April 21, 2010
— Gabriel Malor That's Chris Matthews' latest description of the Tea Party-flavored GOP kicking Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter to the curb. Also McCain, but that seems more like wishful thinking...
CHRIS MATTHEWS TEASER AT TOP OF SHOW: Also Republican purge. Arlen Specter is out. John McCain, Charlie Crist and Robert Bennett are all being threatened on the right. Is this anyway to run a party or run it into the ground?...
MATTHEWS: Coming up what happens to Republicans who don't march to the right wing tune? Well they're getting purged. This is Stalinesque, this stuff.
Of course, "sophisticated" people aren't going to have anything to do with that:
MATTHEWS: Well I think watching this -- like all of us I study this thing – it seems like one of the reasons that the Democrats got 90 percent of the Jewish vote, for example, last time around for Barack Obama is not so much love of him or knowledge of him. It was fear of this theocratic, gun-toting party that begins to look more and more right wing, more and more Sarah Palin than it did two years ago. If this party, the Republicans, keep going over to Palin-ism and gun-toters and 2nd Amendment types, I think a lot of people in the suburbs, sophisticated people of all backgrounds, are gonna say, "That's not my party."
Wrong on both facts and analogy. First, the Tea Partiers are, according to polls slightly more educated that the average American and slightly wealthier too. Plenty "sophisticated."
As for the "gun-toters" comment, gun control has been in retreat in this country since the primaries in 2000, when voters on both the Left and the Right made clear that candidates coming out against the Second Amendment aren't going anywhere.
The analogy is also inapt unless Rubio is planning to put a bullet in the back of Crist's head. And the heads of Crist's followers. And pretty much anyone who disagrees with that too.
Matthews' Stalin call-out is why Godwin's Law was coined. Matthews is working the reductio ad Hitlerum with Stalin substituted for Hitler. Either way, same outcome: "You're like a murderous cretin who's so far on the other side of the moral event horizon he's irretrievably and indisputably bad. So shut up."
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Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 21, 2010 05:30 AM (ucxC/)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 21, 2010 05:32 AM (ucxC/)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 21, 2010 05:33 AM (mR7mk)
In Matthew's insane world elections are purges.
And Chrissy, how about all those actual Democratic purges of Democratic candidates that actually win primaries and then are booted off the ticket when they become too "toxic"?
Posted by: Ken at April 21, 2010 05:35 AM (Bs34i)
"Stalin", it's the new "Hitler". What kills me is that this seems to be the word for the day -- don't these people ever do anything seperately?
Wait, I think I can answer that one myself.
Posted by: unknown jane at April 21, 2010 05:35 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Idiot Sports Reporter at April 21, 2010 05:35 AM (wuv1c)
I believe and will continue to believe that Chris Matthews is in fact the Great Pumpkin from the Peanuts Halloween episode until someone proves otherwise.
Also, i can't believe this guy used to sub for Rush Limbaugh
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 05:36 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: mitchellvii@yahoo.com at April 21, 2010 05:36 AM (kEBiX)
Fuck you, Matthews. FUCK YOU.
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 21, 2010 05:37 AM (rOd1g)
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 05:38 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: THE SAVE GUAM PROJECT at April 21, 2010 05:38 AM (ngD76)
Also the largest part of university faculty.
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 21, 2010 05:39 AM (rOd1g)
Rotflmao - right. Ok, well you just keep worrying about us over there Chrissy, but we'll be just fine, particularly if we stop listening to people like you. I'm sure your all for keeping all these RINO's on board, after all, you like having the choice be between Socialism and Socialism-Lite, but speaking for myself personally and apparently a lot of other people as well, we'd like to take this country down another road.
So thanks Chris, but no thanks. If you'd like to throw a big welcoming party to these Rino's and invite them over to the Democrat side feel free. But as we've already seen from the Healthcare debate, your party doesn't deal all that well with folks who won't toe the party line.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 21, 2010 05:41 AM (e8T35)
Posted by: Alan Smithee at April 21, 2010 05:41 AM (F7GbV)
Mario Cuomo's adopted son is insane.The real Stalinists are Pelosi, Waxman, Durbin,..ad nauseum.
Posted by: MIKE191 at April 21, 2010 05:41 AM (Rcgrf)
The left are in full-on crap their pants mode. Eeek - these people don't blindly worship Obama and it's really scary.
*Never mind that the Hitler regime took away all the guns before they started killing the Jews. (and that left winger fantasy) Never mind that progressives hate Israel and luuuuv the eternal death cult Palestinians and their eternal victimhood. and purging of the Jews from their lands.
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Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 05:41 AM (0fzsA)
Didn't Specter get rid of himself because (irony!) he didn't want to lose to Pat Toomey?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 21, 2010 05:42 AM (mR7mk)
Stalin was really big on saying "Peace, Democracy and Jobs" at his May Day rallies for ignorant people. Still works for people like Chavez and Obama today.
I doubt this is what pissy meant though.
Personally, I know Stalin was a lefty to be shunned. I doubt pissy understands that. Much less that it was not Abe Lincoln who formed the KKK.
Posted by: bill-tb at April 21, 2010 05:43 AM (y+QfZ)
UH , leg tingle boy, Arleen Specter IS A DEMOCRAT.
How dare the Republican party not want to commit suicide by leaving that hack liar Specter in place.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 05:43 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at April 21, 2010 05:44 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: RM at April 21, 2010 05:44 AM (1kwr2)
UH , leg tingle boy, Arleen Specter IS A DEMOCRAT.
How dare the Republican party not want to commit suicide by leaving that hack liar Specter in place.
Also, Specter left himself, he wasn't kicked out. He didn't even wait for the primary election. Leaving voluntarily doesn't equal getting kicked out.
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 05:46 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 21, 2010 05:47 AM (1Jaio)
Joe Lieberman, please pick up the red courtesy phone.
Absolutely.
I know Matthews is a clown, but I have to admit the fact he gets paid for this scares me. The truly "Stalinesque" thing here is his feigned outrage at Republicans having the gall to hold primaries that have consequences, while conveniently airbrushing the Democrats history away.
So we have Matthews who will literally say anything to excuse his Daily Hate. We have Olberman who seems like he would be thrilled to have a chance to fire up some ovens for those he declares "the worst people in the world". We have Friedman who never misses a chance to bemoan how horrible it is our government isn't a totalitarian dictatorship. We have Democrats at every level accusing Tea Partiers of violence -- while their supporters have been ratcheting up violence against Tea Partiers.
To quote a favorite book character: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 21, 2010 05:47 AM (IuKAf)
Chris said, "I think..." - this is his problem.
"Palinism?" "Stalinesque?" C'mon, Keef is more original than this.
Posted by: Fritz at April 21, 2010 05:47 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2010 05:53 AM (mtAmx)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 21, 2010 05:54 AM (ii6OS)
well, I gotta say that we are experiencing some problems with some uber right wingers here in 5th CD Virginia. These are homeschoolers who also hate gays & Jews. I didn't see the anti-Semiticism coming, though I should have since they, the Jews, obviously are not super-Christians as are these homeschoolers. (many of these people are homeschoolers--let me clarify).
these people are against our new Gov. McDonnell because he appt'd a gay to a position. they are against our Lt. Gov. because he took money from a pharm company that makes a morning-after pill.
Would/could it make better sense to focus all our energies on defeating Cong Perriello who voted for cap 'n trade & obama care & Pelosi as Speaker? you would think so.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 21, 2010 05:56 AM (bncoN)
Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2010 05:56 AM (h0rZ/)
Posted by: Vic at April 21, 2010 05:57 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 21, 2010 05:57 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: mr crowley at April 21, 2010 05:59 AM (DlXP/)
"Lord knows, there's not a whole lot of reason to take Chris Matthews seriously. But for giggles, let's look at his claim that the GOP is "Stalin-esque" because of the way Crist and McCain are having a rough time in the primaries. Now, obviously he's not talking about the GOP forcibly starving the Ukraine or anything like that. And presumably, Matthews isn't saying that the GOP has launched a series of show trials in which former party members in good standing are tortured or threatened with the murder of their families into giving false confessions (Crist: "In the Spring of 2009 I received secret payments by the running-dog Obama administration...."). So I gather he means that the GOP is purging discordant voices within the party or some such (that's the gist of the second quote from Matthews in the link above).
But even here, as Matthews dilutes the meaning of Stalin-esque to 9 parts water and 1 part 2% milk, Matthews still comes out a buffoon. Because if you take out the murder, butchery and genocide from Stalin-esque you're still left with a purge-from-above. And that is the opposite of what is happening. Arlen Specter is a careerist hack who switched parties because — as he pretty much explicitly explained — he thinks his career is more important than the will of the Republican Party. Crist, too, is afraid not of some metaphorical Commissar with a gun in his desk arbitrarily purging him, but of the voters in his own party, voters he's counted on, voters he's raised money from, voters he's lied to.
It would be Stalin-esque (again in the very watered down sense) if Michael Steele unilaterally booted Crist et al. from the party over the objections of the rank and file. Instead the rank and file are turning on the long anointed establishment candidates. This "purge" is a lot closer to what some romantics call "democracy" than what super-geniuses like Matthews calls "Stalin-esque."
Jonah G.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 06:00 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: mokimoki at April 21, 2010 06:01 AM (IrV7s)
again - because Matthews is a silly democrat hack.
"...Instead the rank and file are turning on the long anointed establishment candidates. This "purge" is a lot closer to what some romantics call "democracy" than what super-geniuses like Matthews calls "Stalin-esque."
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 06:02 AM (0fzsA)
Hey, Kratos, anything you can do to speed up the coming of the chaos?
It's only going to get worse, kids.
Posted by: SGT Dan at April 21, 2010 06:04 AM (GgXZc)
Posted by: JacksonTn at April 21, 2010 06:05 AM (0RhaJ)
When holy and precious democrats participate in democracy - no problem.
When Republicans do it? Stalinist purges!
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 06:11 AM (0fzsA)
I thought that once, before it was explained to me that Scott Brown's election in January was "the destruction of our entire political system." (explainer has worked for gov't in the form of state universities entire adult life)
The left is shithouse crazy. For real, not in the *heh* Soviet "dissenters are mentally ill" way.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 21, 2010 06:14 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: unknown jane at April 21, 2010 06:20 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: grognard at April 21, 2010 06:21 AM (v0kvW)
I'm sure someone else already said it but - was it a stalinesque purge when Lieberman was defeated in a primary? And Christ is not the incumbent, so he cannot be "purged". As far as Spector, the GOP put up with him for far too long, he should have been purged well before he was. And, again, he was not purged, he just knew he could not win his primary and so switched parties.
This really is sad commentary from a leftist. Maybe he should reflect on the history of leftism in teh world - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and more, before spouting off his nonsense.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at April 21, 2010 06:22 AM (9hB6b)
Damn, thought we were getting somewhere.
Posted by: Mippilis at April 21, 2010 06:25 AM (VWhPF)
Crissy Matthews, on the best day of his pathetic pointless existence, couldn't form a pimple on a man's ass. What a disgusting weakling retard. He is a symptom of the disease infecting this country. I would say he is worthless, but that is an understatement. He is more like a parasite on the body of society. Sucking up resources, while delivering sickness and disease in return.
Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2010 06:27 AM (OlN4e)
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Posted by: jjshaka at April 21, 2010 06:31 AM (is8XH)
I'm sure Chis can explain why that was, er, different. In the meantime, I'm sticking with it.
Posted by: DrewM. at April 21, 2010 06:33 AM (9B5OK)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 21, 2010 06:37 AM (kb0wl)
Think he could beat "the one" today?
I do.
Posted by: Kemp at April 21, 2010 06:39 AM (vSiVD)
Posted by: jimmuy at April 21, 2010 06:40 AM (xJzIj)
Chrissy M and his ilk will the first ones on the planes out of here if the civil war does erupt.
Posted by: Vic at April 21, 2010 06:41 AM (QrA9E)
Chrissy M and his ilk will the first ones on the planes out of here if the civil war does erupt.
Item # 1 on "to lay hands on" list after the civil war erupts: Stingers.
Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2010 06:44 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 21, 2010 06:46 AM (ktYjH)
If you gathered the Hardball audience all together on Guam, it wouldn't capsize.
A pool air mattress would probably be pretty safe, too.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 21, 2010 06:47 AM (B+qrE)
Didn't get his graduate degree, he just "attended" graduate school there.
Sort of like he is just "attending" attention to WTF is going on.
Another UNC LOSER!
Posted by: Kemp at April 21, 2010 06:47 AM (vSiVD)
Around 80% seems to be the norm, 'cept when, in 1980, whazzhisname clobbered Jimmy Peanuts.
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Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 21, 2010 07:11 AM (mR7mk)
It was fear of this theocratic, gun-toting party that begins to look more and more right wing, more and more Sarah Palin than it did two years ago. If this party, the Republicans, keep going over to Palin-ism and gun-toters and 2nd Amendment types, I think a lot of people in the suburbs, sophisticated people of all backgrounds, are gonna say, "That's not my party."
The Statesville (NC) Journal reports that Sarah Palin and Laura Bush will appear at the "Complete Woman Expo 2010" event. Planners intended to hold the expo in Wilkesboro, but things got a bit out of hand:
But organizers never provided an adequate plan to town and college officials for managing an anticipated crowd that grew in estimates from some 3,000 to more than 30,000 people (LINK)
Posted by: mrp at April 21, 2010 07:20 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Cincinnatus at April 21, 2010 07:50 AM (euuyg)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 21, 2010 08:03 AM (ITzbJ)
I ask, because Chris is clearly not smart enough to come up with this comparison to Stalin's purges.
So, who is/are the exec(s) pushing this sort of crap?
Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2010 08:06 AM (BqSr3)
They're Democrats, Greens, and points left.
No, I don't know who they are, but they're coastal big-city lunatics. What else would they be?
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Posted by: cackfinger at April 21, 2010 10:13 AM (TUBcJ)
Debate with the deranged is never productive. Let them be. Most people in this country are decent, and want nothing to do with deranged hate mongers. If he really bothers you, write to the advertisers. No money, no whine.
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Joe Lieberman, please pick up the red courtesy phone.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 21, 2010 05:30 AM (mR7mk)