November 24, 2010

Debt/Deficit Reduction: Will Obama Again be AWOL? [rdbrewer]
— Open Blogger

Last year, Obama was criticized for not taking the lead on health care reform. After Scott Brown's election in Massachusetts, Obama's involvement in the negotiatons evaporated. At one point, even Al Franken took David Axlerod aside to ask why the Whitehouse wasn't doing more to help. Franken joined Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown in public criticism of the Whitehouse role. That was around the time Obama turned over health care reform to Nancy Pelosi for the most part.

Now for delegation of leadership, part II. A while back, the Whitehouse charged Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson with discovering what could be done about the debt/deficit. Obama made them co-chairs of the bi-partisan Debt Commission. Good so far. But since the time of their November 10th draft proposal, liberals and conservatives alike have been grousing, since both spending cuts and tax increases have been proposed. On the plus side, there has been scant praise--which is better than no praise. What is a politican like Obama to do? Well, he could duck and cover like he did when Scott Brown was elected.

Yet missing from the conversation in any kind of forceful way has been the president himself. When former Senator Simpson and Mr. Bowles, President Clinton's former chief of staff, put out their draft plan (in a surprise move three weeks before the final report's Dec. 1 due date), Obama was in Asia. A spokesman said he would wait for the final report before commenting.

Obama's Nov. 13 radio address did take a baby step toward committing on fiscal matters: In addressing earmarks, he spoke of putting "our country on the path of fiscal discipline and responsibility."

But Obama probably can't rely on others to do the heavy lifting. Few observers expect the fiscal commission to reach the supermajority needed – 14 out of 18 members, most of them politically sensitive members of Congress – to approve a final report. That means Congress is likely not to face a vote on its recommendations.

But final report or not, Obama has an opportunity to demonstrate leadership on a matter of central national importance. Dec. 1 "should mark the handing of the torch to the president to start running with this issue," says Maya MacGuineas, director of the Fiscal Policy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.

The proposal has many worthwhile elements. For example, federal payroll would be cut by 10%. The spending cuts in the plan amount to twice the debt/deficit reduction as do the tax increases.

A week after the Debt Commission released its draft proposal, another bi-partisan committee headed by Alice Rivlin and Pete Domenici released a even tougher proposal. But I'm suspicious of a plan that introduces a federal sales tax without replacing the income tax. Regardless, there are many avenues toward reducing the debt/deficit--many excellent bits and pieces in these plans--and it is looking like Obama will again be AWOL. He's missing an excellent opportunity to take the lead and cobble together a workable plan from these parts. Maybe he could put Nancy Pelosi on it.

Thanks to Gabriel Malor.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:23 AM | Comments (38)
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1 See, the problem is that the commissioners thought that their job was to come up with a series of recommendations for the President that would reduce the deficit, and President Obama thought that their job was to give him political cover...

Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2010 10:27 AM (yY28H)

2 Of course he's AWOL.  If he actually stood for something he would no longer be able to pretend to be "above it all."  So, instead of showing his ignorance, his handlers have him well trained to stand back and sneer in disdain.

It may be the only piece of wisdom he knows, but even BHO has figured out "it's better to stand silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 24, 2010 10:28 AM (8y9MW)

3 This is ultimate cover for the VAT roll-out.  VAT is the brass ring for the progressives. 

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2010 10:29 AM (LwLqV)

4 This is ultimate cover for the VAT roll-out.  VAT is the brass ring for the progressives.

I'm really not sure that it is.  Unless they go through very extreme contortions, a VAT really does hit the poor disproportionately hard.  Enter a Republican ad campaign: "We'll repeal the VAT." 

If they were good (but they're the GOP so they're not) they could even imply a full return to the Government Cheese while really planning to implement a Flat Tax.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 24, 2010 10:34 AM (8y9MW)

5 Here's a better question - when will Obama won't be AWOL on these type of issues, given that the Dems no longer have absolute control of Congress?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 24, 2010 10:34 AM (9hSKh)

6 Presidentin' is hard and shit.

Posted by: SJR2 at November 24, 2010 10:34 AM (oCbCP)

7 I agree the VAT will be a topic this lame duck session. Ace is pictured on Drudge right now...do you think he will be able to find a nice lady to wash that marker off? I think he must have been up to NH, our vodka supply looked low at the liquor store today....unless it was 27 per bottle and up...Valurite was gone baby gone...

Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at November 24, 2010 10:34 AM (Ki7fm)

8 The proposal has many worthwhile elements. For example, federal payroll would be cut by 10%. The spending cuts in the plan amount to twice the debt/deficit reduction as do the tax increases.

I don't think this is anywhere near enough. The government has been on a hiring orgy since at least after the 2006 election.

I'd like to see a budget reduction for all federal departments to at least 2006 levels.

The private sector has been hemorrhaging jobs and has had few raises since the Democrats took congress - its time for federal employees to share the pain.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2010 10:36 AM (7BU4a)

9 I think they should go back to promoting a better life style for the poor by providing nutrious food, like cheese instead of handing them cash cards... up here in NE the peeps can buy lottery tickets and liquor with their benefit cash card. God only know what their children eat while they are off to spend the card every month.

Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at November 24, 2010 10:37 AM (Ki7fm)

10 The spending cuts in the plan amount to twice the debt/deficit reduction as do the tax increases.

BFS, that panel was a joke. 2/3 Democrat commies and 1/3 RINOs. There was never any intent to do anything but raise taxes. Any spending cuts that were to be made would be cosmetic bullshit that would be done at "some time down the road".

That is the way the lying commiecrats always work.

Here is what needs to happen:

1. Fire the panel
2. Write a budget for next year that starts at the last Republican congress year. That was a deficit but it was less than 25% of the deficit we are running now.
3. Every department in the gov then cuts their budget to match what it was then.
4. Write the next budget for the following year. This time in individuyal department budgets. In this one entire departments get the ax. This at the same time that departments that are kep are maintained at that 2007 budget level.
5. Keep doing that until the budget is balanced.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2010 10:37 AM (e4sSD)

11 Plus there would be the added benefit of crack dealers swapping cheese for drugs....and liquor for bread, fruit and veggies... the peeps will always make a little room for drug purchase in their food budget, but at least there would be some real food floating around the ghetto instead of pringles... Can you tell I was a public health nurse in Philly for 5 years?

Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at November 24, 2010 10:41 AM (Ki7fm)

12 Oh, and Obama will never "show leadership" on deficit/debt reduction.

Since he came to Washington in 2006 the deficit has gone from $450B to $1.5T.

The guy has already added to the debt more then 3x the cost of the WoT, which, IIRC, formerly incensed the left...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2010 10:42 AM (7BU4a)

13

This Panel is also looking at the Military Retirement system... they want to vest at 10 years, but not allow you any payments until 60... and allow you to do the Government Fed employee system, but not match any funds...

They are also looking at Military Retired Health Insurance... trying to save money...

Notice how this has not made any papers, or websites, outside of a few Military places?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 24, 2010 10:42 AM (AdK6a)

14 Will Obama Again be AWOL?

Please God.

Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 24, 2010 10:42 AM (mAm+G)

15 OT: Let's play: Guess that Political Affiliation!

Today's Contestant:
Vet, 77, Busted For Obama Death Threat
Wanted to shoot president for “what he has done to this country”

So... Liberal or Conservative.
...
...
...
Dingdingding!
If you said "Liberal" please collect your prize!

"...told a nurse that he “was thinking of traveling to Washington, DC, to shoot the President (Obama) because he is not doing enough to help African Americans,”"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 24, 2010 10:44 AM (8y9MW)

16

One thing about this whole "Panel"...

Don't we pay CONGRES to do this Job?  Are there not huge Staffs?  and the CBO?  Who are the ones who are supposed to be doing the BUDGET?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 24, 2010 10:44 AM (AdK6a)

17 The Dems are all about planting timebombs in the budget and ignoring what will come of it in the future, hoping that if they go off, the Republicans will get the blame.  The lame duck Iowa governor is instituting raises for unionized AFSCME state employees.  And I think because the Dems still hold one legislative house, it will stick.

You can't ever trust Democrats.  You can't ever vote for them.  They can't be trusted, they don't care if it all goes to hell.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 24, 2010 10:44 AM (T0NGe)

18 Present!

Posted by: O'Bammy at November 24, 2010 10:47 AM (GGEUV)

19 Present!  Absent!

Posted by: O'Bammy at November 24, 2010 02:47 PM (GGEUV)

FTFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 24, 2010 10:48 AM (8y9MW)

20 Obama is in a tough spot because it's HIS commission, he appointed it, but the libtard base hates its report because it doesn't propose confiscating the wealth of the rich.  So, what's a guy like Obama to do?  Punt!  Isn't there some place he can go play golf or something?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2010 10:49 AM (PaSAU)

21 Romeo13, I think they're set up in the Debt Commission because they can't burn politically.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 24, 2010 10:49 AM (GgQ/l)

22 King Barry's modis operandi on anything like this through his life has been to let a committee do all the negotiation and work while he's out doing deep thinking or something on the golf course. He then shows up at the end and grabs the glory and tells the world what an awesome job he did.

That was his M.O. at Harvard Law Review, the Illionois State Senate, the US Senate, and his 22 months in the Oval Office

Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2010 10:54 AM (vdfwz)

23 21 Romeo13, I think they're set up in the Debt Commission because they can't burn politically.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 24, 2010 02:49 PM (GgQ/l)

Yeah... I could not figure out why the Repubs did not make a HUGE deal about Congress not doing ANY of the Budget Bills this year... It should have been a HUGE election issue...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 24, 2010 10:55 AM (AdK6a)

24 He won't lead there but sure as heck has something to say about how the Miami Heat are not getting it done. Friggin ESPN ticker has some quote on the Heat scrolling across like this: "Obama: The Heat blah, blah, blah".

Unbelievable.

Posted by: GW McLintock at November 24, 2010 10:57 AM (eAP/l)

25 Posted by: Romeo13 at November 24, 2010 02:55 PM (AdK6a)

In many ways, it should have been THE election issue.  Congress failed to do its single most important constitutional duty: Provide a budget for the next year.

I personally think that every Democrat should have lost their office just for that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 24, 2010 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

26

King Barry's modis operandi on anything like this through his life has been to let a committee do all the negotiation and work while he's out doing deep thinking or something on the golf course. He then shows up at the end and grabs the glory and tells the world what an awesome job he did.

Hey!  Deep thinkers have to spend a lot of time on the links.  So they can get their job done.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 24, 2010 11:01 AM (GgQ/l)

27 The Debt Commission proposals amount to raising taxes, which will reduce revenue, and increase spending to 21 or 22% of GDP.  It's full of FAIL.

Posted by: John Galt at November 24, 2010 11:26 AM (F/4zf)

28 Where's the gubberment cheese?

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2010 11:29 AM (GtDKF)

29

This Panel is also looking at the Military Retirement system... they want to vest at 10 years, but not allow you any payments until 60... and allow you to do the Government Fed employee system, but not match any funds...

They are also looking at Military Retired Health Insurance... trying to save money...

Notice how this has not made any papers, or websites, outside of a few Military places?

I fully expect them to try and kill the military retirement system completely. 

Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2010 11:50 AM (yY28H)

30

I fully expect them to try and kill the military retirement system completely. 

Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2010 03:50 PM (yY28H)

Don't know if they can pull that off... but the "plan" is to make it so you can't collect ANY of it until you hit at least 60 years of age... and I'm sure they will then raise the age after that...

Funny how they are going after MILTARY retirement, yet there have been NO reports anywhere about looking at the rest of the Government employees salaries, or retirement.... guess the military is out of luck because they don't have a Union...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 24, 2010 11:55 AM (AdK6a)

31 Every time the commies get full power the first thing they try to do is destroy the military. It has been that way in every commie adm since JFK.

What rips my ass is how any American with even a smidgen of a brain can ever vote for a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2010 12:07 PM (e4sSD)

32 Obama, the Abandoner in Chief. The first president to walk out on his country.


Posted by: TSAsshole at November 24, 2010 12:41 PM (0ZbVu)

33 How about we add a commie tax surcharge the pensions of all bailed out union thugs?

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 24, 2010 01:00 PM (QxSug)

34 Seriously, because at a certain point, you've made enough money, so any union thug pension that was bailed out should get hit with 50% tax after $25K a year of retirement income. 90% after $40K, 98% after $100K

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 24, 2010 01:01 PM (QxSug)

35 This behavior of Obama's was foreshadowed during the campaign... I know Palin/McCain took some heat for it, but recall when they went down to the gulf area right after Gustav? It was take-charge symbolism. Meanwhile Obama just slinked off and did some quiet campaigning on the opposite side of the country. It's the f'n executive branch. You are supposed to lead.

Posted by: A.G. at November 24, 2010 01:23 PM (aLf2F)

36 Oh, and IIRC, his campaign travel took him farther away from the disaster area.

Posted by: A.G. at November 24, 2010 01:26 PM (aLf2F)

37

Funny how they are going after MILTARY retirement, yet there have been NO reports anywhere about looking at the rest of the Government employees salaries, or retirement....

 

That's probably because they did a huge overhaul of the federal retirement system about 20 years ago.  Of course that means 15-20 years before you see the impact of that, since everyone retiring now is still on the old CSRS system, as opposed to the more recent FERS, which is basically a 401K.

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