September 13, 2010
— Gabriel Malor We're a little less than a day away from another round of primaries. Of course, the one that's caught all our attention and become a somewhat greater symbol than would ordinarily be the case (Really? Delaware?) is Castle vs. O'Donnell.
For some, the race is about pragmatism: "do we take a sure thing in a blue state and take back the Senate?" We've been arguing a lot of that here at the HQ. For some, the race is about sending a message: "what kind of GOP do we want to be a part of?"
Those are absolutely appropriate questions to be asking in a primary. That's the whole point. But tomorrow evening the primary will be over. And, no matter who wins, Republicans will have to pull together to keep this senate seat out of Democratic hands.
Some have already stated that they won't do that; that they'd rather a Democrat win the seat than Mike Castle. That's exactly the sort of self-induced injury the GOP doesn't need. (Not to mention, the O'Donnell supporters are going to be pretty butt-hurt if they receive anything less than full-throated support from the former Castle supporters were she to become our candidate.)
Tomorrow, the GOP picks a candidate and the questions change. After tomorrow, it's not about pragmatism or purity. The only questions that matter: "do you vote for an (R) or do you vote for a (D) or do you sit out and let the (D) win?" No names in there. It doesn't really matter who the (R) is or who the (D) is.
And it doesn't really matter which side of the primary battle lines you were on. Or, it shouldn't. But I would excuse a little venom in some cases. The loudest mouths on the O'Donnell side engage in so many personal attacks, it's not clear to me that they even care what happens after the primary. And the targets of their attacks can probably be excused for saying "to hell with it."
This morning, Mark Levin, in the space of less than 300 words, calls Patterico "jackass", "idiot", "the ass", and "loser with a keyboard, part of the circle nerds." He also attacks Patterico's competency to do his job -- his real job, not his blogging hobby. With personal attacks like that, I wouldn't be surprised if Patterico declined to lend his support to Levin's candidates in this race or any other in the future. And that's another self-induced injury that the GOP doesn't really need.
By the way, here's the post Levin is "responding" to by calling Patterico names and impugning his livelihood. Please read it. You'll note a remarkable lack of namecalling.
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Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2010 07:07 AM (ddtXm)
Posted by: Mippilis at September 13, 2010 07:09 AM (VWhPF)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 07:10 AM (R2fpr)
Oh Boo Hoo!
My new Twitter campaign is gonna make all you repugs cry. You'll be singing my song and tapping yo foot and I'll laughing it up and high fiving my aunt Nancy. That's right, you heard me, my aunt Nancy Pelosi. Maybe you've heard of her? Oh yeah, we're gonna do this damn thing!
Posted by: Justin Bieber at September 13, 2010 07:12 AM (YYkW9)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 11:10 AM (R2fpr)
Generally speaking, being a conservative in Delaware is a cause for butt hurt.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 13, 2010 07:16 AM (tOCL6)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2010 07:17 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Kerry's iPhone at September 13, 2010 07:18 AM (LF/1g)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 11:10 AM (R2fpr)
Generally speaking, being a conservative in Delaware is a cause for butt hurt.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes
Word. We should reincorporate the Chicken TM here.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 07:18 AM (R2fpr)
OK, whatever happened to voting for the primary candidate who best represented us, but then pulling together for the primary winner even if he wasn't our choice?
The problem with the "Castle because he's electable" rationale is that it saddles us with McLamey McMavericks who then stab us in the back.
*Of Course* we should all support Castle should he win the primary.
But if we can't express dissent and who we really favor in the primary, when can we?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 07:19 AM (ujg0T)
Control of the Senate is much, much more important than any one Senator's voting record.
Maybe she can win, I don't know. But still.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 13, 2010 07:24 AM (SCcgT)
You mean like the House race?
BTW, Urquart or Rollins? Not that it matters, since Carney will win because the Delaware Republican Party is currently experiencing heavy chafing from all those broken bones from what's left of a very well-worn chicken.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 13, 2010 07:24 AM (tOCL6)
Posted by: Chris R at September 13, 2010 07:27 AM (AO4qz)
Well, in Levin's defense, Patterico is pretty much a buttmunch about 90% of the time. No offense to any buttmunches reading this, of course.
Exactly. See Goldstein, Jeff.
Levin is blunt, but he has a point.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 07:27 AM (ujg0T)
Then tell your cobloggers to can the scorched earth character stuff on O'D.
Here's the thing: none of you are going to sway the primary now.
Posted by: someone at September 13, 2010 07:28 AM (DfAwB)
It's a catch-22: Yes, primaries are most peoples' best opportunity to express their views about a party's candidates. However, if that candidate is unlikely to win the general, it makes every part of conservative governance a little harder (for procedural votes, etc).
The problem with all of this is that we're starting to sound like Democratic Underground, with "the hootin' and the hollerin', back and forth with the arguing." Whatever happened to, "Just win, baby."?
Posted by: Mippilis at September 13, 2010 07:28 AM (VWhPF)
"Republicans will have to pull together to keep this senate seat out of Democratic hands"
You are completely blind to your hypocrisy.
O'D the loon, the lying ne'er-do-well, cannot be relied on and is unqualified for office. The Tea Party has never represented themselves as team players with the GOP at quarterback, coach and owner.
Your position is the same you started with. 'I keep all the influence I have come-what-may".
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 13, 2010 07:29 AM (/g2vP)
Posted by: Chris R at September 13, 2010 07:29 AM (AO4qz)
Posted by: slumming white liberal at September 13, 2010 07:29 AM (FwaRQ)
Posted by: Kerry's iPhone at September 13, 2010 11:18 AM (LF/1g)
Yeah I think it's pretty funny that Gabe expects me to be sympathetic to Patterico's bruised ego. Anybody that's listened to Mark realizes that he can be an uncompromising abrasive prick at times; kind of like this place.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 13, 2010 07:31 AM (aIWP/)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 13, 2010 07:31 AM (eNxMU)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 13, 2010 07:31 AM (FwaRQ)
They either stay in Kent or Sussex counties and never get elected to any position beyond the State House or Senate, or they move someplace more amenable, like Texas.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 13, 2010 07:32 AM (tOCL6)
And, no matter who wins, Republicans will have to pull together to keep this senate seat out of Democratic hands.
except the losing RINO, of course, who always retain the right to rejoin their comrades in the socialist party should they lose the primary that was supposed to be a "done deal" for them.
Posted by: louis tully at September 13, 2010 07:33 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: Mippilis at September 13, 2010 07:34 AM (VWhPF)
The rhetoric is a thousand times louder in the Castle supporters. And all because someone dares to support a person based on principle and not power.
And for the record, I really don't care who wins. If Castle does, then our chances of taking the senate will be higher (although I honestly don't think it would make a speck of difference as long we don't have the presidency).
If O'Donnel wins, I think it would be the final nail in the coffin for the establishment power-hungry RINO's. They are not our leaders. They are our tyrants.
Posted by: JC at September 13, 2010 07:36 AM (pvRt/)
Posted by: Richard Gere at September 13, 2010 07:36 AM (VWhPF)
13 If Castle does not win, the GOP is going to need a Night Of The Long Knives soon. SOME (not all) Tea Partiers are full of themselves and think they can do more than they can. An O'Donnell victory here is a bridge too far and it cannot go unanswered.
Maybe they could just win a primary once in a while. For people whose only claim to fame is being electable, RINOs sure do manage to screw up and lose a lot of "in the bag" elections.
Posted by: louis tully at September 13, 2010 07:36 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: JC at September 13, 2010 07:38 AM (pvRt/)
Shut up aleady Levin. You used to have appeal. Now you're just more trouble than you're worth.
29 Levin. Shark. Some jumping required.
Posted by: The Fonz at September 13, 2010 11:38 AM (1T6Sr)
Win!
Posted by: WillOTP at September 13, 2010 07:40 AM (lHn6+)
This blogging thing sure is easy.
Posted by: Jahiliyya at September 13, 2010 07:40 AM (D3MNp)
We already know enough about Kirk and Castle to know that they are not going to be the next Crist or Specter. And, if they forsake conservatism to get re-elected in six years, then they can be primaried. But for today, with Barack Obama in the WH, they can win in states where Republicans seemed doomed for a generation. They are not so liberal that their likelihood of victory does not deserve our support.
Posted by: Richard Gere at September 13, 2010 07:42 AM (VWhPF)
Uh, no, not "at this point." After the primary is over it's about beating Democrats.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 13, 2010 07:45 AM (1TvCg)
And mind you I've been more in the Ace/Geraghty camp on this issue. I think O'Donnell could be a disaster of a general election candidate. I disagree with some of what Levin has been saying, but I ain't gonna criticize him for attacking Frey.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at September 13, 2010 07:45 AM (MVcnm)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 13, 2010 07:46 AM (INEzN)
Posted by: JCELEPHANT at September 13, 2010 07:47 AM (BWABm)
Every time I hear his name I'll think of Kos and Michael Moore because that's the level of logic he's displayed in his arguments here and in his ad homs.
Just the pure number of complete lies and false claims in his post about powerline should strip him of any credibility. The fact that Riehl tries to gloss over that and say, hey don't worry if he's calling you a goatfucker, he's done good stuff before is bullshit. All of sudden, how much you think a person has done for a movement should give them a free pass on lie and impugning others?
20$ says Riehl is being paying by O'Donnell. Considering his prices, I might be able to buy him off with an additional 20.
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at September 13, 2010 07:48 AM (OKbxw)
Castle is better than a Dem. I wouldn't argue anything to the contrary. Even a bad RINO-y R is still an R, and majority party status counts BIG TIME.
That being said, I'm a fan of making the RINOs squeal, and letting them know there is a price for being a RINO on big ticket votes. Maybe a much tougher than expected primary can be a warning to Castle, maybe not.
Even still, O'Donnell worries me. The stories I hear sound bad, and there has been nothing to explain it away. She really might just be an unelectable nutbar. I'd rather the RINO be the unelectable nutbar, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Real life is complicated like that.
Posted by: shillelagh at September 13, 2010 07:49 AM (Oz4Bj)
Yeah because repeated gay insinuations, tin foil hat paranoia and frivolous lawsuits aren't natural conduits to such accusations. Enjoy making this same argument to the MSM and dem dirt diggers.
Enjoy prepetual minorities you hard headed dumbfucks.
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at September 13, 2010 07:50 AM (OKbxw)
Posted by: Richard Gere at September 13, 2010 07:52 AM (VWhPF)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at September 13, 2010 07:53 AM (MVcnm)
Posted by: Filly at September 13, 2010 08:12 AM (Xcm+S)
That's not a very original observation, is it?
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 13, 2010 08:17 AM (bxiXv)
He's letting Patterico off a bit lightly.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 13, 2010 08:20 AM (ZJ/un)
Your democrat overlords thank you for doing their work for them:
http://tinyurl.com/2dy5pxx
Other claims attribute to her the assertion that Castle supporters broke into her house in 2008, but O'Donnell never said that, she simply said in response to a question that she didn't know who did it. This is the problem I have with the "nuts" defense; spin replaces facts, and once the image of the candidate is created in the public mind, there is no way to undo it.
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Posted by: Dave C at September 13, 2010 08:20 AM (4uhuW)
What he said.
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at September 13, 2010 08:23 AM (c4kiT)
She was a scion of a corrupt family, beckoning for more corruption. She deserved the boot in the teeth, at the least.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 13, 2010 08:24 AM (ZJ/un)
They either stay in Kent or Sussex counties and never get elected to any position beyond the State House or Senate, or they move someplace more amenable, like Texas.
Hey - I resemble that remark! I lived in Dover (on and of base) until Aug. '82 when I moved to Texas. Ironically, I currently live in one of the blue areas that infect our state while enjoying my second year of 'funemployment'. : /
As for the Delaware race: History called and left a message...are you going to listen? ; )
Posted by: goozer at September 13, 2010 08:25 AM (SliNl)
Levin is upset that Palin is taking away his thunder with the Miller endorsement ...
This is about power and influence ... Levin wants to be a Tea Party leader ... and thinks pushing a longshot is the way to gain that status ...
funny thing is, the Tea Party doesn't want a leader ...
Posted by: Jeff at September 13, 2010 08:26 AM (A3tpD)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 08:27 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 08:28 AM (ujg0T)
Hi Delaware. Enjoy your 15 minutes, it's almost up.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 13, 2010 08:38 AM (7FgWm)
Posted by: ATaLien at September 13, 2010 09:02 AM (SkRi5)
To me it sounds like both candidates are losers. O'donnell may or may not be a paranoid with delusions of grandeur, and Castle is a spineless RINO who wouldn't dare risk a fight against Biden when he had the chance. So screw 'em both.
Posted by: Iblis at September 13, 2010 09:04 AM (hLGVM)
Posted by: Conservative Phantom at September 13, 2010 09:16 AM (rPEr/)
Bwahahahahhaha...You ALL fell for it.
Our tiny state of Delaware becomes the MOSTEST important state. As it should be, after all, we are The First State.
Posted by: always right at September 13, 2010 09:20 AM (Wqfrr)
Levin is blunt, but he has a point.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 11:27 AM (ujg0T)
Wow, very deep thinking there.
/kidding I am a Levin fan
Posted by: always right at September 13, 2010 09:25 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: Chris R at September 13, 2010 11:29 AM (AO4qz)
Um, maybe because we have a job here? You want us to quit Delaware, move else and get on gubmit tits?
Posted by: always right at September 13, 2010 09:29 AM (Wqfrr)
Fuck Patrick Frey, Mark went easy on him. He's a typical career prosecutor who slings shit and doesnt care who it hits as long as he wins. He doesnt care about right or wrong.
As for O'Donnell being crazy, check out Legal Insurrection. He has a great post on that kind of attack being used against women and a great point about if she is so crazy why did the party run her against Biden a couple of years ago?
Posted by: chas at September 13, 2010 09:52 AM (TKF1Y)
And Christine is a nut or a slut or Sarah Palin; whatever gets me party invites in DC
Posted by: Lincoln Chaffee at September 13, 2010 10:15 AM (RWMjG)
After she spread gay rumors about her married opponent who has consistently won races, I used the word "teabagger" -- not directed at someone, just saying that these people are party crashers and rude to boot -- and her supporters had a total fucking meltdown. After all their talk of "feces" "vomit" "crack whore" etc. pretty vulgar bunch.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 10:43 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Lincoln Chaffee at September 13, 2010 02:15 PM (RWMjG)
When Sarah Palin said a pervert was hiding in her bushes, everyone knew his name, because she filed a report. She wasn't explaining why this was her ultra secret home paid for by campaign funds, either.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 10:45 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: curious at September 13, 2010 10:45 AM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at September 13, 2010 10:47 AM (p302b)
No, right of center. Give credit where it's due. The Democrats have moved to the left, and they have both chambers and the White House.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 10:51 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: exceller at September 13, 2010 10:58 AM (jx2Td)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 11:09 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at September 13, 2010 11:23 AM (LyMJG)
Were you ever part of the Republican party? Because it seems you're coming to the party late with no constructive input or curiosity about the candidates you're pushing, and you're out to collect scalps for people who have not done anything meriting excommunication and have been party loyalists for years. Specter and Crist deserved to go. Murkowski had an acceptable challenger. It makes no sense to go after Lazio or Castle, except it looks like Democrats are running crackpots with slight records to keep their seats.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 12:17 PM (mHQ7T)
In NY, the preferred Republican candidate has the local Conservative Party's approval, but still people are talking about crazy-ass Paladino, a rich Buffalo developer who has only given to Democrats over the past decade.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 12:20 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Moi at September 13, 2010 12:27 PM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: Moi at September 13, 2010 12:30 PM (Ez4Ql)
Subotai Bahadur
Always respect your view point.
Haven't seen you on BC comment threads lately, but lately I've been too busy involved with DE primary anyway.
Posted by: always right at September 13, 2010 12:55 PM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at September 13, 2010 01:05 PM (LyMJG)
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at September 13, 2010 01:28 PM (LyMJG)
Levin has been descending into Michael Savage territory for a little while now.
I could almost forgive the Tea Party for giving us Angle and letting "negro dialect" Dingy Harry stay in the Senate another 6 years, but if they hand us O'Donnell they can go to hell. Just a bunch of childish whiners raging at "the establishment", whoever the fuck that is, and demanding the Federal government go back to its scope and influence around the time of, say, the Whiskey Rebellion.
Posted by: Paul at September 13, 2010 01:32 PM (DsHk0)
80. Subotai Bahadur at September 13, 2010 05:28 PM (LyMJG)
Good to hear from you, and your improved health. Looking forward to your thoughts.
Posted by: always right at September 13, 2010 01:44 PM (Wqfrr)
Wow, I just read this, just now.
This is a phenominally idiotic post, Gabe.
Be more passive aggressive next time?
I was responding to a direct threat in #13 to have the Republican Party commit a "Night of the Long Knives" on the TEA Party.
Hitler knocked off Rohm as the last step to securing his own dictatership and complete power within the government (winning the support of the military to secceed Hindenburg as President while still Prime Minister).
1) that kind of thing doesn't work figuratively. You have to actually wack everyone. Else, they tend to not cooperate and play figurative-dead but argue back and keep insisting that they're not dead, and not mortally wounded, but in fact getting better, and truth be told feeling quite well now.
2) If the GOP tried something like that now, they'd implode their own last hope with it. It would be like if Hitler killed all the SA leadership on the night of the Beer Hall Putsch.
Which... sounds like something republicans might do, actually.
Even money.
Posted by: Entropy at September 13, 2010 02:26 PM (eL+YD)
Just a bunch of childish whiners raging at "the establishment", whoever the fuck that is, and demanding the Federal government go back to its scope and influence around the time of, say, the Whiskey Rebellion.
Better dead than red, pinko.
Posted by: Entropy at September 13, 2010 02:31 PM (eL+YD)
I have no idea if she would be a good senator, but she would not need to be very good at all to be better than a 72-year-old nest-feathering statist career congressman.
A related aside: if the GOP gains a majority in congress that behaves like the last GOP majority did, they are sunk. In that case we would (hopefully) see a third-party surge that might keep the Democrats in power as it coalesces. So why tempt the old liars, crooks and hypocrites who run the party by sending more RINOs to Washington?
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