1 Please donÂ’t let Obama drag you into a pissing match over the small stuff...

Drew, the Repubs said that if the Dems used cram-down and the nuclear option on this health-care they would lock up all other business in congress for the rest of the year.

I want to see them do that!

2 I will never forgive McCain for saying, in answer to the upset woman's question during a campaign stop, that Obama is a good man. 

3 @5
Oh, wait, that was O/T.  This thread is about Republicans, isn't it?

4 The GOP bet the farm and lost big.

5

2 Mallamutt -

Thanks for the poll numbers on Burr. I have been wondering why people have been saying he was in trouble and I couldn't find any info. 

I find it hard to believe that any Democrat is going to win - but especially now.  And Burr has been very conservative in his voting.  Heck, I think he was in a top 10 list of most conservative senators.

6 7 The GOP bet the farm and lost big.       Sorry, but you got that wrong.  The Democrats bet the farm and America lost big.  I hope you enjoy your government funded health care.  May you never get sick and actually need to axcess any treatment. 

7 3 Wow, I thought Violet would have shown up by now?

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 11:48 AM (V9SYy)

Violet's chili ring is sore!

8 I expect Levin to be on fire tonight, and repeating his hounding of the "There's no difference between the two parties" crowd.

9 Drewsie

You need to go further to the right. That's where the votes are.

10 Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 11:50 AM (QrA9E)

If they frame it right (you can't have this because you spent it all on HCR) great.

If it comes to becomes like the gov't shutdown of the '90s, it's not going to be good. It's hard to win that kind of fight with the President because he's one voice and controls a lot of the narrative.

I'm not saying vote for shit, I'm just saying keep the focus where it belongs, on the big picture and big items. Now if it's shit like cap and trade or immigration...go to the mattresses.

11 I will never forgive McCain for saying, in answer to the upset woman's question during a campaign stop, that Obama is a good man.

I wanted to believe that Obama was a good man. I wanted to believe that if the Dems won, then at the very least, we'd get a competent, moderate guy to be the first black president. I knew better after I'd learned a little about him, but I don't really fault McCain for saying that.

What I do fault McCain for is running to lose.

12 I find it hard to believe that any Democrat is going to win - but especially now.

They're Democrats--they'll cheat.  You don't think Al Franken really had the votes, do you?

Well said, Drew.  I hope they read this.

13 An inspiring piece.

14 Romney jeb bush daniels huckabee pawlenty..all damn cowards! They said next to nothing while this debate was raging and now that it has passed, they come out of the woodwork issuing condemnations! If that is the future of our party, then count me out.

15 Nice, DrewM.  It's true.  We have to talk big now, but there's no reason not to talk small.  The following are our issues:
(1) Lying to the electorate -- both Obama and the Stupakers campaigned as something they weren't.  We need to establish that this is a mostly Democrat trait.
(2) Corruption -- this is easily the most corrupt piece of legislation in history.
(3) Fiscal irresponsibility -- debt, debt, debt (h/t Mallamutt)
(4) Unemployment -- they're creating a hostile work environment.  They're hostile to work.

And one step to framing the philosophical debate is to stop calling it Obamacare.  It's Health Control.

16 Sorry, Drew, I wish I could agree with you but I no longer have the heart even to pretend that there is an American people or an American republic any longer.  The people have been systematically replaced since 1965 and the republic was fatally injured back in 1932.  I understand that your job is to write, to try to remain upbeat, to claim that we fill fight on.  If you truly believe that there are enough genuine patriots in the Senate to make a difference, then you live on the same planet with those who really believe the mythical "people" will make a difference in 2010, or that Obama will ever leave the office of the presidency of his own free will.  I cannot write "Decline and fall" any longer.  Declined and finally fell, 2010.

17 Drew, a superbly and empassioned piece that resonated with me and I hope that it will resonate throughout the readership here and all the way to D.C.!  I agree that the primary aim should be this issue, but we must also keep an eye on the flanks, especially the one concerning the "immigration reform" issue, which was mentioned more than a few times by the dems yesterday during their mouth-farting speeches.  I too saw and heard the concern in the republicans' voices.  But what truly concerned me was the video I saw of a huge wave of pro-amnesty protesters converging on D.C. Their numbers were numerous, there flags from their native lands too many and their signs troublesome.

18 Eat shit, ergie.

19 Bravo, Drew.

20 I knew better after I'd learned a little about him, but I don't really fault McCain for saying that.

Yeah, but you and I didn't sit with him in the Senate. 

There's no way in god's green earth that anyone who spent more than a few hours with this guy in Congress wouldn't know he's a US-hating leftist. 

21 And Burr has been very conservative in his voting.  Heck, I think he was in a top 10 list of most conservative senators.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at March 22, 2010 11:52 AM (GNydv)

Not when it counted.  He's another Stupaker. 

22 Stuff it, ergie.

23 Catch y'all later. 

It's a lovely day in SoCal and - so far - they haven't found a way to tax that!  Off to do some errands. 

24 12 I expect Levin to be on fire tonight, and repeating his hounding of the "There's no difference between the two parties" crowd. Posted by: logprof

Don't get me started on those retarded fuck-sticks.

25 If you want a pick-me-up and can't reach for the Valu-Rite or bacon right now, go to Dan Benishek's f/b page and read some of the comments pouring in from all over the US.  His friend list has exploded by over 13000 adds in less than 24 hours.  Stupak will reap the whirlwind in Nov.  

We have to keep this intensity up through Nov. 2012 and beyond.


http://tinyurl.com/ye5pepn

26 22  Down With Health Care!

Posted by: Great rightwing slogans at March 22, 2010 11:55 AM (vsoRI)

Health care is going down already, troll.  Say hello to your Pakistani-trained doctor -- if you're lucky enough to see him.  We need to repeal fascist Health Control!

27 AG from SC coming on Fox to say they are going to sue!

28 27 Indeed, indeed. It's time to start beating up the Mexicans.

Saddle up, brothers.

Posted by: Great rightwing slogans at March 22, 2010 11:57 AM (vsoRI)

I'm against slave wages, how about you Mr. Liberal compassion?

29

I appreciated this, Drew.  A lot.  Maybe they won't do it, but I for one plan on sending your letter along to my own representative (with credit given, of course).

We're all demoralized this morning.  We're all scared.  I know of no one that's not freaking out over this.

But we can keep fighting.  As a famous man once said, "A Republic. . . if you can keep it."  It's time to fight.  Honor will only be lost if there's no fight. 

Geez, now I want to stand up and sing The Star-Spangled Banner.

Don't let Democrat-style cynicism take you down.  There's plenty of time for bitter snarking, but we need to stay focused.  This is not yet the law of the land.  And when it it, there is no law that cannot be undone.  If enough of us refuse, it cannot stand.  And when we're all in jail, they'll have to give us free healthcare!

30 Slavery: It's OK with me as long as I hold the whip.

31 Spot on, Drew. And while we're at it, can we please stick a fork in the old guard for God's sakes? The Newts, the Mitts, the Hucks. Go away! We've got work to do.

32 Dear Ace,

Fight.

Look, I know we've had our problems in the past, what with you supporting "Progressive Republicans" who can't  win elections and result only in electing Democrats.

All too often, you take on the voice of your opponents. For example, only yesterday you were saying you wanted to "defeat health care." Nobody wanted to defeat health care, but by taking on the speech patterns and slogans that your opponents create, you fell into their trap of portraying Republicans as evil health care withholders.

* You say you want to cut Social Security instead of strengthen it.
* You say you want to cut Medicare, instead of strengthen it.
* You say you want to cut government instead of make it efficient.

In every way, you've adopted the language that your opponent has chosen ... his framing of the debate in his terms. You've accepted his narrative.

So, you lose elections.

And, you lose legislative fights.

You help enshackle us.

Because you won't smarten up.

Because you support candidates like Mitt Romney, who paved the way for ObamaCare by signing into law virtually the exact same type of health care system while he was Governor of Massachusetts - bankrupting the state before he abandoned it.

You rip on Sarah Palin and other conservative candidates because they don't have the polish you deem them to require; and foist on us candidates such as John McCain who have attached their names to laws stripping Americans of their First Amendment right of free speech and association. These are people you know we can't turn out for. People you know we cannot donate to.

And yet, you persist in presenting these as our only viable candidates. The only serious choices. Losers all.

Well, they're not viable. They reach across the aisle to work with Democrats to enact Democrat legislation instead of fighting to the death for the principals that founded the Republican Party.

Just watch ... shortly Lindsey Graham, a Republican scion, will reach across the aisle to work with Democrats to enact their Gitmo legislation. He'll reach across the aisle to work with Democrats to enact their amnesty legislation.

Will you call for his ouster from the Party? Will you demand that no Republican donations go to Lindsay Graham?

Ace, look guy it's been fun. The Anka bit is still funny. Work that side of the street more and you may even be able to continue to make a living blogging.

But you've made a lot of rookie political mistakes recently. It's time for you to look in the mirror and admit that you are part of the problem. That you have to change. That you've been in denial. That you've helped do real damage to your country.

It's time for you to become a Conservative and help rid your party of those who would reach across the aisle and in a bi-partisan fashion enact Democrat Party legislation.

You know who these people are. I don't have to spell it out for you.

You know what to do.

Do the right thing.

33 25 I knew better after I'd learned a little about him, but I don't really fault McCain for saying that.

Yeah, but you and I didn't sit with him in the Senate. 

There's no way in god's green earth that anyone who spent more than a few hours with this guy in Congress wouldn't know he's a US-hating leftist. 
    But I get the impression that Barry wasn't there much, and when he was he showed up late and such (probably left early too--you know to shoot some hoops, catch a show or work on his bracket).  The dude's not used to working--I think that's why we were seeing all those "Obama's depressed" stories a couple weeks ago.

34 You untermenschen don't need surgery.  Here's some aspirin for your pain.

35

Health care is going down already, troll.  Say hello to your Pakistani-trained doctor -- if you're lucky enough to see him.  We need to repeal fascist Health Control!

Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2010 11:58 AM (T0NGe)

If you like your Pakistani Doctor, you can keep your Pakistani Doctor.

36 Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 11:59 AM (V9SYy)

That's why it's so hard to fight a President. He's one guy who by definition is good a keeping cool. There are over 200 congressional Republicans and not all are ready for prime time but only one of them has to say something dumb and all of them get killed.

The difference between now and 95-96 is the economy. It was hard to sell fiscal responsibility in that climate. It's a lot easier now.

37 The GOP bet the farm and lost???

BS...the commie vampire Democrats voted to steal our earnings and our private healthcare.  Moochers and looters all.

Andy Rand must be collecting his loot.

You and your ilk should be/will be hung by the neck until dead....like the common horse thieves your are.

38 We need more Paul Ryans.

39

Hi, itÂ’s me Drew.

 

 

 

Drew, this cracked me up.  It reminded me of when people start praying to God after a "little hiatus" from talking to him, and when they're really desperate.

40 Don't worry, someone else will pay for it.

41 Everyone should go over to Nat Review and read Derbyshire's antidote to all the pollyannish bs on all of the conservative blogs.  The natural state of humanity is serfdom.  Bush et al were wrong - people don't strive for freedom, they strive for security.  The Founders were aberrations.  In the mid-phase of the Iraq war look how many were willing to live under Sadr's homicidal thugs as long as it brought a halt to bombing in their neighborhood.

The GOP is about to get a lesson in the real nature of the electorate.  Like the Brits and Canadians, a consistent majority will prefer the certainty of "free" poor government care rather than the tumult of the marketplace.  The only really unpopular part of Obamacare is the taxes.  Convert it to debt and the Dems would surf a popular wave to victory in Nov.

42 http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2180/repeal.jpg
repeal

43 Remember during the SOTU when Obama promised PAY/GO in 2011.  I do.  Hold him to it, Republicans.  The mini-kerfluffle Bunning started will be happening on a daily basis if Republicans hold Obama to his promise: every government expenditure must be paid for, not borrowed against some future tax or government-backed debt.

I know it will be tough - no one outside the conservative blogosphere has actually held Obama to one of his pie-in-the-sky promises.  Lord knows the media won't - but you should.

44

Anyone who is considering an elective surgery of any sort better get it done before this piece of crap goes into effect or you may not get it at all.

 

45 If you want to write stirring speeches you might want to think about dropping the pop references. Just my take. As soon as I read "Admiral Ackbar" I stopped reading.

46

From the Corner:

...shame on the New York Times for comparing those who protested the DemocratsÂ’ health-care policy with the virulent southern racists who participated in violent and often deadly protests against civil-rights demonstrators. Give us a break.

The LeftÂ’s plan for November is to promote exactly this kind of thinking, shaming opponents into staying at home rather than going to the polls to vote the bums out, while fooling proponents that opposition is nothing more than the most atavistic form of prejudice.

That's Ploy #1. Ploy #2 is "think of the children and don't be mean" which we saw earlier on the Headline thread. That wasn't a person, that was only a ploy.

Don't know how many more they'll come up with, but I don't care. What they think of us is not important. Actually, it's what they claim they think of us, isn't it?

 

47 Here comes Rush. 

48 Rush on

49 Children are expensive so abort them.

50 Taxes aren't so bad if you just don't pay them.

51 Damn, Drew!

After reading some namby-pamby "play by the rules" bullshit over at Tepid Air, I was hoping you (or one of the other Big Cheeses here) would realize one point made obvious last night:

As far as Papa Doc Obama, the Traitor-in-Chief and his cadre of America-haters are concerned, the "rules" are over. Dead. finito. They consider themselves the sole arbiters of what's good for our new USSA Constitution? Bill of Rights? Fuggeddaboutit.

Supporting the current crop of Repubs in office is not a valid solution. We have to somehow find, and support, real conservatives. Just voting "no" or voicing opposition to the Death Plan from the safety of a broadcast booth or web page ain't cutting it.

In short, we have to organize and use the same playbook as the friggin' traitors if we are to survive. Fight ugly, fight hard, but FIGHT! Start -- and push -- the drive to impeach the Chicago Jesus, start recall drives wherever legally possible, work in every legal way to kill the Beast.

If we can't do that, the only options will be taking to the streets or capitulating to our new Soviet masters.

52 Posted by: Salem at March 22, 2010 12:05 PM (86rbG)

It's Ace of Spades HQ, not Henry V

53 Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 22, 2010 11:55 AM (UOM4

Could you please tell us more about your island paradise?  *sob*

54 Screw the Constitution.  Just words written by old white guys.

55 FUBAR, believe me, I wish.

56 And erg's still got nothing.

57 It's good to see that the conservative blogs are using the term "socialist" rather than liberal or Democratic party. It's about time.

58 Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 11:59 AM (V9SYy)

Did you see that post I had about that Clinton episode earlier this morning from that "patriot's History of the U.S." that I finished last night?

It seems that there was a memo that showed that the shutdown was planned in advance before Newt had even came up with a budget. The idea was to cause a gov shutdown regardless of what was submitted and to get the press to help them blame it on the Repubs. .

59

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."

 

I remember reading that somewhere, once...

60 Unemployment, taxes and debt will be in the voters minds in the fall.  Deathcare is related to all of these.  I am not sure where the stock market will be at the time since it is my belief (conspiracy theory) that the fed is propping it up.

Nevertheless, the House of Reps is in reach and this is good.

61

Anyone who is considering an elective surgery of any sort better get it done before this piece of crap goes into effect or you may not get it at all.

 

 

With the 5% surtax on plastic surgery procedures, a lot of the Precedent's Hollywood supporters are going to be in a world of hurt.  In the next 4 years, Celebutards will be stocking up on Botox and Restalyne like morons and value-rite.  Aging Hollywood actresses hardest hit (especially in this age of high def and all).  I will laugh my butt off when all these idiots get kicked to the curb for younger, prettier girls.  Implants will be taxed for the procedure and for the silicone/saline filled sacs (medical device tax).  I love unintended consequences.

62

great rightwing slogans  

Violet, is that you?

63 Anyone see Al Sharpton on Fox come right out and say that anyone who voted for Teh Won was voting for socialism?  They're not even trying to hide it anymore.  These bastards have no shame.

Rush just compared Stupak to Neville Chamberlain.  Perfect.

64 Waddaya mean, broke? China has plenty of money to lend to us!

65

Rush is slammin' Stupidpak.

 

66 Not when it counted.  He's another Stupaker.

Hell, he had an ACU rating of 100 last year. You can't get much better than that.

Do you have some examples?

67 Mitch McConnell even kept the Maine sisters and George Voinivich on board. ThatÂ’s a manÂ’s day work right there by anyone's accounting.

No, shit. Do you know how much I sweated getting those friggin' yachts she calls shoes stuffed into the closet before I could lock it up tight for 4 months?

68 61 Screw the Constitution.  Just words written by old white guys, who didn't know how to dress and a really long time ago.  Times have changed.  We've evolved.  We're so much smarter now.

69
We need the party to step up.  But, we need to step up too.

Perfection isn't on the menu.
Crazy won't get it done.
We need to focus.
Fighting the corrupt liars in the democrat party is where we can all agree.

70 We have no abortion in our time.

71 73 Not when it counted.  He's another Stupaker.

Hell, he had an ACU rating of 100 last year. You can't get much better than that.

Do you have some examples?

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 12:12 PM (QrA9E)

My bad.  I was thinking of another Senator.  My apologies.

72 Death to America!

73 Go, Rush, go.  He's on fire.  Preach it!

74 Obama Akbar!

75

Rush - "We need to defeat these bastards."

Amen, brother.

 

76 Freedom is overrated!

77
"America cannot afford the Democrat party."
America does not want more social welfare.

78 Rush is awesome today... as usual

79 51 If you want to write stirring speeches you might want to think about dropping the pop references. Just my take. As soon as I read "Admiral Ackbar" I stopped reading.

Posted by: Salem at March 22, 2010 12:05 PM (86rbG)

These wounds I had on Crispin's Day...

80 Great post. Too bad it's about two, and maybe more like four, fucking years too late.

All the people who said that whiny little bitches were making a huge mistake by sitting home and acting like they were actually making a political statement worth anything in 2006 and 2008 have been fully vindicated. You assholes sat at home, you put on your holier-than-thou get-up, and we can thank you for the results. Great job.

81

There's no way in god's green earth that anyone who spent more than a few hours with this guy in Congress wouldn't know he's a US-hating leftist. 

Remember McCain's letter to Obama?

As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your partyÂ’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isnÂ’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

Feb '06.

82

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part........

 
We're just the guys to do it.

83

ps.  Repubs, I want to ask one more little thing in addition to all the above.  I want you to smack down the professional race-baiters that keep lying about the values of conservatives.  I want to see Congressman Lewis deposed under oath about his accusations.  I want to see the videos his staff took subpoenaed and the Capital Police ask him to identify the moment the alleged slurring and spitting occured, with a view to identifying the culprit.  I want to see the offical communications from the police concerning whether there was a suspect detained or not read into the record of the House.  I was to see Rep. Lewis challenged to take a polygraph test.

Are you getting my drift here, Pubbies?  I want you to see me as an offended and insulted party for a change, and I want to hear your balls clank as you go after these bastards in Congress and the media who are defaming me!  When do I get some respect?  If I don't start seeing some action on this, you know, I just may come to the conclusion that both sides of the House need to be fumigated this November, capice'??

84

Dear GOP;

My community is almost 90% Republican, yet we are stuck in the 53rd California congressional district that has been gerrymandered into a Dem +14 (Cook Partisan Voting Index). I am now stuck with a former social worker that graduated from Berkeley and has now held that district longer than any congressman since Truman. You allowed my vote to be stolen and left me disenfranchised. Why?

What makes you think you deserve anything from me now?

 

Jim in San Diego

85 Thank you for your hard work.  It allows us to be on the dole.

86 Lefty trolls do serve a purpose.  They remind us how a communist community organizer became POTUS.  Poor little trolls.  How surprised they'll be when their taxes go up the next four years, and they still don't have their "free" stuff. 

87 Fox and the AG from SC said that there are 38 States now who will join the suit.

88 Thanks Drew : )

Rush sounding resigned and pissy.

89

I want the GOP to fillibuster *EVERYTHING*.  No matter how petty or small.  The dictator needs to learn that there's a price to pay for his arrogance, and if the GOP doesn't start making him pay, the people will rise.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

90 I want you to see me as an offended and insulted party for a change, and I want to hear your balls clank as you go after these bastards in Congress and the media who are defaming me!

+1

91 Fox and the AG from SC said that there are 38 States now who will join the suit.

Now that's historic.

92 We will give no health care before its time!

93

The mood at work this morning:  people are PISSED.  Even people who I had no idea felt that way.  The non-PISSED people get PISSED when they are informed of the details.  The co-worker from emigrated from the Soviet Union: PISSED.

FIGHT!

94 If they frame it right (you can't have this because you spent it all on HCR) great.


I really like that.  I'd add "and the stimulus bill."

Sorry, New York!  We can't bail you out, we gave you all that money in the stimulus bill, and now we're tapped out.  You should have used it for fixing bridges instead of cash-for-baby-mamas.

95 I'm with you, Drew.

When the Republicans openly acknowledge the Democrats resoundingly declared war on the citizenry this weekend, that's when I'll support the RNC with money.  For now, it's individuals.

96 Not really OT -

Just heard on the radio that the police are looking for people who threw bricks through Dem party locations in Niagara Falls and Rochester.  I believe the NF location was Louise Slaughter's office, but not sure about the Rochester location.

Any other local stories out there like this?  I imagine the MSM will put a damper on these sorts of stories, so unless locals get the word out, no one will know.

97 What needs to happen now is a constitutional amendment against the government either forcing you to purchase health care insurance or having a public option single payer system.

98 In Soviet America health care controls you.

99 Lots of eyores on here today.  Not listening to you.  It's time to get busy and do as Rush says ... DEFEAT THESE BASTARDS!

100 The Democrats may have sunk their Arizona last night... but they have no fucking clue what they've just awakened.

101

Dear GOP:

Someday you'll have control again.  Remember these tactics.  Turnabout is fair play.

102 I am with Rush. Vote the bastards out and vote in CONSERVATIVES!

103 Will Barry's Hellcare give me a new liver?  This last week's been kinda tough.

104

Dear GOP:

Someday you'll have control again.  Remember these tactics.  Turnabout is fair play.

Fukkin-A. I want to see Botox's eyeballs bugging out as she takes the place of the chicken.

105 What up?

106 I imagine the MSM will put a damper on these sorts of stories

Hrm.  I imagine the MSM will bleat on about how the tyrants are "innocent victims of evil violent teabaggers!"  I'd prefer it happen like you imagine.

107 A comment by a reader of a local forum, who backed this Obamination: "Let us all whack off to some Ronald Regan movies. Who's in? Ok let's make sure we do this in synchronization. Timmayy....Classfied...you guys ready? Ok on my mark. 1...2...oh I told you guys to wait for me! I love the sound of fear in the hearts of the masses." My reply: "It is amazing the deafness of one who mistakes the sound of rage for that of fear."

108 Letting people with expensive conditions die is the compassionate thing to do!

109 Hey coppers--I'M BRICKTHROWER!!!

110 amnesty
acorn fully funded
free elections...ha ha

leader forever

help us be like the russians..they have figured ways around things...they are now a nation of thugs. 

teach us how to become smarter than the govt.

111 Suck it, geezers!

112 The insidious part of this bill (or the genius of it, depending) is that now the GOP will either become a) the funders of it (they will have to raise taxes to do this) or b) the dismantlers of it (they will have to declare National Bankruptcy to do this). Neither of these are good choices.

113 Hrm.  I imagine the MSM will bleat on about how the tyrants are "innocent victims of evil violent teabaggers!"  I'd prefer it happen like you imagine.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 12:26 PM (mR7mk)

Well...not sure about that.  First, I haven't heard either of these events "go national" yet.  Maybe the story has been picked up, but at least one of these happened on Friday, as I remember hearing about the NF brick then.  Why wouldn't the MSM take it national?  Perhaps they've decided that "the teabaggers are unhinged!" isn't a message that's working for them anymore, and they are keeping it quiet to isolate people.

114 105 Not really OT -

Just heard on the radio that the police are looking for people who threw bricks through Dem party locations in Niagara Falls and Rochester.  I believe the NF location was Louise Slaughter's office, but not sure about the Rochester location.

Any other local stories out there like this?  I imagine the MSM will put a damper on these sorts of stories, so unless locals get the word out, no one will know.
      The media will breathlessly cover it as unhinged, dangerous teabaggers.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was acutally some DUer or Kos Kid who broke the windows--kind of like those nooses that appear in various strategic locations (like college campuses of black professors, etc.)  I'm not going to assume it was a Tea Partier that broke this window.  The Dems have already come out with their "racial/homophobic slurs" cast at the demonstration on Sat.  They are trying to marginalize and destroy this movement because they had to expend way too much political capital to get this health care bill passed (which should have been a cakewalk with their pre-Scott Brown majorities).  

115 Now, if those 38 State AGs were to have a common piece of pending legislation with instructions for an Article 5 convention behind them, Washington might notice the exist.

116

I'm gonna finish my coffee then head to the driving range. I feel the need to hit something--HARD!

 

117 If the Republicans can toss in the 100 trillion in unfunded mandates when they get the US to declare bankruptcy, that might well be worth the pain.

118

As I sit here, I'm in a great deal of pain.

My right shoulder feels like there's a hot needle in it. I cannot raise my arm above my shoulder. I've lost about half the range of motion in my arm and everyday tasks such as showering are becoming increasingly difficult to do. I cannot sleep on my right side anymore. Sleep uninterrupted by pain is now a dream.

I'v been out of a job for over two years thanks to the manufacturing downturn. I've exhausted all of my savings. I have no insurance and no money to see a doctor. I've been to a clinic and was prescribed NSAIDs which my heart doctors nixed after 5 days due to the harm they caused my kidneys (verified by blood tests).

I may need surgery, as I fear something may have torn and be rubbing on a nerve.

I cannot afford it.

I do not know what to do.

119 I AM BRICKTHROWER!

I'm in Niagara Falls as I write this! It could be me!

120

 I cannot write "Decline and fall" any longer.  Declined and finally fell, 2010.

Then now what for you?

The natural state of humanity is serfdom.  Bush et al were wrong - people don't strive for freedom, they strive for security.  The Founders were aberrations.

Yet again - Half right.

The founders were not aberrations. The founders were 10-30% (at most, at peak) who really didn't give a shit what the others wanted of what they weren't entitled - by God or by Nature - to have. Consent alone validating government to do whatever it pleased was regarded by them as the tyranny of the mob.

There is an objective reality in which there are objective truths. Consensus does not make reality.

10-30% of the population, if active enough, can easily control the whole of it. It almost always does. Ruling classes were never the largest by number.

The left of today need not have majorities to ultimately win, if they pursue what they want without concern for whether or not consensus supports them.

121 40 You untermenschen don't need surgery.  Here's some aspirin for your pain.

Posted by: Great leftwing slogans at March 22, 2010 12:02 PM (tcMQZ)

 

 

And by aspirin, you actually mean cyanide, Herr Pelosi?

122 I disagree.  It is too late.  It is now time to put on your party face and start convincing yourself and others that you are now and always have been a loyal democrat.  It's a new country people.  If give me liberty or give me death is your thing, well more power to you.  For everyone else:  you need to lower the profile.

123

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2010 12:30 PM (i3AsK)

 

Sorry to hear of your troubles.  It could be your rotator cuff. 

124

If a person is a Democrat, from here on out he/she is dead to me. No conversation, no help, no business, nothing. Screw them all, the thieving, lying, racist bastards. If very many people are as angry as I am, we're not far off from civil war.

125 The push to repeal the bill needs to fundamentally attack on more than just the straight repeal plan. There are steps that can be taken that will not repeal any of this obamnation, but still turn large slices of it into effective dead letters.

Take Medical Savings Accounts. If, and yes - big if, people had piles of money in existing MSAs, they'd be doing a lot more shopping around. Not for everything (duh), you need help for a heart attack -> you need it now. But the vast majority of service is fundamentally elective in how quickly one needs it, and competition in related aspects would still reduce even the cost of 'non-elective' care.

So (1): Let's at least set the freaking things up, even if they're empty. (2) Set up a framework where you can get your own damn money into it. (3) I don't even mind a tiny bit of free-government-cheese in this particular trap.

What if you put a 5% mandate on every single insurance company: "Thou shalt return 5% of every premium into a tax free account." That's going to obviously mean an immediate 5%(ish) increase in insurance premiums... but after just one year 75% of people will have enough money in the account to move up to a higher deductible level! That, in turn, means they pay less in premiums - and probably means they actually pay less in the second year than they did in the year before this plan was enacted. (Even going from $0 deductible to $100 deductibles is a sizable improvement for lots of things.)

There are also ways to approach assistance for the bottom quintile and any other group. Picture your account with two separate numbers - a deposit-only number (think just a unique name), and a completely separate withdrawal arrangement (I picture a credit card with big freaking "Medical Only" on it... and the first four digits as being unique to this card. Auto-blocked at grocery stores, etc.) A pin sounds good too.

Regardless: Private John Doe's 'deposit' number is something that can -not- be used to deduct money. Just like knowing his name allows you to write a check to him - but doesn't allow you to withdraw a damn thing. But there are duplicate names - so we need unique numbers instead.

But John's a veteran - and one of the many organizations for helping vets gets his number and publishes it "Vets who could use help." The NAACP would be doing something mechanically similar with less valid reasoning. You could have a field on the 1040EZ "My total assets are less than $500,000, my deposit number is 123321" filter that through to limit it to the bottom quintile in income as well -> you have an instant pile of screened numbers for charitable donations. And the assurance that it will be medical spending.

Regardless, if you have 'deposit numbers' you can at least start down this path. And it doesn't fundamentally cost the government anything. Not a happy thing for insurance companies in the short or long term, but they rolled over and played dead through this entire fight anyway - and - the only real danger is if everyone ends up completely self-insured. Mighty unlikely.

126 Just home on a quick lunch break, but wanted to stop in and say thanks for this post, Drew (can access mu.nu but minx.cc is blocked dagnabbit).

127 Civil disobedience is the next step.

128 I disagree.  It is too late.  It is now time to put on your party face and start convincing yourself and others that you are now and always have been a loyal democrat.  It's a new country people.  If give me liberty or give me death is your thing, well more power to you.  For everyone else:  you need to lower the profile.

Posted by: doug at March 22, 2010 12:32 PM (dxxkS)

Hey doug, how does satan's cock taste?

129 America is the evilest country evar

130 Mr. Get Along writes a post about fighting.  Classic.  FYNQ.

131

I do not know what to do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2010 12:30 PM (i3AsK)

I'm sorry BWB.  Can you go to an ER...not a clinic...a real ER?  What state/area are you in?  Maybe another moron knows a doc in your area that would be able to help you. 

132

Read title and author only. FYI.

133

I wouldn't be surprised if it was acutally some DUer or Kos Kid who broke the windows--kind of like those nooses that appear in various strategic locations (like college campuses of black professors, etc.)  I'm not going to assume it was a Tea Partier that broke this window. 

Would it be so terrible if it was a Tea Partier?

What congress has done to us does NOT warrant a broken window pane?

134 Drew, good stuff!  unified.  doesn't have to be forever but for right now.

135 Sieg heil!

136 Pelvis,

Honest question...what issue have I advocated a 'go along' position on?

137

Thanks, y'all. I'm down here in Orlando. The ER may be my only resort. Not that they'll look forward to treating me, I still have a large stack of bills from my heart attack that I'm inable to pay. My point, aside from whining, is now that we're the proud recipients of government largesse, who do I see to get treated, now. Not in four years, now.

But if this doesn't get any better, I may have no choice.

On the bright side, if I could find a doctor that really likes a clean car and wants to work something out, well...

138 Fight? Why fight? The media will just make us look crazy. If rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it. The Dems will keep their seats after this, Obama is heading back to 80 percent popularity, the teabaggers are finished. We were just out foxed, we're fucked, deal with it.

139 The pathetic thing is that Obamacare will not slow the bastards down. You can feel the energy sapping out of the GOP and the Dems are emboldened now. They're going full steam ahead (a la last scene in The Perfect Storm) into the cesspool of European statism. I have no faith in the GOP to stop any of it. None. Rush is issuing the call today---every Democrat who voted for this needs to be targeted (politically of course for you liberal trolls) in November and for the grassroots to elect conservatives....REAL conservatives. This is not just about 2010, not just about 2012. It's about a fundamental change in the relationship we have with our government. (See Steyn's columns the last few weeks). This shit has to stop...

140 The Gop can't stop it, so they shouldn't even object. Why bother? The media will make us look mean if we actually oppose anything. Mark my words, in 20 years your kids will be living under La Raza.

141

My right shoulder feels like there's a hot needle in it. I cannot raise my arm above my shoulder. I've lost about half the range of motion in my arm and everyday tasks such as showering are becoming increasingly difficult to do.

Sorry to hear. I have troubles with both shoulders. Yoga and other soft gentle stretching help greatly. Not immediately, but after at least a few days.

If you can get it to stop hurting bunches, make sure you keep moving it in different directions.

Might be related to how/on what you are sleeping.

But--read about bursitis and other stuff before stretching. Usually I need to stretch more, but sometimes the answer is not moving it and icing it a ton.

If you have a chunk of calcuim in there, it's painful, but easily treated with a shot, at worse.

Disclaimer about me not knowing much of anything, just sharing my experiences.

142

I'm not going to assume it was a Tea Partier that broke this window. 

The brick had a note attached, which read “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice,” credited to Barry Goldwater, said Democratic Committee spokesman Sean Hart.

Seems doubtful it wasn't.

143 Stop all this bickering! We just look mean. Embrace the oppression!

144

Drew,

I would modify the following sentence like so:

"You guys are going to be asked to do something youÂ’re not necessarily equipped to do...stand up and act like an American."

145 I don't get the Frum idea that this is the GOP's waterloo.

and strangely, that's the astroturf theme of the day.  Is he part of this LGF Andrew Sullivan fake GOP thing?  Seems obvious that he is.

If the GOP hadn't fought so hard, the people wouldn't be against this bill, it would have passed a year ago, and if would be much worse than it already is.  The GOP simply didn't have the numbers to do better, but came damn close and had a lot of dems join in.

Sorry, Frum, this isn't what Waterloo looks like.  The is the GOP's Alamo, if anything.  We were outnumbered, and outgunned, and had every disadvantage, and we lost, however we lost a much more narrow loss than the odds provided.

We have nothing to be ashamed of, and I'm damn proud to be a republican.  I see no way Frum's POV makes any sense for conservatives.  Sure, if you're a beltway republican, you just lost big on some sweet backroom payola.  That's the only downside to fighting injustice, you dumbass, Frum.

146

Thanks, Mama AJ. I'd stretch if I could manage the pain, but beyond a certain point, I hurt so much I'm almost in tears. So much for being Mr. Tough Guy...

I thought it was unusual that the D.O. at the clinic didn't examine or even touch my shoulder, didn't discuss any treatment options, she seeemed more concerned that I was trying to score cheap painkillers. Thanks, but if that's all I wanted, I wouldn't have called her. I know people who know people, IYKWIM.

Agains, thanks everyone. If anyone knows a doctor in the Orlando or Central Florida area that might be of assistance, let me know.

147 See, Drew, I knew you were my favorite.  Well put. 

148 Don't be surprised if a lot more glass gets broken in the next few days. The widespread, palpable anger I'm seeing (and feeling) is--unprecedented. That anger is going to find expression.

149 Hear, hear!

While those fucks over at Daily Kooks are talking about their "win" (oh never mind that most of them were bitching and moaning 2 weeks ago that this wasn't liberal enough) and talking about how Obama now has momentum, I say fuck 'em.  I say that have woken up voters of a conservative mindset.  This is day 1.  We start here.

And momentum?  Where's your 60th vote jokers?  You got jack.  And you will not get jack done until election day.  Try immigration reform.. just try it.. pleeease.. I beg you..

150 We know that the Sharpton crew riots when they don't get their way.  People die.

whether a few Tea partiers threw bricks, or it was just democrats pretending (again), I think it's remarkable how well behaved such a huge and passionate group is over such a horrible bill passing.

3 windows?  Democrats burned down the governor's mansion in Texas, and tried to blow up the GOP convention in 2008.  A democrat communist flew a plane into an IRS building.  Obama's best friend/babysitter tried to blow up US Soldiers. 

Crazy people exist on all sides and corners, but I just haven't seen the crazies on the right yet.  Broken windows hardly qualifies.  Even if a few crazy right wingers get violent (and they shouldn't so long as we have the vote), I won't see that as anything but the normal noise of our system now.

151

I'd like to believe that the R's will fight back but after they recently left Bunning twist on his own for calling the Dems for ignoring their own recently passed Paygo , I think we are royally scerwed. 

152 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2010 01:01 PM (i3AsK)

I wouldn't stretch.  If you have a tear in there or impingement syndrome, you'll be doing more harm than good. 

Repost your original post here on the current thread.  Maybe a moron there that's in your area.

153 she seemed more concerned that I was trying to score cheap painkillers.

The DEA is cracking down on docs who write "unnecessary" scripts for abusers.  At my dad's last job, every other new patient who came in with some sort of pain was on a list the local docs circulated of known drug-seekers. 

It's a damn shame you can't get an appointment with someone who has seen you before and knows your history.

154 Right on, Drew.  Very well put.

155

Shirley, you can't be serious!

 

156 165 she seemed more concerned that I was trying to score cheap painkillers.

The DEA is cracking down on docs who write "unnecessary" scripts for abusers.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:10 PM (mR7mk)

Don't you love it when the government gets involved with your health-care decisions?

157 I hope we never forget that it is PRIMARY ELECTIONS where we should fight for true conservatives. If we lose that fight and end up with a more "liberal" Republican nominee, we will be sorry if we don't fight FOR them and AGAINST the Democrat. It is never better to just hand the Dem the seat and hope to take it back later. Give the Dem power and he WILL use it and then some. What would have happened this weekend if just a few more "liberal" Republicans were representing a few more liberal districts instead of all those "conservative" Democrats representing conservative districts?

I hope we never forget that a "liberal" Republican is always better than a "conservative" Democrat. Hopefully conservatives will get more engaged and fewer and fewer races will come down to this choice, but we must make the right choice if it does.

I hope we never forget that we will be the ones schooled if we "sit out" an election to teach someone a lesson.

Conservatives who were mad about the spending, which looks positively thrifty now, and decided to sit out need to reflect on the stupidity of that decision and what it has cost us not just in dollars.

158

@148  Backwards Boy:

My brother is in a similar situation–unemployed, no insurance. He was able to get hernia surgery at very little cost through a local physician-led organization that provides low-cost medical care for people in need and without resources. We are in Tenn. Here itÂ’s called KAPA.  I did a brief search for something similar in your area. Found PLAN in Collier County, but nothing so far in Orange Co. With some research, you may be able to find something that serves your county and for which you may qualify.

Sorry I couldnÂ’t come up with a specific for you; I was reading these posts during lunch break and am out of time. Just an idea, but maybe worth a try. Best wishes.

159 Well said, Drew. This open letter has my proxy signature, or whatever.

160 Men born without freedom will give their lives to obtain it for their families, their children, and their countries if they get half a chance. Men born with freedom are, many of them, too willing to trade it in for a few temporary goodies.

161 The few lefties in my family are all ga-ga over this passing in their comments on FB.  "We did it!" and the like.  Snarky posts get typed from me about the country I used to live in and not having to travel to Europe anymore because it's here, then deleted.  Ahhh, family, gotta love 'em anyway. 

BTW Drew, good post.

162 It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.

163 Fighting is not just up to the elected Republicans. It is up to us. We need to go after EVERY Democrat EVERYWHERE. And not just elected officials -- their families, friends, supporters, subordinates, and so on, with the full "Trig Palin Treatment." Do to them what was done to Sarah Palin and her family. Dig up EVERY, and I mean EVERY nasty, dirty, ugly, stupid, and mean fact about Democrats, their families, their supporters, and publicize it. If Nancy Pelosi's kids got arrested, were in rehab, were involved in domestic violence, had credible allegations, or that of her financial backers, or aides, I want to know about it. EVERYWHERE. I want a full scale investigation and indictment of everyone around her, and herself, based on anything ugly. Go after Barack and Michelle Obama on the Gerald Walpin - Kevin Johnson scandal. Ask what did they know, and when did they know it. Moreover, define in the public eye (this is what Sullivan and Couric and Fey did to Palin) that Obama, Pelosi, Stupak, and the rest are not just odious themselves, but THEIR FAMILIES are venal, stupid, ugly and disgusting. TOTAL SCORCHED EARTH. Leave no stone unturned to dig up anything ugly (and true) about them. I want to know credible allegations that Obama's daughters used racial epithets about Whites and Asians. Posed with Farrakhan and the like. Some will argue that this is too far, crosses the bounds of decency, and makes people look bad. SURE, if Mike Pence or John Boehner do it. But Andrew Sullivan, knew what he was doing. By going after Trig Palin, the way Letterman went after Willow and Bristol Palin, both defined the Palin family is "icky and yucky" to the general public. Creating a widespread cultural aversion to Palin and therefore Republican politics. It was very clever. We need to do the same thing. In case you didn't notice, last night Government NOW CONTROLS if you live or die based on health care allocation. Right now unless you are blessed enough to be born non-White (I wish I was not White) you will be last in line. The stakes are not being thought of as a Sullivan. The stakes are your LIFE. If you will die in agony denied medical care that could easily save you because the resources are needed for Black and Hispanic people, or if you live. If you want to live -- go after Pelosi, Reid, Obama, AND THEIR FAMILIES AND BACKERS.

164 "Posted by: whiskey at March 22, 2010 02:50 PM (L03mw)" Hmm...does this supersede your "healthcare for white people only" plan you advocated yesterday?

165 2010: WE'RE NOT THE PARTY OF NO, WE'RE THE PARTY OF HELL NO. We need to own that shit. The left has it stuck in their little minds that saying "no" is always a negative (shocking, right?); I heard "party of no" repeated 100+ times by the MSM yesterday.

166 Hey doug I'll lower my profile when they lower me into the fucking ground. I really hope you were trying to be snarky and not just a total pussy.

167

GOP - foh a small fee, I'd offuh y'all the followin' advice (plus it butters up the wife foah sum nookie later):

It's the 'conomy, stupid !

ObamaCare = wreckin' the 'conomy.  Amnesty = wreckin' the 'conomy.  Cap and Trade = supuh-dupuh wreckin' the 'conomy.

Now go vote GOP - they'll fix that 'conomy AND cut yoah taxes !  Yee-hah !

Problem solved.  Now wheah's mah money ?

 

 

 

 

168 I wouldn't be surprised if it was acutally some DUer or Kos Kid who broke the windows

Been a lot of Reischtag fires lately hasn't there?  ...I'm just saying.

169

Dear DrewM:

Thank you for your letter of March 22, 2010.  As you know, the issue of Health Care Reform is a critical matter to us, as it is to all Americans.  Please know that we in the Republican Party are fully committed to ensuring fair and equitable reforms for everyone in our great nation.  Can we count on your support during this important time?  A donation of $25, $50, $100, or more will help us guarantee that Americans get the health care that they deserve.

Please note that we will not be expending any political capital in this fight.  We are holding it in reserve for truly important issues.  By the way, have you filled out the contribution form enclosed herewith?  If you use our new DirectBleed option. you can set up a monthly gift on $25, $50, $100, or more directly from your bank account.

We can haz munny naow?

Love,

The GOP.

170 Between Ace and IMAO I have at least some confidence that there are people out there who aren't wallowing in the filth of this mess and going 'AMERICA IS OVER!'  Politics in this nation are cyclical and trust me, this will be one of the fastest turn arounds for a congress ever.

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