your articles may, in fact, be a zubconzious indicator that you seek punishment? Do you feel zat you dezerve ze punishment, David? Or, perhaps, doez ze punishment exzite you in your nether region?

Tell me about your fazher....

Posted by: Sigmund Freud at September 28, 2010 12:58 PM (dUunI)

118 Communists, Danny Glover, Invited to “Progressive March”.

Can't wait to see what Dave and his MSM buds say about the "peace march", where they are inviting commies and Marxists.

Remember during all the anti-war protests...when they all had signs with Pres Bush being hanged and decapitated, Bush-Hitler, Bush-Monkey/Chimp, signs imploring our soldiers to shoot their officers and the Pres/VP.

And the MSM would interview moms with strollers and grandmas...saying oh how nice you all are, and oh this is such bad news for Pres Bush.

The first tea party gathering was "reported" as an all white group, just like the KKK....who hated the first black Pres.

Of course this MSM talking point was started by Chrissy Matthews, who upon Sarah Palin's very first book signing commented on how white the people were standing in line.

The racist MSM/DNC/Hollywood/Academia propaganda machine is working overtime....each narrative they posit is more outragous than the last.


Posted by: pam at September 28, 2010 01:09 PM (h8R9p)

119 Thanks for remembering her son.  I'm sick to death of that crazy, useful idiot, attention hound bitch and what she's done to the memory of her kid, what's she's tried to do to other people (other people's kids) in false witness to her own.

Don't get me wrong.

I do, honestly, pity  Cindy Sheehan. 

I'm guessing that she didn't start out as "the most balanced person in the world" and that the loss of her son might have been more than she could bear.

Maybe she could have fought back from that, maybe not.

I fear that we will never know, because she was methodically destroyed by people like the Code Pinkers who liked nothing better than to stoke her anguish and paranoia to a fever pitch and put her "on display" for years on end.

Now that the "Anti-War" movement is pretty much done with her, what does she have left but to be a crazy, ranting, bag-lady, in the parking lot of some strip mall anchored by a Walgreens?

Cindy Sheehan doesn't piss me off.

She can't.  She's someone's Mom.

The people that used her, so cynically, make me incandescent.

(It wasn't even effective...)







Posted by: Deety at September 28, 2010 01:32 PM (aVzyR)

120

Former Journolister and current Slate author Dave Weigel has turned up in the comments of a blog run by an self-professed Ewok hobo-killer to post snippy rebuttals to a bunch of anonymous readers who jocularly refer to themselves as "Morons."

Textbook case of "punching down."

I dunno.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Moron Horde outnumbered regular Weigel readers.

Posted by: reason at September 28, 2010 02:44 PM (sPO/s)

121

I suppose the point is that I had better steel myself for the day that O'Donnell embarrasses us all by going to Venezuela and huggin on Hugo Chavez.

Are you talking about Sheehan or Obama?

Posted by: VJay at September 28, 2010 04:19 PM (Q/RCp)

122 All you need to know about Douche Weasel:

"Well, I really enjoyed the two and a half years I spent here, and I'm constantly confused as to why mentions of my name lead to a lot of schoolyard insults. I really can't figure out why they do it -- lack of fulfillment seems like a good enough theory. After all, I'm here, and they're where I left them in 2008.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to return to my rewarding job and large circle of friends. I don't know how my ego will ever recover..."

http://tinyurl.com/3ygjj6y

Posted by: RJ at September 28, 2010 04:57 PM (gXVqy)

123

Wow -- never saw that Reason thread before.  What a whiny, self-important little bitch.  He makes Obama look like John Wayne.

Hey everybody, my professional trajectory has taken me from the Reason blog to the soon-to-be-bankrupt Washington Post (where I was canned after about six minutes) to the hallowed halls of amateur webzine Slate.  Suck it, ratfuckers!  Oh, and I have lots of friends and make more money than you!  Don't make me whip out my dick to prove my superiority, either.

And yes, my constantly self-professed awesomeness completely insulates me from any criticism of my shoddy writing, my sleazy collusion with leftist propaganda collectives, or the fact that I just plum don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Ratfuckers.

Posted by: VJay at September 28, 2010 05:39 PM (Q/RCp)

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